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Wootylicous
06-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Don't know if anyone watch it but it begins tomorrow.


GO SPAIN!!!!!

Gay Ork Wang
06-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Its gonna be awesome
I feel like Spain can make it. Then again they choke everytime. Im eager to follow "THE GROUP OF DEATH" aka Group 3. Three favorites in Group is incredible. I pity Rumania.
Germany seems to have some chances, the defense looks kinda shaky atm though

adschofield
06-06-2008, 01:11 PM
You're right...no one watches it

sweetness34
06-06-2008, 01:15 PM
You're right...no one watches it

Yea, I mean it'll only have hundreds of millions of viewers (and that's just in Europe).

Yep, no one watches it. Why even start a thread about the World's most popular sport and one of the biggest soccer events outside the World Cup. Shame on Wo_oT.

adschofield
06-06-2008, 01:17 PM
Yea, I mean it'll only have hundreds of millions of viewers (and that's just in Europe).

Yep, no one watches it. Why even start a thread about the World's most popular sport and one of the biggest soccer events outside the World Cup. Shame on Wo_oT.

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619
06-06-2008, 01:19 PM
You're right...no one watches it

Come to Toronto and see for yourself. Big Italy-Portugal rivalry where I'm from which makes it that much better. Can't wait til kickoff tomorrow. GO PORTUGAL !!! :D

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
06-06-2008, 01:23 PM
Go Netherlands

Turtlepower
06-06-2008, 01:32 PM
Let's go Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, here is a fun Euro 2008 game to play in your spare time:

http://www.miniclip.com/games/euro-cup-soccer-2008/en/

Yatta!
06-06-2008, 02:14 PM
Well I shall be supporting Portugal because of the United connections. Is anyone up for some sort of fantasy draft just involving players who are at the Euros?

619
06-06-2008, 02:49 PM
Well I shall be supporting Portugal because of the United connections. Is anyone up for some sort of fantasy draft just involving players who are at the Euros?

I'd be down. Great idea.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
06-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Well I shall be supporting Portugal because of the United connections. Is anyone up for some sort of fantasy draft just involving players who are at the Euros?

let's do it!

TheGreatEscape
06-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Room-mate's rooting for the Germans and seeing how he drank when my giants won the superbowl I wanna see how much he drinks when his Germans win this thing.

Gay Ork Wang
06-06-2008, 03:33 PM
Room-mate's rooting for the Germans and seeing how he drank when my giants won the superbowl I wanna see how much he drinks when his Germans win this thing.
Germans can drink a looooot

sweetness34
06-06-2008, 03:42 PM
Main Entry:
faˇceˇtious
Pronunciation:
\f?-?s?-sh?s\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle French facetieux, from facetie jest, from Latin facetia
Date:
1599
1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : waggish <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>

Internet lesson:

Sarcasm can be extremely hard detect on a keyboard. Usually when one believes one is being sarcastic they are able to listen to their voice or see their facial expressions. Using a keyboard does not allow for either of those two to happen, therefore, you saying something blunt like that is taken as being serious.

Internet lesson #2:

When using sarcasm, one should put [sarcasm]text[sarcasm] around ones words, or use internet smiley's in their text in order to signal the use of sarcasm.

And with all the hate about soccer on these boards it's hard to pick out who is being serious and who is not.

KCJ58
06-06-2008, 03:57 PM
I'm gonna be in Europe for a month!

Brent
06-06-2008, 04:07 PM
go Germany!

RoyHall#1
06-06-2008, 04:39 PM
Soccer's awesome! I'll watch it when I can.

YAYareaRB
06-06-2008, 04:47 PM
Go Portugal.. and France. DAMN I can't choose. I have a man crush on Henry and Ronaldo.

Michigan
06-06-2008, 05:09 PM
Go Italy!! Just need Cannavaro...

Tobzilla
06-06-2008, 05:12 PM
I'll be cheering for Portugal, I love Quaresma and Cristiano Ronaldo, two of the most electrifying wingers in football.

TimD
06-06-2008, 05:44 PM
I'll be cheering for Sweden.

trekindude
06-06-2008, 06:42 PM
Allez les bleus! Allez les bleus! France! France! France! France!

Gay Ork Wang
06-06-2008, 06:43 PM
Go Italy!! Just need Cannavaro...
Cannavaro is out for the tournament

UKfan
06-06-2008, 06:43 PM
Go whoever plays the best football, probably the dutch or spanish. Also... go Torres!

703SKINS202
06-06-2008, 06:48 PM
I hope Portugal crashes and burns so everyone will get off their nuts.

Go Spain and like UK said, go good football.

TimD
06-06-2008, 06:49 PM
I'm more worried about Russia than Spain. I think Russia is real good, they have one of the best coaches in the tourny. Its the same guy who was the South Korean coach right?

619
06-06-2008, 06:59 PM
I hope Portugal crashes and burns so everyone will get off their nuts.

Go Spain and like UK said, go good football.

Actually Spain is the trendy pick right now. Most people are only really supporting us because of Ronaldo anyways.

UKfan
06-06-2008, 07:03 PM
I'm more worried about Russia than Spain. I think Russia is real good, they have one of the best coaches in the tourny. Its the same guy who was the South Korean coach right?

Russia's best player is suspended for the first 2 games (Arshavin) and their top striker is an injury doubt.

thefalconer
06-06-2008, 07:08 PM
Russia's best player is suspended for the first 2 games (Arshavin) and their top striker is an injury doubt.

never doubt guus hiddink. and yes he led south korea in the 2002 WC.

i have too many teams that i like. ill be rooting for netherlands, spain, and germany haha.

703SKINS202
06-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Actually Spain is the trendy pick right now. Most people are only really supporting us because of Ronaldo anyways.

People are picking Spain to win but all I hear is that they WANT Portugal to win because of like you said, Ronaldo. It just irritates me because most people don't know what they are talking about.

619
06-06-2008, 07:42 PM
I'm more worried about Russia than Spain. I think Russia is real good, they have one of the best coaches in the tourny. Its the same guy who was the South Korean coach right?

Also led Australia in the last WC. I actually like Russia's chances coming out of that group more than most especially when Arshavin comes back from his suspension.

the dude
06-06-2008, 08:14 PM
im rooting for sweden. elmander is gonna dominate

my sleeper pick is russia

And italy is gonna win it which bothers me bc i hate their style of playing and the fact that they all use way, way too much hairgel

Caddy
06-06-2008, 08:25 PM
My hot tip for Euro 2008: Croatia.

KCJ58
06-06-2008, 08:26 PM
My hot tip for Euro 2008: Croatia.


what is your avatar from

Gay Ork Wang
06-06-2008, 08:27 PM
I think Over the Hedge

Caddy
06-06-2008, 08:32 PM
what is your avatar from

I'm pretty sure it's from Over The Hedge.

keylime_5
06-06-2008, 08:41 PM
I always pull for France, but I don't think they'll do it this time with Henry being past his prime and Zidane being retired. I would pull for the Serbs but they're not in it, so if France doesn't win I'll go for either Germany or the Dutch (gotta love the orange). I think the Dutch win it all and Italy doesn't make it out of their group, France and NED in that group for me.

YAYareaRB
06-06-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm pretty sure it's from Over The Hedge.

For some reason I always thought Ratatouille

Caddy
06-06-2008, 08:51 PM
I always pull for France, but I don't think they'll do it this time with Henry being past his prime and Zidane being retired. I would pull for the Serbs but they're not in it, so if France doesn't win I'll go for either Germany or the Dutch (gotta love the orange). I think the Dutch win it all and Italy doesn't make it out of their group, France and NED in that group for me.

Wow really? I just can't see Italy not making it out of that group. I know that Cannavaro picked up an injury, but they still have a quality team. I think France come second and Holland are a close third.

619
06-06-2008, 08:58 PM
My hot tip for Euro 2008: Croatia.

Are you by any chance Croatian? May be a biased pick lol.

Caddy
06-06-2008, 09:00 PM
Are you by any chance Croatian? May be a biased pick lol.

Nope. I have no ethnic affiliation to Croatia. I just think they have an extremely solid team and have a good chance to go pretty deep into the finals.

Yatta!
06-06-2008, 09:02 PM
I'll set up a thread for a fantasy draft tomorrow, probably gonna be looking for about 8 guys. No more because of the limited player numbers. Just wanna get a quick general view: Should I make injured/non-selected players from the countries that qualified draft eligible (ie Cannavaro/ Djibril Cisse etc.)?

