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Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 02:31 PM
1. Keiland Williams(Junior) :: LSU :: 5'11 223
-NFL Comparison: Jamal Lewis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imbggae8mY8

(8 second mark)
-not keeping his head on a swivel
-pad level too high
-stood up too easy due to high pad level
-if his eyes were moving he would have seen defender and gotten lower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF_6B2D5t5w

(7 second mark)
-lowered his pads to gain extra couple yards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RDeHRXdVEs

(9 second mark)
-appears to be great vision to bounce it outside, however, he made a huge mistake
(14 second mark)
- would like to see him keep accelerating here. Slowed down and allowed a hit when he should have gone untouched
(34 second mark)
-here is his huge mistake. from this angle you can see a huge seem straight up the middle that would have allowed him to run away from the defense to the endzone. Instead he chooses to bounce it and allowed the defense to pursue him down the field. Also, NFL defenses would eat him up to the outside like that just way too much speed in the NFL for him not to take it up that HUGE hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr2w06DOpyE

(11 second mark)
-great vision and ability to cut off his blockers hips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijn0Wlu5Y-0

(5-6 second mark)
-great job changing speed to defeat defenders angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-WHRKp_yo

(both runs)
-great job following his beef, staying low and leaning forward

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcUVLK4T9YI

(9 second mark)
-great job cutting off blockers hips
-great athletic ability and reactions to hurrdle his own blocker

(11 second mark)
-great leg strenght to scrugg of hit and keep accelerating

(13 second mark)
-great cutback to defeat defenses angle
-great run away speed to outrun defensive backs

2. Chris Wells(Junior) :: Ohio State :: 6'1 235
-NFL Comparison: Jamal Anderson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmuBLYYjrc

(8 second mark)
-ability to read blocks and find the seem

(10 second mark)
-nice job shaking arm tackles
-needs to accelerate better the NFL defense would have had him down within 3 yards, yes he scored, but did you see how slow he was moving and how much slower the defenders chasing him were?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzkAXaDnnzY

(27 second mark)
-good stiff arm and show of upper body strenght

(32 second mark)
-good vision and cut off blockers hips

(35 second mark)
-great showcase of power and balance

(41 second mark)
-nice read on the blocks
-nice job keeping pad level low, and great leg drive to punch it in

(45 second mark)
-great power and nice finish
-always nice to see backs falling forward

(48 second mark)
-nice job recognizing the blocking and finding the seem to the endzone

(56 second mark)
-nice job breaking arm tackles and then decent speed for a big man

(1 minute 4 second mark)
-great cutback and vision to find the lane
-here is the acceleration I'd like to see from Beanie all the time...nice NFL caliber run right here.

(1 minute 22 second mark)
-great cut and then getting up field

(1 minute 25 second mark)
-second great cut on this run and then punching it in the endzone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9VU4c5SjRY

(37 second mark)
-great job bouncing it outside to keep it alive

(41 secon mark)
-nice job following blockers and then bouncing it further to shake a defender

(49 second mark)
-great job finding the seem and accelerating through it

(52 second mark)
-great power and upper body strenght. He was running with his shoulders a bit too high and still planted this guy

*a few runs shown in fast-forward cannot accurately judge the plays*

(1 minute 33 second mark)
-nice spin move in the backfield to keep play alive and then ability to get north and south and still find the hole(Great ability and natural instinct you just cannot teach shown right here)
-then nice acceleration and ability to finish the job with 6 points

(Next three runs)
-all show great power and leg drive, and ability to keep pad level down

(1 minute 56 second and 2 minute marks)
-show great power and ability to run through tacklers who don't wrap up...you can't just hit this guy and bring him down, you have to wrap his legs up I like that in a back.

(2 minute 5 second mark)
-very nice cut back and nimble feet for a big man

(2 minute 11 second mark)
-great job finding hole and then weaving and powering his way to the first down marker

(2 minute 16 second mark)
-nice job finding the hole, bouncing it outside and then imediately getting north south again.
3. C.J. Spiller(Junior) :: Clemson :: 5'11 190
-NFL Comparison: Tony Dorsey
4. LeSean McCoy(Sophmore) :: Pittsburgh :: 5'11 200
-NFL Comparison: Thurman Thomas
5. Toney Baker(rsJunior) :: North Carolina State :: 5'11 225
-NFL Comparison: Ricky Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-huZvIfTRv4

(1 second mark)
-great cut off 'block' aka over pursuit of DT

(2-4 second mark)
-great great acceleration and speed for a big runner, and nice to see him keeping his pads low

(4 second mark)
-nice job being the aggresor and throwing his shoulder into defender
-low pads destroy would be tackler
6. Andre Brown(Senior) :: North Carolina State :: 6'0 232
-NFL Comparison: Corey Dillion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhc2yzrwGZ0

(3 second mark)
-nice cut to shake defender

(8 second mark)
-way to be the punisher, not punished
-great strong finish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyrDd7VMAw

(1st run)
-great vision
-great ability to read blocks and cut off blockers hips
-great acceleration

(2nd run)
- HOLD ON TO THE BALL!!!!(it's elementary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5sKCFZrd0

(9 second mark)
-great job reading blocks and cutting off hips

(9-17 second mark)
-great acceleration
-nice balance and tight rope
-great job finishing the run and getting it in the end zone

(3 second mark)
-nice power and ability to turn shoulders to keep defender from squaring up

(5 second mark)
-nice shake and bake for a big man
-good cut off block then nice acceleration

