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bucknut12
02-28-2007, 01:00 AM
Yeah, well...i'm a die hard Cleveland fan. I was just wondering what NFL franchises are the most embarrassing and pathetic to you. To you, is Cleveland really that pathetic?!

swagger
02-28-2007, 01:06 AM
I think the Cardinals are pretty pathetic. Hopefully they can get over that hump.

diabsoule
02-28-2007, 01:12 AM
I think the Detroit Lions are the most embarrassing franchise, but if you want to look at weapons a team possesses and are constant underachievers then look no further than the Arizona Cardinals.

49ersfan_87
02-28-2007, 01:23 AM
Lions. Without a doubt. Why did they keep millen? Why? He hasnt done anything.

I think another surprising but not really viable candidate would be the chargers. They have the best player in the NFL currently,and had the leagues best record. They dont have a playoff win to show for it and their entire coaching staff is gone, that too a week or two before the combine. Who did they hire? Norv Turner.

Just a bizarre turn of events and its embarassing in my opinion. But not the most.

locseti
02-28-2007, 01:37 AM
Lions. Without a doubt. Why did they keep millen? Why? He hasnt done anything.

I think another surprising but not really viable candidate would be the chargers. They have the best player in the NFL currently,and had the leagues best record. They dont have a playoff win to show for it and their entire coaching staff is gone, that too a week or two before the combine. Who did they hire? Norv Turner.

Just a bizarre turn of events and its embarassing in my opinion. But not the most.


You're wrong, Millen's done plenty to set this franchise back several decades.

Severe Punishment
02-28-2007, 01:46 AM
On the field it's the Arizona Cardinals and it's not that close. At least Cleveland has made a few title games over their franchise's history.

2nd would be Detroit and then ...for the Bronze would be the Cleveland Browns.


Off the field it's the Dallas Cowboys in a landslide that would wipe out 1/2 of this country.

Caddy
02-28-2007, 03:05 AM
Detroit.. No qeustion about it.. Thank Millen for that

niel89
02-28-2007, 03:44 AM
well normally i would say arizona but they are looking good. but they allways look like they are gonna be good

then you have the browns who are bad, but they have been in the playoffs. sadly they were the ones getting ran over on The Drive.

The lions. well millen has really had that team not doing much. i dont know about their past so i dont know.

ill go with cleaveland because im a ravens fan and i like beating them.

roidrunner
02-28-2007, 06:46 AM
in order:

Lions
Cleveland
Oakland
Arizona

NIN1984
02-28-2007, 07:06 AM
The past 4 years yeah Raiders has been sad but all time would go to the Cards or the Lions

roidrunner
02-28-2007, 07:08 AM
all these teams have had a major NFL bust in the last 4 or 5 years. but all time would be the saints.

eacantdraft
02-28-2007, 07:24 AM
Lions, Raidahs, Cardinals, Browns

bearsfan_51
02-28-2007, 08:23 AM
I have a hard time even enjoying the Lions suckage anymore. They are beyond terrible.

I don't see Cleveland as that bad. Sure they've never won a Superbowl, but historically they are still a much better franchise than say, the Saints or even the Falcons.

njx9
02-28-2007, 08:51 AM
not cleveland. those were some great teams in the 90's that nearly went to a super bowl. the lions have, essentially, never so much as sniffed a super bowl. the saints hadn't ever even won a playoff game until recently.

eacantdraft
02-28-2007, 08:54 AM
not cleveland. those were some great teams in the 90's that nearly went to a super bowl. the lions have, essentially, never so much as sniffed a super bowl. the saints hadn't ever even won a playoff game until recently.

Oh great football guru, could you provide some examples of the great Cleveland teams in the 90's. I'm waiting.

duckseason
02-28-2007, 08:54 AM
Yeah, if you're fans sport paper bags over their heads, I think "embarrassing" might be a word you'd use.