Caddy
06-06-2008, 09:03 PM
I'll set up a thread for a fantasy draft tomorrow, probably gonna be looking for about 8 guys. No more because of the limited player numbers. Just wanna get a quick general view: Should I make injured/non-selected players from the countries that qualified draft eligible (ie Cannavaro/ Djibril Cisse etc.)?

Injured players should be allowed in my opinion but not non-selected players.

619
06-06-2008, 09:04 PM
I'd leave them out imo.

GermanSaint
06-07-2008, 02:31 AM
Go whoever plays the best football, probably the dutch or spanish. Also... go Torres!

and they never win the big ones :)

especially netherlands and spain have reputation for losing the important games in spite of their individual talent

MetSox17
06-07-2008, 04:54 AM
+rep to whoever makes me a Nery Castillo and Giovani Dos Santos sig

Yatta!
06-07-2008, 05:55 AM
Draft thread is made - come and sign up!
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1096700#post1096700

Caddy
06-07-2008, 07:29 AM
+rep to whoever makes me a Nery Castillo and Giovani Dos Santos sig

Great signing by the Spurs! Watch out Man U!

wicket
06-07-2008, 08:21 AM
Not to be to much of a party-pooper-homer, but even in holland itself there are plenty of peeps doubting them making it out of the group phase, will make the semis if they do though, cant see them getting beat by either sweden russia or spain. Italy seems a shoo in for the semis at least. France hasn't seemed to be that good tbh, only seem them getting beat by russia bcose guus hiddink has had the number on italian club and national teams for years now. the other semi is bound to be portugal germany, croatia are a proper team but don't seem to have to much momentum coming of a bad practise run, the chechs have lost their edge with nedved not playing and rosicky injured. Turkey lack killer instincts and poland switzerland and austria just lack sheer quality. Of course romania has chances in night matches them being vampires and all.

McGahee
06-07-2008, 08:24 AM
Nope. I have no ethnic affiliation to Croatia. I just think they have an extremely solid team and have a good chance to go pretty deep into the finals.


All their chances went out the window once Eduardo broke his shin...

Caddy
06-07-2008, 09:03 AM
All their chances went out the window once Eduardo broke his shin...

Olic and Klasnic should be able to hold down the fort.

619
06-07-2008, 09:07 AM
Olic and Klasnic should be able to hold down the fort.

Not to mention Petric, Modric, Krancjar, Srna, etc. Very underrated team indeed.

Caddy
06-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Not to mention Petric, Modric, Krancjar, Srna, etc. Very underrated team indeed.

If Croatia are going to be successful, it is going to be because the Midfield play lights out, not the strikers.

If Greece can win, I can't see why this Croatian team can't.

619
06-07-2008, 09:12 AM
My ultimate sleeper team of the tourney is Russia. No reason the Croatians can't do the same either.

Caddy
06-07-2008, 09:14 AM
My ultimate sleeper team of the tourney is Russia. No reason the Croatians can't do the same either.

Guus Hiddink is definitely a quality coach so I could see them being a big time dark horse. He certainly did wonders for the Australian team. Getting them out of the group stage of the World Cup (ahead of Croatia) and only being defeated by the eventual champions because of a dodgy penalty.

Michigan
06-07-2008, 11:14 AM
So uh, how are u guys watching this? Comcast doesn't carry ESPN360 for me.

iowatreat54
06-07-2008, 11:24 AM
So uh, how are u guys watching this? Comcast doesn't carry ESPN360 for me.

espn classic

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 11:53 AM
i wish espn would do us a favor and get some real announcers

iowatreat54
06-07-2008, 12:05 PM
i wish espn would do us a favor and get some real announcers

what's wrong with them? Tommy Smith can get kind of annoying, but the other guy (can't think of his name) is good IMO...plus, it's not ESPN, these guys do like all European soccer games, whether it's on ESPN, FSC, etc.

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 12:35 PM
what's wrong with them? Tommy Smith can get kind of annoying, but the other guy (can't think of his name) is good IMO...plus, it's not ESPN, these guys do like all European soccer games, whether it's on ESPN, FSC, etc.

yea i know the main guy is alright but i got some retired womans national player at half giving me euro analysis, sorry but that doesnt cut it... and by the way tommy smith is the most annoying pos in soccer... has he never seen a player strike a ball with the outside of his foot? "he shot that one with his ankle right there looks like he got really lucky" what an idiot

iowatreat54
06-07-2008, 12:49 PM
yea i know the main guy is alright but i got some retired womans national player at half giving me euro analysis, sorry but that doesnt cut it... and by the way tommy smith is the most annoying pos in soccer... has he never seen a player strike a ball with the outside of his foot? "he shot that one with his ankle right there looks like he got really lucky" what an idiot

hahaha yea Tommy Smith does is weird, because he will seem like he knows things that you don't so you think he's somewhat soccer-smart, then makes comments like that...I didn't watch half, but I can definitely see where you're coming from

sucks for the Swiss, they really outplayed Czech. Rep. today but just couldn't find a way to finish...they also got screwed on that non-handball, and that rebound off the crossbar was terrible

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 12:52 PM
hahaha yea Tommy Smith does is weird, because he will seem like he knows things that you don't so you think he's somewhat soccer-smart, then makes comments like that...I didn't watch half, but I can definitely see where you're coming from

sucks for the Swiss, they really outplayed Czech. Rep. today but just couldn't find a way to finish...they also got screwed on that non-handball, and that rebound off the crossbar was terrible

yea i agree although i thought it was a good call not giving a handball in that situation although it could have gone either way

Wootylicous
06-07-2008, 12:54 PM
Should been a penalty shot at the last minute of this game.

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Should been a penalty shot at the last minute of this game.

yea i think that one was more blatant than the first

Wootylicous
06-07-2008, 01:01 PM
I'm looking forward to see this Portugal team playing.

iowatreat54
06-07-2008, 02:11 PM
yea i think that one was more blatant than the first

I actually thought the first was worse...while neither seemed intentional, the first clearly hit an arm that was outstretched and put the ball straight to the ground and an advantage for Czech Rep., which should be a hand ball no matter what...the second his arm was at least tucked in, and while I believe should have still been a handball because of the resulting impact/advantage, I could understand letting it go more

Wootylicous
06-07-2008, 02:38 PM
Portugal is clearly not dominant as I though they would be.

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 02:42 PM
Portugal is clearly not dominant as I though they would be.

Portugal has been overhyped ever since Ronaldo went on a tear this year, nationally they are not as strong as you would think.

UKfan
06-07-2008, 02:48 PM
Portugal's strikers suck balls

MaxV
06-07-2008, 03:40 PM
I hope Russia can plays well in this tournament......for ONCE.

I can't wait. Spain will VERY tough. I hope we atleast get a tie.

703SKINS202
06-07-2008, 03:46 PM
LOL Ronaldo was so mad he had to pass that ball at the end probably. He had a sick free kick though just needs to not worry about scoring goals himself so much. And there were about 6 blatant hand balls today none of which were called whats going on with that.

Yatta!
06-07-2008, 03:52 PM
I thought Portugal were pretty good, I'd like to see Ronaldo up front though with either Nani or Quaresma starting.

Eaglez.Fan
06-07-2008, 03:55 PM
LOL Ronaldo was so mad he had to pass that ball at the end probably. He had a sick free kick though just needs to not worry about scoring goals himself so much. And there were about 6 blatant hand balls today none of which were called whats going on with that.

If it's incidental contact then they try to avoid calling it. More of a "ball to hand" than hand to ball type deal.

Gay Ork Wang
06-07-2008, 04:54 PM
well Turkey never had any chance to get into the game or get some chances. Although Portugal was pretty weak, they still managed to get a win and the 2:0 could be important for Switzerland. 2 weak games imo. Alex Frei got hurt which was pretty bad for switzerland

619
06-07-2008, 05:16 PM
I cannot say enough about how much I love the addition of Pepe to this team. :)

Wootylicous
06-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Penalty shottttt!! yahhhhh!

Yung Money
06-08-2008, 11:05 AM
I cannot say enough about how much I love the addition of Pepe to this team. :)

Definitely an unbelieveable addition to the back four with solid D and solid Offense.

Gay Ork Wang
06-08-2008, 11:06 AM
1:0 Croatia after 4 minutes...

Yung Money
06-08-2008, 11:09 AM
1:0 Croatia after 4 minutes...

Lol I didnt expect nothing less there facing a team that won 2 out of 16 friendly's they played this year

Caddy
06-08-2008, 11:09 AM
1:0 Croatia after 4 minutes...

