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D-Unit
06-13-2008, 01:15 AM
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Welcome to the 2008 NFLDC NBA Forum Mock Draft!

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Most of you know the routine. We'll need owners for all 30 teams. If all teams are not fill up by Friday night, then posters may own more than 1 team. However, if someone new comes along wanting one of the teams, I would hope the owners of multiple teams to give one up.

Here's the deal for this mock. I really want to avoid crazy crazy reformations, so there are going to be a few restrictions.

1. A team can only have 1 trade involving the swapping of players.

2. A team can only have 1 trade involving ONLY draft picks.

So that means at the most 1 team can have 2 total trades. You cannot have a player for pick(s) trade.

3. There is no Trade Approval Board. All trades worked out between teams are ok, but remember there is a limit on how many trades you have. All trades must pass ESPN's Trade Machine.

4. Only eligible players to be traded are the ones who have a clickable checkbox on ESPN's trade machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

5. Players on the "No Trade" List cannot be traded.

"No Trade" List
Al Horford, Atl
Al Jefferson, Min
Andrew Bogut, Mil
Brandon Roy, Por
Carmelo Anthony, Den
Caron Butler, Was
Chris Bosh, Tor
Chris Kaman, LAC
Chris Paul, NO
David Lee, NY
David West, NO
Deron Williams, Uta
Dirk Nowitzki, Dal
Dwight Howard, Orl
Dwyane Wade, Mia
Emeka Okafor, Cha
Emmanuel Ginobili, SA
Jason Kidd, Dal
Joe Johnson, Atl
Josh Smith, Atl
Kevin Durant, Sea
Kevin Garnett, Bos
Kevin Martin, Sac
Kobe Bryant, LAL
LeBron James, Cle
Luol Deng, Chi
Pau Gasol, LAL
Rajon Rondo, Bos
Rashard Lewis, Orl
Ray Allen, Bos
Raymond Felton, Cha
Rudy ***, Mem
Shaquille O'Neal, Pho
Steve Nash, Pho
Tim Duncan, SA
Tony Parker, SA
Yao Ming, Hou


Pick your teams! The Orlando Magic are taken. ;)

State the following when claiming your team.

NBA Team:
Forum Name:
AIM S/N:

NBA Team: Charlotte Bobcats
Forum Name: Jensen
AIM S/N: admiral550

Team name: Chicago Bulls
Username: Eagles own the NFC East
AIM s/n: blew1091

Team Name: Cleveland Cavaliers
Forum name: BrownsTown
AIM s/n: BrownsTown44060.

Team: Dallas Mavericks
Forum Name: Paul
Reach me by PM's or on IRC. I'm always on.

Team name: Denver Nuggets
Username: Go Cowboys
AIM s/n: Tri Co Cubs4

Team- Detroit Pistons
Forum Name- Lions WMD
AIM S/N- Nickkkkkkkkkkk

Team- Golden State Warriors
Forum Name- RoyHall#1
AIM S/N- JrTiger0219

Team name: Houston Rockets
Username: bernbabybern820
AIM s/n: bernbabybern820

NBA Team: Miami Heat
Forum Name: Tampa 2 4 Life
AIM S/N: SaberToothedPie

Memphis Grizzlies
DJC
DTRacing747

nba team : Milwaukee Bucks
nfldc name : princefielder28
aim : princefielder28

NBA Team: Minnesota Timberwolves
Forum Name: DJC
AIM S/N: DTRacing747

Team: Nets
Forum name: scottyboy
AIM: zimmms6572
IRC: scottyboyRU

Team- New Orleans Hornets
Forum Name- diabsoule
AIM S/N- graveflower137
irc name - diabsoule

Team- New York Knicks
Forum Name- LTgiants
AIM S/N- airkg360

NBA Team: Orlando Magic
Forum Name: D-Unit
AIM S/N: dunitnfldc

NBA Team: Philadelphia 76ers
NFLDC Name: BeerBaron
AIM SN: BeerBaron2006
IRC: I'll be on what I can this weekend

NBA Team: Phoenix Suns
Forum Name: fenikz
AIM S/N: mrprimc

Team: Portland Trailblazers
Forum Name: Brodeur
AIM: HHHblows5

Team- Sacramento Kings
Forum- MetSox17
AIM- XxG UnitxX

NBA Team: Seattle Sonics
Forum Name: thetedginnshow
AIM S/N: TEW As Himself

Team Name: Toronto Raptors
Forum Name:Chucky
AIM: Dont Have but will make one if neccessary.

NBA Team: Utah Jazz
NFLDC:Bearsfan123
AIM:Soqqer21H

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East Teams

Atlantic Division
Boston Celtics - Jay
New Jersey Nets - scottyboy
New York Knicks - LTgiants
Philadelphia 76ers - BeerBaron
Toronto Raptors - Chucky

Central Division
Chicago Bulls - Eagles own the NFC East
Cleveland Cavaliers - Brownstown
Detroit Pistons - LionsWMD
Indiana Pacers - princefielder28
Milwaukee Bucks - princefielder28

Southeast Division
Atlanta Hawks - LonghornsLegend
Charlotte Bobcats - Jensen
Miami Heat - Tampa 2 4 Life
Orlando Magic - D-Unit
Washington Wizards - Dr. Gonzo


West Teams

Southwest Division
Dallas Mavericks - Paul
Houston Rockets - bernbabybern820
Memphis Grizzlies - DJC
New Orleans Hornets - diabsoule
San Antonio Spurs

Northwest Division
Denver Nuggets - Go Cowboys
Minnesota Timberwolves - DJC
Portland Trail Blazers - Brodeur
Seattle SuperSonics - thetedginnshow
Utah Jazz - Bearsfan123

Pacific Division
Golden State Warriors - RoyHall#1
Los Angeles Clippers - Metsox
Los Angeles Lakers - tedginnshow
Phoenix Suns - feniks
Sacramento Kings - MetSox

fenikz
06-13-2008, 01:18 AM
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NBA Team: Phoenix Suns
Forum Name: fenikz
AIM S/N: mrprimc

WMD
06-13-2008, 01:20 AM
Team- Detroit Pistons
Forum Name- Lions WMD
AIM S/N- Nickkkkkkkkkkk

WMD
06-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Are we doing Free Agency?

MetSox17
06-13-2008, 01:24 AM
Team- Sacramento Kings
Forum- MetSox17
AIM- XxG UnitxX

LTgiants
06-13-2008, 01:28 AM
Team- New York Knicks
Forum Name- LTgiants
AIM S/N- airkg360

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 01:29 AM
Are we doing Free Agency?
No and I'm working on a "No Trades" list of players.

djp
06-13-2008, 01:35 AM
Minnesota Timberwolves
AIM:djp4516

WMD
06-13-2008, 01:44 AM
No and I'm working on a "No Trades" list of players.

Need some help?

WMD
06-13-2008, 01:45 AM
Minnesota Timberwolves
AIM:djp4516

WHAT IS YOUR FORUM NAME?!?!?!?!?

thetedginnshow
06-13-2008, 01:51 AM
NBA Team: Seattle Sonics
Forum Name: thetedginnshow
AIM S/N: TEW As Himself

Chucky
06-13-2008, 07:32 AM
Team Name: Toronto Raptors
Forum Name:Chucky
AIM: Dont Have but will make one if neccessary.

Tampa 2 4 life
06-13-2008, 09:45 AM
NBA Team: Miami Heat
Forum Name: Tampa 2 4 Life
AIM S/N: SaberToothedPie

Paul
06-13-2008, 10:24 AM
Hell to the yeah.

Team: Dallas Mavericks
Forum Name: Paul
Reach me by PM's or on IRC. I'm always on.

Jensen
06-13-2008, 11:47 AM
NBA Team: Charlotte Bobcats
Forum Name: Jensen
AIM S/N: admiral550

BrownsTown
06-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Team Name: Cleveland Cavaliers
Forum name: BrownsTown
AIM s/n: BrownsTown44060.

Also, I have a question. Can we have a deal with players and picks combined for players and picks? That would just count as both of our trades right?

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 01:30 PM
Team Name: Cleveland Cavaliers
Forum name: BrownsTown
AIM s/n: BrownsTown44060.

Also, I have a question. Can we have a deal with players and picks combined for players and picks? That would just count as both of our trades right?
No, you may not have 2 trades that involve moving players. You have 1 chance to trade players, so make it count.

WMD
06-13-2008, 01:39 PM
I think he means like.. if I traded Rip Hamilton and #29 for Salim Stoudamire.. that would use up both of my allowed trades, yes?

