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D-Unit
05-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Post yours!

Can someone from each team post the RB depth chart?

Cowboys:

RB Marion Barber / Felix Jones / Tashard Choice
FB Deon Anderson

eaglesfan_45
05-04-2008, 03:59 PM
Eagles-

RB- B. Westbrook, L. Booker, C. Buckhalter, T. Hunt, R. Moats
FB- J. Davis, D. Klecko, [K. Wilson], [T. Hunt]

703SKINS202
05-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Skins:

RB- Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwhright
FB- Mike Sellers, Nememiah Broughton

SeanTaylorRIP
05-07-2008, 02:37 PM
1. Brian Westbrook: The biggest homerun threat of all the backs in the league. Equally dangerous as a receiver as he is a runner.
2. Clinton Portis:The most versatile of the RB's in the conference. Tough in between the tackles, has the speed to take it outside, always finishes in the endzone. 2nd best receiving threat of the starters, and best blocker of the starters in the division. Marion Barber was the one who got all the hype and made the pro bowl over Portis, yet Portis quietly had 300 more yards and 1 more TD than Barber.
3. Marion Barber: Toughest to bring down after the hit of the 4 guys. Redzone finisher, though has never carried the full load even since college as some of the other guys. You also have to wonder about his health, the way he runs.
4. Brandon Jacobs: Similar to Barber in the difficulty to bring him down, punishing runner with surprisingly good speed in the open field. Awful receiver though, and some durability issues.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-07-2008, 02:48 PM
1. Brian Westbrook: The biggest homerun threat of all the backs in the league. Equally dangerous as a receiver as he is a runner.
2. Clinton Portis:The most versatile of the RB's in the conference. Tough in between the tackles, has the speed to take it outside, always finishes in the endzone. 2nd best receiving threat of the starters, and best blocker of the starters in the division. Marion Barber was the one who got all the hype and made the pro bowl over Portis, yet Portis quietly had 300 more yards and 1 more TD than Barber.
3. Marion Barber: Toughest to bring down after the hit of the 4 guys. Redzone finisher, though has never carried the full load even since college as some of the other guys. You also have to wonder about his health, the way he runs.
4. Brandon Jacobs: Similar to Barber in the difficulty to bring him down, punishing runner with surprisingly good speed in the open field. Awful receiver though, and some durability issues.


Jacobs will split carries now with Bradshaw. Bradshaw didn't play until the Bills game late in the season. But now that we know what he brings to the table, Jacobs won't need to carry the ball as much.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-07-2008, 02:51 PM
Jacobs will split carries now with Bradshaw. Bradshaw didn't play until the Bills game late in the season. But now that we know what he brings to the table, Jacobs won't need to carry the ball as much.

Yeah I actually like Bradshaw better for the system because he is so shifty and slippery. Jacobs delivers the punch, but Bradshaw gets the yards and can actually catch a football. Very good combination to have though. Really I think the NFC east in general, every single team is in the upper half of the league in terms of skilled positions.

LonghornsLegend
05-07-2008, 11:57 PM
Really I think the NFC east in general, every single team is in the upper half of the league in terms of skilled positions.

So true, its going to be competitive as hell, and our hardest games are always the division games, each and every one...I also think the Giants are much better with Bradshaw getting more carries, he's prone to break off a 60 yd run each time he gets the ball, you have to get those guys on the field.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-08-2008, 10:33 AM
So true, its going to be competitive as hell, and our hardest games are always the division games, each and every one...I also think the Giants are much better with Bradshaw getting more carries, he's prone to break off a 60 yd run each time he gets the ball, you have to get those guys on the field.

That was the element we were missing.. Droughns wouldn't break one, and Jacobs will wear you down, and get a good yards per carry avg, but overall not a fear or breaking a 60 or 65 yard run. He has the potential, and speed, but someone will trip him up by going at his legs or ankles. But now with Bradshaw being "tiki-esque", he has better vision, much agility, and good speed to break away and score. I would even say breaks more tackles than Jacobs.

