BeerBarons Wildly Early 2009 Mock Draft

[BeerBaron]

I've said quite often around here that I'm pretty piss poor at evaluating players (in terms of pro potential) before the college season, but i took a stab at one anyway out of boredom while at work.

I made up the order myself and if anyone wants to know why i have their team picking so high, they are free to ask.

Also, since I'm not 100% on how good certain players are or how well theyll fit into schemes, I drafted mostly based off of positions of need. If you like a different guy but at the same position, feel free to mention it.

Don't be to harsh all!

1.) Atlanta - DT Fili Moala, USC
-Who are their current defensive tackles? No idea...Babineux? Is he even still around? They were really thinking about Dorsey this year but Ryan was probably the smarter pick since DTs are easier to find than starting QBs. I gave them #1 overall since they will probably have some shoddy QB play with a rookie next year and even Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie....

2.) Kansas City - QB Matt Stafford, Georgia
- They had a great draft but they'll still be doing some rebuilding in my opinion. Is Croyle the answer? Not if they're picking this high I don't believe and, now that I no longer have Stafford mixed up with Sean Glennon, he seems like the best QB prospect for next year.

3.) Miami - CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio St.
- After upgrading the trenches this year, they branch out into the skill positions next year. He looks like the best corner of the class right now and will be an instant improvement over the nobodies they have now.

4.) San Francisco - WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
- If they're this high, they may need a new QB but I don't know if anyone else really elite will step up after Stafford. Tebow maybe, but for lack of any QBs, they nab a studly WR in Crabtree for whoever is at QB for them to throw to.

5.) Baltimore - OT Michael Oher, Ole Miss
- Is Ogden gone now? If not, he's likely gone by next year and they grab another franchise LT to protect young Flacco's blindside.

6.) Detroit - DE George Selvie, USF
- Improvements to their defense continue as they add maybe the best pass rusher eligible to enter next year.

7.) Oakland - OT Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma
- One could make the case for DL help here but I don't think they hold up too well next year with garbage at OT. Loadholt is a massive, freakish player that may catch Al Davis' eye even if he is a lineman. Can't go wrong with a big body to protect Russell and open holes for McFadden. They improve from last year but not so much to be .500 as some say.

8.) Philly - OT Alex Boone, Ohio St.
- Could they get a great #1 receiver here? Yes. But Reid just refuses to...so instead they grab an OT to help phase out the old geezers Thomas and Runyan. Maybe play LT while Justice moves in at RT.

9.) Philly (from Car) - CB Victor Harris, Virginia Tech
- Could they get a great #1 receiver here? Yes. But Reid just refuses to...so instead they grab a CB to help with the eventual loss of Lito Sheppard. He and Samuel could make a nice pair and allow Sheldon Brown to move to FS to phase out the aging Brian Dawkins down the road.

10.) Arizona - HB Beanie Wells, Ohio St.
- They take the 3rd OSU player in the top 10 and get a thundering running in Wells. They get maybe the best RB of the class and one that can phase out Edge. I think they might actually have a better year than last year but pick higher if that makes any sense.

11.) Cincy - S Taylor Mays, USC
- They get a safety with great size and great speed to really boost their still lousy defense. A case could probably be made for a WR too if things end badly with CJ, TJ, or both...

12.) Washington - MLB Rey Maualaga, USC
- I think they might take a step back next year as they get accustomed to their new coach and his new system but they get a monster for the middle of their defense in return. Sure <insert some random late round pick MLB> is being groomed to take over for London Fletcher, but is he better than Maualaga? I bet not...

13.) NY Jets - HB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
- Turns out they really, badly wanted McFadden this year but that didn't pan out. So next year, they snag Moreno to give them their best runner since Curtis Martin. Maybe he pairs with Thomas Jones or maybe he straight up replaces him.

14.) St. Louis - MLB James Laurenitis, Ohio St.
- If they're offense stays healthy, they could be a dangerous team next year. But their defense still seems weak and the addition of a monster MLB will surely help out a lot. He, Chris Long and Carriker could anchor that D for a decade together.

15.) Houston - S Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech
- A case could be made for a bunch of positions really but having a beast of a safety will do this team wonders. Imagine Mario Williams going after the QB with Chancellor patrolling the secondary....scary.

16.) Chicago - WR Darius Heyward-Bey
- Need a QB? They do...but at this point, I don't know who all will be around that is worthwhile. Tebow maybe...but if they're picking around here, one of the guys they have must have played decently. So instead, they boost their WR corps with a good one that some seem to like even more than Crabtree.

17.) Tennessee - WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
- Finally a good target for Vince Young! Maclin seems like a great playmaker and could help out all over the field. He and Chris Johnson on the same field would make for so much playmaking abilities that opposing defenses will have no idea wtf to do.

