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TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 12:37 PM
Could he go numbero uno? He has freaksize (6'6 - 295 lbs), and could probably play all positions on the line in any system. With 4.6 speed he could also be used as a oLB'er in the 3-4 (A mismatch waiting to happen.)

Do u think he is versatile enough to go number one?

Yatta!
05-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Where in the world did you get 4.6 speed?

If he has a good season then he'll be a Top 20 guy but its possible that he could just become Calais Campbell-esque prospect. I'd be surprised if he ran anything better than a 4.9 tbh and a poor time/relatively poor season would see him go in the mid-2nd like Calais.

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 12:49 PM
i think he will run in the 4.67-4.72 range. With that athleticism he could be a dominant DE, DT or even olb'er in 3-4.

Wootylicous
05-05-2008, 12:53 PM
Ehhhh maybe 4.75-4.8 but no way he is running a 4.6.

P-L
05-05-2008, 12:54 PM
If he has a productive seasons and runs a 4.60-4.70 then I could easily top ten or even top five. That's a big "if" though. I'm not quite sure that he has the pass rushing skills to go in the top three, even with his athleticism. I know a lot of people who think he's an ideal 3-4 DE and team just won't spend a very high pick on a 3-4 DE. He'd have to prove to teams that he's got the pass rushing skills to be a 4-3 DE.

energizerbunny
05-05-2008, 01:10 PM
he isn't going to run a Mario-esque time.... we probably won't see an elite prospect run that fast at that big for another decade

princefielder28
05-05-2008, 01:15 PM
If he has a productive seasons and runs a 4.60-4.70 then I could easily top ten or even top five. That's a big "if" though. I'm not quite sure that he has the pass rushing skills to go in the top three, even with his athleticism. I know a lot of people who think he's an ideal 3-4 DE and team just won't spend a very high pick on a 3-4 DE. He'd have to prove to teams that he's got the pass rushing skills to be a 4-3 DE.

agree...he doesn't have the estimated speed that the thread starter projects so his versaility isn't great and will not warrant the #1 overall pick. I think he's the 3rd or 4th best DE that could be in next year's draft.

BeerBaron
05-05-2008, 01:16 PM
If he has a productive seasons and runs a 4.60-4.70 then I could easily top ten or even top five. That's a big "if" though. I'm not quite sure that he has the pass rushing skills to go in the top three, even with his athleticism. I know a lot of people who think he's an ideal 3-4 DE and team just won't spend a very high pick on a 3-4 DE. He'd have to prove to teams that he's got the pass rushing skills to be a 4-3 DE.

Bill Parcells says "hello"

I could see him do that with Miami if there aren't any great 34 OLB prospects worthy that high

CC.SD
05-05-2008, 01:22 PM
I'm pretty sure only Thor the god of lightning could run a 4.6 at 6'6 295.

draftguru151
05-05-2008, 01:27 PM
Bill Parcells says "hello"

I could see him do that with Miami if there aren't any great 34 OLB prospects worthy that high

We drafted 2 3-4 DEs this year and we still wouldn't take him top 5 regardless.

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 01:38 PM
I'm pretty sure only Thor the god of lightning could run a 4.6 at 6'6 295.

Ever heard of Mario Williams 6'7 295 - 4.66 at combine

Thunder&Lightning
05-05-2008, 01:41 PM
Ever heard of Mario Williams 6'7 295 - 4.66 at combine

haha are you seriously comparing Tyson Jackson to Mario Williams right now...? first off its way to early to make comparisons like that and second mario williams is a freak of nature...

CC.SD
05-05-2008, 01:42 PM
Ever heard of Mario Williams 6'7 295 - 4.66 at combine

Mario is already a member of the pantheon; he is Odin. Obviously.

he is also the best physical specimen the combine has ever seen. Sorry Tyson.

terribletowel39
05-05-2008, 01:42 PM
It would suprise me a bit if he ran that quick, but I don't think it is completely out of the question. I don't expect him to run anything lower than like 4.8. It's more likely that he runs in the 4.7's. So if he does some great training, I could see him get into the 4.6 range.

BeerBaron
05-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Mario is already a member of the pantheon; he is Odin. Obviously.

he is also the best physical specimen the combine has ever seen. Sorry Tyson.

odin...hes norse. not quite the right pantheon there sir, lol

DeathbyStat
05-05-2008, 02:17 PM
I only like him as a 3-4 end and those guys don't go at the top of the draft

fenikz
05-05-2008, 02:25 PM
He doesn't like like his is 290 more of 270 even then he only likes he would run a high 4.8

SMoore
05-05-2008, 02:35 PM
I don't really like jackson, but it's just a personal preference thing.
He is a good prospect but 4.6 is ridiculous. I think he runs a 4.9 which will be a good time if he weighs in as expected (around 290).