Croatia for Euro 2008 Champion!

619
06-08-2008, 11:23 AM
1:0 Croatia after 4 minutes...
What can I say .. 100:1 odds (Austria) ..

Wootylicous
06-08-2008, 11:29 AM
Good acting by the croatians.

619
06-08-2008, 12:00 PM
Austria is very fortunate to only be down a goal at half. Quite difficult to watch their dumbed down style of soccer. If only Croatia still had Eduardo Da Silva to help contribute to this one-sided affair.

Stufazz
06-08-2008, 12:01 PM
i wish espn would do us a favor and get some real announcers


hopefully this may help (sometimes they work globally other times nationally only). if u hav ur computer near ur tv, listen to the UK national radio, it mayb a few seconds ahead/behind but its quality announcers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/

and its free no subscription

Wootylicous
06-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Robben from Netherlands is out for the opener vs Italy.

Stufazz
06-08-2008, 12:05 PM
Austria is very fortunate to only be down a goal at half. Quite difficult to watch their dumbed down style of soccer. If only Croatia still had Eduardo Da Silva to help contribute to this one-sided affair.

saying that though Austria have had some opportunites just havnt got any1 up front to put the ball in the net.

yeah it was unfortunate about Eduardo's injury, his finishing is incredible. but it was nasty, it got taken off youtube for a reason!

Modano
06-08-2008, 06:32 PM
Horrible games so far... Probably the only decent one was Portugal-Turkey. Portugal is a talented team but they will struggle in the playoff. They are skilled and are capable of moving the ball very quickly, but they have only 5 players on the field who can defend (and not so well).

Yung Money
06-08-2008, 06:43 PM
Horrible games so far... Probably the only decent one was Portugal-Turkey. Portugal is a talented team but they will struggle in the playoff. They are skilled and are capable of moving the ball very quickly, but they have only 5 players on the field who can defend (and not so well).

Portugal are not as undefensive as you think the back four are on top of there game and rarely let an opening.

MaxV
06-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Tommorow's games will be BY FAR the most interesting to date.

Young Nasty Man
06-08-2008, 10:11 PM
My dark horse...Croatia Luka Modric plays for my club so he is a stud

My team that i want to see win....HOLLAND BABY...Huntelaar, Van Persie, Van Nistelrooy, Sneijder, Robben....nasty team would love to see the Oranje win it...

703SKINS202
06-08-2008, 11:55 PM
I personally thought that the Germany-Poland game was the best of the week especially the first half.

Modano
06-09-2008, 02:12 AM
Portugal are not as undefensive as you think the back four are on top of there game and rarely let an opening.

Their central defenders are very good players, Paulo Ferreira is solid but Bosingwa is a liability defensively. He's very good when he attacks, but he will have a hard time facing the top wings in this tournament.
Their midfield s very good, but they don't have a true defensive midfielder. Deco, Ronaldo, Simao (and also Nani and Qauresma) don't know what defense mean. Moutihno is good and underrated but not a defensive specialist, this leaves only Petit to help the defense.
They will struggle when they'll face a midfield which can move the ball quickly creating some good brekaways because they can't recover when they lose the ball. They're very dangerous on offense but a good possesion team (like France) could kill them. They miss someone who can steal balls and create turnovers. Turkey missed some good occasions to start or finalize a breakaway.
I'm not saying Portugal is not good or doesn't have a chance, but I think they will struggle big time against the top teams in the competition. In order to win they need to stop turnovers.

Modano
06-09-2008, 02:15 AM
My dark horse...Croatia Luka Modric plays for my club so he is a stud

My team that i want to see win....HOLLAND BABY...Huntelaar, Van Persie, Van Nistelrooy, Sneijder, Robben....nasty team would love to see the Oranje win it...

Robben is out indefinately and also Sneijder was injured but I don't know if he will be able to play tonight.

wicket
06-09-2008, 03:00 AM
Robben is out indefinately and also Sneijder was injured but I don't know if he will be able to play tonight.

Sneijder is fine, nothing to worry about, however the game is still a bit early for van persie to start, probably plays for a while though

BufFan71
06-09-2008, 05:55 AM
america played well against Argentina


it was nice to see how many american people attended the game
usually the stadium is filled with the other countries' fans

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 06:22 AM
Germany Poland was a really good game. I felt like Germany played alot better than in those scrimmages against Serbia and Belarus and Poland is pretty strong (they've beaten Portugal in the qualification 3-0) in this group. Croatia looked awfully bad in the second half against Austria so germany should make it to the playoffs prolly playing Czech.

Modano
06-09-2008, 06:31 AM
Germany Poland was a really good game. I felt like Germany played alot better than in those scrimmages against Serbia and Belarus and Poland is pretty strong (they've beaten Portugal in the qualification 3-0) in this group. Croatia looked awfully bad in the second half against Austria so germany should make it to the playoffs prolly playing Czech.

Yeah, Germany should win the division easily, they will probably face Czech or Switzerland in the playoffs so they have a good chance to make it through the semifinals. Podolski played a good game, although Klose and Mario Gomez disappointed. But Klose will score a lot of goals in the next games.

GermanSaint
06-09-2008, 08:47 AM
Yeah, Germany should win the division easily, they will probably face Czech or Switzerland in the playoffs so they have a good chance to make it through the semifinals. Podolski played a good game, although Klose and Mario Gomez disappointed. But Klose will score a lot of goals in the next games.

both had good games defensive wise . gomez and klose both had assists , the pass from gomez was pretty good.
metzelder was pretty helpless defensive wise. iam pretty glad right now , i expected a way worse german team ....
fritz had a good game , too on his new position.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 09:02 AM
Poldi had a great game at midfielder

619
06-09-2008, 10:11 AM
Tommorow's games will be BY FAR the most interesting to date.

It's all about the game at 2:45 ET. I'm praying the Dutch can pull this one off.

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 10:32 AM
Anyone know of a way to watch online for free for macs? I'm going home this weekend for my sister's birthday and I'd like to be able to follow the games since my parents didn't get the euro2008 package like my neighbor did.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 10:38 AM
www.myp2p.eu

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 10:39 AM
Klose played great. A little too selflessly, if he had finished himself instead of trying to set up Gomez the Germans would've taken the lead earlier. For the sake of destroying my liver I hope they go all the way. Although why wasn't schwienstieger starting? He played great after coming on.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 10:44 AM
yea but they tried Podolski at Outside Midfielder and played Fritz. I think Schweini was a lil bit meeeh in the scrimmages. I think it played out well. Fritz was awesome and Podolski was great obviously so it was nice.

Yatta!
06-09-2008, 12:56 PM
Wow France were very poor, they may not have had Henry and Vieira but they should have easily beaten Romania. If one of Italy/Holland win tonight they will have a big advantage in this group.

Caddy
06-09-2008, 01:03 PM
Wow France were very poor, they may not have had Henry and Vieira but they should have easily beaten Romania. If one of Italy/Holland win tonight they will have a big advantage in this group.

That's definitely true. For Netherlands/France/Italy, the Romania game is an extremely important one. If either fail to win against the Romanians, they could be seriously disadvantaging themselves in that group.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 01:09 PM
That was an incredibly boring game

Modano
06-09-2008, 01:21 PM
Wow France were very poor, they may not have had Henry and Vieira but they should have easily beaten Romania. If one of Italy/Holland win tonight they will have a big advantage in this group.

I hate teams like Romania. They played for the draw. They weren't able to attack or even do something on the field. France had the possesion of the ball for like 90% of the time, Romania is just awful. I hate when teams play like this. France missed Vieira who is very important for them (maybe even more than Henry) and Benzema played poorly but probably because it was his debut. By the way, they always play this way. Bad in the first games and then better. And this is not good for my Italy...

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 02:14 PM
France played poorly though.
Btw that goal made by Nistelrooy was lucky :D Italy is gonna hate the guy behind the goal

MaxV
06-09-2008, 02:18 PM
2-0.

Wow, can't say I expected this.

World Champs aren't playing like it.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 02:19 PM
that was a beautiful offensive execution

MaxV
06-09-2008, 02:21 PM
It'll be VERY difficult to Italy to come back from a 2-0 deficit against a defensively sound team like Netherlands.

Yung Money
06-09-2008, 02:25 PM
I always thought Italy has been to overconfident since there victory in the World Cup they have to step up against France now and maybe sneak out of the group of Death.

MaxV
06-09-2008, 02:33 PM
Buffon just saved the 3rd goal.