HawkeyeFan
02-28-2007, 08:56 AM
The biggest embarassement? Without a doubt Detroit Lions, second inline is the Cardinals (They atleast have weapons in place to be dominate).

roidrunner
02-28-2007, 08:56 AM
yea i think that takes the cake. bags over your head at a game. didnt the saints also used to do that?

njx9
02-28-2007, 08:57 AM
Oh great football guru, could you provide some examples of the great Cleveland teams in the 90's. I'm waiting.

wow, i accidentally typed 90 instead of 80. boy, great gotcha!

duckseason
02-28-2007, 08:59 AM
yea i think that takes the cake. bags over your head at a game. didnt the saints also used to do that?
Yeah that's who I was talking about.

roidrunner
02-28-2007, 09:04 AM
so does the lions now. so i guess they are in the same boat.

JF4
02-28-2007, 09:05 AM
I think it has to be the Lions for sure over the last 5 years.

bigbluedefense
02-28-2007, 09:40 AM
I have a hard time even enjoying the Lions suckage anymore. They are beyond terrible.

I don't see Cleveland as that bad. Sure they've never won a Superbowl, but historically they are still a much better franchise than say, the Saints or even the Falcons.

Anyone who kills the Browns doesn't understand the deep history of that team, and the success it had. Paul Brown had immense success with them, they produced HOF talent, Schottenheimer brought them to respectability in the 80s, they are a decent team. I can name a decent amount of franchises out there that historically haven't had the success the Browns had.

Its a shame that a lot of the younger Browns fans don't have an appreciation for the history of their team. This is a storied franchise we're talking about.

Sveen
02-28-2007, 09:42 AM
Detroit Lions

Tubby
02-28-2007, 09:51 AM
Lions and Cards.

TitleTown088
02-28-2007, 09:59 AM
I feel bad for the Lions even thought they are in the same division as the Packers. I would actually like to see them do well for a change.

Cards have been a joke ever since i can remember too.

DonWoods33
02-28-2007, 10:02 AM
Oh great football guru, could you provide some examples of the great Cleveland teams in the 90's. I'm waiting.



I think he meant the 80s. Lead by one Martin Schottenheimer, with Bernie Kosar running the offense. These things run in cycles, Tampa Bay was once the joke of the league, along with Cinn., now TB has a Superbowl win, but is falling back again. Cinn seems to be making progress after 12 bad years. SD, AZ, even the Jets and Pats were once total jokes. The older proud Bear's fans properly remember the Abe Gidron, Bobby Douglas days too. The Lions might finally get something done once Millen is canned. To me it all goes back to the owner, if he sucks then the team will too.

myinnerself
02-28-2007, 10:39 AM
The Lions are bad NOW, but the all time winner is the Saints I do believe. Didn't they just win their first playoff game? Honestly I think Oakland is more embarrassing than the Lions, because they can't even find coaches. Do you know how many people have straight up declined to even interview for the job? On top of that a college Quarterbacks Coach with no head coaching experience declined the job. Add to that Aaron Brooks, Robert Gallery, Randy Moss, and Art Shell and you have the most embarrassing franchise of right now.

bearsfan_51
02-28-2007, 10:43 AM
What coaches have the Lions found?

myinnerself
02-28-2007, 10:45 AM
What coaches have the Lions found?

But no one declines the offer, they simply choose poorly.

JoeMontainya
02-28-2007, 11:19 AM
Its not that use young Browns fans dont have respect for our team, the team had no respect for us!!!!

They moved us to Baltimore, then raised the ticket prices every year despite winning less than 6 games a season. They blew all of our picks (Couch<Mcnabb)(Warren<Tomlinson) and the list goes on.

Our stadium has continually sold out over the years, and what did they do? Move our favorite NFL team.

They had no respect.

Thank god Phil Savage is bringing it back.

terribletowel39
02-28-2007, 11:27 AM
the steagles. they sucked major donkey balls.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-28-2007, 11:50 AM
If we're talking about all-time, it would be best to do this by all-time winning percentage.