(7 second mark)
-nice to see the punishment dished out
-good stiff arm and showing upper body power
-then nice job taking off and getting it to the house
7. Knowshon Moreno(rsSophmore) :: Georgia :: 5'11 207
-NFL Comparison: Terry Allen
8. Charles Scott(Junior) :: LSU :: 5'11 221
-NFL Comparison: Roger Craig
9. Jeremiah Johnson(Senior) :: Oregon :: 5'9 220
-NFL Comparison: Frank Gore
10. Stefon Johnson(Junior) :: USC :: 6'1 210
-NFL Comparison: Ahman Green
11. Marlon Lucky(Senior) :: Nebraska :: 6'0 210
-NFL Comparison: Chester Taylor
12. Javarris James(Junior) :: Miami(Fla) :: 6'0 211
-NFL Comparison: Ricky Waters
13. James Davis(Senior) :: Clemson :: 5'11 205
-NFL Comparison: Curtis Martin
14. Ian Johnson(Senior) :: Boise State :: 5'11 194
-NFL Comparison: Marshall Faulk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D0aoqRIOwA
15. Mike Goodson(Junior) :: Texxas A&M :: 6'0 192
-NFL Comparison: Willie Parker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxPFkVG1Kps
16. Anthony Allen(Junior) :: Louisville :: 6'1 232
-NFL Comparison: LaMont Jordan
17. Eugene Jarvis(Junior) :: Kent State :: 5'5 175
-NFL Comparison: Quentin Griffin
18. Herb Donaldson(Senior) :: Western Illinois :: 5'11 225
-NFL Comparison: LaBrandon Toefield
19. Arian Foster(Senior) :: Tennessee :: 6'1 225
-NFL Comparison: Larry Johnson
20. C.J. Gable(Junior) :: USC :: 6'1 195
-NFL Comparison: Clinton Portis
21. Keegan Harring(Senior) :: Arizona State :: 5'10 195
-NFL Comparison: Tiki Barber
22. Corey Lewis(Senior) :: Northern Iowa :: 6'0 197
-NFL Comparison: Laurence Maroney
23. Antone Smith(Senior) :: Florida State :: 5'9 190
-NFL Comparison: Selvin Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSyjHDpXqLw
24. Javon Ringer(Senior) :: Michigan State :: 5'9 200
-NFL Comparison: Priest Holmes
25. Kory Sheets(Senior) :: Purdue 6'0 206
-NFL Comparison: Ernest Byner
26. Ontario Sneed(Senior) :: Central Michigan :: 5'11 205
-NFL Comparison: Errict Rhett
27. Brandon Ore(Senior) :: Virginia Tech:: 5'10 220
-NFL Comparison: Shaun Alexander
28. LaMarcus Coker(Junior) :: Tennessee :: 5'11 195
-NFL Comparison: Ahmad Bradshaw
29. Brad Lester(Senior) :: Auburn :: 5'11 198
-NFL Comparison: DeDe Dorsey
30. Rodney Ferguson(Senior) :: New Mexico :: 6'0 226
-NFL Comparison: Stephen Davis
31. Donald Brown(Junior) :: Connecticut :: 5'10 208
-NFL Comparison: Garrison Hearst
32. Andre Nixon(Junior) :: Connecticut :: 6'1 202
-NFL Comparison: Robert Smith
33. P.J. Hill(rsJunior) :: Wisconson :: 5'11 a biscut south of 300
-NFL Comparison: Natrone Means
34. Ben Tate(Junior) :: Auburn :: 5'11 215
-NFL Comparison: Thomas Jones
35. Tyrell Sutton(Senior) :: Northwestern :: 5'9 190
-NFL Comparison: Warrick Dunn
36. Darrell Mack(Senior) :: Utah :: 6'0 219
-NFL Comparison: Kolby Smith
37. Mike McLeod(Senior) :: Yale :: 5'11 200
-NFL Comparison: Jerious Norwood
38. Kahlil Bell(Senior) :: UCLA :: 6'0 206
-NFL Comparison: Ryan Grant
39. George Stripling(Senior) :: Louisville :: 6'0 184
-NFL Comparison: Leon Washington
40. Micah Andrews(Senior) :: Wake Forest :: 5'9 212
-NFL Comparison: Dominic Rhodes
41. Tyler Roehl(Senior) :: North Dakota State :: 5'10 223
-NFL Comparison: Steven Jackson
42. Dwight Tardy(Senior) :: Washington State :: 5'10 200
-NFL Comparison: Julius Jones
43. Luke Lippincott(Senior) :: Nevada :: 6'2 215
-NFL Comparison: Eddie George
44. Devin Moore(Senior) :: Wyoming :: 5'9 185
-NFL Comparison: Brian Westbrook
45. Gartrell Johnson(Senior) :: Colorado State :: 6'0 230
-NFL Comparison: Dorsey Levens
46. Rashad Jennings(Senior) :: Liberty :: 6'1 235
-NFL Comparison: Michael Turner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohP5XBCu_ws
47. Mike Davis(Senior) :: South Carolina :: 5'9, 212
-NFL Comparison: Rock Cartright
48. Maurice Well(Senior) :: Ohio State :: 5'11 190
-NFL Comparison: Jerome Harrison
49. Torrian Adams(Senior) :: Tulsa :: 6'1 200
-NFL Comparison: Travis Henry
50. Cedric Peerman(Senior) :: Virginia :: 5'10 208
-NFL Comparison: Aaron Stecker
51. Patrick Jackson(Senior) :: Louisiana Tech :: 5'10 193
-NFL Comparison: Lorenzo Booker
52. Marcus Thigpen(Senior) :: Indiana :: 5'9 199
-NFL Comparison: Darren Sproles
53. Jorvorskie Lane(Senior) :: Texas A&M :: 6'0 285
-NFL Comparison: Greg Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHVhi4K7MYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmNIFw_yMs
54. Aaron Brown(Senior) :: TCU :: 6'0 200
-NFL Comparison: Jason Wright
55. Kestahn Moore(Senior) :: Florida :: 5'10 220
-NFL Comparison: T.J. Duckett
56. Bernard Scott(Senior) :: Abilene Christian :: 5'11 190
-NFL Comparison: Michael Bennett
57. George Bell(Senior) :: Catawba :: 5'11 210
-NFL Comparison: Tim Biankabutuka
-started out at Virginia Tech, Ore's back-up, he left citing a desire for extended playing time.
58. Tyrell Fenroy(Senior) :: Lousiana-Lafayette :: 5'9 187
-NFL Comparison: Tatum Bell
59. Frank Summer(Senior) :: UNLV :: 5'10 240
-NFL Comparison: Najah Davenport

KCJ58
05-04-2008, 02:32 PM
wow good write up

eaglesfan_45
05-04-2008, 02:42 PM
54. Frank Summer(Senior) :: UNLV :: 5'10 240

this guy is a beast, will prob. play FB though, but man he can run hard.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FgmrbmGVyVY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GqqSI6q9AJc

fischbowl
05-04-2008, 02:49 PM
Good list, just can't see Javon Ringer at 23 :/

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 02:54 PM
Good list, just can't see Javon Ringer at 23 :/

I rate him so low based soley on intellegents. I've met him personally and they guy is stupid, not nicer or easier way around it the guy is dumber than a box of rocks. I have no clue how he has made it through college(Coaches help). I don't know how the strong teams feel about brain dead running backs either, but I wouldn't draft him at all if I were a GM. I guess if he knows how to read a playbook and has football smarts it might not matter than he can't read Dr. Suess books or give correct change amounts. I guess we'll see how the NFL feels about it come combine and draft time 2009.

yourfavestoner
05-04-2008, 03:42 PM
I rate him so low based soley on intellegents. I've met him personally and they guy is stupid, not nicer or easier way around it the guy is dumber than a box of rocks.[/b] I have no clue how he has made it through college(Coaches help). I don't know how the strong teams feel about brain dead running backs either, but I wouldn't draft him at all if I were a GM. I guess if he knows how to read a playbook and has football smarts it might not matter than he can't read Dr. Suess books or give correct change amounts. I guess we'll see how the NFL feels about it come combine and draft time 2009.

The irony here is laughable.

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-04-2008, 03:56 PM
Chris Wells: Very good HB at the next lvl. BUT... Bulk the guy up to 255 and make him a Alstott-like fb/hb. At 6'1 - 255 he will dominate.