So that would be an underrated move that alot of division rivals might over see. They will be talking about Jacobs, but forgot that during the later part of the season, and playoffs, Bradshaw was in there just as much doing his thing. In fact had it not been for his incidents at Marshall, he would have been drafted in the same round as Marion Barber or Jacobs. But Bradshaw graded high, but his off the field stuff, at a time when the commish was cracking down, caused him to drop.

As a giants fan, I'd prefer more Bradshaw. But Jacobs, Bradshaw AND Ward is a damn good trio in my opinion.

toddmlazarchick
05-08-2008, 01:48 PM
Portis

Barber

Westbrook

Jacobs/Bradshaw

skinzzfan25
05-08-2008, 01:49 PM
Portis

Barber

Westbrook

Jacobs/Bradshaw

That's not right and you know it.

LonghornsLegend
05-08-2008, 05:55 PM
That was the element we were missing.. Droughns wouldn't break one, and Jacobs will wear you down, and get a good yards per carry avg, but overall not a fear or breaking a 60 or 65 yard run. He has the potential, and speed, but someone will trip him up by going at his legs or ankles. But now with Bradshaw being "tiki-esque", he has better vision, much agility, and good speed to break away and score. I would even say breaks more tackles than Jacobs.

So that would be an underrated move that alot of division rivals might over see. They will be talking about Jacobs, but forgot that during the later part of the season, and playoffs, Bradshaw was in there just as much doing his thing. In fact had it not been for his incidents at Marshall, he would have been drafted in the same round as Marion Barber or Jacobs. But Bradshaw graded high, but his off the field stuff, at a time when the commish was cracking down, caused him to drop.

As a giants fan, I'd prefer more Bradshaw. But Jacobs, Bradshaw AND Ward is a damn good trio in my opinion.



Yea I forgot Ward was playing really well actually before he broke his leg, I'd like to think he bought himself some carries this year, I didn't really see Bradshaw until Ward went down for good...Guess all 3 guys have to be given carries, at the least it keeps guys fresh...I'd go back to using Jacobs in his role he was in when Tiki was there, when he's fresh and you need a few yards he's like Barber in that sense where he's almost a lock to get it...His injury concerns are there so it would keep his carries down, and Ward and Bradshaw could rotate series, either way I'm sure all three will get their chances.




Portis

Barber

Westbrook

Jacobs/Bradshaw


You amaze me the more you post.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-08-2008, 09:24 PM
Yea I forgot Ward was playing really well actually before he broke his leg, I'd like to think he bought himself some carries this year, I didn't really see Bradshaw until Ward went down for good...Guess all 3 guys have to be given carries, at the least it keeps guys fresh...I'd go back to using Jacobs in his role he was in when Tiki was there, when he's fresh and you need a few yards he's like Barber in that sense where he's almost a lock to get it...His injury concerns are there so it would keep his carries down, and Ward and Bradshaw could rotate series, either way I'm sure all three will get their chances.




Yup, I remember, the chicago game was a sick game for him! He played very well! I like our running back corps. It's not sexy by any means, but they will be productive, especially with the concept runs we run.

Yeah and we have Droughns and Ware as well. So those 3 plus these 2 make it 5 guys on the squad. So I am not worried about our running game at all, especially if Jacobs and them can stay healthy.



On another note, anyone else get annoyed at the fact people think our division is over rated? I personally think we have the best division in football. I don't think you guys are over rated, but I am getting annoyed at people calling us over rated. I mean if winning the superbowl gets you the highest rating, then we have it. We can't be over rated... or even under rated. We are rated at the highest level based on us winning. I hate all our teams in our division but I sure as hell respect all of them, especially against other fans knocking our divison. 11 superbowls for 3 teams in our divison is pretty damn sick in my book!

toonsterwu
05-09-2008, 10:05 AM
The best unit is probably Dallas'. Best run game is a different story. But Choice is a superb number 3, and Jones is a great balance to Barber.

eaglesalltheway
05-12-2008, 06:33 AM
Watch out for the Eagles. I'm not being a homer, but the what the Eagles have in Booker is scary. When he is lined up in formation with Westy, bad things will happen to opposing defenses. Having two RBs with WR-like ability on the field with amazing speed will not end well for defenses. In three days of his first camp with the Eagles, only one week after joining the team, made one mistake in all of those days combined. Watch out for Booker, he is a guy that will make a major impact for the Eagles right away.