Man, Italy is getting schooled.

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 02:34 PM
Italy was so overrated

wicket
06-09-2008, 02:45 PM
booya 2-0 at half time couldn't dare to even dream about it. To bad buffon has such big calfs so it wasn't three. BTW Ruud is a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheerio from drunk and excessively happy dutchman

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 03:24 PM
Italy was so overrated

I disagree, whenever you have such a strong group of players such as Italy does add that with the hands down greatest goalie in the world you have to be considered a favorite. Italy doesnt look strong but this is 1 game.

UKfan
06-09-2008, 03:27 PM
I disagree, whenever you have such a strong group of players such as Italy does add that with the hands down greatest goalie in the world you have to be considered a favorite. Italy doesnt look strong but this is 1 game.

He's 3rd in my eyes.

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 03:30 PM
I honestly think if the Dutch can keep up their form their the best team in that group. I hate the Italians though and think France is severily over-rated and really only kept progressing in the WC because Zidane, Ribery and Malouda where playing on a different level. But when Zidane left and ribery became more of a focus they lost a lot of their creativity up front. They have a lot of talent but they need someone to step up and take pressure off the rest of the team. I love Benzema and Nasir but I'm not sure either one is ready to step into that role.

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 03:35 PM
He's 3rd in my eyes.

Wow, whos 1 and 2 then?

IMO Buffon, Casillas, Coupet, Van Der Sar

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
I hate teams like Romania. They played for the draw. They weren't able to attack or even do something on the field. France had the possesion of the ball for like 90% of the time, Romania is just awful. I hate when teams play like this. France missed Vieira who is very important for them (maybe even more than Henry) and Benzema played poorly but probably because it was his debut. By the way, they always play this way. Bad in the first games and then better. And this is not good for my Italy...

I think Romania's problem was more stage fright than annoying tactics, like the greeks in 08. They had a very attacking style of play in qualifying and just no showed with the ball.

Yatta!
06-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Wow, whos 1 and 2 then?

IMO Buffon, Casillas, Coupet, Van Der Sar

Coupet?! Really? And Cech is still definitely up there, Buffon may be the best but its pretty close.

Yung Money
06-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Wow, whos 1 and 2 then?

IMO Buffon, Casillas, Coupet, Van Der Sar

Your off 1. Cech 2. Van Der Sar 3. Buffon

619
06-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Buffon looks very vulnerable back there without Cannavaro. Gimme Van Der Sar or Cech anyday. Buffon, Casillas and Coupet are part of the second tier imo.

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Wow I cant believe everyone is disrespecting Buffon so much hes one of the goat. Maybe people are gettin misled by the whoopin Italy took today where Buffon made key saves, his D totally let him down today. I know you guys havent forgotten about what he did in the world cup. Cech is up there but I think the others I listed are more in form then him at the moment. Hes right behind Van Der Sar though.

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 03:48 PM
Im feelin some EPL bias here. Shocker.

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 03:51 PM
1. Cech
2. Buffon
3. Van Der Sar
4. Casillas
5. Rene Adler (Just throwing his name out there because in his first year in the bundesliga he became that leagues top goalie, only reason he's not starting for germany is he's 23 and a first year starter)

Yung Money
06-09-2008, 03:54 PM
Im talking club wise Van Der Sar and Cech have proven more then Buffon if we go internationaly Buffons at the top.

619
06-09-2008, 03:59 PM
Im talking club wise Van Der Sar and Cech have proven more then Buffon if we go internationaly Buffons at the top.

Not true. If we go all-time Buffon is easily on top as one of the greatest but right now I'll slot him behind the aforementioned Petr Cech and Edwin Van Der Sar. Just an opinion.

Yung Money
06-09-2008, 04:00 PM
Not true. If we go all-time Buffon is easily on top as one of the greatest but right now I'll slot him behind the aforementioned Petr Cech and Edwin Van Der Sar. Just an opinion.

Im talking this season Buffon didnt prove enough for me to put him over the other two.

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 04:01 PM
Not true. If we go all-time Buffon is easily on top as one of the greatest but right now I'll slot him behind the aforementioned Petr Cech and Edwin Van Der Sar. Just an opinion.

A fair opinion but can I ask why? Was it because they lost 3-0 today? What has Buffon done recently to slip behind them in your opinion?

Gay Ork Wang
06-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Id still rank them Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Van der Sar

Yung Money
06-09-2008, 04:03 PM
A fair opinion but can I ask why? Was it because they lost 3-0 today? What has Buffon done recently to slip behind them in your opinion?

I dont think hes done any thing wrong but going club team wise I think Cech and Van Der Sar have just stepped up there game more. But in regards to the game today Buffon did look a bit sloppy early on.

619
06-09-2008, 04:05 PM
A fair opinion but can I ask why? Was it because they lost 3-0 today? What has Buffon done recently to slip behind them in your opinion?

To be fair I do watch the EPL a fair bit more but what I've seen of the 3 goalies recently (Buffon, Cech, Van Der Sar) it made me rethink whether some of Buffon's success recently is solely attributed to his stout defense. It's not as much the result as it is my general observation. I am not knocking Buffon in anyway and still do believe he holds a place as one of the GOAT.

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 04:09 PM
To be fair I do watch the EPL a fair bit more but what I've seen of the 3 goalies recently (Buffon, Cech, Van Der Sar) it made me rethink whether some of Buffon's success recently is solely attributed to his stout defense. It's not as much the result as it is my general observation. I am not knocking Buffon in anyway and still do believe he holds a place as one of the GOAT.

Gotcha, I do watch the EPL mostly too but also la liga and serie a which I know a lot of Americans dont like. Thats why I think people sleep on Casillas and Buffon and focus on Cech and VDS, dont get me wrong though these guys are top 5 but I still got it Buffon, Casillas, Coupet, VDS, Cech.

Yatta!
06-09-2008, 04:09 PM
To be fair I do watch the EPL a fair bit more but what I've seen of the 3 goalies recently (Buffon, Cech, Van Der Sar) it made me rethink whether some of Buffon's success recently is solely attributed to his stout defense. It's not as much the result as it is my general observation. I am not knocking Buffon in anyway and still do believe he holds a place as one of the GOAT.

I think that could be said of most of the world's top keepers. Look at van der Sar and Cech at club level.

Still my rankings go:
1. Cech
2. Buffon
3. Cassilas
4. Van der Sar

And I watch a lot more EPL than anything else.

wicket
06-09-2008, 04:17 PM
Not to be to brute, since "the accident" Cech hasn't been the same keeper and tbh quite mediocre, he probably was the best before his skull-fracture however i rank the keepers now:
Casillas
Buffon
Akinfeev
Boruc
v/d Sar
Cech
the rest




Lehman

619
06-09-2008, 04:26 PM
Not to be to brute, since "the accident" Cech hasn't been the same keeper and tbh quite mediocre, he probably was the best before his skull-fracture however i rank the keepers now:
Casillas
Buffon
Akinfeev
Boruc
v/d Sar
Cech
the rest




Lehman

Interesting to see the young Russian keeper so high on your list. I think it's a bit too premature. You could make an argument for Boruc though but I still got him on the cusp of the top 5 (Cech, Van Der Sar, Buffon, Casillas, Coupet).

Caddy
06-09-2008, 04:28 PM
You are all forgetting the greatest goalie of all time. Paul Robinson...

703SKINS202
06-09-2008, 04:30 PM
You are all forgetting the greatest goalie of all time. Paul Robinson...

I wish there wasnt the character minimum cause all I have to say to this is: HA.

David James> Paul Robinson also.

Caddy
06-09-2008, 04:32 PM
I wish there wasnt the character minimum cause all I have to say to this is: HA.

David James> Paul Robinson also.

Lets be honest here. Both of them are to erratic to be considered great keepers.

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 05:13 PM
How long til Schmeichel Jr leads Denmark to Euro success?

619
06-09-2008, 05:26 PM
How long til Schmeichel Jr leads Denmark to Euro success?

Next Euro?? It would have been nice to see him showcase his skills on a big international stage this time around though I think the word has already gotten out that this kids pretty damn good lol.

MaxV
06-09-2008, 06:05 PM
I'm glad Akinfeev is getting recognition and he does have potential to be among the elite, but he's not there yet.

wicket
06-09-2008, 06:09 PM
Interesting to see the young Russian keeper so high on your list. I think it's a bit too premature. You could make an argument for Boruc though but I still got him on the cusp of the top 5 (Cech, Van Der Sar, Buffon, Casillas, Coupet).