18.) Tampa Bay - WR Percy Harvin, Florida
- Much like Maclin, Harvin is a big time playmaker who the Bucs really could use. He can take over for Joey Galloway long term after missing out on some of the better receivers this year.

19.) Denver - OLB Brian Cushing, USC
- I don't see them getting worse than they were last year. Cutler should play great again and someone will rush for 1000 yards in that system. That said, a LB to compliment DJ Williams could really help out their defense in a number of ways.

20.) Buffalo - TE Chase Coffman, Missouri
- A team I think should improve a lot next year with the addition of Hardy to the offense and a healthy Trent Edwards at QB all year. The only Bills TE I could name was Kevin Everett and that was for reasons other than being a quality pass catcher sadly, so they grab a good one with playmaking ability in Coffman.

21.) Green Bay - S Myron Rolle, Florida St.
- I see them taking at least one step back under Aaron Rodgers who is basically a rookie in terms of actual playing experience, but their division and conference are fairly weak so they make the playoffs. Their corners, while old, still look to hold up well but I bet they would like a more studly S than the guys they trot out and Rolle seems pretty well like around here.

22.) NY Giants - OT Andre Smith, Alabama
- Eli still needs to show that he can play consistantly during the regular season before I think this team has a serious shot at returning to a SB. That said, they seem to have filled a good number of needs this previous draft and they take an OT here to provide depth and maybe take over for McKenzie long term or let Diehl move back inside. At least no one can give them Dan Conner anymore, lol.

23.) Seattle - OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma
- I could see the Rams passing them for that division and that would fulfill the "a team who picks in the top 5 will make the playoffs" rule, but for now Seattle holds on. They are still reeling from losing Steve Hutchinson and Mike Wahle isn't a long term answer but Robinson may be, could be the Branden Albert of this class.

24.) Minnesota - OL Herman Johnson, LSU
- The guy is massive and they could possibly stand to upgrade a few positions on that o-line. Might be able to play G or OT and that will help if McKinnie faces any suspensions for his earlier crimes.

25.) Pittsburgh - OL Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin
- They have a very tough schedule but I think they still make the playoffs. After grabbing some skill positions steals in this most recent draft, they look to rebuild some of that o-line in this one.

26.) Cleveland - OLB Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
- Guy has some freakish attributes and could be a pass rush beast for their 34 defense and help to ease the blow of losing the retired Willie McGinist.

27.) Jacksonville - DT Al Woods, LSU
- A year after trading Marcus Stroud, they draft another huge DT to play next to the aging John Henderson and sure the middle of their defense up for years to come.

28.) Dallas - WR Brandon LaFell, LSU
- TO will be a year older and will be at the end of his contract and Patrick Crayton is best off as a #2 or #3 option so they get a young, skilled WR to move into the future with.

29.) San Diego - OT Max Unger, Oregon
- They are a team with few weaknesses or holes but depth at OT is a must. Could even become their new RT that they might have been after in this most recent draft.

30.) Indy - WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio St.
- Who would have though Marvin Harrison of all people would find himself in a legal predicament? Even if nothing comes of that, he's still fairly old and coming off of a knee injury. Robiskie would seem to fit well in what they look for in a WR and could join Anthony Gonzalez as the future of their receiving corps behind Reggie Wayne.

31.) New Orleans - LB Brandon Spikes, Florida
- I expect this team to turn things around next year. I have them losing in the Superbowl and that may be stretching it a little but I definitally don't see another top 10 pick for them. If they get their running back situation figured out, more help on defense is next in line and while they have Vilma, more help with the linebackers could be used. Word is that they would have been happy with Keith Rivers this year if they didn't trade up for Ellis so clearly they know they need some more LBs.

32.) New England - S William Moore, Missouri
- Yes they have Merriweather to break in yet but Rodney Harrison will be another year older and maybe out the door, so why not grab a potential stud at S in Moore? CB help could also probably be used...

Yeah, I probably forgot some people or made ill informed choices, but what of it? its Uber early in the draft process for next year and this was just something to do to kill some time at work. Enjoy it for what it is and let me know what you think in a positive, constructive way, lol.

BTW: No Miami players...does their streak end next year?

[LonghornsLegend]

Absolutely LOVE the Lafell pick, good fit, has size and projects to be a future #1 unlike Harvin, I would be thrilled with Lafell, great size and very smooth in running routes...Besides where we will be picking, thats about as good as we are going to ge with value on a WR.


On a side note, If Philly ends up with two top 10 picks I'll be pissed, you must have McNabb getting injured for them to be that bad.

