NFLDC Preseason All-Pro Team

[Burns336]

AFC
Saturday 9
Mangold 4
Koppen 1

NFC

Kreutz 4
Gurode 3
Faine 1
Birk 4
O'Hara 2

There are 5 votes for gurode, starting on the last page

[MetSox17]

Andre Gurode, easy

[MetSox17]

I dont get all the Andre Gurode love.
Im sure he's a good blocker, but he also had too many bad snaps as I remember

He's not a good blocker, he's a great blocker. Both in the run and the pass. A few bad snaps the whole year out of the shotgun shouldn't downgrade him. He's the best center in the NFC and in the conversation as one of the best in the league.

[LonghornsLegend]

He's a Cowboy...

That excuse is getting to be pretty lame at this point.

[Duster]

physically, Gurode is the most dominate. He had maybe 5-7 high snaps with only 1 (Rams Game) or maybe 2 resulting in an actual fumble. It never hurt the team, and shouldn't be held against him. It has nothing to do with what team he plays for, that is just an ignorant statement. The Cowboys have one of the best lines in the league -- How is this possible if they are all just overhyped Cowboy players? He and Leonard Davis both have a realistic shot at All-Pro first team.

Wait, why can't we hold Gurode responsible for messing up his most important task?

[Im_a_Romosexual]

at least he snapped it.

[Burns336]

Wait, why can't we hold Gurode responsible for messing up his most important task?

You can if you'd like, but it wasn't like every snap was 5 feet too high and went 10 yards over Romo's head. He had 5-7 snaps that were about forehead - top of the helmet level which Romo handled fine and 1 that I can think of in the Rams game that was way overshot. His snaps didn't ever put the Cowboys in an adverse position.

So, for me, I would choose the best blocking and most physically dominate C with a few high snaps over a "technically sound" C for the All Pro spot. Obviously NFL HC, GM's, and Scouts feel the same way.

Although I guess rational thinking doesn't matter in this thread with Leonard Davis not even making the 2nd team.

[M.O.T.H.]

You dont get the Gurode love? I really question how much football some of these posters watch...no offense but, Gurode has been the most dominant center in the league for the last two years. People on here seem to think the only reason Davis and Gurode were on the pro bowl team is because, they are Cowboys. That is not that case at all...they are arguablly the top two players at their respective positions. People need to give up the Cowboy hate and actually watch these guys play. Look at actual expert or professionals positional rankings lists, Gurode and Davis are top 3 players at their positions on damn near every list. I honestly think it's absurd to have Evans ahead of Davis at this point.

[Brothgar]

Mangold Birk

[yourfavestoner]

You dont get the Gurode love? I really question how much football some of these posters watch...no offense but, Gurode has been the most dominant center in the league for the last two years. People on here seem to think the only reason Davis and Gurode were on the pro bowl team is because, they are Cowboys. That is not that case at all...they are arguablly the top two players at their respective positions. People need to give up the Cowboy hate and actually watch these guys play. Look at actual expert or professionals positional rankings lists, Gurode and Davis are top 3 players at their positions on damn near every list. I honestly think it's absurd to have Evans ahead of Davis at this point.

I'm coming to the conclusion that most of the posters on here don't watch football. Or, at the very least, they don't understand what they're watching nearly as much as they think they do. This board has become full of a bunch of people who wait for smart people to post their thoughts, and then they just regurgitate those peoples' information.

[Sniper]

Andre Gurode is the truth. And I'm an Eagles fan, so I try not to drop praise on Cowboys too often.

[BlindSite]

You dont get the Gurode love? I really question how much football some of these posters watch...no offense but, Gurode has been the most dominant center in the league for the last two years. People on here seem to think the only reason Davis and Gurode were on the pro bowl team is because, they are Cowboys. That is not that case at all...they are arguablly the top two players at their respective positions. People need to give up the Cowboy hate and actually watch these guys play. Look at actual expert or professionals positional rankings lists, Gurode and Davis are top 3 players at their positions on damn near every list. I honestly think it's absurd to have Evans ahead of Davis at this point.

Gurode fat stalled our defense more than once when we played the last time. Jenkins the fat bastard couldn't do anything with Gurode on him one on one.

He is a brilliant offensive lineman and a big part of Romo/Barber III's success. Never do centres get the dues they deserve.

