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chad72
02-12-2009, 11:37 AM
Re: safety, think Melvin Bullitt could play next to Bob Sanders?

Melvin Bullitt can definitely play next to Bob Sanders. But Brannon Condren from Troy that the Colts cut and sign again, and back and forth, is not the answer to our depth, neither is Giordano, both will make good ST players though, especially Giordano. But we need a little more quality depth at safety if Bethea leaves - so I can see the Colts going for Chip Vaughn or David Bruton both of whom will do well with us. I have always regretted the fact that the Colts could not land another Fighting Irish, Derek Landri at DT, who would have made one heck of a one-gap DT for us but the Jags got him. I hope we land this one right this time.

In fact, this year being Bethea's contract year, Addai's make or break year, Marlin Jackson's contract year, I expect these to give it all they got. That only means good things for the Colts, IMO. Championship!!! :) (like that FF commercial)

Geo
02-12-2009, 11:50 AM
I want Giordano gone. For all of his athletic prowess, he can't play and isn't even good on special teams. Maybe it turns on for him with his next team, maybe he finds a better fit for him, but I'm not sad to say farewell.

I like the current depth with Bullitt/Bethea, depending on how you want to look at and project it, and Jamie Silva. Silva was great on special teams in college, and it's looking like he might bring a similar deal to the pros plus might be a solid back-up safety too.

I love Bullitt, btw. Since he came in as an UDFA, he is a gem but Ed Johnson got more pub because the Colts needed a starting NT after Booger went down. Bullitt can definitely improve though, in his tackling/angles, but he is a gem.

Bethea bums me out a bit, because he has the potential to be a perfect complement to Bob Sanders. He can be a ballhawk free safety. But at times he'll goof up in coverage and more often his tackling can make you cringe. He has the potential though, and he's still relatively young as a pro, plus he's in a potential contract year so hopefully he has his best season yet.

Condren is back on the practice squad, as you noted, chad. The guy has the measurables, like Giordano, but does he have the instincts?

I did a little research on the Colts re: safeties, it might point to some specific candidates. I'll post it up right now.

Geo
02-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Year - Draft pick - position (kind of) - Player - height,weight - 40 time

02 - 6-11/183 - James Lewis, Miami FL - 5-10-1/4, 192 - 4.62?
03 - 2-26/58 - Mike Doss, Ohio State - 5-10-1/8, 207 - 4.45
04 - 2-12/44 - Bob Sanders, Iowa - 5-8-3/8, 204 - 4.35
05 - 4-34/135 - Matt Giordano, Cal - 5-10-3/4, 199 - 4.48
06 - 6-38/207 - Antoine Bethea, Howard - 5-11/203 - 4.39
07 - 4-32/131 - Brannon Condren, Troy St - 6-0-7/8, 208 - 4.47
07 - UDFA - Melvin Bullitt, Texas A&M - 6-1-1/8, 201 - 4.48
08 - UDFA - Jamie Silva, Boston College - 5-10-3/4, 204 - 4.78



Two things stick out:

1. All but two guys listed there had 40 times of 4.5 or more. No surprise, the Colts dig speed. The 40-time is big for them.

2. Not the tallest of guys either, although solidly packed as all but 2 are under 200 lbs. (one of which being 199).

chad72
02-12-2009, 02:09 PM
With all of this, Alphonso Smith might become a necessity more than insurance. It seems like Hayden's agent is playing hard ball like Jake Scott's agent was. The word is that Jake Scott was going to be paid the same amount of money as he was with the Titans but just because he could not get more from the Colts, he went to the Titans out of spite, at least that is the message BP gave in one of his interviews a while back.

This is what I am assuming - I think reasonable is Hayden signing for about $5-6 mil. per year like Nathan Vasher and Charles Tillman of the Bears, then probably his agent wants something like $8-9 mil. per year which I do not think Kelvin Hayden is worth. He is more valuable to the Colts than for any other team, he is more of a zone coverage corner. But he won't be able to thrive in man coverage situations all the time if he wants to be paid top man coverage corner money, the Jason David experience might scare a few teams away too.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090212/SPORTS03/902120485/1004/SPORTS

chad72
02-12-2009, 02:20 PM
Year - Draft pick - position (kind of) - Player - height,weight - 40 time

02 - 6-11/183 - James Lewis, Miami FL - 5-10-1/4, 192 - 4.62?
03 - 2-26/58 - Mike Doss, Ohio State - 5-10-1/8, 207 - 4.45
04 - 2-12/44 - Bob Sanders, Iowa - 5-8-3/8, 204 - 4.35
05 - 4-34/135 - Matt Giordano, Cal - 5-10-3/4, 199 - 4.48
06 - 6-38/207 - Antoine Bethea, Howard - 5-11/203 - 4.39
07 - 4-32/131 - Brannon Condren, Troy St - 6-0-7/8, 208 - 4.47
07 - UDFA - Melvin Bullitt, Texas A&M - 6-1-1/8, 201 - 4.48
08 - UDFA - Jamie Silva, Boston College - 5-10-3/4, 204 - 4.78



Two things stick out:

1. All but two guys listed there had 40 times of 4.5 or more. No surprise, the Colts dig speed. The 40-time is big for them.

2. Not the tallest of guys either, although solidly packed as all but 2 are under 200 lbs. (one of which being 199).


4 safeties in the vicinity of the rounds 3 - 4 where I expect the Colts to be picking quality safeties:

Rashad Johnson of Alabama (FS) - 6'0", 195 lbs, 4.49 40 speed
David Bruton of Notre Dame (FS) - 6'2", 210 lbs, 4.55 40 speed, he has long arms, will come in handy to tackle bowling balls of RBs like MJD:)
Michael Hamlin of Clemson (SS) - 6'2", 207 lbs, 4.56 40 speed
Chip Vaughn of Wake Forest (SS) - 6'1", 218 lbs, 4.52 40 speed (impressive considering his weight, he has more than 20 lbs on Rashad Johnson and is almost as fast as him)

I think Chip Vaughn is our guy, round 3 pick;) .

Geo
02-17-2009, 11:56 AM
I tried to get as quirky as possible, if the Colts were to go off the general board a bit and do their own thing ... yet also find some guys that could fit the Colts and do well at the Combine this week:


1st round: Evander "Ziggy" Hood, DT, Missouri
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/media/old/img/photos/2008/04/storyimage-image-6455_t_w180_h400.jpg
Senior Bowl measurements: 6-3-1/8, 298, 33-1/4, 9-7/8
Can run under 5.0
If you've read my posts in the Draft forum, you'll know I'm not the biggest Ziggy Hood fan. I think he's a good player, but he didn't strike me as a great player. I don't think he's worth a 1st round pick, really. So why am I making this pick?

Well for one, I'm thinking neither Alphonso Smith nor James Laurinaitis will be available. DJ Moore might, however my feeling right now is that Bill Polian will re-sign Kelvin Hayden to the point of overpaying, so that might hurt Moore's chances. Although he could contribute as a return man from day one, and then take over for Marlin Jackson eventually. That is a scenario.

As for better offensive talent, there could be a better BPA reach this pick. Though right now there doesn't seem to be a perfect fit, like Reggie Wayne or Anthony Gonzalez, among the underclassmen wide receivers not named Maclin. If Hakeem Nicks runs under 4.5, that likely changes. And if Darrius Heyward-Bey runs under 4.4, that could ultimately sway Polian if he's looking to get a burner to replace Harrison. We'll see if Harvin measures in at 5-11/195, there is some skepticism about that I've seen.

DT-wise, I think Peria Jerry is going to the Buccaneers. I don't think they draft a receiver, as Antonio Bryant will be franchise tagged if not re-signed, and especially not a runningback as they are fine there for the time being now. The question is if they go quarterback, but I think the new and very young duo of the GM and HC take the surer pick in Jerry.

So Hood for the Colts? Basically he's got great size and a great motor, athletic with some pass rush capability, and does a lot of things well, thus could find playing time at either UT or NT. I would have liked to have seen him better against the run and create more TFLs in terms of his production. Hood is reportedly is a hard worker and has good character. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he tested very well at the Combine, I'm kind of expecting it which ties into this pick.

I'd be fine with Sen'Derrick Marks or Purdue's Alex Magee in the late 2nd round, if the Colts chose to wait but still wanted a DT early. But they might think there are only so many guys to pick from this year or any year, and maybe Hood is a good enough fit for what they'd like that they'd take him in the late 1st round to sign him to a 5-year contract. Maybe the Colts, in their evaluation, see him as a poor man's Kevin Williams.


2nd round: Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper871/thumbs/t_261vbm9s.jpg
Senior Bowl measurements: 6-1-3/8, 210, 32-1/2, 9-3/4
Can run under 4.5
Has natural speed and quickness, but also good size and build. Thus is often elusive but also help out in the red zone. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders, maybe even surprising with his football IQ. Obviously the biggest red flag is concentration, Massaquoi's had some drops in his collegiate career. Maybe the Colts feel as though it's correctable for the most part, that they draft him in the 2nd round. Three big factors the Colts will like: He improved every year in college; he played in a pro-style offense; and he scored 8 touchdowns on 58 receptions, in a great senior season.


3rd round: Zach Follet, LB, Cal Berkeley
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2007/earlybird/photos/california_zack_follett.jpg
Senior Bowl measurements: 6-1-3/4, 231, 30-1/2, 9-1/4
Will run under 4.7?
Follet has easily been one of my favorite linebackers in college football the last two years. He is a real striker, as Polian would say, and as evidenced by his 13 career forced fumbles - a great stat that the Colts will likely take note of. The biggest problem: does Follet fit the Colts? Well there is some worry about Follet's ability to play coverage, but I think he's alright at it. His best fit though is SLB, which might be a problem though if the Colts think Philip Wheeler is the future at that position. Unless one of those guys can play MLB, with Clint Session moving to WLB, then this pick might not come to pass. The Colts need a future starter at MLB, Brackett's a free agent after this season and will be 30 years old next season. So unless Wheeler is the guy, chances are they'll have to get their next MLB in the Draft this year or next.

I was also very tempted to pick Oregon State CB Keenan Lewis here. He's probably a better fit and might be the better BPA, but maybe linebacker is a slightly greater need.


Thoughts? Too crazy?

Again, I'm going into the Draft with an open mind. I'm not pitching my tent to so-and-so, as long as the Colts get the best players they can I'll be pleased. I loved last year's draft and hope I'll feel the same this year.

Geo
02-18-2009, 07:51 PM
"A Colts DT? A Titans WR? Not likely in Round 1" (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-7-539/A-Colts-DT--A-Titans-WR--Not-likely-in-Round-1.html), another great article from Paul Kuharsky who is the AFC South blogger at ESPN.

Definitely give it a read, it's interesting.



Like I've said this whole time, imo Polian won't get out of Day One drafting a receiver and I think he'll do it in the first round. We'll see.

Hopefully they draft Myron Pryor on Day Two.

chad72
02-19-2009, 02:58 PM
"A Colts DT? A Titans WR? Not likely in Round 1" (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-7-539/A-Colts-DT--A-Titans-WR--Not-likely-in-Round-1.html), another great article from Paul Kuharsky who is the AFC South blogger at ESPN.

Definitely give it a read, it's interesting.



Like I've said this whole time, imo Polian won't get out of Day One drafting a receiver and I think he'll do it in the first round. We'll see.

Hopefully they draft Myron Pryor on Day Two.

My mock would go like this (no WR on day one):

1st round - Ron Brace, DT (I have a feeling he will light it up at the combine and thus will not be available in the 2nd round when we pick or if we trade down even 10 spots) or Alphonso Smith, CB (will be too hard to pass up if he is available)
2nd round - Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest (great fit for Tampa 2 or Cover 2, quick, and aggressive safety)
3rd round - Mitch King, DE/DT, Iowa (might seem like it is early but again, he is a good one-gap disruptive DT, good fit for us playing UT)
4th round - Jarret Dillard, WR, Rice (runs great routes, reminds me of Marvin)
5th round - Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman/Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky (torn between these 2)
5th round comp pick - Tyrell Sutton, RB, Northwestern (great change of pace back)
6th round - Anthony Felder, ILB, California (solid)
7th round - Robert Brewster, OT, Ball State (very solid, homer Indiana pick but has stayed injury free and is on the All-MAC team)

Geo
02-19-2009, 03:17 PM
Does Ron Brace have the motor to be a Colts' player? That's what I'm wondering.

Plus there's the back injury history which is a little scary (look at Justin Harrell).

chad72
02-19-2009, 03:22 PM
Does Ron Brace have the motor to be a Colts' player? That's what I'm wondering.

Plus there's the back injury history which is a little scary (look at Justin Harrell).

Both Antonio Johnson and Ron Brace will share reps at NT if Ron Brace is drafted, so mostly they occupy blockers and try to collapse the pocket whenever they can. The motor becomes more important when you play the disruptive UT position in the 4-3 where penetration is more important because you get lesser double teams as a UT than as an NT. Evander Hood would be a great UT but average NT (like most of our NTs:) ). Ron Brace has the upside to be a great NT but I do not see him used as a UT whatsoever in the 4-3. Myron Pryor, Mitch King - both of them will make very good disruptive UTs.

A line up of Ron Brace/Antonio Johnson at NT, Myron Pryor, Eric Foster, and Mitch King at UT for rotation gets me salivating:) . That also makes Keyunta Dawson and Josh Thomas expendable and possibly Raheem Brock too. Brock still would need to be around to give Mathis or Freeney a breather till we decide how to use Marcus Howard (I think he is better off being used as an OLB, IMO than DE).

But if we choose only 2 D-linemen (say Pryor and King), then we may have Myron Pryor/Antonio Johnson at NT, Mitch King/Eric Foster/Raheem Brock at UT, not shabby by any means. Regardless, I see Keyunta Dawson or Josh Thomas gone for good.

RCAChainGang
02-20-2009, 12:35 AM
I like that mock Geo if the Colts were to do something "quirky".
I especially like Mohamed Massaquoi.

Geo
02-20-2009, 09:13 AM
Thanks.

Right now I'm wondering about Percy Harvin a bit, there's a rumor that character could be a big concern as supposedly he has a bad temper and is a "me first" guy to the point of clashing with other teammates - even Tim Tebow. To be honest though, reading that and even the remark about him getting mad at Tebow for stealing his spotlight or whatever - I have a hard time believing that. Or I actually don't buy it, in fact.

But it's something to keep in the back of your mind, I guess. I think Harvin's character will be okay.

Today's the weigh-in for all the wide receivers (and runningbacks), I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys actually are.

chad72
02-20-2009, 09:34 AM
The Colts and Giants scouts have been at every Rutgers game and I bet it is because of Kenny Britt.

Maybe it is a smoke screen like Lawrence Maroney Minnesota game visits by BP:) .

Geo
02-20-2009, 09:46 AM
Buzz is that Heyward-Bey could run better than 4.3 flat this weekend. :eek:

If he does, Polian could fall in love, especially if DHB looks to have better character than two potential "me" guys in Harvin and Britt. We'll see, but I think he's looking for a speedster to replace Harrison.

Geo
02-20-2009, 02:23 PM
Good article on Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-heywardbey09,0,5100811.story), who I think could very well be the Colts' 1st round pick.

Geo
02-21-2009, 01:41 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=520102

Q: What are the team's draft needs?
A: I think you'd have to look at wide receiver, first and foremost. Marvin (Harrison) is getting older, and while he's not irreplaceable, he's been a major cog in our machine for a long, long time and one that we've come to take for granted. That would probably be the No. 1 priority if there were one there. I think you'd look at the offensive line. And then virtually any defensive position but safety, I would guess.
Second time so far this offseason that Polian has come out and said receiver. Very strange.

Polian is hardly honest to a fault, one wonders what game he's up to.

chad72
02-21-2009, 10:26 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=520102


Second time so far this offseason that Polian has come out and said receiver. Very strange.

Polian is hardly honest to a fault, one wonders what game he's up to.

I am beginning to sense that he badly wants someone other than a WR that he wants people to take WRs and let that person fall to him.

The Colts (BP mainly) normally grade about less than 10 players of first round potential across different positions that may fall to them and pick one of them based on BPA, and not need exactly. But if BP is doing that, it seems like he feels there are only about 3 or 4 first round potential players that he feels could fall to the Colts.

Who can it be? It has to be a position that is not deep, so not WR or OL.

That means it could be TE, DE, Safety, DT, RB, CB.

TE - We have 2 outstanding projects picked in the draft last year - Tom Santi and Jacob Tamme, thus probably not in the first round.

DE - Still too early to say if Curtis Johnson and Marcus Howard will provide the quality depth behind Freeney and Mathis. Besides, our whole DL is made up of tweeners who can play DE more than DT easily (Dawson, Brock etc.). So though BP had been to see Larry English at one of his games, I'd still have to say DE is a safe bet not to be picked.

Safety - With Melvin Bullitt being a pleasant surprise, I can see BP going for a free safety if he is thinking of letting Bethea go but BP has never picked up safety with a first round pick

DT - Only 2 DTs are first round potential - B.J.Raji & Peria Jerry. BP will not reach for a 2nd round DT like Hood or Brace in the first round, based on history.

RB - I don't think BP will rush to a conclusion without seeing what Chad Simpson and Lance Ball can bring to the table even if he lets Rhodes go.

CB - he probably knows something about Marlin Jackson's and T.J.Rushing's recovery that we do not know (Colts are always private about those things), plus he knows Tim Jennings is not getting it done. And the other teams that need CB - Bears, Vikings, Jets, Dolphins - 3 of them could use WR help (Bears, Vikings, and Dolphins). So, if he can get 2 of those teams to pick WRs, maybe his CB will slip to him. My bets are on D.J.Moore or Alphonso Smith by virtue of BPA and setting the table for Marlin Jackson to leave next year???

OR HE COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH AND WILL GO WR!!!:)

RCAChainGang
02-21-2009, 11:26 PM
DJ Moore would be excellent to replace a corner. He also could play around in safety spots. I like that idea.

I honestly just hope we get Harvin or Peria Jerry. Either of those would make me ecstatic!

Seamus2602
02-22-2009, 07:31 PM
Going through the entire team does raise the sort of positions that Polian may be looking at. He will be looking at a few key positions that need strengthened. While Best Player Available is always a good team building philiosophy, in a year when Indy have a few needs and not a lot of cap I could see Polian being a wee bit more direct. I think the Franchise needs 2009 to be a good year so that people don't start complaining that Jim Caldwell isn't Tony Dungy.

Offense

on the offense there are only three positions that he may be worrying about and I don't buy two of them. They are RB, WR and OC.

With the fact that Saturday is going to test the market there may be a bit of a look at players like Unger and Mack. I don't see it as we drafted 3 Centres last year.

With the piss poor performace from the run game all year, many a person are suggesting that Indy may draft a permament replacement for Rhodes, especially given how good the top tiers of this Running Back class is. I don't think he will as even if they don't resign Rhodes they still have a number of fringe backs who are well liked by the Coaches. Also Mike Hart was drafted, in my opinion, to be that second back. It is just a shame that he got injured so early.

The other position is WR. It seems to be the worst kept secret in football that Marvin Harrison isn't going to be a Colt next year, either through a cut or retirment. In my opinion though this doesn't open up a huge need at Wide Receiver. In Manning's brilliant year in 2004, Indy had 3 brilliant receivers in Harrison, Wayne and Stokley. Now Indy have two brilliant receivers in Wayne and Dallas Clark and a number of very talented young receivers, especially in Gonzalez. I view the drafting of someone like Percy Harvin as a luxury pick. I don't think the Franchise should do it.

Defense

Teams normally draft their first round talent with an expectation to play almost immediately or at least compete for a place immediately. There are two positions that make it then, in my opinion, and they are DT and WLB.

Indy are very short at DT, with the Pitcock retirment, Booger's knees giving out and Ed Johnson doing a Ricky Williams. This is the biggest reason behind to rather pourus run defense this year. A finese 3 Technique DT is needed as well as just a big run stuffer. Indy's biggest problem with this is that there are no players in and around the bottom of the 1st who fit either bill. If Jerry was to fall then he should be snapped up, otherwise the Finese player can be gained in the bottom of the 2nd with a Sen'Derrick Marks pick or even Fili Moala. The big run stuffer can be drafted later but if Ron Brace's stock goes up then Indy could be obliged to take him.

The other option is Weakside Linebacker. The Tampa 2 system depends on 4 positions. A run stoping safety (like Bob Sanders), a pass rushing DE (Freeney or Mathis), a penetrating 3 Technique and a playmaking Will Linebacker. Indy have the first two. They haven't ever had the 3 Technique and haven't had the Will since Cato June was with the Franchise. The need for a Will Linebacker needs to be filled on Day One.

So there are your options people. Who do you think Polian is looking at?

chad72
02-23-2009, 08:19 AM
This draft is deep at WR and OL.

1st Option is WR:

Marvin has officially asked to be released. Based on how BP talked high about Maroney while drafting Addai, I am thinking he talked high about Hakeem Nicks this combine and is setting the table to pick up Kenny Britt. After a 4.29 40 Heyward Bey is out of question and Harvin may be picked up by the Dolphins because though his WR skills are not as polished, he will fit right in to their Wildcat plays, right at home. BP will not pick up a wideout in the first round for KR/PR skills, so Harvin is probably out of the picture.

It will probably be Kenny Britt who the Colts scouts have been looking at for a while now, and have been to several Rutgers games.

Alternatives (CB,OL):

http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/89462-marlin-jackson-bob-sanders-begin-camp-pup-list.html

Based on this, if Marlin Jackson is going to start camp on PUP, I am thinking 1st round CB for insurance.

If BP plans to cut Ryan Diem or someone for salary cap reasons, I am thinking OT since we will get a quality OT in the first round


DT: Unless Peria Jerry falls to us, or Ron Brace tears it up at the combine, I do not see DT.

LB: Larry English is an OLB whose games BP has been to but he will play DE in our system, not OLB. The Colts have talked to Marcus Freeman of Ohio State, they may go after him in the 2nd or 3rd round, most definitely.

Geo
02-23-2009, 09:20 AM
I really like Freeman, so if the Colts chose to draft him in the 2nd round, I'd be very pleased. He would be a stud WLB, and I wouldn't rule out him possibly playing inside too.

That is if Freeman reaches the pick. I think he will have a great Combine performance, which won't help those chances.

chad72
02-23-2009, 09:42 AM
The source is www.kffl.com

Colts have talked to the following:

University of Georgia DT Corvey Irvin
Penn State WR Derrick Williams
Louisiana State WR Demetrius Byrd
Ohio State LB Marcus Freeman

Dam8610
03-01-2009, 09:34 AM
Going through the entire team does raise the sort of positions that Polian may be looking at. He will be looking at a few key positions that need strengthened. While Best Player Available is always a good team building philiosophy, in a year when Indy have a few needs and not a lot of cap I could see Polian being a wee bit more direct. I think the Franchise needs 2009 to be a good year so that people don't start complaining that Jim Caldwell isn't Tony Dungy.

Offense

on the offense there are only three positions that he may be worrying about and I don't buy two of them. They are RB, WR and OC.

With the fact that Saturday is going to test the market there may be a bit of a look at players like Unger and Mack. I don't see it as we drafted 3 Centres last year.

With the piss poor performace from the run game all year, many a person are suggesting that Indy may draft a permament replacement for Rhodes, especially given how good the top tiers of this Running Back class is. I don't think he will as even if they don't resign Rhodes they still have a number of fringe backs who are well liked by the Coaches. Also Mike Hart was drafted, in my opinion, to be that second back. It is just a shame that he got injured so early.

The other position is WR. It seems to be the worst kept secret in football that Marvin Harrison isn't going to be a Colt next year, either through a cut or retirment. In my opinion though this doesn't open up a huge need at Wide Receiver. In Manning's brilliant year in 2004, Indy had 3 brilliant receivers in Harrison, Wayne and Stokley. Now Indy have two brilliant receivers in Wayne and Dallas Clark and a number of very talented young receivers, especially in Gonzalez. I view the drafting of someone like Percy Harvin as a luxury pick. I don't think the Franchise should do it.

Defense

Teams normally draft their first round talent with an expectation to play almost immediately or at least compete for a place immediately. There are two positions that make it then, in my opinion, and they are DT and WLB.

Indy are very short at DT, with the Pitcock retirment, Booger's knees giving out and Ed Johnson doing a Ricky Williams. This is the biggest reason behind to rather pourus run defense this year. A finese 3 Technique DT is needed as well as just a big run stuffer. Indy's biggest problem with this is that there are no players in and around the bottom of the 1st who fit either bill. If Jerry was to fall then he should be snapped up, otherwise the Finese player can be gained in the bottom of the 2nd with a Sen'Derrick Marks pick or even Fili Moala. The big run stuffer can be drafted later but if Ron Brace's stock goes up then Indy could be obliged to take him.

The other option is Weakside Linebacker. The Tampa 2 system depends on 4 positions. A run stoping safety (like Bob Sanders), a pass rushing DE (Freeney or Mathis), a penetrating 3 Technique and a playmaking Will Linebacker. Indy have the first two. They haven't ever had the 3 Technique and haven't had the Will since Cato June was with the Franchise. The need for a Will Linebacker needs to be filled on Day One.

So there are your options people. Who do you think Polian is looking at?

Wait, what? WLB, a need? If the Colts are still going to run a similar scheme next year, plugging in Session at WLB and Wheeler at SLB is about the smartest move they could make. Session played SLB for most of the 2008 season, and he had an up and down year, making great plays at times and missing his assignments at other times. BUT, I think when he did miss his assignments, there was a reason for it: he plays like a WLB and he was forced into the responsibilities of a SLB to see the field. That means when he went to chase the ballcarrier, as any good WLB will do in this scheme, he'd overpursue the backside, and a cutback lane would be created. I think if moved to WLB, that weakness would transform into a strength and he'll transform from a good SLB to a great WLB.

As for who I think the Colts are wanting to draft, I would have to say Jerry. There's no other player that makes much sense that could fall to the pick IMO.

chad72
03-02-2009, 08:46 AM
BP says you can't find value in DT after pick 15, which means that he will find value in it. With Evander Hood rising on boards and with the Bucs failing to get Haynesworth, the Bucs will get Peria Jerry.

So, here is an out-of-the-box (maybe head-scratching:)) mock for you guys:

Round 1 - Evander Hood, DT, Missouri (stock rising rapidly, can play both UT & NT for Colts)
Round 2 - Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State (great work ethic, had good combine too, overshadowed by Lauranitis and JL's hype)
Round 3 - Asher Allen, CB, Georgia (will be solid in our CB rotation and will fit our system fine too)
Round 4 - Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn State (2 years at LT, 1 year at LG, will be solid in NFL)
Round 4 comp pick for Jake Scott (since Titans went to the playoffs, rumor is we could get a 4th round comp pick for Jake Scott easily) - Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina, he can really be a solid MLB
Round 5 - Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia (another solid DT for our system)
Round 6 - Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU (4.42 40, good junior year production, senior year production dropped off due to LSU's QB issues, IMO, runs good routes, stands at 6'0", 199 lbs, played elite SEC competition)
Round 7 - Orion Martin, DE, Virginia Tech, at 6'2" and 262 lbs, he can definitely play DE in our system, very good work ethic

psulion21
03-02-2009, 01:57 PM
i would be content but at this point rather than taking evander hood in the first i would rather see us trade the pick

Geo
03-04-2009, 02:26 AM
Considering four majors factors - (1) character, (2) intelligence, (3) pre-Draft testing/speed, and (4) production - I think these are the four candidates for the Colts' 1st round pick. In order of my estimation of likelihood to be drafted by the Colts:

1. WR Percy Harvin, Florida
A natural selection to bring speed, explosion, and elusiveness to the Colts' receiving core, which hasn't been near as good in YAC as it used to be 4-5 years ago. Harvin is a potential playmaker that doesn't often reach the 27th overall pick, including contributing as the dynamic return man the Colts have been long seeking. The reason he lasts this long though is the serious concern of him coming from a spread offense, and perhaps the even greater concern for the Colts is if Harvin truly has the exact make-up to be a Colts' receiver like Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez. He very well may not, and that may push the Colts to take another wide receiver in that 1st round spot or target one later on in the Draft.

