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bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:39 AM
let's build a team using ppl that were never elected to the PB or were considered All Pro. This should be interesting. Must be in the league for a minimum of 3 years.

QB - Eli Manning - NYG

FB - Heath Evans - NE
HB - Ronnie Brown - MIA

LT - Michael Roos - TEN
LG - Eric Steinbach - CIN
C - Chris Spencer - SEA
RG - Chris Snee - NYG
RT - Kareem McKenzie - NYG

WR - Plaxico Burress - NYG
WR - Lee Evans - BUF

TE - Heath Miller - PIT

LE: Justin Tuck - NYG
DT: Ty Warren - NE
DT: Corey Williams - CLE
RE: Shaun Phillips - SD

WILL: Derek Johnson - KC
MIKE: EJ Henderson - MIN
SAM: Michael Boley - ATL

CB: Nmandi Asomugha - OAK
CB: Quentin Jammer - SD
SS: Chris Hope - CLE
FS: Oshiomogho Atogwe - STL

This is harder than I thought. I don't want to flood the team with rookies and sophomores.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 11:43 AM
Take off Diehl and put in Snee.

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 11:44 AM
Asomugha made the Pro Bowl. Just didn't play cause of injury

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 11:44 AM
RT - Marc Colombo

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:44 AM
Take off Diehl and put in Snee.

Snee made the PB once. Im referring to ppl who never made the PB or were all pro.


that makes it a lot more difficult.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:45 AM
Asomugha made the Pro Bowl. Just didn't play cause of injury

he did? was he elected? or was he an alternate? ill include ppl who made it as injury alternates to make it a little easier.

Hines
05-06-2008, 11:46 AM
Heath Miller at tight end. I think Winslow went last season.

21ST
05-06-2008, 11:47 AM
London Fletcher at MLB and LaRon Landry at SS and Randy Thomas at RG

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 11:47 AM
he did? was he elected? or was he an alternate? ill include ppl who made it as injury alternates to make it a little easier.

Ah, well at first i thought he had gotten voted in, but he was a first alternate.

I don't know how you wanna do that.. It's your thread. lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2761195

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 11:47 AM
Snee made the PB once. Im referring to ppl who never made the PB or were all pro.


that makes it a lot more difficult.

I'm pretty positive Snee has never made it.

NIN1984
05-06-2008, 11:48 AM
Mathis got hurt than Asomugha was going to take his place but couldn't find a flight in time. So no, Asomugha never played in a Pro Bowl.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Added Snee and changed Winslow to Miller. Kept Nmandi, he gets a pass since he's been in the league for awhile and was only first alternate once.

awfullyquiet
05-06-2008, 11:49 AM
this is really hard.

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Ernie Sims at WILL.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:50 AM
London Fletcher at MLB and LaRon Landry at SS and Randy Thomas at RG

Landry is too young for now. Ill hold off on adding so many young guys for now.

Ill put Fletcher in and if someone finds a better candidate ill remove him for that.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Mike Karney ever make the PB? I like him a lot at FB.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:51 AM
i added the requirement that they must be in the league for at least 3 years, which will exclude a lot of young guys.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 11:52 AM
Nevermind.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:52 AM
Mike Karney ever make the PB? I like him a lot at FB.

all pro in 2006.

d34ng3l021
05-06-2008, 11:53 AM
Roddy White - WR, Atlanta Falcons

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:54 AM
this is tough. Im adding Channing Crowder to WILL unless someone can think of anyone better.

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 11:55 AM
this is tough. Im adding Channing Crowder to WILL unless someone can think of anyone better.

You would take Crowder over Ernie Sims?

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:56 AM
You would take Crowder over Ernie Sims?

Hasn't Simms been in the league for only 2 years?

NIN1984
05-06-2008, 11:57 AM
off the top of my head..

CB - Quentin Jammer
WILL - Thomas Howard
OG - Jahri Evans
OT - Michael Ross

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 11:57 AM
Kelly Gregg at NT?

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 11:58 AM
Hasn't Simms been in the league for only 2 years?

