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Yung Flippa
05-11-2008, 03:27 PM
Who's got the best defense in the division?

Not trying to be a homer, but IMO Baltimore has the best.

1) Baltimore
2) Pittsburgh
3) Cleveland
4) Cincinnati

AkiliSmith
05-11-2008, 03:39 PM
1. Pittsburgh
2. Baltimore
3. Cincy
4. Cleveland

EdReedUnstoppable
05-11-2008, 03:41 PM
1a. Baltimore
1b. Pittsburgh
3. Cleveland
4. Cincinnati

WinslowEdwards19
05-11-2008, 05:25 PM
1. Pittsburgh
2. Baltimore
3. Cincy
4. Cleveland

Cincy above Cleveland? You're a moron

Hines
05-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Steelers
Ravens
Browns







Bengals

AkiliSmith
05-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Cincy above Cleveland? You're a moron
Moron huh.

Cincy had only 4 defensive players last season that played 16 games, and still managed to have a better defense than your turds. I don't buy the overpriced lineman you brought in, and you still have no pass rush or corners.

I hate delusional Browns fans.

Hines
05-11-2008, 08:29 PM
Moron huh.

Cincy had only 4 defensive players last season that played 16 games, and still managed to have a better defense than your turds. I don't buy the overpriced lineman you brought in, and you still have no pass rush or corners.

I hate delusional Browns fans.

You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

AkiliSmith
05-11-2008, 08:35 PM
You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

Better than Cleveland's. I wouldn't call Joseph and Hall no pass defense either. The lack of pass defense was mostly a product of no pass rush, which hopefully will be fixed with the addition of Odom and healthy Brooks.

Even with no defense we still managed to always beat you once a season....

Hines
05-11-2008, 08:38 PM
Better than Cleveland's. I wouldn't call Joseph and Hall no pass defense either. The lack of pass defense was mostly a product of no pass rush, which hopefully will be fixed with the addition of Odom and healthy Brooks.

Even with no defense we still managed to always beat you once a season....

Even though you didnt this past season.......

AkiliSmith
05-11-2008, 08:40 PM
Even though you didnt this past season.......

Damn I thought we did.... disregard

themaninblack
05-11-2008, 09:23 PM
our defense will surprise. That is all.

PalmerToCJ
05-11-2008, 09:55 PM
You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

Our run D has been right around middle of the road the last two seasons... Obviously not good but not as horrible as people make it sound. We do have no pass rush which hurts our pass D. Our secondary is solid, it's just when the teams have 8 days to find an open man they're going to. Fix the pass rush and a lot of things are fixed. Plus having a healthy LB core would be nice for a change.

Our defense is LOADED with potential but given the fact that it's only potential no one other than Bengals fans have any reason to get excited about it.... Which is 100% understandable.

BengalMedic
05-12-2008, 08:54 AM
In looking at the 2007 stats, this is what you'll find:

Fewest Points Allowed
PIT
CLE
BAL
CIN

Fewest Yards Allowed
PIT
BAL
CIN
CLE

Rush Yards Allowed
BAL
PIT
CIN
CLE

Pass Yards Allowed
PIT
BAL
CLE
CIN

Overall Defensive Ranking
PIT
BAL
CIN
CLE

In looking at this, you would have to think the final standings from the 2007 season stand until we see production on the field from the offseason additions and draft picks. They are unknows at this point, but I guess you can speculate.

I see PIT as the #1, as they were the #1 last season overall in defense and have gotten younger with the drafting of Woodley and Timmons.

I see BAL as the #2, as they are still a force, but getting older.

I see CIN as the #3, due to the addition of a pass rush in Odom, drafting guys like Rivers and Sims, and the fact they will have a healthy LB Corps heading into this season instead of a bunch of street free agents with 2 weeks on the team.

I see CLE as the #4, but will say they could VERY EASILY move into a battle for the #1 slot due to their offseason additions. I believe the interior of their D-line will be something beastly this season, but I think their secondary is going to be the week point.

No disrespect intended to anyone there, just how I see things at this point. Once play starts, things could change drastically. With the schedule the teams in the AFCN play this year, it will be fun to watch how things pan out.

