Matt Ryan signs 6yr., $72 million dollar deal

[DraftKidWonder]

Matt Ryan has signed a 6 year deal worth 72 million dollars, according to ESPNews.

From what I know he's the first rookie to sign. This is a big deal considering it took Quinn and Russell forever to get a contract done, so the question is now, will he start week 1?

[Addict]

Matt Ryan has signed a 6 year deal worth 72 million dollars, according to ESPNews.

From what I know he's the first rookie to sign. This is a big deal considering it took Quinn and Russell forever to get a contract done, so the question is now, will he start week 1?

I don't think he does, week 2 after Redman and Harrington show their inadequacy.

[kwilk103]

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/Articles/2008/05/11-20/Falcons_agree_to_terms_with_quarterback_Matt_Ryan. aspx

doesnt say the numbers, and i just missed them on espn

something around $34 mil i think

[Xiomera]

I don't think he does, week 2 after Redman and Harrington show their inadequacy.

Harrington will light the world on fire this year. Just watch . . . the year that no one expects him to do anything, he will untap that college potential. http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[IndyColtScout]

The rookie pay scale is so stupid. Falcons are smart for getting the deal done, and getting this kid into camp. Falcons are dumb because they just gave a rookie QB more money than Tony Romo (if I am not mistaken). Just plain crazy!

[Geo]

6 years with max value of 72M, assuming he hits all the triggers, with 34.75M guaranteed.

Amazing that he could make more money than Tony Romo, but that's the system for you.

Best news is that the Falcons and Ryan got this done so early, way to go for both parties. Especially for a QB, nice job.

[BeerBaron]

The rookie pay scale is so stupid. Falcons are smart for getting the deal done, and getting this kid into camp. Falcons are dumb because they just gave a rookie QB more money than Tony Romo (if I am not mistaken). Just plain crazy!

there is no rookie pay scale, that would solve these problems.....

but anyway, good for the falcons. hopefully this starts of a trend of rookies signing quickly this year.

[Geo]

The Falcons were going to pay whoever they drafted huge money, it's not them it's the 3rd overall pick. Just like the Dolphins paid for Jake Long, and so on.

It is what it is. The important thing is that they got the deal done, unlike Russell and the Raiders last year, and can just move forward with football.

[Addict]

Harrington will light the world on fire this year. Just watch . . . the year that no one expects him to do anything, he will untap that college potential. http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

that's a good point... by now Joey should be like a talent vulcano :)

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Good for us and Ryan. However that quite a bit of money, and this is a guy I was very back and forth on. I'm a wee bit nervous. Can't get much worse though.

[DragonFireKai]

there is no rookie pay scale, that would solve these problems.....

but anyway, good for the falcons. hopefully this starts of a trend of rookies signing quickly this year.

You'll see a glut of players signed today, but anyone who doesn't sign today will probably enter into a protracted contract battle, due to the CBA.

[WMD]

Surprising to see a player drafted high sign before everyone else.

[Addict]

Surprising to see a player drafted high sign before everyone else.

I guess Ryan just really wanted to get on the field asap

[TheGreatEscape]

I think he'll start week one unless Harrington lights it up in camp.

[Yatta!]

Good job by Ryan making sure he gets into camp. Not surprising though, nice big contract.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I think he'll start week one unless Harrington lights it up in camp.


Joey isn't his competition. Chris Redman is.

[Addict]

Joey isn't his competition. Chris Redman is.

never count Joey out!

[Tha Boss]

I guess Ryan just really wanted to get on the field asap

I would say this is more of the teams doing, I think if you get offered the largest rookie contract in the history of the NFL, you take it. Although it is rediculous.

[ninerfan]

Thank God we finally have a rookie without the big head. Excellent move by Ryan and the Falcons - the Vick era is dead and they can move on week 1 with Ryan under centre. If only more rookies took this attitude and actually proved themselves on the NFL field before holding out for the big bucks.

[d34ng3l021]

Hopefully Geo is right about the incentives deal. Thats alot of money.

But I am pretty ridiculously happy that he has signed already. I guess all things point to him starting day 1. I am loving the fact that he will not be holding out.

[BamaFalcon59]

A lot of money, but his progression will be helped and he should have a legit shot at starting from day one.

[Basileus777]

This is why the old CBA had to go. The NFL needs to get their act together and implement and NBA style rookie pay scale.

[BeerBaron]

This is why the old CBA had to go. The NFL needs to get their act together and implement and NBA style rookie pay scale.

the only problem is that they would have to make some concessions to the players union to get that in the new CBA and the whole reason they nixed the old one was because they felt they were already making too many monetary concessions....

[Watchman]

If only more rookies took this attitude and actually proved themselves on the NFL field before holding out for the big bucks.


It would have been tough for Ryan to hold out with that type of money on the table. The Falcons made it a pretty easy decision for him.

[Wyndham]

Surprising to see a player drafted high sign before everyone else.

Not really. Arthur Blank just agreed to pay him as much as $72 million. What's Ryan gonna do, say "no thanks" in the hopes that St. Louis signs Chris Long to a six-year, $85 million deal?

[BeerBaron]

Not really. Arthur Blank just agreed to pay him as much as $72 million. What's Ryan gonna do, say "no thanks" in the hopes that St. Louis signs Chris Long to a six-year, $85 million deal?

i betcha chris long's eyes lit up upon seeing how much ryan just got...

albeit QBs usually get a little more at the top of the draft but you have to figure long wouldn't be too terribly upset with anything even close to that much money

[RaiderFan]

The falcons are screwed.........in fact any losing team is screwed because these contracts are stupid. Rookies(and not the 1st overall pick) making more than Pro-Bowlers and Hall of Famers.

[BeerBaron]

The falcons are screwed.........in fact any losing team is screwed because these contracts are stupid. Rookies(and not the 1st overall pick) making more than Pro-Bowlers and Hall of Famers.

i doubt hall of famers are getting much from their old teams contracts anymore but i get your point, lol

and yeah, it is pretty stupid if you ask 99.9% of people. only the players picked in the top 5-10 and their agents would be against the rookie signing structure...problem is those same agents are the guys who have the ear of gene upshaw....

and the argument that the rookie contracts drives up the market for the veterans is bogus too. only franchise QBs like manning and big ben get booku bucks like these top rookies it seems.

and if if you think im wrong on that ask yourself this:

who will get more money, unproven rookie 4th overall pick Darren McFadden or what proven, pro-bowl RB Marion Barber just got?

thought so.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.

[BeerBaron]

I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.

well my argument to the 'more physical game' point is that we don't need to give them equal money to the NBA, just less then they already are getting in the nfl.

and i also think anyone who plays in the nfl should have a lifetime insurance plan for them or something....if they have long term health problems because of their former job, they should get all the benefits of a current player imo.

the couple grand it would take to keep them healthy is pennies compared to the millions the nfl makes.

[Kurve]

i think NFL should put a rookie cap, for the most part these teams who lose year and year out are forced to pay these insane high contract amounts to players who havent even proven anything in this league. Its not like its easy to trade out of these top 5 spots when it comes to draft day, due to these high contract amounts. I can see how teams who are financially set on a player and turns into a bust be set back 5+ years because of the deal.

[Basileus777]

I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.

You would have to have short contracts with a pay scale. You could give rookies a 3 year deal and then they become RFAs. You'd have to get rid of poison pills too. The players would benefit by becoming free agents sooner, and while first round picks might earn less, other players who've earned the money would benefit.

[BeerBaron]

You would have to have short contracts with a pay scale. You could give rookies a 3 year deal and then they become RFAs. You'd have to get rid of poison pills too. The players would benefit by becoming free agents sooner, and while first round picks might earn less, other players who've earned the money would benefit.

ive always thought 3 years with an option for a 4th is plenty to evaluate a rookie.

in most instances, we know whether a guy will be good or not by his 3rd year in the league, and at that point he would be cut or resigned to a longer term deal accordingly anyway.

[Ness]

i think NFL should put a rookie cap, for the most part these teams who lose year and year out are forced to pay these insane high contract amounts to players who havent even proven anything in this league. Its not like its easy to trade out of these top 5 spots when it comes to draft day, due to these high contract amounts. I can see how teams who are financially set on a player and turns into a bust be set back 5+ years because of the deal.There's only a certain amount of money that you can spend on rookies. So there is a cap, essentially.

[Splat]

Good for both sides ya its crazy money but it is what it is.

I hope this gets the ball rolling for the rest of the rookies.

[scar988]

Matt Ryan has signed a 6 year deal worth 72 million dollars, according to ESPNews.

From what I know he's the first rookie to sign. This is a big deal considering it took Quinn and Russell forever to get a contract done, so the question is now, will he start week 1?

if he proves he is the starter in TC and preseason, yes. if he doesn't then it's Redman. Harrington is the #3. I believe Ryan will start day one though.

[LonghornsLegend]

They have GOT to do something about rookie cap restrictions, seriously...They go up every year, eventually it gets to the point that a team will be paying 40 million guaranteed to a guy who could end up a bust...Thats crippling.

[RaiderFan]

They have GOT to do something about rookie cap restrictions, seriously...They go up every year, eventually it gets to the point that a team will be paying 40 million guaranteed to a guy who could end up a bust...Thats crippling.

At this pace it will be 2010 that rookie will be gaureenteed 40 mill
07 Russell 31
08 Ryan 34.5
09 38
10 42

The Rookie contracts will eventually destroy the draft at this pace.

[BeerBaron]

how bad could it get though....as long as the cap goes up proportionately, there wont be a problem.

but if that were stop, could we see a time where the teams at the very top just refuse to pick? forfeit thier pick or something?

would be scary stuff for a draft fan....signability would be come the #1 reason for players being drafted.

[bigbluedefense]

haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.

[BeerBaron]

haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.

i know right, lol.

i never had anything against him as a person, i just didn't want him on my bears...

[661rep]

haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.

lol I agree.