amerker
05-14-2008, 12:16 AM
1.)Eagles-IMO brian westbrook is the best all around back in the league. think about what he has done behind a horrible o-line(see giants game), he can catch the ball out of the backfield, run between the tackles, you name it this guy does it
2)Dallas-i would have dallas at #1 but felix jones hasnt proven anything(though i think he will be good) The Barbarian is amazing to watch(punching/stiff-arms) and has quality backup in the inspiration that is tashard choice
3)Giants-as a cowboy fan i hate brandon jacobs but dude got game(i saw him feminize charles woodson in the playoffs).and Bradshaw was a great suprise that was fun to watch, i am very excited to see where he goes in his career
4)Redskins-I like portis but i also and he is a great player but the nfc east is stacked, he has quality backups in Coach Janky Spanky, Sheriff Gonnagetcha and, Dolemite Jenkins

eaglesalltheway
05-14-2008, 07:18 AM
I think the Skins should be at least #3 on that list. Portis is still really good, and really balanced. They have a real good backup in Ladell Betts, though he leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to blocking. Ask Giants fans, Jacobs isn't as good as some beleive him to be, though he certainly is a fine #2 option, and I do love to watch him. Bradshaw is young and coud gain the number 1 RB this year, but their #3 RB Ward is also a good option. There is a lot of competition at RB for the giants. 1-3 Rb is very much interchangeable as either Jacobs, Bradshaw, or Ward could win the #1 spot. Its funny this division, as a valid argument can be made for almost every team having the #1 RB corp, or any position for that matter. Personally, I would take the Skins RB combo over the Cowboys, but I would take Barber over Portis. That is a just my personal preference though.

eaglesalltheway
05-14-2008, 07:27 AM
Heres how I rate it
1. Eagles. Westbrook is top 3 in the league, and there is a ton of quality RBs behind him
2. Redskins. Portis is a great all-around back who is also great out of the backfield, and Betts is one fo the better backup runners in the league
3. Cowboys. Barber is a beast (actually has my favorite running style of any RB in the league) and jOnes is promising, though unproven, and Choice is a sleepr guy if you ask me. All three could see touches and all will be great in their respective roles.
4. Giants. Its wierd when the SB champs with a trio as talented and versatile as Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward is ranked at the bottom of th edivision. But neither of them can be confidently named a starter at this point. Each bring something very different and very special to the feild, but their needs to be more seen from each.
As you can tell I am someone who values experience highly. Westbrook and Portis have the most experience, and Betts has the most experience of the backups. Jones and Choice are promising, and I like both a lot, but we don't really know what we have out of them yet. The Giants don't have a true Starter and RB, and that is something that probably will be decided by the end of the year.

TheGreatEscape
05-14-2008, 08:54 AM
Westbrook
Portis
Marion the Barbarian
Ahmad Bradshaw
Brandon Jacobs
Felix Jones
Derek Ward
Laddell Betts
Lorenzo Booker

eaglesalltheway
05-14-2008, 10:01 AM
Westbrook
Portis
Marion the Barbarian
Ahmad Bradshaw
Brandon Jacobs
Felix Jones
Derek Ward
Laddell Betts
Lorenzo Booker

That looks about right, of the guys that get significant PT, that is how I would rank it. Jones is a little high, but he will be there by next year, and Booker will rise. He may not make as big of an impact in the running game, but he will be a big threat out of the backfield. I would also have Betts ahead of Ward and Jones, but like I said, Jones will develop into the spot ahead of Jacobs possibly. Booker may also develop to have a greater impact than Jacobs and Ward.

BaLLiN
05-14-2008, 06:20 PM
Honestly i think that all these teams will try to put in a dual back system with one of those backs being a little more dominant.

my rankings:

1. COWBOYS

Marion Barber/ Felix Jones- really both have a lot to prove, Barber seemed really on and off and disappeared at the end of games, he also never really carried the load. Felix is a rookie, he really fits into what they want to do and compliments Barber well. As far as potential i think this duo is probably the best.