[draftguru151]

I'm coming to the conclusion that most of the posters on here don't watch football. Or, at the very least, they don't understand what they're watching nearly as much as they think they do. This board has become full of a bunch of people who wait for smart people to post their thoughts, and then they just regurgitate those peoples' information.

That or they post complete nonsense.

[neko4]

I know Gurode is a great blocker, but he had two noticeably bad snaps. If Romo hadnt made something out of nothing those 2 times we would probably see him in a little different light. He should still be 2nd team, but not first


EDIT: Nevermind. This is a projection

[scottyboy]

oh there's no doubt Gurode is an excellent center, but come on, like I'm gonna not vote for the only Rutger guy on the Giants? psssssh

[Hwoarang]

Center i'm going with Jeff Saturday.

[neko4]

AFC:
Jeff Saturday
Nick Mangold

[neko4]

Kreutz 4
Gurode 4 (some changed their vote from Gurode to O'Hara which is why he doesnt have 5)
Faine 1
Birk 4
O'Hara 2

[Burns336]

Kreutz 4
Gurode 4 (some changed their vote from Gurode to O'Hara which is why he doesnt have 5)
Faine 1
Birk 4
O'Hara 2

well Gurode just got about 3 "he is brilliant" responses which should put him at around 7.

[neko4]

did those people already vote. i couldnt tell
I had to keep going back and forth and it got annoying

[MetSox17]

I know Gurode is a great blocker, but he had two noticeably bad snaps. If Romo hadnt made something out of nothing those 2 times we would probably see him in a little different light. He should still be 2nd team, but not first


EDIT: Nevermind. This is a projection

I'm having a hard time not pulling out my hair here. How can two bad snaps put someone noticeably better than another player behind him? The only reason everyone knows about those is because the Cowboys are under constant surveillance by every opposing fan, looking for something to bash them for. Who here can tell me that they saw every single snap Matt Birk took part in, and made it to perfection? I mean seriously, WTF.

[eaglesfan_45]

Two mistakes in the PLAYOFFS! The playoffs are when star players are supposed to shine, not screw their team over with stupid mistakes. Tony Romo has made 2 BIG mistakes in the 2 Biggest games of his career therefore, his reputation as a elite QB is tarnished. Part of being a great QB is having the ability to lead their team in the clutch and make the big plays in the clutch and so far, Tony Romo has not shown that he is capable of doing that.

Edit: nvm MetSox was talking about Gurode. whoops :/

[neko4]

That would be a nice comment if we were talking about Tony Romo

[M.O.T.H.]

Meh...Romo played well enough in both of those games to win the game. I'll give you the bobbled snap but, two potential TDs were dropped in that Cowboys/Giants game. Yes, he missed T.O. once but, Crayton and Fasano are more to fault. Obviously, Romo is going to have to shoulder most of the blame because, he is the QB but, we didnt lose that game because of Romo. Untimely drops and piss poor defense is why we lost. Thank god Jacque Reeves is gone. He made Eli look like Elway on that final drive of the 1st half.

[eaglesfan_45]

That would be a nice comment if we were talking about Tony Romo

yeah, I edited it

[MetSox17]

Meh...Romo played well enough in both of those games to win the game. I'll give you the bobbled snap but, two potential TDs were dropped in that Cowboys/Giants game. Yes, he missed T.O. once but, Crayton and Fasano are more to fault. Obviously, Romo is going to have to shoulder most of the blame because, he is the QB but, we didnt lose that game because of Romo. Untimely drops and piss poor defense is why we lost. Thank god Jacque Reeves is gone. He made Eli look like Elway on that final drive of the 1st half.

Yeah, people that bash Tony Romo for that game either didn't watch the game, or had their heads up their asses. It was indeed two key plays/drives you're referring to, that ultimately killed the team.

But anyways, that's a whole different argument. Andre Gurode should still be number one, as should Leonard Davis!

[M.O.T.H.]

Are we on Ends yet? :)

[Burns336]

Are we on Ends yet? :)

I'm pretty sure Gurode and Saturday won, although I'm not sure Gurode made it to 10 yet

[neko4]

Kreutz and Birk are tied for 2nd Team

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Kreutz for me.

[neko4]

coool, we can finally move on

[eaglesfan_45]

I'm voting for Birk because, the all pro o-lineman usually get the praise if they block for a top notch rushing attack. As of right now, the Vikings Run Offense is light-years ahead of the Bears.