[BamaFalcon59]

The Giants, despite the hype he has been given, have a QB who has never had a 80 passer rating for a season, lead the NFC in interceptions last year, and has a bad completion percentage. Hell, his stats, despite having all the tools around him, have been extrodinarily mediocre.

Don't get me started on the Bears QBs.

Not trying to start an arguement, but bashing a guy before he steps on the field is going a bit too far.

[BeerBaron]

The Giants, despite the hype he has been given, have a QB who has never had a 80 passer rating for a season, lead the NFC in interceptions last year, and has a bad completion percentage. Hell, his stats, despite having all the tools around him, have been extrodinarily mediocre.

Don't get me started on the Bears QBs.

Not trying to start an arguement, but bashing a guy before he steps on the field is going a bit too far.

you mean the bears QB where one has a 66% career winning percentage and managed to not lose a division title as a rookie and the other one who played in superbowl? those guys?

people forget that grossman can be anywhere from decent to good with adequate protection and when the guy im pulling for, KO, starts, the bears win twice as many as they lose

[BamaFalcon59]

you mean the bears QB where one has a 66% career winning percentage and managed to not lose a division title as a rookie and the other one who played in superbowl? those guys?

people forget that grossman can be anywhere from decent to good with adequate protection and when the guy im pulling for, KO, starts, the bears win twice as many as they lose

Any decent QB would have won a Superbowl with that defense and running game. Saying otherwise is being a homer.

But, I'm not trying to argue.

[BeerBaron]

Any decent QB would have won a Superbowl with that defense and running game. Saying otherwise is being a homer.

But, I'm not trying to argue.

im not trying to argue either. grossman lost that game hands down.

hester started if off with a great return and the bears D was amazing to start it off but grossman couldn't keep the offense on the field for more than a few plays a drive and the bears D got tired....i know that.

but how many QBs have gotten to that point? not many...

[d34ng3l021]

haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.

Aw come on BBD. :/

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Aw come on BBD. :/


I used to agree with him, but I've been slowly coming around. I know most fans don't care too much for him.. but I highly doubt that all these scouts are just wrong about Ryan.

[leroyisgod]

Please institute a rookie salary cap!!!!

[Larry]

These rookie contracts are getting out of hand.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

72 million.lol. I needed a good laugh thanks Mr.Blank.

[d34ng3l021]

http://cdn-media.channelme.tv/media/images/000000/72/06/NzI~NTA2_large.jpg

Jamarcus Russell: "Nearest McDonalds is right there. I am heading over there after I finish scratching my balls."

[Flyboy]

Jamarcus Russell: "Nearest McDonalds is right there. I am heading over there after I finish scratching my balls."

Yet he's still a better prospect than Matt Ryan. Lawlz. ;)

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yet he's still a better prospect than Matt Ryan. Lawlz. ;)


Reggie Bush good sir. Reggie Bush.

[d34ng3l021]

Yet he's still a better prospect than Matt Ryan. Lawlz. ;)

Good for him. Now lets see who the better NFL QB is.

[BamaFalcon59]

72 million.lol. I needed a good laugh thanks Mr.Blank.

I know a fan of the Raiders is not saying this. Tommy Kelly 50 million. Javon Walker 50 million. Gibril Wilson 40 million. DeAngelo Hall 70 million, and that was the best deal of the bunch!

[Caddy]

Great news for the Falgoons. They need him in Training Camp.

[Ness]

It's a lot of money, but look on the bright side. At least he's going to be there for the start of training camp. Everyday of practice helps.

[Flyboy]

Reggie Bush good sir. Reggie Bush.

Had a fine rookie season and a lackluster sophomore season which was he injured in most of. Point?

[BamaFalcon59]

Had a fine rookie season and a lackluster sophomore season which was he injured in most of. Point?

He was expected to be the messiah of the Saints and be the biggest big play threat the NFL has seen in a number of years. So far he has averaged 3.7 yards per carry in his career and his longest run in his 312 regular season carries is 22 yards. He has had 161 regular season receptions and only four touchdowns on the bunch. He has only averaged 7.2 yards per reception in his career, 5.7 last year. 5.7 is about what you would expect his yard per carry to be, but that is 3.7. On 473 touches total for his regular season career he has only fourteen touchdowns.

I would say he has been a disappointment to date.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I know a fan of the Raiders is not saying this. Tommy Kelly 50 million. Javon Walker 50 million. Gibril Wilson 40 million. DeAngelo Hall 70 million, and that was the best deal of the bunch!
So we paid a bunch of good players less money than a guy who hasnt played a down in the NFL yet. yep your argument makes alot of sense.:rolleyes:

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Had a fine rookie season and a lackluster sophomore season which was he injured in most of. Point?


Better prospects don't always be the better NFL player. As DeAngelo pointed out below me.

[RaiderFan]

Al Davis is gonna look like a Genius in 2 years.
Imagine how much players will cost next year.

[BamaFalcon59]

So we paid a bunch of good players less money than a guy who hasnt played a down in the NFL yet. yep your argument makes alot of sense.:rolleyes:

Well, Tommy Kelly is good. That's news to me!

[bigbluedefense]

Perhaps i was a bit harsh with what i said. But ive said all along that i wouldn't touch him or even consider him until the middle of the 1st round at best. I felt that if the Falcons took him #3 overall it would be a terrible mistake.


While other quarterbacks have had their share of poor statistics (Eli being the posterboy of a qb who had poor stats but still won), the problems that stick out to me with Ryan have been he's never impressed me when i saw him play. Forget stats, you guys know i hate using stats unless i absolutely have to use them to validate my reasonings, when I saw Ryan play it was just unimpressive. He didn't wow me the way a top 10 pick should wow you. I was wowed when i saw Eli, Ben, Rivers, Cutler, Young, Quinn, to a lesser extent Leinart, but i didn't see anything from Ryan to make me believe he would be a franchise caliber player.

Can he be solid? Yes i think he can, but I don't think he'll ever be franchise caliber, and top 3 picks are supposed to be more than that.

Let's face it, the main reason why the Falcons took him wasn't necessarily for his ability, but moreso bc they needed a clean face as the future of their franchise, and they needed to unequivocally remove themselves from Michael Vick in every way possible.

I initially felt that the Falcons couldve been a sleeper team this upcoming year, depending on the moves they could potentially make. To me, they failed miserably this offseason. They made a lot of poor decisions, from letting go of Hall, to a poor hiring of a coaching staff imo, to not maximizing investments out of all those draft picks.

This team wasn't nearly as bad as they were perceived to be, but a lot of questionable moves this offseason leads me to believe that they got worse. Not every year is going to have a stud qb, we have to realize that. This was one of those years where teams shouldve shyed away from taking a qb early. Theres always that one team that feels compelled to take a qb early just because. Atlanta was that team this year.

I readily admit i can be wrong though. As background, here is how ive rated the qbs from previous drafts:

1. Eli
2. Rivers
3. Ben

1. Jason Campbell
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Alex Smith

1. Jay Cutler
2. Matt Leinart
3. Vince Young

1. Brady Quinn
2. John Beck
3. Trent Edwards
4. JaMarcus Russell
5. Troy Smith

1. Joe Flacco
2. Andre Smith
3. Matt Ryan
4. Brian Brohm
5. Chad Henne

take it for what its worth.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Well, Tommy Kelly is good. That's news to me!
Its news to you because youve never watched him play.
Either way hes better Ryan and he costs less to.

[RaiderFan]

Imagine how much Players will make in 2010 with inflation like this. Al Davis has foresight.

[nobodyinparticular]

I don't understand it when the #3 draft pick is getting more than the #1 overall draft pick of the year before. And I can't think of anyone who would say that Ryan is a better talent than Jrock.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

isnt it Andre Woodson bbd?

[BamaFalcon59]

Perhaps i was a bit harsh with what i said. But ive said all along that i wouldn't touch him or even consider him until the middle of the 1st round at best. I felt that if the Falcons took him #3 overall it would be a terrible mistake.


While other quarterbacks have had their share of poor statistics (Eli being the posterboy of a qb who had poor stats but still won), the problems that stick out to me with Ryan have been he's never impressed me when i saw him play. Forget stats, you guys know i hate using stats unless i absolutely have to use them to validate my reasonings, when I saw Ryan play it was just unimpressive. He didn't wow me the way a top 10 pick should wow you. I was wowed when i saw Eli, Ben, Rivers, Cutler, Young, Quinn, to a lesser extent Leinart, but i didn't see anything from Ryan to make me believe he would be a franchise caliber player.

Can he be solid? Yes i think he can, but I don't think he'll ever be franchise caliber, and top 3 picks are supposed to be more than that.

Let's face it, the main reason why the Falcons took him wasn't necessarily for his ability, but moreso bc they needed a clean face as the future of their franchise, and they needed to unequivocally remove themselves from Michael Vick in every way possible.

I initially felt that the Falcons couldve been a sleeper team this upcoming year, depending on the moves they could potentially make. To me, they failed miserably this offseason. They made a lot of poor decisions, from letting go of Hall, to a poor hiring of a coaching staff imo, to not maximizing investments out of all those draft picks.

This team wasn't nearly as bad as they were perceived to be, but a lot of questionable moves this offseason leads me to believe that they got worse. Not every year is going to have a stud qb, we have to realize that. This was one of those years where teams shouldve shyed away from taking a qb early. Theres always that one team that feels compelled to take a qb early just because. Atlanta was that team this year.

I readily admit i can be wrong though. As background, here is how ive rated the qbs from previous drafts:

1. Eli
2. Rivers
3. Ben

1. Jason Campbell
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Alex Smith

1. Jay Cutler
2. Matt Leinart
3. Vince Young

1. Brady Quinn
2. John Beck
3. Trent Edwards
4. JaMarcus Russell
5. Troy Smith

1. Joe Flacco
2. Andre Smith
3. Matt Ryan
4. Brian Brohm
5. Chad Henne

take it for what its worth.

We could have put some bandaids on things and been decent next year. But then Brooking, Coleman, Horn, Milloy, Crumpler, and the rest of the aging team would have been done. We have built for the future, not put on bandaids.