Ah yeah hes only played two years. Didn't see that stipulation.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 11:59 AM
i was curious as to why the flood of giants but now i see it was BBD who started it, lol.

anyway, i think desmond clark should deserve a little consideration for TE. At least bring up his name...

also maybe a mention of alex brown at DE. there are probably more deserving guys if i chose to look them up but im about as lazy as cedric benson right now having just finished a final....

browns a good all around DE who was a steal for the bears in the mid rounds quite a few years ago now. he lost his starting job to mark anderson last year because he was a better pure pass rusher but our run defense suffered as a result

so i say brown until someone points out someone better

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:00 PM
Cory Redding at UT? Didn't have the sack totals last year, but still made an impact.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:01 PM
oh, and isnt this only mario's 3rd year? he shouldnt count anymore

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Corey Williams at UT

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:03 PM
who's our running back?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:04 PM
thomas jones as a HB? i dont think he ever made the pro bowl....or at least i dont recall it, and he wouldnt have been an injury replacement at that if he was....idk....but if he hasnt made a pro bowl, he should be considered at HB at least.

and i still say alex brown at DE until 2 better ones pop up.

Hines
05-06-2008, 12:04 PM
I don't think James Farrior has been to a pro bowl or been all pro.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:05 PM
who's our running back?

That's tough. Thomas Jones? He ever make the Pro Bowl?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:06 PM
I don't think James Farrior has been to a pro bowl or been all pro.

http://news.steelers.com/team/player/49217/

he was voted in 2004 according to that.

btw, easy was to figure out if a guy has ever made the pro bowl, just google his name and "pro bowl" after it. its worked for all the guys i looked up so far

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:06 PM
added Alex Brown, Ronnie Brown is our RB

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:07 PM
added Alex Brown, Ronnie Brown is our RB

awesome on alex.

and i know ronnie fits the bill of 3 years, but 2 of those he was hurt for a chunk of....the jury is still out a little on him imo.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:07 PM
awesome on alex.

and i know ronnie fits the bill of 3 years, but 2 of those he was hurt for a chunk of....the jury is still out a little on him imo.

Yeah i know, but I think he's our best option as far as talent goes. I think he turned the corner personally.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:08 PM
How did I forget Justin Tuck! :)

Lol, loading up the roster with Giants, but you have to admit, all the Giants Ive added are well deserving.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:09 PM
Yeah i know, but I think he's our best option as far as talent goes. I think he turned the corner personally.

i wont disagree talent wise. id like to see a year of him fully healthy...maybe next year. we know that team is going to have to run a lot...

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:09 PM
How did I forget Justin Tuck! :)

Lol, loading up the roster with Giants, but you have to admit, all the Giants Ive added are well deserving.

I was going to say him. I was trying to think of guys who are thre years in the league and have had double digit sack seasons recently that haven't made it at some time in their career.

FloridaFootball
05-06-2008, 12:10 PM
London Fletcher - MLB
LaRon Landry - FS

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:11 PM
I was going to say him. I was trying to think of guys who are thre years in the league and have had double digit sack seasons recently that haven't made it at some time in their career.

that was reallly hard...most guys who get double digit sacks make it i think. thats why i could only think of brown since hes pretty well rounded...

im trying to find safeties and its really frickin hard....everyone im coming up with has made it, lol

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:12 PM
Oshiomogho Atogwe for free safety. 9 INTS last year.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:12 PM
Is Michael Roos our LT?

CC.SD
05-06-2008, 12:12 PM
Shaun Phillips would be awesome as a situational pass rusher/3-4 LB, and he's never made it.

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:13 PM
Antoine Bethea for safety? I think he might have been called up to the pro bowl for an injury but I'm not certain on that.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:14 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/jermainephillips/profile?id=PHI303700

jermaine phillips for SS id say. hes pretty beastly and hasnt made one i dont think

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:17 PM
im gonna come back to this thread in a few, let's keep the convo goin in the meantime.

if any mods want to edit my team feel free to do so during this time.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:17 PM
since we don't have anyone else right now, how about jason mckie at FB? hes been around for 5 years i think and hasn't made the pro bowl

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:17 PM
Sean Jones ever make one?