CC.SD
05-05-2008, 02:41 PM
odin...hes norse. not quite the right pantheon there sir, lol

Odin and Thor are definitely in the same pantheon. At least, that's what my old Avengers comics say.

no love
05-05-2008, 02:44 PM
he isn't going to run a Mario-esque time.... we probably won't see an elite prospect run that fast at that big for another decade

Thats what they said about Julius Peppers. Athletes these days are just getting ridiculous, although all my instincts agree with you...every other year there seems to be another Vernon Davis, Mario Williams type of freak athlete.

Don Vito
05-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Jackson could be a first round guy, but I am not a huge fan of his. I've seen him play a few times and he really looks lazy, I think he will have that knock against him of taking plays off. He is a big body with athleticism but he is not in Mario Williams class. If he doesn't put up numbers he will end up in Calais Campbell's situation in my opinion. His versatility will attract a bunch of teams though, I think he can play end in both the 4-3 and 3-4.

thebow305
05-05-2008, 03:07 PM
You're still here Draft Dude?

I thought this guy was banned a long time ago?

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 03:11 PM
You're still here Draft Dude?

I thought this guy was banned a long time ago?

Uhmm why? :confused:

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 03:12 PM
My neg rep. is declining... fast!!!!

BeerBaron
05-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Odin and Thor are definitely in the same pantheon. At least, that's what my old Avengers comics say.

oh yeah, your right. both norse. for some reason i was associating the romans with the pantheon....it can be any group of gods. my bad

Staubach12
05-05-2008, 03:31 PM
Jackson as an OLB is a ridiculous idea.

A Perfect Score
05-05-2008, 03:34 PM
hey draft dude, if tyson jackson lost 70 lbs, he could play WR with that 4.6 speed! hed be dominant!

or we could just give him your calais campbell treatment, and maybe ask him to bulk up 60 lbs and then play him at DT, where he would demand quadriple teams!


honestly, this guy is a joke, how is he still one here? i havent seen him post anything decent on here at all

saintsfan912
05-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Well he ran a 4.8 coming out of high school. We'll see I guess. And I don't know where you guys are coming up with this lazy thing.

xooberon
05-05-2008, 04:05 PM
-= All Hail Draft Dude =-

Brent
05-05-2008, 06:24 PM
-= All Hail Draft Dude =-
Yes, for only he could command as much neg rep.

TheIncredibleDraftDude
05-05-2008, 06:24 PM
Jackson as an OLB is a ridiculous idea.

well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.

A Perfect Score
05-05-2008, 06:27 PM
well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.

if i could neg rep you again i would...but it wot let me

regoob2
05-05-2008, 06:28 PM
well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.well ya that makes sense. Lets go for 20 maybe 25 a year.:rolleyes:

regoob2
05-05-2008, 06:28 PM
if i could neg rep you again i would...but it wot let medont worry i got it.

TheGreatEscape
05-05-2008, 06:32 PM
I only like him as a 3-4 end and those guys don't go at the top of the draft

Richard Seymour?

OhioState
05-05-2008, 06:37 PM
this is ridiculous, tyson jackson is not going no 1 overall no matter what happens. and really 4.6? i mean come on, he'll be lucky to break 4.8. remember when you said that taylor mays ran at 4.2 at 250, well this is kinda the same

Hwoarang
05-05-2008, 06:42 PM
Dude dropped Andre Woodson's stock with one karate chop. Just saying that's talent son..

The Legend
05-05-2008, 06:48 PM
4.8 is impressive for a 300 pound man, so anything less would be amazing

fenikz
05-05-2008, 07:23 PM
is tyson even 270?

Don Vito
05-05-2008, 07:27 PM
He did not look like he was near 300 last year, my guess would be he is around 6-5 275. He will probably weight in somewhere in the 280's next offseason, unless he pulls a Baraka Atkins and drops weight trying to appeal to more schemes. He will probably just try and bulk up but you never know, it really is all speculation at this point. I'm not a huge fan of Jackson's, but he does have some potential.

He reminds me of Marquise Hill when he was at LSU. They always have bigger DEs like Spears, but Hill was another huge end who projected to play end in the 4-3 and 3-4.

princefielder28
05-05-2008, 07:31 PM
Dude dropped Andre Woodson's stock with one karate chop. Just saying that's talent son..

what??? Woodson's stock dropped because of his own personal doings, nothing another player did to him

Hwoarang
05-05-2008, 07:35 PM
what??? Woodson's stock dropped because of his own personal doings, nothing another player did to himShould I have posted this? It seems as though I should have.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4874/sarcasmxj9.jpg

AkiliSmith
05-05-2008, 07:53 PM
well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.