Team Winning Percentage (not including postseason)
1. Texans .300 (maybe unfair because the franchise is still pretty new)
2a. Saints .409
2b. Falcons .409
3. Cardinals .412
4. Bengals .439
5. Jets .455

Lions would be #8 on the list, if anybody was wondering.

roidrunner
02-28-2007, 12:15 PM
wow that is an interesting fact. where did you get that information?? i want to see where all teams rank, and who is the winningest team of all time.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-28-2007, 12:20 PM
wow that is an interesting fact. where did you get that information?? i want to see where all teams rank, and who is the winningest team of all time.

http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/default/W-L_Start_of_2007_Final.pdf

Geo
02-28-2007, 12:28 PM
The Falcons have never in franchise history had consecutive winning seasons. That's not exactly a bright spot to look back on.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
02-28-2007, 12:49 PM
Lions do have a very poor history with only one playoff win and very few playoff attempts in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Lions actually won some championships in the 50s though.

However, in the 90s we were a decent team. Then Millen ruined it.
Lions made the playoffs 6 out 10 years in the 90s. Once in 1999 without Barry Sanders.
Lions were 9-7 in 2000 and just missed the playoffs.
Then Millen took over in 2001 and destroyed the team.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=108650

The Detroit Millens stink.

PACKmanN
02-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Is it in history or now because u cant put the Loins on that list if its history.

Im_a_Romosexual
02-28-2007, 01:29 PM
All-timethe saints are the most pathetic. If this was asked last year I think everybody would say the saints because before this year they won 1 playoff game in franchise history. Currently the lions are most embarrassing

lionsfan320
02-28-2007, 01:35 PM
I feel the same way.. sure the Lions are horrible but at least at one point in history they were good. in the 50's matter of fact, there weren't 2 better teams in the world then the Browns and Lions.

Lions had 3 NFL Championships.. browns had 2 or 3. Jim Brown, Bobby Layne, Doak Walker... definitely not the worst ever.

the m,ost embarassing franchise is hands down the cardinals, with the saints being a close second. Saints only edge them out because Jim Mora had them doing pretty well in the 80's/early-mid 90's and they have been doing all right lately.

The Cardinals have sucked from Chicago to St. Louis to Phoenix so they win the award

Shiver
02-28-2007, 01:57 PM
The Cardinals, easily. At least Detroit brought the world years of Barry Sanders excellence.

zbuster
02-28-2007, 02:02 PM
Of all time, most ebarrassing is detroit, but recently gotta be raiders.

DeathbyStat
02-28-2007, 02:20 PM
Current Lions....historically the Bengals of the 1990s.

DonWoods33
02-28-2007, 02:36 PM
If we're talking about all-time, it would be best to do this by all-time winning percentage.

Team Winning Percentage (not including postseason)
1. Texans .300 (maybe unfair because the franchise is still pretty new)
2a. Saints .409
2b. Falcons .409
3. Cardinals .412
4. Bengals .439
5. Jets .455

Lions would be #8 on the list, if anybody was wondering.

Actually the list is this:

Established NFL teams from 1976 forward:
1) Tampa Bay .387
2) New Orleans .409
2) Atlanta .409
3) Arizona .412
4) Cinn. .439
5) NY Jets .455
6) Detroit .470
Regular Season only

Recent Expansion Teams
Carolina .469 since 1995 season
Jax .531 since 1995 season
Houston .300 since 2002 season

Highest Win pct (Reg Season)
1) Miami .593 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).623
2) Chicago .579
3) Dallas .572
4) Oakland .567 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).567
5) Cleve. .563
6) GB .553

Of note the Pittsburgh Steelers have only a .505 winning pct., despite a high level of play for the last 35 years (ie very few losing seasons). Prior to that they were long considered the worst team in the sport for decades.