StripedWalrus
05-12-2008, 12:48 PM
Going by last year its

Steelers
Ravens
Bengals
Browns

This year I won't make a ranking but I will say this.
Cleveland will find that their boy from Detroit will be a lazy bust, and Cincy will be glad they didn't get him. Pittsburgh and Baltimore will continue with their solid defenses. Cincy will surprise everyone with their defense this year. I'm not saying it will be a Pitt level. I am saying that it will be incredibly better than it was last year.

Smooth Criminal
05-12-2008, 05:23 PM
Ill take the steelers #1. They should evennbe improved over last season with pass rusher woodley getting into the lineup and Timmons should be a starter this year. Plus Clark is back at FS.

I'll put Baltimore at #2. They still have a ton of talent even if they are aging on defense, esspecially at corner.

Cindy would be my third team. They had a ton of injuries last year and they should be getting some of those guys back. Plus they have a good pair of young corners. Biggest weakness is at the pass rush where they are fairly weak.

Cleveland could easily take third in defense with the additions they put on the line and the talent they have at linebacker. But the defensive backs are fairly weak and I think it will be the downfall of the team. I'm not sold on either Rodgers or Williams working out in a 3-4.

Bengals78
07-03-2008, 01:33 AM
Last year I will go, Bal, Pitt, Cin-Cle interchangeable really.
I think Cincy will secure 3 which if you look at the teams in this division isnt bad
The only reason i say Bal was better because i think if they had any semblance of an offense last year and they d wasnt constantly out there, they would be unreal again.

Next year, ill go:
Pitt
Bal
Cincy
Cle

Cleveland will be sorely disapointed with Rogers after realizing he cant play 16 games and their lack of DB depth will hurt them big time with the way offenses are going in the divisions.

RoyHall#1
07-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Cleveland's D is going to surprise this year. I'm sure of it.

BengalMedic
07-07-2008, 07:16 AM
RoyHall, I will agree with you IF the Browns find some help at CB. I think losing Bodden is going to hurt more than most Browns fans want to admit. Even if you do find help, there is no depth in case of injury. CB has to be a early pick for you guys in the next draft.

If the new pickups on the D-line help get pressure on the opposing QB, maybe the CB's won't suffer to bad, but that's putting a lot of faith in that one area.

Honestly though, I think Cleveland has been making some moves and if nothing else, you can't fault an organization for at least making the attempt to put a winner on the field.

The best defense still has to go to Pittsburgh without question...

RoyHall#1
07-07-2008, 03:07 PM
RoyHall, I will agree with you IF the Browns find some help at CB. I think losing Bodden is going to hurt more than most Browns fans want to admit. Even if you do find help, there is no depth in case of injury. CB has to be a early pick for you guys in the next draft.

If the new pickups on the D-line help get pressure on the opposing QB, maybe the CB's won't suffer to bad, but that's putting a lot of faith in that one area.

Honestly though, I think Cleveland has been making some moves and if nothing else, you can't fault an organization for at least making the attempt to put a winner on the field.

The best defense still has to go to Pittsburgh without question...

Bodden and hurt are always in the same sentence. Lol. Our D-Coordinator is a DB's specialist and we've got some good young guys at CB. Granted depth is not good but barring injuries I think our secondary will look great this year with the newly improved line.

And for the record, I wasn't the one who voted for the Browns.

Smooth Criminal
07-07-2008, 04:51 PM
The moves pn the Browns line won't be as be as big as their fans like to think. Rodgers has been known as a lazy player and that wont bare well for him being a nose tackle.

Rodgers and Williams have never played the 3-4 and it's definately for from a sure thing that they will fit the system.

terribletowel39
07-07-2008, 05:11 PM
It has to be Pittsburgh. They were #1 overall and this isn't an excuse, but they would have been better than Balty in run defense had A. Smith not gone down the last 2 weeks. They were ahead of Balty before then. Just sayin'. I think its Pittsburgh without a doubt. Then Baltimore and then the other two way down.

themaninblack
07-07-2008, 07:17 PM
I also think the Steelers are better on D than the Ravens as well.

BengalMedic
07-08-2008, 07:21 AM
Bodden and hurt are always in the same sentence. Lol. Our D-Coordinator is a DB's specialist and we've got some good young guys at CB. Granted depth is not good but barring injuries I think our secondary will look great this year with the newly improved line.