You realize he only had 3.5 sacks last season in college. How does that translate to 15 in the NFL?

metafour
05-05-2008, 08:12 PM
LMAO @ this thread.

goodlookin
05-05-2008, 08:13 PM
I only like him as a 3-4 end and those guys don't go at the top of the draft


Weird that the formula to the patriots constant defensive sucess has been building its defensive line through top 20 draft picks. Seymour rd 1-6, Warren rd 1-21, and Wilfork rd 1-13. Dont attempt to say these are luxury picks, because they are needs for the system and allow the pats to stay competitive. I dont care if im being a homer, it works.

Hines
05-05-2008, 08:26 PM
Could he go numbero uno? He has freaksize (6'6 - 295 lbs), and could probably play all positions on the line in any system. With 4.6 speed he could also be used as a oLB'er in the 3-4 (A mismatch waiting to happen.)

Do u think he is versatile enough to go number one?

Did you really just say he can play OLB in a 34 at 295 pounds? Wow you must be dumb. He isnt that athletic to drop into coverage and isnt fast enough anyways. He is strickly a 34 De and a UT in the 43. Wow.

I want him in the Black and Gold and I dont care what you guys say.

BroadwayJoe10
05-05-2008, 08:30 PM
I was going to say the only way i see it happening is if the pats somehow swindle a team out of next year's #1 overall, but they didn't do that again this year..thank god. Even than I don't think they'd take him, because i'd almost guarantee they'd take less than market value for a trade down and probably still get there guy.

I would be very hard pressed to beleive he runs anything below 4.75 unless he dipped into the 270s or something. I watched him all year long and i guess i'm part of the minority and think he did weigh in the 290s. He just has that frame that supports weight well and I didn't see him getting pushed around by the bigger lineman; i think he's definately in the 290 range. That having been said, as of now, I don't see him as a top 15 talent.

BamaFalcon59
05-05-2008, 08:35 PM
well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.

I'm not sure if I sense sarcasm or not. I should be sensing sarcasm, but I am not.

niel89
05-05-2008, 10:10 PM
You realize he only had 3.5 sacks last season in college. How does that translate to 15 in the NFL?

4.6 = 15 sax. at cornerback, because he is so damn versatile.

Staubach12
05-05-2008, 11:15 PM
well it really isnt.. he should drop some pounds first I know.... but @ 6'6 285 lbs he'll be a sick 3-4 elephant. 15 sax a year. def. pro bowl worthy. The versatility is what makes him great.

He doesn't have the athleticism of a LB. You're ridiculous. I'm not even going to argue with you.

Staubach12
05-05-2008, 11:15 PM
I heard Jackson has a nice arm. If he dropped 20 lbs, he could be a better JaMarcus Russell!

YAYareaRB
05-06-2008, 12:55 AM
That whole D-Line is has day one potential.

Byrd430
05-06-2008, 01:05 AM
Currently I see Tyson Jackson being a top 10 pick, but not number one overall. I don't even see him being the top DE on the board right now. I think Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech takes that spot for now, but a big season from Jackson, and he could overtake Johnson. I think by the time it's all said and done, Jackson's size will put him in the top 20 overall, but as somebody eluded to earlier, he does have the Gholston Syndrome of taking plays off.

By the way, Tyson was clocked running a 4.87 last time I heard. The lowest I've heard him running was a 4.78.

reigle9
05-06-2008, 02:02 AM
I heard Big Brown is going #1 overall. Great size/speed combo.

Solomon
05-06-2008, 02:37 AM
Weird that the formula to the patriots constant defensive sucess has been building its defensive line through top 20 draft picks. Seymour rd 1-6, Warren rd 1-21, and Wilfork rd 1-13. Dont attempt to say these are luxury picks, because they are needs for the system and allow the pats to stay competitive. I dont care if im being a homer, it works.

Well for one thing, Wilfork is not a 3-4 DE, he is a NT and was at one time considered the top player in his class.

Second of all DeathByStat says that he "only" likes Tyson as a 3-4 end. Seymour was considered a top 10 prospect as a DT when he came out, Warren was likewise considered a late first rounder at DT when he came out. Players who are best suited as 3-4 DEs or 4-3 strong side DEs do not play a premium position and are not as valuable come draft day.

Unbiased
05-06-2008, 02:52 AM
Jackson reminds me of Carriker and will probably go in that same range on draft day, but I could see a team falling in love with him.

Jakey
05-06-2008, 10:45 AM
Haha...i swear this guy is laughing at half of you guys right now...he's a joker...and you are taking it sooo seriously! :)

Albeit...the joke isnt as funny as it used to be! :rolleyes:

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 11:39 AM
Jackson the next Leonard Marshall? Both out of LSU. I could see Parcells definitely taking him even with him taking two DEs this year. Parcells seems to try and find guys who are exactly like guys he had with the Giants. All we ever hear is him comparing players to guys he used to have.

katnip
05-06-2008, 12:35 PM
if anything teams will be thinking with amazing measurable and his size. de. in my opinion. sounds like a mario williams clone too me

mqtirishfan
05-06-2008, 03:22 PM
if anything teams will be thinking with amazing measurable and his size. de. in my opinion. sounds like a mario williams clone too me

Except for the fact he's nowhere near the athlete Mario is.