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 03:56 PM
The irony here is laughable.

Misspelled words? Grammer? I'm sure that it what you're getting at, but the funny thing that I never claimed to be a genius. And the bad thing about it is that Ringer makes me look like a genius. Seriously, if anyone ever gets the chance to meet him ask him some of the most random questions that anyone who made it though ninth grade should know and he is completely lost. I may not have the best grammer or spelling, but at least I can read and count. Also, I'm not the one NFL teams are going to be putting on trial to determine whether or not they want to draft me.

A Perfect Score
05-04-2008, 04:08 PM
Chris Wells: Very good HB at the next lvl. BUT... Bulk the guy up to 255 and make him a Alstott-like fb/hb. At 6'1 - 255 he will dominate.

hey man, here is an idea...why dont you leave a player at the position they have played their entire life, instead of suggesting that every player drafted has to bulk up and play a different position? it isnt that simple...i bet you think playing right tackle and left tackle are the same too, and its real easy to make the switch...noob

iworshipbender
05-04-2008, 04:15 PM
Misspelled words? Grammer? I'm sure that it what you're getting at, but the funny thing that I never claimed to be a genius. And the bad thing about it is that Ringer makes me look like a genius. Seriously, if anyone ever gets the chance to meet him ask him some of the most random questions that anyone who made it though ninth grade should know and he is completely lost. I may not have the best grammer or spelling, but at least I can read and count. Also, I'm not the one NFL teams are going to be putting on trial to determine whether or not they want to draft me.

Here's a tip: if you're going to challenge someone's intelligence on the interweb, at least try to use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation.

For example, I always go out of my way and make a 100+ character post criticizing someone who calls someone on the internet "retarted."

fischbowl
05-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Misspelled words? Grammer? I'm sure that it what you're getting at, but the funny thing that I never claimed to be a genius. And the bad thing about it is that Ringer makes me look like a genius. Seriously, if anyone ever gets the chance to meet him ask him some of the most random questions that anyone who made it though ninth grade should know and he is completely lost. I may not have the best grammer or spelling, but at least I can read and count. Also, I'm not the one NFL teams are going to be putting on trial to determine whether or not they want to draft me.

Misspelled intelligence. Dummy

eaglesfan_45
05-04-2008, 04:17 PM
I rate him so low based soley on intellegents. I've met him personally and they guy is stupid, not nicer or easier way around it the guy is dumber than a box of rocks. I have no clue how he has made it through college(Coaches help). I don't know how the strong teams feel about brain dead running backs either, but I wouldn't draft him at all if I were a GM. I guess if he knows how to read a playbook and has football smarts it might not matter than he can't read Dr. Suess books or give correct change amounts. I guess we'll see how the NFL feels about it come combine and draft time 2009.

This is ironic

neko4
05-04-2008, 04:29 PM
So no love for Knowshon?

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 04:49 PM
This is ironic


That second part was just a typo and you know that. OMG I forgot to hit the "A" key.

The other spelling error, oh well, I never claimed to be a great speller.

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 04:50 PM
So no love for Knowshon?

Take a look at #7

thebow305
05-04-2008, 05:00 PM
Not a big Arian Foster fan I can see. Toney Baker over Knowshon & James Davis, I'm not so sure about that one.

Where's Stafon Johnson?

sodar21
05-04-2008, 05:14 PM
I rate him so low based soley on intellegents. I've met him personally and they guy is stupid, not nicer or easier way around it the guy is dumber than a box of rocks. I have no clue how he has made it through college(Coaches help). I don't know how the strong teams feel about brain dead running backs either, but I wouldn't draft him at all if I were a GM. I guess if he knows how to read a playbook and has football smarts it might not matter than he can't read Dr. Suess books or give correct change amounts. I guess we'll see how the NFL feels about it come combine and draft time 2009.
I would be willing to bet that most of the guys on this list can't put together too many coherent sentences. Intelligence is not a real requirement in football and especially not at the running back position.

Have you ever heard Darren McFadden speak?

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 05:34 PM
Not a big Arian Foster fan I can see. Toney Baker over Knowshon & James Davis, I'm not so sure about that one.

Where's Stafon Johnson?

Toney Baker suffers from a pathetic offensive line, splitting carries with another good running back, and an injury from last season. He'll be a good pro though.

I thought Johnson was a true sophmore?

neko4
05-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Take a look at #7
Exactly what im saying

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 05:38 PM
I would be willing to bet that most of the guys on this list can't put together too many coherent sentences. Intelligence is not a real requirement in football and especially not at the running back position.

Have you ever heard Darren McFadden speak?


It is not the way Ringer speaks. I could careless if someone has a stutter, gangster thuglife wanna be baller accent or slurrs their words. I'm talking about actual smarts. Plenty of people sound like they are dumb, but in reality are very intellegent people. Javon Ringer didn't sound half as bad as some athletes I've spoken with, but he came off as intellegent as an eighth grader.

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 05:40 PM
Exactly what im saying

Knowshon doesn't hold a candle to the first 4, and I think Baker and Brown are very under used with a terrible offensive coach and even worse offensive line. They both have far better physical tools and athletic ability than Moreno. NFL coaches are going to see that and know with good quallity coaching they can get a better player out of them two than from Moreno.

BaLLiN
05-04-2008, 07:40 PM
very good, id like to see more write up and videos, and maybe put in Craig cooper

asmitty45
05-04-2008, 07:45 PM
Javon Ringer should be higher on that list, i'd put him at 15. Thats a stacked class though.

DITK
05-04-2008, 07:49 PM
Misspelled intelligence. Dummy
Quoted the wrong post, dummy.

Sniper
05-04-2008, 08:05 PM
Chris Wells: Very good HB at the next lvl. BUT... Bulk the guy up to 255 and make him a Alstott-like fb/hb. At 6'1 - 255 he will dominate.

Have you ever thought of, I don't know, leaving a guy who is very good at his current position AT HIS CURRENT POSITION?????? Wells is the #1 back in the country and you want to make him a FB? Why? Because he will dominate? He already dominates. He's got a terrific blend of size, speed, power and quickness. Stop with your dumbass "thinking outside the box" **** because it's ******* ********.

Sniper
05-04-2008, 08:05 PM
Toney Baker suffers from a pathetic offensive line, splitting carries with another good running back, and an injury from last season. He'll be a good pro though.

I thought Johnson was a true sophmore?

Johnson is a junior-to-be.

Cribbs>Hester
05-04-2008, 08:24 PM
very good, id like to see more write up and videos, and maybe put in Craig cooper

Patients is a virtue my friend. I can't do it all overnight. I have some other highlight videos too. I just haven't got the time to prepare everything yet. The analysis of the players, weaknesses, strenghts and round projections are going to come in time. Remeber we still have over 350 days until the draft. I believe I have an ample amount of time.

Craig Cooper??? Isn't he a true sophmore?