2. DT Ziggy Hood, Missouri
It's possible that to the Colts and for what they seek/value, Hood's potential and ability might make him a better fit and choice in the 1st round than his collegiate career and pass-rushing stats would otherwise indicate. Needs to play lower more consistently. Hood tests extremely well, even improving on his Combine numbers at the recent Missouri pro day. However we've seen how rarely the Colts regard defensive tackles as BPA in the first two rounds, and in this vein, it's quite feasible that they think the difference between Hood in the late 1st and a late 3rd round DT - guys I would cite as examples are Alex Magee of Purdue, Dorrell Scott of Clemson, and Mitch King of Iowa - is small enough relative to other positional comparisons that it hurts this pick's chances somewhat.

3. LB Clay Matthews, Southern Cal
The biggest surprise here, a linebacker and it's Matthews of all people (Aaron Curry obviously excluded). Production is a glaring concern but he may have just scratched the surface of his potential at Southern Cal, and with his great athleticism, perhaps the Colts project him as a future Tampa-2 MIKE in the mold of Brian Urlacher. Or instead a stud WILL, another critical position in this defense. Similar case to Evander Hood/DTs, in that: (1) we have yet to see even once the Colts value the linebacker position as first-2-rounds-BPA since Tony Dungy implemented his defense; and (2) there are good linebacker candidates available in the next two rounds without too much of drop in value, specifically three guys in Marcus Freeman of Ohio State, Tyrone McKenzie of South Florida, and Scott McKillop of Pittsburgh. Those guys might even be considered safer picks given the level of projection involved with Matthews.

4. CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
Smith ran an okay 40 time, well enough that his ball skills and coverage ability bridge the gap. Size will be an issue, even for the Colts given that this is a 1st round pick, although perhaps the greater concern is that Smith needs to be a better tackler versus what he exhibited at Wake Forest That the Colts aren't necessarily needy at cornerback, and there is plenty of scheme-capable mid-round prospects in this year's class, possibly hurts Smith's chances of being drafted by the Colts.

Guys not listed:

- I don't believe either Darrius Heyward-Bey or Knowshon Moreno will reach the 27th overall pick. Assuming Moreno is even on the radar, having such a horrible 40 time (4.6) and character/intelligence/psych evals.

- There is more than one concern with Peria Jerry, maybe most especially durability - he didn't perform at the Combine because of a hamstring. Though I would certainly like it if the Colts did draft him, he may not exactly be the slam dunk some are thinking he is for the team. If he gets past Detroit at #20, I think he reaches the Colts' pick position so that we'll find out.

- James Laurinaitis will probably run a better 40 time at his pro day, than his 4.76-4.80 from the Combine, but there is nonetheless some concern about a potential lack of explosion and quickness in college/film and at the Combine. That stuff doesn't lie, especially considering the Combine is held on the Colts' own field, so it may not bode well for him in terms of being drafted by the Colts in the 1st round.

- Brian Cushing didn't wow at the Combine like some expected either, plus he might not be the best fit, so it's probably unlikely that the Colts draft him in the first.

- What if both Heyward-Bey and Harvin are both off the board come the Colts' pick? Do they give up on getting a speedster and instead go for one of the bigger wide receivers? With his great character, size, and intelligence, Brian Robiskie might be the top-ranked guy of that group. Kenny Britt perhaps third, but maybe he or Hakeem Nicks endear themselves to the Colts such that one or both moves ahead of Robiskie. Should really be interesting to see what the Colts do in that scenario, which I am thinking is likely.

- If LeSean McCoy runs 4.40 flat or better, he might come into the picture. Although I'm somewhat leery of Polian taking a RB in the first, when Joseph Addai has two more years left on his existing rookie contract.


I have to admit, at the moment I'm personally favoring Ziggy Hood myself. But it doesn't make as much sense compared to WR. If the Colts don't draft a WR early, the only other options they really have (for what they are looking for) is Derrick Williams in the 2nd round IF he runs 4.45 or better at the Penn State pro day. Maybe another PSU receiver in Deon Butler, if the Colts think he can keep his weight at 180 but even that might not be enough for Polian. He doesn't like receivers that light, and I don't think he's drafted any at that weight. Meanwhile the Colts can easily draft a solid DT or two from the 2nd round on, without anywhere near the drop-off.

And given what we know about the Colts in the Draft in the Polian era, there isn't any tangible evidence that they will rate a DT as BPA over some of the talented wide receivers in this class. Maybe they will though, if Peria Jerry or Ziggy Hood is there, and/or if they are looking for speed but both Heyward-Bey and Harvin are off the board.

chad72
03-04-2009, 08:54 AM
the Colts' receiving core, which hasn't been near as good in YAC as it used to be 4-5 years ago. But Polian will look for a WR because they won't have the money to even sign a vet cheap, plus more importantly, there might not even be a great fit for the Colts after the first round (unless you are a big believer in either Penn State receiver, Derrick Williams or Deon Butler). So between limited options at a potential need and Polian saying BPA is the focus in the first two rounds, WR is the likely pick and Harvin brings the speed that the Colts covet.

If you value the few years that Manning has left in the tank preciously, a rookie DT will have more impact for the team than a rookie WR who will probably be sitting on the bench for a while learning the playbook. You draft for BPA but then if you have 2 players graded as first round potential (Ziggy Hood and Percy Harvin) available to you, the number of years it will take to develop Harvin vs Hood will have to be factored into the decision since Manning is not going to be around forever. I would think that will impact the decision and I hope it does. Besides, we have not seen what Garcon can truly do as a #3 and Gonzo can truly do as a #2. The presence of Marvin did not allow us that luxury last year. Plus one more year of the playbook will do wonders for Garcon, Tamme and Santi too. More 2 TE formations than 3 WR formations will help our O be top 5 again, IMO. Gonzo brought it whenever his number was called, the upside is real high, IMO, and he can produce in space if his number is called more often.

I am leaning towards Ziggy Hood as well for the above reasons.

Here is an article I found on national football post:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/scouts-eye-combine-breakdown-2/

About DTs, it says this:

Also moving up in the defensive line rankings are tackles Evander Hood from Missouri and Myron Pryor from Kentucky. Hood was already viewed as a likely second-round pick, but after a strong showing Monday, which included a sub-5.0 time in the 40 and 34 reps on the bench, he might be making a run toward the latter portions of round one. Pryor, on the other hand, is considered more of a late-round guy, but he displayed excellent foot quickness, body control and punch during position drills. His 5.1 40 time was enough to impress scouts, and with the nose tackle class as weak as it is, Pryor may have guaranteed himself a spot the mid/late rounds.

It would be great if we can land Hood in round 1 and Pryor in round 4 or something like that, then Hood can play UT and Pryor NT in the rotation. Just those 2 alone will ramp our run D big time.

Another video I loved was that of this guy, Jarett Dillard, he is so much the route running freak that the Colts would love, he is like the younger Marvin Harrison, slightly slower but leaps higher (combine high 42" vertical) and runs routes just like Marvin, so smooth. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzDRBxgKMBQ

By taking him at the end of the 3rd round, we fulfill our YAC needs possibly because of the separation this guy would create (you will know what I am talking about when you see the video).

1 - Evander Hood, 2 - Marcus Freeman, 3 - Jarett Dillard, and 4 - Myron Pryor, now that would be 4 picks I would love to have:).

redviper311
03-04-2009, 09:33 AM
If you value the few years that Manning has left in the tank preciously, a rookie DT will have more impact for the team than a rookie WR who will probably be sitting on the bench for a while learning the playbook. You draft for BPA but then if you have 2 players graded as first round potential (Ziggy Hood and Percy Harvin) available to you, the number of years it will take to develop Harvin vs Hood will have to be factored into the decision since Manning is not going to be around forever. I would think that will impact the decision and I hope it does. Besides, we have not seen what Garcon can truly do as a #3 and Gonzo can truly do as a #2. The presence of Marvin did not allow us that luxury last year. Plus one more year of the playbook will do wonders for Garcon, Tamme and Santi too. More 2 TE formations than 3 WR formations will help our O be top 5 again, IMO. Gonzo brought it whenever his number was called, the upside is real high, IMO, and he can produce in space if his number is called more often.

I am leaning towards Ziggy Hood as well for the above reasons.

Here is an article I found on national football post:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/scouts-eye-combine-breakdown-2/

About DTs, it says this:

Also moving up in the defensive line rankings are tackles Evander Hood from Missouri and Myron Pryor from Kentucky. Hood was already viewed as a likely second-round pick, but after a strong showing Monday, which included a sub-5.0 time in the 40 and 34 reps on the bench, he might be making a run toward the latter portions of round one. Pryor, on the other hand, is considered more of a late-round guy, but he displayed excellent foot quickness, body control and punch during position drills. His 5.1 40 time was enough to impress scouts, and with the nose tackle class as weak as it is, Pryor may have guaranteed himself a spot the mid/late rounds.

It would be great if we can land Hood in round 1 and Pryor in round 4 or something like that, then Hood can play UT and Pryor NT in the rotation. Just those 2 alone will ramp our run D big time.

Another video I loved was that of this guy, Jarett Dillard, he is so much the route running freak that the Colts would love, he is like Marvin, slightly slower but leaps higher (combine high 42" vertical) and runs routes just like Marvin, so smooth. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzDRBxgKMBQ

By taking him at the end of the 3rd round, we fulfill our YAC needs possibly because of the separation this guy would create (you will know what I am talking about when you see the video).

1 - Evander Hood, 2 - Marcus Freeman, 3 - Jarett Dillard, and 4 - Myron Pryor, now that would be 4 picks I would love to have:) .

When I look at both Evander Hood and Myron Pryor on film they both remind me of Vincent "Sweet Pea" Burns a quick DE/DT twineer out of Kentucky. Burns was drafted in the 3rd round of the '05 Draft by the Colts and was compared by many to a young John Randle for Colts, Burns never lived up to his draft position and was subsequently released from the team after only a few injury riddled seasons.

I personaly would rather spend our 1st round pick on Percy Harvin whom I think could be very explosive as KR/PR till he develops into a soild WR or Clay Matthews, LB, USC whom Geo hit it on the head could be more like a Brian Urlacher in our Tampa 2 scheme.

chad72
03-04-2009, 09:52 AM
When I look at both Evander Hood and Myron Pryor on film they both remind me of Vincent "Sweet Pea" Burns a quick DE/DT twineer out of Kentucky. Burns was drafted in the 3rd round of the '05 Draft by the Colts and was compared by many to a young John Randle for Colts, Burns never lived up to his draft position and was subsequently released from the team after only a few injury riddled seasons.

I personaly would rather spend our 1st round pick on Percy Harvin whom I think could be very explosive as KR/PR till he develops into a soild WR or Clay Matthews, LB, USC whom Geo hit it on the head could be more like a Brian Urlacher in our Tampa 2 scheme.

Vincent "Sweet Pea" Burns was 6'1", 267 lbs and was a true tweener out of Kentucky, Mitch King should be the closest comparison in this draft, IMO. Burns' primary position was DE, not DT. Evander Hood is 300 lbs and Myron Pryor weighed in at 319 lbs at the combine, no tweeners by any means. So the comparison is way off. Besides, Vincent Burns was projected to be a round 6 pick and BP took a flyer on him. Kelvin Hayden was projected to be a round 6 player too but BP's flyer on him for round 2 paid off.

I just personally feel that BP is not a great evaluator of DT talent when it comes to the draft, he is with other positions. So he should set his personal evaluation of DTs aside and take someone else's advice (maybe Larry Coyer) when evaluating a DT for his team. It does not help that our DT efforts have been snake-bitten as well with Simon going down, Booger going down, Pitcock quitting and Ed Johnson weeding out. Larry Triplett in round 2 in 2002 and Quinn Pitcock in round 3 in 2007 may not have been stellar but as long as they were there, they were somewhat solid.

The only thing I will agree with you on is that other than DT, the only other position I would like to have is an LB in the first round. Given the fact that the Colts talked to Marcus Freeman who makes a good tackling weakside LB for the Tampa 2, IMO, and given the fact that they gave up their rights to Keiaho, who played weakside LB, I feel Larry Coyer may be looking for bulkier LBs. It also explains why we have not gone after Cato June either. Thus, if Marcus Freeman is who the Colts are interested in, he will be there at the end of round 2.

If Manning is as good as they say he is (which I think he is), he will get the most out of Garcon and Tamme if they can get up to speed with the playbook. Garcon has 4.42 speed while Harvin has 4.37 speed, Garcon of course dominated DIII but neither Garcon or Gonzo has had time to build chemistry with Peyton in training camp like a primary wideout. Santi looked impressive till he got hurt, comes from a good TE school, Univ. of Virginia. It is easy to overlook the strengths of the draft picks from the previous year when new ones come along but a WR (or TE) with similar potential with another year of the playbook under him is more valuable in the Colts offense than another project. If I just wanted a KR/PR usage out of a first round pick, I'd rather spend it on Mike Wallace in the 3rd or 4th round, IMO.

I am sure value DTs will be available in several rounds other than the first round like Jarron Gilbert, Fili Moala, Vance Walker, Myron Pryor, Sammie Lee Hill, Terrance Knighton etc. but the question is, will BP pull a D-line parade like he pulled an O-line parade in the draft last year? Unlikely but I'd be happy if he gets 1 DT on day 1.

chad72
03-05-2009, 09:15 AM
I just believe it is time to take care of 3 primary positions in the draft that will solve most problems on D and O - DT (1 UT, 1 NT) and LB (1 OLB, 1 MLB)on D, OT on O (front 7 on D, front 5 on O is what wins you most games).

Once the DT and LB positions are shored up, our CBs and safeties will look much better, stay healthier since they will not have to deal with as many run plays getting to them often with TEs and OLs bruising them. Then by focusing on OL and run blocking, we will be less reliant on WRs and no matter who the WRs are, if the run game opens things up for Manning, he will make them look good anyway. Manning can make several ordinary WRs/TEs look good.

Seamus2602
03-06-2009, 06:46 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pTiEACxfpVM/SYRaV8jq-bI/AAAAAAAAALc/atmEjduPvUY/s400/Colts.bmp

Alright, I’ve put together a little Mock Draft of what I feel would be the best case scenario for the Indianapolis Colts.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pTiEACxfpVM/SbEbBXcN5dI/AAAAAAAAAQc/GYinT4E_UKI/s400/Rookie.bmp

1st – James Laurinaitis – LB – Ohio State University

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There seem to be two areas of opinion on this board over the state of the Linebacking Corp. On one side you have those who feel that Clint Session and Philip Wheeler can man the outside and an eventual replacement for Gary Brackett must be sought. There are others who feel that while a replacement must be sought for Brackett, the primary need for the Linebackers is to find a starting Will Linebacker. James Laurinaitis can fill both of those roles. He can both play the Will this season and take over from Gary Brackett next season. I personally feel a starting Linebacker team of Laurinaitis, Brackett and Wheeler would one of the better Linebacker teams that we have had for many years. Laurinaitis is one of the top Linebackers in the draft who can help shore a team up against the run and also is quite good in coverage making him very well suited for the Tampa 2.

2nd – Sen’Derrick Marks – UT – Auburn University

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There are four elite positions in a Tampa 2 Defense. The Colts, in my opinion, have three players in two of the positions. They are an Elite Pass Rusher, which the Colts have two of in Freeney and Mathis, and a Dynamic Safety, which the Colts have with Bob Sanders. The two they lack are a playmaking Will Linebacker and Penetrating 3 Technique. There is a reason that the Defense suffers in Bob Sanders’ absence. It isn’t that Bullitt isn’t a decent player, which he is. It is because Bullitt isn’t elite. It is the reason that, for example, I feel Indy need to upgrade over Clint Session. Once again, he is a decent player, just not elite. It is well known that Indy need to upgrade over their current Defensive Tackles and that is why Sen’Derrick Marks would be the perfect pick in the 2nd Round. He not only upgrades over the current Defensive Tackles but he is also a prototypical 3 Technique. He is solid against the Run but his is also quick with an excellent burst through the middle.

3rd – Rhett Bomar – QB – Sam Houston State University

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I am drawing inspiration from our hated enemy in this pick. Two events that have helped me shape this pick. Firstly, the Patriots drafted Kevin O’Connell in the 3rd Round last year. He is their team project for the next couple of years. Indy needs to do the same. As difficult as this may be, we need to start preparing for the post Manning era. The second event is obviously the injury to Tom Brady. I think that scared a lot of teams with elite Quarterbacks, some, like the Steelers, went out and got a backup with playing experience. I ask a question, if Manning was to go down do you trust Jim Sorgi with the reins of the Offense. I sure as hell don’t. Rhett Bomar did a stupid thing in College. He accepted money when he shouldn’t have. As a result he fell down the Draft Board as he had to transfer school. If he hadn’t done that then he would have completed this year as the starting Quarterback of the Sooners. No Sam Bradford. Bomar’s talent should have made him a 1st Round Quarterback and I think if he is still on the board come the pick in the 3rd Round then Indy need to jump.

4th – Xavier Fulton – OT – University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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Xavier Fulton is exactly the type of player that Indy need for the Offensive Line. In my opinion, no upgrade is needed at any starting position. In last year’s draft, Indy invested heavily in the Interior Line positions. This year we need to upgrade the depth at Offensive Tackle. Xavier Fulton is ideal for a Zone Blocking System, is quite strong and quick and can play both Left and Right Tackle.

5th – Joe Burnett – CB – University of Central Florida

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pTiEACxfpVM/SbEZqO64ydI/AAAAAAAAAPs/cM3ZOh1vEEQ/s400/Burnett.bmp

With the resigning of Kelvin Hayden, the CB position isn’t a primary need, but better depth is needed as at one stage last season our starting Cornerbacks were Tim Jennings and Keiwan Ratliff. Burnett is exactly the type of Cornerback who will excel in the Cover 2 system. He is excellent in zone coverage and he hits the ball carrier hard. Burnett also brings in help with the Return Game.

6th – Chris Baker – NT – Hampton University

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Chris Baker is a risk pick. He is a risk because he doesn’t have the greatest off the field record. Baker was suspended from Penn State and eventually kicked out after an off the field assault. The upside is that if he can get his act together then Chris Baker is an absolute steal in the 6th Round. If it wasn’t for his off the field antics then Baker would probably been the 3rd Nose Tackle taken, probably in the 3rd or 4th Rounds. His talent will enable him to probably come in and start for the Colts on Day 1. He is excellent size for a Nose Tackle, and is a demon against the run. He also is very good at rushing the passer and collapsing the pocket. Baker ran a sub 5 second 40 time in the Combine. With Baker and Marks Indy will have a dominant Defensive Line combo for many years.

7th – Sammie Stroughter – WR – Oregon State University

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pTiEACxfpVM/SbEZ2CVgDcI/AAAAAAAAAQM/Q_d_jrXmlM0/s400/Stroughter.bmp

A lot of people believed that Indy should draft a Wide Receiver to replace Marvin Harrison. Personally, I already though we did in 2007. Gonzalez played his best football lining up opposite to Reggie Wayne, not playing in the Slot. Indy doesn’t really have a Wide Receiver who fits into the Slot well. The best Slot Receiver in the team is Dallas Clark, who isn’t even a Wide Receiver. Stroughter provides a project who can eventually contribute as a Slot Receiver. In the mean time he also gives the team options in the Return Game. In my opinion, if I was to name a player he reminds me the most of I would have to say Wes Welker. He wouldn’t burn a Corner or have massive bursts of speed but he is good in the underneath routes and will make defenders miss.

So, there you have it:

1 QB
1 WR
1 OT
2 DT
1 LB
1 CB

The Colts get a good mixture of every position, as well as three players who could start next year, as well as solid depth in several positions. It also gives Rychleski more options in the Return Game, something Indy really need to improve on.

chad72
03-06-2009, 08:57 AM
Seamus2602, nice draft. Here are my thoughts:

The Colts will more likely use an early LB pick for the OLB than the MLB position. The pass coverage skills for the MLB position are more important in the Colts Tampa 2 system and are not learnt overnight. It is more easier to play the OLB (or weakside linebacker). That is one reason why when Brackett was not there, Gates had all that room in the middle for wide open passes in the Chargers playoff game. So, an early LB pick will most likely play the OLB position first even if he will eventually replace Brackett.

I agree that the first pick should be either LB or DT though BP has always defied our thought process, sometimes he tries too hard to outsmart everyone instead of just playing it traditional and choosing someone that is accepted by everyone as a solid pick at that first round pick spot. My preference would be DT first with Evander Hood and LB next with Marcus Freeman (the other Buckeye LB:-)).

After all the buzz about Quinn Gray and Jared Lorenzen last pre-season, the Colts still carried only 2 QBs on the roster. It would probably take another injury to Manning before the Colts drafted a future QB, it would be too much of a wasted draft pick. Like you said, we could get an elite safety there at the 3rd round. Or, like you said, Gonzo actually played better at Marvin's spot when Marvin was injured in 2007 than the slot. So, we get a guy for the slot who runs great routes and gets open. That guy, IMO, is Jarett Dillard of Rice University who will be sitting at the 3rd round pick spot most likely. I like your Xavier Fulton pick, perfect fit for us.

Seamus2602
03-06-2009, 11:23 AM
So, an early LB pick will most likely play the OLB position first even if he will eventually replace Brackett.

That is why I have gone with Baby Animal in the 1st instead of, as you say, Hood in the 1st and Freeman in the 2nd. I don't think Marcus Freeman projects will in to the Mike. Laurinaitis can come in straight away and play Will Linebacker and eventually replace Brackett, while if we were to draft Freeman then it would probably be to permanently play him in the Will.

I agree that the first pick should be either LB or DT though BP has always defied our thought process, sometimes he tries too hard to outsmart everyone instead of just playing it traditional and choosing someone that is accepted by everyone as a solid pick at that first round pick spot.

Bill Polian does reguarly think outside the box, and it normally works, but with them bringing in a new Defensive Coordinator I think Polian will have to give him some good toys to play with.

After all the buzz about Quinn Gray and Jared Lorenzen last pre-season, the Colts still carried only 2 QBs on the roster. It would probably take another injury to Manning before the Colts drafted a future QB, it would be too much of a wasted draft pick.

The reason was because they were both donkeys. While Sorgi doesn't have a better skill set than them he still knows the Offense and as such is preferable to them. But a new Rookie Quarterback, with a significantly better skillset to Sorgi, could come in and learn the Offense and in a year or two Sorgi could be cut and we could have a solid backup Quarterback with the ability to start if the worst should happen.

bored of education
03-06-2009, 11:45 AM
Los Angeles Daily News - Quarterback Mark Sanchez is expected to perform private workouts for the New York Jets and Indianapolis Colts before participating in USC's Pro Day on April 1

chad72
03-06-2009, 12:12 PM
Los Angeles Daily News - Quarterback Mark Sanchez is expected to perform private workouts for the New York Jets and Indianapolis Colts before participating in USC's Pro Day on April 1

Nothing but a smoke screen. If they are doing a smoke screen, why make it so obvious? Why not do it with Josh Freeman or someone who may slip to the first or second round pick of the Colts or something like that as a backup to Manning?

Henry B
03-06-2009, 12:24 PM
According to New Era Scouting (http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-team-interest/) the Colts are interested in the following players:

Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois APD
Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson I
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State I
Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest I
Mitch King, DE, Iowa I
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest I
David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame I
Connor Barwin, DE/TE, Cincinnati I
Zach Follett, LB, California I
Ron Brace, DT, Boston College I

APD = attended pro day
I = interviewed.

The name that intrigued me the most on that list is Ron Brace. A body like his in the middle would do wonders i think. I've never seen him play so i can't really comment further...

roscoesdad27
03-06-2009, 01:54 PM
1) J. Maclin w.r. mizzou
extremely fast and elusive w.r. with very good hands...will help fill the void left by harrison and allow gonzalez to move back to his dangerous slot position...tremendous on reverses and bubble screen type plays and is the best return guy in the draft....great weapon for peyton.

2) S. Marks d.t. auburn
penetrating d.t. fills a huge need at tremendous value here...would take about 30 seconds to make this pick.

3) M. Harris c.b v.t.
physical corner with great ball skills fits your scheme to perfection at tremendous value here.


complete mock here
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1533596&posted=1#post1533596

thoughts?

Geo
03-06-2009, 07:06 PM
- I updated my earlier post. I may have been too harsh on some guys, or need to phrase some things better.

- Very nice mock by Seamus. Agreed on Laurinaitis that he could potentially step in immediately at WLB and eventually take over at MLB, if that was a plan in mind. I don't like the Bomar pick though, only because I don't like him at all and don't think he can be a servicable passer in the league. Feel's like a poor man's Kyle Boller to me, maybe he'll prove me wrong in a few years though. Laurinaitis can be somewhat quick when he's going downhill, although that's part of the problem as he seems to play too tentative most of the time (maybe it's tied to the coaching at tOSU).

- I don't see the Colts ending up with Sen'Derrick Marks. It's not that I don't like him or think he wouldn't fit the defense, but there's concern about his conditioning and his character plus he doesn't have enough production to be a Colts' 2nd round pick. So the pick is very unlikely, if the Colts grade him as a third or fourth round draft pick yet he doesn't last that long. Personally I don't think it will happen, but you may feel differently.

- That Western Illinois linebacker Jason Williams sounds really interesting.

Geo
03-06-2009, 07:24 PM
Polian has said that the team will go BPA in the first two rounds, and then try and fill needs after that in the Draft. So I don't expect the team to draft a DT until the third round. Two biggers guys I like are Alex Magee and Dorrell Scott, with an outside shot at Mitch King because he's such a hard worker and has such good character/intelligence. So DT in the 3rd?

Except ... the team also needs to draft a LB, if not two. After the starting trio of Session/Brackett/Wheeler, the only depth the Colts really have is Jordan Senn and Michael Okwo. So do they draft a linebacker instead in the 3rd round?

Does one of either LB or DT drop to the 4th round? Or just maybe the Colts break their long trends and take either a DT or LB in the 2nd round to accomodate needs? Maybe they get fortunate enough that a DT or LB is their BPA in one of the first two rounds, but that could be incredibly unlikely imo.

It's only happened once in the last seven years (Tripplett in '02), the period of time in which Tony Dungy installed this current defense, which won't be changing much even though he's now retired.

So my framework mock:

1st round - Wide Receiver ... Robiskie or Nicks? I think DHB and Harvin are off the board ...
2nd round - ??? Who will the BPA be? Need to research more.
3rd round - DT most likely. Maybe LB, if the Colts go DT in the 2nd.

chad72
03-07-2009, 11:47 AM
Except ... the team also needs to draft a LB, if not two. After the starting trio of Session/Brackett/Wheeler, the only depth the Colts really have is Jordan Senn and Michael Okwo. So do they draft a linebacker instead in the 3rd round?


Don't forget Rufus Alexander who came from a Cover 2 Minnesota defense as well. He might provide much needed depth in a system he is familiar with.



So my framework mock:

1st round - Wide Receiver ... Robiskie or Nicks? I think DHB and Harvin are off the board ...
2nd round - ??? Who will the BPA be? Need to research more.
3rd round - DT most likely. Maybe LB, if the Colts go DT in the 2nd.

If indeed BP goes WR with pick 1, then Lauranitis will not be there when we pick in the second round. It is very likely we go DT & LB in the 2nd and 3rd round then. Possibilities include Fili Moala, Ron Brace, Vance Walker, Alex Magee and Marcus Freeman off the top of my head.

If the slot WR is the issue, I really strongly feel Jarett Dillard will be the steal of the draft in the 3rd round given how well he runs routes and how productive he has been along with his vertical capability and awareness for the sidelines. Of course, this will succeed a DT and LB combo in the first 2 rounds.

killxswitch
03-09-2009, 09:19 AM
No Alex Magee please.

Seamus I like your mock with the exception of the Bomar pick. I'd rather grab a bigger RB option like Shonn Greene or, if he's not available, Rashad Jennings. Someone to split carries with Addai who can soften the D in the first half and allow Addai's shifty style and screen pass catching ability to actually work. Also someone like that would be nice to have on maybe a 3rd down situation where your entire season hinges on getting 2 freaking yards.

I am warming up to Marks though I still think he is a big unknown at this point for such a high pick. I would rather have Hood, or Jaron Gilbert. Or Mitch King in a later round.