[neko4]

a little too late man

[neko4]

DE's

AFC: Mario Williams
Kyle Vanden Bosch

NFC:
Aaron Kampman
Osi Umenyiora



How should 3-4 OLB be counted?
Seperate category? With the OLB's, with the DE's?

[PACKmanN]

DE's

AFC: Mario Williams
Jason Taylor

NFC:
Aaron Kampman
Osi Umenyiora



How should 3-4 OLB be counted?
Seperate category? With the OLB's, with the DE's?

I think separate, the only one that has proven a legit 34 olb in it is Taylor on that list.

[MetSox17]

Super Mario Williams, Shawne Merriman (Say what you want, this guy's a DE).

Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman

[eaglesfan_45]

4-3 DE:
AFC:Mario Williams, Kyle Vanden Bosch
NFC:Trent Cole, Jared Allen

3-4 OLB:
AFC: Shawne Merriman, Kamerion(sp?) Wimbley
NFC: DeMarcus Ware, and..... Karlos Dansby :confused:

[scottyboy]

please, trent cole? ugh

NFC: Osi Umenyiora, Aaron Kampan(I almst put Tuck, I amost did it)
AFC: Dwight Freeny, Mario Williams

[Gay Ork Wang]

NFC: Jared Allen, Kerney
AFC: Mario Williams, Freeney

[Gay Ork Wang]

I'm voting for Birk because, the all pro o-lineman usually get the praise if they block for a top notch rushing attack. As of right now, the Vikings Run Offense is light-years ahead of the Bears.
and The vikings running game is better because matt birk is better than Olin Kreutz? pls the vikings running game isnt awesome because of Matt Birk, more because of the left side + AP

[xooberon]

AFC:
Mario Williams
Dwight Freeney

NFC:
Aaron Kampman
Jared Allen

[cdub11]

AFC: Mario Williams & Dwight Freeney
NFC: Osi Umenyiora & Aaron Kampman

[Bruce Banner]

AFC: Super Mario & Elvis Dumervil
NFC: Allen (69) & Kerney

[Brothgar]

AFC: Super Mario & Elvis Dumervil
NFC: Allen (69) & Kerney

I would love to see that happen I am one of the biggest Dumervil slappies around.

but since this is a prediction thread.

AFC Mario Williams and Freeney (And Dumervil!)
NFC Jared Allen and Osi

[Turtlepower]

AFC: Mario Williams & Dwight Freeney
NFC: Osi Umenyiora & Aaron Kampman

[Bruce Banner]

I would love to see that happen I am one of the biggest Dumervil slappies around.

but since this is a prediction thread.

AFC Mario Williams and Freeney (And Dumervil!)
NFC Jared Allen and Osi

I am just picking guys I like.
(that happen to be really ******* good)

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

AFC
Mario Williams/Kyle Vanden Bosch

NFC
Jared Allen/ Osi Umenyiora

[draftguru151]

Mario, Jason Taylor
Kampman, Osi

[Sniper]

Mario Williams and Jason Taylor
Trent Cole and Jared Allen

[Or Moyal]

Williams+Taylor,
Cole+Allen

[skinzzfan25]

Mario Williams, Kyle Vanden Bosch

Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman

[wicket]

AFC
Mario Williams/Kyle Vanden Bosch

NFC
Jared Allen/ Osi Umenyiora

thats me as well

[M.O.T.H.]

Mario Williams/Dwight Freeney

Osi/Jared Allen

[Go_Eagles77]

NFC: Jared Allen and Trent Cole
AFC: Mario Williams and Dwight Freeney

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Mario Williams/Dwight Freeney

Patrick Kerney/Jared Allen

[Primetime21]

AFC: Mario Williams, Dwight Freeney

NFC: Patrick Kerney, Jared Allen

[scottyboy]

srsly, if Osi doesn't make this team, there will be serious reprocussions

[Duster]

srsly, if Osi doesn't make this team, there will be serious reprocussions

Julius Peppers is a better and more productive defensive end than Osi Umenyiora.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Julius Peppers is a better and more productive defensive end than Osi Umenyiora.
So is ur mom

I remember Wingboy

[Eaglez.Fan]

NFC- Trent Cole and Jared Allen
AFC- Mario Williams and Kyle Vanden Douche

[Sniper]

srsly, if Osi doesn't make this team, there will be serious reprocussions

So much so, that scottyboy will teach you how to spell repercussions.