Sniper
05-04-2008, 08:28 PM
Patients is a virtue my friend. I can't do it all overnight. I have some other highlight videos too. I just haven't got the time to prepare everything yet. The analysis of the players, weaknesses, strenghts and round projections are going to come in time. Remeber we still have over 350 days until the draft. I believe I have an ample amount of time.

Craig Cooper??? Isn't he a true sophmore?

He's a true sophomore but he had a year of prep (I think)

draftguru151
05-04-2008, 08:56 PM
Yea he went to prep school with McCoy (Milford?).

mqtirishfan
05-06-2008, 03:30 PM
Patients is a virtue my friend.

I really love how you isulted Ringer's intelligence.

Cribbs>Hester
05-06-2008, 04:10 PM
I really love how you isulted Ringer's intelligence.

Yeah, because that sentence was completely screwed up in the biggest way possible :rolleyes: You're just upset because you're a Michigan State fan. Don't be jealous Ohio State can produce more quallity NFL prospects in one class than Michigan State can produce in a decade.

mqtirishfan
05-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Yeah, because that sentence was completely screwed up in the biggest way possible :rolleyes: You're just upset because you're a Michigan State fan. Don't be jealous Ohio State can produce more quallity NFL prospects in one class than Michigan State can produce in a decade.

Dude, I ******* hate Michigan State. I just love the fact that you can't get through more than one post at a time without a basic spelling mistake, yet you have the nerve to insult the intelligence of someone you don't know.

Sniper
05-06-2008, 04:25 PM
Yeah, because that sentence was completely screwed up in the biggest way possible :rolleyes: You're just upset because you're a Michigan State fan. Don't be jealous Ohio State can produce more quallity NFL prospects in one class than Michigan State can produce in a decade.

He's a Notre Dame fan. Hence the whole "irish" part of his name.

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 04:27 PM
Chris Wells: Very good HB at the next lvl. BUT... Bulk the guy up to 255 and make him a Alstott-like fb/hb. At 6'1 - 255 he will dominate.

Lol i think he does this on purpose..

Cribbs>Hester
05-06-2008, 06:02 PM
He's a Notre Dame fan. Hence the whole "irish" part of his name.

Same thing can be said about those worthless talents, and sorry excuses for football players. Most overrated program of all time. How about winning a game AFTER the foward pass was invented.


Listen to the man talk. Ask him simple questions about our countries history. Ask him common sense questions. Give him a quick challanging math questions and you're going to find out what I am talking about. I'm no Stephen Hawking, I don't even claim to be intellegent. I rock a 2.77 GPA, but I'm still smart enough to know when someone is far less intellegent than the normal human being should be.

A Perfect Score
05-06-2008, 06:05 PM
Lol i think he does this on purpose..

i think hes just incompetant and has no football knowledge whatsoever...he doesnt realize that madden is not real life, you cant just edit peoples weight and move them from position to position.

mqtirishfan
05-06-2008, 06:44 PM
Listen to the man talk. Ask him simple questions about our countries history. Ask him common sense questions. Give him a quick challanging math questions and you're going to find out what I am talking about. I'm no Stephen Hawking, I don't even claim to be intellegent. I rock a 2.77 GPA, but I'm still smart enough to know when someone is far less intellegent than the normal human being should be.

A normal human being can spell 'intelligence' and 'patience' last I checked. I'm obviously coming off as a jerk here, but Jesus. Don't throw stones if you live in glass house, man.

Oh, and ND sort of won a title in the past 20 years, not that it matters at all. You insulting Ringer's intelligence and me cheering for ND have nothing to do with each other.

Cigaro
05-06-2008, 07:04 PM
Question; Despite never starting a game, why do rank Spiller as the #3 back, and ten spots ahead of now three-and-a-half year starter Davis?

SMoore
05-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Same thing can be said about those worthless talents, and sorry excuses for football players. Most overrated program of all time. How about winning a game AFTER the foward pass was invented.


Listen to the man talk. Ask him simple questions about our countries history. Ask him common sense questions. Give him a quick challanging math questions and you're going to find out what I am talking about. I'm no Stephen Hawking, I don't even claim to be intellegent. I rock a 2.77 GPA, but I'm still smart enough to know when someone is far less intellegent than the normal human being should be.

Well Lesean McCoy is an idiot too and you have him rated highly.
Intelligence shouldn't drop a guy that many spots, it isn't really that important. It's not like he has to do a physics problem to find the angle and velocity he needs to get through the hole. He just needs to see the hole and hit it.

neko4
05-06-2008, 08:54 PM
good job overall C>H
definitly some great effort and work

saintsfan912
05-06-2008, 09:08 PM
Keep an eye on LSU's other HB. Richard Murphy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6pDhiMK-amE&feature=related

Not to mention the fastest player in the nation Trindon Holliday.

Cribbs>Hester
05-07-2008, 10:25 AM
Well Lesean McCoy is an idiot too and you have him rated highly.
Intelligence shouldn't drop a guy that many spots, it isn't really that important. It's not like he has to do a physics problem to find the angle and velocity he needs to get through the hole. He just needs to see the hole and hit it.

I've never met McCoy so I wouldn't know anything about him except what I've seen in games.

The NFL is not junior high or high school football. You don't "just see the hole and hit it".

Cribbs>Hester
05-07-2008, 10:30 AM
Question; Despite never starting a game, why do rank Spiller as the #3 back, and ten spots ahead of now three-and-a-half year starter Davis?

James Davis rememinds me way too much of another Michael Hart, Steve Slaton, Darius Walker, Antonio Pittman type player. Rated really highly, but in all reality just another stand out college player destined to be a journeyman in the NFL.

YAYareaRB
05-07-2008, 10:51 AM
this guy is a beast, will prob. play FB though, but man he can run hard.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FgmrbmGVyVY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GqqSI6q9AJc

I always wondered where that big bafoon went.. He was a terror out here in the bay for a while.

SMoore
05-07-2008, 08:21 PM
I've never met McCoy so I wouldn't know anything about him except what I've seen in games.

The NFL is not junior high or high school football. You don't "just see the hole and hit it".

Well obviously hit the hole and run is simplified, I know it takes more than that but the point is you don't have to be a genius to be running back.

And if you are basing McCoy's rating on game tape, why not do the same for Ringer? I know McCoy is an idiot, but that doesn't change my opinion of him as a prospect.

Cribbs>Hester
05-08-2008, 12:29 PM
Well obviously hit the hole and run is simplified, I know it takes more than that but the point is you don't have to be a genius to be running back.

And if you are basing McCoy's rating on game tape, why not do the same for Ringer? I know McCoy is an idiot, but that doesn't change my opinion of him as a prospect.


Because I don't know that about McCoy. All I know is his game tape. Javon Ringer on the other hand I do know for a fact his intellegence is low because I have seen in person. If I ever meet McCoy and he proves to be just as much of an airhead as Ringer then I would knock him down in the rankings(Still not as low as Ringer).