Man_Of_Steel
02-28-2007, 02:38 PM
Raiders, Texans

BehrenMan007
02-28-2007, 03:09 PM
detroit lions.
charles rogers
joey harrington
mike williams

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
02-28-2007, 03:56 PM
Actually the list is this:

Established NFL teams from 1976 forward:
1) Tampa Bay .387
2) New Orleans .409
2) Atlanta .409
3) Arizona .412
4) Cinn. .439
5) NY Jets .455
6) Detroit .470
Regular Season only

Recent Expansion Teams
Carolina .469 since 1995 season
Jax .531 since 1995 season
Houston .300 since 2002 season

Highest Win pct (Reg Season)
1) Miami .593 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).623
2) Chicago .579
3) Dallas .572
4) Oakland .567 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).567
5) Cleve. .563
6) GB .553

Of note the Pittsburgh Steelers have only a .505 winning pct., despite a high level of play for the last 35 years (ie very few losing seasons). Prior to that they were long considered the worst team in the sport for decades.


Ahh, I missed Tampa.

49erfaithful
02-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Oakland and Detroit

ds8582
02-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Lions
Cardinals
Saints
Bengals

All have been consistently bad for a number of years. I would even say the Chargers could be up there.

jetsfan3
02-28-2007, 06:41 PM
The Lions are pretty embarrassing. Drafting 3 WRs in the top 10 3 consecutive years is beyond stupid. Also, the fact they they are keeping Millen is a complete joke. Where does the owner think he will go with Millen? It's just pathetic.

GermanSaint
02-28-2007, 06:49 PM
falcons ... its not even a debate

tjsunstein
02-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Detroit Lions. Charles Rogers. Mike Williams. Joey Harrington. And if there was a time to pick a WR it wouldve been 1998 where they chose Terry Fair over Randy Moss.

soybean
02-28-2007, 06:55 PM
Detroit Lions. Charles Rogers. Mike Williams. Joey Harrington. And if there was a time to pick a WR it wouldve been 1998 where they chose Terry Fair over Randy Moss.

that kind of tells you something about the franchise and not the players. At least they're playing in the nfc north.

p.s. can you change your sig so it doesnt say "Mershawn lynch"? Unless it was some nickname you created...

princefielder28
02-28-2007, 07:00 PM
The Arizona Cardinals, nothing to be proud of in their past

OhioState
02-28-2007, 07:09 PM
gotta be the cards have they ever even been to the playoffs?

NFLBOY
02-28-2007, 08:21 PM
not cleveland. those were some great teams in the 90's that nearly went to a super bowl. the lions have, essentially, never so much as sniffed a super bowl. the saints hadn't ever even won a playoff game until recently. The lions were in the 91 NFC championship game. I'd say that qualifies them as sniffing a superbowl. Other than that they are by far the most pathetic franchise in the superbowl era. Cleveland is right behind them along with the cardinals. Of course the Saints have to be in there also.

NFLBOY
02-28-2007, 08:21 PM
gotta be the cards have they ever even been to the playoffs? Been there a couple of times and have won only 1 game.

DonWoods33
02-28-2007, 09:12 PM
Lions
Cardinals
Saints
Bengals

All have been consistently bad for a number of years. I would even say the Chargers could be up there.

Yep, been a Charger fan since 1971, or so. They have had two owners in that time Gene Klein and the Spanos'. When they have been terrible enough they hired decent GMs, and the teams have been competitive. They are in an up cycle now. But of course recent events, shows that ownership is still an issue. The Bengals were not that bad way back in the Paul Brown days of the early 1970s, infact as an expansion team they made the playoffs in their second or third year of existance, after the old man left, and the kids took over they have been pretty much in disarray. Kind of shows you just how good Marvin Lewis really is.

JoeMontainya
02-28-2007, 09:13 PM
I remember how bad Tamp Bay was at one point. Not anymore.

DonWoods33
02-28-2007, 09:20 PM
I remember how bad Tamp Bay was at one point. Not anymore.

I dont know, 3-13 and the cupboard is looking bare. Grudog canned the old GM and brought in Allen who has not distingushed himself very well over the last few years. So they could fall back into mediocrity fairly easy, they are at a crossroads.