NIN1984
05-06-2008, 12:18 PM
What about Sean Jones for SS

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:18 PM
Kerry Rhodes and Sean Jones at both Safety positions everyone?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:18 PM
if we're looking for more of a rushing FB what about greg jones of jacksonville? i know he was hurt for the one entire season but i've always liked him when ive seen him play

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:18 PM
Kerry Rhodes and Sean Jones at both Safety positions everyone?

I think Kerry finally made one.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:19 PM
I think Kerry finally made one.

i was gonna say i thought he did too....

i still think jermaine phillips of the bucs could be one. at least 84 tackles and at least 4 picks both of the last 2 years and im pretty sure he didnt make one

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:20 PM
Thoughts on FB and RT?

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:22 PM
Alex Barron for RT maybe. mehhh. I still think maybe Atogwe for FS. Not sure though.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:23 PM
Thoughts on FB and RT?

i mentioned jason mckie and greg jones as possible FBs, dunno what the consensus opinion is on them though...

and RT...hmm...i dont think john tait has ever made one. he'll be playing RT from here on out with chris williams in town and thats his natural side anyway

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:23 PM
RT, Ryan Diem?

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:24 PM
I'd even say Heath Evans at FB. Kind of versatile. Can actually carry the ball when needed 10 times a game or so.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:25 PM
Oshiomogho Atogwe is our FS for now. I like the heath evans pick, we'll go with that at FB.

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:25 PM
Nick Kaczur also.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:26 PM
Who is the RT for the Packers? Has he ever made the PB?

And we need a Center too.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:28 PM
Who is the RT for the Packers? Has he ever made the PB?

And we need a Center too.

Jeff Faine or Shaun O'Hara?

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:28 PM
Who is the RT for the Packers? Has he ever made the PB?

And we need a Center too.

Mark Tauscher hasn't made a prowbowl.

katnip
05-06-2008, 12:28 PM
for center put the Jets Nick Mangold

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:29 PM
Mart Tauscher is their RT I believe, no idea about PB's

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:29 PM
I changed Diehl with Eric Steinbach. Forgot that he never made a PB.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:30 PM
Jeff Faine or Shaun O'Hara?

I was thinking Shaun O'Hara, but theres gotta be a non Giant we can put up there.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:31 PM
Mart Tauscher is their RT I believe, no idea about PB's

Im thinking this guy is our RT. He never made the PB.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:31 PM
i saw someone mention mangold. if hes been around 3 years then i think he has a talent advantage over a lot of other guys...

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Unless you guys feel comfortable with Kareem McKenzie? :)

Flyboy
05-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Colston at WR, Jahri Evans at RG.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:32 PM
I was thinking Shaun O'Hara, but theres gotta be a non Giant we can put up there.

Thats why I said Faine. O'Hara has been an alternate a few times. The only reason I said him.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Colston at WR, Jahri Evans at RG.

colston was there but he hasnt been around 3 seasons yet

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:33 PM
Colston at WR, Jahri Evans at RG.

blasphemy, Snee has RG on lock.

And they have to be in the league for 3 years minimum, so no dice on Colston. I had him on there, but after the 3 year requirement took him off.

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:33 PM
Colston at WR, Jahri Evans at RG.

I agree on Evans, he's a stud.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:34 PM
evans played at bloomsburg...not far from where im from. i have to like him a little, lol

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:34 PM
I added Faine. Im considering taking Tauscher off for McKenzie, bc McKenzie is actually a damn good RT who never made the PB. But Im curious to hear everyone else's thoughts on that.

Evans is a beast, but Snee is better.

Flyboy
05-06-2008, 12:34 PM
Jeff Faine or Shaun O'Hara?

Jeff Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate in 2006...

Flyboy
05-06-2008, 12:35 PM
blasphemy, Snee has RG on lock.


Evans > Snee. :)

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:35 PM
I added Faine. Im considering taking Tauscher off for McKenzie, bc McKenzie is actually a damn good RT who never made the PB. But Im curious to hear everyone else's thoughts on that.