Unbiased
05-08-2008, 12:56 PM
A normal human being can spell 'intelligence' and 'patience' last I checked. I'm obviously coming off as a jerk here, but Jesus. Don't throw stones if you live in glass house, man.

Oh, and ND sort of won a title in the past 20 years, not that it matters at all. You insulting Ringer's intelligence and me cheering for ND have nothing to do with each other.

I never thought of it like that.

ChiFan24
05-08-2008, 08:28 PM
Same thing can be said about those worthless talents, and sorry excuses for football players. Most overrated program of all time. How about winning a game AFTER the foward pass was invented.


Listen to the man talk. Ask him simple questions about our countries history. Ask him common sense questions. Give him a quick challanging math questions and you're going to find out what I am talking about. I'm no Stephen Hawking, I don't even claim to be intellegent. I rock a 2.77 GPA, but I'm still smart enough to know when someone is far less intellegent than the normal human being should be.

I'm a little curious as to why you're asking challenging math questions/US history questions to someone you just met.

mqtirishfan
05-08-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm a little curious as to why you're asking challenging math questions/US history questions to someone you just met.

Because it affects his ability to play football. Check the revised NFL rulebook. Article I, section 4: Before the ball is snapped, a quick quiz on history will be given to the runningback. If the question is answered incorrectly, the runningback must start the play facing toward his own endzone.

Flyboy
05-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Because it affects his ability to play football. Check the revised NFL rulebook. Article I, section 4: Before the ball is snapped, a quick quiz on history will be given to the runningback. If the question is answered incorrectly, the runningback must start the play facing toward his own endzone.

LMAO - that was golden.

Geo
05-08-2008, 10:17 PM
Right now, my #1 back prospect is Beanie Wells, followed closely by CJ Spiler of Clemson (who is the next Marshal Faulk imo). But I have to give Wells the nod over Spiller, he's just such a beast who can do it all.

Cribbs>Hester
05-08-2008, 10:42 PM
I'm a little curious as to why you're asking challenging math questions/US history questions to someone you just met.


haha I didn't. I was just making a point that he couldn't answer them. Just everyday stuff that comes up in coversation Mr. Ringer was clueless about almost anything we talked about.

Staubach12
05-08-2008, 11:20 PM
Wells is obviously the top RB of the class, but I still don't think he'll go top-5. There's just not that RB this year. 6-10 however, is very probable.

ncst8fan83
05-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Knowshon doesn't hold a candle to the first 4, and I think Baker and Brown are very under used with a terrible offensive coach and even worse offensive line. They both have far better physical tools and athletic ability than Moreno. NFL coaches are going to see that and know with good quallity coaching they can get a better player out of them two than from Moreno.

A terrible offensive coach? Seriously? Toney Baker played one half of football last season before blowing out his ACL. Done for the year. Andre Brown broke his foot and was out for 5 games and limited in the last 3-4. Jamelle Eugene is an effing beast, watch out for him this year. O'Brien has been there for one year, a complete turnaround from Amato's cluster**** is absurd to expect this soon. The fact of the matter is we won't have an offense worth anything if no one respects our passing game.

I'd love to pump up our players as much as any NCSU fan, but Baker is an uncertainty until he can prove his knee can hold up and Brown has major injury concerns. I think both can have Frank Gore type impacts, but they are both 3rd-4th rounders at best right now. Brown has more of a chance to move up after combine workouts though. Just my opinion.

nhlkdog411
05-10-2008, 02:21 PM
The irony here is laughable.

i concur (and i laughed)

badgerbacker
05-10-2008, 03:10 PM
I'm guessing you were just joking around but I hope you do seriously know that PJ Hill is nowhere near 300 lbs. He weighs less now than he did last year, and he weighed less last year than he did in his freshman year. If I had to guess, he's probably around the 225-230 mark. Still a pretty big guy, but his weight isn't a problem.

Also, a suggestion I have for you is that unless you've met and talked with every prospect, you shouldn't lower a person because of what you perceived as a lack of intelligence. I'm not saying he is a smart guy, I am just saying that there are a lot of dumb people out there, and a lot of really dumb football players. So, he's not the only one.

Good effort with the list though, obviously a lot of time was put into it.

Sportsfan486
05-10-2008, 03:20 PM
The irony here is laughable.

I almost died laughing.

Cribbs>Hester
05-11-2008, 05:01 PM
A terrible offensive coach? Seriously? Toney Baker played one half of football last season before blowing out his ACL. Done for the year. Andre Brown broke his foot and was out for 5 games and limited in the last 3-4. Jamelle Eugene is an effing beast, watch out for him this year. O'Brien has been there for one year, a complete turnaround from Amato's cluster**** is absurd to expect this soon. The fact of the matter is we won't have an offense worth anything if no one respects our passing game.

I'd love to pump up our players as much as any NCSU fan, but Baker is an uncertainty until he can prove his knee can hold up and Brown has major injury concerns. I think both can have Frank Gore type impacts, but they are both 3rd-4th rounders at best right now. Brown has more of a chance to move up after combine workouts though. Just my opinion.

I understand the injury problems, but hundreds of college players who had an injury or even more than one injury still go on to have good and even great NFL careers.

And it is Amato who I was refering to as a horrible offensive coach. Obviously I never got to watch Toney Baker run the ball in O'Brien's offense and I only saw 1 game with Andre Brown.

Cribbs>Hester
05-11-2008, 05:02 PM
I'm guessing you were just joking around but I hope you do seriously know that PJ Hill is nowhere near 300 lbs. He weighs less now than he did last year, and he weighed less last year than he did in his freshman year. If I had to guess, he's probably around the 225-230 mark. Still a pretty big guy, but his weight isn't a problem.

Also, a suggestion I have for you is that unless you've met and talked with every prospect, you shouldn't lower a person because of what you perceived as a lack of intelligence. I'm not saying he is a smart guy, I am just saying that there are a lot of dumb people out there, and a lot of really dumb football players. So, he's not the only one.

Good effort with the list though, obviously a lot of time was put into it.

Yeah I was joking about the almost 300 comment, but he was getting pretty fat last year. I haven't heard of him losing weight for this year, but good for him. He was getting out of hand.

ncst8fan83
05-11-2008, 10:59 PM
I understand the injury problems, but hundreds of college players who had an injury or even more than one injury still go on to have good and even great NFL careers.

And it is Amato who I was refering to as a horrible offensive coach. Obviously I never got to watch Toney Baker run the ball in O'Brien's offense and I only saw 1 game with Andre Brown.


I never said they wouldn't have successful careers in the NFL. Just that 5/6 range is a bit high for them, especially with Eugene stepping it up. Amato was a defensive minded coach by the way. He played linebacker at NCSU and is the LB coach at FSU right now. The horrible offensive coach title would belong to Marc Trestman...I'm sure some Raiders fans will recognize that name.

energizerbunny
05-11-2008, 11:37 PM
I haven't heard of him losing weight for this year, but good for him. He was getting out of hand.