And credibility is sapped when a fake QB is number two on your list.

[BamaFalcon59]

I don't understand it when the #3 draft pick is getting more than the #1 overall draft pick of the year before. And I can't think of anyone who would say that Ryan is a better talent than Jrock.

Who said that? Ryan may very well have a better career. Talent is not all of the equation. Surroundings and intangibles, yes intangibles, have a lot to do with it.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I don't understand it when the #3 draft pick is getting more than the #1 overall draft pick of the year before. And I can't think of anyone who would say that Ryan is a better talent than Jrock.Yeah but apparently hes a very smart QB despite the fact that he threw 19 ints in his final year.

[BeerBaron]

Yeah but apparently hes a very smart QB despite the fact that he threw 19 ints in his final year.

oh, now we're going to hear about how bad his supporting cast was. wait, let me get my popcorn and watch this unfold...

[BamaFalcon59]

Yeah but apparently hes a very smart QB despite the fact that he threw 19 ints in his final year.

Smart and cocky are not the same thing. Ryan had too much confidence in his arm and attempted to make a ton of plays due to a bad team around him.

Oh, and he threw the ball like 50 times a game, second most in the nation. Same pass to interception ratio as John David Booty. Hmm, don't hear Booty is a pick prone QB much.

[BamaFalcon59]

oh, now we're going to hear about how bad his supporting cast was. wait, let me get my popcorn and watch this unfold...

Was it good?

[BeerBaron]

Smart and cocky are not the same thing. Ryan had too much confidence in his arm and attempted to make a ton of plays due to a bad team around him.

Oh, and he threw the ball like 50 times a game, second most in the nation. Same pass to interception ratio as John David Booty. Hmm, don't hear Booty is a pick prone QB much.

called it!

[bigbluedefense]

We could have put some bandaids on things and been decent next year. But then Brooking, Coleman, Horn, Milloy, Crumpler, and the rest of the aging team would have been done. We have built for the future, not put on bandaids.

And credibility is sapped when a fake QB is number two on your list.

lol whoops, i keep calling Woodson Smith for some reason. I don't know why, just a typo.

I wouldn't call it bandaids. I agreed with letting go of Dunn and Crumpler. I disagreed with the scheme in place, i disagreed with letting go of Hall, shouldve taken Dorsey #3 overall, couldve taken a LB in round 3 the way they were falling, took Baker too high (although Im a fan of Bakers), couldve took Phillips to bolster that secondary etc.

Is there THAT much of a difference between Ryan and Brohm? I definitely don't think so. Ryan just got 72 million, and Brohm was a 2nd round pick. I think Atlanta didn't play this one wisely.

An offseason of hiring Rex Ryan, keeping Hall, signing Turner, taking Dorsey, Brohm, Phillips, and Jonathan Goff to bolster that defense would be sweet. Use the other picks on guys like Baker to bolster the line, id take that offseason over the one the falcons just had.

And I think with that kind of offseason, youd have more to build off of moving forward. I just didn't like the moves that were made.

[d34ng3l021]

Perhaps i was a bit harsh with what i said. But ive said all along that i wouldn't touch him or even consider him until the middle of the 1st round at best. I felt that if the Falcons took him #3 overall it would be a terrible mistake.


While other quarterbacks have had their share of poor statistics (Eli being the posterboy of a qb who had poor stats but still won), the problems that stick out to me with Ryan have been he's never impressed me when i saw him play. Forget stats, you guys know i hate using stats unless i absolutely have to use them to validate my reasonings, when I saw Ryan play it was just unimpressive. He didn't wow me the way a top 10 pick should wow you. I was wowed when i saw Eli, Ben, Rivers, Cutler, Young, Quinn, to a lesser extent Leinart, but i didn't see anything from Ryan to make me believe he would be a franchise caliber player.

Can he be solid? Yes i think he can, but I don't think he'll ever be franchise caliber, and top 3 picks are supposed to be more than that.

Let's face it, the main reason why the Falcons took him wasn't necessarily for his ability, but moreso bc they needed a clean face as the future of their franchise, and they needed to unequivocally remove themselves from Michael Vick in every way possible.

I initially felt that the Falcons couldve been a sleeper team this upcoming year, depending on the moves they could potentially make. To me, they failed miserably this offseason. They made a lot of poor decisions, from letting go of Hall, to a poor hiring of a coaching staff imo, to not maximizing investments out of all those draft picks.

This team wasn't nearly as bad as they were perceived to be, but a lot of questionable moves this offseason leads me to believe that they got worse. Not every year is going to have a stud qb, we have to realize that. This was one of those years where teams shouldve shyed away from taking a qb early. Theres always that one team that feels compelled to take a qb early just because. Atlanta was that team this year.

I readily admit i can be wrong though. As background, here is how ive rated the qbs from previous drafts:

1. Eli
2. Rivers
3. Ben

1. Jason Campbell
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Alex Smith

1. Jay Cutler
2. Matt Leinart
3. Vince Young

1. Brady Quinn
2. John Beck
3. Trent Edwards
4. JaMarcus Russell
5. Troy Smith

1. Joe Flacco
2. Andre Smith
3. Matt Ryan
4. Brian Brohm
5. Chad Henne

take it for what its worth.

They also drafted him because of his leadership ability and his great work ethic. I would agree with you if you said that he isnt that physically talented. I would say he is average in nearly every department. His arm is not like Flacco's or Cutler's or Palmer's or Manning's. His accuracy is not that of P. Manning, Drew Brees, or even Matt Leinart. His decision making skills need alot of improvement as well.

But you want to know what is comparable to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Carson Palmer? Things that Russell lacked? His leadership ability and work ethic. His drive to get better and be the leader of the team, to gain respect of teammates. The amount of work he actually puts into being a top NFL QB and lead his teams to the Ws. Look at the quote in my sig.

After having Vick as our QB, I think Ryan was very necessary. Vick was the face of the franchise but never acted like it. He led by example which is great, but being the franchise QB requires alot more. Teammates need to be able to feed off your energy. Teammates didnt do that from Vick. It wouldnt be surprising to maybe even see teammates being isolated from Vick. Vick wasnt the type of guy that would spend hours and hours in the film room breaking down the defense or trying to improve himself. Matt Ryan is that guy.

Sure none of his talents pop out at you, but how much of it is necessary? His arm is adequate enough to get the passes to where they need to be. He isnt going to be throwing bombs all the time anyway. His accuracy is good where it counts (slants and outs). His decision making needs improvement, but I am sure with good coaching and a good supporting cast, that will come to him as well.

Things you dont develop while you are in the NFL are your work ethic and drive to get better. Players dont suddenly (or over time) become the leaders of their teams from out of nowhere.

Thats just my opinion though.

[bigbluedefense]

Smart and cocky are not the same thing. Ryan had too much confidence in his arm and attempted to make a ton of plays due to a bad team around him.

Oh, and he threw the ball like 50 times a game, second most in the nation. Same pass to interception ratio as John David Booty. Hmm, don't hear Booty is a pick prone QB much.

John David Booty was a 3rd round draft pick. Ryan was the 3rd pick in the draft. Big discrepancy there. Thats ultimately where my issue lies. #3 overall? Come on, theres no way Ryan is worth that value. No way.

If he came out last year, he wouldve been a 2nd round pick. The only reason why he was top 3 overall was because of the dirth of qb talent in this year's draft.

[Geo]

Ryan has been compared by others (not me) to Peyton Manning, including in work ethic. Maybe he can make good on that promise, like a Carson Palmer or a Jay Cutler.

[bigbluedefense]

They also drafted him because of his leadership ability and his great work ethic. I would agree with you if you said that he isnt that physically talented. I would say he is average in nearly every department. His arm is not like Flacco's or Cutler's or Palmer's or Manning's. His accuracy is not that of P. Manning, Drew Brees, or even Matt Leinart. His decision making skills need alot of improvement as well.

But you want to know what is comparable to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Carson Palmer? Things that Russell lacked? His leadership ability and work ethic. His drive to get better and be the leader of the team, to gain respect of teammates. The amount of work he actually puts into being a top NFL QB and lead his teams to the Ws. Look at the quote in my sig.

After having Vick as our QB, I think Ryan was very necessary. Vick was the face of the franchise but never acted like it. He led by example which is great, but being the franchise QB requires alot more. Teammates need to be able to feed off your energy. Teammates didnt do that from Vick. It wouldnt be surprising to maybe even see teammates being isolated from Vick. Vick wasnt the type of guy that would spend hours and hours in the film room breaking down the defense or trying to improve himself. Matt Ryan is that guy.

Sure none of his talents pop out at you, but how much of it is necessary? His arm is adequate enough to get the passes to where they need to be. He isnt going to be throwing bombs all the time anyway. His accuracy is good where it counts (slants and outs). His decision making needs improvement, but I am sure with good coaching and a good supporting cast, that will come to him as well.

Things you dont develop while you are in the NFL are your work ethic and drive to get better. Players dont suddenly (or over time) become the leaders of their teams from out of nowhere.

Thats just my opinion though.

I hear you on that. Like i said, i feel he has potential to be a good qb, I just don't see "franchise qb" star caliber greatness in him. Thats what my overall beef with the pick was. He's not #3 overall value. And now, what if he doesn't pan out? You just payed an awful lot for a quarterback who has a 2nd round grade (in my opinion) on him.

To put it in perspective, Kellen Clemens had great intangibles and a better arm. He went 2nd round. John Beck had great intangibles and work ethic and intelligence and accuracy, he went 2nd round. Quinn fell to the 22nd pick in the 1st round.

Basically what im trying to say is, I just don't think his ability warrants the spot where he was drafted. The Falcons are putting a TON of faith in him, and that contract raises more eyebrows. This is either a genius move, or will set back the franchise another 6 years.