2. EAGLES

Westbrook and these guys (Booker/Buckhalter/Hunt/Moats)
If it were just on one back alone, its for sure the eagles with Westbrook. I love the guy, he is really underrated and basically carries the team IMO. If he had a good pound it out guy, the eagles would without a doubt be top 5 in rushing in the league. One of those other guys needs to step it up.

3. NEW YORK GIANTS

Ahmad Bradshaw/ Brandon Jacobs/ Derrick Ward
I was seriously considering putting them higher, but didnt want to be a homer even though i think we deserve more credit here. Bradshaw should be our starter IMO. He has everything to be an all around back. He's not just fast, he doesnt just have good moves and vision, he also is more than decent in pass protection, he can catch, and he runs with alot of power. Im not saying i dont like a little BJ at times, but he really cant do everything we need a back to do. Jacobs really wares down defenses so playing him does benefit everyone else, but we dont need him taking most of the carries and not seeing that much productivity or points. Derrick Ward should also get some carries, he is a pretty good all around back as well.

4. REDSKINS

Clinton Portis/ Ladell Betts
Portis alone is probably the second best back in this divison, he can do it all, just needs to stay healthy and have a good passing game, so the west coast offense hopefully will do this for them. Betts isnt really amazing but he is a very good backup and could steal some carries from Portis.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 06:29 AM
^^^^^ I think the Skins should be above the Giants here, but i value experience more than you it seems. Both Portis and Betts have more experience than any Giants duo, or the trio even. The Eagles should be #1 IMO, but that is also because fo the experience. I agree that the Cowboys have more potential, but with Booker, the Eagles also have a TON of potential. The Giants also have plenty of potential. But neither of their RBs has proven that they should be above the Redskins RBs, IMO. Maybe in two or three years the Boys will be ahead of the Eagles and the Giants will be ahead of the Skins, but for now, I think the Eagles are ahead of the Boys, With the Skins in third, almost winning second over the Boys (Once again experience is a main contributor to that argument, and the Giants in 4th. In two or three years though, here is how I see it.
Boys, Eagles, Gaints, Skins.

Jughead10
05-15-2008, 07:28 AM
^^^^^ I think the Skins should be above the Giants here, but i value experience more than you it seems. Both Portis and Betts have more experience than any Giants duo, or the trio even. The Eagles should be #1 IMO, but that is also because fo the experience. I agree that the Cowboys have more potential, but with Booker, the Eagles also have a TON of potential. The Giants also have plenty of potential. But neither of their RBs has proven that they should be above the Redskins RBs, IMO. Maybe in two or three years the Boys will be ahead of the Eagles and the Giants will be ahead of the Skins, but for now, I think the Eagles are ahead of the Boys, With the Skins in third, almost winning second over the Boys (Once again experience is a main contributor to that argument, and the Giants in 4th. In two or three years though, here is how I see it.
Boys, Eagles, Gaints, Skins.

At this point I don't really think experience matters unless you are a first or second year player. However I think the Giants RBs gained a lot of experience in the playoffs this past year.

As a rushing attack as whole, let's not forget that the Cowboys had the worst run game out of the entire NFC East last year. The Giants had the best and were top 5 in the NFL. Unless we somehow pass even more than we did last year, I have no reason to think we won't be around where we were last year.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 07:36 AM
At this point I don't really think experience matters unless you are a first or second year player. However I think the Giants RBs gained a lot of experience in the playoffs this past year.

As a rushing attack as whole, let's not forget that the Cowboys had the worst run game out of the entire NFC East last year. The Giants had the best and were top 5 in the NFL. Unless we somehow pass even more than we did last year, I have no reason to think we won't be around where we were last year.

Neither Ward nor Bradshow have had two years of NFL experience, and because of that, it is a factor. The same goes with Tashard Choice and Felix Jones. Lorenzo Booker is also a second year player. All of those guys fit your criteria of experience (or lack there of). There are different types of experience. Jacobs and Barber don't have much Starting experience either. Sure they've been around for a bit longer, but neither are seasoned veterans, and neither have been starting on a consistent basis. There are different types of experience, and there is lot of gaps in terms of experience in those guys.