I've actually seen him play quite a couple of times in champions league and for the national team and stuff, (this since I am a huge fan of Guus Hiddink, who led my fav team to it's first and to date only CL trophy), and he impressed me a lot. He just oozes the complete package and leaves nothing to be desired except perhaps being a bit to injury prone. However the main point of my comment was the decline of cech. He was probably the greatest keeper around, however now he is (understandibly) scared sometimes and just misses the edge and I don't really see him competing with the top of the bill at the moment tbh.

MaxV
06-09-2008, 06:12 PM
I've actually seen him play quite a couple of times in champions league and for the national team and stuff, (this since I am a huge fan of Guus Hiddink, who led my fav team to it's first and to date only CL trophy), and he impressed me a lot. He just oozes the complete package and leaves nothing to be desired except perhaps being a bit to injury prone. However the main point of my comment was the decline of cech. He was probably the greatest keeper around, however now he is (understandibly) scared sometimes and just misses the edge and I don't really see him competing with the top of the bill at the moment tbh.

He has been a bit inconsistant in the Russian League last season.

I think he's about a year or 2 away from being mentioned in the same list as those elite goaltenders.

Bengalsrz
06-09-2008, 06:30 PM
Croatia just barely pulled it out against a rather poor (at least in comparison with the rest of the teams in the EURO) Austria team. I was a bit dissapointed. But alas, a win is a win.

Yatta!
06-09-2008, 06:52 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is very overrated, he gets by mostly on his name. Yes, he played well for City for a couple of games but he couldn't get past Isaksson or Hart (although those two are solid players). If he was that good he would be holding down a starting place somewhere or at least be the subject of a bidding war.

BufFan71
06-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Croatia just barely pulled it out against a rather poor (at least in comparison with the rest of the teams in the EURO) Austria team. I was a bit dissapointed. But alas, a win is a win.

Even Austrians were saying that they were going to get embarressed.


Croatia, didnt look that good, but didnt they lose their best striker to an injury?

TheGreatEscape
06-09-2008, 07:57 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is very overrated, he gets by mostly on his name. Yes, he played well for City for a couple of games but he couldn't get past Isaksson or Hart (although those two are solid players). If he was that good he would be holding down a starting place somewhere or at least be the subject of a bidding war.

I dunno about that. I've found with teams that think they can seriously compete no what their philosophy of trusting youngsters, they're usually very wary of putting too much on young keepers shoulders and so with teams, like the german national side, a lot of times younger, more talented keepers (adler) sit behind older, more experienced, but ultimately worse keepers (Lehmann)

keylime_5
06-09-2008, 10:10 PM
Well my pick to win the tournament was the Dutch and after today's performance I don't feel so bad. Only 1 game but a lot of people don't think they'll make it out of their group let alone win the tournament like I did, hopefully they keep it up.

Modano
06-10-2008, 12:41 AM
We deserved to lose. We have only 4 or 5 players in good shape, and we're old as hell. That's what happen when you don't trust your young guns. Our midfield is the same of Milan, they struggled all year long and failed to qualify for the champions' league, no surprise that they're still struggling.

Btw, Van der Sar? Are you kidding me? He has played well for Manchester but he has been a disaster for most of his career, especially when he played for Juventus. Buffon is the best keeper in the world, saying that without Cannavaro he's not so good it's just not true. He plays for Juventus, which has an awful defense, and he has been spectacular this year, just like every year.
And in a list of the best keepers in the world you can't forget Julio Cesar, who is probably top 3. If you don't trust me, just watch him playing for Inter, he's almost infailable

I honestly think if the Dutch can keep up their form their the best team in that group. I hate the Italians though and think France is severily over-rated and really only kept progressing in the WC because Zidane, Ribery and Malouda where playing on a different level. But when Zidane left and ribery became more of a focus they lost a lot of their creativity up front. They have a lot of talent but they need someone to step up and take pressure off the rest of the team. I love Benzema and Nasir but I'm not sure either one is ready to step into that role.

Well, I'm not a France fan by any means, but you're underrating them. They won the WC in 1998 and the Euros in 2000, they had a bad WC in 2002 and lost to the Greek in 2004, and then they advanced to the final in 2006 and lost but dominated the game. During this decade of success it wasn't only Zidane playing on a different level, it was a great team with 11 good/great players.
They played horrible yesterday, but they're good. Their roster is probably the best in the competition (along with Spain) and they know how to win, they have a lot of winners on roster. They miss Vieira, who is the heart of this team, but if they can get their confidence back they're still the team to beat in the competition.
I hate to defend the French, but they're too dangerous to be overlooked.

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 12:54 AM
Well, I'm not a France fan by any means, but you're underrating them. They won the WC in 1998 and the Euros in 2000, they had a bad WC in 2002 and lost to the Greek in 2004, and then they advanced to the final in 2006 and lost but dominated the game. During this decade of success it wasn't only Zidane playing on a different level, it was a great team with 11 good/great players.
They played horrible yesterday, but they're good. Their roster is probably the best in the competition (along with Spain) and they know how to win, they have a lot of winners on roster. They miss Vieira, who is the heart of this team, but if they can get their confidence back they're still the team to beat in the competition.
I hate to defend the French, but they're too dangerous to be overlooked.

There roster is stacked but they were a team where Zidane took the pressure off everyone else, that's what truly great players do and that's the reason other guys had so much space and freedom to create. Unless someone steps into that role for France they're screwed. I love Ribery and he could do that but I'm still not sold.

Modano
06-10-2008, 01:09 AM
There roster is stacked but they were a team where Zidane took the pressure off everyone else, that's what truly great players do and that's the reason other guys had so much space and freedom to create. Unless someone steps into that role for France they're screwed. I love Ribery and he could do that but I'm still not sold.

That player, imo, is Vieira.

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 01:19 AM
That player, imo, is Vieira.

I dunno if Veira really is that guy. I think he gives them confidence to attack knowing he'll clean up and give them a solid foundation but he doesn't open up the pitch like zidane did.

Yatta!
06-10-2008, 03:55 AM
I dunno about that. I've found with teams that think they can seriously compete no what their philosophy of trusting youngsters, they're usually very wary of putting too much on young keepers shoulders and so with teams, like the german national side, a lot of times younger, more talented keepers (adler) sit behind older, more experienced, but ultimately worse keepers (Lehmann)

Sorry to go back to this but anyway. Whilst that is true in general, Joe Hart was the first choice keeper for Man City last year and he is 21. I don't doubt that Schmeichel is talented but he is vastly overrated imo.

the dude
06-10-2008, 08:45 AM
is timo hildebrandt injured? lehmann is the germans only weak link imo

Gay Ork Wang
06-10-2008, 08:55 AM
Lehmann played pretty well tbh. He had some problems at the beginning but he tends to have some problems. Also he didnt have alot of games lately. Hildebrandt isnt injured and it was a little surprise that Löw didnt take him but it seems like he didnt play a good season in Stuttgart

wicket
06-10-2008, 09:56 AM
Hildebrandt doesn't play for stuttgart but for valencia and since everybody there had an awfull season or worse (except perhaps david silva) he wasn't really convincing either, didn't get kicked from the squad for perpetual failureism though

BufFan71
06-10-2008, 10:30 AM
i gto my money on Greece today vs Sweden

TimD
06-10-2008, 10:40 AM
Come on Sweden. I know Ljungberg is playing. But I'm not sure about Zlatan or Elmander. I hope they both play.

wicket
06-10-2008, 11:05 AM
We deserved to lose. We have only 4 or 5 players in good shape, and we're old as hell. That's what happen when you don't trust your young guns. Our midfield is the same of Milan, they struggled all year long and failed to qualify for the champions' league, no surprise that they're still struggling.

Btw, Van der Sar? Are you kidding me? He has played well for Manchester but he has been a disaster for most of his career, especially when he played for Juventus. Buffon is the best keeper in the world, saying that without Cannavaro he's not so good it's just not true. He plays for Juventus, which has an awful defense, and he has been spectacular this year, just like every year.
And in a list of the best keepers in the world you can't forget Julio Cesar, who is probably top 3. If you don't trust me, just watch him playing for Inter, he's almost infailable



Well, I'm not a France fan by any means, but you're underrating them. They won the WC in 1998 and the Euros in 2000, they had a bad WC in 2002 and lost to the Greek in 2004, and then they advanced to the final in 2006 and lost but dominated the game. During this decade of success it wasn't only Zidane playing on a different level, it was a great team with 11 good/great players.
They played horrible yesterday, but they're good. Their roster is probably the best in the competition (along with Spain) and they know how to win, they have a lot of winners on roster. They miss Vieira, who is the heart of this team, but if they can get their confidence back they're still the team to beat in the competition.
I hate to defend the French, but they're too dangerous to be overlooked.

two points
- van der Sar played fine for juve except his last year
- julio cesar, seriously?