And for the record, I wasn't the one who voted for the Browns.

And our head coach is a defensive specialist, but you see what that has gotten us in regards to defense. "IF" your CB's have a good season, I will be more than happy to say, good job. Until that happens, I will just keep saying that the DB's are going to be your weakness.

Pittsburgh's defense is the best in the Division, hope no one really tries to argue that one...

Bengalsrocket
07-08-2008, 04:09 PM
If Odom can produce without kyle V.B. and Haynesworth on the same line as him, I think cinci will have a better D than Cleveland. We desperately need to put pressure on the passing game. However, if he turns out to be a product of that incredible D-line instead, then cleveland will more than likely have a better D.

Same can be said for Shaun Rodgers though. If he turns out to be the lazy fat player everyone seems to think he is, then I think cleveland's D will crumble too.

Either way, both D's are pretty crappy on paper on right now, and unless key players (rivers / odom for cincy and Rodgers for cleveland) step it up then both will continue to suck and it doesn't matter if one is 3rd or 4th in the division because they'll both be near last in the league :P

To contribute, I think Steelers have the better overall D right now, but ravens aren't far behind.

RoyHall#1
07-08-2008, 04:44 PM
And our head coach is a defensive specialist, but you see what that has gotten us in regards to defense. "IF" your CB's have a good season, I will be more than happy to say, good job. Until that happens, I will just keep saying that the DB's are going to be your weakness.

Pittsburgh's defense is the best in the Division, hope no one really tries to argue that one...

Our safeties are damn good, we just have some issues at CB. And our head coach is a defensive specialist as well haha.

keylime_5
07-14-2008, 10:46 AM
This isn't last season, Cincinnati has the worst defense on paper going into '08 in this division. I like CIncy's young DBs, but their front seven isn't too hot. Odom is solid and Rivers will be pretty good but he's still a rookie. Cleveland's defense was missing a D-Line last year, this year they have it with Robaire Smith, Corey Williams, Shaun Rogers, and Shaun Smith in rotation. Wimbley and Peek will provide the pass rush, D'Qwell Jackson and Wimbley will have huge years with some big bodies up front. Beau Bell, Andra Davis, Leon Willliams, and Willie McGinest is a good group of role players in our front seven too, I think Bell could be a steal since some in the organization expect him to start as a rookie this year.

Our DBs won't be an issue if no one gets hurt and/or if the pass rush is as good as it should be with Williams and Rogers to keep guards from double teaming Wimbley, and Antwan Peek will be healthy and look like he did last preseason and this spring.

Hines
07-14-2008, 10:51 AM
The Browns have the pieces on paper, but I want to seee Rogers actually try for a whole season. I really like Williams, but I wonder how he will adapt in a 34. Your starting corners are really good, and I like them a lot. But if teams start to spread them out, I have wonders. I like your linebacking corps, but I dont think Peek is scary, so teams will dictate their plan on stopping Wimbley again. It all looks good, and the pieces are there, but I have doubts for the unit as a whole.

keylime_5
07-15-2008, 03:20 PM
I hope Rogers can play well this year, and so should he I hear b/c they say that if he doesn't play up to his contract he won't get his $5Million roster bonus next spring and he'll be looking for work. Shaun Smith is adequate insurance at NT too. I'm not too worried about our D-Line with the Smiths and the two new guys we traded for, I'm too busy being a little worried about our pass defense and whether or not we can have an effective pass rush and coverage unit.

Smooth Criminal
07-19-2008, 09:23 AM
The pass defense for the Browns does look fairly weak. Wimbley can get to the QB we know that but if Peek can't also create pressure it'll be fairly easy to block Wimbley.

And the dbs don't look like a strong unit at all. Wright looked good at corner but other than that it is a very weak unit.

DeathbyStat
07-22-2008, 05:20 PM
Pittsburgh is the best but we are one or two injuries from falling off like we did at the end of the year last year

BengalMedic
07-23-2008, 01:12 PM
Agree and that could be said about any defense in this Division. Let one or two starters go down and it will dramatically change said defense. What happens in Baltimore without Ed Reed ?? In Cleveland without Wimbley ?? In Pittsburgh without Hampton ?? In Cincinnati without, um, without, er... Well, we are still looking for that guy, but you get my point... Hell look at our LB corps that was wiped out last year.