He trimmed quite a few pounds last year as well... I think he was around 230-238 for the bowl game/season

quite a ways down from 245+ he was as a freshman... I has actaully lost every year he was played I dont know where your getting the out of hand weight from

Cribbs>Hester
05-12-2008, 11:03 AM
He trimmed quite a few pounds last year as well... I think he was around 230-238 for the bowl game/season

quite a ways down from 245+ he was as a freshman... I has actaully lost every year he was played I dont know where your getting the out of hand weight from

Because he looked fat, sloppy, very unbalanced and just lazy when you guys played us(Ohio State). At that point I'd never seen a running back so heavy other than Jovorskie Lane and even he ran with ten times better balance, as well as, a lot lighter on his feet.

Cribbs>Hester
05-12-2008, 11:12 AM
I never said they wouldn't have successful careers in the NFL. Just that 5/6 range is a bit high for them, especially with Eugene stepping it up. Amato was a defensive minded coach by the way. He played linebacker at NCSU and is the LB coach at FSU right now. The horrible offensive coach title would belong to Marc Trestman...I'm sure some Raiders fans will recognize that name.

So I'm confused at what you are trying to say then. I believe we are both having a civil conversation right now, but if you are telling me I should base my rankings on the consensus, and where the "experts" have then ranked right now then I am going to have to completely disagree with you, and let you know that is the worst idea I have ever heard. That is why everyone's mocks and big boards always end up exactlly the same at the end of the season, and end up horribly off come draft day.

I am going to base my rankings off of my own opinions, not Scott Wright, Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Rivals ect. I am going to watch players play and rank them on what I saw, not what someone told me I saw, and wouldn't only make sense to rank them on what you believe there NFL potential is compared to what they have done in college? The draft is all about what you are going to do at the next level. College is no over, so it no longer matters what they are capable of doing at that level. If I were just going on College production, current reps, current injury issues, how they perform in their college offense ect then I would have Chris Wells far and away #1 with James Davis #2 follewed by Moreno, McCoy, Spiller then Ian Johnson. That is no how I believe they will perform in the NFL though, so why would I rank them as such?

Understand where I am coming from? Does it always have to be a bad thing when rankings are a little bit different? Why can't it just be interesting to finally see a different opinion than the so called "experts" who are more often wrong than right anyway?

TitanHope
05-13-2008, 12:39 AM
28. LaMarcus Coker(Junior) :: Tennessee :: 5'11 195
-NFL Comparison: Ahmad Bradshaw

Coker is no longer a member of UT's football team. He was kicked off last season.

Good post. I only have a few disagreements, particularly Arian Foster at #19. I think he's at least a Top 15 RB. He has everything you need physically, he's a great receiver, and he has the production to back it up. The only questions are probably ball security and wear and tear. I like the Larry Johnson comparison, though.

Cribbs>Hester
05-13-2008, 02:04 AM
Coker is no longer a member of UT's football team. He was kicked off last season.

Good post. I only have a few disagreements, particularly Arian Foster at #19. I think he's at least a Top 15 RB. He has everything you need physically, he's a great receiver, and he has the production to back it up. The only questions are probably ball security and wear and tear. I like the Larry Johnson comparison, though.


Yeah I know. I just don't want to change his school until after I find out where he is headed to now. I also still have Brandon Ore listed as Virginia Tech. Once I know where they are both going to be I'll change things around.

draftguru151
05-13-2008, 08:22 AM
Ore is going to West Liberty State.

critesy
05-15-2008, 07:01 PM
you should reggie arnold from arknasas state.

urinemonkey
05-21-2008, 09:56 PM
Marlon Lucky doesn't get enough love imo.

BamaFalcon59
05-21-2008, 10:43 PM
you should reggie arnold from arknasas state.

Most definitely. Maurice Jones Drew look alike.

Cribbs>Hester
07-30-2008, 01:00 PM
I have a much better and more informed version with a lot more information, but for some reason I cannot log onto the site I posted it on with my dads computer(I'm at home this week house sitting). When I get back to Kent I am going to completely revamp this page...

Brent
07-30-2008, 03:03 PM
great comparison on Mike Goodson, should have a huge year because he's now the #1 and will carry the load.

619
07-30-2008, 03:11 PM
Stafon Johnson hasn't accomplished much in the passing game yet to warrant a comparison to Ahman Green imo.

TheBuffaloBills
07-31-2008, 05:59 PM
Nice work....... I like the Tim Biakabatuka comparison...... Theres a name you forget.

Mr. Stiller
08-01-2008, 12:40 AM
I think Knowshon and LeSean McCoy should be battling for #1.

They have the power (Albeit not K-Will or Beanie) But they possess better hands out of the backfield and much better speed.

Iamcanadian
08-06-2008, 12:47 AM
The GBN has put out its pre season ranking for the next draft with Wells at the top. Not saying they will finish the season that way, but it is a starting point.

http://www.gbnreport.com/2008collegepreview.html

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2008, 01:48 AM
I see Spiller as Willie Parker. Maybe better hands receiving.. But I don't see the Marshall Faulk Comparison.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
08-06-2008, 11:03 PM
I never said they wouldn't have successful careers in the NFL. Just that 5/6 range is a bit high for them, especially with Eugene stepping it up. Amato was a defensive minded coach by the way. He played linebacker at NCSU and is the LB coach at FSU right now. The horrible offensive coach title would belong to Marc Trestman...I'm sure some Raiders fans will recognize that name.

He's a beast of a coach in Madden 05, I always hire him lol.

Cribbs>Hester
09-21-2008, 01:09 AM
I have some serious changing to do here. Keiland Williams didn't earn the starting role like he was expected and Charles Scott is beasting it. Right now this season he has been more impressive than Chris Wells was all of last year. Also Knowshon Moreno has proven he was no flash in the pan last season.

Saints-Tigers
09-21-2008, 02:41 PM
Keiland hasn't looked bad either, it's just hard not to give the ball to a guy who is averaging 9 yards per carry.

STARHEATHER
09-22-2008, 08:03 PM
im going to go with

1. charles scott
2. shonn greene
3. lagarett blount

theyre the only ones ive seen so far that id consider using a rd 1 pick

bored of education
09-22-2008, 08:08 PM
im going to go with

1. charles scott
2. shonn greene
3. lagarett blount

theyre the only ones ive seen so far that id consider using a rd 1 pick

:eek: :eek: whattttttttttttttttttttttttttt who what where and why!

Sniper
09-23-2008, 04:23 AM
im going to go with

1. charles scott
2. shonn greene
3. lagarett blount

theyre the only ones ive seen so far that id consider using a rd 1 pick

Are you ******* kidding me?