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 01:45 PM
I think he means like.. if I traded Rip Hamilton and #29 for Salim Stoudamire.. that would use up both of my allowed trades, yes?
That would be your 1 player(s) for player(s) trade. Then you would only have 1 more opportunity to trade, but it could only involve the moving of picks.

I'm going to update the rules.

All Player trades must be passed through ESPN's Trade Machine.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-13-2008, 01:48 PM
when are we doing this draft?

Team name: Chicago Bulls
Username: Eagles own the NFC East
AIM s/n: blew1091

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 01:50 PM
when are we doing this draft?

Team name: Chicago Bulls
Username: Eagles own the NFC East
AIM s/n: blew1091
We'll play it by ear. Still waiting for sign ups.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-13-2008, 01:54 PM
If its the day of the draft then I might not be able to do it (thought I could send a list) because I will be there.

And I think David Lee shouldn't be untouchable, he is an awful fit for D'Antoni's offense (no i don't want him lol) and Amare should be untouchable.

princefielder28
06-13-2008, 02:03 PM
nba team : Milwaukee Bucks
nfldc name : princefielder28
aim : princefielder28

fenikz
06-13-2008, 02:06 PM
If its the day of the draft then I might not be able to do it (thought I could send a list) because I will be there.

And I think David Lee shouldn't be untouchable, he is an awful fit for D'Antoni's offense (no i don't want him lol) and Amare should be untouchable.

most definitely, he is less likely to be traded than Nash or Shaq

he was what 5th in MVP voting?

Paul
06-13-2008, 02:19 PM
That would be your 1 player(s) for player(s) trade. Then you would only have 1 more opportunity to trade, but it could only involve the moving of picks.

I'm going to update the rules.

All Player trades must be passed through ESPN's Trade Machine.

Sign and trades okay?

BeerBaron
06-13-2008, 02:43 PM
NBA Team: Philadelphia 76ers
NFLDC Name: BeerBaron
AIM SN: BeerBaron2006
IRC: I'll be on what I can this weekend

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 03:34 PM
most definitely, he is less likely to be traded than Nash or Shaq

he was what 5th in MVP voting?
That doesn't mean that his name hasn't ever been on the rumor trade block. You know his name has been there if you really follow your team closely.

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 03:35 PM
Sign and trades okay?
Since S&Ts are tricky, they will need to be passed by me.

I'm also debating a controlled Free Agency. Hmm....

Paul
06-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Do it D! All I have is 2nd round pick. I need to revamp my team somehow.

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 04:39 PM
Do it D! All I have is 2nd round pick. I need to revamp my team somehow.
Somebody supply me with the FA's broken down by teams and whether they are UFA or RFA. Then yeah, we can do it.

BrownsTown
06-13-2008, 04:41 PM
http://www.nba.com/transactions/movement2008_index.html

DJC
06-13-2008, 08:27 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves
DJC
DTRacing747

diabsoule
06-13-2008, 08:50 PM
Team- New Orleans Hornets
Forum Name- diabsoule
AIM S/N- graveflower137
irc name - diabsoule

thetedginnshow
06-13-2008, 08:54 PM
Just so you know, IRL Azubuike opted out.

Brodeur
06-13-2008, 08:55 PM
Team: Portland Trailblazers
Forum Name: Brodeur
AIM: HHHblows5

scottyboy
06-13-2008, 08:59 PM
i'm the resident Nets fan, so I'm grabbing them!

Team: Nets
Forum name: scottyboy
AIM: zimmms6572
IRC: scottyboyRU

I'll listen to offers for anyone but Sean Williams and Devin Harris

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 09:13 PM
Just so you know, IRL Azubuike opted out.
That's good. If anyone knows about any one else, just update me. Thanks.

Paul
06-13-2008, 09:17 PM
i'm the resident Nets fan, so I'm grabbing them!

Team: Nets
Forum name: scottyboy
AIM: zimmms6572
IRC: scottyboyRU

I'll listen to offers for anyone but Sean Williams and Devin Harris

Interested in Kidd?

djp
06-13-2008, 09:19 PM
D, I'm gonna have to pull out of this.

Sorry! Don't hurt me!

scottyboy
06-13-2008, 09:28 PM
Interested in Kidd?

hmm I'll give you Diop, Hassel, Devin Harris, Keith VanHorn, pick 21 and my piick in 2010 and my 2nd in 2009, but you'll also have to throw in Antoine Wright

DJC
06-13-2008, 09:32 PM
I'll take the TWolves since DJP dropped out.

D-Unit
06-13-2008, 09:51 PM
I'll take the TWolves since DJP dropped out.
Unless someone wants the Grizz, you can have both.

DJC
06-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Unless someone wants the Grizz, you can have both.
Ok cool. I have a trade to announce.

Minnesota Trade
Antoine Walker
Marko Jaric

Memphis Trades
#5
Mike Miller

scottyboy
06-13-2008, 10:12 PM
this one player trade thing is gonna kill me D. Can't I just make a trade for Douby and that not count? :D

BrownsTown
06-13-2008, 11:14 PM
How are restricted free agents gonna work?

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 12:04 AM
How are restricted free agents gonna work?
Send me the offers and I will make the best decision based off the reasoning you give me.

BrownsTown
06-14-2008, 12:12 AM
And what if no offers are made? Do we sign them to any contract we want or...

diabsoule
06-14-2008, 12:35 AM
So we just throw out a contract to the RFA's?

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 12:39 AM
Eagles own the NFC East is confused.

diabsoule
06-14-2008, 12:52 AM
Eagles own the NFC East is confused.

So is diabsoule. I don't know how to go about offering contracts to RFA's.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:16 AM
And what if no offers are made? Do we sign them to any contract we want or...
There is going to be 2 deadlines for teams to send in FA offers.

If you are the current team of any RFA that is bid on, then you will be notified and you will have a chance to match the offer sheet.

If you are the current team of a RFA that is unbid on, then you can sign them for whatever you want after FA bidding is over.

thetedginnshow
06-14-2008, 02:25 AM
If we decide that we're not going to retain a RFA, is that money added to the amount we're under the cap?

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 04:04 AM
If we decide that we're not going to retain a RFA, is that money added to the amount we're under the cap?
No. If you're under the cap, you stay at that exact same number if you don't sign your RFA. If you do resign a RFA, then cap is used up for the amount you spent.

If you are over the cap and you want to resign a RFA, then all you have is your MLE to spend. If a team under the cap offers more than the MLE ($6M/year), then you can't match and are forced to lose the RFA. That's why teams work hard to be under the cap by trading expiring contracts.

ie. Orlando Magic send Steve Francis to NY Knicks for Penny Hardaway. Trade value based of player talent was terrible. But Orlando wanted the cap space, which they ended up using on Rashard Lewis.

thetedginnshow
06-14-2008, 04:53 AM
And are we using a consensus site for team salaries? Hoopshype or another one? What's the salary set at? I assume we're going off of the 08/09 salary figure.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 05:11 AM
And are we using a consensus site for team salaries? Hoopshype or another one? What's the salary set at? I assume we're going off of the 08/09 salary figure.
I'm looking off Hoopshype. Salary cap will be $56M unless somebody has a good reason to change it.

WMD
06-14-2008, 05:41 AM
I don't think we can go off the 08/09 Salary Cap since the ESPN Trade Machine is going off of the 07/08 Salaries.

Bearsfan123
06-14-2008, 11:07 AM
NBA Team: Utah Jazz
NFLDC:Bearsfan123
AIM:Soqqer21H

BrownsTown
06-14-2008, 12:00 PM
No. If you're under the cap, you stay at that exact same number if you don't sign your RFA. If you do resign a RFA, then cap is used up for the amount you spent.

If you are over the cap and you want to resign a RFA, then all you have is your MLE to spend. If a team under the cap offers more than the MLE ($6M/year), then you can't match and are forced to lose the RFA. That's why teams work hard to be under the cap by trading expiring contracts.

ie. Orlando Magic send Steve Francis to NY Knicks for Penny Hardaway. Trade value based of player talent was terrible. But Orlando wanted the cap space, which they ended up using on Rashard Lewis.

That's not true actually.

Larry Bird exception

Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA's salary cap exceptions, it is so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "qualifying veteran free agents" or "Bird Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception falls under the auspices of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.

Early Bird exception

This is the lesser form of the Larry Bird Exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "early qualifying veteran free agents," and qualify after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than five seasons.

