D'Brickashaw Ferguson bigger?

[jetsfan0099]

I think he is
http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/IMG_8990.jpg

The reason I posted this is more of a breakout player alert. I think he has the chance to really take a step to what he was hyped to be. I heard he is up to 320 pounds this year. Last year he came to camp at 305. His problem is his weight getting under 280 during the season.
This is the year hopefully he breaks out and becomes the player he is suppose to be.

[Addict]

I'd be surprised if he didn't do well next year, with Faneca next to him, regardless of if he gains weight or not.

[BufFan71]

Jason Peters > D'Brick




but seriously, hopefully DBrick can pan out, and play the way hes expected.
(just not against buffalo)

[JetMan]

he better start holding his weight because he has been a bust so far. i don't want to hear about the 4th overall pick in the draft having a few good games a year. that is not what he is here for. we need to shore up that line and using 1st rd picks like we have and to have our o-line play as bad as it has is disgraceful.

with that said, i have some hope for this guy this year but really doubt he will be anything special. just doesn't have that mean streak that linemen need.

[LonghornsLegend]

Did he really have that bad of a season? I barely saw any Jets games, just didn't hear too many positive things about him.

[TheIncredibleDraftDude]

His ideal playing weight is probably around 330, at that weight he could switch positions with faneca from time to time, when coaches demand it.

[themaninblack]

why would he switch positions with Faneca?

[LonghornsLegend]

why would he switch positions with Faneca?

Because like, every coach wants a player to gain/lose weight and play a new position, thats like totally the thing to do:rolleyes:

[yourfavestoner]

His ideal playing weight is probably around 330, at that weight he could switch positions with faneca from time to time, when coaches demand it.

I want to stab you in the face.

[saintsfan912]

I think everybody wants to stab that guy in the face. How is he not banned yet for his ******** posts?

[keylime_5]

Well it doesn't look like he'll ever be much of a force in the run game, nothing more than a decent run blocker on the left side...but as a pass protector he still has tons of upside. Good feet and really long arms. I don't think he'll ever be a Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, or Jon Ogden, and not even a Joe Thomas or Jason Peters, but he can should become a solid left tackle for years.

[BufFan71]

yeah, i agree with everyone else


i dont think hes gonna become that Top LT everyone was expecting
being soft in the run game, lack of a killer instict, and suspect pass blocking

imo, he'll end up being a LT that will be good, but never great

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

i hope he has put on weight, as that has been a major downfall of his up until this point. He simple cannot hold his ground when he is playing at that low weight and gets bull rushed. I just hope those knees (which in the picture don't look that strong) can handle it.

I wouldn't say he's been a bust, but he certainly hasn't lived up the expectations. He was expected to be the best pass blocking tackle to come out in a long time, and thus far has been far from it

[Crickett]

His ideal playing weight is probably around 330, at that weight he could switch positions with faneca from time to time, when coaches demand it.

Okay, now I know you're just saying this bull****. I mean, it would be one thing if you said his ideal playing weight was 270 playing TE, since that is what he was in high school and the first few years of college. But not only did you pull that out of your ***, its the opposite of the only position change that would even be feasible for Ferguson. Like the hate Torry Holt brigade, you almost had me believing that you believed the bull**** you say.

[MetSox17]

Everyone, just stop paying attention to IDD's troll posts! ****, he feeds off of that sh*t, so just don't give him anything to read. This'll be the last time i acknowledge anything he says.

Anyway, I don't understand how people can say that his shot at being an elite LT is gone. He still has all his athleticism, his body is still perfect for a Tackle, so i still believe 100% that he can play up to his potential. With a better offensive line this season, and a little confidence, i think he can be a Pro-Bowler.

[BufFan71]

Everyone, just stop paying attention to IDD's troll posts! ****, he feeds off of that sh*t, so just don't give him anything to read. This'll be the last time i acknowledge anything he says.

Anyway, I don't understand how people can say that his shot at being an elite LT is gone. He still has all his athleticism, his body is still perfect for a Tackle, so i still believe 100% that he can play up to his potential. With a better offensive line this season, and a little confidence, i think he can be a Pro-Bowler.

being a pro-bowler doesnt mean much now-a-days, its a popularity contest



your right about him having all of that, but he yet to turn the corner. he possibly had a sophmore slump this year, no1 knows. I figure he is a hard worker, and maybe he'll get it all clicking and perform

[MetSox17]

being a pro-bowler doesnt mean much now-a-days, its a popularity contest



your right about him having all of that, but he yet to turn the corner. he possibly had a sophmore slump this year, no1 knows. I figure he is a hard worker, and maybe he'll get it all clicking and perform

In the end it does mean something, because the coaches and players' input are 2/3's of the voting process.

And so long as he doesn't lose his work-ethic, he can be a stud. He has help around him now. They can have some chemistry together.