[BamaFalcon59]

I hear you on that. Like i said, i feel he has potential to be a good qb, I just don't see "franchise qb" star caliber greatness in him. Thats what my overall beef with the pick was. He's not #3 overall value. And now, what if he doesn't pan out? You just payed an awful lot for a quarterback who has a 2nd round grade (in my opinion) on him.

To put it in perspective, Kellen Clemens had great intangibles and a better arm. He went 2nd round. John Beck had great intangibles and work ethic and intelligence and accuracy, he went 2nd round. Quinn fell to the 22nd pick in the 1st round.

Basically what im trying to say is, I just don't think his ability warrants the spot where he was drafted. The Falcons are putting a TON of faith in him, and that contract raises more eyebrows. This is either a genius move, or will set back the franchise another 6 years.

There is something missing here, seeing how every NFL team had a first round grade on Ryan. At least, probably more, two teams had him valued with a top three pick. I'll trust the head men in Baltimore, Atlanta, and many other teams over you.

[d34ng3l021]

Yeah its a very risky and bold move. I guess from what they have seen from him the FO really likes him. I would like to say 'I trust the FO' but its all a bunch of new guys and who really knows.

[RaiderFan]

We can talk up Ryan all we want there is simply no excuse for 19int's in college. Spin it any way you want. If he was trying his hardest he did a Bad job, which means the is a high probability he will continue to do a bad job.

[BamaFalcon59]

We can talk up Ryan all we want there is simply no excuse for 19int's in college. Spin it any way you want. If he was trying his hardest he did a Bad job, which means the is a high probability he will continue to do a bad job.

Great logic! You have figured it out. I wonder why all those guys getting payed for this stuff haven't figured this out.

[RaiderFan]

Is Matt Ryan a better prospect than Trent Edwards?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Ryan has been compared by others (not me) to Peyton Manning, including in work ethic. Maybe he can make good on that promise, like a Carson Palmer or a Jay Cutler.

I can see that. What's lost is his great escape ability. Might be one of his best assests.


We can talk up Ryan all we want there is simply no excuse for 19int's in college. Spin it any way you want. If he was trying his hardest he did a Bad job, which means the is a high probability he will continue to do a bad job.

Everyone seems to buy that put the team on his shoulders thing. I've never been one to support that, but it's what has been said.

[bigbluedefense]

There is something missing here, seeing how every NFL team had a first round grade on Ryan. At least, probably more, two teams had him valued with a top three pick. I'll trust the head men in Baltimore, Atlanta, and many other teams over you.

thats understandable. im not asking anyone to put faith in my word like i was Moses.

but let's not pretend that head scouts are right all the time. once upon a time, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, and Patrick Ramsey were graded as top 10 prospects as well. Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped.

Not every year is going to have a stud quarterback. The failure rate is higher than the success rate.

[RaiderFan]

And don't get it twisted i am a Atlanta native who does not have any feeling towards Michael vick i sincerely have the Falcons best interest in my heart.

[bigbluedefense]

And don't get it twisted i am a Atlanta native who does not have any feeling towards Michael vick i sincerely have the Falcons best interest in my heart.

I agree. I hope this move pans out because Atlanta fans deserve for it to work. They went through a lot this season, and Id hate to see them fall into a downward spiral bc of a poor decision.

I just feel they really are rolling the dice with this move. I personally don't like taking qbs early unless you have the pieces around him to make him successful. And to me, thats a dominant defense, solid oline and run game. I felt Atlanta couldve built up that defense, oline and run game this year and went on and got their guy next year, but they made the decision to get their guy now and they have to live with it. For their sake, I hope it works out for them.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

But you want to know what is comparable to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Carson Palmer? Things that Russell lacked? His leadership ability and work ethic. His drive to get better and be the leader of the team, to gain respect of teammates. The amount of work he actually puts into being a top NFL QB and lead his teams to the Ws. Look at the quote in my sig. Thats actually quite funny since Russell has shown up in advance and works pretty hard everyday.Not only that but hes also in great shape at 269.


On Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell:
Lane Kiffin: "[His off-season] has been great. He's working extremely hard. He's here from about 7:30 in the morning until about 2:00 in the afternoon. He starts with football stuff in the classroom and then he goes into the weight room, lifts with the first group, and then goes out on the field and runs with them and then stays out and throws and goes through all the quarterback stuff on the field after that."


http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/012291.html


Q: What has JaMarcus done this off-season? How much has he progressed?
Knapp: Because we are not allowed to do team settings it is hard to tell, but as far as the classroom goes he is done a great job. He has been meeting with me for an hour and 45 minutes on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday since March 10th. We have been on the field an hour on those same respective days and to see the progress of the footwork and the correlation that we are getting in the classroom as far as quizzing and taking the tests. We give him a study guide each week to take home and bring back. The quizzes we give him in the classroom, he really has progressed and it’s exciting to see. The time we get to spend now really wiring the guy’s brain on how to really play the position and our offense is during this time. We have seen great strides in the classroom and in the individual stuff and now we hope to see it carry over to [Organized Team Activities] when we start practice.
Q: For these quizzes do you grade him?
Knapp: No, a lot of it would be like right now I would throw, in the middle of watching a play, ‘what would be your progression right here? What is your footwork? Who is your first read on defense?’ And obviously the feedback I get, ‘oh that’s good, he is stepping that much quicker.’ Some of the things he has brought up to us really has impressed me, like when we started this off-season back in March; we showed something on the board and he goes, ‘Well why did you ask me that question coach? That is the question you asked me before my Pro Day at LSU.’ And he is exactly right. That is exciting because if he has that kind of recall on a night that was very important to him a year ago way before the draft, than you know he is into it and he really wants to become a better quarterback.


http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=43286

Smart and cocky are not the same thing. Ryan had too much confidence in his arm and attempted to make a ton of plays due to a bad team around him.

Oh, and he threw the ball like 50 times a game, second most in the nation. Same pass to interception ratio as John David Booty. Hmm, don't hear Booty is a pick prone QB much. excuses, excuses. 19 ints is unacceptable.

[Geo]

To be honest, I like Russell at first overall '07 less than I like Ryan at third overall '08. Russell just had way to much of a bust factor for me, even though his physical talent could put some other prospects to shame.

Of course, what I thought leading up to April 07 really doesn't have any bearing on a player's career and what they make of it, plus the situation they are put in, etcetera.

[d34ng3l021]

Thats actually quite funny since Russell has shown up in advance and works pretty hard everyday.Not only that but hes also in great shape at 269.



http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/012291.html



http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=43286

excuses, excuses. 19 ints is unacceptable.

Oh. And here I was thinking that the HC and OC would say that their franchise QB is out of shape and not getting better and not putting in more effort in the film room.

And just FYI, look at the number of attempts. Matt Ryan threw an interception every 34.42 attempts. Chad Henne threw a pick every 30.88 attempts. Brian Brohm threw an interception every 34.42 attempts as well (after taking out the attempts he had in the Murray State and Middle Tennessee)

[TheGreatEscape]

I think Ryan is on a different level than brohm and the other second rounders you mentioned because I get the feeling with him that he can lead his team when it matters right away and won't fold on the team even if he struggles. I think he's a better leader than anyone in the the 07 draft and on par with VY and Cutler.

[BamaFalcon59]

Matt Ryan threw a pick 2.9 percent of the time in his senior season. JaMarcus Russell threw a pick 2.4 percent of the time his junior, last season.

[Hwoarang]

Rookie contracts should be handled like the NBA handles them.

I mean good for Ryan but I still don't think he'll succeed in ATL.

Thats actually quite funny since Russell has shown up in advance and works pretty hard everyday.Not only that but hes also in great shape at 269.



http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/012291.html



http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=43286

excuses, excuses. 19 ints is unacceptable.I'm an LSU fan and love JR but don't be blinded by homerism and dog on Ryan like that. When you throw as many passes as he did it's bound to happen. When you add all the passes, no running game and no bodies at WR you get 19 INT's.

[Staubach12]

Wow, that was quick. But still, it's nice that that's squared away.

[Staubach12]

My opinion on the issue of JR vs Ryan. JR is the best QB prospect (in my mind) since Carson Palmer, and maybe even since Peyton Manning. Ryan is not that guy.

[d34ng3l021]

My opinion on the issue of JR vs Ryan. JR is the best QB prospect (in my mind) since Carson Palmer, and maybe even since Peyton Manning. Ryan is not that guy.

I would like to think we can all agree on that. JR is ridiculously talented and is one of the better QB prospects. What we are talking about now is who will be the better NFL QB.

Will JR put his talent to good use? Will Matt Ryan's talents be enough? Its basically a debate of a guy who is very physically talented but has questions about his work ethics against a guy who is very average physically but is a hard worker.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Oh. And here I was thinking that the HC and OC would say that their franchise QB is out of shape and not getting better and not putting in more effort in the film room.And Ive yet to see any credible evidence that says otherwise.

[zoinks]

Too bad the Falcons couldn't just slap the franchise tag on Ryan....they would have saved millions.

[d34ng3l021]

Okay. People need to look at the guaranteed money, not the whole contract. A ton of players dont even see the end of their contract. Many of them are built in with impossible incentives. I heard that the only way Laron Landry will see the end of his contract is to win DPOTY 4 times (which I wouldnt put past him). I am sure he will restructure before he sees the end of that or something.

And the guaranteed money is just something that will always be increasing. 31 for Long for 5 years, 34 for Ryan for 6 years.

[TheGreatEscape]

My opinion on the issue of JR vs Ryan. JR is the best QB prospect (in my mind) since Carson Palmer, and maybe even since Peyton Manning. Ryan is not that guy.

While Russel has great potential I don't think he's going to be a better QB and leader than Ryan, Cutler, VY, Eli, Rivers or Big Ben (although he was similar to a less assertive big ben).

My gripe with him is a just don't see a standout leader who can carry the team despite his supporting cast. In the right situations he could put up rediculous stats, but he won't succeed without quality weapons like McNabb and Brady have. Nor do I expect him to pullof the great clutch play to lead his team to victory.