The similarities between Chris Baker and Ed Johnson are eerie. What was the extent of the off-the-field problems? I know Joe Paterno can sometimes be too hard on his players but in the case of Ed Johnson it was a mistake to rely so much on him.

killxswitch
03-09-2009, 09:23 AM
1) J. Maclin w.r. mizzou
extremely fast and elusive w.r. with very good hands...will help fill the void left by harrison and allow gonzalez to move back to his dangerous slot position...tremendous on reverses and bubble screen type plays and is the best return guy in the draft....great weapon for peyton.

2) S. Marks d.t. auburn
penetrating d.t. fills a huge need at tremendous value here...would take about 30 seconds to make this pick.

3) M. Harris c.b v.t.
physical corner with great ball skills fits your scheme to perfection at tremendous value here.


complete mock here
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1533596&posted=1#post1533596

thoughts?

If Maclin fell as far as #27 I am sure the Colts will pick him. That said I hope he doesn't because I don't want another 1st round WR.

I mentioned this earlier but Marks is kind of an unknown to go so high. I am not necessarily against picking him but I don't know if he has the production Polian would want in order to draft him early. I have a feeling he would wait til the 3rd or later if Marks was the best available DT.

Don't know much about Harris.

Geo
03-09-2009, 12:14 PM
No Alex Magee please.

Seamus I like your mock with the exception of the Bomar pick. I'd rather grab a bigger RB option like Shonn Greene or, if he's not available, Rashad Jennings. Someone to split carries with Addai who can soften the D in the first half and allow Addai's shifty style and screen pass catching ability to actually work. Also someone like that would be nice to have on maybe a 3rd down situation where your entire season hinges on getting 2 freaking yards.
Granted Magee wasn't very productive as a DT at Purdue (he played '08 as a DE), but I think he might have the tools and ability to fit the defense. Has pretty good size and strength. At the late 3rd round pick, maybe he gets some consideration if he's still on the board.

As for a bigger back, I wouldn't get my hopes up on that front. Or at all, really. Has Bill Polian ever drafted a power back, even in Buffalo or Carolina? I don't think so, he'd rather have his back have good vision and hit the hole quickly, to get as many yards as possible.

Nevermind RBs who can't run under 4.6, there is zero chance Polian will draft them.

Seamus2602
03-09-2009, 12:24 PM
Seamus I like your mock with the exception of the Bomar pick. I'd rather grab a bigger RB option like Shonn Greene or, if he's not available, Rashad Jennings. Someone to split carries with Addai who can soften the D in the first half and allow Addai's shifty style and screen pass catching ability to actually work. Also someone like that would be nice to have on maybe a 3rd down situation where your entire season hinges on getting 2 freaking yards.

That could be an option, as we do need to improve the Run Game. But I don't think we need new personell to do that, I just think we need them all to be healthy going into Training Camp.

I am warming up to Marks though I still think he is a big unknown at this point for such a high pick. I would rather have Hood, or Jaron Gilbert. Or Mitch King in a later round.

The problem with Ziggy Hood is that I feel he will be stuck in between our picks. I think he'll be a reach in the 1st and gone by the 2nd. I hate the idea of getting Gilbert or King. Most of our DT in the past have been these DT/DE tweeners and there is a reason why our DTs have never been good. We need a solid, real DT.

The similarities between Chris Baker and Ed Johnson are eerie. What was the extent of the off-the-field problems? I know Joe Paterno can sometimes be too hard on his players but in the case of Ed Johnson it was a mistake to rely so much on him.

He got into a fight and got convicted of Simple Assault. Paterno kicked him out and Penn State expelled him. He said he pleaded guilty because his family couldn't afford the legal expenses of a trial. I think the team need to have a good look at him, evaluate as to whether his off the field antics will continue into the NFL and if they feel okay with his character then they need to snap him up. He is an absolute monster on the field. 326 lbs, solid tackler and runs a 4.94. His ability speaks for itself. We just need to find out about his character.

killxswitch
03-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Here's my first ever anywhere mock draft for the Colts, including a 5th round compensatory pick for losing Jake Scott to FA. It could be a 4th but I am not counting on that. This is what I would like to see tempered with what I think Polian would do. I am going to copy Seamus' format because I like it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/3342177358_a75f76f577.jpg

1. Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/64044/JerryPeria.jpg

Most think he will be gone before our pick, but I disagree. He is 25 and has already had 3 leg injuries. I am assuming that the above factors coupled with his potential mean he is not going to be a top 15 pick.

Atlanta already has Babineaux, just lost Grady Jackson at NT, and lost a starting LB to FA. Tampa is moving to a different style of defense that values bigger DTs. I don't think teams will look at Jerry as a 3-4 DE so that eliminates the Chargers, Jets, Patriots, Dolphins, and maybe the Ravens. The Bears could use him but need offense more, same with the Lions. The Vikings are set at DT, as are the Eagles.

Jerry's age is an advantage in that he is already as strong as many NFL vets and should have more mental toughness than a 21 year old rookie. He should be able to start immediately and really upgrade our front 4. We don't need developmental picks early, we need to win now and Jerry is the right type of player to help us do that. If we can get Jerry in the first the draft is a win to me regardless of whatever else happens.

2. 2. Sean Smith, CB, Utah

http://deseretnews.com/photos/6387785.jpg

Former WR that transitioned to CB and got 9 INTs in less than two full years as a starter. I like this pick because if he cannot handle Jackson's CB duties (which I think he will) he is a great option for FS when Bethea's contract runs out. This pick is like killing two birds with one stone. To me this guy seems kind of like Hayden in that he started out as WR, transitioned well to DB but is still raw, but with a ton of upside. I think Polian will like that. His size is a bonus. Crossing my fingers he is available at this point in the draft.

3. Kraig Urbik, OL, Wisconsin

http://media.scout.com/media/image/64/640501.jpg

Huge Big 10 player who played a lot of RT in addition to RG. A Diem replacement and an improvement for our running game. I know we tend to favor lighter OLmen with quick feet but last year is evidence that we need some stronger guys that can stand their ground and punch holes for the RBs to run through. With the uncertainty of Lilja's return we need OL depth.

I can't say I ever watched him specifically, but just watch a Wisconsin game, they run very well. Their running game has averaged over 200 yards/game for the past 2 years, with 4.4 and 4.8 YPC respectively. Also 29 and 31 TDs respectively.

4. Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty

http://fantasyfootball.com/article_images/0000/3808/jennings_homepage.jpg

Very productive in college and looked great at the Senior Bowl to me and to others who actually know what they're talking about :D. Great strength at 230+ lbs. and surprising moves for a bigger back. Could really help out in those 3rd and short situations, and could split carries 50/50 with Addai. I think Addai really needs that to succeed. Jennings taking the first and 3rd quarter carries to tire the D out would allow Addai to use is patient, shifty style and pass catching ability to great effect a la '06 and first half of '07. He did have a good freshman year at Pittsburgh before transferring to Liberty to be closer to his sick father.

5. Frantz Joseph, MLB, Florida Atlantic

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-tPInbVUH6g/SKIEGNE1fGI/AAAAAAAAAT4/pJbA6ka6ats/s400/joseph1c.jpg

There's been a lot of internet buzz about this guy. 6'1 235 makes him a decent-sized LB for our team. Racked up a lot of tackles in his final two seasons (131, 154) and a lot of tackles for loss as well (12.5, 9). Supposedly very good against the run. Slow timed speed but apparently does well in actual game-speed situations. The Colts were there for his Pro Day. He would be his school's first-ever NFL draft pick.

5 (comp pick). Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/65133/sammie_lee_hill.jpg

As it is hard to see a Stillman game on TV I only have what I've read to go on, but I like what I've read. Good character, surprising athleticism, excellent size for a NT. Actually played some DE at his size so as to better use his penetration abilities. That was at low level competition though.

6. Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20081007/99129.jpg

I'm obviously just going by internet stuff at this point. Interesting measurables, supposedly built like Randy Moss but of course without the ridiculous speed. Speaking of ridiculous he (Mitchell) averaged over 18 YPC in college. He was part of the "pistol" offense which apparently inflates numbers, but hey it's the 6th round and it would be fun to see Manning throwing to a 6'4" guy. Yes we have Roy Hall but I would hope Mitchell looks less sloppy running down the field.

7. Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Illinois+v+Missouri+ejFq_9XhEFsm.jpg

15.5 tackles for a loss and 10.5 sacks his last year at Mizzou lining up next to Evander Hood. At 6'5 and 251 lbs. he is a little undersized but what else is new with Indy. With Josh Thomas gone we could use some DE depth (though come to think of it we needed depth while Thomas was on the team), and if he bulked up a bit I think he could do well. Plus his name is Stryker.

So to sum up that's 2 DTs, 1 CB/S, 1 OL, 1 RB, 1 LB, 1 WR, and 1 DE.

Geo
03-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Got some ideas swirling in my head, they could be all wrong but here's what I am currently thinking. Trying not to make it too long, but maybe some picks deserve longer explanations:


1st round: LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
Every bit of logic tells me to pick another Buckeyes player, Brian Robiskie. Robiskie has Colts' receiver written all over him. The Colts value WR, to the point that they drafted Anthony Gonzalez over LB Paul Posluszny and DT Alan Branch in the '07 Draft. Although in the case of Posluszny, Gary Brackett had three more years on his contract at the time. Which leads me to the one big piece of logic favoring Laurinaitis:

Bill Polian will protect/prepare himself for losing Gary Brackett to free agency a year from now, and chances are he'll do it a year beforehand like how he did with Tarik Glenn (Tony Ugoh) and Jeff Saturday (Mike Pollak+). Plus looking at next year's class, Brandon Spikes might be a really good fit but he probably won't reach the Colts' 1st round pick next year. Other than him, there doesn't seem to be some really good fits. This Joe Pawelek kid from Baylor had 6 picks last year, he might be a candidate, and maybe Sean Lee of Penn State if he bounces back.

But given that uncertainty next year, plus the great difficulty of asking a rookie middle linebacker to not only start plus also run the defense, they might strike now if they can. James Laurinaitis ran a very poor 40 time at the Combine, but if he can run much better at the Ohio State pro day later on this week, maybe the Colts take this opportunity to snatch him up as the future middle linebacker. He has the character, intelligence, coverage ability, and production. Looks like I am in agreement with Seamus on this one, he picked Laurinaitis in his recent mock earlier.

2nd round: CB Asher Allen, Georgia
Pure BPA, and gives the Colts another potential starter at CB. As unlikely as it is that there will be a new CBA by next offseason ... on the chance that it does happen, both Marlin Jackson and Tim Jennings will be UFAs. As great as Dante Hughes was in college, we don't know if he has future starter in him. Plus Allen has some really good kickoff return capabilities, maybe even punt return too, so his bumping TJ Rushing off the roster works well.

3rd round: DT Alex Magee, Purdue
This is probably a WR, but the chances of getting a quality DT after this pick could be very slim, I think. Magee looks to have the tools and ability to fit the defense. Corvey Irvin and Myron Pryor are good Tampa-2 NT candidates, although the 3rd round might be too early for them. Magee might have some potential as both a 3-tech on running downs and a NT on passing/running downs.

4th round: WR Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian
Small-school guy with super speed, which he proved at the Combine, hopefully he's still on the board at this pick. He's a little lighter than the usual Colts' receiver, at 185 lbs. or so, but that could be overlooked if he impressed the Colts scouts at the East/West Shrine Game and impressed at Combine interviews which is very big for a Colts' receiver. Pierre Garcon looks like a gem, so just maybe Polian is publically implying 1st round wide receiver to throw off his scent to other teams.

5th round or 5th round compensatory or 6th round: P Kevin Huber, Cincinnati
Considered either the best or second-best punter in this draft class by many, plus Huber has experience as a holder which is important as Hunter Smith had that role. Although Thomas Moorstead probably has a slightly stronger leg, and played at the Senior Bowl.

Thoughts?

Geo
03-09-2009, 02:22 PM
Looks like we have some similar ideas, killxswitch. :D

Will be interesting to see what happens if Peria Jerry can reach the Colts' pick. That would be good value there.

Seamus2602
03-09-2009, 08:33 PM
Killxswitch

Firstly, I’m going to have to indulge my OCD. A couple of the Shirt Numbers can’t be used. The NFL have rules as to what numbers certain positions can wear while the NCAA doesn’t so it often happens that players have to change numbers when transferring into the NFL.

Sean Smith – DB – Number must be between 20–49
Marko Mitchell – WR – Number must be between 10-19 or 80-89
Stryker Sulak – DE – Number must be between 60-79 and 90-99

Also, you have Rashad Jennings wearing Number 22 and that Number is currently retired by the Colts, to honour Buddy Young, a Running Back in the 50s.

Peria Jerry

I have to say that I do like the pick. As you say Jerry should come in with the mental maturity of a seasoned veteran and should be able to start from day 1. My main concern is that he would also become the 4th oldest member of our Defensive Line at a time when the Franchise is looking to retain their youthfulness. While I think Jerry’s performance for 2009 will be better than any other Defensive Tackle, BJ Raji included, his overall career is going to be shorter than most and as such I don’t know whether or not Bill Polian will pull the trigger. In terms of his ability I think he will be a brilliant player but there could be a 2nd or 3rd Round acquisition who, while not performing as well in 2009, will be better in say 2012. We have never been a draft for the current year team.

Sean Smith

This could be the pick and I am warming more to the taking of a Cornerback early on in the draft. Marlin Jackson’s contract is up next year and will want a deal comparatively similar to Kelvin Hayden’s while at the same time Bethea’s contract is up and he will want a lot more money. If Sean Smith is still there then I think the Franchise could do a lot worse than taking him

Kraig Urbik

I have to be honest and say I don’t like the pick, even though I feel getting Urbik at the bottom of the third is good value. I look at the current situation with the line. We have solid depth inside the Interior of the Line. We draft three interior linemen last year and they all started at least one game last season. Our major difficulty came when the Tony Ugoh got hurt. We had to pull Charlie Johnson out of the Interior of the Line and plug him in at Left Tackle. What we need is an Offensive Tackle who can play both the Left and the Right hand side of the Line. Then if, like last year, our starting LT, LG, C and RG are all injured at the same time we still have the necessary depth and don’t have to play people out of position.
If all 5 positions on the Line get injured, it basically means God doesn’t want us to run the football.

Rashad Jennings

I have two main reservations about this pick being here. Firstly, I personally don’t think we need personnel changes in the Running Backs, especially if we were to resign Rhodes. The other issue is simply the fact that I can’t see Rashad Jennings being there for out pick in the 2nd Round, never mind the 4th.

Fratz Joseph

Interesting pick. He would definitely, in the short term, be a massive upgrade over Buster Davis but I would wonder as to whether he could start. There is always the chance with a small school player that their stats were that good because they were playing for a small school. Still, it will be interesting to see what becomes of him.

Sammie Lee Hill

From what I’ve read of Hill and the rare glimpses of footage, what you see is what you get. The man is a monster. He is big and strong but I wonder whether he will suit Indy as there is no finesse about him whatsoever. While we need to get bigger inside the line I still think the Franchise will be looking for players with a bit more class about them.

Marko Mitchell

With the latter rounds it is always a guessing game. I do think that Mitchell is a bit of a reach in the 6th, but with the latter rounds there isn’t that much difference between top of the 6th and Free Agent. He is a bit different to every WR Indy has ever drafted so it would be interesting to see what effect he could bring.

Stryker Sulak

I personally always thought that Marcus Howard was drafted to replace Josh Thomas but again, similar to the last pick, with the latter rounds you can basically go any which way.

Seamus2602
03-09-2009, 08:53 PM
Geo

Asher Allen

I personally think this is a round or so early for Asher Allen. If he is available in the 3rd then he could be a good pick but I think the 2nd is a bit of a reach for him. As I said above, Corner could be addressed early on but I think it should only be if an outstanding pick presents itself, like if Smith was to fall to the bottom of the 2nd, or someone like Coye Francies or Captain Munnerlyn were to fall to the bottom of the 3rd.

Alex Magee

Alex Magee is an interesting pick and as you said could be an every down DT in the Tampa 2. My major concerns is that, for his size, he is quite slow and I feel the move to DE in his Senior Year really hurt him.

Johnny Knox

I think your reservations as to whether Knox will be there may be a bit unfounded. I have Knox marked down as a 5-6 Rounder, not a 4th. What can be said about Knox. The line out of the Longest Yard, “He's fast. He's really, really fast. I mean, he's so fast, he makes fast people look not fast”. But, this is Bill Polian were talking about, not Al Davis. So Knox will have to do a bit more to impress me than just run a quick 40 Time.

Kevin Huber

I never like the idea of drafting Special Teamers. If Hunter Smith isn’t resigned then I want to see what this fella Dragosavich can do.

chad72
03-10-2009, 09:14 AM
I am totally taking a different approach. I see that BP will wait to see how this year goes with Wheeler, Senn, and Alexander before investing a high pick in an LB to replace Gary Brackett. He already knows Clint Session is making strides.

1st round - Alphonso Smith, CB, playmaker, has played against taller WRs like Calvin Johnson, has trained with the likes of Boldin, can hold his own if Larry Coyer ever decides to blitz and a CB has to be on an island in man coverage. I feel that he may slightly drop due to size concerns and will be BPA for us. Malcolm Jenkins, Vontae Davis, D.J.Moore may all go before him, IMO.

2nd round - Fili Moala, DT, USC (more of a run stuffer than an interior pass rusher, sounds fine to me for the Colts D-line)

3rd round - David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame (will have one good year under his belt before we can let Bethea go)

4th round - Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois (perfect for zone blocking)

4th round comp pick (I am being optimistic about the Jake Scott compensatory pick) - Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois

5th round - Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia, at 6'3", 300 lbs, he has played in a 4-3 system against good SEC competition

6th round - Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU (4.42 40, his senior production dropped because of LSU's QB issues, has faced elite competition)

7th round - Jahi Word-Daniels, CB, Georgia Tech (I expect his stock to drop due to injury concerns and he will make a good Cover 2 corner, plus he is 6'0", 197 lbs)

RCAChainGang
03-10-2009, 09:33 AM
Here is my mock. I'm thinking realistically, although I would love to see Harvin or Peria Jerry it is highly likely that they will both be taken.

1. Alphonso Smith- CB- With Bill Polian saying BPA. I think he would serve us very well since Marlin Jackson will probably be gone next offseason.

2. Fil Maolia- DT- This is the pick we will snag a DT in my opinion if Peria Jerry is off the board. I like Fil and I think he is worth the 2nd round pick.

3. Curtis Taylor- S- I agree with Chad in that we need a new S. Bethea is terrible and when he gets off the field replaced with a better player we will be even better.

4. Muhammed Massaquoi- WR- I think this guy is beastly. He is so physical just need to watch for the dropsies! He would be a capable WR and would match up well with #3 cb's or safetys in the spread.

I would love to finish, but I have to leave this class I'm in with the computers. I'll try to finish it later.

Thought? Yay or nay?

Geo
03-10-2009, 11:26 AM
Chad & RCA: Good mocks, addressed some needs and got some good talent/players that played against great competition. I've kind of cooled off on Smith a bit, partly because of his height and moreso because there seems to be some really good corner prospects for the Colts later on in Day One or sometime on Day Two. But the value is good for the pick, he is a very good player.

Seamus: really good points, definitely under consideration. I overrated Knox, although am fine with the team drafting a punter late on Day Two if it means getting the right guy for the next number of years. But I definitely agree if they do draft a punter, he competes for his job with Dragosavich through training camp and preseason.

Geo
03-10-2009, 11:53 AM
If the Colts do go wide receiver in the 1st round, but both Darrius Heyward and Percy Harvin are off the board (Crabtree and Maclin are no question gone already), do you have a receiver you like moreso amongst the remaining late 1st round candidates?

Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie

killxswitch
03-10-2009, 12:00 PM
Firstly, I’m going to have to indulge my OCD. A couple of the Shirt Numbers can’t be used. The NFL have rules as to what numbers certain positions can wear while the NCAA doesn’t so it often happens that players have to change numbers when transferring into the NFL.

Sean Smith – DB – Number must be between 20–49
Marko Mitchell – WR – Number must be between 10-19 or 80-89
Stryker Sulak – DE – Number must be between 60-79 and 90-99

Also, you have Rashad Jennings wearing Number 22 and that Number is currently retired by the Colts, to honour Buddy Young, a Running Back in the 50s.


I didn't put much thought into the numbers.


In terms of his ability I think he will be a brilliant player but there could be a 2nd or 3rd Round acquisition who, while not performing as well in 2009, will be better in say 2012. We have never been a draft for the current year team.

That is something that is hard to project. We've drafted for the future because Manning was the future. Manning is now somewhere between the middle and end of his career, so the smart thing to do seems to me to maximize his final years with more immediate talent. There isn't a QB in college right now that could provide any sort of seamless transition for Manning. When he goes it is time to rebuild.

Kraig Urbik

I have to be honest and say I don’t like the pick, even though I feel getting Urbik at the bottom of the third is good value. I look at the current situation with the line. We have solid depth inside the Interior of the Line. We draft three interior linemen last year and they all started at least one game last season. Our major difficulty came when the Tony Ugoh got hurt. We had to pull Charlie Johnson out of the Interior of the Line and plug him in at Left Tackle. What we need is an Offensive Tackle who can play both the Left and the Right hand side of the Line. Then if, like last year, our starting LT, LG, C and RG are all injured at the same time we still have the necessary depth and don’t have to play people out of position.
If all 5 positions on the Line get injured, it basically means God doesn’t want us to run the football.

I agree we could use help at OT as well but I didn't like the talent that I thought would be available at this point in the draft. Same for round 2. Urbik seemed like the smartest pick given where I thought other OLmen would've gone at this point.

Rashad Jennings

I have two main reservations about this pick being here. Firstly, I personally don’t think we need personnel changes in the Running Backs, especially if we were to resign Rhodes. The other issue is simply the fact that I can’t see Rashad Jennings being there for out pick in the 2nd Round, never mind the 4th.

A lot of people have said this and I don't get it. There aren't that many teams that need a RB. I doubt Beanie Wells is even a top 15 pick, and he is arguably the #1 RB in this draft.

Sammie Lee Hill

From what I’ve read of Hill and the rare glimpses of footage, what you see is what you get. The man is a monster. He is big and strong but I wonder whether he will suit Indy as there is no finesse about him whatsoever. While we need to get bigger inside the line I still think the Franchise will be looking for players with a bit more class about them.

Class? What are you talking about? In interviews he is so mild mannered it's like reading comments from Mr. Rogers. He saved a man from a burning building too. Seems like a pretty high-character guy. And screw finesse, the last thing the Colts need is finesse, especially at DT.

Stryker Sulak

I personally always thought that Marcus Howard was drafted to replace Josh Thomas but again, similar to the last pick, with the latter rounds you can basically go any which way.

I like Howard but he is only a speed rush guy at this point. He is too small to hold up against the run. I would be surprised if he was playing at 230 lbs. last year. Robert Mathis is small but he has the talent to make up for it on passing downs. Howard is smaller AND less talented. I think he has a future here but it isn't as a running downs DE. Sulak might not be that type either but he is more ready to be that than Howard IMO. Plus, it's the 7th round. It was a wild guess.

chad72
03-10-2009, 12:29 PM
If the Colts do go wide receiver in the 1st round, but both Darrius Heyward and Percy Harvin are off the board (Crabtree and Maclin are no question gone already), do you have a receiver you like moreso amongst the remaining late 1st round candidates?

Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie

1. Manning does not have too many years left, so the time is now to give him the D and running game (combo of RBs and OLs)

2. Except for Robiskie, I am not too sold on the others being productive even within 2 years in our complicated offensive system. Gonzo is an exception, not the rule. And Robiskie, only if he is at the end of round 2, IMO, he is a possession WR with just enough speed.

3. Britt and Nicks, we will have to wait 3-4 years till they bring their best, I am not sure if Manning will still be at his best then game in and game out like he is now.

4. It is too early to give up on what Garcon, Tamme and Santi can bring to our offense plus Giguere as well. One more year of the playbook and an entire training camp with Manning, our options may be sky high if 2 out of those 3 show up with a great grasp of the playbook. And I think that will happen.

Due to all the above reasons, I would rather go WR in later rounds, my possibilities include:


1. 3rd round pick on Jarett Dillard who has phenomenal skills in route running
2. 4th round pick on Brandon Tate or Mike Wallace who could also help us with the return game
3. 5th round pick on Johnny Knox (it would be a flyer not knowing how he will fare against better competition) or Patrick Turner, USC (for a big target)
4. 6th round pick on Demetrius Byrd, LSU or Dominique Edision (Stephen Austin) who is supposedly a jump ball freak like Pierre Garcon, he is also from a DIII school

Correction: Stephen F. Austin is not a DIII or even a DII school. It is a FCS (D-IAA for those who still enjoy the old language) school.

RCAChainGang
03-11-2009, 01:28 AM
If the Colts do go wide receiver in the 1st round, but both Darrius Heyward and Percy Harvin are off the board (Crabtree and Maclin are no question gone already), do you have a receiver you like moreso amongst the remaining late 1st round candidates?

Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie

I haven't watched a whole lot of any of these players. However from what I have seen Hakeem Nicks looks like the best WR if the situation plays out as you suggested Geo.

killxswitch
03-11-2009, 09:22 AM
If the Colts do go wide receiver in the 1st round, but both Darrius Heyward and Percy Harvin are off the board (Crabtree and Maclin are no question gone already), do you have a receiver you like moreso amongst the remaining late 1st round candidates?

Kenny Britt
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie

I would actually prefer all three to DHB and especially Harvin. Britt I think will be gone before we get a shot at him but if we just absolutely had to pick a WR first I would want it to be him. Followed by Britt. Robiskie I would like on the team but not as a first round pick, that is too high for him IMO. If he was the best available WR in the first round then I think you'd have to take a better player at a different position.

killxswitch
03-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Damn, the Falcons signed Mike Peterson. The chances that they'll pick Jerry before us just went up.

Geo
03-12-2009, 10:17 AM
Due to all the above reasons, I would rather go WR in later rounds, my possibilities include:
I've been thinking about this a little, it's a good idea. Here are the guys I think might be on the "radar" so to speak:


Late 2nd round WR targets
Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
Louis Murphy, Florida
Derrick Williams, Penn State

I doubt Robiskie lasts this long in the 2nd, but he would be a super pick here if he did. I'm not sure Murphy is a Colts' receiver, whether he matured enough in his time at Florida, but he has natural (deep) speed and great size plus is used to making the most of limited touches in a somewhat similar offensive attack at Florida. Williams needs to run a much better 40 time (4.45ish) at the Penn State pro day to get back on the Colts' radar.

Late 3rd round WR targets
Derrick Williams
Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
Deon Butler, Penn State (late 4th?)

Assuming Williams runs well but maybe drops to the late 3rd like Mario Manningham and Andre Caldwell did last year, that would be even better. Wallace needs to further develop his game as a complete receiver, but he's looked like a natural and potent deep threat the last two years at Ole Miss and also at the Senior Bowl. This might be a little early for Butler, but I would be fine with the pick because it's hard to find a receiver like him after this point with great speed, natural receiving ability, and some smarts - could be an Eddie Royal-type pick, I think. If he can just keep his weight at over 180 lbs. though.


I really like Jarrett Dillard btw and think a team could get a real gem in him in the mid-rounds, but unfortunately I am not a firm enough believer than he has the speed and quickness to succeed at the next level. He has a difficult time separating from college corners, from what I've seen, and it's only going to get more difficult in this arena. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did succeed thanks to his route running and his hands.

redviper311
03-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Damn, the Falcons signed Mike Peterson. The chances that they'll pick Jerry before us just went up.


That would be perfectly fine with me. I think I am probably the only one on here that doesn't want to draft DT Peria Jerry. Also from what I know, the Colts do not have any interest in drafting Jerry. The DTs they have approached for interviews during the Combine and other events are Fili Moala, Ron Brace, and Corvey Irvin.

So since I have such a strong opinion on Jerry I will defend my dislike of drafting Jerry in the 1st. I know some people on this board will disagree with me and that is fine with me. I would love to here your opinion as well. I will get started:

First and foremost if we are going to draft a DT in this year’s draft we need someone that excels in stopping the run as well play gap responsibility. Peria Jerry has struggled to stop the run against elite competition in the SEC and often times find himself getting pushed around.