Sniper
05-06-2008, 04:09 PM
Mario is already a member of the pantheon; he is Odin. Obviously.

he is also the best physical specimen the combine has ever seen. Sorry Tyson.

Vernon Davis is grossly insulted.

katnip
05-06-2008, 07:04 PM
Except for the fact he's nowhere near the athlete Mario is.

then why and who said tyson gots 4.6 speed?

mqtirishfan
05-06-2008, 07:24 PM
then why and who said tyson gots 4.6 speed?

The Original Poster said it, and he's wrong.

Iamcanadian
05-06-2008, 10:26 PM
To put it mildly, he had a terrible junior campaign and unless he rebounds substantially, he won't see round 1. Where's the junior production???

saintsfan912
05-06-2008, 10:27 PM
Well when you have a dline that constantly rotates top notch guys in and out its kinda hard to put up huge stats.

TigerBait45
05-06-2008, 10:32 PM
Jackson's..weird. His sophomore season was great but he really fell back last year. I believe he had some nagging injuries, and it was obvious he took some plays off.

If you can light a fire under him he can be a monster though..very good athlete.

Primetime21
05-06-2008, 10:36 PM
If you can light a fire under him he can be a monster though..very good athlete.

It seems every game I watch of him he plays with crazy rage. And sometimes that rage even gets penalties called on him.

I really dont come off very impressed watching him but should be a good pick between 12-22.

CC.SD
05-07-2008, 02:37 AM
Vernon Davis is grossly insulted.

No chance! Mario is a tiny god in terms of what he can do with that kind of athleticism, quickness and size. He should be leafing from rooftops and fighting crime instead of playing in the NFL.

Vernon is good, but...human. Plus his arms are short, and he's way too smug for a player who hasn't done anything! He went out of his way to say that he's better than Gates, a long time ago. I haven't seen it on the field yet.

Sniper
05-07-2008, 12:55 PM
No chance! Mario is a tiny god in terms of what he can do with that kind of athleticism, quickness and size. He should be leafing from rooftops and fighting crime instead of playing in the NFL.

Vernon is good, but...human. Plus his arms are short, and he's way too smug for a player who hasn't done anything! He went out of his way to say that he's better than Gates, a long time ago. I haven't seen it on the field yet.

Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 at the Combine. 4.38! 4% body fat, 255 lbs of rock. He's the man. He is not human.

Vernon Davis: 6'3, 255 lbs,4.38 40 (absurd), 4.17 short shuttle, 7.0 3 cone, 42" vert, 33 reps, Broad jump of 10' 8"
Mario Williams: 6'7, 295 lbs, 4.66 40, 4.36 short shuttle (Jesus Christ!), 7-8% BF, 7.19 3 cone, 40.5" vert, 35 reps, 10 foot broad jump

Let's face it, they're both freaks. VD is stronger pound for pound and he wins the bench press, body fat, speed, and broad jump, while Williams wins the COD/agility aspect. Both studs.

As far as his comments and production go, you have to admit his supporting cast sucks donkey dick. Frank Gore is good, but not LT. The SF OL is atrocious, and Alex Smith is a bust. Compare that to the Chargers OL and Phil Rivers, and you're really not giving VD an even playing field.

Jughead10
05-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 at the Combine. 4.38! 4% body fat, 255 lbs of rock. He's the man. He is not human.

Vernon Davis: 6'3, 255 lbs,4.38 40 (absurd), 4.17 short shuttle, 7.0 3 cone, 42" vert, 33 reps, Broad jump of 10' 8"
Mario Williams: 6'7, 295 lbs, 4.66 40, 4.36 short shuttle (Jesus Christ!), 7-8% BF, 7.19 3 cone, 40.5" vert, 35 reps, 10 foot broad jump

Let's face it, they're both freaks. VD is stronger pound for pound and he wins the bench press, body fat, speed, and broad jump, while Williams wins the COD/agility aspect. Both studs.

As far as his comments and production go, you have to admit his supporting cast sucks donkey dick. Frank Gore is good, but not LT. The SF OL is atrocious, and Alex Smith is a bust. Compare that to the Chargers OL and Phil Rivers, and you're really not giving VD an even playing field.

The only difference between the two really is that a Mario Williams is a very good football player, and Vernon Davis not so much.

Sniper
05-07-2008, 01:02 PM
The only difference between the two really is that a Mario Williams is a very good football player, and Vernon Davis not so much.