INJURIES SUCK BALLS !!!

Smooth Criminal
07-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Pittsburgh is fine without Hampton. Back to 2004 when we went 15-1 with Hoke at NT.

The only guys we cant afford to lose are Ryan Clark and Aaron Smith. As weird of a pairing as that is we simply don't have anyone on the roster that can play DE or FS anywhere near as well as these 2 do.

Not saying theyre the best players on our defense, just the hardest to overcome losing.

BengalMedic
07-25-2008, 07:41 AM
Gotcha Smooth and I'm sure other team fans would be able to put it in the terms I was getting at. That's exactly what I was trying to say. It applies to any team...

ChezPower4
08-01-2008, 04:35 PM
Cincy above Cleveland? You're a moron

Cleveland's D is going to be ok this year and It's safe to say that they will be better than the Bengal's , who year in and year out have a terrible defense. The Bengal's have not added enough talent to vastly improve this offseason and I suspect that they'll be just as good as they were last year

America
08-02-2008, 01:33 PM
Baltimore suffered an amazing amount of injuries last year and still managed to be a tough defense, not to mention they were always on the field because the offense was atrocious. Go back to 2006 when they were healthy and there wasn't any debate that they were the best in the league. Not saying they still are now, but I think the PIT vs BAL debate is closer than people make it seem. Fabian Washington is a competent nickel back, something that hasn't been in Baltimore for a while. Dawan had a disappointing sophomore season and all indications throughout camp point to him becoming a leader in the secondary and returning to his freshman ballhawk ways. And we have better depth in the secondary overall, which killed us last year. Pryce was hurt mostly every game last year, and he's a big part of the D (team leading 13 sacks in 06). Ngata is ready to emerge, and even if he doesn't become one of the best, he's still a player to watch out for. Antwan Barnes (2 sacks in limited PT 07) is going to be used a lot more in his second season. Everything points to the Raven's D returning back to dominant form next year.

ChezPower4
08-02-2008, 01:45 PM
Baltimore suffered an amazing amount of injuries last year and still managed to be a tough defense, not to mention they were always on the field because the offense was atrocious. Go back to 2006 when they were healthy and there wasn't any debate that they were the best in the league. Not saying they still are now, but I think the PIT vs BAL debate is closer than people make it seem. Fabian Washington is a competent nickel back, something that hasn't been in Baltimore for a while. Dawan had a disappointing sophomore season and all indications throughout camp point to him becoming a leader in the secondary and returning to his freshman ballhawk ways. And we have better depth in the secondary overall, which killed us last year. Pryce was hurt mostly every game last year, and he's a big part of the D (team leading 13 sacks in 06). Ngata is ready to emerge, and even if he doesn't become one of the best, he's still a player to watch out for. Antwan Barnes (2 sacks in limited PT 07) is going to be used a lot more in his second season. Everything points to the Raven's D returning back to dominant form next year.

That's a good point but some of your key players are getting older (Role, mcalister, Lewis and Gregg). Your defense will be good as it always is but i don't think it will be better than the Steelers.

Also I don't know if Antwan Barnes 2 sacks is worth getting excited about maybe 5 or 6 but 2.... come on

Aftermath
08-02-2008, 04:52 PM
Cleveland's D is going to be ok this year and It's safe to say that they will be better than the Bengal's , who year in and year out have a terrible defense. The Bengal's have not added enough talent to vastly improve this offseason and I suspect that they'll be just as good as they were last year

We added a defensive coordinator that actually knows what he's doing.

PalmerToCJ
08-03-2008, 12:30 AM
Generally, I've always thought our problem on defense was with scheme and injuries. We seem to always get killed on defense in terms of injuries and Bresh always played really conservative defense. The very few times he turned up the heat (see Baltimore week 1 last season), our defense plays well.

Obviously the Ravens/Steelers will be better as usual. Cleveland (statistically) was worse than our defense last year. We'll see what Zimmer does for the defense. Things sound great, I like his style but doesn't mean it remains to be seen what it'll do on the field.