A much-publicized example for this would be Devean George, who vetoed his inclusion into a larger trade during the 2007-08 that would have sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the New Jersey Nets because he would have lost his Early Bird rights.

Essentially the cap isn't restricted for re-signings.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 12:07 PM
That's not true actually.

Larry Bird exception

Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA's salary cap exceptions, it is so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "qualifying veteran free agents" or "Bird Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception falls under the auspices of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.

Early Bird exception

This is the lesser form of the Larry Bird Exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "early qualifying veteran free agents," and qualify after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than five seasons.

A much-publicized example for this would be Devean George, who vetoed his inclusion into a larger trade during the 2007-08 that would have sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the New Jersey Nets because he would have lost his Early Bird rights.

Essentially the cap isn't restricted for re-signings.
Can you provide an official listing of all the FAs who have Bird rights? If so, we'll do it.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 12:37 PM
These teams need owners. For those interested in doubling up teams, start considering taking one over. The only thing, you won't be able to trade between yourself.

Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers
Los Angeles Lakers
Denver Nuggets
San Antonio Spurs
Houston Rockets
Washington Wizards
Atlanta Hawks
Indiana Pacers
Boston Celtics

diabsoule
06-14-2008, 12:40 PM
The Hornets are looking to add a SG. Please PM for offers.

LonghornsLegend
06-14-2008, 12:43 PM
I would like the Hawks.

Team: Hawks
Forum name: LonghornsLegend


Reach me through pm's for anything I just deleted aim because I barely use it.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 12:44 PM
PM me or AIM me for trade offers for the likes of Hinrich, Ben Gordon, and Tyrus Thomas.

princefielder28
06-14-2008, 12:52 PM
I'll take the Pacers if no one else gets them as their first team

Paul
06-14-2008, 12:58 PM
Dallas Mavericks welcomes new addition
Ron Artest to the Team

http://musicwarship.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/artest.jpg

Dallas has finally added that defensive monster they needed since the Don Nelson days. An enforcer next to our star Dirk, and a player who adds much needed toughness to the team.Not to mention he is a fine scorer as well. And despite a few little riffs, he thrived and played very well under Rick Carlisle's system before.

Josh Howard has pretty much over welcomed his stay here in Dallas. Even before his little ganja confession, he was thin ice because of his play. Despite the stats, if you watched any Mavericks games this past season you saw turnovers, bad shot selection and boneheaded mistakes. May just need a change of scenery(though I always hate that cliche, it maybe true). JJB and the 2nd round pick were after thoughts.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:00 PM
I really love that trade for both sides.

Kevin Martin gets a legit running mate in Howard to build for the future and the Mavs get a guy who can help them immediately and gives them some much needed toughness.

Perfect kind of deal that I hope more owners can figure out.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:01 PM
These teams need owners. For those interested in doubling up teams, start considering taking one over. The only thing, you won't be able to trade between yourself.

Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers
Los Angeles Lakers
Denver Nuggets
San Antonio Spurs
Houston Rockets
Washington Wizards
Boston Celtics

PF, I gave you the Pacers.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 01:07 PM
I really love that trade for both sides.

Kevin Martin gets a legit running mate in Howard to build for the future and the Mavs get a guy who can help them immediately and gives them some much needed toughness.

Perfect kind of deal that I hope more owners can figure out.

Exactly how I feel. The Chicago Bulls are entertaining offers for THE FIRST OVERALL PICK. Anyone who wants Rose or Beasley get at US.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 01:10 PM
somebody take the clippers I need to talk trade with them.

LonghornsLegend
06-14-2008, 01:14 PM
Good stuff Paul, all I'm hoping for this off season is to bring Artest in, we need somebody like him around and Carlise being here strengthens that possibility.


Owners looking for a Forward Josh Childress is on the block.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:36 PM
Orlando is looking for a second round pick.

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 01:44 PM
Orlando is looking for a second round pick.

I got plenty of em baby. Watchu want. lol

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 01:47 PM
These teams need owners. For those interested in doubling up teams, start considering taking one over. The only thing, you won't be able to trade between yourself.

Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers
Los Angeles Lakers
Denver Nuggets
San Antonio Spurs
Houston Rockets
Washington Wizards
Boston Celtics

PF, I gave you the Pacers.

I'll take over the Clips as well

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:55 PM
I got plenty of em baby. Watchu want. lol
Well, you have to remember, you can only do a picks for picks trade now that you've used up your player for player trade.

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 01:56 PM
I'll take over the Clips as well
OK. That's fine.

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Well, you have to remember, you can only do a picks for picks trade now that you've used up your player for player trade.

Yeah i know. I was wondering why you made that rule though. I mean i understand that sometimes people get carried away with the trading, but just one? :confused:

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 02:06 PM
Yeah i know. I was wondering why you made that rule though. I mean i understand that sometimes people get carried away with the trading, but just one? :confused:
You can still trade your picks, plus we have FA to improve your team. If the Kings pull off more than 2 trades in real life, I would be shocked.

LonghornsLegend
06-14-2008, 02:12 PM
How do picks for picks trades work, meaning, we can only move up or down basically?

RoyHall#1
06-14-2008, 02:13 PM
Team- Golden State Warriors
Forum Name- RoyHall#1
AIM S/N- JrTiger0219

Paul
06-14-2008, 02:15 PM
Here's a couple good site for all the NBA exceptions and Salary Cap rules.

http://cavscourt.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/nba-101-wednesday-salary-caps/
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 02:17 PM
How do picks for picks trades work, meaning, we can only move up or down basically?
That's correct.

scottyboy
06-14-2008, 02:37 PM
well that sucks. Sac-town alreadt made a trade, now I can't get Douby :(

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 02:47 PM
awww pooor scotty now he is going to have a horrible team o wait Douby doesn't make a difference anyway haha jk.

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 03:01 PM
well that sucks. Sac-town alreadt made a trade, now I can't get Douby :(

Lol sorry Scotty, i knew you would want him, but i couldn't sacrifice getting Josh Howard for Artest. You would have needed to give me Devin Herris for Quincy Douby lol

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 03:06 PM
Lol sorry Scotty, i knew you would want him, but i couldn't sacrifice getting Josh Howard for Artest. You would have needed to give me Devin Herris for Quincy Douby lol
You could release Douby and the Nets could sign him. However, his salary would still be on your books whether he played for you or not.

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 03:15 PM
You could release Douby and the Nets could sign him. However, his salary would still be on your books whether he played for you or not.

If there was a way where I could "release" him, and he could "release" a player, but they could only sign with our teams, i'd be willing to do that.

Would you allow a player that to sign with me if he's guaranteed a spot on my team and that no other team could sign him, in exchange for me doing the same for Douby to the Nets?

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 03:18 PM
If there was a way where I could "release" him, and he could "release" a player, but they could only sign with our teams, i'd be willing to do that.

Would you allow a player that to sign with me if he's guaranteed a spot on my team and that no other team could sign him, in exchange for me doing the same for Douby to the Nets?
No guarantees for anything. But if you don't try it, who knows if it'd happen?

MetSox17
06-14-2008, 03:19 PM
No guarantees for anything. But if you don't try it, who knows if it'd happen?

Lol right. I'll just stick to my instant offense off the bench :D

Dr. Gonzo
06-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Team - Wizards
Forum Name - Dr. Gonzo
AIM - None

I am on IRC most of the time.

WMD
06-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Pistons are looking to make a dealio. Everyone except Rodney Stuckey is on the block.. and I probably won't trade Maxiell.

thetedginnshow
06-14-2008, 03:58 PM
So was something said about us using the 07/08 figures or the 08/09 ones?

Dr. Gonzo
06-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Looking to move the rights to Gilbert Arenas. I am willing to include others in the trade as well.

thetedginnshow
06-14-2008, 06:19 PM
Actually, if we're going under their current salaries, Hinrich is under the BYC so that doesn't quite work.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-14-2008, 06:21 PM
what would need to be added for that to work?

Brodeur
06-14-2008, 06:25 PM
Actually, if we're going under their current salaries, Hinrich is under the BYC so that doesn't quite work.

The Bulls are $8 million under the cap at the current 2008/2009 rate, and technically there would be a $5 million dollar or so difference so it still technically works.

EDIT: His BYC expired this season.