I wasn't comparing their football abilities. Just their physical gifts. And I think Davis is very talented, he just needs to get a QB that can consistently get him the ball and an OL that will keep said-QB on his feet. Alex Smith is terrible and the Niners' OL is putrid. Davis still had a decent but not great sophomore year with 500+ yards and 4 TD. While his YPC sucked (<10), 30 of his 52 catches went for first downs.

jnew76
05-07-2008, 01:29 PM
I firmly believe that Tyson Jackson is not even the best prospect on that Defensive Line. I think that Ricky Jean-Francois is the premier Defensive Lineman as far as talent goes on the LSU team. He has the ability to play the 3-Tech or even could transition to a 3-4 DE in the NFL depending on how he develops. I think that RJF will have a seriously tough time getting past his previous character concerns and might not be drafted in the top 15 due to them, but I think RJF > TJ.

Sniper
05-07-2008, 01:30 PM
I firmly believe that Tyson Jackson is not even the best prospect on that Defensive Line. I think that Ricky Jean-Francois is the premier Defensive Lineman as far as talent goes on the LSU team. He has the ability to play the 3-Tech or even could transition to a 3-4 DE in the NFL depending on how he develops. I think that RJF will have a seriously tough time getting past his previous character concerns and might not be drafted in the top 15 due to them, but I think RJF > TJ.

Isn't RJF the guy who ate OSU's OL for breakfast in the NC game?

BroadwayJoe10
05-07-2008, 01:37 PM
I wasn't comparing their football abilities. Just their physical gifts. And I think Davis is very talented, he just needs to get a QB that can consistently get him the ball and an OL that will keep said-QB on his feet. Alex Smith is terrible and the Niners' OL is putrid. Davis still had a decent but not great sophomore year with 500+ yards and 4 TD. While his YPC sucked (<10), 30 of his 52 catches went for first downs.

I don't doubt his physical abilities, but there comes a time when he's going to have to take the blame for his poor performances instead of his supporting cast. I've seen him run wrong routes numerous times because he doesn't know the playbook, miss blocks because once again he wasn't sure of the playbook and yet he still acts like he's putting up double digit tds and 1000 yards a season. He has all the potential, and i know you were just mentioning his physical gifts, which are amazing, but i just won't view him as a good TE until he shows me something.

Sniper
05-07-2008, 01:41 PM
I don't doubt his physical abilities, but there comes a time when he's going to have to take the blame for his poor performances instead of his supporting cast. I've seen him run wrong routes numerous times because he doesn't know the playbook, miss blocks because once again he wasn't sure of the playbook and yet he still acts like he's putting up double digit tds and 1000 yards a season. He has all the potential, and i know you were just mentioning his physical gifts, which are amazing, but i just won't view him as a good TE until he shows me something.

I'm not saying he runs Jerry Rice-routes and blocks like Jason Witten, but there's something to be said for how bad Alex Smith is. Is he cocky? Sure. Is he talented? Definitely. I feel as if he gets his mental aspect on the same wavelength as his awesome physical skills, he could be the most dominant TE in the league. He's still raw and young, but his potential is immense. I expect him to flourish under Martz. That is, if the QBs don't get killed first. As of right now, he's an average TE with unquestionable potential.

jnew76
05-07-2008, 02:04 PM
Isn't RJF the guy who ate OSU's OL for breakfast in the NC game?

That was him... He also dominated in the SEC Championship game. those were the only two games he was eligible to play this year.

PackerLegend
05-07-2008, 02:27 PM
He doesn't like like his is 290 more of 270 even then he only likes he would run a high 4.8

Uhhh what??? O wait I get it.... Like like he like 270>290 like he like =4.8 like.

TigerBait45
05-07-2008, 02:33 PM
Jean-Francois is ridiculous. That guy is going to be a super, super player. Versatile enough to play all over the line, strong enough to do whatever he wants with you..I love him.

Jughead10
05-07-2008, 02:35 PM
Jean-Francois is ridiculous. That guy is going to be a super, super player. Versatile enough to play all over the line, strong enough to do whatever he wants with you..I love him.

Would you say Justin Tuck-esque?

saintsfan912
05-07-2008, 02:45 PM
I firmly believe that Tyson Jackson is not even the best prospect on that Defensive Line. I think that Ricky Jean-Francois is the premier Defensive Lineman as far as talent goes on the LSU team. He has the ability to play the 3-Tech or even could transition to a 3-4 DE in the NFL depending on how he develops. I think that RJF will have a seriously tough time getting past his previous character concerns and might not be drafted in the top 15 due to them, but I think RJF > TJ.

And what are those character concerns?

TigerBait45
05-07-2008, 02:54 PM
Would you say Justin Tuck-esque?

I'm not all that familiar with Tuck, but hte Giants put him all over the line on passing downs, right?