Secondly he may have good quickness getting off the ball and plays with I high motor, but lacks strength. He also struggled with academics throughout his college playing days which for me brings into question about his intelligence.

Lastly, he has had some durability concerns in his time at Ole Miss. Here I am going to use a 1st round pick on a player I expect them on the field more times than not.

Geo
03-12-2009, 11:02 AM
I would be shocked if the Colts didn't interview every player or almost every player at the Senior Bowl. Plus all the interviews at the Combine. They send scouts to so many pro days, they are going to do the interviews. So just because a player has said publicly that he has interviewed with the Colts so it can be printed somewhere or Scott said he saw a Colts scout talking to a player after practice - to me that doesn't mean much because the Colts will interview all these guys so they can properly evaluate them. To see if they are a Colts player or not.

As for Peria Jerry, I'd be fine with drafting him at #27. In fact, he's now tops on my big board (I never really liked the previous one I did last week, I have a new one). Obviously by my posts, I get that he has his faults, but he's also a very good player who is a great fit for this defense.

Yeah he's not a run-stuffer like Ron Brace, but Brace doesn't really fit the defense. It's the Steel Curtain defense, the point is to collapse the pocket with the front four. And if you look back to those 70s Steelers defenses, as potent as they were even with Mean Joe Greene, they struggled against the run at times. It's kind of intrinsic to the defense, and to be honest, I don't think adding Ron Brace can magically change that. He might even make it worse because he can't make his way up the field like the other guys, and/or not necessitate a double team, but that's just a theory. Plus Brace has some concerns of his own, with a back injury history and maybe weight issues too.

Heck if Ron Brace is there in the late 2nd round at the Colts' pick, I'd likely draft him there unless they already took a DT in the 1st round.

This inspires me to do something similar to my last post:

2nd round DT targets
Evander Hood, Missouri
Ron Brace, Boston College (maybe)
Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State
Fili Moala, Southern Cal (?)
Alex Magee, Purdue (late 3rd)

Hood would be perfect, but he and Brace are very unlikely to reach this pick. Can't say I know enough about Gilbert as a player, but have to consider him thanks to the tools he exhibits, the near-freakish athleticism, and a great senior year (although it's a bit concerning he didn't produce as much until this last year, a "contract" year?).

Next comes Moala, who might have a big question mark. He played in a Tampa 2 at Southern Cal plus he's got good size and ability, but is inconsistent as Mike Mayock notes - if he has an inconsistent motor, he might not be a Colts' pick at all, but maybe that isn't the case exactly. From what I saw of him as a senior, I thought his motor was okay and I really liked what I saw of him.

Sen'Derrick Marks seems like a good fit talent-wise, but production, stamina, and character are concerns. Magee, maybe he has the motor, but the production wasn't there.

Moala will probably get some looks from 3-4 teams, but I have a good feeling that at least one of Hood/Brace/Gilbert/Moala will reach the Colts' 2nd round pick.

redviper311
03-12-2009, 11:39 AM
I've been thinking about this a little, it's a good idea. Here are the guys I think might be on the "radar" so to speak:


Late 2nd round WR targets
Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
Louis Murphy, Florida
Derrick Williams, Penn State

I doubt Robiskie lasts this long in the 2nd, but he would be a super pick here if he did. I'm not sure Murphy is a Colts' receiver, whether he matured enough in his time at Florida, but he has natural (deep) speed and great size plus is used to making the most of limited touches in a somewhat similar offensive attack at Florida. Williams needs to run a much better 40 time (4.45ish) at the Penn State pro day to get back on the Colts' radar.

Late 3rd round WR targets
Derrick Williams
Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
Deon Butler, Penn State (late 4th?)

Assuming Williams runs well but maybe drops to the late 3rd like Mario Manningham and Andre Caldwell did last year, that would be even better. Wallace needs to further develop his game as a complete receiver, but he's looked like a natural and potent deep threat the last two years at Ole Miss and also at the Senior Bowl. This might be a little early for Butler, but I would be fine with the pick because it's hard to find a receiver like him after this point with great speed, natural receiving ability, and some smarts - could be an Eddie Royal-type pick, I think. If he can just keep his weight at over 180 lbs. though.


I really like Jarrett Dillard btw and think a team could get a real gem in him in the mid-rounds, but unfortunately I am not a firm enough believer than he has the speed and quickness to succeed at the next level. He has a difficult time separating from college corners, from what I've seen, and it's only going to get more difficult in this arena. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did succeed thanks to his route running and his hands.


I really like your thoughts on the WRs in round 2-4, but if any of these WR's drop to us in round 1 I don't see BP passing on them.

My 1st teir wideouts are as follow:

- Jeremy Macklin (6'0"/195lbs, 4.46 40), WR, Missouri (what to say that hasn't been said about this kid)

- Percey Harvin (5'11"/192lbs, 4.41 40), WR, Flordia (will need to run better routes, but can make an instant impact on ST)

- Darrius Heyward-Bay (6'1"/210lbs, 4.30 40), WR, Maryland (wishful thinking)

- Kenny Birtt (6'2"/218lbs, 4.47 40), WR, Rutgers (possible charcter concerns)

- Hakeem Nicks (6'0"/212lbs, 4.50 40), WR, UNC (slower 40 time than I like, but runs good routes which is what our offense is about)

My second teir wideouts on my radar:

- Brain Robiskie (6'1"/209lbs, 4.51 40), WR, OSU (slower than I like but great hands and route running)

- Brandon Tate (5'11"/183lbs, 4.50 40), WR, UNC (would have been drafted in the 1st round but injurying had sidelined him shortly after the start of the season...my steal of the draft at WR)

- Derrick Williams (5'11"/194lbs, 4.61 40), WR, PSU (IMO to slow and I feel his team mate Butler is better)

My third teir wideouts are:

- Mohamed Massaqoui (6'1"/210lbs, 4.61 40), WR, UGA (will need a better 40 time at his pro day...great hands and makes the tough catches in traffic...projects as possesion WR)

- Kenny McKinley (6'0"/189, 4.44 40), WR, South Carolina (good hands and speed would make a good slot WR at the next lvl)

- Deon Butler (5'10"/182, 4.38 40), WR, PSU (could play ST right away and make an impact for the Colts. More of a slot WR at the nest lvl)

Geo
03-12-2009, 11:40 AM
Like I said earlier, I wasn't crazy about the big board and mock I did last week. I kind of rushed them, I think I like these more:

Updated Big Board
1. DT Peria Jerry, Ole Miss
2. WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
3. WR Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
4. DT Evander Hood, Missouri
5. MLB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
6. CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

Good news: There is a decent chance that Jerry can reach the Colts' pick, as there might not be many teams that I think are genuinely interested in him, given his specific fit as a 3-tech tackle.

Pick/team - estimated interest in Jerry
#14/New Orleans - Jerry
15/HOU - Jerry
16/SD - none
17/NYJ - none
18/CHI - none
19/TB - maybe Jerry
20/DET - very much Jerry, maybe Laurinaitis too but probably not
21/PHI - none
22/MIN - none
23/NE - none
24/ATL - maybe Jerry
25/MIA - none
26/BAL - none

Bad news: I don't think Jerry gets past Detroit at #20, but now I'm thinking New Orleans could draft him and there's sentiment that Houston could take him. We'll see, but at the moment I'll assume Jerry doesn't fall to the Colts. I hope he does, if he can just clear Detroit. There is a chance Atlanta could take him because Dimitroff and Smith both came from franchises that value DL, so even though they just signed their 3-tech Babineaux to a 5-yr/$25M extension, maybe they go for value and try to make it work. Or maybe Minnesota surprises and takes Jerry, even though they have Kevin Williams locked up.


My new mock
1st rd- James Laurinaitis
2nd rd- Jarron Gilbert or Fili Moala
3rd rd- Deon Butler or Mike Wallace or Derrick Williams

I'm assuming Laurinaitis runs a better 40 time tomorrow at the Ohio State pro day, to help better his case as the BPA. Plus I just think it's not often that the Colts have a chance to draft a player like him late in the 1st round, when they need a successor to Gary Brackett, although Laurinaitis is more of a layup than a slam dunk, I think one might say. The Colts could very well pass on him if they don't think he's 1st round special.

I'd love to pick Asher Allen in the 2nd, as you guys know, but CB isn't as much of a need as DT is (yet it would help if the Colts can draft Mark Parson of Ohio in the late 4th). And of course WR is a need given that this offense attacks with a lot of receivers, but there could very well be some good guys in the late 3rd. Including maybe a "reach" in Butler, although I really like the way he plays and his natural receiving ability. He's the all-time career receptions leader in Penn State history, plus eerily similar to Marvin Harrison as a 5-10.5/180 receiver with 4.3 speed. ;)

killxswitch
03-12-2009, 11:52 AM
That would be perfectly fine with me. I think I am probably the only one on here that doesn't want to draft DT Peria Jerry. Also from what I know, the Colts do not have any interest in drafting Jerry. The DTs they have approached for interviews during the Combine and other events are Fili Moala, Ron Brace, and Corvey Irvin.


We have no way of knowing which players the Colts have interviewed, we can only know what is reported. I doubt every player interview makes it onto the internet.

First and foremost if we are going to draft a DT in this year’s draft we need someone that excels in stopping the run as well play gap responsibility. Peria Jerry has struggled to stop the run against elite competition in the SEC and often times find himself getting pushed around.

Disagree. Once we brought in Antonio Johnson our run defense improved a lot. Starting in week 9 we only allowed 1 100 yard rusher (Steve Slayton) the rest of the season.

What killed us often throughout last year was short and medium-range throws over the middle. Our DBs gave a big cushion and our pass rush was not great. It improved as the year went on but too many QBs simply stepped forward in the pocket and avoided Freeney and Mathis. They did this because they had room and did NOT have any fear of either of our DTs penetrating the backfield.

IMO we need a guy that collapses the pocket, not a run stuffer. Johnson, Muir, and a later-round draft pick like Sammie Lee Hill can be our run stuffers.

Secondly he may have good quickness getting off the ball and plays with I high motor, but lacks strength. He also struggled with academics throughout his college playing days which for me brings into question about his intelligence.

I don't think you watched him much if you think he lacks strength. He is very strong, and his gameplay shows it. Even in the senior bowl where he should've been going up against higher-level competition he displayed great strength on the line.

For academics, well that is Mississippi for you. Their schools tend to be on the lower end of the national scale. Jerry will not be the first NFL player to have strugged academically in college. Good academics are no guarantee of success in the NFL either. Look at Frank Okam.

Lastly, he has had some durability concerns in his time at Ole Miss. Here I am going to use a 1st round pick on a player I expect them on the field more times than not.

This is probably the most valid concern you have, but keep in mind that football is a rough game and players get hurt. Brace has recurring back issues. Hood has a screw in his foot. Moala has had shoulder and hand injuries. When Jerry got hurt he battled back and excelled afterwards, which should tell you good things about his work ethic and desire to win.

Geo
03-12-2009, 12:00 PM
I am very guilty of overanalyzing, Jerry included. I admit it.

He's a great fit for the defense imo, as a pass-rushing terror who can command double teams. With Freeney and Mathis outside, he could dominate inside.

He's not great against the run, like redviper says, but I think he's okay (better than the Colts' DTs). He didn't bench at the Combine, but that test isn't clearly indicative of run-stopping ability as a player.

RagingColt
03-13-2009, 07:46 PM
Paul Kuharsky over on ESPN AFC south blog had a link to http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/ about comp picks awarded to teams. According to whomever adamjt is, he has the Colts receiving a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick for the loss of Jake Scott to Tennessee. So that would be around #135 and later or #167 and up depending on the round. Any ideas who would be around then who could actually be picked?

Really like all the mock drafts the other members have put up here in the Colts section. I typically just read and don't post much, but thought the comp pick might be worth a post.

Cheers.

Geo
03-14-2009, 12:54 PM
NFL Network says Laurinaitis ran a 4.70 40 at the fast track at Ohio State yesterday. I was hoping for better, and I think the Colts expect better for a 1st round pick. Especially linebacker, which is a position they don't necessarily value as much as some other teams.

So I'm moving back to my man-crush, Scott McKillop. :D

New mock
1. WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
2. DT Fili Moala, Southern Cal
3. MLB Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
4. CB Mark Parson, Ohio

Robiskie might be considered a slight reach, but he is a perfect Colts' receiver (stellar route running & hands and can line-up anywhere) plus he's a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. Giving Peyton a 6-3/210 receiver in the red zone is also a bonus.

I'd love to get Deon Butler in the late 5th round, as insurance/extra depth, if he can last that long.

Geo
03-15-2009, 11:11 AM
Per Gil Brandt of NFL.com:

DT Alex Magee (6-foot-2 3/8, 286 pounds) ran a 4.82 and 4.85 in the 40, had a 9-foot, 5-inch broad jump, a 4.42 short shuttle, a 7.15 three-cone drill and kept his bench press from the combine.
Came in 13 lbs. leaner than at the Combine (298), probably to focus on better speed and agility and it obviously reflected in the results. Although a 290-lb. tackle is actually perfect for the Colts, assuming he's fine with his weight at the point/range and keeps his strength.

Probably no chance at him in the late 3rd now though. At least he provides a potential option in the late 2nd if Moala doesn't check out or is already drafted.

chad72
03-15-2009, 09:31 PM
Paul Kuharsky over on ESPN AFC south blog had a link to http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/ about comp picks awarded to teams. According to whomever adamjt is, he has the Colts receiving a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick for the loss of Jake Scott to Tennessee. So that would be around #135 and later or #167 and up depending on the round. Any ideas who would be around then who could actually be picked?

Really like all the mock drafts the other members have put up here in the Colts section. I typically just read and don't post much, but thought the comp pick might be worth a post.

Cheers.

Based on whether our comp. pick is in the 4th or the 5th, I am thinking of 3 LBs that jump out to me:

Jason Philips of TCU
Scott Mckillop of Pittsburgh
Jason Williams of Western Illinois

In fact, I had Jason Williams picked up in my 4th round comp. pick in my mock. If it is in the 5th, I could see a Johnny Knox possibility:) , 6'0", about 190 lbs, 4.3 speed. Chances are, he may be gone but I think he is worth the value if he is there at the end of the 5th. I agree with Geo, Deon Butler at Penn State is definitely another viable option as well if he is still there.

Normally, 4th & 5th round picks are where we add depth, that should not be a spot where we look for our stars. If the stars happen, that would be a bonus.

Geo
03-16-2009, 12:18 AM
I just want the Colts to draft Scott McKillop in the 3rd round. Just let me have that, you can have the rest of the picks. :D

But don't hate on Brian Robiskie in the 1st. I know you don't like the idea of a WR early, chad! I do ...

... but when you have one of the all-time great QBs in NFL history, you've got to give him weapons. Because he can make multiple reads and get rid of the ball like no other, he can attack the field plus there is no other team in the league that is four or five defensive backs deep to cover them all. The Colts will never be the #1 running team in the league or close to it, but the passing game is a completely different story.

Plus with Robiskie, you're getting a professional from the moment Commissioner Goodell reads his name off a card, very similar to Anthony Gonzalez so Robiskie could likely follow in his footsteps and contribute sooner rather than later. Interesting (to me at least) that he doesn't turn 22 years old until this December! Only one month older than Hakeem Nicks.

I just can't wait until the Draft. I wish it was here already, I'll be happy with whoever the Colts pick because they scout so well.

chad72
03-16-2009, 07:53 AM
I just want the Colts to draft Scott McKillop in the 3rd round. Just let me have that, you can have the rest of the picks. :D

But don't hate on Brian Robiskie in the 1st. I know you don't like the idea of a WR early, chad! I do ...

... but when you have one of the all-time great QBs in NFL history, you've got to give him weapons. Because he can make multiple reads and get rid of the ball like no other, he can attack the field plus there is no other team in the league that is four or five defensive backs deep to cover them all. The Colts will never be the #1 running team in the league or close to it, but the passing game is a completely different story.

Plus with Robiskie, you're getting a professional from the moment Commissioner Goodell reads his name off a card, very similar to Anthony Gonzalez so Robiskie could likely follow in his footsteps and contribute sooner rather than later. Interesting (to me at least) that he doesn't turn 22 years old until this December! Only one month older than Hakeem Nicks.

I just can't wait until the Draft. I wish it was here already, I'll be happy with whoever the Colts pick because they scout so well.


My point is, we got all excited about our last year's new draft picks on offense, namely Garcon, Tamme, Santi, and Giguere. Then Manning's surgeries happened and he missed training camp. That was more than a setback for Manning, our offense went south for the longest time because of that, and more than the veterans, it affected the rookies. Plus, Geo, for the longest time, you have been waiting to see what the Colts could be without a Harrison that is holding them back a little the last 2 years. This year is Gonzo's chance as a true #2. I think he will do really well.

People choose to ignore all the positives of our last year picks and get overwhelmed with the hype that comes with the current wideout class. I'd say wait it out a year. If the wideout class is as deep as people say, we should be able to get a value pick in the 3rd round, IMO. If Manning can make Marcus Pollard look like a Pro Bowl TE and a rookie TE like Bryan Fletcher have moments to remember, he can make a Pro Bowler out of a WR or TE not picked on day 1, IMO. Plus, if Garcon, Tamme, Santi, and Giguere all of them disappoint this year, then yes, it may be time for a day 1 wideout again. If a rookie is going to take 3-4 years for solid production anyway, I might as well use my pick on something I can use a little more quickly and see how my previous year picks on WRs & TEs pan out.

My bottomline is: the thought process that the BPA at #27 can only be an offensive wideout is not something I agree with. While it is hard to get value for the DT position at #27, I do feel other positions on D can have BPA at #27 as well. Besides, this draft is deep at OL as well.

killxswitch
03-16-2009, 07:54 AM
I look at it differently. When you've got one of the all-time great QBs in NFL history, but you've had the type of postseason problems we've had, you trust your great QB to be dynamite with decent (but not incredible) WR talent and spend money to build the rest of the team so your great QB can win some more Super Bowls.

Geo
03-17-2009, 10:01 AM
Per KFFL:

Colts | R. Jones works out for team
Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:28:08 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Portland State CB/WR Reggie Jones had an individual workout for the Indianapolis Colts. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.40 seconds and had a 10-foot-9 broad jump.

Colts | J. Williams to visit
Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:21:13 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Indianapolis Colts will meet with Western Illinois LB Jason X. Williams March 23.

Colts | To meet with Harris
Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:29:08 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Indianapolis Colts will meet with South Dakota State WR JaRon Harris Thursday, March 26.

Per Draftdaddy:

Fomer Morgan State star Lonnie Harvey is a potential sleeper prospect, who has private workouts setup with the Carolina Panthers and Indianapolis Colts. He is about 6'4", 345 pounds and teams in need of defensive tackle depth could you utilize his services as a 3-4 nose or 4-3 defensive tackle (1 or 3 technique). Right now we have Harvey slotted as a solid free agent type prospect, but great workouts, coupled with a high demand (and lack of supply) for 3-4 nose tackle prospects, could slide him into the latter part of the 2009 draft.

killxswitch
03-17-2009, 10:37 AM
That Lonnie Harvey could eat most of our defensive linemen.

psulion21
03-19-2009, 02:18 PM
my colts mock right now
1.) Brian Robiskie WR , a great route runner seems like the type of guy i could see polian potentially reaching for, dhb would be better here if he falls or maclin but i doubt either of them do

2.) Marcus Freeman LB, versatile lb can play outside as we work him in the system to eventually replace brackett on the inside is also prolly the best value here fitting polians bpa approach

3.) Mitch King DT, has the type of motor and ethic to make him the pick here

4.) Xavier Fulton OL fits the system may be drafted to replace diem eventually

with our other picks most likely another dt maybe a punter somewhere along the lines and whatever else polian sees fit with bringing in

Geo
03-20-2009, 06:56 PM
I'm feeling the Big Ten love, psulion. :D

I love it though as I am a fan of the conference too, even if it's not too strong right now. They might not be the most talented, but you can find some good players who are also solid and smart, to be a part of your team for many years. I'm warming up to Laurinaitis again, in fact, but more on that in my next post.

Plus those guys you picked aren't slouches. I really wonder if Freeman could play Tampa 2 MLB.

Fulton struggled at the Senior Bowl though, but might have still been dealing with a shoulder injury from the season.

Geo
03-20-2009, 06:56 PM
1. DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi
2. MLB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
3. CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

Short but sweet as the more I think about it, better to keep it simple: Best player available.

Thankfully the teams in front of the Colts might be looking for something else and/or not pull the trigger on these guys. Good chance one or two or maybe even all three reach the Colts' pick.

Ziggy Hood and Brian Robiskie are probably at 4 and 5, if necessary, I suppose. Hakeem Nicks is completely off the big board, his pro day sealed the deal for me that he isn't a Colts' receiver. And I don't think there is a RB explosive enough to be considered by the Colts this early.

Laurinaitis is back high again, yeah his 40-time (4.72 pro day) wasn't that good, but maybe the Colts overlook that as a middle linebacker who he has a great short shuttle time (4.18 pro day) which speaks to his quickness and redirection skills, his ability to read & react (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/behind-the-times-mlb-short-shuttle/). He has very good instincts and does well in coverage, which separates him from some other MLB prospects in this class and former 1st round pick Rob Morris.

Smith is third, because he's still a little short as a 1st round CB and he might not start until 2011 depending when/if there is a new CBA.

Geo
03-21-2009, 12:24 PM
Ran around 4.58 at the Vandy pro day, after running a 4.56 at the Combine. With that poor timed speed and his height (5-8-7/8), anyone else think there's a chance he could fall to the Colts' 2nd round pick? Because I am now thinking there is that chance.

Plus he's also a great return man, which helps the Colts more and might help them overlook his 40 time. I can't recall them in the Polian era drafting such a poor 40 time, relative to position, in the 2nd round before.

The earliest exception I can think of is Dante Hughes in the late 3rd in 2007, but hopefully they'd consider Moore if he's there for them in the late 2nd.

chad72
03-23-2009, 11:35 AM
1. DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi
2. MLB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
3. CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest

Short but sweet as the more I think about it, better to keep it simple: Best player available.

Thankfully the teams in front of the Colts might be looking for something else and/or not pull the trigger on these guys. Good chance one or two or maybe even all three reach the Colts' pick.

Ziggy Hood and Brian Robiskie are probably at 4 and 5, if necessary, I suppose. Hakeem Nicks is completely off the big board, his pro day sealed the deal for me that he isn't a Colts' receiver. And I don't think there is a RB explosive enough to be considered by the Colts this early.

Laurinaitis is back high again, yeah his 40-time (4.72 pro day) wasn't that good, but maybe the Colts overlook that as a middle linebacker who he has a great short shuttle time (4.18 pro day) which speaks to his quickness and redirection skills, his ability to read & react (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/behind-the-times-mlb-short-shuttle/). He has very good instincts and does well in coverage, which separates him from some other MLB prospects in this class and former 1st round pick Rob Morris.

Smith is third, because he's still a little short as a 1st round CB and he might not start until 2011 depending when/if there is a new CBA.

Peria Jerry is going to turn 25, he has a low wonderlic score (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559228), and his stock is dropping on most boards compared to Evander Hood who is rising.

There is a good chance that he will drop to the Colts. The question is:

Will BP not pull the trigger knowing there could be a chance that Peria Jerry will not have the aptitude to ramp up to our defensive playbook well enough?
or
Will BP pull the trigger knowing that even though his upside maybe for just 2-3 years and pretty soon he will be knocking on 30, that is all we expect from him so that he can help us the rest of Manning's peak years with a good bolstered D-line?

The one thing about Peria Jerry that is different from Evander Hood is his burst off the line and natural athleticism that sometimes requires double teaming from the opposition. Evander Hood could be handled man-to-man in the NFL and Hood makes up for being less naturally athletic with his motor and tenacity.

Geo
03-23-2009, 07:26 PM
The Colts are awarded a 4th round compensatory pick (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-8-107/Compensatory-pick-details--pick-totals.html), yyyaaaaayyyyyyyyy!

The last pick in the 4th round, just snuck in there. #136 to be exact.

MaxV
03-23-2009, 08:44 PM
That's great. Polian has a history of finding good players in the 4th round.

chad72
03-24-2009, 11:15 AM
I see it as being able to get quality LBs with a 4th round compensatory pick. We could get both an ILB & OLB in the 4th round, IMO.

I'd say one of Zach Follett/Jason Williams for OLB & one of Scott Mckillop/GeraldMcGrath/Jason Philips for ILB based on whoever is available.

Of course, 4th round is also where we got Jake Scott originally (ironic that we get compensated with a 4th for him:)), if I am right. So Xavier Fulton would probably be there for a future OT trainee for us as well.

Geo
03-27-2009, 11:56 AM
Per KFFL:

Colts | Humber to work out
Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:05:30 -0700

The Indianapolis Colts will hold a private workout with North Dakota State LB Ramon Humber Monday, March 30.

Colts | A. Johnson to workout
Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:46:18 -0700

Bo Marchionte, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Indianapolis Colts will hold a private workout with Akron RB Andrew Johnson Tuesday, March 31.

Colts | Afalava to visit
Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:15:06 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Indianapolis Colts have invited Oregon State SS Al Afalava for a private visit.
Humber isn't a big guy at 5-11/225, but reportedly runs a 4.56 and was a very productive player.

Johnson was at Miami from 04-06, when Frank Gore was there, but injuries also limited him. Even had an injury this year, limiting him to 56 carries or so. Supposedly still very fast though, and has size that Polian likes in his backs (5-10/215). Maybe he gets a look as an UDFA.

Afalava fits the profile of a Colts' safety: over 200 lbs. and runs faster than 4.5 flat. The Bears also worked him out, maybe he's a great fit for the Tampa 2.

Geo
03-30-2009, 01:25 PM
Colts | Skuta to visit March 31
Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:45:05 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Grand Valley State DL Dan Skuta will visit with the Indianapolis Colts March 31.

Colts | Schantz has private workout
Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:30:58 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Portland State LB Andy Schantz had a private workout with the Indianapolis Colts.

Colts | Malone to work out in next couple weeks
Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:47:09 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Abilene Christian QB Billy Malone is expected to work out for the Indianapolis Colts in the next couple weeks.

Colts | Doolittle to workout
Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:09:55 -0700

Eric Hartz, of Scout.com, reports the Indianapolis Colts will hold a private workout with Auburn DT Tez Doolittle Monday, April 13.

Doolittle isn't the only Auburn DT. Sen'Derrick Marks: "I'll be back in town Thursday for a meeting with the Indianapolis Colts." (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090329/SPORTS0402/903290336/1002)

I think they are checking just in case both Jerry/Hood are taken before their pick, or an offensive playmaker who shouldn't fall to their pick does.

Btw, if you're wondering if Skuta is a DT, he's not. 6-2-5/8, 249-lb. DE. Or maybe OLB?

Geo
03-31-2009, 03:24 PM
I gave this mock some thought and am pretty proud of it, such that it will likely be my last mock even though the Draft is three weeks away. Keep it in the back of your mind, who knows.

Presentation-wise I added a picture and some vids if I could find them, and I nicked Bob McGinn's style of name display as I really liked it. Hope you like.

Mind, obviously the big assumption is that each of these players can reach the Colts' pick in that respective round. It's not a given for most if any of them.

*Edited April 8th*

1. EVANDER HOOD, DT, Missouri (6-2 7/8, 300, 4.89)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/evanderhood.jpg
MLR's '08 highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fiWgAZf0v4)
Patriots.com highlights (http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=VideoNewsdetail&pid=36660&pcid=83)
Does Bill Polian draft a defensive tackle for the first time in his history as a GM? I think so, Ziggy Hood fits the criteria more than any other prospect in this range: he has the measurables, the production, the fit in the team, and the character to be the Colts' 1st round pick. And he immediately and greatly addresses a major need, as a DT who can play all three downs. Granted the Colts will see if one of the two speedy playmakers (Maclin & Heyward-Bey) can somehow fall to their pick, otherwise though it's DT and if both Jerry/Ziggy are off the board (more possible than you think), the pick is Brian Robiskie or Alphonso Smith.