Evans is a beast, but Snee is better.

eh, we're pretty giant heavy there already...lol. tauschers not bad or anything...i dont really care either way i guess

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:36 PM
damn we need a center :( this was pretty tough.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:37 PM
eh, we're pretty giant heavy there already...lol. tauschers not bad or anything...i dont really care either way i guess

we have underrated players :)

is tauscher very solid? he stands out as solid to me, but Im not sure if he's better than McKenzie.

McKenzie is actually one of the better pure RTs in the game right now.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:37 PM
I have to think there is a better option than Roddy White.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:39 PM
damn we need a center :( this was pretty tough.

i thought i had a great one in nick hardwick of the chargers but the bastard had to go and make the pro bowl in 06.....grrr!

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:39 PM
I have to think there is a better option than Roddy White.

Lee Evans? Did he make the PB?

Flyboy
05-06-2008, 12:40 PM
I have to think there is a better option than Roddy White.

In the three year rule in place, I would say no.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Screw it, Im putting McKenzie at RT :p

Scotty D
05-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Joey Galloway for WR

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:41 PM
how about chris spencer of the seahawks at center? this will be his 4th year and hes never made the pro bowl

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:41 PM
I have to think there is a better option than Roddy White.

Has Joe Jurevicius made a PB?

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:41 PM
Gibril Wilson is technically a Raider now....FS anyone?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:42 PM
Has Joe Jurevicius made a PB?

i dont think so....hes one of my sentimental favorites....ever....but hes not better than roddy white

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:42 PM
Has Joe Jurevicius made a PB?

No but he shouldn't be on it. Did Lee Evans make one? If he didn't, BBD is right. It should be him.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:42 PM
Chris Spencer is our C for now.

Did Lee Evans ever make a PB?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Gibril Wilson is technically a Raider now....FS anyone?

if he was really that great would the giants have let him walk? i mean...he probably would have taken a little less money to stay with the defending champs than go to that hellhole mess in oakland

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:44 PM
Chris Spencer is our C for now.

Did Lee Evans ever make a PB?

after a little research, i dont think he actuallly has....

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 12:44 PM
if he was really that great would the giants have let him walk? i mean...he probably would have taken a little less money to stay with the defending champs than go to that hellhole mess in oakland

He's from Oakland.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:45 PM
if he was really that great would the giants have let him walk? i mean...he probably would have taken a little less money to stay with the defending champs than go to that hellhole mess in oakland

Eh, we'll consider him a SS for now. He actually was damn good, but not worth top 3 money in the NFL at safety good.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:45 PM
He's from Oakland.

i guess it makes a little more sense then......if i had a choice though, id take less money to stay away from the raiders. people think they might be decent next year but i bet they find some way to **** it up

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 12:46 PM
Thoughts on Derrick Burgess at DE?

nvm, went to the PB

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:47 PM
Thoughts on Derrick Burgess at DE?

ehhh....how has he not made the pro bowl? didnt he lead the league in sacks one year?

btw.....3000!!! woot

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:49 PM
i think you should put the team next to the players, just for kicks. i know the giants have the most on there by far but it'd just be interesting to see em all at once

UKfan
05-06-2008, 12:51 PM
This team needs more Colts :( Marlin Jackson for CB!

Bigburt63
05-06-2008, 12:52 PM
ty warren 3-4DE 4-3DT. I dont believe he has ever made it and he is a stud.

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 12:57 PM
just some thoughts on the team as it is:

We have a sick pair of receivers. Speedy field stretcher, big play waiting to happen in Evans. nice, big target and red zone threat in Burress. Throw in Heath Miller too and we have good targets to throw to.

but we need to hope that Eli keeps his post season form moving into next year. Regression is not out of the question guys...remember, even as recently as before the playoffs last year, people were still wondering if Eli was going to stick or not.....

I think we have a good run blocking o-line that should get ronnie plenty of yards.

and i think our D is solid though a bit unspectacular. all the great pass rushers seem to make the pro bowl...but we have a group of good, all around d-liners. linebackers should be solid too

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 01:13 PM
Removed Gregg and put in Ty Warren, we'll go with a 2 DT setup opposed to a NT/UT setup.

Also put Shaun Phillips as RE, he can be considered a DE imo.

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 01:16 PM
Thoughts on Kirk Morrison? Should he replace London Fletcher?