[MetSox17]

Aaron Kampman > Osi

[Menardo75]

NFC : Osi Umenyiora Jared Allen
AFC : Mario Williams Jason Taylor

[scottyboy]

So much so, that scottyboy will teach you how to spell repercussions.

i hate you so much right now, I'm going to go cry...

[scottyboy]

Julius Peppers is a better and more productive defensive end than Osi Umenyiora.

HEY! who are/were you? obviously someone who joined in june 08 wasn't here for the epic Osi/Peppers debate!

FORMER BANNED USER!!!!! FORMER BANNED USER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and how'd peppers do last year ;)

[eaglesfan_45]

Woooo! 5 votes for Trent Cole! :D

[Go_Eagles77]

Woooo! 5 votes for Trent Cole! :D

Yeah and they're all by eagles fans. lol

If he was a 1st round pick and more well-known, and had the exact same production, I guarantee he would have more votes from non-eagles fans.

[TACKLE]

AFC:
Mario Williams - Showed what he could do last year and with another year under his belt he should dominate.

Derrick Burgess - A great edge rusher who will put up lots of sacks especially with the the secondary in Oakland.

NFC:
Jared Allen - Pat Williams and Kevin Williams in the middle will take up the double teams and will leave Allen 1-on-1. Also should thrive as a pass rusher in the Tampa 2.

Julius Peppers - Had a really down year last year and just couldn't get to the QB. I think he'll come back very strong in '08. They'll be playing him more at RE so he'll have more opportunities to get after the QB.

[eaglesfan_45]

Yeah and they're all by eagles fans. lol

If he was a 1st round pick and more well-known, and had the exact same production, I guarantee he would have more votes from non-eagles fans.

There was one Cowboys fan who voted for him :eek:

His name, Or Moyal.

[eaglesfan_45]

AFC: Mario Williams, Darren Howard
NFC: Jared Allen, Julius Peppers

3 Problems

1. He is on the Eagles (NFC)
2. He isn't even starting
3. He might not even make the team.

[TACKLE]

3 Problems

1. He is on the Eagles (NFC)
2. He isn't even starting
3. He might not even make the team.

My bad. Stupid mistake. I meant to vote for Derrick Burgess. I don't know how I got Darren Howard and Derrick Burgess. Thanks for pointing that out.

[neko4]

NFC 1st Team
Jared Allen
Osi Umenyiora
2nd Team
Aaron Kampman
Trent Cole

AFC 1st Team
Mario Williams (Incredibly huge lead)
Dwight Freeney
2nd Team
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Jason Taylor

[MetSox17]

DT's!

AFC: Haloti Ngata, Vince Wilfork

NFC: Kevin Williams, Tommie Harris

[TACKLE]

NFC 1st Team
Jared Allen
Osi Umenyiora
2nd Team
Aaron Kampman
Trent Cole

AFC 1st Team
Mario Williams (Incredibly huge lead)
Dwight Freeney
2nd Team
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Jason Taylor

I don't understand how Taylor can make All-Pro as a DE. He plays OLB in the Dolphins 3-4. If we were including 3-4 OLB's Merriman and Ware would both be 1st team selections. I think you should take Jason Taylor off and replace him with a 4-3 DE.

[MetSox17]

I don't understand how Taylor can make All-Pro as a DE. He plays OLB in the Dolphins 3-4. If we were including 3-4 OLB's Merriman and Ware would both be 1st team selections. I think you should take Jason Taylor off and replace him with a 4-3 DE.

He was beastly as a 4-3 DE as well, so i don't see what the problem is.

[Go_Eagles77]

DTs

NFC: Kevin Williams, Tommie Harris
AFC: Albert Haynesworth, Haloti Ngata

[TACKLE]

He was beastly as a 4-3 DE as well, so i don't see what the problem is.

I'm not taking anything away from him as a player and I know he can still play at a high level. He used to play DE in the 4-3 but now he doesn't and is an OLB in a 3-4. If Taylor stays with the Dolphins in 08, he will be an OLB. If we're going to include OLB's we should have been able to vote for guys like Merriman and Ware.