[Addict]

I think everybody wants to stab that guy in the face. How is he not banned yet for his ******** posts?

because stupidity is not a crime, unfortunately.

[jetsfan0099]

In the end it does mean something, because the coaches and players' input are 2/3's of the voting process.

And so long as he doesn't lose his work-ethic, he can be a stud. He has help around him now. They can have some chemistry together.

It doesn't mean too much, when a guy like John Lynch continues to make it year after year even though he has been washed up for a while, and a guy like Kerry Rhodes can dominate and not make it.

[jetsfan0099]

Everyone, just stop paying attention to IDD's troll posts! ****, he feeds off of that sh*t, so just don't give him anything to read. This'll be the last time i acknowledge anything he says.

Anyway, I don't understand how people can say that his shot at being an elite LT is gone. He still has all his athleticism, his body is still perfect for a Tackle, so i still believe 100% that he can play up to his potential. With a better offensive line this season, and a little confidence, i think he can be a Pro-Bowler.

I don't know either, hes only 24 years old. He looks like he is finally filling in to his body frame. When we drafted him I remember Mel Kiper saying he shouldn't be dominant until 3-4 years down the road in his career, because of him growing still and having fill up his frame.
I remember one point last year he was dominating, he had a 7 game stretch where he was great. But he fell apart later. And his run blocking is better then people give him credit for, people are acting like he is a horrible run blocker, I say hes average at it, he isn't terrible or a liability at it. With Faneca there now, he doesn't have to worry to his right, Clarke I am sure of it was the reason for a bunch of his sacks allowed.
I don't get why people are thinking he can't reach a Jason Peters level, Peters is good, but he isn't a Ogden.

[Number 10]

Still looks like he has the chicken legs that were scaring scouts prior to his draft.

[GermanSaint]

when i remember his college pictures , he gained nothing to a little more weight.... only speculation , but for a OT he looks about 20 lb to light. his arms and legs are pretty long and skinny .... i don´t know for sure

[badgerbacker]

He is always going to struggle to keep that wait on. You can tell his frame just isn't meant to be that big when you see how thin his wrists and ankles are. Obviously when I say he isn't meant to be that big it is a relative term comparing him with other tackles, since 280 lbs is a pretty big person.

[BufFan71]

It doesn't mean too much, when a guy like John Lynch continues to make it year after year even though he has been washed up for a while, and a guy like Kerry Rhodes can dominate and not make it.

exactly


donte whitner and kerry rhodes, not only put up better stats, but are better football players


yet Lynch gets the nod since everyone knows him

[Smokey Joe]

anyone know how much knee braces like the one D-Brick has cost? Cause I could use some.

[jetsfan0099]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/nunyo_demasio/05/04/dbrickashaw/p1_ferguson2.jpg
Him in college

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/IMG_9233.jpg
him now.

He is definitely bigger, at the end of his rookie season he was like 270 pounds. This year at 320 thats the biggest he has ever been, remember his game is not about being a 340 pound OT. 320 pounds is more then enough size to be a effective LT in the NFL. His lower legs are naturally skinny, that doesn't matter much, his squat is fine, he has legs strength.

[jetsfan0099]

anyone know how much knee braces like the one D-Brick has cost? Cause I could use some.

I don't know, but the Jets have all their offensive linemen wear them.

[Number 10]

Size is not what has been holding Ferguson back, it's his strength and leverage.

Be honest, none of us have access to his strength numbers thus this discussion is pointless. Looking at pictures and deciding he is bigger because of how his arms look is ridiculous. I remember someone posting a picture of Reggie Bush prior to his rookie year that made his biceps look huge and everyone started going ga-ga over him. Saying his lack of size wasn't an issue yada, yada. This discussion is reminding me of that somewhat.

[leroyisgod]

I thought I saw a stat showing he gave up more sacks than any OL last year.

[jetsfan0099]

Size is not what has been holding Ferguson back, it's his strength and leverage.

Be honest, none of us have access to his strength numbers thus this discussion is pointless. Looking at pictures and deciding he is bigger because of how his arms look is ridiculous. I remember someone posting a picture of Reggie Bush prior to his rookie year that made his biceps look huge and everyone started going ga-ga over him. Saying his lack of size wasn't an issue yada, yada. This discussion is reminding me of that somewhat.

Size has been Bricks weakness, he would go to 280 by the time the season is over, he was great the first part of last year, but fell apart later. And like I said, Brick said his plan was to get up to 320 by camp, last year he was 305 at camp. If hes at 320, he is hoping he can stay 300 all season long. And his strength has been coming along, you can definitely see him getting bigger and growing into his frame, Mangini consistently praises Brick for being a hard worker during the offseason and taking the offseason workout serious, he is at the team complex like all winter lifting.