Jughead10
05-15-2008, 07:45 AM
Neither Ward nor Bradshow have had two years of NFL experience, and because of that, it is a factor. The same goes with Tashard Choice and Felix Jones. Lorenzo Booker is also a second year player. All of those guys fit your criteria of experience (or lack there of). There are different types of experience. Jacobs and Barber don't have much Starting experience either. Sure they've been around for a bit longer, but neither are seasoned veterans, and neither have been starting on a consistent basis. There are different types of experience, and there is lot of gaps in terms of experience in those guys.

I just think RB is the position of least concern when it comes to experience. RBs can come in as rookies and contribute on winning teams without a hitch. The only real concern when it comes to experience is blitz pick up.

But I'm off the thought that RBs are extremely overrated anyway. Give me a great line and just plug some average guys back there. The Giants don't have any superstars but every guy they plugged back there contributed at a very high level. All had very great YPC.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 12:07 PM
RB is one of the positions that experience is less of a factor, but it still is, just like you said. My argument against the Boys and Giants RBs has to do with a collective lack of experience. All three of the Giants main RBs (I'm counting Droughns out of it) lack a true amount of experience. Jacobs has a few seasons under his belt, but none of those season he started. Both Bradshaw and Ward have less than three years of experience, in which neither were the main guy. I like Jacobs, and I like Bradshaw, but experience always helps in any situation. In the Cowboys instance, Barber has been around for a while, but has not carried the load on a consistent basis. Can he carry the load? I THINK he could, but I just don't know, and no one does right now. The same can be said about either of the Giants RBs. Felix Jones is a nice pcikup for the Cowboys, but is new to the system. I THINK him and Barber will make a good thunder/lightning combo, but, once again, we don't know. We know what we are going to get out of Westbrook and Portis as long as they stay healthy, and to an extent, we know what we are going to get out of Ladell Betts, that is why I am higher on those RBs than some others perhaps may be.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-15-2008, 12:15 PM
RB is one of the positions that experience is less of a factor, but it still is, just like you said. My argument against the Boys and Giants RBs has to do with a collective lack of experience. All three of the Giants main RBs (I'm counting Droughns out of it) lack a true amount of experience. Jacobs has a few seasons under his belt, but none of those season he started. Both Bradshaw and Ward have less than three years of experience, in which neither were the main guy. I like Jacobs, and I like Bradshaw, but experience always helps in any situation. In the Cowboys instance, Barber has been around for a while, but has not carried the load on a consistent basis. Can he carry the load? I THINK he could, but I just don't know, and no one does right now. The same can be said about either of the Giants RBs. Felix Jones is a nice pcikup for the Cowboys, but is new to the system. I THINK him and Barber will make a good thunder/lightning combo, but, once again, we don't know. We know what we are going to get out of Westbrook and Portis as long as they stay healthy, and to an extent, we know what we are going to get out of Ladell Betts, that is why I am higher on those RBs than some others perhaps may be.


We lack experience in terms of years, this is true, but something has to be said about these guys maintaining their cool and playing well in the playoffs when needed, and in the superbowl. You saw how Bradshaw played in the superbowl, same with Jacobs, as well. Ward perhaps because he didn't get to play as much because of his season ending injury. But Jacobs and Bradshaw, in my opinion, have the experience of the regular season, AND when games are critical in the playoffs, and even the superbowl. I'll take that atmosphere and intensity any day over regular season games.

Jughead10
05-15-2008, 12:17 PM
We lack experience in terms of years, this is true, but something has to be said about these guys maintaining their cool and playing well in the playoffs when needed, and in the superbowl. You saw how Bradshaw played in the superbowl, same with Jacobs, as well. Ward perhaps because he didn't get to play as much because of his season ending injury. But Jacobs and Bradshaw, in my opinion, have the experience of the regular season, AND when games are critical in the playoffs, and even the superbowl. I'll take that atmosphere and intensity any day over regular season games.