[Turtlepower]

I like the pick, but obviously disagree with the placement. Anyway, I also think Max Unger is a better OT than Andre Smith, but it is all a matter of preference.

[Yatta!]

Fair assessment of the Packers. I would expect safety and OT to be our greatest needs heading into next season, so a safety is a nice choice.

Still I'm currently on a personal crusade against Rolle, I think he is severly overrated. He's got no coverage skills and just seems to Roy Williams-esque to me.

[neko4]

Fair assessment of the Packers. I would expect safety and OT to be our greatest needs heading into next season, so a safety is a nice choice.

Still I'm currently on a personal crusade against Rolle, I think he is severly overrated. He's got no coverage skills and just seems to Roy Williams-esque to me.
I love Rolle, but he needs to show some improvement this year

[BeerBaron]

Absolutely LOVE the Lafell pick, good fit, has size and projects to be a future #1 unlike Harvin, I would be thrilled with Lafell, great size and very smooth in running routes...Besides where we will be picking, thats about as good as we are going to ge with value on a WR.


On a side note, If Philly ends up with two top 10 picks I'll be pissed, you must have McNabb getting injured for them to be that bad.

glad you like the cowboys pick. he seems like he'd be a good fit in their corps to me too

I like the pick, but obviously disagree with the placement. Anyway, I also think Max Unger is a better OT than Andre Smith, but it is all a matter of preference.

aye, preference and me not knowing all that much just yet. At least i put them in the playoffs though right? lol. its all up to Eli imo, remember, it was just before the postseason this year that people were wondering if he was the answer....and even rex grossman can string a few quality games together while remaining rather lousy overall......too bad for me that rex's never came during the playoffs

Fair assessment of the Packers. I would expect safety and OT to be our greatest needs heading into next season, so a safety is a nice choice.

Still I'm currently on a personal crusade against Rolle, I think he is severly overrated. He's got no coverage skills and just seems to Roy Williams-esque to me.

understandable. just throwing a name that people like into the position of need

[fenikz]

Better year than 8-8 yet have a top 10 pick? I don't even think that is physically possible

Picks is good though

[BeerBaron]

Better year than 8-8 yet have a top 10 pick? I don't even think that is physically possible

Picks is good though

think of it like....they play better and start to realize their potential and things like that but their record doesn't reflect it yet. One of those teams you look at for the next year and say "theyre going to be better than their draft slot"

kind of like what i think the saints were this year.

if kurt warner does well for them, maybe they do pick higher and what not, but im kind of looking at it like leinart plays and does OK but really looks better for the future, ya know?

[LonghornsLegend]

Fair assessment of the Packers. I would expect safety and OT to be our greatest needs heading into next season, so a safety is a nice choice.

Still I'm currently on a personal crusade against Rolle, I think he is severly overrated. He's got no coverage skills and just seems to Roy Williams-esque to me.

Roy Williams is a very good comparison to him, but the thing is, you might end up with the Roy Williams in the beginning of his career, who if we can remember that far back was a playmaker next to Darren Woodson, is only as of recently that people might hate that comparison...Granted Rolle does need to improve and show he can cover, because his weight was pretty high last I heard, but a Roy Williams comparison could end up being a decent one depending on how you put it into perspective.

[princefielder28]

It would be unfair for New England to get William Moore...one of the top values of your mock

[BeerBaron]

It would be unfair for New England to get William Moore...one of the top values of your mock

would make a it a more new england-esque pick then wouldnt it? lol. they seem to either grab great values or reach for guys that they feel have high value...

btw, next year looks to be loaded with safeties after a so-so crop this year

[Yatta!]

Roy Williams is a very good comparison to him, but the thing is, you might end up with the Roy Williams in the beginning of his career, who if we can remember that far back was a playmaker next to Darren Woodson, is only as of recently that people might hate that comparison...Granted Rolle does need to improve and show he can cover, because his weight was pretty high last I heard, but a Roy Williams comparison could end up being a decent one depending on how you put it into perspective.

Yeah I can see that too, Rolle has loads of potential and if he puts it together this year then he's definitely a 1st round pick. Still I think he is overrated at the moment and people are too focused on his physical tools, I just don't think he deserves the hype yet. This is all just my personal opinion though, he could play lights out this year.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

If Ogden does retire. I think Other is a GREAT pick. then in the 2nd and 3rd rounds we should address Dline and CB. nice early draft though.

[BeerBaron]

If Ogden does retire. I think Other is a GREAT pick. then in the 2nd and 3rd rounds we should address Dline and CB. nice early draft though.

cool, thanks for the good feedback

[regoob2]

I would love DHB if there is no QB worth the pick.