Dr. Gonzo
06-14-2008, 06:34 PM
I am looking to move the rights to both Gilbert Arenas and Antwan Jamison in one trade. PM me with any offers.

thetedginnshow
06-14-2008, 06:35 PM
Oh. See, I wasn't sure if we were using the 07/08 figures or the 08/09 ones, since no one has said anything yet. Because under the 07/08, it doesn't work.

Of course, I just noticed that Hoopshype has taken off the 07/08 numbers, so that could make things a little more problematic with the trade machine.

scottyboy
06-14-2008, 06:41 PM
well, if there's someone Sac-town wanted that I could cut... ;)

Maybe we can work out a deal where we swap picks and Douby gets cut :D

Marcus Williams is my main trade piece for my players trade. Good young PG who needs to get out due to Harris and slight feuding with RJ

scottyboy
06-14-2008, 06:58 PM
what is Jermaine O'Neal's trade restriction on the espn trade machine? just wondering because his box can't be checked, but I know he's on the block in real life andsuch. just wondering if it was like a date deadline or something. It won't load on my comp for some odd reason

LTgiants
06-14-2008, 07:20 PM
what is Jermaine O'Neal's trade restriction on the espn trade machine? just wondering because his box can't be checked, but I know he's on the block in real life andsuch. just wondering if it was like a date deadline or something. It won't load on my comp for some odd reason

he had an early termination option which he isnt gonna use but the trade machine isn't updated

D-Unit
06-14-2008, 07:32 PM
If the trade machine is not working out for folks then fine. Just make sure salary matches. We're not the NBA, I just want to simplify it for a forum mock. I'll be the one to review trades. Just post them in the trade thread.

Jay
06-14-2008, 08:24 PM
I can be Boston if they are still open...

D-Unit
06-15-2008, 12:01 AM
I can be Boston if they are still open...
Ok great .

BrownsTown
06-15-2008, 01:52 AM
Looking to make a big trade. PM me or AIM me at brownstown44060 if interested.

Jay
06-15-2008, 09:06 AM
AIM: AimlessEndeavor9 if anyone has trade offers. I am probably not a good trade partner due to cap constraints.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-15-2008, 10:30 AM
Just wondering not saying I'm doing it would the Bulls be able to resign all their FA's?

Brodeur
06-15-2008, 11:21 AM
Wait, where do you send the FA offers?

D-Unit
06-15-2008, 12:05 PM
Anyone want one of these teams?

Los Angeles Lakers
Denver Nuggets
San Antonio Spurs
Houston Rockets

Brodeur
06-15-2008, 02:20 PM
Just for a random thing to offset hoops hype's salary cap info, the NBA relieved the Trailblazers of Miles contract because of his injury, so the Trailblazers have $9 million less on the cap.

princefielder28
06-15-2008, 02:55 PM
Bucks are still looking to make a move...Redd is available

MetSox17
06-15-2008, 03:34 PM
I'm looking to move Elton Brand and/or Corey Maggette. PM me with offers!

D-Unit
06-15-2008, 03:35 PM
Just for a random thing to offset hoops hype's salary cap info, the NBA relieved the Trailblazers of Miles contract because of his injury, so the Trailblazers have $9 million less on the cap.

I need a link.

scottyboy
06-15-2008, 04:04 PM
Looking to deal Marcus Williams. Looking for a scoring and athletic big; not afraid to take on a bigger contract as I've got Hassell and Van Horn to throw in.

thetedginnshow
06-15-2008, 04:07 PM
Are teams allowed to sign+trade guys that opted out?

Brodeur
06-15-2008, 04:09 PM
I need a link.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Trail_Blazers_request_waivers_-267482-1218.html

MetSox17
06-15-2008, 04:09 PM
L.A Clippers trade pieces: Elton Brand, Corey Maggette

Sacramento Kings: #42, #43, #51 overall picks. Looking to move up higher in the second round/low first.

scottyboy
06-15-2008, 04:11 PM
hmmm couple of guys online right now that I've pm'ed about trades. Perhaps we can work a deal out before I'm forced to study for my trig final...

thetedginnshow
06-15-2008, 04:24 PM
If no one's going to take them, I'll be willing to take the Lakers.

Go Cowboys
06-15-2008, 08:38 PM
If no one else will take them I will take the nuggets

Bearsfan123
06-15-2008, 09:11 PM
Utah have Kirilenko, and anybody not named, Boozer or Williams.

LonghornsLegend
06-15-2008, 09:20 PM
I'm reading the Hawks were already over the cap, is that possible? I didn't think teams were allowed to go the season over, and I need to resign two restricted FA's...From what I read on espn they were 100k over, does that mean I'm already in the hole?

Jay
06-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, how the hell do I lose James Posey on a player option when I think it's pretty clear he wants to stay in Boston? I'm not buying that one...

WMD
06-15-2008, 09:51 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, how the hell do I lose James Posey on a player option when I think it's pretty clear he wants to stay in Boston? I'm not buying that one...

More money.. Most everyone expects him to opt out.

D-Unit
06-15-2008, 10:54 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, how the hell do I lose James Posey on a player option when I think it's pretty clear he wants to stay in Boston? I'm not buying that one...

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/15/posey_has_earned_his_keep/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Boston+Celtics+news

I think there are more indications that he's leaving. Especially if he can get more money.

BeerBaron
06-15-2008, 10:55 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/15/posey_has_earned_his_keep/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Boston+Celtics+news

I think there are more indications that he's leaving. Especially if he can get more money.

if they win the championship i would see no reason for him not to try and test the market with a ring on his finger

LTgiants
06-15-2008, 10:58 PM
if they win the championship i would see no reason for him not to try and test the market with a ring on his finger

u mean a 2nd ring on his finger he won with the heat

BeerBaron
06-15-2008, 10:59 PM
u mean a 2nd ring on his finger he won with the heat

all the better then. make the big money while hes a hot commodity

diabsoule
06-15-2008, 11:00 PM
The Hornets hope to get their two free agent deals approved. If things work out we'll be set.

BeerBaron
06-15-2008, 11:04 PM
question. do i have to do anything now to keep my RFA's?

bernbabybern820
06-15-2008, 11:26 PM
Team name: Houston Rockets
Username: bernbabybern820
AIM s/n: bernbabybern820

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 12:29 AM
Team name: Houston Rockets
Username: bernbabybern820
AIM s/n: bernbabybern820

you can take the rockets but they just traded Luther head. Since you were not the gl at the time you can still have your two trades as specified in the rules. You also have Utah's 2 second rounders and jaroncollins.

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 03:58 AM
The Clippers are actively shopping Corey Maggette! PM me an offer! Looking for a Big or scoring wing!

Bearsfan123
06-16-2008, 09:13 AM
The Current Utah Jazz Depth Chart
PG: Deron Williams, Luther Head, Ronnie Price, Jason Hart
SG: Ronnie Brewer, Luther Head, Morris Almond, CJ Miles
SF:Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap
C: Mehmet Okur, Kyrylo Fesenko

Outlook: We have two stars in Williams and Boozer, Brewer and Kirilenko are our Defensive stoppers. Harpring, Millsap, and Fesenko are the energy/hustle guys. Okur, and Kirilenko offer versatile games. Head and Korver are my deep snipers.

Roles: Well Deron Williams and Boozer are my unquestioned leaders of the team.Williams can put the ball in the basket at a decent clip, efficiently. Boozer plays the game hard and bangs down low, and with his nice midrange shot hes hard to stop. Both of them will probably play 35+ a game. Brewer and Kirilenko will play alot based on defensive abilities alone, but when one warms up this team is hard to beat. Head will usurp the minutes from Price, Hart and Miles. He is the backup PG and SG. Almond will start to receive minutes as he develops at SG. Harpring will play his 15-20 minutes hard as always. Korver will come off the bench with a scoring punch. Millsap will be my rebounding fiend when the team gets lazy. Okur will play his outside inside game. And Fesenko will be the big garbage man around the rim.

With my pick ill be adding to this the best way I can.

Go Cowboys
06-16-2008, 09:46 AM
Team name: Denver Nuggets
Username: Go Cowboys
AIM s/n: Tri Co Cubs4

Jay
06-16-2008, 11:47 AM
This may sound crazy, but isn't there a way you can offer half the mid level exception to two players? I don't know the salary cap stuff as well as others I guess...

BrownsTown
06-16-2008, 11:58 AM
This may sound crazy, but isn't there a way you can offer half the mid level exception to two players? I don't know the salary cap stuff as well as others I guess...

I believe you are allowed to split the MLE.