[RaiderFan]

While Russel has great potential I don't think he's going to be a better QB and leader than Ryan, Cutler, VY, Eli, Rivers or Big Ben (although he was similar to a less assertive big ben).

My gripe with him is a just don't see a standout leader who can carry the team despite his supporting cast. In the right situations he could put up rediculous stats, but he won't succeed without quality weapons like McNabb and Brady have. Nor do I expect him to pullof the great clutch play to lead his team to victory.
Thats because you didn't watch his college career when he orchestrated 8 Comebacks. I think a lot of people ignore the fact that Lane kiffin was the QB coach at USC. When they produced talents like Palmer,lienart, and booty(the good years). Kiffin has a proven track record of developing QB's, so Russell is going to a better coaching Situation, stronger arm, Higher accuracy,mobile, better run game, and so far has proven to be a hard worker. Its kind of Ridiculous people are trying to tear down Russell with rumors and biased stats to make Ryan look legit. The fact is Russell looks legit without all the BS, and Ryan is a Questionable draft choice. Add on top this silly contract and Ryan supporters really have it rough. Hang in there.
I understand people will defend Ryan tooth and nail, thats fine. But Russell is Far better IMO.

[geaux tigers]

Matt Ryan threw a pick 2.9 percent of the time in his senior season. JaMarcus Russell threw a pick 2.4 percent of the time his junior, last season.

Ryans passing attempts/td ratio is horrible though.
1td every 21pass attempts

31td/19int

JR
1td every 12attempts

Ryan(654) had over 300 more passing attempts than JR(342), just so he can throw 3 more TD's(31).

[d34ng3l021]

It sure helps on Russells part to have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick at WR to throw to (one of the WRs who ended up having nearly 1000 yards as a rookie).

[DragonFireKai]

Thats because you didn't watch his college career when he orchestrated 8 Comebacks. I think a lot of people ignore the fact that Lane kiffin was the QB coach at USC. When they produced talents like Palmer,lienart, and booty(the good years). Kiffin has a proven track record of developing QB's, so Russell is going to a better coaching Situation, stronger arm, Higher accuracy,mobile, better run game, and so far has proven to be a hard worker. Its kind of Ridiculous people are trying to tear down Russell with rumors and biased stats to make Ryan look legit. The fact is Russell looks legit without all the BS, and Ryan is a Questionable draft choice. Add on top this silly contract and Ryan supporters really have it rough. Hang in there.
I understand people will defend Ryan tooth and nail, thats fine. But Russell is Far better IMO.

To be honest, I don't like either of them. Ryan has Joey Harrington written all over him, and Russell. Well, Russell reminds me of Peter Patrelli from Heroes, supremely gifted, and the only thing that keeps him from dominating every one is the fact that he's got the intelligence of a box of rocks.

[d34ng3l021]

Joey Harrington. Really? I would hope that his leadership and confidence would deter him from becoming Harrinson.

[DragonFireKai]

Joey Harrington. Really? I would hope that his leadership and confidence would deter him from becoming Harrinson.

What do you think Harrington's main selling points coming out of college was? He wasn't a great talent. He wasn't terrible at anything, but he wasn't exceptional in anything either. However, he just oozed intangibles and leadership out of every orifice.

[RaiderFan]

Brett Farve, Terry Bradshaw, Eli manning and the Majority of players from the south or carry a heavey accent are thought to be stupid, by people that aren't from the south.
I simply don't understand why people keep insulting Russell's intelligence because when he gets on the field against these proper speaking QB's he usually shows them up. Stereo typical statements breed ignorance. He scored a 24 on the Wonderlic which is slightly above average for QB's.

[DragonFireKai]

Brett Farve, Terry Bradshaw, Eli manning and the Majority of players from the south or carry a heavey accent are thought to be stupid, by people that aren't from the south.
I simply don't understand why people keep insulting Russell's intelligence because when he gets on the field against these proper speaking QB's he usually shows them up. Stereo typical statements breed ignorance. He scored a 24 on the Wonderlic which is slightly above average for QB's.

It's not a matter of how he talks. I spent a good chunk of my life in the south. It's a matter of his decision making. He plays too loose with the ball. He doesn't secure the ball, and makes some boneheaded throws. That'll likely calm down if the Raiders can get a good O-Line, but it's tough to fix things like that for QBs.

[d34ng3l021]

What do you think Harrington's main selling points coming out of college was? He wasn't a great talent. He wasn't terrible at anything, but he wasn't exceptional in anything either. However, he just oozed intangibles and leadership out of every orifice.

This is true. Maybe with Harrington on the team he can see all that he doesnt need to become.

[Dreamers]

72 million. That is an insane deal for a player who has never played a down. No wonder the owners are opting out of the CBA. The rookie wage scale is just crazy.

[Addict]

It's not a matter of how he talks. I spent a good chunk of my life in the south. It's a matter of his decision making. He plays too loose with the ball. He doesn't secure the ball, and makes some boneheaded throws. That'll likely calm down if the Raiders can get a good O-Line, but it's tough to fix things like that for QBs.

they'll need to fix it fast too, otherwise JR might end up like David Carr 2.0.

[wicket]

The way to go with the rookie payments just might be a bonus at the start of their carreer to reward them for being drafted as high as they are drafted. Would create a buffer if they got hurt as well. Maybe the proper wages would then go done a nice bit.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

You would have to have short contracts with a pay scale. You could give rookies a 3 year deal and then they become RFAs. You'd have to get rid of poison pills too. The players would benefit by becoming free agents sooner, and while first round picks might earn less, other players who've earned the money would benefit.

Yeah that would be the only way.. 3-4 year deals, and then if you like what you see you invest long term. So teams who are stingy with money basically re-cycle players that way. Rent a player for 3-4 years, hope you win a superbowl then, if not, and he wants tons of money, let him go, get a comp pick, and draft more young players.

If your a rich franchise i guess you'd be the buyer trying to get all these guys in free agency. But something has to be done when unproven guys get more than proven guys. That's a messed up system, and it makes proven players even more mad, when they are in free agency or want to re-sign, because they point to that rookie contract and say Iam proven so pay me that.

[BeerBaron]

Yeah that would be the only way.. 3-4 year deals, and then if you like what you see you invest long term. So teams who are stingy with money basically re-cycle players that way. Rent a player for 3-4 years, hope you win a superbowl then, if not, and he wants tons of money, let him go, get a comp pick, and draft more young players.

If your a rich franchise i guess you'd be the buyer trying to get all these guys in free agency. But something has to be done when unproven guys get more than proven guys. That's a messed up system, and it makes proven players even more mad, when they are in free agency or want to re-sign, because they point to that rookie contract and say Iam proven so pay me that.

but teams won't "pay them that."

in fact, from things ive read on the subject, not even agents really try to use rookie contracts in veteran negotiations.

i believe PFT pointed out a piece by chris cooley in his blog where he was talking about that. its like everyone realizes those rookie contracts are asinine as all hell except for the rookies drafted that high, their agents, and most imporantly, gene upshaw.

that .0001% of people involved in the nfl are the ones keeping it that way it seems

[Addict]

but teams won't "pay them that."

in fact, from things ive read on the subject, not even agents really try to use rookie contracts in veteran negotiations.

i believe PFT pointed out a piece by chris cooley in his blog where he was talking about that. its like everyone realizes those rookie contracts are asinine as all hell except for the rookies drafted that high, their agents, and most imporantly, gene upshaw.

that .0001% of people involved in the nfl are the ones keeping it that way it seems

the agents essentially control Upshaw, and he "represents" the players when talking about contracts. It's sad when you think of it.

[BamaFalcon59]

I can see that. What's lost is his great escape ability. Might be one of his best assests.




Everyone seems to buy that put the team on his shoulders thing. I've never been one to support that, but it's what has been said.

Lol, ironic that I was reading the old draft thread and we argued over that aspect of his game.

[BamaFalcon59]

excuses, excuses. 19 ints is unacceptable.

That is called ignoring the facts.

FACT: Matt Ryan's pass to interception ratio was on par with the rest of the class.

FACT: Matt Ryan threw an interception 2.9 percent of the time, where as JaMarcus Russell did so 2.4 percent of the time.

Yet people act like he throws a million interceptions. He threw the ball like 650 times last year. Yes, he is going to throw some interceptions, especially with the lack of talent on his team.

[BamaFalcon59]

Brett Farve, Terry Bradshaw, Eli manning and the Majority of players from the south or carry a heavey accent are thought to be stupid, by people that aren't from the south.
I simply don't understand why people keep insulting Russell's intelligence because when he gets on the field against these proper speaking QB's he usually shows them up. Stereo typical statements breed ignorance. He scored a 24 on the Wonderlic which is slightly above average for QB's.

I live in the south and consider Bradshaw and Manning both stupid.

[Addict]

I live in the south and consider Bradshaw and Manning both stupid.

but you do it by default, it's got nothing to do with their accent ;)

[Kurve]

JR i think will prove many people wrong .... he has been getting neg rep rumored to be lazy , blowing up to 300lbs , and stupid but he has shown just the opposite. Few games he played last year he was comfortable in the pocket and made very smart throws for being just a rookie. He has been working on improving him self with the coaches in the off season plus the rumor he ballooned up to 300lbs was false. He will be a more a vocal leader in time, leadership is something u gain you cant just come in the rookie and expect to become that leader that people want you to be right away it takes time. You always lead by example first then vocal leadership comes afterwards you have to gain trust in all the vets first on the playing field.

[DragonFireKai]

they'll need to fix it fast too, otherwise JR might end up like David Carr 2.0.

He'll get cut loose far faster than Carr did. Because of the bad tendencies that he picked up at LSU, he'll be a lot more destructive to the team. He got sacked 6 times last season. He fumbled on 4 of them. Even during Carr's rookie season, when he got sacked 76 times, he only fumbled a little more than once every 4 sacks.