[BeerBaron]

I would love DHB if there is no QB worth the pick.

didn't think i could go wrong with DHB, lol. ought to be a nice target for whoever we do have throwing

[Crickett]

9.) Philly (from Car) - CB Victor Harris, Virginia Tech
- Could they get a great #1 receiver here? Yes. But Reid just refuses to...so instead they grab a CB to help with the eventual loss of Lito Sheppard. He and Samuel could make a nice pair and allow Sheldon Brown to move to FS to phase out the aging Brian Dawkins down the road.

The Eagles have three quality corners right now. Why would they draft another one just so they could move Sheldon Brown out of position?


13.) NY Jets - HB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
- Turns out they really, badly wanted McFadden this year but that didn't pan out. So next year, they snag Moreno to give them their best runner since Curtis Martin. Maybe he pairs with Thomas Jones or maybe he straight up replaces him.

I'd love to have a link to that. Anyway, I won't deny that RB is going to be a need for the Jets next year, but so will #1 WR who can replace the aging Laveranues Coles. And generally speaking, you can find running backs in the second and third rounds.

17.) Tennessee - WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
- Finally a good target for Vince Young! Maclin seems like a great playmaker and could help out all over the field. He and Chris Johnson on the same field would make for so much playmaking abilities that opposing defenses will have no idea wtf to do.

Call me crazy, but I think Tennessee not drafting a WR is about to replace Houston drafting an OL as the most obvious thing that doesn't happen.

[BeerBaron]

The Eagles have three quality corners right now. Why would they draft another one just so they could move Sheldon Brown out of position?

I'd love to have a link to that. Anyway, I won't deny that RB is going to be a need for the Jets next year, but so will #1 WR who can replace the aging Laveranues Coles. And generally speaking, you can find running backs in the second and third rounds.

Call me crazy, but I think Tennessee not drafting a WR is about to replace Houston drafting an OL as the most obvious thing that doesn't happen.

To the philly front, they were talking about it already anyway before Lito said he wasn't happy there. Apparently they think it would be a good move.

And the jets wanting McFadden i saw talked about a whole bunch in the draft forum post draft. I recall possibly even reading it something scott said at one point or another....maybe in his during draft reactions, not sure.

and tennessee...well, if that happens, thats a poor way to use up VY's career with him throwing to peanuts

[PACKmanN]

Oakland runs a ZBS, switch Loadholt with Andre Smith and its a good mock.


BTW, I would LOVE to have Rolle in Green Bay.

[OSUGiants17]

nice mock, like the pick.

[BeerBaron]

Oakland runs a ZBS, switch Loadholt with Andre Smith and its a good mock.


BTW, I would LOVE to have Rolle in Green Bay.

thats news to me, interesting

nice mock, like the pick.

thanks you

[d34ng3l021]

Is Moala really worth the number 1 pick?

[BeerBaron]

Is Moala really worth the number 1 pick?

who would you prefer? from what i read, he was the best player at what i thought was your biggest need

[d34ng3l021]

It was just a question. Alot of what happens next year really depends on how some of our guys do. Will Bake do well at OT? Will Jamaal Anderson improve at DE?

When you are at the top of the draft, you really can only look at DE, OT, and QB or another really good prospect. We have 3 first rounders from the past 2 years invested in those positions (Ryan, Baker, Anderson) and we might need to look elsewhere. DT is by far our biggest need, but you look at the number 1 spot and you need to make sure that the player is worth it.

If not, I wouldnt have a problem taking Michael Oher, moving Baker to LG, Blaylock to RG. I wouldnt even mind taking Michael Johnson, George Selvie, or whichever top DE to replace Abraham later.

[BeerBaron]

It was just a question. Alot of what happens next year really depends on how some of our guys do. Will Bake do well at OT? Will Jamaal Anderson improve at DE?

When you are at the top of the draft, you really can only look at DE, OT, and QB or another really good prospect. We have 3 first rounders from the past 2 years invested in those positions (Ryan, Baker, Anderson) and we might need to look elsewhere. DT is by far our biggest need, but you look at the number 1 spot and you need to make sure that the player is worth it.

If not, I wouldnt have a problem taking Michael Oher, moving Baker to LG, Blaylock to RG. I wouldnt even mind taking Michael Johnson, George Selvie, or whichever top DE to replace Abraham later.

Understandable. OT or DE would clearly be the most likely way to go out of those options, though i think if a DT was worthy of the pick he would almost have to be the way to go

[SaintsFanForLife]

Love the fact you have the Saints in the superbowl...

[BeerBaron]

Love the fact you have the Saints in the superbowl...

i look at the nfc and im just like.....wtf do i do with this?

i think the saints can turn it around, do some wonders, make some miracles.