2. MIKE THOMAS, WR, Arizona (5-7 7/8, 195, 4.40)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/mikethomas.jpg
Draftguys' video profile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksI1AG9G18M)
2008 Arizona vs. Cal highlights (first 5 minutes, Thomas is #10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6L_5cKerHo)
Polian hasn't drafted a WR an inch shorter than 6-feet in Indy, and I believe that's also the case in his time at Carolina and Buffalo. That's why I didn't make this pick at first, but I think the talent and the complete game Thomas brings could make him an exception. As his comments about DeSean Jackson last year clearly state, it's small receivers that Polian doesn't like - Thomas isn't small, he's short yet tough enough to play the position fully, like former Colts' 2nd round picks Bob Sanders (5-8 3/8) and Tim Jennings (5-7 3/4). The Pac-10's new all-time receptions leader also returned kickoffs as a junior and punts as a senior (scored two TDs, 1st team All-Pac 10), so he brings that added playmaking element to the game that the Colts are looking from their 2nd round pick. He's not a #1 receiver and we're not sure exactly if he can be a potent deep threat or not, but he has the potential to be one heck of a slot receiver and return man, which ultimately makes him my pick. Even if he's not worth a second contract, he could definitely be worth his first one and possibility contribute immediately given his experience (four-year starter, spread offense).

3. JASON WILLIAMS, LB, Western Illinois (6-1, 241, 4.49)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/jasonwilliams.jpg
Jason Williams: 2008 Buck Buchanan Award Candidate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQW9MXK1hXc)
Only has 1 career interception, which was back in 2006, so that's somewhat worrisome. However considering he's the creator of 14! career forced fumbles, that might speak to a great striking ability in addition to his ridiculous athleticism. Maybe it's unlikely that he could play middle linebacker, but could really flash playing outside and on special teams.

4. JOE BURNETT, CB, Central Florida (5-9 3/8, 192, 4.57)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/joeburnett.jpg
Burnett picks off Colt McCoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czuj37UKXbY)
Big plays on special teams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10F5Ma4qRHw)
Probably the most underrated cornerback in this class, for whatever reason he's ranked so low but this feels like getting DJ Moore two rounds cheaper. Especially as Burnett is one of the best punt return men in the nation, he'll be the new starting punt return man from day one for the Colts in addition to providing quality depth at cornerback for years to come.

4. MIKE MITCHELL, SS, Ohio (5-11 7/8, 220, 4.43)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/mikemitchell.jpg
Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA)
Pre-Draft training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYH2X2GNSr8)
Mitchell might be just the guy to provide the Colts with the quick and hard-hitting back-up at SS they are looking for. And with his size and speed, he'll be an excellent player on special teams.

5. DUDLEY GUICE, WR, Northwestern State (6-2 1/2, 209, 4.40)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/dudleyguice.jpg
Draftguys' video profile (http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/dudley_guice_video/)
Great interview (http://www.patriotsdaily.com/2009/03/dudley-guice-qa-with-pd/)
Let's just hope the Colts are still able to get Guice here, otherwise I would have no qualms about avoiding the great risk and taking him earlier, even as high as the 2nd or 3rd round; I like him that much, even though I only became acquianted with him as a prospect very recently, as from the first moment I saw a clip of him in action, I thought he played like a Colts receiver more than any other player in this draft. The size and speed are super, but just as important is that he seems like an intelligent young man which is important for the Colts.

6. DAN SKUTA, DE/LB, Grand Valley State (6-2 5/8, 249, 4.72)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/danskuta.jpg
Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-6SSsev-8)
Skuta is a similar case as a recent discovery who nonetheless also finds a way into my mock. Thanks to him looking like such a wild man in that highlight video, including even dropping into zone coverage making some plays on ocassion. Polian and the war room could love that high-intensity effort enough to draft him, especially if they think he can be a quality back-up at SLB or can replace Josh Thomas as a rotational DE. If both even better, either way Skuta will follow Darrell Reid as the team's special teams beast.

7. MICHAEL TAUILIILI, LB, Duke (5-10 1/8, 231, 4.77)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/michaeltauiliili.jpg
Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTo2dd49Jh4)
Looking for a hit this late in the Draft, I'll go for another good special teams player for new coach Ray Rychleski and potentially a top-notch back-up MLB (perhaps even a starter?). Yes the third potential linebacker off the board, the Colts need strong competition and depth at linebacker badly, Adam Seward is the only legitimate depth and he signed a 1-year deal. Addressing linebacker like they did interior offensive lineman last year makes sense.


Tell me what you think, if you want and have the chance.

Originally I had Ball State QB Nate Davis in the mock, but ultimately as much as I personally like him (think he could be a steal for someone), he didn't make the final cut. I think the Colts will roll with just Sorgi on the roster for one more year if not both years remaining on his contract. Plus not having to carry a third QB shifts that roster spot to a 4th RB in either Chad Simpson or Lance Ball, as Mike Hart might not be fully recovered at the start of the season.

Yes, no RB drafted. I couldn't really see a pick that fit for the Colts when those two young guys Simpson and Ball will be further developed, Addai is the guy and Hart is a keeper, and I also think Dominic Rhodes sticks in Indy for at least one more year.

Also no offensive lineman, as you additionally noticed. No need imo, with Ugoh, Lilja, Saturday, Pollak, Diem, Richard, Johnson, Justice, and Federkeil. Plus also Michael Toudouze, who I think could be a very competent RT in the league, and Corey Hilliard. Next year they will draft the RT of the future for sure though, unless maybe Federkeil is their guy.

No punter drafted neither. I can see the Colts going into training camp with Mike Dragosavich and an undrafted free agent, maybe Chris Miller of Ball State.

MaxV
03-31-2009, 03:48 PM
Good mock Geo, except I'm pretty sure we'll pick at least one OL.

Dam8610
03-31-2009, 04:00 PM
I could see that happening, and I don't hate it. I really want the Colts to get Kory Sheets though, is it too much to ask to have ONE Purdue player in the NFL that I can root for?

MaxV
03-31-2009, 04:01 PM
Hey, you had Gilbert Gardner.......















.......:(

Dam8610
03-31-2009, 04:04 PM
Hey, you had Gilbert Gardner.......















.......:(

Okay, rephrase...one GOOD Purdue player. The only positive thing Gardner ever did for this team was sniff out a fake punt.

MaxV
03-31-2009, 04:05 PM
Don't feel bad, PSU was represented by David Macklin and Ed Johnson on the Colts.

Geo
03-31-2009, 04:19 PM
Good mock Geo, except I'm pretty sure we'll pick at least one OL.
Maybe, although I do not believe more than nine OL on the roster is an option. So however it ultimately works out, we'll see.

Btw I did want to include another DT late, to compete with Daniel Muir for the fifth and final DT spot, but I never really got to it plus couldn't think of a guy. Clinton McDonald of Memphis might have been considered but I heard he had a great pro day and was getting looks by some 3-4 teams because of it, so the value didn't seem to be there anymore. Similar situation with Roy Miller of Texas. There's still UDFA though.

I could see that happening, and I don't hate it. I really want the Colts to get Kory Sheets though, is it too much to ask to have ONE Purdue player in the NFL that I can root for?
Sheets was considered, he has the talent, the speed, the experience, and I think the intelligence as well even. Ultimately though I wasn't completely sure if he has the pass-blocking and the character, to merit the 3rd round pick it would take to get him because I think that could be the latest chance the Colts would have to get him. Someone will probably snatch Sheets up in the 4th round.

LB Anthony Heygood was definitely considered as well.

Don't feel bad, PSU was represented by David Macklin and Ed Johnson on the Colts.
Ouch. Maybe Derrick Williams can break that? Although I ruled him out as a Colts pick because his broad jump and vert jump didn't meet up to the Colts' standards of the last few years. Plus I just think he's missing some natural receiver ballskills, although he can get separation.

I think DE Josh Gaines is a more likely option, as an UDFA. The Colts like short DL because it helps them with leverage, plus if I have it right, he played a similar role to Raheem Brock as a DE who slide inside on occasion. You would know better than I, Max.

But if so, the Colts like guys who have done the same thing in college as they would do with the Colts. They don't transition much.

Gaines any good?

Dam8610
03-31-2009, 06:02 PM
Don't feel bad, PSU was represented by David Macklin and Ed Johnson on the Colts.

Ed Johnson had some value at one point.

Geo
03-31-2009, 06:11 PM
I'm surprised no team has yet to pick up Johnson, would have thought he'd get one more chance.

MaxV
03-31-2009, 08:43 PM
Josh Gaines was good in college, but I don't think he's much of a NFL prospect.

Perhaps, we can take a flier on Maurice Evans in later rounds. He'll definitely fall and could be a sleeper. He was an absolute BEAST during his sophomore season.

As I've stated before, I love Deon Butler and think that he's underrated. Forget his size, this guy is a good WR. If he were to be another inch or 2 higher and about 10lbs heavier, he would be a first round prospect.

This guy is VERY fast, excellent route runner and drops a ball about once per decade.

psulion21
03-31-2009, 10:04 PM
Josh Gaines was good in college, but I don't think he's much of a NFL prospect.

Perhaps, we can take a flier on Maurice Evans in later rounds. He'll definitely fall and could be a sleeper. He was an absolute BEAST during his sophomore season.

As I've stated before, I love Deon Butler and think that he's underrated. Forget his size, this guy is a good WR. If he were to be another inch or 2 higher and about 10lbs heavier, he would be a first round prospect.

This guy is VERY fast, excellent route runner and drops a ball about once per decade.

As a penn state fan i would much rather see us take butler with a third or fourth depending on how hes ranked right now over using a second on derrick williams he has the tools to be a real weapon for peyton. Also evans was a beast but his off the field issues have definately set him back and he didnt come back with the same tenacity he had his sophmore year i don't see polian going after him but then again he does manage to suprise me now and then in a good way so i trust whatever he decides to do

Geo
04-01-2009, 10:04 AM
Patriots bringing in Ziggy Hood for a pre-Draft visit. (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/03/31/patriots_draw_a_bead_on_ziggy/)

Blast. I'm not unconvinced that one of the factors in them drafting Maroney was knowing that the Colts wanted him, hopefully that doesn't happen again this year. They're probably just making the Colts sweat though.

chad72
04-01-2009, 10:35 AM
Patriots bringing in Ziggy Hood for a pre-Draft visit. (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/03/31/patriots_draw_a_bead_on_ziggy/)

Blast. I'm not unconvinced that one of the factors in them drafting Maroney was knowing that the Colts wanted him, hopefully that doesn't happen again this year. They're probably just making the Colts sweat though.

The Patriots are very likely to have a chance at Clay Mathews and possibly Rey Maualuga as well. With Mike Vrabel gone and Bruschi up there in age, the LB core could use both an ILB & OLB. My anticipation is that they will have the chance to draft either Clay Mathews or Animal Jr. as well though Animal Jr. fits us well. Their secondary, they revamped in the offseason with Shawn Springs & Leigh Bodden, their secondary will surprise people this year, trust me. My prediction is the Pats still go with an LB, the LBs are the core personnel that make their D versatile and make it click.

I think it will depend on what the Detroit Lions do with their Pick No. 20. If the Detroit Lions go DT with either Jerry or Hood, then we will most likely not have access to the 3rd DT in the draft because the Falcons will go for a DT.

If Jerry & Hood are gone by No.27 (Raji is a no-brainer gone conclusion), then I can see the Colts do one of 2 things:


1. Look at James Lauranitis or Alphonso Smith with the No.27 pick

2. Trade down and get an extra No. 2 & No.4 from the Seahawks who pick at No.4 in the second round.

chad72
04-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Interesting tidbit about Devin Moore, RB from Wyoming: Wyoming running back Devin Moore wasn’t invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, so he had to find another way to get his foot in the door. Not only did he get in, but he had the first official workout in front of NFL team officials in Indianapolis. Moore, who grew up in Indianapolis and attended high school at Cardinal Ritter there, held his own private “pro day” on Thursday for scouts at a sports training facility near the airport. Fourteen teams attended the “off-campus” workout at which he ran the 40 in 4.43 and 4.41 seconds, had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, short-shuttle runs of 4.22 and 4.29 seconds, a 7.14-second cone drill and 27 reps on the bench press. His 4.41 40 would have ranked fifth-best at last year’s combine among running backs. Moore, who was measured at 5-9˝ and weighed 190 pounds, is the all-time leading rusher in Wyoming history and was the Mountain West Conference rushing champion last season.

The Colts however have shown official interest in Jason Cook, a fullback from Ole Miss. These are numbers from his Pro Day:

Height: 5'11 3/4"

Weight 241

Vertical: 33.5

Broad: 9' 6"

40 Yd: 4.63 & 4.71

Bench: 22 reps

20 Yard: 4.23-4.25


Does this mean the Colts will finally invest in using a legit I formation for short yardage? Hmmm...

killxswitch
04-01-2009, 12:04 PM
If the Colts draft a fullback I will be shocked but pleased.

chad72
04-01-2009, 12:17 PM
Legend
PW - Private workout to be held
V - Team is bringing in player to team facilities
I - Spoke to prospect at All Star Game
FI - Formal interview done at Combine
APD - Attended pro day
RI - Rumored interest
MV -Team took prospect out, worked out individually at pro day, or miscellaneous visit

Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut (FI)
Mitch King, DL, Iowa (I)
Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinnati (FI)
Josh Gaines, DE, Penn ST (APD)
Aaron Maybin, DE Penn ST (APD)
Dan Skuta, DE, Grand Valley State

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia (APD)
Frank Summers, FB, UNLV (APD)
Jason Cook, FB, Ole Miss (APD)
Andrew Johnson, RB, Akron (PW)
Devin Moore, RB, Wyoming
Gartrell Johnson, RB, Colorado ST (PW)

Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California (PW)
Nate Davis, QB, Ball ST (APD) (IND only team to attend)
Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia (APD)

Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Alex Mack, C, Cal
Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
Samuel Allen, OT, Grand Valley State

Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois (APD)
Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio ST (FI)
Zach Follett, LB, California (I)
Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
Russell Allen, LB, San Diego ST (APD)
Ramon Humber, LB, North Dakota State (PW)
Andy Schantz, LB, Portland State (PW)

Michael Hamlin, S/LB, Clemson (I)
Chip Vaughn, S/LB, Wake Forest (I)
David Bruton, S/LB, Notre Dame (I)

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest (I)
Dewayne Lewis, CB, So Utah (APD)
Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida

Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State (I)(APD)
Jordan Norwood, WR, Penn ST (APD)
Deon Butler, WR, Penn ST (APD)
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland, (RI)
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU, (RI)
JaRon Harris, WR, So Dakota ST (MV)
Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri (APD)
Dudley Guice, WR, Northwestern State
Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina (PW)

Corey Irvin, DT, Georgia (FI)
Fili Moala DT, USC (FI)
Ron Brace, DT, Boston College (FI)
Lonnie Harvey, DT, Morgan ST (PW)
Evander Hood, DT, Missouri (APD)
Tez Doolittle, DT, Auburn (PW)

Thomas Morstead, P, SMU

Seamus2602
04-01-2009, 04:33 PM
If the Colts draft a fullback I will be shocked but pleased.

Apparently, the Franchise have been very interested in a number of Fullbacks. The absolute shambles that was the short Running Game last year means that they need to go get one, instead of using a Defensive Tackle, like Klecko and Reid, to Run Block. They are apparently quite high on Frank Summers out of UNLV.

Geo
04-01-2009, 06:36 PM
The Patriots are very likely to have a chance at Clay Mathews and possibly Rey Maualuga as well. With Mike Vrabel gone and Bruschi up there in age, the LB core could use both an ILB & OLB. My anticipation is that they will have the chance to draft either Clay Mathews or Animal Jr. as well though Animal Jr. fits us well. Their secondary, they revamped in the offseason with Shawn Springs & Leigh Bodden, their secondary will surprise people this year, trust me. My prediction is the Pats still go with an LB, the LBs are the core personnel that make their D versatile and make it click.

I think it will depend on what the Detroit Lions do with their Pick No. 20. If the Detroit Lions go DT with either Jerry or Hood, then we will most likely not have access to the 3rd DT in the draft because the Falcons will go for a DT.

If Jerry & Hood are gone by No.27 (Raji is a no-brainer gone conclusion), then I can see the Colts do one of 2 things:

1. Look at James Lauranitis or Alphonso Smith with the No.27 pick

2. Trade down and get an extra No. 2 & No.4 from the Seahawks who pick at No.4 in the second round.
I'm hesitant at best to guess what the Pats will do. They are a wild card imo, because they will do their own thing even if it's a bad move. If I were them though, I would draft Larry English. Or I should say, I hope they don't draft Larry English because he would be great for them. Which wouldn't be good for the Colts.

I agree though with the Lions, I still think they will take a DT - most likely Jerry - at #20. Maybe if we're lucky they go OT instead.

I'm not as concerned about Atlanta because they are looking for a bigger/heavier guy to be their NT, to replace old-but-huge Grady Jackson who signed with those same Lions in FA. The Falcons just signed their 3-tech Babineaux to a 5-year/$25M extension late last year, so maybe they can address a bigger need like linebacker, safety, or perhaps tight end.

Mike Lombardi thinks the Colts would go Jarron Gilbert if Hood & Jerry are off the board. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/notes-from-lombardi-first-round-mock/) I doubt that pick though, although not necessarily because of it being a "reach". Well in a vacuum I would consider him a reach as he's more of a 2nd round talent, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Steelers took Gilbert at #32 so it's not really a reach in that respect. If that sort of makes sense.

But back to the Colts, I wonder if they consider Gilbert's height (6-5 1/4) a negative.

Geo
04-01-2009, 07:09 PM
Interesting tidbit about Devin Moore, RB from Wyoming: Wyoming running back Devin Moore wasn’t invited to the NFL Scouting Combine, so he had to find another way to get his foot in the door. Not only did he get in, but he had the first official workout in front of NFL team officials in Indianapolis. Moore, who grew up in Indianapolis and attended high school at Cardinal Ritter there, held his own private “pro day” on Thursday for scouts at a sports training facility near the airport. Fourteen teams attended the “off-campus” workout at which he ran the 40 in 4.43 and 4.41 seconds, had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, short-shuttle runs of 4.22 and 4.29 seconds, a 7.14-second cone drill and 27 reps on the bench press. His 4.41 40 would have ranked fifth-best at last year’s combine among running backs. Moore, who was measured at 5-9˝ and weighed 190 pounds, is the all-time leading rusher in Wyoming history and was the Mountain West Conference rushing champion last season.
I like him too. He has the height Polian likes (5-9ish) but not the weight (200ish), though. Colts might overlook that for his legit speed, especially if they are looking to get a super return man prospect in addition to him capable of being a very effective slash-type back. Peyton throwing him the ball, he could make a thing or two happen. And he just might fall far enough that the Colts could take him, after addressing some bigger needs beforehand.

The Colts however have shown official interest in Jason Cook, a fullback from Ole Miss. These are numbers from his Pro Day:

Does this mean the Colts will finally invest in using a legit I formation for short yardage? Hmmm...

If the Colts draft a fullback I will be shocked but pleased.

Apparently, the Franchise have been very interested in a number of Fullbacks. The absolute shambles that was the short Running Game last year means that they need to go get one, instead of using a Defensive Tackle, like Klecko and Reid, to Run Block. They are apparently quite high on Frank Summers out of UNLV.
"Shocked" as killxswitch said is right for me. LOL, I'm blown at the idea of the Colts drafting a fullback ... but it's kind of an exciting idea to think about, if they can really make it work. I wonder if Addai might really flourish with a good fullback, help him think less so he can play faster. Now I'm hoping they do draft a great fullback! ;)

Here's a great article on Frank Summers at the UNLV pro day, including mention of praise from a Colts' scout. (http://www.lvrj.com/sports/40836637.html) Another good article on his pro day, including a video highlight reel of him as a RB at UNLV. (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/mar/06/summers-steals-show-unlv-pro-day/)

Southern Cal supposedly recruited him out of JUCO to play fullback, but he chose UNLV to keep playing RB.

Dam8610
04-01-2009, 11:53 PM
Apparently, the Franchise have been very interested in a number of Fullbacks. The absolute shambles that was the short Running Game last year means that they need to go get one, instead of using a Defensive Tackle, like Klecko and Reid, to Run Block. They are apparently quite high on Frank Summers out of UNLV.

The short conversion run game sucked last year for 2 reasons:

1) Subpar run blocking from the OL, Ryan Lilja will hopefully help to improve this aspect.

2) Most importantly though, Dungy or Moore or someone INSISTED on having a big set in almost any short conversion situation, which is utterly moronic for an offense that in any other situation would use a no huddle with no substitutions to try to take advantage of personnel mismatches, yet in the ONE situation where that makes the most sense (don't let them get their run down personnel in since you KNOW your run blocking is and has been subpar, and keep them thinking pass with a 3 WR or 2 TE set), and the ONE situation where getting an "attack" snap off would be most beneficial, the team instead chose to allow the opponent to get their run personnel in and try to outslug them with a subpar run blocking OL, receiving TEs, and a DT playing FB. BRILLIANT!

Point number 2 is my argument against a FB on this offense at any point before Peyton Manning retires. A FB in this offense is ONLY going to play in short yardage situations, and getting that FB on the field is going to require a substitution, which, per NFL rules, means the offense has to allow the defense to substitute, meaning the offense not only eliminates their chance to get an "attack" snap first down, but they also must allow the defense to get their best run defending personnel on the field before the snap of the ball. Considering how the TE position is and will be constituted on this team until Peyton Manning retires, it makes no sense to make that substitution, and therefore it makes no sense to waste a roster spot on a player who will only see the field in goal line situations.

JMHO of course.

But back to the Colts, I wonder if they consider Gilbert's height (6-5 1/4) a negative.

I would think they would, especially considering he's 6'5" 288. I don't think it would be a huge negative, however, I do think he would have to (and could easily) add at least 10-15 pounds to his frame (preferably 10-15 pounds of muscle).

Geo
04-02-2009, 01:54 AM
I agree with you Dam that it is unlikely and a serious tweak to the offense, if not an outright change. Which additionally is quite unlikely.

But I think there's a chance it could work if the Colts, for whatever reason(s), really want it to happen. Again though, that's a big tweak.

Who knows though, perhaps Tom Moore retires after this season.

Dam8610
04-02-2009, 02:13 AM
I agree with you Dam that it is unlikely and a serious tweak to the offense, if not an outright change. Which additionally is quite unlikely.

But I think there's a chance it could work if the Colts, for whatever reason(s), really want it to happen. Again though, that's a big tweak.

What's the point of adding a true FB though? The only real benefit I can think of is goal line, because IMO that 2 TE I Form should be scrapped for any area of the field outside of the opponent's 5 yard line.

Geo
04-02-2009, 09:49 AM
The two positives that I can think, assuming this experiment went well, are improving the running game and maybe getting another pass blocker in there so that Peyton can find Wayne/Gonzalez/Clark (deep).

I think the Steelers make it work, when their pass offense is somewhat similar to the Colts - Arians was QB coach from 98-00, you can see similarities in formations and routes. The Patriots had a fullback on the roster, although I believe at the moment they don't. Neither had a big role, like say Lorenzo Neal in his day with the Chargers, and definitely contributed on special teams.

But again, I agree with you. It seems too unlikely and the Colts are probably just better off getting a quicker receiver out there for Peyton to find and quickly deliver the ball too.

Touching on your other point, it's not like Gijon Robinson is so good that he needs to see the field. Maybe more like the opposite. Hopefully Santi develops and takes over.

Geo
04-03-2009, 11:46 AM
More from KFFL:

Colts | A. Johnson runs well during workout
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:47:32 -0700

Bo Marchionte, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports University of Akron RB Andrew Johnson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.32 seconds while working out for the Indianapolis Colts March 31. Johnson measured in at 5-foot-10 and 215 pounds.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Colt signed him as an UDFA, with that speed and size.

chad72
04-06-2009, 10:52 AM
My first 2 picks are the same as Geo's.

Round 1 - Evander Hood, DT, Missouri (For some reason, Detroit goes QB & OT with their 2 first round picks and by them not going DT, Peria Jerry goes past No.20 and Hood makes it to No.27)

Round 2 - Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State (Quality OLB who was constantly overshadowed by Lauranitis and the hype of the USC LBs)

Alternatives:

If we go DT/LB, it will be Hood/Freeman, if we go LB/DT, it will be Lauranitis/Moala. Moala will probably be our best bet at the end of the 2nd round if we wait to go DT till the end of the second round. All quality pass rushing DTs will be gone by our second round pick, only run stuffing pocket pushers will be available instead of pocket penetrators unless we get lucky with a later round sleeper. So I am hoping we go DT in the first round but with BP, you never know.

If we trade down to the top of the 2nd (top 8 picks somewhere) and get an extra 2nd & 4th because BP feels all his 1st round potential guys are gone (Jerry, Hood etc.) and does not pull the plug on Jarron Gilbert like the hype makes us believe he is 1st round potential, then my possibilities include:

CB: Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest who could drop due to size concerns to top of the 2nd, too talented to pass up if he is there at the top of the 2nd, IMO. He has played the likes of Calvin Johnson in college, so it is not like he has not played taller WRs. Asante Samuel is 5'10" and I think due to his instincts, awareness and technique, Alphonso Smith could be the next Asante Samuel though he is 5'9".

WR: Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina who could also drop due to his weight gain issues




Round 3 - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma (I feel due to his lack of quickness, he may drop a bit. He will make a better RT than LT though he played LT at Oklahoma and could be our future replacement for Ryan Diem)

Round 4 - Corey Irvin, DT, Georgia (At 6'3", 300 lbs, has ample size to play UT plus has played elite SEC competition)

Round 4 comp pick - Deon Butler, WR, Penn State - 5'11", 182 lbs, 4.3 40 (I expect a mad rush for skill position players with Mike Wallace, Johnny Knox etc. all gone and this guy will be decent value at this point)

Round 5 - Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida - he is a quality CB who was the only player in FBS to finish top 20 in kickoff and punt returns, an area we might find him useful in addition to his CB qualities

Round 6 - Thomas Morstead, P, Southern Methodist - he will be our replacement for Punter Smith

Round 7 - Marcus Thigpen, RB, Indiana - with this pick, we would have added speed to our special teams. Plus, if we decide to ever go down the path of a 3rd down back consistently, this guy could be our YAC RB if he manages to get to the second level (my alternative for this pick was Dan Skuta, DE/OLB from Grand Valley State but decided to go with Thigpen instead).

MaxV
04-06-2009, 10:59 AM
Sure, Loadholt could drop, but not past 2nd round.

Geo
04-06-2009, 02:22 PM
Thinking about it more, I don't think I'll have the Colts drafting Marcus Freeman in the 2nd round. His vert jump (9' 5") might not be good enough for the Colts to take him in the 2nd round, I wonder.

So my new mock:

1. DT Ziggy Hood
The more I think about it, the more perfect a fit he is imo. Probably even more than Peria Jerry. At this point I'm just hoping he reaches the pick.

2. WR Mike Wallace
Not too early imo. I don't think he gets through the 3rd round nor do I think the Colts risk losing him. Wallace is 1 of only 3 receivers who fit exactly what the Colts look for, the other 2 guys are Darrius Heyward-Bey and Jeremy Maclin. Actually very similar to Heyward-Bey but was more productive and additionally a top-notch kickoff return prospect.

3. LB Jason Williams, Western Illinois
I think Gerald McRath is an excellent suggestion by Dam, and I wanted to put him here except for two things: (1) I'm not sure if he reaches this pick, as a team like the Atlanta Falcons could easily draft him in the 3rd to be their future WLB; and (2) I'm not sure how good he is in coverage, with only 1 interception in his career. Then again Williams only has 1 INT in his career too, but he has 14 career forced fumbles which the Colts will LOVE. Maybe a super Tampa 2 corner like Jairus Byrd falls this far, or they go for Joe Burnett who has proven more (including All-American punt return man) at a bigger school?

4/4/5/6/7. Same as previous mock.

Dam8610
04-07-2009, 01:48 AM
I am going to post my extremely optimistic mock draft which I don't think will happen. For this to happen, I think a few players would have to fall. Far.

1) DT Peria Jerry, Ole Miss
Jerry is the Colts top target in this draft, and if he does reach this pick, it's a no brainer. Jerry is your prototypical 3-tech, able to disrupt the backfield and get pressure on the QB. His age is a little concerning, but he's an extremely talented player.

Alternate Selection: DT Evander "Ziggy" Hood, Mizzou

2) WR Mike Wallace, Ole Miss
I don't mind a reach here since I'm having trouble identifying any player I want in round 2 should the Colts address DT in round 1. Wallace is a deep threat, which will hopefully help to open up the passing game more.