PalmerToCJ
02-28-2007, 09:50 PM
Bengals have at least been to 2 SB's haha.

Freakin' Joe Montana... (Granted I was 3 the last time we made the SB).

255979119
02-28-2007, 11:08 PM
The Cardinals by far, second oldest team in football history (Chicago Cardinals) and have had more cities called home to the team than playoff victories.

P-L
02-28-2007, 11:14 PM
The Lions. When the best quarterback you've had over the last 10-15 years is Scott Mitchell, you know you're bad.

Komp
02-28-2007, 11:15 PM
Anyone who says Oakland is the most embarassing has a short memory. Of course I'm extremely biased. :)

The Cardinals have to be the worst team in the league's history, and I think Tampa Bay might be in trouble in the next few years with the amount of turnover they will be having in the next 3-4 years on defense [Brooks, Barber, Rice, Quarles, Kelly. Sort of similar Oakland is going through right now on offense. No consistency = baaaad football.

PalmerToCJ
02-28-2007, 11:17 PM
The Lions. When the best quarterback you've had over the last 10-15 years is Scott Mitchell, you know you're bad.

And what you're content with a QB that has led teams to 2 and 3 win seasons (Jon Kitna).

bsaza2358
03-01-2007, 09:41 AM
I would say that the current Redskins ownership's abuse of its fan base in the form of high-priced season tickets, an overabundance of merchandise, and a mostly overwhelming lack of success on the field is very embarrassing. And btw, after another losing season and for a team that will pick #6 overall, the team raised season ticket prices another 7%...

roidrunner
03-01-2007, 09:58 AM
The Lions. When the best quarterback you've had over the last 10-15 years is Scott Mitchell, you know you're bad.

what about Eric Kramer.... he was... oh wait never mind

Maybe Next Year Millen2
03-01-2007, 10:06 AM
The Lions. When the best quarterback you've had over the last 10-15 years is Scott Mitchell, you know you're bad.


Hahaha. Yeah. The only reason Scott Mitchell was any good too was because he had Herman Moore, Morton, a great running game, Lomas Brown and Tom Moore as the O-Coordinator some of his time in Detroit.

P-L
03-01-2007, 10:35 AM
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/scarhart/mitchell.jpg

I just thought I'd post this...

Acreboy
03-01-2007, 12:07 PM
Raiders then Lions

KBear
03-01-2007, 01:50 PM
The Lions. When the best quarterback you've had over the last 10-15 years is Scott Mitchell, you know you're bad.

Maybe, but using the same arguement for the Bears, wouldn't they have to be on the list as well? A strong case could be made that Erik Kramer was the one of the, if not the best Bears QB (at the very least single season stats wise) in the same time frame, heck you could make it the last 30 years, and he was an ex Lions QB.

ChazMonk
03-01-2007, 05:00 PM
It's definetely not Cleveland. You can't just look at the last 8 years, especially being rushed back into the league like they were. They were dominant at times, with numerous NFL championships, and some damn good teams during the 80's.

My money, if you go historically, goes to the Bengals and the Cardinals, hands down.

etk
03-01-2007, 05:22 PM
Why do people make these ridiculous threads. These forums are for fun, not bashing other teams.

someone447
03-01-2007, 05:34 PM
Why do people make these ridiculous threads. These forums are for fun, not bashing other teams.

But bashing other teams IS fun. And I have got to say the '85 Bears are the most embarrassing team ever. The Super Bowl Shuffle was a travesty. Even Bear fan's can't disagree with that.

Most embarrassing team right now? Raiders. Most embarrassing for a 40 year history of their franchise? Lions. Most embarrassing of all time? Cardinals.