P-L
05-07-2008, 03:00 PM
I'm a huge fan of Tyson Jackson, but I'd really like to see him produce more. He did get after the QB pretty well last year (10 Hurries), but he could only manage 3.5 sacks. I'd like to see him at least approach double digit sacks this year. I know he can do it, because he had 8 sacks his sophomore year.

Paranoidmoonduck
05-07-2008, 04:17 PM
Early on last season, I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to say that Jackson and Glenn Dorsey were the most disruptive duo on any defensive line in the country. However, as Dorsey fell off, Jackson pretty much disappeared. He has all the ability to be a top ten pick (he most certainly is not, however, another Mario Williams), but he needs to really step up and consistently produce this year for the Tigers.

DraftKidWonder
05-10-2008, 07:30 PM
I'll show you some love. Tyson Jackson is a pure football player and can dominate a game at a LE position where they would refuse to run to him. On top of that, he has to be accounted for on every pass play.

I can hear Marvin Lewis tanking another season right now. Jackson to Bengals.
+ rep

renegade
10-29-2008, 04:40 PM
ahaha wow... umm... since this is one of the few Incredible Draft Dude threads still open I think this is ok to post here but 'IDD' do you think before you post? (The 1st post in this thread was one of your better posts sadly)

No, Tyson can not go #1 overall IMO he just doesn't have the pass rushing capabilities of the 'freaks' like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams and the soon to be Carlos Dunlap and Daquan Bowers. Jackson could be a good LE but I think that is his limit, not enough pass rushing skills IMO. He is good against the run but most teams want their DE's to get some pressure on the QB. I think he is similar to former LSU D-Linemen and current Cowboy Marcus Spears.

giantsfan
10-29-2008, 05:42 PM
ahaha wow... umm... since this is one of the few Incredible Draft Dude threads still open I think this is ok to post here but 'IDD' do you think before you post? (The 1st post in this thread was one of your better posts sadly)

No, Tyson can not go #1 overall IMO he just doesn't have the pass rushing capabilities of the 'freaks' like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams and the soon to be Carlos Dunlap and Daquan Bowers. Jackson could be a good LE but I think that is his limit, not enough pass rushing skills IMO. He is good against the run but most teams want their DE's to get some pressure on the QB. I think he is similar to former LSU D-Linemen and current Cowboy Marcus Spears.

I think he could be very effective doing what tuck has been doing for the gmen. Starting at LE to shut down the run to the outside and on passing downs slide inside so that a situational rusher can take his edge spot. That said I see him as a worse but healthier version of Phil Merling who was the first pick of round two last year.

STARHEATHER
10-29-2008, 07:23 PM
first overall probably not. id use a top ten. i doubt he goes that high. theyre starting to let him do the freaky stuff again. dropping in coverage all that stuff. hes doing a decent job getting to the qb. hes the best 3-4 end prospect for the last couple years. hes more loike 6 4 than 6 6 but he has the tools. hes worth a top 10 for me most likely drafted mid late first early second. i think he could work out pretty fast helping his stock. very agile and loose hipped.

bored of education
10-29-2008, 07:41 PM
He is no Jordyzzz

MarioPalmer
10-29-2008, 10:59 PM
Wow homer alert! Jackson #1 Overall? What a joke. How is he in the conversation of a top 5 pick? He won't run a 4.6 or 4.7 speed. A 3-4 OLB? Are you kidding? Please tell me thats a mistake and you mis-wrote that. Thats just laughable to think that he at 6'5 290lbs. will have the ability to rush off the edge in a 3-4. This guy is Marcus Spears 2.0 or at absolute best an Adam Carriker clone if he plays in the 4-3 and will be happy with falling in the top 25 of the draft.

He is no where near the elite class of a Mario Williams. Mario is an once in a life time player, the new prototype that along with Julius Peppers have revolutionized the 4-3 DE position. Jackson doesn't come anywhere near their athletic and talent level, and to try and compare him to those two is an insult to both Peppers and Williams.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to completely ignore you since I just peeked at your rep level which could quite possibly the all time lowest for the amount of posts you have made, which makes me think your either looking to be flamed, which is just sad, or you really truely believe this garbage that your spewing. Jackson couldn't touch Mario Williams so I'd appreciate you never comparing those two again for fear of embaressing yourself some more.