Alternate Selection(s): S Michael Hamlin, Clemson/CB Darius Butler, UConn

3) ILB Gerald McRath, Southern Miss
Gary Brackett is in a contract year, Adam Seward is his backup, and there are a total of 6 LBs on the roster right now (IIRC, and this includes Rufus Alexander). McRath would be a very good fit for this system, and could play multiple LB positions if needed.

Alternate Selection: WR Demetrius Byrd, LSU

4) DT Myron Pryor, Kentucky
The size of a NT with the ability to penetrate into the backfield and take on double teams makes Pryor an excellent value here. I think that had he gone to a bigger school, he'd be a Day 1 consideration.

Alternate Selection: DT Dorrell Scott, Clemson

4) RB Kory Sheets, Purdue
You didn't really think I'd leave him out, did you? In all seriousness, though, I think Sheets is the best fit at RB for the Colts in this draft, and RB2 is a glaring need with Rhodes gone and Hart coming off an ACL. Great value, fills a need, what more could you ask from a compensatory pick?

Alternate Selection(s): DT Clinton McDonald, Memphis/DT Mitch King, Iowa

5) S Darcel McBath, Texas Tech
Both Antoine Bethea and Marlin Jackson are pending free agents in 2009, so IMO the work to replace them needs to begin in this draft, and it starts here with McBath, who plays pretty well deep, but has the ability to play enforcer when need be.

Alternate Selection: OT Fenuki Tupou, Oregon/ILB Joshua Mauga

6) S Jamarca Sanford, Ole Miss
Looks to be a poor man's Bob Sanders, and can probably contribute early on special teams.

Alternate Selection: WR Dudley Guice, Northwestern St.

7) OT Jose Valdez, Arkansas
Versatile backup who could potentially replace Diem in the future.

Alternate Selection(s): RB Andrew Johnson, Akron/RB Devin Moore, Wyoming

Geo
04-07-2009, 11:53 AM
Very nice mock, Dam. I would be very pleased if the Colts could enter May with those new additions.

I think this is a fair summation: Peria Jerry is probably the better player right now, Ziggy Hood is probably the better prospect. Although I could see Jerry playing for 10 years, or Hood playing better from day one, shrug. I'll just be ecstatic if the Colts draft one of the two, I think both could step in immediately and make a difference.

(Then again if the Colts take a chance on a 2nd round DT, like say Sen'Derrick Marks, it might work well.)

Glad to see someone else could see the Wallace pick. I'm sure if it happens people will scream overrated, meanwhile he's being ranked behind players who have no business being ahead of him imo. Granted I'm not sure if Wallace has the intelligence to play for the Colts, odds are he may not. But he seems to have good character, he fits the physical profile to a tee, and has the production parameters the Colts look for. Who knows, we'll see.

McRath has experience playing outside and inside, the Colts love that. Again, I'm just curious about his coverage skills, not having seen him play any. Maybe he wasn't asked to drop back a lot by his coaches/defensive scheme. And he declared as a junior, so it's not like he was passed over to play one of the all-star pre-Draft bowls which are only eligible for seniors.

Dam8610
04-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Very nice mock, Dam. I would be very pleased if the Colts could enter May with those new additions.

I think this is a fair summation: Peria Jerry is probably the better player right now, Ziggy Hood is probably the better prospect. Although I could see Jerry playing for 10 years, or Hood playing better from day one, shrug. I'll just be ecstatic if the Colts draft one of the two, I think both could step in immediately and make a difference.

(Then again if the Colts take a chance on a 2nd round DT, like say Sen'Derrick Marks, it might work well.)

Glad to see someone else could see the Wallace pick. I'm sure if it happens people will scream overrated, meanwhile he's being ranked behind players who have no business being ahead of him imo. Granted I'm not sure if Wallace has the intelligence to play for the Colts, odds are he may not. But he seems to have good character, he fits the physical profile to a tee, and has the production parameters the Colts look for. Who knows, we'll see.

McRath has experience playing outside and inside, the Colts love that. Again, I'm just curious about his coverage skills, not having seen him play any. Maybe he wasn't asked to drop back a lot by his coaches/defensive scheme. And he declared as a junior, so it's not like he was passed over to play one of the all-star pre-Draft bowls which are only eligible for seniors.

As long as DT gets addressed early, I'm happy. As for the Wallace pick, seems as good as any to me. I just don't see the value at 61 for the Colts at any position but DT, but if it's addressed in Round 1, it would be odd, but not unprecedented (CB in 2005), to address the spot again in Round 2. I think I may have gone light on LBs in my mock, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team draft 2 and bring in 3, but McRath is definitely someone I want on this team, for the reasons already discussed. His versatility is great, and he can slide into a starting role next year, keeping Wheeler at SLB where the team can take advantage of his blitzing skills better.

Geo
04-08-2009, 09:42 AM
The one thing I wasn't comfortable with on the Wallace pick was that, although I would be pleased if the Colts took him in the 2nd round, Polian says the team usually goes BPA in the first 2 rounds and then look to address needs afterwards. I like Wallace, I'm not sure he's BPA in the late 2nd though.

But I distinctly remember Peyton saying early last season that Harrison being back healthy was why the Colts didn't go WR in the '08 Draft. Presumably he meant going WR early, because they did draft Garcon (who I think can/will be the #3 guy this year), but I remember being a bit surprised he said that and made sure I kept that in my memory bank. Maybe that was just his hope, or maybe he's pretty tied in with the front office. I wish I could find the video for it now, but Colts.com prunes older videos. So it's probably unlikely the Colts don't draft a WR on day one, if you want to put some stock in this.

All of this has made me decide to change my mock 2nd round pick to another WR, it's edited if you check the link in my sig but I'll just quote the new selection here:

2. MIKE THOMAS, WR, Arizona (5-7 7/8, 195, 4.40)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/AllenY/09%20Draft/mikethomas.jpg
Draftguys' video profile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksI1AG9G18M)
2008 Arizona vs. Cal highlights (first 5 minutes, Thomas is #10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6L_5cKerHo)
Polian hasn't drafted a WR an inch shorter than 6-feet in Indy, and I believe that's also the case in his time at Carolina and Buffalo. That's why I didn't make this pick at first, but I think the talent and the complete game Thomas brings could make him an exception. As his comments about DeSean Jackson last year clearly state, it's small receivers that Polian doesn't like - Thomas isn't small, he's short yet tough enough to play the position fully, like former Colts' 2nd round picks Bob Sanders (5-8 3/8) and Tim Jennings (5-7 3/4). The Pac-10's new all-time receptions leader also returned kickoffs as a junior and punts as a senior (scored two TDs, 1st team All-Pac 10), so he brings that added playmaking element to the game that the Colts are looking from their 2nd round pick. He's not a #1 receiver and we're not sure exactly if he can be a potent deep threat or not, but he has the potential to be one heck of a slot receiver and return man, which ultimately makes him my pick. Even if he's not worth a second contract, he could definitely be worth his first one and possibility contribute immediately given his experience (four-year starter, spread offense).

chad72
04-08-2009, 11:48 AM
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_draft_player_team_interest_rumor_mill_-_april_3/

On a footnote, we brought in Jaron Harris, WR, (2nd cousin of Jerry Rice, 4.35 40) from South Dakota State for a second private workout. (http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=25,82874)

There is no doubt this all means we are looking hard at late round wideouts.

Geo
04-08-2009, 12:52 PM
If the 4.35 in that article is true, Harris seems like a fit. He has the height and weight, although his production numbers overall may not be enough if the Colts require more from a smaller school level. I'd like to know his vert and broad jumps as well.

The Colts looking at small school guys makes sense, if the big school guys don't meet their criteria. And a vast majority of them don't, including some of the more well-known guys.

Looking at my notes, I scratched Johnny Knox off my list not because of one major thing but four little things - weight, vert, broad, and 3-cone - which didn't quite match the criteria the Colts have shown in receivers the last few years. But if the Colts are fine with that, that's great, because obviously he's got natural speed and seems like a pretty underrated receiver. His production at Abilene Christian is definitely not a problem, he did great his two years there.

Geo
04-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Boston College DT Ron Brace has been scheduled for an official visit with the Indianapolis Colts on April 16-17, according to a source. (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=113&p=9&c=2&cid=854581&nid=3898151&fhn=1)

zomg he's 330 lbs zomg

(I think this is the Colts trying to get teams off their scent imo.)

chad72
04-08-2009, 01:46 PM
Boston College DT Ron Brace has been scheduled for an official visit with the Indianapolis Colts on April 16-17, according to a source. (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=113&p=9&c=2&cid=854581&nid=3898151&fhn=1)

zomg he's 330 lbs zomg

(I think this is the Colts trying to get teams off their scent imo.)

Maybe we are tweaking our NT needs from a 1-gap NT to a 2-gap NT. As long as it works, go Larry Coyer:)

Here is an explanation of the difference:

http://forums.contracostatimes.com/topic/one-gap-two-gap

chad72
04-09-2009, 09:07 AM
If we are looking for bigger NTs in the draft, I feel we could be a seeing a hybrid or tweaked version of the Tampa 2.

One of the Williams D-linemen in Minnesota plays 2-technique while the other plays 3-technique (typical Cover 2 DT assignment). I think we may have a bigger NT play 2-technique and our UT play 3-technique just like the Vikings thus pushing the pocket and have some penetration while our double-edged sword in Freeney and Mathis clean up the rest.

killxswitch
04-09-2009, 09:22 AM
Taking a page out of Minny's book would be fantastic IMO. Maybe that big guy from Morgan State could be our Pat Williams, and Peria Jerry or Ziggy Hood our Kevin Williams. Our DEs are better than Minnesota's so that would be SWEET.

RagingColt
04-09-2009, 10:00 AM
Who's the kid from Morgan State? Would be awesome if we could find two stout DTs and have a wicked D line on all three downs.

Seamus2602
04-09-2009, 11:46 AM
Ron Brace, in my opinion, isn't the pick. While I do believe under Larry Coyer that the Colts will get bigger in the Front 7, especially in the Interior Defensive Line, they are still going to be quicker than Ron Brace.

A NT like Ron Brace will be a 2 Down player. He will come out on passing downs. He ran a 5.5 40 Time. Stephen Hawking runs a faster 40 Time than him. Brace will be a quality player in the NFL but I don't see him as a Colts player. As Nose Tackles go, if Indy pick up a Nose in the Draft, it will more likely be Sammie Lee Hill from Stillman, who is big, but also a bit qucker than Brace (329 lbs, 5.12 40), Chris Baker from Hapmton (326lbs, 4.94 40) or Myron Pryor, who is a bit lighter, but more agile (319 lbs, 5.03 40). There is more value at the latter three than there is with Ron Brace. Brace is better than all of them but will have to be a 1st Round pick while those three will be Day 2 picks.

MaxV
04-09-2009, 11:51 AM
Maybe BJ Raji falls to us.

Then again, Polian doesn't pick guys with off-field issues.

MaxV
04-09-2009, 11:53 AM
BTW, if talking about big DTs with quickness, Chris Baker fits the bill.

But once again, character issues.

Geo
04-09-2009, 12:26 PM
Who's the kid from Morgan State? Would be awesome if we could find two stout DTs and have a wicked D line on all three downs.

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/200903arch.htm
Morgan State University nose tackle Lonnie Harvey had his pro-day last week, the only scout to show up was a representative of the Philadelphia Eagles. With the lack of publicity surrounding the M.S.U.'s Football program, Lonnie decided to have a camera crew follow him around during the workout and created a youtube highlight of the event. He displayed athleticism (at 6'3" and 346 lbs) and showed why teams are becoming more and more intrigued with a defensive linemen who can either play the nose in a 3-4 scheme or be that one or three technique in a 4-3 scheme. Currently projected as a latter round pick or priority free agent, Harvey has already secured workouts/visits with the Baltimore Ravens, Carolina Panther and Indianapolis Colts. The New England Patriots are the latest team to inquire about Lonnie, fitting since they might be looking to add depth behind Vince Wilfork on draft weekend.

Harvey's pro day workout video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoxFwVxpwAM)

Geo
04-09-2009, 12:38 PM
Ron Brace, in my opinion, isn't the pick. While I do believe under Larry Coyer that the Colts will get bigger in the Front 7, especially in the Interior Defensive Line, they are still going to be quicker than Ron Brace.

A NT like Ron Brace will be a 2 Down player. He will come out on passing downs.
Completely agree. I don't see how the Colts spend a 1st, or likely even a 2nd, on a player that won't be on the field on third downs. Heck, third down might be the most important down for the Colts.

I think the Brace visit is a smokescreen like Early Doucet and Mario Manningham were last year, to hide the receivers the Colts really liked (who were taken in the 2nd round before their pick). Or to hopefully get another team to consider Brace as a NT, maybe to not consider Ziggy Hood as much.

Then again, if the Colts don't go DT in the 1st and all the good DTs are off the board in the 2nd round except for Brace, maybe he is the BPA at that point. I don't expect that to happen though, a 3-4 team or even a 4-3 team that wants a NT (Atlanta) or to get bigger (Tampa Bay) will likely draft him first.

But I think if the Colts do draft a big DT, it's going to be late like you say. Which I think is a good idea, bring in a guy from a smaller school and give him a shot. If it doesn't work, or the defense doesn't work as expected with a much bigger man, you didn't blow a pick.

Geo
04-09-2009, 01:06 PM
BTW, if talking about big DTs with quickness, Chris Baker fits the bill.

But once again, character issues.
I would really like to add his presence/skillset, especially as he's able to carry the weight and also the speed/explosion but at a shorter height. The shorter height is a good thing imo, as he might get better leverage and there might not be as much concern about playing too high like a 6' 4" guy. But I would definitely, definitely pass on Baker for the whole Draft. Character is too big an issue.

But that kind of brings us back to Myron Pryor. At 6 feet he carries 320 lbs. and yet has explosion, with 30" vert/8' 11" broad jumps and running around 5.0 flat at the Combine. Seems to be a good fit for a one-gap scheme. Stamina might be a concern, but he wouldn't play that many snaps with the Colts anyways.

There is the interesting case of Vaughn Martin, another 6-3/330 big guy. Read these two articles:

"CIS underclassman chases NFL spot" (http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090401.wsptcis1/GSStory/GlobeSportsFootball/home)
"NFL awake to Western's 'sleeper'" (http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=261847&x=articles&s=university_sports)

The latter article says the Colts have worked him out and will bring him in for a visit. Keep in mind Polian's history/ties to Canadian football, he and the scouting department have brought a few guys in. They probably won't spend a draft pick on him though, maybe bring him in as an UDFA.

RagingColt
04-09-2009, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the link Geo.

Seamus2602
04-09-2009, 03:44 PM
I am not as concerned at Baker's off the field issues. I think the problem is Penn State. There are a lot of players in Penn State who get into trouble. I think if you get him Baker into a good Locker Room, like there is in Indy, and he will settle down. He hasn't got involved in any **** since leaving Penn State and I feel his skill set is worth taking a gamble on.

MaxV
04-09-2009, 03:51 PM
I am not as concerned at Baker's off the field issues. I think the problem is Penn State. There are a lot of players in Penn State who get into trouble. I think if you get him Baker into a good Locker Room, like there is in Indy, and he will settle down. He hasn't got involved in any **** since leaving Penn State and I feel his skill set is worth taking a gamble on.


Yeeaaahhhh. I'll have to disagree with that.

There are guys like Poz and Connor that don't get in trouble.

chad72
04-09-2009, 04:22 PM
The more I see clips of him play, I can see him being our version of Brian Urlacher, I am talking about James Lauranitis. He has good hands for those INTs and brings a lot of energy and hard hitting. For those who question his 40 time, a good football player's game speed is caused by his awareness and instincts to spot the plays early enough, not just his athletic straight line speed.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-k7Czh_ww&feature=related

Someone brought up a point of his numbers being eerily close to that of Rob Morris, the last LB drafted in 2000 as a 1st round draft pick.

But first, Rob Morris' pass coverage skills have never been that good. And Rob Morris was drafted with a different defensive system in mind. Once Dungy came in the next year, he was never utilized right and when he was during our SB run, he contributed really well, IMO.

Plus, BP had an interesting thing to say in this article on colts.com:

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=72d3e6ad-538e-4eb7-a134-9e4aad0d9912

“I put more value on what they do in shoulder pads and helmets in four years,” Polian said.

Asked if he attends Pro Days, he said, “I do not.”

“Pro Days are about numbers, and we can gather the numbers,” he said. “I would never grade a player based on how he performed on his Pro Day. I'm not good enough to do that.”

Based on this, I can bet Lauranitis' grades are pretty good on BP's chart as a football player.

chad72
04-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Right now, in my mind, I would probably think of something like the following:

Round 1 - James Lauranitis, MLB, Ohio State
Round 2 - Fili Moala, DT, USC
Round 3 - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma (if he drops) or Derek Cadogan, OT, Penn State
Round 4 - Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina/Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
Round 4 comp pick - Zach Follett, OLB, California
Round 5 - Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida
Round 6 - Lonnie Harvey, DT, Morgan State
Round 7 - Jaron Harris, WR, South Dakota State / Marcus Thigpen, RB, Indiana

If we do get 2 WRs, it may be bye bye Roy Hall as a WR.

Geo
04-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Roy Hall is a beast, I still believe ... :D

Measurables are incredibly important for the Colts. Not the only thing, which is what Polian is trying to say through his usual ********, but incredibly important. Basically measurables are what separate the potential Colts players from the overall group of good players. Later on in the Draft the Colts are a bit more forgiving, as the talent pool dwindles down.

Laurinaitis is a very good player, but I don't think he has the 1st round measurables that are so good the Colts have to draft him now as Brackett's successor. I know you weren't exactly going for a direct comparison, but Urlacher is so much more physical than he is. Larry Coyer had Al Wilson in Denver, who is just about the complete opposite of Laurinaitis. Honestly I wonder if Laurinaitis is even as good as Paul Posluszny.

Again, I like the guy and would be pleased as punch if he is the pick. But I'm going to be honest and a little harsh in looking at who can/will help the Colts contend for championships.

Also I don't think the Colts will draft Moala because of a somewhat inconsistent motor and he plays too tall. Ziggy Hood at times plays too tall too, that's probably his biggest knock against him, but I don't think it's as bad as it is for Moala. I bet the Colts wish Hood was 6' 0" or 6' 1" instead of almost 6' 3" though. Sedrick Ellis would have been so perfect for the Colts, sigh.

RagingColt
04-09-2009, 07:28 PM
Chad, I can't help but notice in the highlight reel of Lauranitis, that he was almost never blocked by anyone. How often does that happen in the NFL? Not knocking your pick or opinion, just making a point.

Think I'd agree with Geo, for a LB to be picked by the Colts in 1st round, he would have to be a knockout player. Not to say that James wouldn't make a good MLB for us, but I'm just not convinced that he's a good 1st round pick for us.

That said, after reading the good chunk of the posts here in the draft thread, I still haven't a clue who the Colts are targeting in the 1st round. Besides, sometimes way too much emphasis is placed on 1st round picks. A team wins playoff games not only with the their top two picks from each year, but also with lower round guys like Mathis and others.

Geo
04-09-2009, 07:48 PM
If Laurinaitis could land in a situation like Mike Peterson did as a free agent in Jacksonville, where he had Marcus Stroud and John Henderson in front of him, that would be absolutely perfect for him as he could really tear it up. Maybe going to Baltimore or Miami gives him close to that chance, although they're 3-4 defenses.

Two videos from NFL Network:

D Grade for the DTs (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fb203a)

State of the Colts (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fb24da)

The Dallas writer doesn't get it, which doesn't surprise me but I digress. Peyton saying or not saying something doesn't have much to do with the Colts drafting, Polian goes for a best player available and for making the team better. First off, part of the final determination of BPA is need, not the other way around. But secondly, obviously you're going to give an all-time legend like Peyton weapons because he can lead you to 12 wins for six straight seasons and counting, giving you a chance at the championship every year.

Also Mayock's comments about Ziggy don't bother me much. Yes Ziggy needs to consistently play lower and use his hands, so that he doesn't get washed out as much. But a similar concern was raised about Sed Ellis last year, obviously not as much as for Hood. Just to reiterate, Ellis getting washed out wasn't near as much a problem as it is for Hood now. I'm just saying Mayock raised a similar concern against Ellis last year (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807fdc90), and I think you can find it happens to just about every DT at times.

Plus Mayock's idea of a defense differs from the Colts defense, there's a natural difference between the two. He came up in the league in Bill Parcell's 3-4, he thinks defensive lineman should be a certain way. He loves Tyson Jackson, who the Colts wouldn't draft in the first 3 or 4 rounds. I don't strike it against him, I'm just saying it helps to know where he's coming from and to keep that in mind. I love hearing his opinion on prospects.

chad72
04-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Chad, I can't help but notice in the highlight reel of Lauranitis, that he was almost never blocked by anyone. How often does that happen in the NFL?

The reason he could roam freely is the same reason Bob Sanders could roam freely to make plays, not worry about the OL getting to them all the time. If Lauranitis is as good as shown on film and Bob Sanders gets a lot of attention with a spy, there is only so much TEs and OLs can do if the Colts get good DTs. You can't get to the next level if the DT play is good enough, that allows playmakers like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs etc. to roam free. Ray Lewis, before Ngata came, his numbers were going down. Once the D-line got straightened out, Ray Lewis could make plays again.

If you noticed, in the "they are who we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook" game, you will see Brian Urlacher not having a man on him and able to make several plays in the Bears comeback win on MNF against the Cardinals. How does that happen in the NFL? Answer, it happens. You are playing one man short in the NFL as an offense with the QB not being able to block and then you can afford only one spy on a safety or LB. But, if you cannot play the DTs one on one, you have to play Freeney man-to-man or vice-versa. That is how much having good DTs on our team will take our D to a high level. Our DT play is so mediocre that teams had one of the highest pass completion percentage against us even though they threw the 9th least number of passes against us. They just move into the pocket or use 3 step drops, the pocket is nice and sweet against us.

Maybe we trade down and go with an OT with the deep O-line class, that is a very distinct possibility that did occur to me if BP is not so high on Hood, Gilbert or Lauranitis.

Dam8610
04-10-2009, 12:17 PM
The reason he could roam freely is the same reason Bob Sanders could roam freely to make plays, not worry about the OL getting to them all the time. If Lauranitis is as good as shown on film and Bob Sanders gets a lot of attention with a spy, there is only so much TEs and OLs can do if the Colts get good DTs. You can't get to the next level if the DT play is good enough, that allows playmakers like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs etc. to roam free. Ray Lewis, before Ngata came, his numbers were going down. Once the D-line got straightened out, Ray Lewis could make plays again.

If you noticed, in the "they are who we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook" game, you will see Brian Urlacher not having a man on him and able to make several plays in the Bears comeback win on MNF against the Cardinals. How does that happen in the NFL? Answer, it happens. You are playing one man short in the NFL as an offense with the QB not being able to block and then you can afford only one spy on a safety or LB. But, if you cannot play the DTs one on one, you have to play Freeney man-to-man or vice-versa. That is how much having good DTs on our team will take our D to a high level. Our DT play is so mediocre that teams had one of the highest pass completion percentage against us even though they threw the 9th least number of passes against us. They just move into the pocket or use 3 step drops, the pocket is nice and sweet against us.

Maybe we trade down and go with an OT with the deep O-line class, that is a very distinct possibility that did occur to me if BP is not so high on Hood, Gilbert or Lauranitis.

Okay, so if Laurinaitis needs good DTs in front of him to be successful, and the Colts don't have good DTs, doesn't it make sense to get some good DTs before getting someone like him?

chad72
04-10-2009, 12:42 PM
Okay, so if Laurinaitis needs good DTs in front of him to be successful, and the Colts don't have good DTs, doesn't it make sense to get some good DTs before getting someone like him?

...if BP doesn't get a chance to draft Jerry or Hood and is not high on Gilbert (more hype based on numbers and potential than actual production at college till this point), then he will have to see which player can give him the best value at a position of need.

Plus, Tarik Glenn was drafted before Peyton Manning. Should the LT be picked first and then the QB or the QB first and then the LT, there are points for both sides? When you pick for the front 7, whether it is an LB or DT, as long as you are putting together the pieces in place, you don't have to necessarily do them in order as long as you address them in the same draft, IMO.

Our needs - DT, LB, CB, WR, OT, RB (if you are talking about an upgrade)

So if the closest value to No.27 is in the form of an LB named Lauranitis (let us say Jerry is 20, Hood is 25 and Lauranitis is 29, for example), it will be Lauranitis that will be picked if Jerry and Hood are gone. BP is not going to reach for a middle-of-the-2nd-round DT with the No.27 pick, that is not him. It is absurd to think that if we get to draft only a 2nd or 3rd round DT in this DT-starved draft (IMO), we cannot play good run D. If the other piece of the puzzle to complete the front 7 along with the DL (the LBs) can be obtained with value earlier, so be it. That is what I am getting it. No one knows and neither do I claim to know that BP will rank Lauranitis as first round material. Anyone we choose at No.27 will be a borderline reach since it is so close to the 2nd round. But all the analysts can't be idiots when they say there are only 2 first round caliber DTs, Raji and Jerry. The others moved up due to the DT-starved draft class and the hype surrounding their numbers & potential analysis. That is why, IMO, our first pick will not be a DT if Jerry does not get to us.

I know some of you here are high on Gerald McRath for our MLB position, I am not. He does not have the fluid hips to do well in pass coverage, he may have the speed but he is more like a strong safety than LB at the next level, he will transition more likely to the weakside than MLB. Lauranitis is much better in pass coverage and has good soft hands for INTs, IMO. Plus, I am not sure how often we will get a chance to draft someone who will fit the qualities of an MLB for our system with good pass coverage skills, intelligence to be a team defensive captain down the road and being capable of relaying signals to everyone effectively as an MLB. Lauranitis may be solid and steady at the next level and not spectacular but our LB core could use a good dose of "steady" and "tackling" that he brings.

Here, take a look at their profiles:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518951

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563624


The other option, like I said, OL is a distinct possibility, with or without a trade down.

Geo
04-10-2009, 02:49 PM
Polian likes "strikers" as he calls them. I don't know if Laurinaitis qualifies as that, my guess is no.

And McRath might not be good enough either. You guys know I really like Scott McKillop, but I've pretty much ruled him out myself because I don't think he's athletic enough to play for the Colts. If Brackett's successor isn't in this Draft, then he's not in this Draft. You can't force it.

Worse comes to worse, even if Brackett signs with another team next year (no sure thing imo), I think the Colts can move Clint Session inside for 2010 and be just fine. He played some middle linebacker in college, and he's definitely physical enough. He'll have the most experience anyways.

Btw, if you're worred about what Mayock said about Hood, don't be imo. First off, Mayock graded Hood as a 2nd round talent (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f6df74) before any of the Senior Bowl or Combine. He even says himself that all of that and his character have only helped him, which could make him go late 1st for a team looking to get a good DT.

Experts thought Joseph Addai and Anthony Gonzalez were 2nd round talents, they thought Chris Johnson was a major reach by the Titans last year, etcetera. If anyone is to be trusted, it's the Colts. They draft late in the 1st round and they take a quality player who can be productive for their team.

Maybe it's Laurinaitis, maybe it's Ziggy Hood, maybe it's Alphonso Smith, maybe it's Brian Robiskie, or maybe it's someone else. We'll find out in two weeks and a day, can't wait.

psulion21
04-10-2009, 03:11 PM
I dont really believe the whole this guy was a reach thing especially when it comes to the colts. Bill Polian is going to draft the best player for the team with that selection in most cases, if hes not projected to go that high then it shouldnt matter cause hes still the best fit and maybe even the best talent that just doesnt get seen

chad72
04-10-2009, 03:51 PM
Polian likes "strikers" as he calls them. I don't know if Laurinaitis qualifies as that, my guess is no.

Maybe it's Laurinaitis, maybe it's Ziggy Hood, maybe it's Alphonso Smith, maybe it's Brian Robiskie, or maybe it's someone else. We'll find out in two weeks and a day, can't wait.