If they stay healthy, which is my only concern, I fully expcet the trio to collectively lead the NFC East in rushing again. And staying healthy goes for the line too, beacuse that is really where the rushing game is won.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 12:32 PM
We lack experience in terms of years, this is true, but something has to be said about these guys maintaining their cool and playing well in the playoffs when needed, and in the superbowl. You saw how Bradshaw played in the superbowl, same with Jacobs, as well. Ward perhaps because he didn't get to play as much because of his season ending injury. But Jacobs and Bradshaw, in my opinion, have the experience of the regular season, AND when games are critical in the playoffs, and even the superbowl. I'll take that atmosphere and intensity any day over regular season games.

A lot can be said about playoff experience, and especially Superbowl experience, and there is nothing I can say that would take the fact that they do have that experience, which is vital. But with how the NFC East has been the last few years, every team has RBs who have that experience, its just a matter of how they perform during those experiences.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 12:34 PM
If they stay healthy, which is my only concern, I fully expcet the trio to collectively lead the NFC East in rushing again. And staying healthy goes for the line too, beacuse that is really where the rushing game is won.

Health always is a concern, especially with RBs, but when you have a linemen go down, it can also change a season. I agree that the having a great O-line is more important than having a great RB.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-15-2008, 12:41 PM
A lot can be said about playoff experience, and especially Superbowl experience, and there is nothing I can say that would take the fact that they do have that experience, which is vital. But with how the NFC East has been the last few years, every team has RBs who have that experience, its just a matter of how they perform during those experiences.

Ironically in the playoffs good running teams normally have to resort to throwing the ball. It's almost like all playoff teams decide that they will stop the run, and QBs are asked to win the game. This happened with Jacobs, but Bradshaw came in and consistently put up good yards per carry avgs while Jacobs slumped, which can be due to Shockey being out, and thus decreasing his yards per carry because Shockey couldn't seal the edge when we run our bread and butter play.

I am sure all RBs have playoff experience, but these were rookies who came in and were asked to play a huge factor. Do you realize with them we don't win the superbowl, and god knows what round we exit. So this goes even beyond our RBs. It's Boss, Aaron Ross, Bradshaw, Zak DeOssie, Steve Smith and others from that class who I might have missed. All of them are that much better and ahead of the curve because they all produced when the game got more intense, all the way to the highest level of intensity which is the superbowl. So experience now means very little. Look at Romo in the playoffs.. Great QB, but clearly playoffs is a different story. Now these players for us know how to handle playoff games, and preparation as you advance week by week.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 12:58 PM
The same things being said about Romo now were being said about Peyton 5 years ago. I'm not saying Romo is anywhere near Manning, but I'm sure Romo will get his chance(s) to prove himself in the big games.

NY+Giants=NYG
05-15-2008, 01:03 PM
The same things being said about Romo now were being said about Peyton 5 years ago. I'm not saying Romo is anywhere near Manning, but I'm sure Romo will get his chance(s) to prove himself in the big games.

O yeah I am not saying he won't be, I personally value postseason experience when it's successful over regular season. And when he is successful it will only help him mature and he can carry that experience with him then throughout his career.

eaglesalltheway
05-15-2008, 02:42 PM
Even losing in the postseason is more valuable experience to me than any regular season game. I think that if a team makes it all the way to the Superbowl, that team adds almost another whole regular season worth of experience.

LonghornsLegend
05-15-2008, 07:59 PM
In the Cowboys instance, Barber has been around for a while, but has not carried the load on a consistent basis. Can he carry the load? I THINK he could, but I just don't know, and no one does right now. The same can be said about either of the Giants RBs. Felix Jones is a nice pcikup for the Cowboys, but is new to the system. I THINK him and Barber will make a good thunder/lightning combo, but, once again, we don't know. We know what we are going to get out of Westbrook and Portis as long as they stay healthy, and to an extent, we know what we are going to get out of Ladell Betts, that is why I am higher on those RBs than some others perhaps may be.