Gay Ork Wang
06-10-2008, 11:06 AM
Hildebrandt doesn't play for stuttgart but for valencia and since everybody there had an awfull season or worse (except perhaps david silva) he wasn't really convincing either, didn't get kicked from the squad for perpetual failureism though
Lol sorry still had his old team in mind when i typed

UKfan
06-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Wow, I just read through all of this and the goalkeepers talk is very surprising, for me the clear top 3 are.

Iker Casillas, Petr Cech, Buffon. Probably in that order.

MaxV
06-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Damn, come on Russia.

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 12:48 PM
Sorry to go back to this but anyway. Whilst that is true in general, Joe Hart was the first choice keeper for Man City last year and he is 21. I don't doubt that Schmeichel is talented but he is vastly overrated imo.

Hasn't Hart been there for longer?

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 12:48 PM
is timo hildebrandt injured? lehmann is the germans only weak link imo

Nope, Timo's healthy, he's just not as good of a keeper as Enke or Adler.

Yatta!
06-10-2008, 12:56 PM
Hasn't Hart been there for longer?

Schmeichel has come up through the City youth teams, played there all his life. Hart joined from Shrewsbury in 2006, both have spent time out on lone the past few years but this year Hart was able to claim a place in the City first team.


Also Spain looked class, Torres and Villa form a great partnership.

Bengalsrz
06-10-2008, 12:58 PM
Even Austrians were saying that they were going to get embarressed.


Croatia, didnt look that good, but didnt they lose their best striker to an injury?

Correct, Eduardo was out for that last game and Klasnic (backup) who used to be an excellent player just isn't what he used to be after the kidney transplants and even he couldn't play last game anyways.

But even then, the battle at midfield is what had me worried. I'm hoping that performance was a fluke. I guess we'll have to see this Thursday in the game against Germany.

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 12:59 PM
Schmeichel has come up through the City youth teams, played there all his life. Hart joined from Shrewsbury in 2006, both have spent time out on lone the past few years but this year Hart was able to claim a place in the City first team.


Also Spain looked class, Torres and Villa form a great partnership.

I thought Hart was the first team backup last season? Spain looks awesome, pity they're going to choke at some point.

MaxV
06-10-2008, 01:01 PM
Man, Russian defense played TERRIBLE.

Kolodin is about as useful as t**s on the bull.

703SKINS202
06-10-2008, 01:06 PM
Hell yes Spain looked frickin awesome today now I'm definetly pumped about our chances. D could tighten up but the offense was fluid as balls.

Modano
06-10-2008, 02:47 PM
two points
- van der Sar played fine for juve except his last year
- julio cesar, seriously?

Yes seriously. Have you ever seen Julio Cesar playing? He's the keeper who allowed the fewest goals in Serie A in the last two years and played also very good in the Champions League and with the national team. He's also one of the best stopping penalty shots. Since he joined Inter, Julio Cesar has been spectacular.

By the way, Spain has played the best game of the euros so far. It was a very good game.

703SKINS202
06-10-2008, 03:18 PM
ibra is a god, probably my favorite non pool player

wicket
06-10-2008, 03:21 PM
I've seen him play about 20 times this season probably more last season, with the defence in front of him he can easily be the least passed keeper. He honoustly sucks imo, lacks dominance in the air and comes of his line without much conviction, but I'll keep it at that don't wanna make it in to a penfight ;) have to agree on the spain game though

Rob S
06-10-2008, 03:23 PM
Yes seriously. Have you ever seen Julio Cesar playing? He's the keeper who allowed the fewest goals in Serie A in the last two years and played also very good in the Champions League and with the national team. He's also one of the best stopping penalty shots. Since he joined Inter, Julio Cesar has been spectacular.

By the way, Spain has played the best game of the euros so far. It was a very good game.

Spain played well for sure, but their defense will need to get better. I understand that Ramos loves to attack and he should because he is amazing in that regard, but the CB's have to do a better job of covering for him. I didnt like the spanish defense at all today. A better team would have hung at least 2 or 3 on them imo. Also, their last two goals kind of came about because of Russia pressing. Still, a great game for the spanish, but I dont think more impressive than the Dutch due to the level of competition. And spain fans, why dont u save urself the pain and not get excited yet haha

thefalconer
06-10-2008, 03:30 PM
anyone know a pretty low key site where they have highlight vids? effin uefa's cracking down on any and all fan posted vids! i missed the spain match and am dying to see villa's hattrick.

BufFan71
06-10-2008, 03:31 PM
watching Greece play is like watching the Baltimore Ravens play


very good defense
horrible offense


it doesnt even look like any of the Greeks even want to play offense

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 03:36 PM
watching Greece play is like watching the Baltimore Ravens play


very good defense
horrible offense


it doesnt even look like any of the Greeks even want to play offense

It's a scheme that gets them wins.

UKfan
06-10-2008, 03:40 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2008/7447341.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2008/7445299.stm)

You can try that, but might only work in UK, highlights of the Spain game.

Rob S
06-10-2008, 04:29 PM
anyone know a pretty low key site where they have highlight vids? effin uefa's cracking down on any and all fan posted vids! i missed the spain match and am dying to see villa's hattrick.

footytube.com

Rob S
06-10-2008, 04:30 PM
the above site has it i just checked

BufFan71
06-10-2008, 05:19 PM
It's a scheme that gets them wins.

Sweden -2 Greece- 0

not today lol
but hey, they won it in 2004, with like 150:1 odds

why not again?

TheGreatEscape
06-10-2008, 05:31 PM
Sweden -2 Greece- 0

not today lol
but hey, they won it in 2004, with like 150:1 odds

why not again?

The past 2 EC's they've outperformed Football powerhouse England both times.

thefalconer
06-10-2008, 07:22 PM
well england = choke masters.

rukster
06-11-2008, 12:16 AM
Hrvat Nogomet is all I have to say

Modano
06-11-2008, 01:52 AM
I've seen him play about 20 times this season probably more last season, with the defence in front of him he can easily be the least passed keeper. He honoustly sucks imo, lacks dominance in the air and comes of his line without much conviction, but I'll keep it at that don't wanna make it in to a penfight ;) have to agree on the spain game though

Seriously I don't know what to say... You can't find one single person here in Italy who doesn't whink that Julio Cesar is one of the best keeper in soccer. His defense wasn't so dominant, especially this year. Materazzi sucked big time all year long and they were forced to start Burdisso who is awful.
So well agree to disagree...
Watch this video that shows how good he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yYsAObAXT0

Greece is the worst team ever... The played with 5 defenders! But they won't be so lucky this time and won't make the playoffs.

Zlatan goal was amazing. The best so far.

Addict
06-11-2008, 03:01 AM
It'll be VERY difficult to Italy to come back from a 2-0 deficit against a defensively sound team like Netherlands.

We are not defensively sound, defense is our major weakness, still, we kicked some ass out there against Italy.

booya 2-0 at half time couldn't dare to even dream about it. To bad buffon has such big calfs so it wasn't three. BTW Ruud is a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheerio from drunk and excessively happy dutchman

BOOYAH 3-0 gek!

I gotta say I had a concert monday (bad religion) but I've seen countless summaries of this game and we played absolutely amazingly. Good to see the team pull together when it mattered.

Yatta!
06-11-2008, 09:45 AM
I'm bored so here are my power rankings after the first round of matches.

1. Holland
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Portugal
5. Italy
6. France
7. Czech Republic
8. Sweden
9. Croatia
10. Russia
11. Turkey
12. Romania
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Switzerland
16. Austria
I'd say that only the top 4 teams have looked particularly good.

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 09:52 AM
i thought Turkey looked alot worse than poland...

MaxV
06-11-2008, 09:54 AM
I'm bored so here are my power rankings after the first round of matches.

1. Holland
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Portugal
5. Italy
6. France
7. Czech Republic
8. Sweden
9. Croatia
10. Russia
11. Turkey
12. Romania
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Switzerland
16. Austria
I'd say that only the top 4 teams have looked particularly good.

Russia 10th?

Well, thanks for that, though I'm not sure they looked like 10th best in the tournament.