I can't wait for the draft either. It is probably difficult to be blind-sided this year because we have needs at several positions - DT, LB, CB, WR, OT, and possibly RB. So, if it is one of those, it is hard to be blind-sided. Plus, with an RB, we have always had a very high pick or a very low pick, so I will be curiously watching if BP even goes that way (maybe this year's Matt Forte, Donald Brown, a high character workhorse guy, or maybe Rashad Jennings by trading down to the top of the 2nd?? Both Belichick and A.J.Smith attended Donald Brown's Pro Day, how often do you see both of them attending the same Pro Day?).

This draft will probably set the trend for us to see what kind of football players BP will draft for the new coaches, he tends to align his picks with the system his coaches run - in Carolina, in Buffalo, in Indy, he has always done that. The players picked will tell us more about Caldwell's influence and preferences more than anything else, I feel.

RagingColt
04-10-2009, 07:26 PM
This draft will probably set the trend for us to see what kind of football players BP will draft for the new coaches, he tends to align his picks with the system his coaches run - in Carolina, in Buffalo, in Indy, he has always done that. The players picked will tell us more about Caldwell's influence and preferences more than anything else, I feel.

I'd agree with that 100% Chad.

cptstangem
04-11-2009, 01:42 AM
i know everyone is high on baby animal.polian has shown repeatedly that lb's for OUR system can be had in later rounds and still be highly effective.i dont know how many of you have seen these videos.the first one will bring fear to opposing O's.second scraems cover 2. enjoy!!!! http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/frantz_joseph_-_lb_-_florida_atlantic/
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/lee_robinson_video/
both more than likely day 2 picks which is tradionally were we get lb's

Geo
04-12-2009, 06:46 PM
I am just hoping that one of Ziggy Hood and Peria Jerry is there at the Colts' first round pick.

Recent mock are getting really me worried both could be taken before #27.

chad72
04-12-2009, 08:45 PM
I am just hoping that one of Ziggy Hood and Peria Jerry is there at the Colts' first round pick.

Recent mock are getting really me worried both could be taken before #27.

...for saying my darkhorse pick for the first round is RB.:)


Let us hope Beanie Wells drops, or we trade down for an extra draft pick and get Rashad Jennings, maybe???

Let us not forget there were 2 things that stand out as our weaknesses from last year - run defense and run offense. Our first pick can and will address one of those, that is why my darkhorse pick is RB.

It is going to be a lot of fun, that is why we all speculate as fans.:cool:

Dam8610
04-14-2009, 04:52 PM
What do you guys think of what we've done in the forum mock so far? Quick Recap:

Draft Picks
14) WR Jeremy Maclin
56) DT Sen'Derrick Marks
136) DT Myron Pryor
159) RB Kory Sheets
165) S Michael Mitchell

Trades
- 1st, 3rd, CB Marlin Jackson for 1st
- 2nd, 4th for 2nd
- RB Mike Hart for 5th
- 6th for RB Edgerrin James

Geo
04-14-2009, 05:06 PM
You traded Marlin Jackson and Mike Hart, you broke my heart. :(

j/k, real nice job.

Geo
04-14-2009, 05:14 PM
Scott's new 3 round mock has the following picks for the Colts:

1. DT Peria Jerry
2. WR Derrick Williams
3. LB Kaluka Maiava

Thoughts?

Geo
04-14-2009, 11:33 PM
PFT is now confirming the earlier story that Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana at the Combine. (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/14/harvins-positive-result-is-confirmed/)

He's now completely off the draft board.

Anyone stupid enough to test positive at the Combine, when everyone knows they'll be tested, doesn't belong on the Colts.

killxswitch
04-15-2009, 12:49 PM
Scott's new 3 round mock has the following picks for the Colts:

1. DT Peria Jerry
2. WR Derrick Williams
3. LB Kaluka Maiava

Thoughts?

I like #1 obviously. I don't want Derrick Williams at all, much less in the 2nd. Maiava seems too small for the direction the Colts appear to be heading with LBs.

Also why the heck would Ziggy Hood go before Peria Jerry in the draft? I like any draft in which we get Jerry, but I though this one was a bit off.

chad72
04-16-2009, 09:18 AM
I feel the Colts, if they go wideout, it will be Hakeem Nicks. They seem to be real interested in him that they brought him in for another workout. He is more like the Anquan Boldin type, more of an intermediate threat, fights for yardage and is good with YAC, we could use some of that.

This also means that Gonzo is officially Marvin's replacement by being chosen to play outside where Marvin was. We all felt he had some of his best games when lined up outside. I can't wait for Peyton to build chemistry with him, I am drafting Anthony Gonzalez for sure in my FF teams:) as a #2 wideout.:)

The Dolphins have shown interest in Nicks as well.

The way things are shaping up, I could see Nicks going to the Dolphins, Alphonso Smith going to the Titans, Lauranitis dropping out of the first round and Evander Hood available for BP to pick. The big question is, will he?

No matter how thin the DT draft class is, like Geo said, Hood would have at least been a top of the second round talent in a DT deep draft as well. That would still be a notch above the kind of DTs we have:( .

Geo
04-16-2009, 10:09 AM
Here are links for what chad is referring to:

April 1st (http://ind.scout.com/2/852655.html)
It was first reported on ProFootballTalk.com and later confirmed to ColtPower.com by VikingUpdate.com's Tim Yotter that Hakeem Nicks recently had a workout with the Indianapolis Colts.

April 14th (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/14/nicks-remains-in-demand-as-draft-approaches/)
And Friday he’ll work out for both the Ravens and the Colts. Both teams will attend the session, during which Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco will throw the passes.
Just my guess, but I think Nicks is a smokescreen.

chad72
04-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Here it is, from the NFL Draft Diary:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090415/SPORTS0402/904150353/1002/sports

"Sen'Derrick Marks visited the Tennessee Titans last week and worked out in Auburn for the Indianapolis Colts and New England Patriots. "

That makes him, along with Fili Moala, as one of the two possible 2nd round DT range prospects the Colts are interested in. But I get the impression he is more enamored with Jeff Fisher, at least that is the impression I got after reading the above.

Then,

per draftdaddy.com


-* Earlier this year cornerback Steven A. Jackson of Fort Valley State University ran an impressive 4.20 40-yard dash in his pre-draft training. He was an All-American in track and field and attended the Cactus Bowl in January after he made seven interceptions in his senior season. The Colts, Dolphins, Ravens and Seahawks have all shown some interest in him.

-* Jake Richardson of University of Miami (Ohio) is one of the best punters in this year's draft. On Friday he has a personal workout today with the Colts. Before that he had a workout with the Bengals and the Patriots. Two weeks ago he had one with the Falcons and the Eagles. At his Pro Day in mid-March he punted for scouts from the Bengals, Giants and Packers. His long punt at his Pro Day was 57 yards with all five punts being longer than 48 yards.

chad72
04-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Here is the updated list so far:

Legend
PW - Private workout to be held
V - Team is bringing in player to team facilities
I - Spoke to prospect at All Star Game
FI - Formal interview done at Combine
APD - Attended pro day
RI - Rumored interest
MV -Team took prospect out, worked out individually at pro day, or miscellaneous visit


Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut (FI)
Mitch King, DL, Iowa (I)
Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinnati (FI)
Josh Gaines, DE, Penn ST (APD)
Aaron Maybin, DE Penn ST (APD)
Dan Skuta, DE, Grand Valley State (MV)
J.D. Skolnitsky, DE, James Madison (APD)

Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia (APD)
Frank Summers, FB, UNLV (APD)
Jason Cook, FB, Ole Miss (APD)
Andrew Johnson, RB, Akron (PW)
Devin Moore, RB, Wyoming
Gartrell Johnson, RB, Colorado ST (PW)
Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty (RI)
Marcus Thigpen, RB, Indiana (PW)

Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California (PW)
Nate Davis, QB, Ball ST (APD) (IND only team to attend)
Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia (APD)

Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Alex Mack, C, Cal
Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
Samuel Allen, OT, Grand Valley State

Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois (APD)(PW)
Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio ST (FI)
Zach Follett, LB, California (I)
Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
Russell Allen, LB, San Diego ST (APD)
Ramon Humber, LB, North Dakota State (PW)
Andy Schantz, LB, Portland State (PW)

Michael Hamlin, S/LB, Clemson (I)
Chip Vaughn, S/LB, Wake Forest (I)
David Bruton, S/LB, Notre Dame (I)
Al Afalava, S, Oregon ST (PW)
Michael Mitchell, S, Ohio (MV)

Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest (I)
Dewayne Lewis, CB, So Utah (APD)
Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida (FI)
Steven A. Jackson, CB, Fort Valley State
Reggie Jones, CB, Portland ST (PW)

Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State (I)(APD)
Jordan Norwood, WR, Penn ST (APD)
Deon Butler, WR, Penn ST (APD)
Darrius Hey-Bey, WR, Maryland, (RI)
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU, (RI)
JaRon Harris, WR, So Dakota ST (MV)(V) (Harris is cousin of Jerry Rice)
Jearmy Maclin, WR, Missouri (APD)
Dudley Guice, WR, Northwestern State
Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina (PW)
Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene-Christian (PW)
Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina (MV)

Corey Irvin, DT, Georgia (FI)
Fili Moala DT, USC (FI)
Ron Brace, DT, Boston College (FI)(MV)
Lonnie Harvey, DT, Morgan ST (PW)
Evander Hood, DT, Missouri (APD)
Tez Doolittle, DT, Auburn (PW)
Vaughn Martin, DT, Western Mustangs (PW)

Thomas Morstead, P, SMU
Jake Richardson, P, University of Miami (PW)


28 of 32 teams attended Ohio ST pro day. IND was likely one of them to watch these guys:
WR Brian Robiskie
OLB Marcus Freeman
OLB James Laurinaitis (projects as WILL)
CB Malcolm Jenkins
RB Chris Wells
OT Alex Boone
S Jamario O'neil

IND attended USC Pro Day:
LB Rey Maualuga
LB Clay Matthews
LB/DE Brian Cushing
DT Fili Moala
LB Kaluka Malava
S Kevin Ellison
QB Mark Sanchez
WR Patrick Turner
CB Cary Harris
DE Kyle Moore

Geo
04-16-2009, 10:45 PM
Kind of on a strange note, but that list reminds me of thanking Jim Irsay not only for his willingness to invest in his players, but also the money he invests in the scouting department. It's integral to the Colts being one of the better scouting/drafting teams in the league, having such qualified people involved.

I think last year was one of the few times we saw someone leave, a regional scout took a bigger job (I want to say director of scouting) with the Falcons and look how their drafting turned out last year.

killxswitch
04-17-2009, 02:06 PM
(reposting this from a different colts-related forum that Dam and I both post on)

On a whim I sent Lonnie Harvey an email saying that I enjoyed his pro day video and that I hope the Colts use one of their picks on him. Surprisingly, he responded.


Thanks FatDT I really appreciate the support. I hope to be a colt one day that would be sweet. As far as my movement at my size I've seen few who do move like me. They are shawn rodgers, albert haynesworth, haloti nagta. Catch my drift lol. All dominate big men. And im cut from that same mold. Check my highlight video out I posted it a few days ago, tell me what you think, if I do or don't fit that mold. Thanks once again.



It's nothing earth-shattering but I figured I might as well share.

Dam8610
04-18-2009, 12:40 AM
Colts Forum Mock Results (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1606164&#post1606164)

Thoughts?

MaxV
04-18-2009, 08:59 AM
I love your picks, but that's WAY too much to trade for 14th overall.

And I'd rather have Mike Hart at this point then Edge.

Seamus2602
04-18-2009, 10:41 AM
QB: Peyton Manning / Jim Sorgi / Nate Davis

I have to admit I do like that pick. Nate Davis, for a number of reasons, has nosedived but I still think he will be a very good player and to get a player of his ability for a 7th Round pick is a steal. QB has improved compared to last year.

RB: Joseph Addai / Edgerrin James / Kory Sheets / Lance Ball

Firstly, you are willing to give up a 6th Round Pick on a 1 year player. I love the Edge. He was brilliant. But so was Marshall Faulk and I wouldn’t advocate resigning him. A Sixth Round Running Back would probably have a slightly less impact on the Colts this season, but will actually be able to play in the next Season, unlike the Edge. Kory Sheets, who you exchanged for Mike Hart, doesn’t have the ability in the long term to be an every down back. He can’t get the tough yards. He goes down at first hit and played out of the Spread and could struggle to make any sort of impact straight away as he gets to grips with a rather complex Colts Offense. You basically traded Mike Hart to a team to get a slightly better version of Chad Simpson, who you then cut. The Colts current Running Backs of Addai, Hart, Simpson and Ball are better and provide better value than the Running Backs you have assembled. RB has regressed compared to last year.

WR: Reggie Wayne / Anthony Gonzalez / Jeremy Maclin / Pierre Garcon / Sam Gigučre / Roy Hall

Firstly, Gigučre won’t make the 53. You have 55 players in your Depth Chart, so two have to be cut. While Maclin is a talent that doesn’t come around every now and again, giving up a 1st, a 3rd and Marlin Jackson is just crazy. We give up a 1st Round pick, a 3rd Round pick and our starting Cornerback on a 3rd Wide Receiver? Why Maclin is a brilliant talent, you gave up way too much for him. WR has improved compared to last year.

TE: Dallas Clark / Tom Santi / Jacob Tamme

The only argument I have here is whether the team will feel that Tom Santi is ready to start at H-Back. If not then cutting Gijon Robinson was a wrong move. TE has stayed the same as last year.

LT: Tony Ugoh / Charlie Johnson / Michael Toudouze
LG: Ryan Lilja / Steve Justice
OC: Jeff Saturday / Jamey Richard
RG: Mike Pollak / Steve Justice
RT: Ryan Diem / Charlie Johnson / Daniel Federkeil

You made no improvements to the depth along the Offensive Line? If Ugoh or Diem goes down injured, then we play Charlie Johnson out of position. We need to bring in a real backup Offensive Tackle, so that if we have injuries on the Offensive Line we aren’t playing people out of position. OL has stayed the same as last year.

RE: Dwight Freeney / Marcus Howard
LE: Robert Mathis / Raheem Brock / Curtis Johnson

We have, in my opinion, 3 DE positions. They are RE, 3rd Down LE and 1st/2nd Down LE. We have our three starters in Freeney (RE), Mathis (3rd Down) and Brock (1st/2nd Down). We have our 3rd Down backup in Marcus Howard, someone with real pass rushing skills. I don’t believe that Curtis Johnson is the answer for the RE position, (or the 1st/2nd Down LE position). You also traded the player who, in my opinion, is the obvious successor to Raheem Brock in Keyunta Dawson. DE has regressed, slightly, compared to last year, where we had the every down RE in Thomas, Brock’s backup in Reid and Marcus Howard.

NT: Myron Pryor / Antonio Johnson / Daniel Muir
UT: Sen'Derrick Marks / Eric Foster / Raheem Brock

Defensive Tackle has, obviously, got better, but you spent 3 picks on 2 players. And reaches at that. Yes Sen’Derrick Marks is a 2nd Round pick, but not a 2nd and 4th Round pick. Marks, or Moala will be there by our pick in 2nd so there was no need to trade. And Myron Pryor in the 4th? Myron Pryor will probably fall the 6th or 7th, possibly out of the Draft and you pull the trigger with a 4th Round Pick? Also, with the Pryor pick, and the need to reduce the team to 53, Daniel Muir will probably be cut. DT has improved on last year, but is it at a real value?

WLB: Clint Session / Jordan Senn
MLB: Gary Brackett / Adam Seward
SLB: Philip Wheeler / Tyjuan Hagler

There are also no improvements in the Linebackers. I can understand that some people feel that we don’t need an upgrade over Clint Session, but we could still do with adding more depth at Linebacker. Linebacker has probably stayed at the same level.

CB: Kelvin Hayden / Dante Hughes / Tim Jennings / Michael Coe / T.J. Rushing

Dante Hughes? Dante Hughes? The 5th Cornerback on the Roster last season, is now a starter. In this draft we need to improve on our Cornerbacks, bring in more backup, not make it worse. For the love of Christ Jesus. Dante Hughes? He will probably be a decent player in a few years but this is the man who fell behind Tim Jennings and Keiwan Ratliff on the Depth Chart last year. CB has regressed massively from last year.

SS: Bob Sanders / Melvin Bullitt / Michael Mitchell
FS: Antoine Bethea / Jaime Silva / Michael Mitchell

While Michael Mitchell has improved his draft stock in recent weeks we have yet another reach. Mitchell still mightn't even be drafted. While I do like what I hear about him, I don’t feel burning a 5th Round Pick on him is a good idea. S has slightly improved on last year.

K: Adam Vinatieri
P: Hunter Smith
LS: Justin Snow

No change, nor should there be, unless Hunter the Punter doesn’t resign.

Offense

A lot was spent on the Offense in this draft, including a 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, a 6th Round Pick, a 7th Round Pick, a starting Cornerback, 2nd Running Back and starting Defensive Tackle. The Offense hasn’t improved nearly enough for the amount that was paid for it.

Defense

The Defensive Line has improved, but that wouldn’t be difficult. The Linebackers stayed the same and the Secondary regressed. Overall, the Defense barely improved.

Overall

I don’t mean to sound as mean as I have in that analysis, I just don’t believe we did well out of it.

Geo
04-18-2009, 11:03 AM
The neatest thing about Maclin is that having him and Anthony Gonzalez for the next 10-plus years is like having Harrison and Wayne (except drafted closer together) again.

Dam hates Michigan, that's why he traded Mike Hart and Marlin Jackson. :P

I agree with Seamus on his gist about RBs. Thinking about this, doing a little research, ever since hearing the news about Rhodes signing with Buffalo. I look at this runningback class, and I just don't think there's one prospect out there for the Colts to draft. Unless Mike Hart won't be able to fully play football by Week 5, that is.

Well I think Javon Ringer is perfect for this team, but the Colts would probably have to draft him in the 3rd rd to get him and that likely won't happen with his measurables/carries.

Sorry Dam, but I just don't trust Kory Sheets. If the Colts draft him though, then I will because of the trust in their scouting. But not right now. I think I'd rather draft Cedric Peerman of Virginia.

But is Peerman really a step up from any of the depth backs? Mike Hart runs just as hard but also has elite pass protection skills. Chad Simpson does a better job of playing as fast as his timed 4.40 speed, despite carrying the same weight (5' 9"/215ish). I guess that is a roundabout way of saying I am fine with Hart and Simpson as the #2 and #3 backs, although again, that's largely depending on Hart's health. Love Hart.

On the topic of Edge though. I wouldn't trade a pick for him either, because that means taking on a $5M base salary for '09 (I doubt the Colts could afford that plus signing their rookies). But if the Cardinals do cut Edge and the Colts could sign him to a relatively cheap deal, omg that would be perfect. Then again he might want to go somewhere where he's more assured of the #1 spot. Although this late in the game, that may be tough. He'd rather go to, what, Seattle or Cleveland?

Come back to Indy and finally win that ring, Edge.

Dam8610
04-18-2009, 02:25 PM
I love your picks, but that's WAY too much to trade for 14th overall.

And I'd rather have Mike Hart at this point then Edge.

When you look at who we got out of the 14th pick, is it really that much? Also, consider that Marlin Jackson is in a contract year, is coming off an ACL, and was outplayed by Keiwan Ratliff last year (who I would have resigned, but there was no free agency). I know DT is the priority, but if Maclin was there at 14 and that trade was available, I'd want the Colts to take it.

As for Edge, I think he's still got enough in the tank to be a good RB2, Hart coming off an ACL, on the other hand, would worry me as the RB2.

QB: Peyton Manning / Jim Sorgi / Nate Davis

I have to admit I do like that pick. Nate Davis, for a number of reasons, has nosedived but I still think he will be a very good player and to get a player of his ability for a 7th Round pick is a steal. QB has improved compared to last year.

I see Davis in an Aaron Rodgers type role with the team, hopefully waiting longer than 4 years to get his chance of course.

RB: Joseph Addai / Edgerrin James / Kory Sheets / Lance Ball

Firstly, you are willing to give up a 6th Round Pick on a 1 year player. I love the Edge. He was brilliant. But so was Marshall Faulk and I wouldn’t advocate resigning him. A Sixth Round Running Back would probably have a slightly less impact on the Colts this season, but will actually be able to play in the next Season, unlike the Edge. Kory Sheets, who you exchanged for Mike Hart, doesn’t have the ability in the long term to be an every down back. He can’t get the tough yards. He goes down at first hit and played out of the Spread and could struggle to make any sort of impact straight away as he gets to grips with a rather complex Colts Offense. You basically traded Mike Hart to a team to get a slightly better version of Chad Simpson, who you then cut. The Colts current Running Backs of Addai, Hart, Simpson and Ball are better and provide better value than the Running Backs you have assembled. RB has regressed compared to last year.

First, I didn't cut Simpson, that was simply an error of omission on my part. As for the trade for Edge, I think 2 years out of him is feasible, and better than what you'll get out of most 6th round picks, which will also give Kory Sheets time to develop into the RB2 role he was drafted to play (I see Addai as a long-term solution, especially if he'll resign on the cheap). I don't think Hart fits this offense very well, and I was able to trade him for a round higher value after he tore his ACL, so that decision was fairly obvious to me.

WR: Reggie Wayne / Anthony Gonzalez / Jeremy Maclin / Pierre Garcon / Sam Gigučre / Roy Hall

Firstly, Gigučre won’t make the 53. You have 55 players in your Depth Chart, so two have to be cut. While Maclin is a talent that doesn’t come around every now and again, giving up a 1st, a 3rd and Marlin Jackson is just crazy. We give up a 1st Round pick, a 3rd Round pick and our starting Cornerback on a 3rd Wide Receiver? Why Maclin is a brilliant talent, you gave up way too much for him. WR has improved compared to last year.

I'll just focus on the Maclin trade. This is a weak draft class, and Maclin is probably a Top 10 talent in most draft classes. Why is what I gave up "too much"? Marlin Jackson is in a contract year, coming off an ACL, and was outplayed by Keiwan Ratliff last season, and I still got 2nd round value for him. Obviously I'd rather not have given up the 3rd, but moving up practically half of round 1 doesn't come cheap. Maclin may be a 3rd WR now, but he also adds a dimension to the offense that was lacking last year in that he's a deep threat, and he instantly becomes the best on our offense at working with the ball in space and making plays.

TE: Dallas Clark / Tom Santi / Jacob Tamme

The only argument I have here is whether the team will feel that Tom Santi is ready to start at H-Back. If not then cutting Gijon Robinson was a wrong move. TE has stayed the same as last year.

From what I saw last year, I think a healthy Santi is ready to step in as the 2nd TE and do well.

LT: Tony Ugoh / Charlie Johnson / Michael Toudouze
LG: Ryan Lilja / Steve Justice
OC: Jeff Saturday / Jamey Richard
RG: Mike Pollak / Steve Justice
RT: Ryan Diem / Charlie Johnson / Daniel Federkeil

You made no improvements to the depth along the Offensive Line? If Ugoh or Diem goes down injured, then we play Charlie Johnson out of position. We need to bring in a real backup Offensive Tackle, so that if we have injuries on the Offensive Line we aren’t playing people out of position. OL has stayed the same as last year.

I disagree with the last sentence in that summation. Ryan Lilja provides an instant upgrade to the OL in returning. I don't think Charlie Johnson is out of position at RT, I know he had that bad run at LT in 2007, but at RT he has seen some success. I think Toudouze might actually be a better backup to Ugoh, but for some reason the team has never really given him a chance.

RE: Dwight Freeney / Marcus Howard
LE: Robert Mathis / Raheem Brock / Curtis Johnson

We have, in my opinion, 3 DE positions. They are RE, 3rd Down LE and 1st/2nd Down LE. We have our three starters in Freeney (RE), Mathis (3rd Down) and Brock (1st/2nd Down). We have our 3rd Down backup in Marcus Howard, someone with real pass rushing skills. I don’t believe that Curtis Johnson is the answer for the RE position, (or the 1st/2nd Down LE position). You also traded the player who, in my opinion, is the obvious successor to Raheem Brock in Keyunta Dawson. DE has regressed, slightly, compared to last year, where we had the every down RE in Thomas, Brock’s backup in Reid and Marcus Howard.

Freeney is an every down RE, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. I could see Brock still starting, but I'd prefer Mathis starting. I really think that with a solidified front in the middle (see: better DTs), Freeney and Mathis would be a great starting duo which would provide a better and more consistent pass rush. IMO the reason they went away from Mathis as a starter last year is because of the lack of quality and bulk in the middle.

NT: Myron Pryor / Antonio Johnson / Daniel Muir
UT: Sen'Derrick Marks / Eric Foster / Raheem Brock

Defensive Tackle has, obviously, got better, but you spent 3 picks on 2 players. And reaches at that. Yes Sen’Derrick Marks is a 2nd Round pick, but not a 2nd and 4th Round pick. Marks, or Moala will be there by our pick in 2nd so there was no need to trade. And Myron Pryor in the 4th? Myron Pryor will probably fall the 6th or 7th, possibly out of the Draft and you pull the trigger with a 4th Round Pick? Also, with the Pryor pick, and the need to reduce the team to 53, Daniel Muir will probably be cut. DT has improved on last year, but is it at a real value?

I'm not a big believer in Moala, so Marks became imperative to me after Gilbert came off the board at 47. Could he have lasted to 61? Possible, but it wasn't worth the risk to me. I'm also a bit higher on Myron Pryor than most, that said, the last compensatory pick in round 4 is pretty much a 5th round pick anyway. Watching Pryor last year, he has the quickness and agility to make plays, but he also has a pretty big body. Getting a NT that can provide a pass rush would be HUGE for the Colts, so I feel it was worth it.

WLB: Clint Session / Jordan Senn
MLB: Gary Brackett / Adam Seward
SLB: Philip Wheeler / Tyjuan Hagler

There are also no improvements in the Linebackers. I can understand that some people feel that we don’t need an upgrade over Clint Session, but we could still do with adding more depth at Linebacker. Linebacker has probably stayed at the same level.

There were a couple of moves I couldn't make that I wanted to, one of them was making an upgrade at MLB. I feel our depth elsewhere is fine, and in the worst case scenario, Wheeler slides over to MLB and Hagler plays SLB.

CB: Kelvin Hayden / Dante Hughes / Tim Jennings / Michael Coe / T.J. Rushing

Dante Hughes? Dante Hughes? The 5th Cornerback on the Roster last season, is now a starter. In this draft we need to improve on our Cornerbacks, bring in more backup, not make it worse. For the love of Christ Jesus. Dante Hughes? He will probably be a decent player in a few years but this is the man who fell behind Tim Jennings and Keiwan Ratliff on the Depth Chart last year. CB has regressed massively from last year.

Again, I was not allowed to resign Keiwan Ratliff, I consider him my CB2 at the end of this draft, that said, I do feel it's time for some of the youth at CB to get a chance. Once Ratliff is back on the team, I think this unit is about even with last year, but I see I'm a lot lower on Marlin Jackson than most Colts fans here.

SS: Bob Sanders / Melvin Bullitt / Michael Mitchell
FS: Antoine Bethea / Jaime Silva / Michael Mitchell

While Michael Mitchell has improved his draft stock in recent weeks we have yet another reach. Mitchell still mightn't even be drafted. While I do like what I hear about him, I don’t feel burning a 5th Round Pick on him is a good idea. S has slightly improved on last year.

I see Mitchell as a current insurance policy for Bob Sanders and a potential future replacement for Bethea. I'm not really sold on Bullitt, he seems like a good backup, but not a starter to me, and Silva is a special teams player to me.

Offense

A lot was spent on the Offense in this draft, including a 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, a 6th Round Pick, a 7th Round Pick, a starting Cornerback, 2nd Running Back and starting Defensive Tackle. The Offense hasn’t improved nearly enough for the amount that was paid for it.

You're extremely overvaluing Keyunta Dawson and Mike Hart in this assessment, and to me, losing a starting CB who was outplayed by a street free agent and a 3rd round pick is worth getting a talent like Maclin.

Defense

The Defensive Line has improved, but that wouldn’t be difficult. The Linebackers stayed the same and the Secondary regressed. Overall, the Defense barely improved.

With Ratliff back, I wouldn't say the secondary regressed, but obviously you're much higher on Jackson than I am

Overall

I don’t mean to sound as mean as I have in that analysis, I just don’t believe we did well out of it.