I don't understand what Barber carrying the load has to do with anything, being that he won't be asked to this year...Granted, I agree with you about the unknown and its just a guess at this point how guys will play, but I wouldn't knock guys like the Giants RB for lack of experience, Jacobs was in there all year, and the rest of those guys got crucial carries all the way through the playoffs into the supebowl, how would any of those guys come back inexperienced? RB is completely different then any other position when it comes to experience and learning curve we all know that...But you have to grade these groups as a whole, Westbrook is obviously the most talented but the Giants have to be graded with all their backs a a whole, and all of them staying fresh its hard to knock that.

eaglesalltheway
05-16-2008, 06:25 AM
The Barber situation was if Jones and Choice would either get hurt or not play up to expectation, but the Giants situation is different, you are right. I didn't mena they would come back inexperienced, but even with what they have under their belt, they still don't have Westy or Portis' experience, though I have also agreed that experience is less important for a RB.

BaLLiN
05-17-2008, 06:28 PM
i do value potential more than experience, but its not just that i evaluated on. Dallas's line is good enough to keep arguably the best DL in the league (the giants) at bay, Washington's O-Line was spotty and inconsistant, Eagles O-Line isnt great but they do a more than decent job, and the giants O-Line may not be the most talented or most anything except how well they mesh together.

So Washington having the worst O-Line in my opinion lowered their rating under the giants who may not be nearly as good as Portis, but have a much better OL and could've done much better if Bradshaw got more carries and shockey wasnt injured.

Cowboys duo or possibly trio is very young, but teams will be using alot of nickel packages and opening up the run, and that OL is pretty good, so if expectations are even close, they should be on the top.

Philly has great potential. Westbrook by himself creates enough productivity to match any teams backs' yardage. But they really dont have that WR that scares you, so nickel packages are less likely. I was tempted to put them first though.

skinzzfan25
05-17-2008, 06:53 PM
So Washington having the worst O-Line in my opinion lowered their rating under the giants who may not be nearly as good as Portis, but have a much better OL and could've done much better if Bradshaw got more carries and shockey wasnt injured.


Last year, maybe...

But that was because 4/5 starters were injured at one point. Our whole right side of the line was backups and a UDFA.

Thomas and Jansen were out for the season.

This is the same line that let a nobody like Ladell Betts go for 5 straight 100 yard games in 06. When healthy, we're probably on par or slightly under the Eagles.

This year we have Stephon Heyer who was raw last year, but shut down guys like Jason Taylor and Strahan when put out on an island against them. He was solid all year till Kerney in the playoffs lol. We also got Chad Reinhart who should be a work in progress, but can play anywhere on the interior. Bugel is one of the best offensive line coaches in the ever. Without him last year, we would have won like 4 games.

eaglesalltheway
05-19-2008, 07:17 AM
i do value potential more than experience, but its not just that i evaluated on. Dallas's line is good enough to keep arguably the best DL in the league (the giants) at bay, Washington's O-Line was spotty and inconsistant, Eagles O-Line isnt great but they do a more than decent job, and the giants O-Line may not be the most talented or most anything except how well they mesh together.

So Washington having the worst O-Line in my opinion lowered their rating under the giants who may not be nearly as good as Portis, but have a much better OL and could've done much better if Bradshaw got more carries and shockey wasnt injured.

Cowboys duo or possibly trio is very young, but teams will be using alot of nickel packages and opening up the run, and that OL is pretty good, so if expectations are even close, they should be on the top.

Philly has great potential. Westbrook by himself creates enough productivity to match any teams backs' yardage. But they really dont have that WR that scares you, so nickel packages are less likely. I was tempted to put them first though.

This is the RB rankings. I know that the O-line has the biggest factor in how the running game is in terms of success. The defenses they see is also important too. But what I am doing is making all of those factors a constant, and saying in terms of talent and skill, and many other factors, which is collectively the best group of RBs. If Each set of RBs had the same line, QB, receivers, FB, defensive schmes against them, etc, that is how impressive each tandem would look in terms of rankings.

BaLLiN
05-19-2008, 04:05 PM
oh ok then

1. Eagles
2. Cowboys/Redskins
3. Giants