[scar988]

at DT Atlanta has 2 solid UT's in Babineaux and Moorehead (Babineaux starts.) but no NT. and Moala isn't worth a pick that high. we need a NT but also another OT for our RT spot. give us Oher.

[BeerBaron]

at DT Atlanta has 2 solid UT's in Babineaux and Moorehead (Babineaux starts.) but no NT. and Moala isn't worth a pick that high. we need a NT but also another OT for our RT spot. give us Oher.

gonna take a RT 1 overall? really? id but moving baker inside or something, but ehh...idk. Oher if he's going to be the franchise LT

[thebow305]

Love the Phins pick!!

[scar988]

gonna take a RT 1 overall? really? id but moving baker inside or something, but ehh...idk. Oher if he's going to be the franchise LT

move Baker to RT. Oher plays LT. idk about you bt an OL of this doesn't look too bad. big and poweful, but also quick.

LT - Michael Oher - 6'6" 325
LG - Justin Blalock - 6'4" 329 (former OT)
C - Todd McClure - 6'1" 286
RG - Tyson Clabo - 6'6" 315 (played OT in college and started at RT in 2007 and played well)
RT - Sam Baker - 6'5" 310

[Caddy]

I never like to criticise the choice of players in mock drafts this early so I'll leave out my opinion on Percy Harvin (which is still good) and comment on the position instead; WR.

Wide Receiver is likely to be a position of need for the Buccaneers next year. Yeah we drafted Dexter Jackson in the 2nd round, but whether he can be more than a slot receiver is yet to be seen. Joey Galloway is a billion years old so we are going to need a number #1 target for the future and if Stovall and Clayton don't step up to the mark, somebody needs to be brought it. So all-in-all, good pick for the Bucs.

[Thunder&Lightning]

Nice job beerbaron.

[BeerBaron]

move Baker to RT. Oher plays LT. idk about you bt an OL of this doesn't look too bad. big and poweful, but also quick.

LT - Michael Oher - 6'6" 325
LG - Justin Blalock - 6'4" 329 (former OT)
C - Todd McClure - 6'1" 286
RG - Tyson Clabo - 6'6" 315 (played OT in college and started at RT in 2007 and played well)
RT - Sam Baker - 6'5" 310

yeah, it doesn't seem bad. i know a lot of teams like to have bigger, more powerful run blockers at RT and thats was baker's biggest weakness, but if its not every team, then its not bad for atlanta

I never like to criticise the choice of players in mock drafts this early so I'll leave out my opinion on Percy Harvin (which is still good) and comment on the position instead; WR.

Wide Receiver is likely to be a position of need for the Buccaneers next year. Yeah we drafted Dexter Jackson in the 2nd round, but whether he can be more than a slot receiver is yet to be seen. Joey Galloway is a billion years old so we are going to need a number #1 target for the future and if Stovall and Clayton don't step up to the mark, somebody needs to be brought it. So all-in-all, good pick for the Bucs.

yeah, jackson came to mind when thinking about who i would give them but even with him, galloway is old and the other guys aren't #1's like you said. Harvin could help out a lot all over the place so i think it would be a good pick.

Nice job beerbaron.

thanks

[SaintsFanForLife]

i look at the nfc and im just like.....wtf do i do with this?

i think the saints can turn it around, do some wonders, make some miracles.

I agree 100%, I just like that a non Saints fan thinks the same.

[BeerBaron]

I agree 100%, I just like that a non Saints fan thinks the same.

well, here was my thought process on it.

you have drew brees and i don't think he'll start as badly as he did last year. right there, having a good QB helps.

plus, reggie bush won't have to be "the" back anymore. he can be the slasher, move him around type guy that he's probably best at as a pro. plus, its his third year, a year receivers typically break out so if he's going to be great, he has this year yet to prove it in my opinion. hes got undeniable talent, so theres no way i call him a bust yet.....add into that a healthy deuce mcallister (or some other 'between the tackles' runner) and your run game should be fixed.

as for receivers, theres still colston and meachem should make more of an impact this year assuming hes actually learned the playbook....

and the defense, while stilll not great, is improved. vilma, ellis, porter, g ay...should be better.

i compare them a little to my bears. they're both teams that didn't really lose anything but fixed up some weaknesses, no way either does worse than last year i dont think...(the saints are the overall better team of the two though so thats why i have them higher and the bears just out of the playoffs in a weak division)

[Unbiased]

Didn't you say it was stupid to predict the draft order this early?

[LonghornsLegend]

If Vilma is 100%, Ellis is beastly at NT like we expect, and Porter can make some sort of starting conribution I think Super Bowl isn't out of the question...But whats the status of the running game? I would like to think Duece has to stay heathy for that to happen.