[Number 10]

I understand this is the offseason and all you have is quotes and still pictures top form opinions on....but until I see Ferguson play well in December I'm not going to give him any props no matter how many pictures of big biceps you post here.

I liked the pick when the Jets made it but even I will admit it might have been too big of a risk because his lack of ability to sustain mass has shown no signs of improvement during a time where his body should have no problem doing so. Time will tell.

[jetsfan0099]

I thought I saw a stat showing he gave up more sacks than any OL last year.

That was due to Adrien Clarke on his right.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

That was due to Adrien Clarke on his right.

possibly, but u can't say with certainty. This year will be a big one for him no matter how u look at it.

[BufFan71]

That was due to Adrien Clarke on his right.

so because the Olinemen next to him is the reason why DBrick cant passblock?



Jason Peters in 06 gave up like 2 sacks playing next to Mike Gandy (who gave up like 12sacks)

[SenorGato]

D'Brick is alot better than people are treating him...and surprisingly alot of those people are Jets fans.

He hasn't been dominant, but considering everything...I haven't disappointed by him yet. Playing next to Adriane Clarke and friends last year sucked for him, but he still managed to find a stretch where he played very well against guys like Taylor, Cole, and Osi.

He's average as a run blocker, and I think he has the upside to be an above average one. He has the chance to be a top of the line pass protector.

[MetSox17]

anyone know how much knee braces like the one D-Brick has cost? Cause I could use some.

One of that caliber will probably run somewhere between 800-1500 dollars. Of course, if you go with a lesser known brand, maybe not as comfortable, you'll still end up paying around 300-600

[PACKmanN]

I see no differences between the two pics.

[Crickett]

I thought I saw a stat showing he gave up more sacks than any OL last year.

I would certainly like to see that, because I cannot believe that to be true.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

D'Brick is alot better than people are treating him...and surprisingly alot of those people are Jets fans.

He hasn't been dominant, but considering everything...I haven't disappointed by him yet. Playing next to Adriane Clarke and friends last year sucked for him, but he still managed to find a stretch where he played very well against guys like Taylor, Cole, and Osi.

He's average as a run blocker, and I think he has the upside to be an above average one. He has the chance to be a top of the line pass protector.

i'm not saying he's bad by any means. I am happy with having him there and believe that he can still be a top tier LT, it is within possibility. I just don't believe he's what most expected him to be, and thathe has some lapses that hurt us. I just don't believe that you can place all the blame on the person beside him, when for all we know it had very little to do with them. We will be able to tell better this year, but i don't think u can go to far either way in judging him until the 5th week of the season. People either say he's not very good, or that it was all the person beside him, neither of which i believe to be true

[jetsfan0099]

possibly, but u can't say with certainty. This year will be a big one for him no matter how u look at it.

IF you watched the games, you can say that with certainty.

[jetsfan0099]

so because the Olinemen next to him is the reason why DBrick cant passblock?



Jason Peters in 06 gave up like 2 sacks playing next to Mike Gandy (who gave up like 12sacks)

The reason Brick gave up so many sacks is not do to pass blocking, its do to lack of trust in his guy on the right, bad schemes, missed assignments, lack of a veteran leader on the line, I believe the Jets gave up the most sacks in the NFL that were unblocked sacks. That goes with players not knowing their jobs and aren't vets. Faneca will be the rock between Ferguson and Mangold, hes a 7 time probowler, who will help out. It will increase the play of Mangold and Ferguson with someone that good next to them.
You never seen Clarke play then, he is the worst linemen I ever seen start for a team. He was automatic win by the DT everytime.

[Ravens1991]

where are you getting the info that he was 270-280?

[zCaddyz]

better, faster, STRONGER! nah but i remember last year he got banged when dude pciked it off and he tried to make the hut, but d'brick is gonna be alright love to have him on the young bucs oline.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

IF you watched the games, you can say that with certainty.

give me a break with that type of attitude. I watched all but one Jets game, clearly what i'm saying is over ur head. get in touch with reality

[jetsfan0099]

where are you getting the info that he was 270-280?

I remember reading a Jets article talking about how Brick was under 280 pounds at the end of his rookie season. Hes the complete opposite of a Kris Jenkins who was 390 pounds at the end of last year.

[jetsfan0099]

better, faster, STRONGER! nah but i remember last year he got banged when dude pciked it off and he tried to make the hut, but d'brick is gonna be alright love to have him on the young bucs oline.

Yea thats all the Bucs need is a nice young LT to complete that OL. Who would you say is better David Joseph or Aaron Sears??? I hear a lot about Sears but not really about David? Nice pair of OG though.

[zCaddyz]

Yea thats all the Bucs need is a nice young LT to complete that OL. Who would you say is better David Joseph or Aaron Sears??? I hear a lot about Sears but not really about David? Nice pair of OG though. joseph was sold last year, but sears had a better year he's a beast in the run game, next year both of them are going to the pro-bowl