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 01:18 PM
Also considering removing Kareem McKenzie for Ryan Diem of the Colts. Thoughts?

bigbluedefense
05-06-2008, 01:43 PM
EJ Henderson is the new MIKE. Forgot he never made a PB.

UKfan
05-06-2008, 01:43 PM
Also considering removing Kareem McKenzie for Ryan Diem of the Colts. Thoughts?

In all honesty, I'd probably say stick with Mckenzie, in spite of being a Colts fan. Diem was just a name who popped into my head for a good RT.

d34ng3l021
05-06-2008, 01:55 PM
I have to think there is a better option than Roddy White.

What?! No way. 83 receptions with 1200 yards with Harrington and Redman as his QBs? Impressive.

Jughead10
05-06-2008, 01:57 PM
What?! No way. 83 receptions with 1200 yards with Harrington and Redman as his QBs? Impressive.

One year though. He broke out this year and hopefully will continue to play at that level. But so far Evans has had a more impressive career with equally crappy QBs.

Wyndham
05-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Derrick Johnson (LB) should be on the list.

Flyboy
05-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Thoughts on Kirk Morrison? Should he replace London Fletcher?

In my imo, yes.

Gay Ork Wang
05-06-2008, 02:38 PM
London Fletcher > Kirk Morrison

d34ng3l021
05-06-2008, 02:40 PM
One year though. He broke out this year and hopefully will continue to play at that level. But so far Evans has had a more impressive career with equally crappy QBs.

Evans is way too inconsistent. I guess you could say the same about Roddy White though, cause we just dont know.

And Flyboy you just said: in my in my opinon yes

bored of education
05-06-2008, 02:46 PM
DERRICK JOHNSON

has Donnie Edwards made a pro bowl. I'm guessing he has.

Glenn Dorsey
Branden Albert
Brandon Flowers

UKfan
05-06-2008, 02:49 PM
DERRICK JOHNSON

has Donnie Edwards made a pro bowl. I'm guessing he has.

Glenn Dorsey
Branden Albert
Brandon Flowers

You really should read the front page, the whole no rookies thing...

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-06-2008, 03:13 PM
RT - Marc Colombo

How I would love to have him back in Chicago. If not for those knee injuries we never would have had to part ways.

GB12
05-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Are second team all pros and pro bowl altenates not eligible?

AllanO444
05-06-2008, 03:59 PM
David Thornton SLB for the Titans is a solid player...

TheGreatEscape
05-06-2008, 04:01 PM
Jason Peters at RT? He started there before LT.

I don't think Schobel's made one either.

TheGreatEscape
05-06-2008, 04:05 PM
Derrick Johnson at WILL Boley at SAM and Kirk Morrison at MIKE.

sodar21
05-06-2008, 04:06 PM
Most obvious one:

Antoine Winfield.

AllanO444
05-06-2008, 04:08 PM
I'd say Chirs Hope at SS is better than Sean Jones...

SuperMcGee
05-06-2008, 04:15 PM
Jason Peters at RT? He started there before LT.

I don't think Schobel's made one either.

Both have made it for sure

Only Bill with a case (besides Evans) under the stipulations is probably Crowell. Dockery is good, too, but Steinbach might just be the best guard in the league in my eyes so I'm not about to make a case for DD.

As for RT, I'd just go back to Tauscher

neko4
05-06-2008, 04:17 PM
Landry is too young for now. Ill hold off on adding so many young guys for now.

Ill put Fletcher in and if someone finds a better candidate ill remove him for that.
I was gonna mention Barnett, but they finally gave him an all-pro selection this year!

TheGreatEscape
05-06-2008, 04:26 PM
Both have made it for sure

Only Bill with a case (besides Evans) under the stipulations is probably Crowell. Dockery is good, too, but Steinbach might just be the best guard in the league in my eyes so I'm not about to make a case for DD.

As for RT, I'd just go back to Tauscher

Hasn't Peters only been an alternate?

SuperMcGee
05-06-2008, 04:29 PM
Hasn't Peters only been an alternate?

He was the starting LT this year. But he didn't play due to injury.

CC.SD
05-06-2008, 04:49 PM
He was the starting LT this year. But he didn't play due to injury.