[LonghornsLegend]

Didn't you say it was stupid to predict the draft order this early?

I think its more stupid to argue over the draft order then it is to make one of your own.

[Unbiased]

I think its more stupid to argue over the draft order then it is to make one of your own.

I agree.........

[619]

Surprised to see Andre Smith so low. I'll take him over Loadholt right now especially considering we run the ZBS.

[d34ng3l021]

move Baker to RT. Oher plays LT. idk about you bt an OL of this doesn't look too bad. big and poweful, but also quick.

LT - Michael Oher - 6'6" 325
LG - Justin Blalock - 6'4" 329 (former OT)
C - Todd McClure - 6'1" 286
RG - Tyson Clabo - 6'6" 315 (played OT in college and started at RT in 2007 and played well)
RT - Sam Baker - 6'5" 310

Baker is a terrible RT. As much as I would like the retain the value for which we got him at, we would have to move him to LG or RG. He is a terrible fit for RT.

[BeerBaron]

Didn't you say it was stupid to predict the draft order this early?

i dont think i said anything like that....i just made one up anyway

If Vilma is 100%, Ellis is beastly at NT like we expect, and Porter can make some sort of starting conribution I think Super Bowl isn't out of the question...But whats the status of the running game? I would like to think Duece has to stay heathy for that to happen.

i think someone other than reggie is their main back. if not deuce then they sign alexander or go with that undrafted guy from illinois....his name escapes me atm....

but theyll find a capable enough inside runner to pair with bush

Surprised to see Andre Smith so low. I'll take him over Loadholt right now especially considering we run the ZBS.

didnt know oakland ran a ZBS when i made this. someone said it earlier so i know NOW....still seems odd to me that they'd run that the way Al Davis likes his players to be

Baker is a terrible RT. As much as I would like the retain the value for which we got him at, we would have to move him to LG or RG. He is a terrible fit for RT.

thats what i was thinking when i talked about it earlier. into guard maybe but his best fit is probably as a pass protecting LT....which is why i don't buy taking Oher because youd basically be taking a RT #1 overall in this situation unless you want to jumble the line up more and move baker out of his natural spot...

[scar988]

or it's to put Oher into his more natural spot and add some much needed talent ot the OL

[BeerBaron]

or it's to put Oher into his more natural spot and add some much needed talent ot the OL

again, yanno, the whole "i can't see paying a RT #1 pick money" thing.

[urinemonkey]

19.) Denver - OLB Brian Cushing, USC
- I don't see them getting worse than they were last year. Cutler should play great again and someone will rush for 1000 yards in that system. That said, a LB to compliment DJ Williams could really help out their defense in a number of ways.



Reasonable spot, that's around where I expect Denver to finish, but I don't like the pick. I think Boss will prove to be an adequate starter at SAM as long as he stays healthy. I'd prefer Myron Rolle. Denver has a bunch of 1-year rentals at safety along with Josh Barrett who was a 7th round pick. Even if Barrett pans out, we will still need another starter to go with him. Rolle could be that starter.

[BeerBaron]

Reasonable spot, that's around where I expect Denver to finish, but I don't like the pick. I think Boss will prove to be an adequate starter at SAM as long as he stays healthy. I'd prefer Myron Rolle. Denver has a bunch of 1-year rentals at safety along with Josh Barrett who was a 7th round pick. Even if Barrett pans out, we will still need another starter to go with him. Rolle could be that starter.

theyve been seemingly using rentals and castoffs at safety for years now. probably due for a change but it just keeps not happening...understandable though

[d34ng3l021]

again, yanno, the whole "i can't see paying a RT #1 pick money" thing.

If we take Oher, which is probably the most likely at this point, it would be to play LT, and nothing else. Baker would be moved. Doesnt matter if we traded up for him.

[BeerBaron]

If we take Oher, which is probably the most likely at this point, it would be to play LT, and nothing else. Baker would be moved. Doesnt matter if we traded up for him.

well scar was saying how Oher would be more natural at RT and whatnot. that was just my counter to him...

But hell, if you take an OT #1 overall and he ends up playing RT for you long term something had to have gone wrong...

[d34ng3l021]

Or if you take a OT 2nd overall and he ends up playing guard for you. He must suck then.

[BeerBaron]

Or if you take a OT 2nd overall and he ends up playing guard for you. He must suck then.

Gallery? who are you talking about there?

i was just saying that if you take a guy really high to be your franchise LT and...he's not your franchise LT...you've got a problem in some way.

...unless like, you have a left handed franchise QB and he plays RT, then maybe its not bad, lol

[d34ng3l021]

Yeah I was making a joke at Gallery.