To be honest, I don't see much I could've done differently, other than not take Maclin, but again, if he's there and that trade would get it done, I think the Colts should pull the trigger.

The neatest thing about Maclin is that having him and Anthony Gonzalez for the next 10-plus years is like having Harrison and Wayne (except drafted closer together) again.

Actually I think it might be a little better, since IMO Maclin and Gonzo can both work in space. Then again, I doubt they have the hands of Marvin and Reggie circa 2006 ever, so it would be an interesting thing to watch over the next few seasons.

Dam hates Michigan, that's why he traded Mike Hart and Marlin Jackson. :P

Ha! I'm just very low on both of those players. Marlin is in a contract year, both are coming off ACLs, Hart scares me as the RB2, and both seem easily replaceable to me.

I agree with Seamus on his gist about RBs. Thinking about this, doing a little research, ever since hearing the news about Rhodes signing with Buffalo. I look at this runningback class, and I just don't think there's one prospect out there for the Colts to draft. Unless Mike Hart won't be able to fully play football by Week 5, that is.

Well I think Javon Ringer is perfect for this team, but the Colts would probably have to draft him in the 3rd rd to get him and that likely won't happen with his measurables/carries.

Sorry Dam, but I just don't trust Kory Sheets. If the Colts draft him though, then I will because of the trust in their scouting. But not right now. I think I'd rather draft Cedric Peerman of Virginia.

But is Peerman really a step up from any of the depth backs? Mike Hart runs just as hard but also has elite pass protection skills. Chad Simpson does a better job of playing as fast as his timed 4.40 speed, despite carrying the same weight (5' 9"/215ish). I guess that is a roundabout way of saying I am fine with Hart and Simpson as the #2 and #3 backs, although again, that's largely depending on Hart's health. Love Hart.

Sheets IMO fits the profile of a Colts RB very well. He's a fairly tough runner, he can break the big play, he's got very good hands and can be an option as a receiver out of the backfield, and most importantly, he can pass protect. I'm sure you all know how I feel about Hart by now, but I'll reiterate it: for the NFL, Hart is small, slow, and has a TON of tread on the tires, and IMO the last of those problems reared its head in his ACL tear last year. With Addai missing 1-2 games per year, the Colts can't afford to have Hart as the RB2. What I did in this draft gives the Colts two durable RBs behind Addai, so even if he does miss 2 more games this year (which I hope he doesn't), the RB position will be fine.

On the topic of Edge though. I wouldn't trade a pick for him either, because that means taking on a $5M base salary for '09 (I doubt the Colts could afford that plus signing their rookies). But if the Cardinals do cut Edge and the Colts could sign him to a relatively cheap deal, omg that would be perfect. Then again he might want to go somewhere where he's more assured of the #1 spot. Although this late in the game, that may be tough. He'd rather go to, what, Seattle or Cleveland?

Come back to Indy and finally win that ring, Edge.

To be honest, I traded the pick to bring Edge back, since there was no other way to do so. That said, Edge would contribute more to the team IMO than most 6th round picks. As for the salary, he restructured of course. :D

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

Seamus2602
04-18-2009, 03:31 PM
As for the trade for Edge, I think 2 years out of him is feasible, and better than what you'll get out of most 6th round picks, which will also give Kory Sheets time to develop into the RB2 role he was drafted to play (I see Addai as a long-term solution, especially if he'll resign on the cheap). I don't think Hart fits this offense very well, and I was able to trade him for a round higher value after he tore his ACL, so that decision was fairly obvious to me.

All I am saying about the Edge is that he may play better than a 6th Round Pick in 2009, and possibly even 2010, but in 2011, 2012, 2013, and so on? We build through the Draft, we always have under Polian and it has worked. Brining a win now player might make things better in 2009, but not in future years. We're the Colts, not the Jets, we draft for the future, not just the present. A Sixth Round Pick is worth more than the Edge. I also don't rate Kory Sheets all that well and I do rate Mike Hart, but like you, I am worried about the fact that he tore his cruciates. But he isn't a Speed Running Back. He is more of a between the tackles runner. We didn't have that last year and our Running Game suffered because of it. Kory Sheets won't be that good between the Tackles in the NFL.

This is a weak draft class, and Maclin is probably a Top 10 talent in most draft classes. Why is what I gave up "too much"? Marlin Jackson is in a contract year, coming off an ACL, and was outplayed by Keiwan Ratliff last season, and I still got 2nd round value for him. Obviously I'd rather not have given up the 3rd, but moving up practically half of round 1 doesn't come cheap. Maclin may be a 3rd WR now, but he also adds a dimension to the offense that was lacking last year in that he's a deep threat, and he instantly becomes the best on our offense at working with the ball in space and making plays.

I do accept that moving up half a round isn't cheap. I would also say two other things. Firstly, I feel you are under rating Marlin Jackson and over rating Keiwan Ratliff. I feel Ratliff played better than Tim Jennings, but he didn't play better than Jackson. Jackson played in a Colts Defense that was strugling in general. We had to play play nearly 8 or 9 men in the box on every play, just to be competent against the Run. As the Offense started to play better in the latter end of the season, when Ratliff was there, the other teams had to pass and as such the Team were able to keep the full Secondary playing the Pass. If we sort out the pressure up front and actually have a 4 Man Rush, instead of a 2 Man Rush, and have our Safeties playing Deep then Marlin Jackson is significantly better than Keiwan Ratliff.

I disagree with the last sentence in that summation. Ryan Lilja provides an instant upgrade to the OL in returning. I don't think Charlie Johnson is out of position at RT, I know he had that bad run at LT in 2007, but at RT he has seen some success. I think Toudouze might actually be a better backup to Ugoh, but for some reason the team has never really given him a chance.

They restructured Lilja's contract so that they basically don't have to pay him if he is PUP'd or IR'd again, meaning they aren't confident on his rehad. I feel Toudouze is a donkey, if we are honest. I think we need to invest a bit more in our Offensive Tackle depth, keep Johnson as a backup for the interior line and the O-Line will perform much better.

Freeney is an every down RE, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

When I mentioned that we lost our every down RE, in Josh Thomas, I was speaking about backups. I did mention that in Freeney, Mathis and Brock that we had our three starters.

I could see Brock still starting, but I'd prefer Mathis starting.

On Run Downs, Brock starts. On Pass Downs, Mathis starts. If we get better DT they should still keep it that way. Robert Mathis had his best Season ever, while Brock had his best Season since 2005. That arrangement worked. It should stay. Getting real DT will make it a helluva lot better.

I'm not a big believer in Moala, so Marks became imperative to me after Gilbert came off the board at 47. Could he have lasted to 61? Possible, but it wasn't worth the risk to me. I'm also a bit higher on Myron Pryor than most, that said, the last compensatory pick in round 4 is pretty much a 5th round pick anyway. Watching Pryor last year, he has the quickness and agility to make plays, but he also has a pretty big body. Getting a NT that can provide a pass rush would be HUGE for the Colts, so I feel it was worth it.

I'm not big on Moala either but if you give me the choice of Moala with a 2nd, or Marks with a 2nd and 4th, then I go Moala all the time. Marks isn't worth a 2nd and a 4th. Also, I hate, loathe and despise Jarron Gilbert. Alright, I maybe am overstating it, but we need a 3-Technique, not a 5-Technique. Our best DT in the last couple of years have been real DT, while these DE/DT tweeners have played better as Run Down DE than Under Tackles.

Also, even a 5th Rounder (it does raise the phylisophical question though. Is the last pick in the 4th Round basically a 5th Round Pick, or is the first pick in the 5th Rounder basically a 4th Round Pick?) would be too much for Myron Pryor. There are better NT than him. He isn't that much of an improvment over what we have so given that much for him would be a poor move.

I see Mitchell as a current insurance policy for Bob Sanders and a potential future replacement for Bethea. I'm not really sold on Bullitt, he seems like a good backup, but not a starter to me, and Silva is a special teams player to me.

I do like what I see in Mitchell. I do believe that Melvin Bullitt is a very good player, who came on leaps and bounds last year, but I still feel its a reach for Mitchell. Maybe I just grade players differently, but I could really see Mitchell not getting drafted. Picking him up as an Undrafted Free Agent would be a good move, or possibly spending a 7th on him, but not a 5th.

You're extremely overvaluing Keyunta Dawson and Mike Hart in this assessment, and to me, losing a starting CB who was outplayed by a street free agent and a 3rd round pick is worth getting a talent like Maclin.

Firstly, you basically, given that you cut Jeff Dugan, traded Keyunta Dawson to move up 3 places in the 7th Round. I would definately value Dawson as being better than 3 places in the 7th Round. I think the jury is still out on Mike Hart but I think he has the potential to be a brilliant player. I also don't feel that Jackson was outplayed by Keiwan Ratliff.

Geo
04-18-2009, 07:13 PM
I would just like to add, I would love it if the Colts drafted RB Glenn Coffee. But I don't think they will, he doesn't seem their type unfortunately. :(

chad72
04-19-2009, 02:09 PM
On day 1, as long as the run O or run D is addressed, I will be fine.

I am expecting our day 1 picks to be two of : OT, RB, DT, LB

I think a player of great value can be obtained with one of these 4 positions at both our first round and second round picks, IMO.

Now, with Dom gone, I am guessing Moreno, Donald Brown or Rashad Jennings on day 1, of course it is a guess, as good as anyone else's. Donald Browns fits our offense like a glove, IMO, the pass catching, blocking, one cut RB. Plus, most of his runs seem to be outside the tackles, which I have wanted our RBs to do more often. 6 more days to go, we will see.

I really am not high on Beanie Wells though. I know BP's Big Ten fetish but I am not sold on Beanie Wells, is anyone else?

I personally will not be upset even if BP picks 2 DTs on day 2 in rounds 3-6 as long as he does not wait to go the UDFA route, that will really upset me. I am liking Terrance Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill, Lonnie Harvey all for playing NT more and more as I read about them. They should be all there on day 2.

Dam8610
04-19-2009, 04:09 PM
All I am saying about the Edge is that he may play better than a 6th Round Pick in 2009, and possibly even 2010, but in 2011, 2012, 2013, and so on? We build through the Draft, we always have under Polian and it has worked. Brining a win now player might make things better in 2009, but not in future years. We're the Colts, not the Jets, we draft for the future, not just the present. A Sixth Round Pick is worth more than the Edge.

I understand the Colts have a fairly good recent 6th round track record with Cato June and Antoine Bethea, but the average 6th round draft pick is not going to contribute as much to the Colts as Edgerrin James would.

I also don't rate Kory Sheets all that well and I do rate Mike Hart, but like you, I am worried about the fact that he tore his cruciates. But he isn't a Speed Running Back. He is more of a between the tackles runner. We didn't have that last year and our Running Game suffered because of it. Kory Sheets won't be that good between the Tackles in the NFL.

It's obvious you don't consider Addai a "between the tackles" runner, so I take it Kenton Keith must have been since the Colts had a far superior run game in 2007 with Addai/Keith than they did in 2008 with Addai/Rhodes/Hart/Simpson/Ball, right? The dropoff in the run game couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that the Colts were breaking in 2 new OGs, one an injury replacement, and another who missed training camp and the first 4 games of the season, could it? The OL was the problem with the run game last year, and it's a problem that "running style" would not and will not fix. Sheets's skillset and size better fit the Colts IMO.

I do accept that moving up half a round isn't cheap. I would also say two other things. Firstly, I feel you are under rating Marlin Jackson and over rating Keiwan Ratliff. I feel Ratliff played better than Tim Jennings, but he didn't play better than Jackson. Jackson played in a Colts Defense that was strugling in general. We had to play play nearly 8 or 9 men in the box on every play, just to be competent against the Run. As the Offense started to play better in the latter end of the season, when Ratliff was there, the other teams had to pass and as such the Team were able to keep the full Secondary playing the Pass. If we sort out the pressure up front and actually have a 4 Man Rush, instead of a 2 Man Rush, and have our Safeties playing Deep then Marlin Jackson is significantly better than Keiwan Ratliff.

The point was the drop off in play between Marlin Jackson and Keiwan Ratliff would not be nearly as significant as the improvement to the offense by replacing Pierre Garcon with Jeremy Maclin.

They restructured Lilja's contract so that they basically don't have to pay him if he is PUP'd or IR'd again, meaning they aren't confident on his rehad. I feel Toudouze is a donkey, if we are honest. I think we need to invest a bit more in our Offensive Tackle depth, keep Johnson as a backup for the interior line and the O-Line will perform much better.

Johnson played his best football at RT, if he belongs anywhere, it's there. Toudouze isn't bad for a backup LT, in the one chance he's ever gotten, he nullified Shawne Merriman for a half. I wouldn't mind drafting a replacement for Diem, but I addressed more pressing needs.

When I mentioned that we lost our every down RE, in Josh Thomas, I was speaking about backups. I did mention that in Freeney, Mathis and Brock that we had our three starters.

Since we're being honest, Thomas was a JAG, I didn't think it necessary to replace a JAG.

On Run Downs, Brock starts. On Pass Downs, Mathis starts. If we get better DT they should still keep it that way. Robert Mathis had his best Season ever, while Brock had his best Season since 2005. That arrangement worked. It should stay. Getting real DT will make it a helluva lot better.

Maybe, but I think Mathis could still be as productive starting with a legitimate DT next to him. This would also free up Brock to play rotational UT strictly, which IMO is his best role.

I'm not big on Moala either but if you give me the choice of Moala with a 2nd, or Marks with a 2nd and 4th, then I go Moala all the time. Marks isn't worth a 2nd and a 4th. Also, I hate, loathe and despise Jarron Gilbert. Alright, I maybe am overstating it, but we need a 3-Technique, not a 5-Technique. Our best DT in the last couple of years have been real DT, while these DE/DT tweeners have played better as Run Down DE than Under Tackles.

You're much higher on Moala than I am, because given those two choices, I take Marks every time. As for Gilbert, yes, he may be 6'5", but the 6'6" Marcus Stroud hasn't had many problems playing the 3-tech, and Gilbert has room to add to his frame. If he puts 15-20 pounds on, he's got Moala's size with a better motor, more athleticism, and more production, even if it is on a lesser level.

Also, even a 5th Rounder (it does raise the phylisophical question though. Is the last pick in the 4th Round basically a 5th Round Pick, or is the first pick in the 5th Rounder basically a 4th Round Pick?) would be too much for Myron Pryor. There are better NT than him. He isn't that much of an improvment over what we have so given that much for him would be a poor move.

Obviously this is another case of differing player valuation. Watching Myron Pryor, I could easily see him as late 4th/early 5th value.

As for the philosophical question, it depends on which side you're arguing. :D

I do like what I see in Mitchell. I do believe that Melvin Bullitt is a very good player, who came on leaps and bounds last year, but I still feel its a reach for Mitchell. Maybe I just grade players differently, but I could really see Mitchell not getting drafted. Picking him up as an Undrafted Free Agent would be a good move, or possibly spending a 7th on him, but not a 5th.

I think we may value draft picks differently.

Firstly, you basically, given that you cut Jeff Dugan, traded Keyunta Dawson to move up 3 places in the 7th Round. I would definately value Dawson as being better than 3 places in the 7th Round. I think the jury is still out on Mike Hart but I think he has the potential to be a brilliant player. I also don't feel that Jackson was outplayed by Keiwan Ratliff.

As a DE, I'd value Dawson higher than that as well, not as a DT though, and I doubt the Colts will move Dawson from that spot, so I decided to cut ties.

Geo
04-21-2009, 09:24 AM
I bookmarked the following sites in the last week or so, thought maybe some of you guys might be interested:

SI 09 Draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/breakdowns/by_position/DT.html)
Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/super99) (they are VERY quirky)
BBI - scouts saying (http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=333250)
AzCards 09 Draft (http://www.azcardinal.com/09DSumm.htm) (it's okay)

chad72
04-21-2009, 12:22 PM
I guess we are all hung up with pattern matching, how BP drafted in the past and trying to guess the current picks based on the past.

One common denominator in Buffalo, Carolina, and Indianapolis is that BP drafts for the system. The kind of NTs that they have worked out are not every down NTs (like Ron Brace etc.). So, it makes you wonder if this draft is more about setting a new pattern for years to come with Caldwell and Coyer having their stamp conveyed via BP who makes the final decision.

If we are going with bigger DTs than the traditional big DT for a Tampa 2 and going with pass rushing OLBs, that will more mirror the "hybrid Tampa-2" styles that Coyer coached in Denver years ago. This tweaking is something that Leslie Frazier plays in Minnesota where he employs 2-technique DT style with one Williams and a 3-technique DT style with another.

So, you could see more corners for man coverage (Vontae Davis, if he falls to us), pass rushing OLBs (Larry English anyone??? BP has been to several of his games during the season), and maybe 2-technique NTs (Ron Brace???).

Not every one of the above ideas may be implemented but I am just throwing the possibility out there. If Larry Coyer does blitz more than Ron Meeks, he will depend on the Philip Wheeler and the Larry English kind of LB personnel for the blitzing and expect some of his DBs to hold the fort man-to-man.

Does anyone else sense this possibility?

killxswitch
04-22-2009, 08:41 AM
I guess we are all hung up with pattern matching, how BP drafted in the past and trying to guess the current picks based on the past.

One common denominator in Buffalo, Carolina, and Indianapolis is that BP drafts for the system. The kind of NTs that they have worked out are not every down NTs (like Ron Brace etc.). So, it makes you wonder if this draft is more about setting a new pattern for years to come with Caldwell and Coyer having their stamp conveyed via BP who makes the final decision.

If we are going with bigger DTs than the traditional big DT for a Tampa 2 and going with pass rushing OLBs, that will more mirror the "hybrid Tampa-2" styles that Coyer coached in Denver years ago. This tweaking is something that Leslie Frazier plays in Minnesota where he employs 2-technique DT style with one Williams and a 3-technique DT style with another.

So, you could see more corners for man coverage (Vontae Davis, if he falls to us), pass rushing OLBs (Larry English anyone??? BP has been to several of his games during the season), and maybe 2-technique NTs (Ron Brace???).

Not every one of the above ideas may be implemented but I am just throwing the possibility out there. If Larry Coyer does blitz more than Ron Meeks, he will depend on the Philip Wheeler and the Larry English kind of LB personnel for the blitzing and expect some of his DBs to hold the fort man-to-man.

Does anyone else sense this possibility?

I think at the very least you have to expect that the LBs will blitz more. Coyer did that in the past, pretty effectively. The Colts have done it sparingly in the past, it was just hard to notice because none of our LBs have done it well. Especially Brackett. Couple that with their plans to start Wheeler and its a logical assumption. Wheeler was known first and foremost as a blitz specialist at GA Tech.

As for the DT position I would like us to have bigger, better players but I will believe it when I see it. Lots of people quote Caldwell as saying he wants to get bigger on the DL but I am not so sure he actually said that. I think John Clayton said that was what Caldwell wanted to do, but I never heard Caldwell himself say it.

I don't know about the DBs playing more man. Maybe. I think Hayden and Jennings are both capable of man, not sure about Jackson. The draft may give us a better idea of what a corner will be in the new-era Colts D. My guess is that we'll still play zone for the most part with a bit more aggressiveness.

Geo
04-22-2009, 12:31 PM
ESPN bloggers do a collective mock draft, AFC South blogger drafts Hakeem Nicks to the Colts. (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-8-684/Bloggers--mock-draft--Stafford-to-Mack.html)

Kuharsky has been hard for Nicks to the Colts this whole offseason.

killxswitch
04-22-2009, 01:52 PM
If we have to take a WR in the first I'd want him. But I don't want a WR in the first. I can't imagine there won't be better options to better fit the need/BPA intersection.

chad72
04-22-2009, 01:57 PM
Here you go, Geo and others, a final stab at a mock.:)

Round 1, trade down to pick No.6 in second round (pick No.38) and get extra 2nd & 4th from Bengals

Round 2: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State (he will be good value at this point)

Round 2: Alex Magee, DT, Purdue (yes, this reach will be worth it as Magee is versatile to be moved around the D-line with enough size and speed)

Round 3: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

Note: You could switch round 2 & 3 picks if that makes more sense

Round 4 early pick from trading down: Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois

Round 4: Roy Miller, DT, Texas

Round 4 comp pick: Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

Round 5: Mitch King, DE/DT, Iowa or Henry Melton, DE, Texas (a lot of people do not know he has had a visit with the Colts)

Note: If Mitch King somehow falls to this No.5 pick spot, I will take that guy, hands down as a great value, Henry Melton is my alternate

Round 6: Marcus Thigpen, RB, Indiana

Round 7: Thomas Morstead, P, Southern Methodist

I think I can safely say I addressed WR, LB, DT, OT, CB, DE depth and RB/special teams.

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killxswitch
04-22-2009, 02:08 PM
I will make a final mock sometime this week. I want to get some thoughts on Clinton McDonald first. Anyone seen him play? I somehow completely missed him during the scouting season.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/Clinton-McDonald.php

Sounds like he was made to play the Colts' UT position.

Geo
04-25-2009, 12:25 AM
McDonald definitely looks like a good fit, as a stocky and quick one-gap penetrator.

Also two other guys I would keep a strong eye on are Brian Robiskie for the 1st round (total package wide receiver) and Cal Berkeley LB Zach Follett early on Day Two.

And just maybe a very good cornerback with a slow forty-time can fall to the Colts' 3rd round pick. Perhaps even DJ Moore, because he's so short (just under 5'9")? That would be a steal.

Draft is finally here, just hoping the Colts get some really good players to help the team.

Geo
04-25-2009, 12:41 AM
Rick Gosselin's final mock draft, Colts draft Ohio State RB Chris "Beanie" Wells with 27th overall pick. (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042509dnsponflmockdraft.3ed83e9.html)

Keep in mind that Gosselin nailed the Addai and Pollak picks in his final mocks, and has been spot on overall in the last 4 years in terms of matching the Colts' first pick with where they are located in his Top 100 players. Although in this case, Wells is #19 in his Top 100 (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042409dnsponfltop100.7dd05b.html).

I would be happy with the Wells pick, because he's a great talent. But if the point of drafting him is his value, are you really going to see that value if he and Addai are sharing carries for the next two years? Honestly I'm thinking no.

But the value, in terms of him as a prospect, is definitely there.

redviper311
04-25-2009, 02:35 AM
With less than 24 hours away from 2009 NFL Draft and doing hours of homework and watching film I thought I would post my Mock Colt’s Draft.

Based on Bill Polian’s draft history he tends to draft best player available that fit the system. So based on that here is my Mock Draft:

With the 27th pick in the 1st round the Indianapolis Colts select:

Peria Jerry (6’1”/299lbs), DT, Ole Miss - or -
should Peria Jerry be off the board by the time the Colt’s select I think the go WR
Brian Robiskie (6’2”/209lbs), WR, Ohio State

RD2 #61

Andre Brown (6’0”/224lbs), RB, NC State - or -
should Jerry be gone in round one I look for them to draft a DT in the round
Sen’Derrick Marks (6’2”/306lbs), DT, Auburn

RD3 #92

Jasper Brinkley (6’1”/252lbs), MLB, SC - or -
should we not draft a WR in the first two rounds look to go WR
Austin Collie (6’0”/200lbs), WR, B.Y.U

RD4 #127

Keenan Lewis, (6’0”/208lbs), CB, Oregon State - or -
if we don’t pick up a RB in rounds two or three and with Dom Rhodes now a Bill and Mike Hart’s knee look to go RB
Kory Sheets, (5’11”/208lbs), RB, Purdue

RD4 #136

Clinton McDonald, (6’3”/285lbs), DT, Memphis
perfect one-gap DT

RD5 #165

Otis Wiley, (6’1”/213lbs), SS, MSU
Bob Sanders never plays a full season, need to get depth at the SS poisiton

RD6 #201

Chase Patton, (6’5”/222lbs), QB, Mizzu
although a back up all four years to Chase Daniels, you need to look no further than what Matt Cassel provided the Pats when Brady went own. Not to mention we need to begin grooming a QB behind Manning not named Sorgi.

RD 7 #236

Micheal Ray Garvin, CB/PR/KR, FSU -or-
with the departure of Ratliff and P Smith I feel the can go in two directions here
Britton Colquitt, (6’2”/205lbs), P, Tennessee

chad72
04-26-2009, 08:47 PM
Now, with Dom gone, I am guessing Moreno, Donald Brown or Rashad Jennings on day 1, of course it is a guess, as good as anyone else's. Donald Browns fits our offense like a glove, IMO, the pass catching, blocking, one cut RB. Plus, most of his runs seem to be outside the tackles, which I have wanted our RBs to do more often. 6 more days to go, we will see.

I really am not high on Beanie Wells though. I know BP's Big Ten fetish but I am not sold on Beanie Wells, is anyone else?

Hey Geo and others, I told my darkhorse pick for the first round was RB.;)

Geo
04-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Chad, you are the man. I bow to your wise knowledge. :D

I wouldn't have minded Rashad Jennings in the 7th round either, although I really like this Jaimie Thomas. Too bad Jennings went to the Jags.

chad72
04-26-2009, 08:53 PM
Chad, you are the man. I bow to your wise knowledge. :D

I wouldn't have minded Rashad Jennings in the 7th round either, although I really like this Jaimie Thomas. Too bad Jennings went to the Jags.

Why did he drop so much? I could not believe my eyes when I saw Rashad Jennings stock value sinking like the Titanic. Any reasons?

Now, we face two bruisers in MJD & Jennings twice a year. Oh well, at least we drafted 2 UTs in Moala and Taylor and can concentrate on the UDFA route for the NTs.

Any preferences??

I like the Lonnie Harvey guy from Morgan State for NT and Zach Follett of Cal. for the OLB position. We will see how it goes.

Geo
04-26-2009, 09:01 PM
I think the Lions took Follett in the 7th round, right before the Colts took Thomas. That's cool, maybe they sign one of the other two Cal linebackers in UDFA.

chad72
04-26-2009, 09:03 PM
I think the Lions took Follett in the 7th round, right before the Colts took Thomas. That's cool, maybe they sign one of the other two Cal linebackers in UDFA.

If I am right, Lonnie Harvey and Mitch King are on the Colts radar. Ron Meeks with the Panthers is targetting Lonnie Harvey as well and is our biggest competition. Did you see how the Panthers jumped on Corvey Irvin, a great fit for the 4-3 UT in the 3rd round, he was someone the Colts had scouted and had an eye on for a while?


If we can convince Lonnie Harvey that he will get more playing time on the Colts due to shortage of NTs and throw him some $$$$, I feel we will have our 2nd NT for the rotation behind Antonio Johnson.

With Mitch King, if the least he can do is replace Raheem Brock and his contract in 1 year, that is a bargain as an UDFA, IMO.

Geo
04-26-2009, 09:07 PM
I think that's why the Colts traded up for Moala. Not only were they worried one of the 3-4 teams in Miami, Baltimore, and New England would snatch him up because of his great size, but the Panthers were probably going to draft him with their 2nd round pick at #59.

I like Irvin, but the 3rd round feels like a reach. But that shows that Carolina wanted a DT.

chad72
04-27-2009, 11:34 AM
Draft quotes from players drafted, Polian and Caldwell, good read.

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=7a2ab5c3-053d-43f2-b2ce-c2cb32352567

MaxV
04-27-2009, 12:28 PM
Just the opportunity to come in and learn behind a couple of great quarterbacks (Peyton Manning and Jim Sorgi).

When The Sorginator speaks, people listen.

killxswitch
04-27-2009, 01:10 PM
If I am right, Lonnie Harvey and Mitch King are on the Colts radar. Ron Meeks with the Panthers is targetting Lonnie Harvey as well and is our biggest competition. Did you see how the Panthers jumped on Corvey Irvin, a great fit for the 4-3 UT in the 3rd round, he was someone the Colts had scouted and had an eye on for a while?


If we can convince Lonnie Harvey that he will get more playing time on the Colts due to shortage of NTs and throw him some $$$$, I feel we will have our 2nd NT for the rotation behind Antonio Johnson.

With Mitch King, if the least he can do is replace Raheem Brock and his contract in 1 year, that is a bargain as an UDFA, IMO.

Unfortunately Harvey is going to Carolina and King is headed to Tennessee (dammit!).

But at least we got Pat Kuntz in FA. Yes that is sarcasm.