STARHEATHER
10-29-2008, 11:14 PM
im going to have to disagree, not about him playing lb. but i think i undersdtand the point. hes very loose hipped and agile for a player that size. he can play insdide or outside in a 3 or 4 man line. and he can cover people. i saw one hgame he dropped 20 yds in coverage against a te and defensed a pass. he has safety hips. hes no the hugest space eater but hes big enough and does a noce job stacking the corner. hes a very verstaile player who can play in multiple positions in multiple situations. other than a top T or qb or terrence cody i dont know if id pick anyone ahead.most of the pundits have him pegged late first area. hes playing out of position and hes doing well i mean you dont see any other 290 lb guys getting double digit sacks in multiple games and beating tackles off the edge. you dont see any other 290 guys dropping off in coverage. and he handles his required responsibilites. he may not run 4.7s but he might. hes going to show a lot in the speed and agility areas compared to the others. i wouldnt say he was the perfect 3-4 de, but he has most of the traits and has a high versatility factor. you can do a lot of things with your dl when you have him out there

renegade
10-29-2008, 11:23 PM
im going to have to disagree, not about him playing lb. but i think i undersdtand the point. hes very loose hipped and agile for a player that size. he can play insdide or outside in a 3 or 4 man line. and he can cover people. i saw one hgame he dropped 20 yds in coverage against a te and defensed a pass. he has safety hips. hes no the hugest space eater but hes big enough and does a noce job stacking the corner. hes a very verstaile player who can play in multiple positions in multiple situations. other than a top T or qb or terrence cody i dont know if id pick anyone ahead.most of the pundits have him pegged late first area. hes playing out of position and hes doing well i mean you dont see any other 290 lb guys getting double digit sacks in multiple games and beating tackles off the edge. you dont see any other 290 guys dropping off in coverage. and he handles his required responsibilites. he may not run 4.7s but he might. hes going to show a lot in the speed and agility areas compared to the others. i wouldnt say he was the perfect 3-4 de, but he has most of the traits and has a high versatility factor. you can do a lot of things with your dl when you have him out there

IDD or Heather?

I say IDD > Heather.

BTW are you serious? Tyson Jackson as a LB?

Dam8610
10-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Could he go numbero uno? He has freaksize (6'6 - 295 lbs), and could probably play all positions on the line in any system. With 4.6 speed he could also be used as a oLB'er in the 3-4 (A mismatch waiting to happen.)

Do u think he is versatile enough to go number one?

Really? You, talking about someone having speed? I'm incredibly disappointed. How could you not want him to bulk up 50 pounds and play 3-4 NT?

Solomon
10-30-2008, 12:58 AM
IDD or Heather?

I say IDD > Heather.

BTW are you serious? Tyson Jackson as a LB?

I'm pretty sure he specifically said he did not agree with the part about him playing LB he just pointed out that Jackson can play all positions on the D-Line. For the most part I agree with StarHeather actually. I think Jackson is more of a #20-#40 type prospect but his versatility certainly is appealing, he has shown the ability to drop back in coverage and he could go in the top 15 if a team falls in love with him.

renegade
10-30-2008, 01:07 AM
im going to have to disagree, not about him playing lb. but i think i undersdtand the point. hes very loose hipped and agile for a player that size. he can play insdide or outside in a 3 or 4 man line. and he can cover people. i saw one hgame he dropped 20 yds in coverage against a te and defensed a pass. he has safety hips. hes no the hugest space eater but hes big enough and does a noce job stacking the corner. hes a very verstaile player who can play in multiple positions in multiple situations. other than a top T or qb or terrence cody i dont know if id pick anyone ahead.most of the pundits have him pegged late first area. hes playing out of position and hes doing well i mean you dont see any other 290 lb guys getting double digit sacks in multiple games and beating tackles off the edge. you dont see any other 290 guys dropping off in coverage. and he handles his required responsibilites. he may not run 4.7s but he might. hes going to show a lot in the speed and agility areas compared to the others. i wouldnt say he was the perfect 3-4 de, but he has most of the traits and has a high versatility factor. you can do a lot of things with your dl when you have him out there

really? a 6'5" 290 lb. defensive end is loose hipped and agile?

He can drop into coverage and you've seen him do so? So the LSU team drops a DE into coverage? I highly doubt that and then that DE is 295 lbs. and runs a 4.8? They really dropped that guy into coverage?

I have to disagree on the point that he can play any position, sure he could play them but could he play them well? Would he be a good RE? Probably Not? How about a 4-3 NT? Chances are slim and a 3-4 NT? Highly Unlikely. He can play LE, UT and 3-4 DE.

Oh and a 290 lb. defensive end has hips like a safety?

Now I'm not bashing Jackson in any way but really I think you've embellished things quite a bit here.

Mr. Stiller
10-30-2008, 01:19 AM
I'm expecting Jackson to be around ...

6'3.5-6'5.5 282-296lbs and running in the 4.79-4.92 range.

I know that's pretty vague but I can't see him being much on either side of that.

More like

6'4.25, 289lbs and 4.84 is my educated guess.

Perfect fit for a 3-4 WDE or SDE

saintsfan912
10-30-2008, 07:05 AM
really? a 6'5" 290 lb. defensive end is loose hipped and agile?

He can drop into coverage and you've seen him do so? So the LSU team drops a DE into coverage? I highly doubt that and then that DE is 295 lbs. and runs a 4.8? They really dropped that guy into coverage?