[BeerBaron]

Yeah I was making a joke at Gallery.

ah, ok good. i was worried there was some HoF guard that was drafted at #2 supposed to be an OT that i didn't know about or something....relief

[eaglesfan_45]

Why are the Eagles so low?? :D

Anyways, I don't like those picks in the least for the Eagles.

Eagles won't trade Lito, things will be worked out.
Eagles needs will probably be S, OL, TE, WR (in that order)


Dawkins might retire and even if he doesn't Eagles still need a S of the future.
Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan are old and both of their contracts expire this off season. Shawn Andrews will likely move to LT but that would open a hole at G and Justice is on thin ice w/ the Eagles.
TE LJ Smith's contract expires and he is injury prone.
Eagles Wide Recievers are serviceable but the Eagles need a #1 WR. Eagles have a good #2 guy in Reggie Brown and two good slot recievers in Kevin Curtis and DeSean Jackson.

[BeerBaron]

Why are the Eagles so low?? :D

Anyways, I don't like those picks in the least for the Eagles.

Eagles won't trade Lito, things will be worked out.
Eagles needs will probably be S, OL, TE, WR (in that order)


Dawkins might retire and even if he doesn't Eagles still need a S of the future.
Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan are old and both of their contracts expire this off season. Shawn Andrews will likely move to LT but that would open a hole at G and Justice is on thin ice w/ the Eagles.
TE LJ Smith's contract expires and he is injury prone.
Eagles Wide Recievers are serviceable but the Eagles need a #1 WR. Eagles have a good #2 guy in Reggie Brown and two good slot recievers in Kevin Curtis and DeSean Jackson.


well, you say the eagles won't trade lito, but hes sure not happy about things there.... stranger things have happened.

and time and time again, they just straight up refuse to take a possible #1 WR in the first. why? dunno... reid must have something against the idea and id be willing to be that mcnabb isnt happy about that.....of course even he might be done in philly sooner as opposed to later, who knows?

and i did give you an OT with the 2nd pick.

and i don't think theres a TE worth that high.

so out of what you said, i solved the S problem by bringing in a rookie there who can let brown move to S to take over for dawkins. and since theres no TE and they don't take WR's, I gave them an OT.

[eaglesfan_45]

well, you say the eagles won't trade lito, but hes sure not happy about things there.... stranger things have happened.

and time and time again, they just straight up refuse to take a possible #1 WR in the first. why? dunno... reid must have something against the idea and id be willing to be that mcnabb isnt happy about that.....of course even he might be done in philly sooner as opposed to later, who knows?

and i did give you an OT with the 2nd pick.

and i don't think theres a TE worth that high.

so out of what you said, i solved the S problem by bringing in a rookie there who can let brown move to S to take over for dawkins. and since theres no TE and they don't take WR's, I gave them an OT.

Lito is a team player and he seems like he really wants to stay, he is just unhappy that he isn't getting more money. He will get a new contract.

Andy Reid seems to avoid grabbing a #1 WR b/c he thinks that the lines are more important. McNabb has the ability to win without a #1 WR. Andy Reid def. takes that for granted. McNabb is good without a #1 WR so imagine how good he could be with a good #1 reciever. However for us Eagles fans that is just a dream as long as Reid is the coach.

One of the reasons there are no TE worth the pick is because you have them picking so high :rolleyes:. There are 3 1st round caliber TE's in the draft (Coffman, Travis Beckum & Brandon Pettigrew).

As of now. Boone is not a top 20 pick IMO. He is coming off an injury and there are guys like Andre Smith who are much better still on the board in your mock.

Brown will not move to S he is an ideal NB and that is where he will stay. If the Eagles move him to safety he is nothing more than a stop-gap solution, the need will still exist.

You said Reid might be gone and that is a possibility. If he stays around and he is picking that high he would be in a win now situation or else he loses his job. W/ that pressure he might finally take a WR.

[Vikes99ej]

I like the Vikings pick. That man is large.

[BeerBaron]

I like the Vikings pick. That man is large.

very true. i think he fits the bill of what you'd call an "earth mover" pretty well, lol.

[PACKmanN]

IMO, Eagles take Harris before Bonne due to $$$ reasons.

[BeerBaron]

IMO, Eagles take Harris before Bonne due to $$$ reasons.

i was thinking about that and i wasn't sure if there was a precedent for something like that happening.....

i know teams have had two picks in a row before, hell my bears had 2 7ths back to back just this year and i know tehres others, but i don't recall any teams....ever....with back to back top 10 picks.

i would think that the agent for whoever goes 2nd would argue that they should each get the same deals or some such thing.....idk how it would work to be honest

[eaglesfan_45]

IMO, Eagles take Harris before Bonne due to $$$ reasons.