I hope Hiddink knows how to fix this mess.

619
06-11-2008, 10:05 AM
eh, why not? My power rankings.

1. Spain
2. Germany
3. Holland
4. Portugal
5. France
6. Italy
7. Sweden
8. Czech Republic
9. Croatia
10. Poland
11. Romania
12. Turkey
13. Switzerland
14. Russia
15. Greece
16. Austria

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 10:16 AM
1. Holland
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Portugal
5. France
6. Italy
7. Sweden
8. Poland
9. Czech Republic
10. Croatia
11. Russia
12. Switzerland
13. Romania
14. Austria
15. Greece
16. Turkey

wicket
06-11-2008, 10:26 AM
and mine then
1 Spain
2 Holland (Wij houden van oranje)
3 Germany
4 Portugal
5 France
6 Italy
7 Sweden
8 Czech republic
9 Croatia
10 Romania
11 Poland
12 Switzerland
13 Russia
14 Turkey
15 Greece
165165165166 Austria

619
06-11-2008, 10:28 AM
I'm hoping Scolari considers adding Quaresma to the lineup in place of Nuno Gomes and then moving Ronaldo up to central forward. That would certainly add another dimension to our offense and somewhat make up for our lack of star power up front.

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 10:30 AM
i dont get why Spain gets so much love. They played a Russian team that was lacking 2 stars, their Defense is not that strong compared to Netherlands who had to play Italy who was stronger than Russia IMO.

Yatta!
06-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Russia 10th?

Well, thanks for that, though I'm not sure they looked like 10th best in the tournament.

I hope Hiddink knows how to fix this mess.

Shhhhh I need to console myself somehow. They did knock us out in qualifying.

I'm looking forward to Portugal v Czech Republic, I like that idea 619. Ronaldo has proved he can play centre forward this season.

wicket
06-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Because the spanish have more finished players, the dutch will be getting heaps more love when they show they can maintain there level for the france game, if they win that one, or even get away with a draw that had potential to be more they'll (we'll) get a lot more credit i think

619
06-11-2008, 10:34 AM
Spain was atop my power rankings before the start of Euro and they did nothing to change it. In fact, they impressed me more so than I would have thought for a team who are typical underachievers.

Addict
06-11-2008, 10:43 AM
I'm bored so here are my power rankings after the first round of matches.

1. Holland
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. Portugal
5. Italy
6. France
7. Czech Republic
8. Sweden
9. Croatia
10. Russia
11. Turkey
12. Romania
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Switzerland
16. Austria
I'd say that only the top 4 teams have looked particularly good.

Greece to me is the absolute bottom feeder so far. Although Switzerland didn't look strong either, all the Greek team managed was to look absolutely pathetic. Russia didn't impress me AT ALL against Spain, who did give them some room but their passing in the first half was absolutely terrible.

Italy did play well in spite of (oh I just love saying it) losing 3-0, but I think that's more the merit of Holland playing (waaaay) better than expected.

Romania did well against France, who did miss Henry but I think you're giving a bit too much credit to Croatia, who really had no business winning that game, a tie would have been much more appropriate.

My rankings

1. Holland - you beat the world champions 3-0, you're number one

2a. Portugal - played a good game but had some trouble scoring the second goal, which I felt was partly due to the lack of a true striker

2b. Germany - damn germans always do well when it matters

2c. Spain - Played well, but I'm not jumping on this bandwagon until they play Sweden on the 14th

3. Sweden - Made a game against a very closed, slow-playing and piss-poor Greek team look half-decent, and Zlatan on his way back

4. Italy - Although the age of their players worries me (is it seven starters well in their thirties?) they are still the World champs and the fact they lost monday they didn't play a real bad game

5. France - Didn't look good against Romania, but they did miss Henry who should be back in time to play Holland next friday (pity)

6. Czech Republic - Tough call here, one of the two teams who did win but failed to impress me. Since I feel the Czechs have the better team, they go ahead of Croatia

7. Croatia - Yeah, they won, but they looked horrible doing it and in the second half nearly lost their lead (probably deserved to lose it too.

8. Romania - if they weren't in the pool of death, I'd give them a pretty good shot of making it to the quarterfinals, alas, they are in fact in group C and I feel that they won't get many points after the tie against France

9. Austria - Nearly tied it up against Croatia and probably deserved the one point too

10. Turkey - Even though they lose their captain Emre to injury for a few games, they are a solid team who could still make the quarterfinals

11. Poland - Didn't look good at all against Germany but that's more a compliment to the germans. However, with Croatia and Austria not looking superb, they still have a fair shot at making it to the quarterfinals

12. Switzerland - Lost their captain and striker Frei, but do show a lot of heart and really want to win badly

13. Russia - Sure, Spain played a great game, but part of it was due to russia's complete ineptitude in the first half. Passing is appearently not the Russian style and their defense was terrible. Hopefully Hiddink can turn them around.

14. Greece - Rarely have I seen a team play this poor at a EC. All they did was defend poorly, their strikers SUCK (charisteas? seriously?) and they are really showing why it was such a surprise when they won it all four years ago.

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 10:45 AM
Well i think the Greece defense was not that bad but they played piss boring

iowatreat54
06-11-2008, 12:14 PM
Ronaldo has had some pretty entertaining flops and dives today...I hope Czech pull out a win here

EDIT: booooo flopper with a good goal

EDIT 2: hahaha he even flops after he scores

619
06-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Congrats boys and there is only one Ronaldo. :D Glad to see Quaresma coming in and contributing immediately. He is far too talented to be wasted on the bench. Off to the quarters it is.

Yung Money
06-11-2008, 02:05 PM
FORCA PORTUGAL! They some how pulled it out. Loved the imediate impact Quaresma had in this game definitely think he should be starting.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:13 PM
I don't get the flack for poland, they played a good game but Germany just where unstoppable at times. In fact they where setting the pace for the early part of the second hall before german took over again.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:15 PM
I wish Germany had some of the Portuguese wingers on their team.

Yatta!
06-11-2008, 02:21 PM
Is anyone watching the Switzerland-Turkey game?

The pitch is an absolute joke, the ball keeps getting stuck in the water.

619
06-11-2008, 02:26 PM
I don't get the flack for poland, they played a good game but Germany just where unstoppable at times. In fact they where setting the pace for the early part of the second hall before german took over again.

I had Poland ranked higher than some in my power rankings at #10. The loss of Lewandowski for their next game will certainly hurt though.

I wish Germany had some of the Portuguese wingers on their team.

Portugal has one one of the deepest midfields in the Euro tournament. Quaresma, Nani, Miguel Veloso on the bench? Are you kidding me?? Absolutely stacked.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:32 PM
I had Poland ranked higher than some in my power rankings at #10. The loss of Lewandowski for their next game will certainly hurt though.



Portugal has one one of the deepest midfields in the Euro tournament. Quaresma, Nani, Miguel Veloso on the bench? Are you kidding me?? Absolutely stacked.

Quaresma on the bench is sick, although we've gotta schweini on the bench so who knows.

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 02:36 PM
well our wingers are not that bad. Podolski, Schweini, Fritz are not that bad. We also have Borowski on the bench who is also pretty good

rukster
06-11-2008, 02:36 PM
I wish Germany had some of the Portuguese wingers on their team.

Germany is a hell of a team. I think they can go far.

I cant wait until tomorrow at noon. Hrvatska takes on our blood brothers in Germany. Gonna be a tough one, and a good one.

I'll admit, Croatia played a weak 2nd half, Austria probably could've scored like 7 goals on us, but all that matters is that we got the W, and we;ve moved on.

I have faith Slavan Bilic, gonna be a hell of a game tomorrow.

the dude
06-11-2008, 02:37 PM
Is anyone watching the Switzerland-Turkey game?

The pitch is an absolute joke, the ball keeps getting stuck in the water.

yeah, but its still funny to watch

619
06-11-2008, 02:41 PM
Is anyone watching the Switzerland-Turkey game?

The pitch is an absolute joke, the ball keeps getting stuck in the water.

I just had a feeling this game was gonna be a snoozefest lol.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:46 PM
well our wingers are not that bad. Podolski, Schweini, Fritz are not that bad. We also have Borowski on the bench who is also pretty good

Poldi doesn't have much experience on the wing, schweini's had a down year and despite Fritz's awesome play against poland I'm still not a believer. Plus is Low really trying Borowski out on the outside? I figured he'd be backing up Ballack and Frings up the middle.

yodabear
06-11-2008, 02:46 PM
Is anyone watching the Switzerland-Turkey game?