I have to disagree on the point that he can play any position, sure he could play them but could he play them well? Would he be a good RE? Probably Not? How about a 4-3 NT? Chances are slim and a 3-4 NT? Highly Unlikely. He can play LE, UT and 3-4 DE.

Oh and a 290 lb. defensive end has hips like a safety?

Now I'm not bashing Jackson in any way but really I think you've embellished things quite a bit here.

Actually he has dropped into coverage a few times this year. He's no slouch back there either. Very good instincts in coverage suprisingly. Definitely not worth a top 10 pick though, probably not even top 15.

giantsfan
10-30-2008, 07:22 AM
first overall probably not. id use a top ten. i doubt he goes that high. theyre starting to let him do the freaky stuff again. dropping in coverage all that stuff. hes doing a decent job getting to the qb. hes the best 3-4 end prospect for the last couple years. hes more loike 6 4 than 6 6 but he has the tools. hes worth a top 10 for me most likely drafted mid late first early second. i think he could work out pretty fast helping his stock. very agile and loose hipped.

Just wondering but how do you think he compares to Phillip Merling, DL out of clemson from last year?

IDD or Heather?

I say IDD > Heather.

BTW are you serious? Tyson Jackson as a LB?

Heather > IDD, real man doesn't need paragraphs to make his point, he'll just e-beat it into your head.

bored of education
10-30-2008, 08:22 AM
Could be Ty Warren v2.0 but a bit more athletic IMO. but i dont think he has the work ethic and football iq to do so.

villagewarrior
10-30-2008, 01:09 PM
I only like him as a 3-4 end and those guys don't go at the top of the draft

Where did Richard Seymour go? Too lazy to look it up but I believe he was top 12 wasn't he?

bored of education
10-30-2008, 01:17 PM
Where did Richard Seymour go? Too lazy to look it up but I believe he was top 12 wasn't he?

Ty Warren went 13th?

renegade
10-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Actually he has dropped into coverage a few times this year. He's no slouch back there either. Very good instincts in coverage suprisingly. Definitely not worth a top 10 pick though, probably not even top 15.

well then I stand corrected and impressed, a 290 lb. DE in coverage. :eek:

STARHEATHER
10-30-2008, 10:50 PM
yes its true. they drop him in coverage. and not just one or twice a year. generaly happens at least 5 times per game. i think his lack of fit for certain teams hurts his draft order status. i like his natural athleticism. hes a very natural athlete. very loose. and like i said. you dont see any other 290 guys beating tackles off the corner. he does things other guys cant do. cant play lb. not that explosive off the edge, although he can play end/olb surely in spot duty and in certain situations if needed. i see for most part an interior player at the nfl level. just one you can move around and use in multiple ways

CroomDawgs
10-30-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm too tired to read so I may be off but am I understanding correctly that STARHEATHER thinks Jackson can play LB?

Solomon
10-31-2008, 03:19 AM
I'm too tired to read so I may be off but am I understanding correctly that STARHEATHER thinks Jackson can play LB?

Nope, you're not understanding correctly. You should probably read starheather's post when you're not this tired.

Unbiased
11-06-2008, 05:48 PM
Why not put TJ at corner? He'd be a taller Jimmy Williams.

Loggerhead
11-06-2008, 06:00 PM
Put him at runningback he would know what the D-Line is thinking.

Unbiased
11-06-2008, 06:11 PM
Put him at runningback he would know what the D-Line is thinking.

Perhaps a situational QB/punter. He could line up at QB, but if he doesn't like what he sees, just punt it away.

Now you might be saying, "Unbiased, it's only 2nd down, blah, blah, blah," but I say, give them the ball. You know why? Because Tyson Jackson is my dominating 6'6" 295 lb cornerback.

Mr. Offseason
11-06-2008, 07:55 PM
I'm too tired to read so I may be off but am I understanding correctly that STARHEATHER thinks Jackson can play LB?

i know im a horrible person for this but your avatar is absolutely hilarious. lol

and lol@ this thread.

katnip
11-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Wow! They drop him in coverage. I just saw Albert Haynesworth do it

Loggerhead
11-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Now you might be saying, "Unbiased, it's only 2nd down, blah, blah, blah," but I say, give them the ball. You know why? Because Tyson Jackson is my dominating 6'6" 295 lb cornerback.[QUOTE]
Tyson Jackson is like Jordyzzzzzzzzzzzzzz he can return punts like Hester, play LB, RB,CB, and everywhere else on the field, I haven't seen a better athlete since Jordyzzzzzzzzzz.

SenorGato
11-07-2008, 01:35 AM
Where did Richard Seymour go? Too lazy to look it up but I believe he was top 12 wasn't he?

He went 6th overall in '01.