[BeerBaron]

i know we were talking about the outrageous size of this deal earlier and if it still bothers you, check out the links i posted on what NFLPA president Kevin Mawae had to say about it over here:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22752

[RaiderFan]

He'll get cut loose far faster than Carr did. Because of the bad tendencies that he picked up at LSU, he'll be a lot more destructive to the team. He got sacked 6 times last season. He fumbled on 4 of them. Even during Carr's rookie season, when he got sacked 76 times, he only fumbled a little more than once every 4 sacks.

Come on dude he didn't even go to training Camp. But you already know that. Bad tenancies my ass he only threw 8int's to 28td's let the guy play before you bury him. You think every QB in there first game will throw 4TD's and no int's?
You talking out your butt again predicting stuff that he has never done before. Thanks.
First you think he stupid now he will be destructive to the team thanks for the insight miss cleo.

He showed great progression in his first extended play against Jacksonville he threw 3int's 1td. The next week he comes back against SD and throws 1td 1int 21-32 225yards. Thats what i call improvement, and mind you the defenses of Jax and SD are both top 5 IN THE LEAGUE. Not to mention that both were elite 8 teams that made it to the second Round of the Playoffs.

It takes a lot of fortitude and resolve to take a Ass kickin and come back the next week much improved for a 21 year player.

[DragonFireKai]

I was refering to his tendancy to attempt to break off sacks, all while carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. While it makes for exciting plays in college, in the NFL it turns into Sack/Strip. He has no clue as to ball security, because he never needed it before. Carr knew how to take a sack, Russell doesn't, and that's gonna hurt the team.

And that improvement would have been more impressive if A) the Chargers weren't coasting on backups for a good chunk of the game. and B) if either of those teams were top five defenses. The Jags were 12th, and the Bolts 14th, IN THE LEAGUE.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Lol, ironic that I was reading the old draft thread and we argued over that aspect of his game.


I remember that. I'm pretty sure I said what I said because you said mobility. And I just took in more in the Mike Vick sense. If that isn't it, I just didn't watch enough. The more I've seen, the more it sticks out.

[RaiderFan]

I was refering to his tendancy to attempt to break off sacks, all while carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. While it makes for exciting plays in college, in the NFL it turns into Sack/Strip. He has no clue as to ball security, because he never needed it before. Carr knew how to take a sack, Russell doesn't, and that's gonna hurt the team.

And that improvement would have been more impressive if A) the Chargers weren't coasting on backups for a good chunk of the game. and B) if either of those teams were top five defenses. The Jags were 12th, and the Bolts 14th, IN THE LEAGUE.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php
A)accroding to this site SD was 2nd and jax was 8th in pass defense.
And if you watched the SD game you would know they played there starters because they were competing for the 3rd seed of the AFC with the Steelers.

[RaiderFan]

Anyway non the less, i am not big into stats and Rankings i watched the games with my own eyes and saw a BIG DIFFERENCE, the stats merely support my opinion.

[DragonFireKai]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php
A)accroding to this site SD was 2nd and jax was 8th in pass defense.

I was unaware that 8th is in the top 5. Did they make that change at the same time as they declared Pluto was no longer a planet?

And if you watched the SD game you would know they played there starters because they were competing for the 3rd seed of the AFC with the Steelers.

They benched their starters wholesale halfway through the 3rd quarter. Russell wasn't playing very good until that point.

[RaiderFan]

I was unaware that 8th is in the top 5. Did they make that change at the same time as they declared Pluto was no longer a planet?



They benched their starters wholesale halfway through the 3rd quarter. Russell wasn't playing very good until that point.
Thats not True i have the game on Torrent seen it many times you are wrong. They played the starters until the Steelers and baltimore game was decided. The pitt vs. Balt game ended late (4min left) in the 4th Quarter then they pulled there players.

[DragonFireKai]

Thats not True i have the game on Torrent seen it many times you are wrong. They played the starters until the Steelers and baltimore game was decided. The pitt vs. Balt game ended late (4min left) in the 4th Quarter then they pulled there players.

Why don't you watch it again. Check when Michael Turner and Darren Sproles started getting carries. Check when Billy Volek started taking snaps. Check when Tim Dobbins and Jyles Tucker started playing. It was with just under 9 minutes in the third.

[RaiderFan]

Why don't you watch it again. Check when Michael Turner and Darren Sproles started getting carries. Check when Billy Volek started taking snaps. Check when Tim Dobbins and Jyles Tucker started playing. It was with just under 9 minutes in the third.

Dude, Cromartie,jammer,and there starters were in the game. Tucker played the last 8games and Dobbins played in all 16 games. Are you saying they weren't trying? Freebies? WOW

Billy volek didn't come into the game until the last Drive. after Russell threw the Touchdown pass in the 3rd Quarter the score was 17-24 and they needed to win the game so they wouldn't have to play Jax in the playoffs.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80599718
Maybe you should watch the game again.
Dam this thread got highjacked

[DragonFireKai]

Dude, Cromartie,jammer,and there starters were in the game. Tucker played the last 8games and Dobbins played in all 16 games. Are you saying they weren't trying? Freebies? WOW

Tuck and Dobbins were backups. They only came in when someone was injured, or the game was out of reach. When they come on the field, and stay on the field, then the Chargers aren't trying.

Billy volek didn't come into the game until the last Drive. after Russell threw the Touchdown pass in the 3rd Quarter the score was 17-24 and they needed to win the game so they wouldn't have to play Jax in the playoffs.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80599718
Maybe you should watch the game again.
Dam this thread got highjacked

Go back, and watch who's throwing passes at 11 minutes to go in the 4th.

[RaiderFan]

Tuck and Dobbins were backups. They only came in when someone was injured, or the game was out of reach. When they come on the field, and stay on the field, then the Chargers aren't trying.

Billy volek didn't come into the game until the last Drive. after Russell threw the Touchdown pass in the 3rd Quarter the score was 17-24 and they needed to win the game so they wouldn't have to play Jax in the playoffs.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80599718
Maybe you should watch the game again.
Dam this thread got highjacked

Go back, and watch who's throwing passes at 11 minutes to go in the 4th.

Russell scored in the 3rd when the starters were in the game.
there, i win

Oh yeah i want chris clemons back :)

[DragonFireKai]

Russell scored in the 3rd when the starters were in the game.
there, i win

And yet Dobbins and Tucker and Turner and other backups were in halfway through the third. I don't think who was playing QB has much an influence on Russell's performance.

Oh yeah i want chris clemons back :)

Not happening.

[bigbluedefense]

Let's forget about the player for a second. Let's look at this strictly from a financial perspective.


Nobody can honestly tell me this was a good deal for the Falcons. How can you say that when they offered the 3rd pick in the draft more guaranteed money than the 1st pick? How does that make any sense? How is that a good deal for the Falcons? They basically had the 1st pick in the draft by doing this, bc they shelled out more money (both guaranteed and incentive laden) for the #3 pick compared to the 1.

So how is that a smart move? How does that make any sense? You think theyd learn their lesson with Vick, but they just did the same thing over again. They overpaid when they had absolutely no reason to do so. Then Blank's dumbass says this deal reflects the character of Ryan bc he got signed on time. WTF did you expect Blank? You just paid him more than the #1 pick in the draft, you expect him to turn that down?

Again, id love to hear how that made any sense.

[Hwoarang]

He'll get cut loose far faster than Carr did.

You can't believe this. I mean his contract alone wouldn't allow the Raiders to get rid of him before Carr did. Seriously dude.

Because of the bad tendencies that he picked up at LSU, he'll be a lot more destructive to the team. Jimbo doesn't team bad tendencies. Yeah he had such bad tendencies in Tennessee when he led LSU from behind. Or in Bama when he won the game there too. JR's a leader and he has no O Line or WR's. I'd say you do the math but I can't count on you to do it properly.

He got sacked 6 times last season. He fumbled on 4 of them. Even during Carr's rookie season, when he got sacked 76 times, he only fumbled a little more than once every 4 sacks.Really irrelevant to the discussion.

How can you say that when they offered the 3rd pick in the draft more guaranteed money than the 1st pick? I keep hearing people say it's because he's a QB.

[TheGreatEscape]

Let's forget about the player for a second. Let's look at this strictly from a financial perspective.


Nobody can honestly tell me this was a good deal for the Falcons. How can you say that when they offered the 3rd pick in the draft more guaranteed money than the 1st pick? How does that make any sense? How is that a good deal for the Falcons? They basically had the 1st pick in the draft by doing this, bc they shelled out more money (both guaranteed and incentive laden) for the #3 pick compared to the 1.

So how is that a smart move? How does that make any sense? You think theyd learn their lesson with Vick, but they just did the same thing over again. They overpaid when they had absolutely no reason to do so. Then Blank's dumbass says this deal reflects the character of Ryan bc he got signed on time. WTF did you expect Blank? You just paid him more than the #1 pick in the draft, you expect him to turn that down?

Again, id love to hear how that made any sense.

He was signed for 6 years instead 5 and so his bonus is less of cap hit. Plus one's a QB and the other is a RT. And the team needed a leader on O asap.

[DragonFireKai]

You can't believe this. I mean his contract alone wouldn't allow the Raiders to get rid of him before Carr did. Seriously dude.

Carr lasted five seasons, strictly due to the excuse that he didn't have a line. Most first round QBs get jettisoned after 3 or 4 seasons if they don't produce. With Al Davis, who knows, Russell might get cut after one game.

Jimbo doesn't team bad tendencies. Yeah he had such bad tendencies in Tennessee when he led LSU from behind. Or in Bama when he won the game there too. JR's a leader and he has no O Line or WR's. I'd say you do the math but I can't count on you to do it properly.

Really irrelevant to the discussion.

It's the crux of my point. He has no clue how to secure the ball. In college, it turned into plays like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw). In the pros, it turns into this.

http://i1.chargers.com/assets/216/38520_282wh.jpg

He fumbles nearly every time he gets sacked in the pros because he doesn't secure the ball. He's going to be sacked quite a bit in Oakland, and that's gonna translate into a serious fumbling problem.

[BamaFalcon59]

Let's forget about the player for a second. Let's look at this strictly from a financial perspective.