This offseason, eagles won't have a cap issue. There are 4 high paid players who have expiring contracts. (Dawkins, Tra Thomas, Runyan, LJ Smith)

[eaglesfan_45]

i was thinking about that and i wasn't sure if there was a precedent for something like that happening.....

i know teams have had two picks in a row before, hell my bears had 2 7ths back to back just this year and i know tehres others, but i don't recall any teams....ever....with back to back top 10 picks.

i would think that the agent for whoever goes 2nd would argue that they should each get the same deals or some such thing.....idk how it would work to be honest

Colts had back to back top 10 picks in the early 90's I believe. Both were busts.

[BeerBaron]

Colts had back to back top 10 picks in the early 90's I believe. Both were busts.

well, i was thinking more recent when the monetary investment is much, much larger.

i still don't think it would matter on the order of back to back picks though i dont think...

[ChiFan24]

Someone who's not lazy can look up the Chris Samuels/Lavar Arrington deals.

[Bucimal Island]

OT Andre Smith would be a better pick for the bucs. Our o-line is still horrible and we need that last LT position. Plus,I dont think Harvin is that much of an upgrade over our current WRs and I just dont think he is all of that.

[BeerBaron]

Someone who's not lazy can look up the Chris Samuels/Lavar Arrington deals.

is that the order they were in eh?

OT Andre Smith would be a better pick for the bucs. Our o-line is still horrible and we need that last LT position. Plus,I dont think Harvin is that much of an upgrade over our current WRs and I just dont think he is all of that.

i wouldn't look at it so much as an upgrade but as a replacement for galloway. he can't have much gas left in the tank and i don't see anyone on the roster who can be a true #1

[vidae]

I really like Stafford, so good pick.

I know it's still early and all, but maybe, just maybe, our offensive line will still need work. This is the year we find out if Croyle is for real, but I think the pick could just as easily be Oher.

Good pick though, especially if Croyle struggles!

[Yatta!]

is that the order they were in eh?

Arrington went 2nd overall and Samuels 3rd, I assume it was in that order for financial reasons.

[BeerBaron]

I really like Stafford, so good pick.

I know it's still early and all, but maybe, just maybe, our offensive line will still need work. This is the year we find out if Croyle is for real, but I think the pick could just as easily be Oher.

Good pick though, especially if Croyle struggles!

awesome, thanks for the comments

Arrington went 2nd overall and Samuels 3rd, I assume it was in that order for financial reasons.

really...wow. 2nd and 3rd overall to the same team, how did i forget that?

[nemesis3394]

im a big fan of johnson good pick

[BeerBaron]

im a big fan of johnson good pick

cool, glad you liked it. he could probably help out in a number of ways on your line

[VoteLynnSwan]

Colts had back to back top 10 picks in the early 90's I believe. Both were busts.

In 1992 the Colts had the first pick of the first round, and the second pick of the first round.

They drafted

1. Steve Emtman DE Washington
2. Quentin Coryatt ILB Texas A&M

[BeerBaron]

In 1992 the Colts had the first pick of the first round, and the second pick of the first round.

They drafted

1. Steve Emtman DE Washington
2. Quentin Coryatt ILB Texas A&M

since i haven't really heard of either, its probably safe to assume that they were really busts then eh? (or at elast they didn't live up to the potential a #1 and #2 pick should....)

how did they get those picks? anyone know? im curious now

[Hwoarang]

Absolutely LOVE the Lafell pick, good fit, has size and projects to be a future #1 unlike Harvin, I would be thrilled with Lafell, great size and very smooth in running routes...Besides where we will be picking, thats about as good as we are going to ge with value on a WR.


On a side note, If Philly ends up with two top 10 picks I'll be pissed, you must have McNabb getting injured for them to be that bad.Byrd>>>LaFell.

Both good picks but I don't see LaFell leaving early.

I like the Saints pick.

[BeerBaron]

Byrd>>>LaFell.

Both good picks but I don't see LaFell leaving early.

I like the Saints pick.

the site i was getting info from didn't even have byrd listed oddly enough...idk, like i said, im a bad projector of pro talent

but im glad you liked the saints pick

[Hwoarang]

the site i was getting info from didn't even have byrd listed oddly enough...idk, like i said, im a bad projector of pro talent

but im glad you liked the saints pickAs of right now on a potential standpoint Byrd has the higher ceiling. He's faster, has better route running better hands, comes up clutch (AU game) but both have the potential to be future #1 WR's. I mean Look what LaFell did to Va Tech. Torched 'em.

[Xonraider]

Is Loadholt a fit for a ZBS?

[BeerBaron]

Is Loadholt a fit for a ZBS?

no, but i was unaware that the raiders ran a ZBS at the time. I now am aware