What about Marcus McNeill? oh wait, he hasn't MISSED a pro bowl. :D

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 04:55 PM
How is Kareem McKenzie better than Marc Colombo?

art vandelay
05-06-2008, 04:56 PM
Evans is way too inconsistent. I guess you could say the same about Roddy White though, cause we just dont know.

And Flyboy you just said: in my in my opinon yes

Way too inconsistent? How so? It's not like he drops passes or anything, he just hasn't a good QB throwing him the ball.

art vandelay
05-06-2008, 04:58 PM
K - Rian Lindell

Also, did Nnamdi make the Pro Bowl last year?

MetSox17
05-06-2008, 05:00 PM
Bradie James > EJ Henderson

art vandelay
05-06-2008, 05:01 PM
Both have made it for sure

Only Bill with a case (besides Evans) under the stipulations is probably Crowell. Dockery is good, too, but Steinbach might just be the best guard in the league in my eyes so I'm not about to make a case for DD.

As for RT, I'd just go back to Tauscher

What about McGee at KR or even CB over a guy like Jammer?

SuperMcGee
05-06-2008, 05:03 PM
McGee has been a Pro Bowl returner. 2004, I think.
But yeah, he's a good corner.

TitanHope
05-06-2008, 05:59 PM
Titans that I think are deserving are David Stewart and David Thornton. Actually, many people think higher of Stewart at RT than Roos at LT. Stewart is also lesser know playing in TN as a 5th RD pick than Mckenzie as a FA signing in NY. David Thornton definitely deserves it over Channing Crowder. Thornton has better statistics and is a true WLB.

Others that come to mind are Dunta Robinson, CB and Mike Peterson, MLB.

Tha Boss
05-06-2008, 07:38 PM
DJ Williams at will or mike. He is arguably better at mike than EJ and certainly a better will than crowder. If you also factor in that he has excelled at every linebacking spot in his short 4 year career, he is far superior to all of the candidates listed.

BlindSite
05-06-2008, 08:09 PM
Jordan Gross ought to be the starter at RT.

saintsfan912
05-06-2008, 08:21 PM
Jhari Evans and Marques Colston.

awfullyquiet
05-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Others that come to mind are Dunta Robinson, CB and Mike Peterson, MLB.

I definitely would take Mike Peterson.

TitanHope
05-06-2008, 08:44 PM
WLB: D.J. Williams
MLB: Mike Peterson
SLB: Michael Boley

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WLB: Channing Crowder
MLB: E.J. Henderson
SLB: Michael Boley

Jhari Evans and Marques Colston.

Both have been playing for less than 3 years. Only players drafted in '05 or before are elligible for this.

Jordan Gross ought to be the starter at RT.

He was a Sports Illustrated All-Pro in '03.

Yung Flippa
05-06-2008, 10:51 PM
No Kelly Gregg at DT?

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 11:03 PM
No Kelly Gregg at DT?

he was in there for a long time today. was replaced by warren

Hines
05-06-2008, 11:14 PM
CB Ike Taylor
DE Aaron Smith

BeerBaron
05-06-2008, 11:35 PM
CB Ike Taylor
DE Aaron Smith

im almost positive smith has made a pro bowl

Hines
05-06-2008, 11:53 PM
im almost positive smith has made a pro bowl

He was an injury replacement if that counts. If not, then he wasnt.

Caddy
05-07-2008, 12:08 AM
Joey Galloway at WR? or maybe Barrett Ruud at MLB?

Wyndham
05-07-2008, 04:19 PM
DJ Williams at will or mike. He is arguably better at mike than EJ and certainly a better will than crowder. If you also factor in that he has excelled at every linebacking spot in his short 4 year career, he is far superior to all of the candidates listed.

You're kidding, right?

DJ Williams was awful last year as a MLB, and all told he hasn't been much good since his rookie year. He can't hold EJ Henderson's jock.

neko4
05-07-2008, 04:21 PM
You're kidding, right?

DJ Williams was awful last year as a MLB, and all told he hasn't been much good since his rookie year. He can't hold EJ Henderson's jock.
Yeah he's part of the reason defense was so bad. Although EJ has a better supporting cast

yourfavestoner
05-07-2008, 04:46 PM
Mike Peterson at MLB FTW!!!!