I - like Browns fans - am more optimistic this season than years past that our defense won't suck. I'm not much into BSing "what-ifs" so if Browns fans are confident their D will be better, works for me.

America
08-03-2008, 12:39 AM
That's a good point but some of your key players are getting older (Role, mcalister, Lewis and Gregg). Your defense will be good as it always is but i don't think it will be better than the Steelers.

Also I don't know if Antwan Barnes 2 sacks is worth getting excited about maybe 5 or 6 but 2.... come on

It's not his 2 sacks that's exciting. He's a ridiculous athlete (4.4 speed) and he didn't get to play much last year but this year he's going to have a lot of opportunities to play.

Mr. Stiller
08-04-2008, 01:19 AM
It's not his 2 sacks that's exciting. He's a ridiculous athlete (4.4 speed) and he didn't get to play much last year but this year he's going to have a lot of opportunities to play.

Woodley had 6 while playing a dismal amount of downs. Not to mention the fact that he was injured 3 games.


Watch out for Timmons, Woodley and Harrison this year.. they're going to be extremely Dangerous.


No OL, TE, Back has been able to block any of the 3 of them.

Smooth Criminal
08-04-2008, 08:09 AM
That is our OL though. Shouldn't be hard for teams with a real O-Line.

Mr. Stiller
08-04-2008, 08:55 AM
That is our OL though. Shouldn't be hard for teams with a real O-Line.

You'd be surprised our offensive line is actually looking really good considering the fact that we have the #1 defense in the league.

Just wait until the season starts. They won't be the best, but they won't be the worst either.

Kevin Greene is working with the Linebackers and they are getting just nasty.

BengalMedic
08-04-2008, 09:30 AM
Once again, I think it is easy to look at what you have on paper and put a ton of stock in what happens in camp and turn around and say, "this is looking pretty good". It's still a crap shoot though...

That being said, I would expect any fan of any team would look at their own team and think they made improvements and should be better this upcoming season. For as sh*tty as the Bengals have been, minus one year, I constantly look for improvement heading into a season and can find good reason to have that opinion. However, once they get on the pads and take the field, things can take on a whole new perspective.

Bottomline is all teams in the AFC North have reason to be optimistic, but it will all shake out when the games start...

steelersfan43
08-07-2008, 02:56 AM
This is a joke, Its clearly the steelers...

#1 D last year, Didnt lose anyone important, gaining two studs in woodley and timmons..

Ravens are old and slowing down,
Browns and bengals just suck.

Hines
08-07-2008, 11:08 AM
Browns dont suck. They have the pieces, but they are unproven yet. I like their starting corner tandem, but they have no depth. Their safties are good, and their linebackers are good. The dline has a shot to be really good, but we have to see how well Rogers is motivated, and how good Williams adapts to the 34 defense.

steelersfan43
08-07-2008, 06:33 PM
Who's got the best defense in the division?

Not trying to be a homer, but IMO Baltimore has the best.

1) Baltimore
2) Pittsburgh
3) Cleveland
4) Cincinnati


Are you being serious? Its obviously the steelers, we raped everyone last year and our d has gotten better this year and we havent lost anyone. The ravens Are old and are even older this year, their d is a joke.

ChezPower4
08-09-2008, 12:18 PM
Just saw the steelers against the Eagles and the steelers defense looks like it's going to be better than it was last year. It is just a preseason game though.

Bengalsrocket
08-09-2008, 01:25 PM
I think the Steelers have the best D by far, but if people seriously think the Ravens D is getting to old to play then you put to much stock into age. Some of their greatest players have more than 2 years left to be great. I'm not saying they're full of youth, but being old does not mean you're automatically terrible.

BengalMedic
08-11-2008, 01:14 PM
I just love how everyone makes a sweeping statement like, "They suck" as if said team has no chance of improvement. If the players honestly felt that way each Sunday, they would get their butt handed to them overlooking someone.

Yes, the Steelers have to be considered the best D, but it's just not that simple. An injury or two changes everything and teams will find a way to get better at some point.

terribletowel39
11-07-2008, 05:29 PM
Just curious to see what everyone thought now?? Mainly curious to see who people think is better between the Ravens and Steelers and who is worst between the Bengals and Browns??