Diehard
03-01-2007, 05:52 PM
The Cardinals, hands down. Cursed by the guidance of the Bidwell clan, they've forged a remarkable tradition of failure. Look no further than the Monday Night game against Chicago to see the supernatural forces that are hard at work ensuring this team never tastes true success... ;)

niel89
03-01-2007, 06:42 PM
The Cardinals, hands down. Cursed by the guidance of the Bidwell clan, they've forged a remarkable tradition of failure. Look no further than the Monday Night game against Chicago to see the supernatural forces that are hard at work ensuring this team never tastes true success... ;)

you have to give the cardnals a break on that game. the bears were who they though they were. and the cardnals just let them off the hook. so just crown their ass

smittyjs
03-01-2007, 06:45 PM
falcons ... its not even a debateDid a Saints fan say something??

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-01-2007, 06:57 PM
Id have to say the Cards.Last time they were in the playoffs 98 before that 82.

Mr. Stiller
03-01-2007, 07:25 PM
I'd have to say Browns...

Instead of clinging on wins, they cling on good plays.

"Well this one time Winslow threw Porter"... Failing to mention 2 plays later, Anthony Smith, Rookie Free Safety knocked Winslow into next season.

CDub
03-02-2007, 12:16 AM
I'm not sure how many people on this site are old enough to remember the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from the pre-Dungy era. From their beginning all the way up to Tony the Bucs were far and away the most embarrasing team in the league. Not only because they were the most deprived of talent, or gave us some of the most embarrasing plays in league history, but also because up untill the mid 90's they were the proud owners of THE UGLIEST uniforms EVER.

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2007, 12:19 AM
I'm not sure how many people on this site are old enough to remember the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from the pre-Dungy era. From their beginning all the way up to Tony the Bucs were far and away the most embarrasing team in the league. Not only because they were the most deprived of talent, or gave us some of the most embarrasing plays in league history, but also because up untill the mid 90's they were the proud owners of THE UGLIEST uniforms EVER.

I felt so bad for Hardy Nickerson... those Orange Jerseys with the Pirate....

http://www.dugout-memories.com/bucyoung.jpg
http://www.autograph-supply.com/Supply/BigImage/8080326.jpg

KCJ58
03-02-2007, 12:35 AM
Oakland Raiders right now ever Caridnals, Texans (still young), and Lions

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 12:40 AM
I felt so bad for Hardy Nickerson... those Orange Jerseys with the Pirate....

http://www.dugout-memories.com/bucyoung.jpg
http://www.autograph-supply.com/Supply/BigImage/8080326.jpg

Ah yes. The bucaneers traded steve young after only 2 years. They gave him up for vinny testaverde.

Walsh looked like he got beat in that trade. Can you imagine giving a 2nd and a 4th for a QB that goes 3-16 in his first 2 seasons and is widely thought as a bust? If that happened today the GM would be widely ridiculed. That QB just ended up being one of the best of all time.

roidrunner
03-02-2007, 07:25 AM
the same could be said of wolf who took Farve for a 1st rounder. for a QB who was a partyboy, and did little to nothing in his time in ATL

bills_red
03-02-2007, 07:42 AM
I say the Browns or Cards

PoopSandwich
03-02-2007, 08:33 AM
I'd have to say Browns...

Instead of clinging on wins, they cling on good plays.

"Well this one time Winslow threw Porter"... Failing to mention 2 plays later, Anthony Smith, Rookie Free Safety knocked Winslow into next season.

Yinz should let it go already.

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 08:45 AM
I'd have to say Browns...

Instead of clinging on wins, they cling on good plays.

"Well this one time Winslow threw Porter"... Failing to mention 2 plays later, Anthony Smith, Rookie Free Safety knocked Winslow into next season.

Man, still holding a grudge how mature.

Honestly with our teams in the 80's and early 90's, we completely dont even qualify for this contest. Especialyl if you want to go back to the old days when we won 10 championships with Otto Graham.

Your looking at recent history since we got our team taken away from us and had to start all over. In which case the Steelers werent exactly golden those first few years.


All I have to say is Otto Graham and Jim Brown and were allready a better franchise than the Cardinals.