Nobody can honestly tell me this was a good deal for the Falcons. How can you say that when they offered the 3rd pick in the draft more guaranteed money than the 1st pick? How does that make any sense? How is that a good deal for the Falcons? They basically had the 1st pick in the draft by doing this, bc they shelled out more money (both guaranteed and incentive laden) for the #3 pick compared to the 1.

So how is that a smart move? How does that make any sense? You think theyd learn their lesson with Vick, but they just did the same thing over again. They overpaid when they had absolutely no reason to do so. Then Blank's dumbass says this deal reflects the character of Ryan bc he got signed on time. WTF did you expect Blank? You just paid him more than the #1 pick in the draft, you expect him to turn that down?

Again, id love to hear how that made any sense.

It happens often. Position does matter. Bush and Young made more than Mario. Quinn more than many above him. Etc.

[bigbluedefense]

Bush only got a several hundred thousand more guaranteed than Williams, and Quinn, while he received more than your regular 22nd pick, was not making millions more.

This is a difference of 4.75 million. thats a significant difference that was totally unnecessary.

I understand that they believe in Ryan, ill agree to disagree with them on that, but the money aspect of this makes no sense.

[d34ng3l021]

The money aspect of it makes no sense.

[bigbluedefense]

well, on a positive note, i really like Sam Baker :) I think he was a steal. ive been a big fan of his for a long time now.

[BamaFalcon59]

I'll give Matt Ryan that three million if it prevents a holdout. He needed to be in camp day one.

[Hwoarang]

Carr lasted five seasons, strictly due to the excuse that he didn't have a line. Most first round QBs get jettisoned after 3 or 4 seasons if they don't produce. With Al Davis, who knows, Russell might get cut after one game.



It's the crux of my point. He has no clue how to secure the ball. In college, it turned into plays like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw). In the pros, it turns into this.

http://i1.chargers.com/assets/216/38520_282wh.jpg

He fumbles nearly every time he gets sacked in the pros because he doesn't secure the ball. He's going to be sacked quite a bit in Oakland, and that's gonna translate into a serious fumbling problem.That pic isn't even a sack. It's the DL stripping the ball while JR attempts to throw it.

[DragonFireKai]

That pic isn't even a sack. It's the DL stripping the ball while JR attempts to throw it.

It was a sack and lost fumble. Don't believe me, check the play by play. Look up the other three times he got stripped on sacks. Just watch him play, go back to his time at LSU, he always carried the ball unsecured in one hand.

[661rep]

JR i think will prove many people wrong .... he has been getting neg rep rumored to be lazy , blowing up to 300lbs , and stupid but he has shown just the opposite. Few games he played last year he was comfortable in the pocket and made very smart throws for being just a rookie. He has been working on improving him self with the coaches in the off season plus the rumor he ballooned up to 300lbs was false. He will be a more a vocal leader in time, leadership is something u gain you cant just come in the rookie and expect to become that leader that people want you to be right away it takes time. You always lead by example first then vocal leadership comes afterwards you have to gain trust in all the vets first on the playing field.

This picture was taken today (5-22-08) I think its safe to say that J. Russell did NOT balloon to 300lbs. In fact, he looks like hes in good shape and Kiffin was telling the truth.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h72/ponarona/JaMarcus_Russell.jpg

[Zbikowski_9]

Matt Ryan's deal makes the 'over paying' for Jarred Allen argument look a bit silly now lol. Thats a whole lotta dollars for an average QB prospect

[BamaFalcon59]

Matt Ryan's deal makes the 'over paying' for Jarred Allen argument look a bit silly now lol. Thats a whole lotta dollars for an average QB prospect

I think it is safe to say an average QB prospect does not go pick three overall. A average QB prospect gos on day two.

[umphrey]

I think it is safe to say an average QB prospect does not go pick three overall. A average QB prospect gos on day two.

A lot of other drafts he wouldn't have gone that high. Personally I thought he was maybe an early 20's grade, but the best QB goes off the board early a lot. Maybe NFL teams felt differently though.

[broth223]

I think it is safe to say an average QB prospect does not go pick three overall. A average QB prospect gos on day two.

I would say that very pedestrian or even bad QB prospects have gone in the top 5. Off the top of my head Joey Harrington.

[BamaFalcon59]

A lot of other drafts he wouldn't have gone that high. Personally I thought he was maybe an early 20's grade, but the best QB goes off the board early a lot. Maybe NFL teams felt differently though.

Most 'analysts' have him right with the top QBs of the past few years. Personally, I would take Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, and maybe Jay Cutler over him as far as prospects the past few years, back to Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers. As my QB of the future, the only one I would definitely take over him is Young. And again, maybe Cutler.

[BamaFalcon59]

I would say that very pedestrian or even bad QB prospects have gone in the top 5. Off the top of my head Joey Harrington.

I would say you are wrong. He might be a bad QB, but he wasn't a bad prospect.

People confuse the two things very often.

Oh, Levi Brown was a way better prospect than Robert Gallery. Well, no he was not. Gallery, like Harrington, was a very good prospect coming out.

[broth223]

I would say you are wrong. He might be a bad QB, but he wasn't a bad prospect.

People confuse the two things very often.

Oh, Levi Brown was a way better prospect than Robert Gallery. Well, no he was not. Gallery, like Harrington, was a very good prospect coming out.

Not to be a jerk or anything but how do you define good prospect?

[BamaFalcon59]

Not to be a jerk or anything but how do you define good prospect?

A good prospect is a player who is expected to do well in the league. Otherwise they wouldn't be drafted so high. If you are expected to do well you go higher than a player who is not expected to do well.

[broth223]

A good prospect is a player who is expected to do well in the league. Otherwise they wouldn't be drafted so high. If you are expected to do well you go higher than a player who is not expected to do well.

So draft position is the only criterion for prospect goodness? Or is press and fan thinking involved.

[BamaFalcon59]

So draft position is the only criterion for prospect goodness? Or is press and fan thinking involved.

Well if there is universal agreement between knowlegable people, and just about all of them agreed that Ryan was worthy of a top spot, then I would say he is a fine prospect.

[nobodyinparticular]

While Russel has great potential I don't think he's going to be a better QB and leader than Ryan, Cutler, VY, Eli, Rivers or Big Ben (although he was similar to a less assertive big ben).

My gripe with him is a just don't see a standout leader who can carry the team despite his supporting cast. In the right situations he could put up rediculous stats, but he won't succeed without quality weapons like McNabb and Brady have. Nor do I expect him to pullof the great clutch play to lead his team to victory.

You mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw&feature=related

Or when he made the 4th down pass to Doucet against Tennessee to keep the game winning drive alive? Or the TD pass with 14 seconds left to win the game?

What does a leader look like to you? Is it a guy who comes in 2 months before anyone else to go over plays with the head coach and offensive coordinator? Is it a guy who comes in to OTAs and mini-camp practices 2 hours earlier than anyone else and stays 3 hours later to continue to run drills and go over the playbook with the coaches? Is it a guy who everyone sees as working his butt off more than anyone else on the team? Because that's Jamarcus Russell this season. That's what he's been doing.

So everyone who questions Russell's heart or desire to play the game or his leadership, you might want to re-think that.

[D-Unit]

Do people realize he's getting paid more than Tony Romo who signed a 6 year, 67.4M deal?

This Ryan deal makes me laugh at the Falcons. I love it! Just love it!

[broth223]

Do people realize he's getting paid more than Tony Romo who signed a 6 year, 67.4M deal?

This Ryan deal makes me laugh at the Falcons. I love it! Just love it!

This is true regardless of your thoughts on Romo you can't really justify paying a rookie the same amount as a pro bowler.

[BamaFalcon59]

Yeah, it's not that that is the way the league is going, paying rookies a lot, it is that the Falcons are dumb.

Some of you lack common sense.

[Geo]

Do people realize he's getting paid more than Tony Romo who signed a 6 year, 67.4M deal?

This Ryan deal makes me laugh at the Falcons. I love it! Just love it!
Again, this should already be understood, but the 72M reported is the max value of the contract. That's if Ryan hits all of his incentives and triggers, part and parcel of a rookie contract - especially a Top 5 rookie contract. Romo's contract doesn't bear near as much of a burden in this regard.

It's like how Cedric Benson, although a former 5th overall pick in 05, actually doesn't have big salaries so far to warrant a release. He's being paid the base value as opposed to the max (potential) value.

[DragonFireKai]

Again, this should already be understood, but the 72M reported is the max value of the contract. That's if Ryan hits all of his incentives and triggers.

That could be said of any contract.

[Geo]

Moreso rookie contracts though, I think one can safely say.

Romo's base salaries, or Marc Bulger's for that matter or anyone else, are what they are in all likelihood.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Yeah, it's not that that is the way the league is going, paying rookies a lot, it is that the Falcons are dumb.

Some of you lack common sense.well actually its both.

[BamaFalcon59]

well actually its both.

Gosh, do I have to bring up Raiders stupidity with contracts?

Also, the Falcons are generally dumb, but paying four mil extra so a guy can be in camp day one is the smart thing to do.

[RaiderFan]

Falcons overpaid BIGTIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paranoidmoonduck]

In the end, this contract may be one of the biggest parts of a rookie pay scale being implemented, so it may end up being a good thing.

Sure, it's a massive block of money. Potentially 11 million more (2.75 more guaranteed) than JaMarcus Russell got. But it has people talking in a way that Levi Brown's contract last year (1 year longer and 20 million richer than Joe Thomas' contract) didn't manage. And by current standards, it really isn't that bad for the Falcons. They get their guy into camp and don't have to mess with all the coming issues about work stoppage that will arise in contract disputes.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Gosh, do I have to bring up Raiders stupidity with contracts?

Also, the Falcons are generally dumb, but paying four mil extra so a guy can be in camp day one is the smart thing to do.
Go ahead because compared to the Falcons, Al Davis has looked like a genius this offseason.

We've already gone over this and the Hall,Walker,Kelly,and Wilson signings were all better than Ryans signing.