STARHEATHER
09-23-2008, 06:41 PM
scott has been the best back this year no doubts. hes a shown a lot more speed quickness and shiftiness than he has in the past. hes also an excellent pass receiver and a decent blocker in the pass game and a big body blocking regardless, although he did miss a cuple vs auburn. he made some freaky cuts and has shown explosive ability, hitting holes fast and getting to the secondary quickly. and he rarely goes down on first contact. has the nfl body required to be a top tb for any consistent period of time.

shonn green is a similar to scott. hes very compactly built, rarely goes down on contact and showed some decent cutback ability. a little bit slower little bit less athletic jonathan stewart type. kind of a bit of a cross between stewart and ron dayne. not quite as quick as stewart, not quite as plodding as dayne, somewhere in between. not quite as good footwork as charles scott. but hes going to break tackles and get positive yards.

lagarett blount from oregon is a very athletic 6 1 240 with good speed, jukes and athleticism. hes already begininning to dominate in his early college games. a little tall but breaks tackles and is a large man. hes doin some freaky stuff out there.

Sniper
09-23-2008, 06:43 PM
So you wouldn't spend a first round pick on Beanie Wells, LeSean McCoy or Knowshon Moreno? ********.

STARHEATHER
09-23-2008, 07:03 PM
absolutely no chance ever. i have mccoy and green on tape together. trust me, shonn green is much the better player. not only is he bigger than mccoy and far harder to tackle, hes just as fast if not faster. mccoy hasnt broken a tackle in 2 years and hes not lightning fast enough to be effective at the nfl level as that type back. he lacks lower body bulk and power. also had a major injury in his past. hes been inneffective this year i believe averaging >4 ypc which in college is pretty awful for an nfl prospect. i dont like anything about him for the nfl level. if i was to pick this type back they would need to have much better speed and maybe some return ability or some other value added skill. fumblitis too.

moreno has nice jukes. nice quickness. his moves are special. problem is he lacks lower body bulk and top end speed. hes very physical runner which at his size and limited speed doesnt bode well for survival let alone success at the nfl level. hell have to come in around 220 for a consideration because hes not that fast. its difficult to be a top end back weighing 205 and running a 4.5 40. kind of a slower reggie bush who cant return punts and burn people in the pass game. just not enough physically. not going to survive and not explosive enough speed wise compared to the nfl level to have a huge impact.

beanie. youve got to be kidding right. i mean doesnt someone have to play first to be considered a prospect? anyway, hes slow, top heavy, thin legged, injury prone, doesnt break tackles other than dbs. just a recipe for cedric benson.. doesnt a dude have to make it through at least a few games before going down to prove he can make it through a 16 game nfl schedule?

if moreno comes back next year in the 220 area with the same quicks id say maybe. no way right now. maybe next year a mid late rd 1 provided he shows the above

mccoy. would not draft. not going to make it. no added value. no speed.

beanie- i still cant believe this was a serious question

Sniper
09-23-2008, 07:07 PM
Without a doubt, that was one of the top 5 dumbest posts I've read on this site.

STARHEATHER
09-23-2008, 07:18 PM
i guess well find out. care to refute if its so "dumb"?

Sniper
09-23-2008, 07:22 PM
i guess well find out. care to refute if its so "dumb"?

Because Beanie Wells is plenty fast. He's had his fair share of big runs in his career. The guy's built like a tank. He's big, strong, stiff arms the **** out of defensive players etc...Doesn't break tackles? Are you kidding?

STARHEATHER
09-23-2008, 07:29 PM
you mean he stiff arms dbs. just like i said. and hes fast compared to whom? darren mcfadden? rashard mendenhall? hes not any bigger than lagraett blount or charles scott or shon green, and he cvertainly doesnt break more tackles than those guys.and theyre built more compactly hes not any faster and his short area quickness is less. just more time on tv. plus, those guys have actually played thisyear. beanies on the bench. like he was last year.id compare him most to blount and blount is faster quicker breaks more tackles and does more freaky stuff. i dont go off rep. you got to show it on the field. blount shows more than even healthy beanie running through gaping holes stiff arming dbs.

Sniper
09-23-2008, 07:30 PM
you mean he stiff arms dbs. just like i said. and hes fast compared to whom? darren mcfadden? rashard mendenhall? hes not any bigger than lagraett blount or charles scott or shon green, and he cvertainly doesnt break more tackles than those guys.and theyre built more compactly hes not any faster and his short area quickness is less. just more time on tv. plus, those guys have actually played thisyear. beanies on the bench. like he was last year.id compare him most to blount and blount is faster quicker breaks more tackles and does more freaky stuff. i dont go off rep. you got to show it on the field. blount shows more than even healthy beanie running through gaping holes stiff arming dbs.

The only way to get a rep is to do something on the field. So that doesn't really work for you.

STARHEATHER
09-23-2008, 07:38 PM
i dont go off their rep. ive seen wells on tape several times. hes a one cut runner who pretty much goes down immeditely on contact, limited speed, no real jukes to speak of. then the injury bug too. i dont think id risk it.

J-Shock
09-23-2008, 07:55 PM
Keiland is nothing like Lewis.

Scott is very very much like Lewis.

BamaFalcon59
09-23-2008, 07:57 PM
i dont go off their rep. ive seen wells on tape several times. hes a one cut runner who pretty much goes down immeditely on contact, limited speed, no real jukes to speak of. then the injury bug too. i dont think id risk it.

Have you seen Darren Evans play?

I'm just wondering if you are talking without watching or not. Because if you say Evans doesn't run hard, then well...you are wrong!

ToldLikeItIs
09-24-2008, 12:33 AM
Shonn Greene isn't worthy of a first-round pick, yet. He's playing very well and not even in game shape. Two years ago, he was the 2nd fastest player on the team to Charles Godfrey, and Godfrey ran a 4.42. I'm guessing he'll run a 4.48 or so at the combine, not bad for 5'11 240.

Definitely a guy to keep an eye on who should have a very productive upcoming year.

Saints-Tigers
09-24-2008, 12:35 AM
Keiland Williams is more like someone like Rashard Mendenhall than Jamal Lewis.

Cribbs>Hester
09-24-2008, 06:25 AM
Keiland Williams is more like someone like Rashard Mendenhall than Jamal Lewis.

I said Jamal Lewis because of the fact that he catches passes out of the backfield very well for a big man. I bet I could switch Roger Craig and Jamal Lewis around so that its Scott/Lewis and Craig/Williams and you wouldn't say a word, but in reality all 4 of them have the same exactly abilities.

eaglesalltheway
09-24-2008, 06:53 AM
i dont go off their rep. ive seen wells on tape several times. hes a one cut runner who pretty much goes down immeditely on contact, limited speed, no real jukes to speak of. then the injury bug too. i dont think id risk it.

OK first off, how do you say in one post that he was on the bench all last year and then in this one say that you've seen plenty of tape on him? Not trying to call you out or anything, but that just doesn't sound right to me.