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 12:11 PM
still fielding offers for Marcus Williams and even Josh Boone is moveable. Get at me. Looking for a scoring/athletic big

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 02:18 PM
Still willing to move Reggie Evans. Perfect fit for a team who just needs a complimentary, try-hard PF. Looking just for an extra pick in addition to matching contracts

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 02:42 PM
Trade for Marcus Williams makes you wonder what Seattle is gonna do with the 4th pick

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 02:45 PM
I'm liking that trade and my offseason thus far. A starting 5 of Harris, VC, RJ, Wilcox and Sean Williams can easily compete in the east. very good big man depth too with ex starters Boone and Nenad there along with former top 10 pick O'Bryant. (And Keith Van Horn, YAY!)

I've alos got 4 picks to work with...

Eagles own the NFC East
06-16-2008, 02:47 PM
Chi-Town wants to trade up from 13th overall and will trade future picks because it is our last resort.

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 02:49 PM
Looking to move Corey Maggette ASAP! Might even take a cheaper deal ;)

Eagles own the NFC East
06-16-2008, 02:51 PM
too bad i traded hinrich already.

LTgiants
06-16-2008, 03:01 PM
the knicks are looking to make a move pm me with any offers

Go Cowboys
06-16-2008, 03:09 PM
Everyone is on the block for the Nuggets

WMD
06-16-2008, 03:11 PM
Pistons are fielding offers for Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups, and Rip Hamilton..

Jay
06-16-2008, 03:25 PM
I will trade Brian Scalabrine for a pair of Air Jordans, NBA Jam 97 for Sega Genesis and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Any takers?

Oh, and crunchy PB if possible...

TheGreatEscape
06-16-2008, 04:41 PM
damn it, I'm out of town for a weekend and this mock finally gets organized.

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 04:43 PM
Pacers are looking to make a move....Tinsley, Dunleavy, and Murphy are the 3 I am most willing to move and Jermaine O'Neal can also be had

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 05:09 PM
I have to say good trade for both sides....projecting that Seattle gets Beasley and Miami gets Bayless

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 05:15 PM
hey, i asked this earlier but didn;t get a response.

do I have to do anything right now to keep my RFA's? No one else has offered them anything that I'm aware of and I would like to keep them.

I saw in there that if no one offers them, I can sign them to whatever but I'm just making sure I don't have to do anything special to keep them.

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 05:17 PM
hey, i asked this earlier but didn;t get a response.

do I have to do anything right now to keep my RFA's? No one else has offered them anything that I'm aware of and I would like to keep them.

I saw in there that if no one offers them, I can sign them to whatever but I'm just making sure I don't have to do anything special to keep them.

only worry about them if they get an offer from another team

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 05:18 PM
only worry about them if they get an offer from another team

cool, thats what i wanted to make sure of, thanks dude

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 05:34 PM
not to sound like the dumb guy of the group, but if i'm trying to make a trade and need to cut 132k from it, is there any way a 500k trade exception can help me?

thetedginnshow
06-16-2008, 05:37 PM
not to sound like the dumb guy of the group, but if i'm trying to make a trade and need to cut 132k from it, is there any way a 500k trade exception can help me?

Do you need to cut that amount looking at it through the trade machine or for the salaries to match up? Because if it's the latter, you should try it through the trade machine because that little of an amount shouldn't be an issue. However, if it's the former, if an arrow shows up next to one of the players to be traded, click it, choose a trade exception, and see what happens.

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 05:39 PM
Do you need to cut that amount looking at it through the trade machine or for the salaries to match up? Because if it's the latter, you should try it through the trade machine because that little of an amount shouldn't be an issue. However, if it's the former, if an arrow shows up next to one of the players to be traded, click it, choose a trade exception, and see what happens.

its in the trade machine and it says i need to cut 132k coming into my team. Now I'm the 76ers and I have a 500k Kyle Korver trade exception but theres no box around it for me to click. I hit the plus sign and its there, but it must not factor into the trade still or something....

So i was just wondering if it was the trade machine having a freak out or what. because if thats the cause, I could probably just say that I would include it in the trade so it would go assuming it would help me.

edit- after playing around with it a bit, it doesn't look like any team with a trade exception has a box next to it to check like there is in unsigned draft picks and cash compensation. I could have sworn that during the last mock draft there was a box under trade exceptions because I used it then...

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 05:54 PM
when are we starting the draft???

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 06:02 PM
should be soon if all the teams are filled

thetedginnshow
06-16-2008, 06:11 PM
its in the trade machine and it says i need to cut 132k coming into my team. Now I'm the 76ers and I have a 500k Kyle Korver trade exception but theres no box around it for me to click. I hit the plus sign and its there, but it must not factor into the trade still or something....

So i was just wondering if it was the trade machine having a freak out or what. because if thats the cause, I could probably just say that I would include it in the trade so it would go assuming it would help me.

edit- after playing around with it a bit, it doesn't look like any team with a trade exception has a box next to it to check like there is in unsigned draft picks and cash compensation. I could have sworn that during the last mock draft there was a box under trade exceptions because I used it then...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1828~3202&teams=25~20&te=2995:25-831&cash=

There's an example of using the trade exception.

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 06:13 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1828~3202&teams=25~20&te=2995:25-831&cash=

There's an example of using the trade exception.

interesting. so does it only go with certain players or in certain situations then i guess?

at any rate thanks

fenikz
06-16-2008, 06:22 PM
espn's trade machine is dumb, i would just take the salaries from http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm and then apply the trade exceptions manually

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 07:25 PM
Yeah, and make sure you see if people offered your guys RFA offers. I paid a heavy price for being a little careless.

Can't hold me down though, my team's gonna look the best coming out of this!

I get an expiring contract coming in, two young, fast as hell guards to run the floor and i end up having three picks in the top 17.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 07:36 PM
Yeah, and make sure you see if people offered your guys RFA offers. I paid a heavy price for being a little careless.

Can't hold me down though, my team's gonna look the best coming out of this!

I get an expiring contract coming in, two young, fast as hell guards to run the floor and i end up having three picks in the top 17.
Gotta love humility when you see it...

Or is that ignorance??? :rolleyes:

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 07:39 PM
Yeah, and make sure you see if people offered your guys RFA offers. I paid a heavy price for being a little careless.

Can't hold me down though, my team's gonna look the best coming out of this!

I get an expiring contract coming in, two young, fast as hell guards to run the floor and i end up having three picks in the top 17.

nope, you haven't cut Douby yet and used your player trade not sending him to me. thus equalling FAIL.

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 07:46 PM
Gotta love humility when you see it...

Or is that ignorance??? :rolleyes:

Take it as you wish, but i didn't backdoor anyone for their players ;)

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 07:46 PM
nope, you haven't cut Douby yet and used your player trade not sending him to me. thus equalling FAIL.

Lol i was referring to the Clips.. We can still work something out for the Douby king :D

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 07:48 PM
Lol i was referring to the Clips.. We can still work something out for the Douby king :D

well we can't trade, but you could cut Douby and we could do a pick swap or something :)

or some sexual and rep-tual benefits ;)

MetSox17
06-16-2008, 07:53 PM
well we can't trade, but you could cut Douby and we could do a pick swap or something :)

or some sexual and rep-tual benefits ;)

Lol well why don't you PM me an offer i can't refuse.. I'll be back on around 10pm et.

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 07:55 PM
D, not to be a douche or anything, but the Nets have pick 56 I think via Seattle

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 07:55 PM
Take it as you wish, but i didn't backdoor anyone for their players ;)
What exactly are you trying to say?

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 07:59 PM
D, not to be a douche or anything, but the Nets have pick 56 I think via Seattle
If you feel like a douche, then that's fine. I don't care. Fixed it.

scottyboy
06-16-2008, 08:01 PM
If you feel like a douche, then that's fine. I don't care. Fixed it.

ok, just letting ya know, didn't wanna sound pushy or anything.

what're we aiming for the draft date and such? just wonderin'

princefielder28
06-16-2008, 08:03 PM
Are there any teams out there looking to trade????

BrownsTown
06-16-2008, 08:04 PM
Wikipedia says

"If a newly-signed player is not immediately traded away in a sign-and-trade"

that's when the rule applies. The trade was agreed to on the same day, mere hours later.

Dr. Gonzo
06-16-2008, 08:09 PM
I concur. We had been talking deal with each other for days.