[BamaFalcon59]

Go ahead because compared to the Falcons, Al Davis has looked like a genius this offseason.

We've already gone over this and the Hall,Walker,Kelly,and Wilson signings were all better than Ryans signing.

Of course they were! Let's make four players overpaid instead of one! We're much smarter! Not to mention average players.

[broth223]

Yeah, it's not that that is the way the league is going, paying rookies a lot, it is that the Falcons are dumb.

Some of you lack common sense.

Come on paying a lot is one thing paying a rookie pro bowl money is another. Granted I do not know what the escalators are and some of those could be so completely impossible to attain that there is no way the Falcons pay that much. I would be willing to assume that it is no more than 10% of the contract is made in these impossible incentives. so you are paying an unproven rookie pro bowl money. Even you've got to admit that thats wrong. Not saying that The Falcons were 100% stupid for doing so because lets face it the nature of this beast would make it so that there would be a lengthy hold out and they would save a few Mil. in the large scale of things it just isn't worth it.

[Zbikowski_9]

I think it is safe to say an average QB prospect does not go pick three overall. A average QB prospect gos on day two.

Would Matt Rayan have been chosen there if he had been in a year with players like Lienart, V. Young, Cutler or even Brady Quinn. In my opinion he is the best in an averafe class, and thus in comparison to other years he is an average prospect ans far as first rounders go

[BamaFalcon59]

Would Matt Rayan have been chosen there if he had been in a year with players like Lienart, V. Young, Cutler or even Brady Quinn. In my opinion he is the best in an averafe class, and thus in comparison to other years he is an average prospect ans far as first rounders go

According to most he is up there with Russell and Young. Quinn was vastly overrated, and he would have been selected over Leinart and probably Cutler. Behind Russell and Young.

[BamaFalcon59]

Come on paying a lot is one thing paying a rookie pro bowl money is another. Granted I do not know what the escalators are and some of those could be so completely impossible to attain that there is no way the Falcons pay that much. I would be willing to assume that it is no more than 10% of the contract is made in these impossible incentives. so you are paying an unproven rookie pro bowl money. Even you've got to admit that thats wrong. Not saying that The Falcons were 100% stupid for doing so because lets face it the nature of this beast would make it so that there would be a lengthy hold out and they would save a few Mil. in the large scale of things it just isn't worth it.

No, I really don't. Is Jake Long not getting probowl money? Russell? Bush? All top five picks? The fact is the salary cap increases, and many of you are ignorant to that. Rookies also demand much more. Sure, we could have made him bite on 68 million. Why the hell would we waste months of development, months that we need him there, for less than a million per year over six years? Makes plenty of sense to give him that four mil.

[Zbikowski_9]

According to most he is up there with Russell and Young. Quinn was vastly overrated, and he would have been selected over Leinart and probably Cutler. Behind Russell and Young.

Most? i have never heard that statement from anyone bar you. All i have heard is that he is the top of an average class. I would still be satisfied to have, and I think it is a good fit for the Falcs, but i think you are kidding yourself if you think he is one of the best prospects in recent years

[broth223]

No, I really don't. Is Jake Long not getting probowl money? Russell? Bush? All top five picks? The fact is the salary cap increases, and many of you are ignorant to that. Rookies also demand much more. Sure, we could have made him bite on 68 million. Why the hell would we waste months of development, months that we need him there, for less than a million per year over six years? Makes plenty of sense to give him that four mil.

I agree with that. I said all that in my post it is still wrong. The whole league does it and it is wrong. My final thought on the matter is. Does Ryan (or any other rookie) deserve to be paid as much as a pro bowl player of the same position? No. Are the Falcons stupid for doing it? No. Why? because the rest of the league does it. I concede that point. 4 Mil over 6 years is chicken feed to an NFL club. I guess people are picking on the Falcons because the resounding sentiment in the forums is that Matt Ryan is not a top 3 pick. If you recall in most mocks I've seen where the Falcons were given Matt Ryan most always there was a Falcon fan saying "We don't want Ryan" hell regardless of where he fell there were people saying that they don't want Ryan in the first round. Yes I know I know... Fans know jack compared to real NFL scouts. Yes fans booed McNabb when he was picked (I boo him to this day). But the point really is that most fans, me included (Not the pro scouts) don't see why Matt Ryan is that much better than the second best QB prospect to warrent him being picked nearly half a round before the next guy. This is the real reason why people are saying that the Falcons over paid and they are not saying it about teams like the Phins and Raiders.

[BamaFalcon59]

Most? i have never heard that statement from anyone bar you. All i have heard is that he is the top of an average class. I would still be satisfied to have, and I think it is a good fit for the Falcs, but i think you are kidding yourself if you think he is one of the best prospects in recent years

Oh, so you must read these boards above all else. Because by Kiper, McShay, Jaws, Mayock, etc. he is up there with them. I don't know what scouts think, because they don't say those things. But you are obviously ignorant of what people have said. Not to mention you say he is 'average', even though the Falcons valued him with pick 3, the Ravens with pick 8, a 2nd rounder, and more, and many other teams.

[BamaFalcon59]

I agree with that. I said all that in my post it is still wrong. The whole league does it and it is wrong. My final thought on the matter is. Does Ryan (or any other rookie) deserve to be paid as much as a pro bowl player of the same position? No. Are the Falcons stupid for doing it? No. Why? because the rest of the league does it. I concede that point. 4 Mil over 6 years is chicken feed to an NFL club. I guess people are picking on the Falcons because the resounding sentiment in the forums is that Matt Ryan is not a top 3 pick. If you recall in most mocks I've seen where the Falcons were given Matt Ryan most always there was a Falcon fan saying "We don't want Ryan" hell regardless of where he fell there were people saying that they don't want Ryan in the first round. Yes I know I know... Fans know jack compared to real NFL scouts. Yes fans booed McNabb when he was picked (I boo him to this day). But the point really is that most fans, me included (Not the pro scouts) don't see why Matt Ryan is that much better than the second best QB prospect to warrent him being picked nearly half a round before the next guy. This is the real reason why people are saying that the Falcons over paid and they are not saying it about teams like the Phins and Raiders.

I'm not going to argue with people over how good of a prospect he is.

But I was just irritated that people were acting as if the Falcons severely overpayed in comparison to other rookies. It is wrong, but that is the way the league works.

[D-Unit]

If cutting him is so easy, what are the cap implications if he is cut in Year 4, 5, and 6?

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Of course they were! Let's make four players overpaid instead of one! We're much smarter! Not to mention average players.
Yep, Hall,Wilson,Kelly, and Walker are all average.:rolleyes:
But thats more than you can say for Ryan.

No one is argueing rookies are overpaid. Its a well known fact. But paying the #3 overall pick more than any other #1 overall pick is ridiculous.It doesnt matter what happened in 06 with Williams,Bush and Young.People could argue that Bush and Young were both better prospects than Williams. Ryan isnt a better prospect than Long.Although some Falcon and BC homers may try and argue that.Not many others would.
The fact of the matter is that the Falcons never needed to pay him that much money.They probably could have payed him more around Long or Russells contract and still could have got him into camp day one.

[LonghornsLegend]

Falcons sure are spending alot of money on unproven commodities, I hope for their sake it works out because it can cripple your franchise...Really I don't think anyone should complain about overpaying because each year players get paid more, that are not better, thats how things are set up now...My only thing is, you can't complain about a proven guy getting paid too much when you are shelling out almost 100 million in guys that you don't know what your getting.


I would much rather over pay for somebody who you know what you get, versus tying up all this money with the hope that he pans out...I would of much rathered spent big money on Dorsey, but its too early to criticize, in a few years we might be saying they made the right choice.

[BBIB]

Thank God we finally have a rookie without the big head. Excellent move by Ryan and the Falcons - the Vick era is dead and they can move on week 1 with Ryan under centre. If only more rookies took this attitude and actually proved themselves on the NFL field before holding out for the big bucks.

LOL.

How many rookies went from thinking of another career their Junior season to a record breaking rookie contract offer?


Matt Ryan was riding the wave of hype since this November and I don't blame him.


He didn't show up at the Senior Bowl because he knew if the scouts were drinking this kool-aid, he didn't want to do anything to mess with this magical ride that really all started against the prevent defense of Virginia Tech.

[BamaFalcon59]

Yep, Hall,Wilson,Kelly, and Walker are all average.:rolleyes:
But thats more than you can say for Ryan.

No one is argueing rookies are overpaid. Its a well known fact. But paying the #3 overall pick more than any other #1 overall pick is ridiculous.It doesnt matter what happened in 06 with Williams,Bush and Young.People could argue that Bush and Young were both better prospects than Williams. Ryan isnt a better prospect than Long.Although some Falcon and BC homers may try and argue that.Not many others would.
The fact of the matter is that the Falcons never needed to pay him that much money.They probably could have payed him more around Long or Russells contract and still could have got him into camp day one.

Oh they didn't? Really. Hmm. He would have still been in camp day one? Amazing. So where do you get all this info. If you really know all of this then you should be a general manager!

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He was expected to be the messiah of the Saints and be the biggest big play threat the NFL has seen in a number of years. So far he has averaged 3.7 yards per carry in his career and his longest run in his 312 regular season carries is 22 yards. He has had 161 regular season receptions and only four touchdowns on the bunch. He has only averaged 7.2 yards per reception in his career, 5.7 last year. 5.7 is about what you would expect his yard per carry to be, but that is 3.7. On 473 touches total for his regular season career he has only fourteen touchdowns.

I would say he has been a disappointment to date.

Well anyone who could see through the media hype machine could see that Reggie Bush had All Americans at just about every position around him and was a better receiver than he was a RB and when he was a RB was far better off tackle than between the tackles despite the gaping holes the line created for him.

He also ran for 2 yards or 20. Very inconsistent. But at least Bush had the numbers. And least he had the 4.33 speed


Matt Ryan has received unprecedented hype for someone who is average across the board in terms of talent and production.