Beanie doesn't go down on first contact all the time. Sure he can be tackled one on one, it happens to everyone, but he can and has broken tackles on a consistent basis. He hits holes with authority, and anyone who can't see that isn't watching well enough apparently. Its obvious we differ in opinions, so I won't go into depth for a useless cause, but you have got to be joking saying that he can't break tackles. He has shown plenty on the field, when you consider he has had 200+ yard games against very good defenses, aka Michigan last year (sorry Sniper)

Cribbs>Hester
09-24-2008, 07:05 AM
OK first off, how do you say in one post that he was on the bench all last year and then in this one say that you've seen plenty of tape on him? Not trying to call you out or anything, but that just doesn't sound right to me.

Beanie doesn't go down on first contact all the time. Sure he can be tackled one on one, it happens to everyone, but he can and has broken tackles on a consistent basis. He hits holes with authority, and anyone who can't see that isn't watching well enough apparently. Its obvious we differ in opinions, so I won't go into depth for a useless cause, but you have got to be joking saying that he can't break tackles. He has shown plenty on the field, when you consider he has had 200+ yard games against very good defenses, aka Michigan last year (sorry Sniper)

Bold :: Hmm on defensive backs and arm tackles.

Red :: Most hillarious statement ever. I was a huge Chris Wells fan coming into Ohio State because he was suppose to be so great obviously, but once he got here the most irritating thing about him is the fact that he pussyfoots behind the line looking for a hole more often than not. How do you think he got hurt? He was in mid-hopping around like a pansie and hurt his foot.

He obviously has the ability to lower his shoulder and run through people or create his own holes because I have seen him do it!!!!!!! Problem is he has this pansie scat back mentality more often than a brusing lower the boom type mentality. Someone needs to piss the kid off and make him run like a dozer all the time because he can do it...its just a matter of actually doing it.

Before the blinded to everything else, no Buckeye can ever do wrong, homer get here to bash me I'll say as much as I harp about Chris Wells and Malcolm Jenkins its because I want them to get better. They're just plan doing stupid things and making stupid mental mistakes. It's all very correctable and if they correct it then they can be stars in the NFL.


James Laurinaitis on the other hand is unfixable he's just plain overrated and bad.

eaglesalltheway
09-24-2008, 07:12 AM
To elaborate,
OSU had 13 games last year (2007)
Beanie had over 100 yards in 9 of them
Beanie had 150 yards plus in 3 of them (Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan)
Beanie had 200 yards plus in 2 of them (Michigan State, Michigan)
On the season, he averaged 124 yards per game
On the season, he had over 1600 yards rushing
On the season, he had 15 TDs
On the season, he averaged, 5.9 ypc

None too shabby, and when you consider some of the teams he had his good games on (Michigan, LSU, PSU, Michigan State) and his overall consistency through the season, he put together a great year, and has the size, speed, athletecism, and all of the things you want to be a succesful RB in the NFL. I am a Penn State fan and i hate that he's at OSU, but he is a great RB with good NFL potential, and there is no doubt about it.

eaglesalltheway
09-24-2008, 07:19 AM
Bold :: Hmm on defensive backs and arm tackles.

Red :: Most hillarious statement ever. I was a huge Chris Wells fan coming into Ohio State because he was suppose to be so great obviously, but once he got here the most irritating thing about him is the fact that he pussyfoots behind the line looking for a hole more often than not. How do you think he got hurt? He was in mid-hopping around like a pansie and hurt his foot.

He obviously has the ability to lower his shoulder and run through people or create his own holes because I have seen him do it!!!!!!! Problem is he has this pansie scat back mentality more often than a brusing lower the boom type mentality. Someone needs to piss the kid off and make him run like a dozer all the time because he can do it...its just a matter of actually doing it.

Before the blinded to everything else, no Buckeye can ever do wrong, homer get here to bash me I'll say as much as I harp about Chris Wells and Malcolm Jenkins its because I want them to get better. They're just plan doing stupid things and making stupid mental mistakes. It's all very correctable and if they correct it then they can be stars in the NFL.


James Laurinaitis on the other hand is unfixable he's just plain overrated and bad.
I know how he got hurt, and if you look towards the left of the shot, there is a hole to his left, and he was dancing a bit yes, but he was also making a cut towards his left. I have seen him "hit the hole with authority (which you find funny for some reason) against PSU, LSU and Michigan. He is catching a lot of unwarranted flack right now because he is out, and people are reading into things too much. My main dispute is with mythbusta saying that Wells falls down on cotact and cant get yardage after contact. He will hit the hole with authority, but he has the agility (barely) to do some dancing and then get to the hole. If you look more in dpeth, he is waiting (showing good patience) for the hole to open up, and in most cases it does, allowing him to go through.

Cribbs>Hester
09-24-2008, 07:25 AM
Everyone has seen him hit the hole with authority. The problem is he doesn't do it near as often as he should. He dances like a princespussy too often.

Flack for being out? Obviously you've never seen me post about Chris Wells because I've been harping on the guy for way longer than his recent injury.

eaglesalltheway
09-24-2008, 07:47 AM
Everyone has seen him hit the hole with authority. The problem is he doesn't do it near as often as he should. He dances like a princespussy too often.

Flack for being out? Obviously you've never seen me post about Chris Wells because I've been harping on the guy for way longer than his recent injury.

I didn't mean you specifically, but it seems across all levels of evaluation he is getting unfair assesments right now. A few good games will negate some of it though

J-Shock
09-24-2008, 09:05 AM
I said Jamal Lewis because of the fact that he catches passes out of the backfield very well for a big man. I bet I could switch Roger Craig and Jamal Lewis around so that its Scott/Lewis and Craig/Williams and you wouldn't say a word, but in reality all 4 of them have the same exactly abilities.keiland can't seem to hit the hole (something Scott an Lewis do very well), he can't seem to hit the corner (again something Scott and Lewis do well). Scott is the overall better back by a considerable margin. He blocks better than all the RB's.

Also Scott is built physically just like Lewis. Minus the speed of course.

STARHEATHER
09-25-2008, 07:36 PM
so hes running through gaping holes against bad competition. even against lsu he had 1 gaping hole, then the rest of the game, pretty much nothing. hes been hurt both years he had any signifigant playing time. so he has an injury bug. lots of dudes have 1500 yards in college. it really means nothing. and if compare him to nfl backs, he has bad speed, bad quickness, and a bad top heavy skinny long legged body. hes not a home run hitter or in space freak so he loses that value as well. he makes one cut pretty much on every run. he goes down on first contact nearly every time he touches it. hes not elusive. hes not more powerful or faster than charles scott or shonn green or lagarret blount, nor is he more elusive or break more tackles. the only thing he does is play for a team that plays on tv more that has a bunch of wastes playing behind him. if this dude was at lsu hed be 4th tb. he just happens to be the best back on a good team. just way too many thnings that arent elite level for me to consider with a high pick. beanies a heartbreaker. hes not going to be able to elude or overpower at the nfl level and has no value added skills.with the injuries added its just a recipe for disaster. i dont know who darren evens is. but ill have to check him out