AllanO444
05-07-2008, 05:49 PM
Titans that I think are deserving are David Stewart and David Thornton. Actually, many people think higher of Stewart at RT than Roos at LT. Stewart is also lesser know playing in TN as a 5th RD pick than Mckenzie as a FA signing in NY. David Thornton definitely deserves it over Channing Crowder. Thornton has better statistics and is a true WLB.

Others that come to mind are Dunta Robinson, CB and Mike Peterson, MLB.

David Thornton plays SLB. Bulluck is the WLB. But I agree with you about the David Stewart. He's a great RT who nobody knows...

rmg417
05-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Chris Hope is someone who has been overlooked. He's played great at SS for the last 3-4 years and is better than Sean Jones IMO.

bigbluedefense
05-07-2008, 06:11 PM
2 changes are being made:

-Throwing Derek Johnson at WILL and Chris Hope at SS.

d34ng3l021
05-07-2008, 06:16 PM
Lee Evans over Roddy White? Come on. Lamesauce.

bigbluedefense
05-07-2008, 06:18 PM
the consensus is Roddy White has to establish himself more before he earns that cred. Lee Evans put his work in, Roddy White has just one year. Its only fair.

d34ng3l021
05-07-2008, 06:20 PM
I guess. Lee Evans is just too streaky for my liking. He had only 3 games with 100 or more yards in his 1300 yard season. And 4 with less than 50. Roddy White in his 1200 yard season had 5 100+ yard games and 3 games with less than 50. I like his consistency more than Evans (who to me is just a deep threat).

PACKmanN
05-07-2008, 06:28 PM
nvm Barnett made the All-pro team.

SuperMcGee
05-07-2008, 07:11 PM
I guess. Lee Evans is just too streaky for my liking. He had only 3 games with 100 or more yards in his 1300 yard season. And 4 with less than 50. Roddy White in his 1200 yard season had 5 100+ yard games and 3 games with less than 50. I like his consistency more than Evans (who to me is just a deep threat).

Some thoughts of mine, hopefully coherent:
- Those stats are barely even distant from each other. Evans also had 3 games that year between 90-100 yards, so I'm not getting too caught up in that plateau, even as it may be. Maybe that's just me reaching here, but it's not far off.
- Evans had 24 TD in his first three years. White has 9.
- I don't think White's 2007 was so much more consistent than Evans' 2006. Lee was our best player in pretty much every game that year, it was a fantastic year for him throughout.
- Evans let off a good amount this past year, that's for sure. And yes, the Patriots own him. White had a great year, but I think one more until you can say he's better than Evans. Same deal for Evans: one more year like he just had and he would have no place in a discussion like this.
- I like White, quite a bit. He is that good. Just looking to see it continue, and hopefully and sensibly it will.

TitanHope
05-07-2008, 07:13 PM
David Thornton plays SLB. Bulluck is the WLB. But I agree with you about the David Stewart. He's a great RT who nobody knows...

I'm positive Thornton plays WLB and Bulluck plays SLB. It's why Bulluck is so impressive. Here (http://www.titansonline.com/press_box/depth_chart/index.php) is the link to the Titans official website's depth chart, which backs up my statements.

AllanO444
05-07-2008, 08:57 PM
I'm positive Thornton plays WLB and Bulluck plays SLB. It's why Bulluck is so impressive. Here (http://www.titansonline.com/press_box/depth_chart/index.php) is the link to the Titans official website's depth chart, which backs up my statements.

You are positively wrong. That link proves nothing. All it says is David Thornton - LLB and Keith Bulluck - RLB. Keith Bulluck has been the Titans starting weak side linebacker since 2002.

Here are numerous links reffering to Bulluck as a WLB and Thornton as a SLB.