Jay
06-16-2008, 08:11 PM
Yay, Ryan Gomes is back in Boston where he should be! My new primary big man off the bench. So underrated.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 08:12 PM
Wikipedia says

"If a newly-signed player is not immediately traded away in a sign-and-trade"

that's when the rule applies. The trade was agreed to on the same day, mere hours later.
You did not sign Gibson with the intent of a S&T. Call it buyers remorse and move on. You offered him a contract, he accpeted it and now you can't trade him until the trade restriction passes.

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 08:17 PM
Philadelphia is looking for a big man who is a threat to score. I'm well under the cap so I can take a bigger contract off of your hands.....hit me up. Seriously, I totally goofed and missed FA....

Will listen to almost all offers.

BrownsTown
06-16-2008, 08:43 PM
You did not sign Gibson with the intent of a S&T. Call it buyers remorse and move on. You offered him a contract, he accpeted it and now you can't trade him until the trade restriction passes.

? Me and gonzo had begun talking about the trade before I even offered...I asked him if 3 million would be good for the trade and he said fine.

diabsoule
06-16-2008, 09:03 PM
If Chicago and Atlanta match my RFA offers then I will be talking to teams about a trade.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 09:14 PM
? Me and gonzo had begun talking about the trade before I even offered...I asked him if 3 million would be good for the trade and he said fine.
Why are you resorting to lies? This is your reasoning you gave me.

Reason why he'd sign with you versus any other team: He's a fan favorite and a favorite of LeBrons. Will always have playing time as he is the best shooter on the team.

Doesn't sound like you had plans on doing a S&T.

BrownsTown
06-16-2008, 09:50 PM
Why are you resorting to lies? This is your reasoning you gave me.

Reason why he'd sign with you versus any other team: He's a fan favorite and a favorite of LeBrons. Will always have playing time as he is the best shooter on the team.

Doesn't sound like you had plans on doing a S&T.

If I put reasoning why he would sign with my team as: He will be used in a Sign and Trade, that's not exactly gonna work is it? It has to be something that would convince him, not what you're going to do with him afterwards.

diabsoule
06-16-2008, 09:51 PM
I don't see why Cleveland would want to trade Gibson anyway.

Scotty D
06-16-2008, 09:53 PM
If I put reasoning why he would sign with my team as: He will be used in a Sign and Trade, that's not exactly gonna work is it? It has to be something that would convince him, not what you're going to do with him afterwards.

Sign and trades aren't "tricks". The player knows if he is going be traded when he signs.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 09:53 PM
If I put reasoning why he would sign with my team as: He will be used in a Sign and Trade, that's not exactly gonna work is it? It has to be something that would convince him, not what you're going to do with him afterwards.
No, that's wrong. Players and their agents are always involved in S&T talks. I'm done with this decision.

BrownsTown
06-16-2008, 10:01 PM
Sign and trades aren't "tricks". The player knows if he is going be traded when he signs.

I realize that, but again, it didn't ask what I was going to do with him after I signed him. Just why he would sign with me.

Chucky
06-16-2008, 10:14 PM
While I realize neither Elton Brand or Chris Bosh is a traditional C, together they can easily handle the 4 and 5 spots. After the Orlando series, the raptors will be experimenting with Bargnani at the 3 4 and 5 spots. With Reko Ukic coming over, the need for TJ was gone, while losing the 17 pick hurts getting Brand more than makes up for it

Starting lineup now

C-Brand
PF- Bosh
SF-Moon
SG- Parker/Kapono
PG- Calderon

BeerBaron
06-16-2008, 10:22 PM
76ers still willing to take on a big salary if it belongs to a reliable, scoring big man. I'm well under the cap so hit me up if you need some breathing room and have a guy I might want.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 10:39 PM
While I realize neither Elton Brand or Chris Bosh is a traditional C, together they can easily handle the 4 and 5 spots. After the Orlando series, the raptors will be experimenting with Bargnani at the 3 4 and 5 spots. With Reko Ukic coming over, the need for TJ was gone, while losing the 17 pick hurts getting Brand more than makes up for it

Starting lineup now

C-Brand
PF- Bosh
SF-Moon
SG- Parker/Kapono
PG- Calderon
Speaking of that Orlando series, it's going to be a much different battle in the future. Orlando has a new Big 3. Trying to follow the Celtic mold with Michael Redd, Rashard Lewis and Dwight Howard leading the way. Similar to Boston unloading their bench and draft picks, the Magic followed suit to get Redd. We feel Redd is similar to Ray Allen in that he was never the type who could lead the team alone, but being the 2nd or 3rd option is where he is more effective. We also tried to subtract "softness" add "toughness" since Orlando is often tabbed as being "soft". Kenyon Martin has given us an enforcer who would compliment Howard nicely as he can hit jumpers, rock the rim and play great help D. Matt Barnes has a quiet aggressiveness in his game and we've had our eye on him since our draft evaluations when he entered the league. Shaun Livingston will be given a chance to resurrect his career and will not be rushed. We think he still has a bright future, but we're not placing all of our eggs in his basket.

As is:
PG Keyon Dooling / Shaun Livingston
SG Michael Redd / Maurice Evans
SF Rashard Lewis / Matt Barnes
PF Kenyon Martin / Fran Vazquez
C Dwight Howard / Marcin Gortat

Paul
06-16-2008, 10:40 PM
No draft picks, so I'm pretty much done with the Mavs roster.

PG: Jason Kidd
SG: James Posey
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Dirk Nowizki
C: Erick Dampier

Starting 5:
Dirk is the obvious 1st option, with Artest as a capable 2nd who can either score from the perimeter or post up smaller forwards. Kidd is Kidd, still quite a PG on the offensive end, but his deficiencies on defense does worry me, especially with Parker and Paul in the division. But he is big enough to guard some 2's allowing either Artest or Posey to switch off with him if needed. Posey definitely adds more defense then Jet or Eddie did in the starting lineup, plus is also a quality shooter. Dampier, if anything, can rebound and is a big body on the defesive end.

BN: Jason Terry
BN: Jerry Stackhouse
BN: Eddie Jones
BN: Eduardo Nejera
BN: Brandon Bass
BN: Brian Skinner
BN: Theo Ratliff

Bench:
Not the youngest group of guys, but all capable of stepping in producing. Jet, Stack and Eddie are all good scorers, who can add that offensive spark off the bench. Each with tons of experience. Bass proved last seasons he can be a energy guy off the bench, great rebounder and athleticism. Along with Dirk, maybe the only guy who showed some heart in the NO series. Ratliff, Skinner and Nejera round out the bench as quality depth on the front court.

Chucky
06-16-2008, 10:42 PM
Speaking of that Orlando series, it's going to be a much different battle in the future. Orlando has a new Big 3. Trying to follow the Celtic mold with Michael Redd, Rashard Lewis and Dwight Howard leading the way. Similar to Boston unloading their bench and draft picks, the Magic followed suit to get Redd. We feel Redd is similar to Ray Allen in that he was never the type who could lead the team alone, but being the 2nd or 3rd option is where he is more effective. We also tried to subtract "softness" add "toughness" since Orlando is often tabbed as being "soft". Kenyon Martin has given us an enforcer who would compliment Howard nicely as he can hit jumpers, rock the rim and play great help D. Matt Barnes has a quiet aggressiveness in his game and we've had our eye on him since our draft evaluations when he entered the league. Shaun Livingston will be given a chance to resurrect his career and will not be rushed. We think he still has a bright future, but we're not placing all of our eggs in his basket.

As is:
PG Keyon Dooling / Shaun Livingston
SG Michael Redd / Maurice Evans
SF Rashard Lewis / Matt Barnes
PF Kenyon Martin / Fran Vazquez
C Dwight Howard / Marcin Gortat


That would be an epic series. I like what you have done, but dooling at starting PG is dirt. He is a backup. And your PF depth of K-Mart and Fran Vazquez will be funny against Bosh/Brand. Assumind Dwight handles one of them.

thetedginnshow
06-16-2008, 10:53 PM
And here I thought I'd get ripped for paying Biedrins that much. Well Andris, I hate you and your horrible decision making. lol

thetedginnshow
06-16-2008, 11:20 PM
Lamar Odom is still on the block in case anyone's interested.