The pitch is an absolute joke, the ball keeps getting stuck in the water.

It is, the Swiss goal may have been the cheapest goal ever. It was a great pass given the condition. But dude with cool name had it on a tee for him. They can't cancel this, it will be a mutiny.

I got the Germans winning this. It will prolly change over the days to come, but Spain is like the 90s Atlanta Braves, they play great in the regular season or pool play, but then they lose in the playoffs or knockout round. As far as another favorite, Ronoldo and the Portugese, I think they look real good, but I didn't know Portugal was in Europe I thought it was in South America, so they don't get my pick. Lastly, uh.... the Netherlands. Well, I think they'll get to the championship but lose to the Germans.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:47 PM
Germany is a hell of a team. I think they can go far.

I cant wait until tomorrow at noon. Hrvatska takes on our blood brothers in Germany. Gonna be a tough one, and a good one.

I'll admit, Croatia played a weak 2nd half, Austria probably could've scored like 7 goals on us, but all that matters is that we got the W, and we;ve moved on.

I have faith Slavan Bilic, gonna be a hell of a game tomorrow.

I think it should be a good flowing game, but with Eduardo out I don't know if Croatia can beat the German defense.

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 02:54 PM
I mentioned Borowski telling u we still have some nice guys on the bench. Podolski seems pretty awesome as a winger, he had an incredible game against Zyprus and Poland, serbia and seems to like it.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 02:58 PM
I mentioned Borowski telling u we still have some nice guys on the bench. Podolski seems pretty awesome as a winger, he had an incredible game against Zyprus and Poland, serbia and seems to like it.

Oh I like our bench a lot. I just think we're a little weak on outsides when it comes to attacking. If Prince Poldi is comfotable out there I guess that's a solution. Personally I'd use Poldi right behind the strikers and let him work with Klose and Gomez around the box but he's a talented player and can be effective in many spots.

You're in germany so you see more bundesliga than me, how has Trochowski been? I loved that kid when he was with Bayern's amateur team, I had an uncle who worked with him there, but I haven't followed him much since his move to Hamburg.

thefalconer
06-11-2008, 03:01 PM
As far as another favorite, Ronoldo and the Portugese, I think they look real good, but I didn't know Portugal was in Europe I thought it was in South America, so they don't get my pick.

..seriously?

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 03:03 PM
..seriously?

you've got a problem with that reasoning?

Gay Ork Wang
06-11-2008, 03:18 PM
Yoda is always serious, how dare u question Yoda? Im his Germasian Protege!

i dont see a lot of Bundesliga games because im not really interested in the bundesliga..
but Trochowsky looked pretty fine against Belarus. I really miss Marin though, i really really liked him

Yatta!
06-11-2008, 03:20 PM
Phil Scolari (the Portugal manager) has just been appointed as Chelsea manager for next season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7449627.stm

brat316
06-11-2008, 03:21 PM
anyone try the UEFA PRO EURO 2008 game on xbox i liked it thought it was better than FiFA.

thefalconer
06-11-2008, 03:43 PM
arda.. absolute class.

thefalconer
06-11-2008, 03:44 PM
Phil Scolari (the Portugal manager) has just been appointed as Chelsea manager for next season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7449627.stm

not surprised. bet his deal is huge. too bad manchester will trump them again next year. arent they in need of a pretty big roster overhaul?

Yatta!
06-11-2008, 03:45 PM
not surprised. bet his deal is huge. too bad manchester will trump them again next year. arent they in need of a pretty big roster overhaul?

I wouldn't say so but there probably will be. I would expect quite a few players to leave, and some big names at that.

BufFan71
06-11-2008, 06:12 PM
wat do any Swiss, or other fans think about Hakan Yakin?

i always use BSC Young Boys on FIfa, and hes always my best player
but since i dont really watch or follow soccer outside of the Euro, and World Cup
ive never watched him play till today...



btw, no team i have wanted to win, has won so far, they have either tied, or lost :(

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 06:42 PM
Scolari will do great at chelsea, one of the best in the world at commanding stars respect and building a team around stars, getting complimentary players in spots to excel.

619
06-11-2008, 06:43 PM
btw, no team i have wanted to win, has won so far, they have either tied, or lost :(

You wanted Portugal to lose. Shame on you.

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 06:46 PM
You wanted Portugal to lose. Shame on you.

I hate Portugal almost as much as I hate Italy, and a smidge above england.

619
06-11-2008, 06:47 PM
I hate Portugal almost as much as I hate Italy, and a smidge above england.

Do you support Germany? What have we ever done to you? lol. Italy I understand though haha.

BufFan71
06-11-2008, 06:53 PM
You wanted Portugal to lose. Shame on you.

i just wanted to see the "Greatest soccer player" fail

BufFan71
06-11-2008, 06:54 PM
my top teams that i have been rooting for

Poland- parents are from there
Greece- idky
Switzerland- Hakan Yakin

TheGreatEscape
06-11-2008, 07:06 PM
Do you support Germany? What have we ever done to you? lol. Italy I understand though haha.

You flop, which reminds me of the Italians.

BufFan71
06-12-2008, 05:56 AM
Poland vs Austria
and
Germany vs Croatia


predictions
poland-1 Austria-0
Germany-2 Croatia-0

MaxV
06-12-2008, 12:36 PM
WOW.

Croatia 2 - Germany 0.

This is a bit of a shocker.

Caddy
06-12-2008, 12:38 PM
My hot tip for Euro 2008: Croatia.

Go Croatia!!

Gay Ork Wang
06-12-2008, 12:58 PM
That was so freakin embarrassing. Pls everyone Kill Jansen...

619
06-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Incredible. Just incredible. If I'm not mistaken there's a fair chance the Portuguese could meet the Germans now in the second round if everything goes as expected.

BufFan71
06-12-2008, 01:08 PM
That was so freakin embarrassing. Pls everyone Kill Jansen...


and Ballack
he played horrible too, every single person he touched, he looked like he was trying to kill them

Stufazz
06-12-2008, 02:57 PM
austria have done everything but score, shud of been 4-0 up at half time! this is actually been good game with both teams having to going for it

BufFan71
06-12-2008, 03:47 PM
im speechless after the Poland-Austria game


that was Poland's game, and the ref GIVES the tie to Austria
dumbest call ive seen so far in the tournament



man, add Austria to the list of teams i absolutly hate, just because of that refs decision

TheGreatEscape
06-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Uefa couldn't let the second host nation go out this fast as well.

As for germany i've gotta give props to the croatian midfield and bag on ours that was a terrible game and the Jansen in midfield thing's gotta end, he's clearly not comfortable there. We played sloppy, there was none of the precision that we saw against Poland and the team clearly put too much stake in our first Euro win since 96 and favorite status. This was what I was afraid would happen but am glad it happened now and not in the knockout phase. The team needs to pick up there play and womp Austria.

TimD
06-12-2008, 04:02 PM
Wilhelmsson is a big loss, but I hear that Johan Elmander may take his place, and I want to see what he can do in international play. Lets go BlueYellow!

TheGreatEscape
06-12-2008, 04:20 PM
Wilhelmsson is a big loss, but I hear that Johan Elmander may take his place, and I want to see what he can do in international play. Lets go BlueYellow!

Elmander and zlatan will be nice to see working together.

TimD
06-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Elmander and zlatan will be nice to see working together.

yeah. hopefully Larsson will step up. To be honest I was a bit disappointed

Bengalsrz
06-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Croatia wins again!! As did Turkey, both of my teams are doing great so far.

Gay Ork Wang
06-12-2008, 04:43 PM
Jansen isnt playing midfield

rukster
06-12-2008, 05:27 PM
HRVATSKA....HRVATSKA....HRVATSKA

YES!!!! Huge game. I hate taking to people telling me that Germany played a bad game...NO Croatia played that good of a game. Every time a German touched the ball, there was a Croatian in his face. The croatians got off to a slow start, but about 5minutes into the game, they took control of the 1st half. I loved how they slowed the tempo down and controlled the game.

Slaven Bilic is GREAT. Love the enthusiam and his strategies. Great game by the Hrvats. We got the division all but on a wrap.

Hey, 619, its too bad that Portugal is going to win their group, I would have loved nothing more than the Croatians kicking the ***** outta Portugal. As would Chicken Little. Hrvatska Nogomet.

GermanSaint
06-12-2008, 05:41 PM
ohhh my !

please kill me !

we are very far from favorites now.... typical german playing against croatia in europa cup !