"The Pro Bowl duo played in front of Bulluck and the beneficiary was David Thornton, who had 122 tackles as the Titans strongside linebacker."

http://mvn.com/nfl-titans/2008/01/24/titans-offseason-positional-review-outside-linebackers/

"Titans WLB Keith Bulluck missed three plays Sunday with an undisclosed injury."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=224

http://sports.aol.com/nfl-tennessee-titans/depth-chart

http://www.fannation.com/teams/depth_chart/10?sport_id=1

http://www.kffl.com/nfldc.php/36/NFL

Caddy
05-07-2008, 09:00 PM
the consensus is Roddy White has to establish himself more before he earns that cred. Lee Evans put his work in, Roddy White has just one year. Its only fair.

Joey Galloway is more established than Lee Evans and he has only ever been an alternate for the pro-bowl and hasn't actually attended/played in one.

PACKmanN
05-07-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm positive Thornton plays WLB and Bulluck plays SLB. It's why Bulluck is so impressive. Here (http://www.titansonline.com/press_box/depth_chart/index.php) is the link to the Titans official website's depth chart, which backs up my statements.

you do know that RLB means he plays on the weak side...

d34ng3l021
05-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Some thoughts of mine, hopefully coherent:
- Those stats are barely even distant from each other. Evans also had 3 games that year between 90-100 yards, so I'm not getting too caught up in that plateau, even as it may be. Maybe that's just me reaching here, but it's not far off.
- Evans had 24 TD in his first three years. White has 9.
- I don't think White's 2007 was so much more consistent than Evans' 2006. Lee was our best player in pretty much every game that year, it was a fantastic year for him throughout.
- Evans let off a good amount this past year, that's for sure. And yes, the Patriots own him. White had a great year, but I think one more until you can say he's better than Evans. Same deal for Evans: one more year like he just had and he would have no place in a discussion like this.
- I like White, quite a bit. He is that good. Just looking to see it continue, and hopefully and sensibly it will.

I guess each to his own. I dont see Evans as anything more than a deep threat or a guy who could grab a screen pass and take it the distance, but thats just me. (And btw, Evans had 15 TDs in his first 3 years).

SuperMcGee
05-07-2008, 09:40 PM
I guess each to his own. I dont see Evans as anything more than a deep threat or a guy who could grab a screen pass and take it the distance, but thats just me. (And btw, Evans had 15 TDs in his first 3 years).

It's definitely 24
9+7+8 = 24

d34ng3l021
05-07-2008, 09:43 PM
Oh my bad. I was looking at the stats upside down. I figured his 9 TD season would be his latest, not rookie season.

Damn. What a disappointing season this was then for him.

SuperMcGee
05-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Now that we can agree on.

Tha Boss
05-08-2008, 12:49 AM
You're kidding, right?

DJ Williams was awful last year as a MLB, and all told he hasn't been much good since his rookie year. He can't hold EJ Henderson's jock.

Ok so lets consider he probably had the worst pair of starting DTs in the league in front of him. Then lets consider this was his third position in four years. For kicks and giggles i guess we could also throw the two make shift linebackers to his left and right in there. I guess we could also mention that the defense has run about three different schemes in four years.

Now also think about the fact that we switched defenses in the MIDDLE of the season. What i cant gather is how could you be so ignorant to think that DJ cant hold hendersons jock, when he still managed to be second in the entire NFL in tackles as well as having a much above average 9 TFL, while being out of position mind you. Perhaps you should do a little bit of research before making an idiotic claim. Im also not sure how his season at mike equates to awful.

Rob S
05-08-2008, 05:56 AM
a homer pick perhaps, but.......angelo crowell at a LB spot, the man racks up numbers

Dam8610
05-08-2008, 06:01 AM
Dallas Clark at TE?

GermanSaint
05-08-2008, 07:04 AM
what about mike mckenzie ? i still donīt get tired mentioning him :)

PACKmanN
05-10-2008, 06:04 PM
I know Ryan Pickett doesn't get any sacks, but he is great at stopping the run and you could move Williams to UT, where he is suited and put Ryan at NT.

LonghornsLegend
05-10-2008, 07:17 PM
Burress has never been to the pro bowl? Thats ridiculous.

TimD
05-10-2008, 11:31 PM
Kerry RHODES! Two time snub. He had better stats than guys who made it over him and was more of an impact on his team. 1 year he was a big part of them making the playoffs. I guess he doesnt have the big name recognition or the long hair. bs