D-Unit
06-16-2008, 11:22 PM
That would be an epic series. I like what you have done, but dooling at starting PG is dirt. He is a backup. And your PF depth of K-Mart and Fran Vazquez will be funny against Bosh/Brand. Assumind Dwight handles one of them.
Dooling isn't my best hope for my starting PG going into the season, but he is great off the bench. He's a defensive specialist and can provide a spark on offense. Depth in the post is also an area of concern as of this moment. I'm hoping to have a team that rotate at least 8 deep without losing a beat. Right now, I'm only a couple pieces away.

diabsoule
06-17-2008, 12:56 AM
I was hoping to deal for Redd if my Chicago matches my offer for Gordon.

princefielder28
06-17-2008, 08:28 AM
Bucks moving forward
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/ed/fullj.a2b55d44491db880b4bb2a9a55dec8d5/a2b55d44491db880b4bb2a9a55dec8d5-getty-76075123rt06_bucks_raptors.jpg
Late Monday night GM John Hammond made his first marks on the Milwaukee Bucks franchise and appears to be heading in a new direction. Michael Redd, the longest tenured player and consensus face of the franchise, was traded to the Orlando Magic as a part of a three team deal which also involved the Denver Nuggets. The Bucks also moved PG Maurice Williams who had signed a six year deal last off-season; Williams was dealt to the Denver Nuggets. The returning pieces for the Bucks include PG Jameer Nelson, a first round choice in the upcoming draft, and a future first round pick. Shooting guards Keith Bogans and JJ Redick are headed to Milwaukee as well, and their contracts could be expired by the end of the season. Big men Tony Battie and Brian Cook will also be making the trek to Milwaukee, and their contracts end after the 2009-2010 season.
"Michael was a big part of this franchise for many years and will certainly be missed by the community. I felt that this was the appropriate time to make a change and head in a new direction, and Michael didn't fit our long term plans so we felt that it was our duty to look out for his best interests as well," Hammond said.
Jameer Nelson will take over the point guard spot from exiting Maurice Williams, and is expected to compete with Ramon Sessions for playing time at the position.
"Jameer is a nice young player who we feel as an organization is tough, natural born leader, and an individual who knows how to win. Maurice Williams could certainly put the ball in the basket and tally up his points but didn't possess the toughness that we were looking for from our point guard position. I wish Maurice the best in Denver."
The Bucks will look forward to this week's draft as they hold the 8th and 26th overall picks. The team has youngsters in their front court positions with Andrew Bogut, Yi Jianlian, Dorell Wright, and Charlie Villanueva, but Milwaukee is left with an unproven hole at the shooting guard spot and could be expected to fill that need with one of the picks.
"The draft is always a great experience and for a team like us we need to take advantage of having such a high choice. We have many youngsters who could be hell of players if they continue to mature and grow their games. We won't necessarily reach to fill our holes in the draft, but we want to make sure that the individuals we draft can help us from day one and especially long term. Compared to the last few years I would say this draft gives us a chance to add two solid individuals and players, and this draft may not turn around the franchise overnight, but it could be a stepping stone to big things in the future."

Go Cowboys
06-17-2008, 09:07 AM
The Denver Post
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2008-04/38025041.jpg
Martin out...Turk and Williams in....Big Trade for the Nuggets.

(AP)-Late last night the Denve Nuggets were involved in a trade with the Orlando Magic and the Milwaukee Bucks.
With the recent emergence of controversy between Kenyon Martin and Carmelo Antony shows that not all was well in Nugget land. http://origin.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_9557094
With that in mind, too make their star player happy(And not trade him.) the Nuggets decided to trade Martin despite rumors coming out of Los Angeles that it would be in fact "Melo" that would be traded.
The trade was a big adjustment for both the Magic and the Bucks, but the Nuggets feel that they won in the trade. When asked for a statement new Team GM "Go Cowboys" said, " Kenyon is a great player and a great guy, but he just doesn't fit the team chemistry that we are trying to get here. Mo Williams will come in and likely take over the starting role at PG and Turk may make the move to Power Forward."
When we reached Carmelo Anthony for a statement he said just this. "Good now maybe we can get someone to play a true Power Forward.

In other Nugget news, the Nuggets are in heated discussions to re-sign Allen Iverson who rejected our last offer. Of course Iverson said that offer was a joke. But new GM "Go Cowboys" is still trying to get his feet under him in the fast paced NBA World.

Nuggets new depth Chart(Post Trade)
PG: Maurice Williams, Anthony Carter
SG: Chucky Atkins, Taurean Green
SF: Carmelo Anthony, Linas Kleiza
PF: Hedo Turkoglu, Nene(Coming off Illness)
C: Marcus Camby, Steven Hunter

In other Denver news Jay Cutler looked good in the 7th team camp day. (See C6)

BrownsTown
06-17-2008, 11:24 AM
No offense, but I'm not sure anyone has a chance vs. LeBron plus Gilbert.

PG: Gilbert Arenas/Daniel Gibson(6th man)/Eric Snow
SG: Delonte West/Wally Szczerbiak/Devin Brown
SF: LeBron James/Devin Brown/Wally Szczerbiak
PF: Ben Wallace/Darius Songaila/Etan Thomas
C: Zydrunaus Ilgauskus/Desagna Diop/Etan Thomas

That my friends, = championship.

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 12:24 PM
D-Unit, I got ripped apart last time I traded for K-Mart lol. Let's see how people like your deal...

well here's my lineup:

C: Sean Williams
PF: Chris Wilcox
SF: Richard Jefferson
SG: Vince Carter
PG: Devin Harris

I really like that 5. All quick and athletic too. Wilcox FINALLY gives us a low post scorer we've need for EVER. Will be able to run very nicely. and YES, Sean Williams can and does play center...

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:12 PM
No offense, but I'm not sure anyone has a chance vs. LeBron plus Gilbert.

PG: Gilbert Arenas/Daniel Gibson(6th man)/Eric Snow
SG: Delonte West/Wally Szczerbiak/Devin Brown
SF: LeBron James/Devin Brown/Wally Szczerbiak
PF: Ben Wallace/Darius Songaila/Etan Thomas
C: Zydrunaus Ilgauskus/Desagna Diop/Etan Thomas

That my friends, = championship.
Congratulations! You just won yourself The Most Bogus Team Award!

Anyone who believes that trade of yours is anything close to realistic is smoking crack. I let it go cause I'm tired of your drama. But if you want some sort of admiration for that job, lol... pat yourself on the back, because no one else respects that trade.

BrownsTown
06-17-2008, 01:18 PM
Congratulations! You just won yourself The Most Bogus Team Award!

Anyone who believes that trade of yours is anything close to realistic is smoking crack. I let it go cause I'm tired of your drama. But if you want some sort of admiration for that job, lol... pat yourself on the back, because no one else respects that trade.

Haha, jealousy is ugly my friend. ;).

I have heard rumors of the Cavs doing something for Arenas, while there's probably about a 0.1 chance of it happening there's always that possibility.

And hey, I'll be happy patting myself on the back. Arenas and LeBron is more than enough to get a championship in my opinion.

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:19 PM
D-Unit, I got ripped apart last time I traded for K-Mart lol. Let's see how people like your deal...

well here's my lineup:

C: Sean Williams
PF: Chris Wilcox
SF: Richard Jefferson
SG: Vince Carter
PG: Devin Harris

I really like that 5. All quick and athletic too. Wilcox FINALLY gives us a low post scorer we've need for EVER. Will be able to run very nicely. and YES, Sean Williams can and does play center...
K-Mart has his warts (mainly the injury bugs and his big contract), but his game is sound and he makes effective use of his minutes. I mainly acquired him for scrape up duty which I think he can be great in and also for his intimidating style of play. As a 4th/5th option for us, he can do the little things that help teams to win and I can always rely on him for good D. It was important to get rid of Orlando's "soft" image for me and that's why I went for him. I will admit... I tried to get Chris Wilcox first though... but were rebuffed in my efforts.

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:23 PM
Haha, jealousy is ugly my friend. ;).

I have heard rumors of the Cavs doing something for Arenas, while there's probably about a 0.1 chance of it happening there's always that possibility.

And hey, I'll be happy patting myself on the back. Arenas and LeBron is more than enough to get a championship in my opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA..... Jealous??? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!

Give yourself another pat on the back for that one!

LLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:24 PM
The Chicago Bulls have 2 hours to make their pick before it gets simulated for them.

BrownsTown
06-17-2008, 01:26 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA..... Jealous??? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!

Give yourself another pat on the back for that one!

LLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

I will, thank you.

*gives self a pat on the back*

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 01:27 PM
The Chicago Bulls have 2 hours to make their pick before it gets simulated for them.

Just give em Rose eh? lol....if there was one pick to simulate and get right

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:29 PM
Just give em Rose eh? lol....if there was one pick to simulate and get right
No, I'm thinking of giving them Lopez.

BrownsTown
06-17-2008, 01:30 PM
No, I'm thinking of giving them Lopez.

He's better than Beasley.

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 01:31 PM
I encourage you to give me lists... but you don't have to. I'll just pick for ya.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 01:35 PM
No, I'm thinking of giving them Lopez.

sorry, i didn't have my sarcasm detector turned on.

are you being serious? cause thats funny if so....

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 01:50 PM
sorry, i didn't have my sarcasm detector turned on.

are you being serious? cause thats funny if so....

In a previous forum mock, OSUGiants drafted Lopez #2 over Beasley.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 01:51 PM
In a previous forum mock, OSUGiants drafted Lopez #2 over Beasley.

nice.....what reasoning did he give?

diabsoule
06-17-2008, 01:52 PM
I'm hoping Chicago doesn't get on since that would mean they didn't match my offer for Ben Gordon which would make me wet my pants.

And that trade between Cleveland and Washington was absolutely ridiculous. That's the most ludicrous thing I've seen (minues the Lakers trade for Gasol this year but that was robbery).

diabsoule
06-17-2008, 01:52 PM
nice.....what reasoning did he give?

He said that "Lopez" is the only name he knows how to spell.

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 01:52 PM
nice.....what reasoning did he give?

Dumbassery.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-17-2008, 02:31 PM
woah woah woah you were going top give me Lopez I wasn't even warned that the draft was starting today? I specifically remember asking when the draft was and you just said we will play it by ear, so if we had a set date I would have sent in a list.

anyway I have the 13th overall pick and Portland has my 2nd round pick.

Eagles own the NFC East
06-17-2008, 02:32 PM
I'm hoping Chicago doesn't get on since that would mean they didn't match my offer for Ben Gordon which would make me wet my pants.

And that trade between Cleveland and Washington was absolutely ridiculous. That's the most ludicrous thing I've seen (minues the Lakers trade for Gasol this year but that was robbery).

Don't worry Ben Gordon is all yours, have fun with his no defense, turnovers and nights of horrible shooting.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Shattle is up now it appears. Can we just pencil them in for Beasley or might they take Lopez here? lol

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 02:36 PM
woah woah woah you were going top give me Lopez I wasn't even warned that the draft was starting today? I specifically remember asking when the draft was and you just said we will play it by ear, so if we had a set date I would have sent in a list.

anyway I have the 13th overall pick and Portland has my 2nd round pick.

there was a large dash of sarcasm/ playing of osu taking Lopez number 2 in there.

and yes, piss of D too much, he would give you Lopez #1 overall

princefielder28
06-17-2008, 02:40 PM
Shattle is up now it appears. Can we just pencil them in for Beasley or might they take Lopez here? lol

yeah...might as well

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 03:30 PM
DJC is up to pick for the Timberwolves now

D-Unit
06-17-2008, 03:36 PM
DJC is up to pick for the Timberwolves now
DJC hasn't posted in this thread since 6/13. He's not active enough to rely on to make his pick in a timely manner. Therefore, I will make the Timberwolves pick.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 03:37 PM
DJC hasn't posted in this thread since 6/13. He's not active enough to rely on to make his pick in a timely manner. Therefore, I will make the Timberwolves pick.

I wont stop you, go for it. Not sure anyone else would care either

Go Cowboys
06-17-2008, 03:38 PM
Go for it D

LonghornsLegend
06-17-2008, 03:43 PM
Still entertaining offers for anyone who has a starting caliber PF that is expendable...Not sure who all has not traded yet though.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 04:25 PM
Anyone interested in PF depth, SG depth, or anyone but Zach Randolph on the Knicks should speak up, we need a 3rd team for a 3 way deal.

All you would have to do is send a piece or two to the Knicks. PM me if you have any interest

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 04:50 PM
hmmm DJC is also the Grizzlies. Without D's decisive hand of power, what ever shall we do?

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 04:53 PM
hmmm DJC is also the Grizzlies. Without D's decisive hand of power, what ever shall we do?

Lopez or Love. Simple as that.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 04:54 PM
Lopez or Love. Simple as that.

I'd say Lopez > Love at this point...

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 04:56 PM
I'd say Lopez > Love at this point...

A lot of speculation is that Love might be the choice over Lopez. I would personally draft Lopez over Love, but it isn't a cut and dry decision like Beasley at #2.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 04:58 PM
looks like it was Lopez anyway.

Knicks are up

thetedginnshow
06-17-2008, 05:07 PM
Oh man. Grizzlies are gonna be a dynasty now.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 05:08 PM
and with that, the Clippers are now up

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 05:09 PM
ewww to the Knicks picking Augustin. Yes, PG is a need, but Augustin ain't that great of a PG.

MetSox17
06-17-2008, 05:13 PM
Clippers felt that Barbosa coming off the bench to spell both Ford and Gordon would be the best. With two more picks left in the next ten, the Clippers still have plenty of freedom. The talent at SG falls off after Eric Gordon, so grabbing him was a priority.

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 05:19 PM
looking to move up using picks 32, 40 and 56 into tthe 1st OR move down from 10. get at me

diabsoule
06-17-2008, 05:23 PM
Looks like the Hornets have secured SG Ben Gordon. We feel that this is a coup and are very happy to welcome him to the team. Gordon paired with David West and Chris Paul will help increase our scoring as well as provide another energetic pair of legs and this team gets younger and more talented.

LTgiants
06-17-2008, 05:38 PM
ewww to the Knicks picking Augustin. Yes, PG is a need, but Augustin ain't that great of a PG.

ewww? wat u mean? he actually is a pretty dam good pg especially for mike d'antoni's system he was a reach ya but thats cause i couldn't trade down

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 05:43 PM
ewww? wat u mean? he actually is a pretty dam good pg especially for mike d'antoni's system he was a reach ya but thats cause i couldn't trade down

I guess I'm someone who doesn't see Augustin as a lottery pick. But I won't argue that he fits D'Antoni's scheme because he does. I just would have preferred Randolph over Augustin.

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 05:46 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like theres a good number of guys named "Randolph" in basketball......I noticed that today.

LTgiants
06-17-2008, 05:46 PM
I guess I'm someone who doesn't see Augustin as a lottery pick. But I won't argue that he fits D'Antoni's scheme because he does. I just would have preferred Randolph over Augustin.

i no that i reached on him but idc and the knicks have enough sf's i dont see how drafting another 1 will help me even though i did like randolph i had 2 pick the player who will help me more

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 05:47 PM
damn LTGFiants, I woulda loved to trade up with you for that pick. DJ most likely would've been there at 10. ****. oh well, too late now...

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 05:48 PM
damn LTGFiants, I woulda loved to trade up with you for that pick. DJ most likely would've been there at 10. ****. oh well, too late now...

dang it all scotty, where have you been for the past day where him and I have been trying to work out a trade? lol

If you'd a traded up, he could trade back and give me Randolph....probably some other stuff happens. We'd all be happy!

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 05:50 PM
i no that i reached on him but idc and the knicks have enough sf's i dont see how drafting another 1 will help me even though i did like randolph i had 2 pick the player who will help me more

Randolph is most definitely a PF/C in D'Antoni's system. Yeah, we already have those two positions locked up for next season, but at least one of them will be gone by the end of next season.

scottyboy
06-17-2008, 05:52 PM
dang it all scotty, where have you been for the past day where him and I have been trying to work out a trade? lol

If you'd a traded up, he could trade back and give me Randolph....probably some other stuff happens. We'd all be happy!

i wanted to trade up for Gordon and he coulda had Augistin. I'm still looking to trade down, actually, right around the 14-17 range. Hit me up via pm while I switch to mah laptop

princefielder28
06-17-2008, 06:01 PM
I am quickly entertaining offers for the 8th pick involving other picks

diabsoule
06-17-2008, 06:06 PM
A 3 way trade between the Hornets, Knicks, and 76ers just went down. We're waiting on approval.

princefielder28
06-17-2008, 06:13 PM
anyone still looking to do a deal swapping player let me know

Turtlepower
06-17-2008, 06:14 PM
A 3 way trade between the Hornets, Knicks, and 76ers just went down. We're waiting on approval.

Did you make sure that the salaries match up?

BeerBaron
06-17-2008, 06:17 PM
Did you make sure that the salaries match up?

I'm (76ers) well under the cap, so as long as both of those guys are reducing their team salaries, it should work.

All i really wanted out of that was Randolph but I got Jeffries too to help out NY some more with salary I guess, but whatever. I'm still a good ways under....