[neko4]

I thought they played a hybrid defense

[neko4]

If Taylor is counted as an OLB, then I believe it is a tie between Dumervil and Burgess

[MetSox17]

I thought they played a hybrid defense

Thought that as well. Anyway, it's gonna be hard for guys like AJ Hawk and Ernie Sims cause D-Ware has one OLB spot on LOCK down ;)

[TACKLE]

I thought they played a hybrid defense

With Parcells they are going to run a primarily 3-4.

Forget I said anything about Taylor. I don't know why I was making a big deal about the AFC's second team #2 DE. It's not a big deal and is more of a technicallity.


Anyway.

AFC: Haynesworth, Ngata
NFC: Darnell Dockett, Kevin Williams

[draftguru151]

We used to but I doubt we will anymore with the new coaches.

I voted for Taylor for DE so I'll switch that to Burgess.

[neko4]

Thought that as well. Anyway, it's gonna be hard for guys like AJ Hawk and Ernie Sims cause D-Ware has one OLB spot on LOCK down ;)

Im gonna make a seperate vote for 3-4 OLB since they are usually much different than 4-3 OLB

[neko4]

AFC: Haynesworth, Okoye
NFC: Harris, Pat Williams

[MetSox17]

Im gonna make a seperate vote for 3-4 OLB since they are usually much different than 4-3 OLB

Ahh well that's a crock. It's gonna diminish the value of being voted first team since there isn't many stud 3-4 OLB's.. Agh.

[MetSox17]

Ngata > Wilfork > Henderson > Okoye

[neko4]

i'll probably only have one spot on 1st and 2nd team for 3-4 OLBers though, which should make it a little harder to obtain.

[neko4]

Ngata > Wilfork > Henderson > Okoye
Im projecting a nice breakout year out of him. If i remember correctly he hit a bit of a rookie wall this past year


EDIT: Although it is a risky projection

[draftguru151]

AFC- John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth
NFC- Kevin Williams, Tommie Harris

[eaglesfan_45]

AFC: Albert Haynesworth, Haoli Ngata
NFC: Tommie Harris, Kevin Williams

[MetSox17]

Hey Neko, what about a position for 3-4 DE's?

Seymour and Castillo would be Pro Bowlers inside in a 4-3

[MetSox17]

AFC: Albert Haynesworth, Haoli Ngata
NFC: Mike Patterson, Kevin Williams

Wow, your homerism goes pretty deep huh?

[Go_Eagles77]

Mike Patterson's good but shouldn't be in this conversation.

[eaglesfan_45]

Wow, your homerism goes pretty deep huh?

:D :D :D :D YUP :D :D :D

[M.O.T.H.]

Albert Haynesworth/Vince Wilfork

Kevin Williams/Tommie Harris

[JT Jag]

AFC: Henderson/Ngata
NFC: Kevin Williams/Tommie Harris

[fenikz]

AFC Wilfork/Henderson
NFC Dockett/Harris

[Gay Ork Wang]

Ngata Haynesworth
Harris, Kevin Williams

[wicket]

Ngata Haynesworth
Harris, Kevin Williams

[Caddy]

NFC: Tommie Harris, Kevin Williams.
AFC: Albert Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork.

[xooberon]

AFC:
Albert Haynesworth
Haloti Ngata

NFC:
Tommie Harris
Darnell Dockett

[Eaglez.Fan]

NFC- Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams
AFC- Albert Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork

[Sniper]

Wow, your homerism goes pretty deep huh?

Mike Patterson led DTs in tackles last year.

[Sniper]

NFC- Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams
AFC- Albert Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork

[MetSox17]

Mike Patterson led DTs in tackles last year.

I have no doubt that he's a solid player, but he's no where near the league that Kevin Williams/Pat Williams/Tommie Harris are in. Sorry.

[Sniper]

I have no doubt that he's a solid player, but he's no where near the league that Kevin Williams/Pat Williams/Tommie Harris are in. Sorry.

I didn't say he was, you just made it seem like he was some scrub.

[Vikes99ej]

NFC: Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams

AFC: Jamal Williams and Haloti Ngata

[TimD]

Haynesworth, Jenkins (Homer Pick but if the run D steps up he'll go to the pro bowl)

Harris, K Williams

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

NFC: Kevin Williams & Tommie Harris
AFC: Fat Albert & Mr. Henderson

[MetSox17]

I didn't say he was, you just made it seem like he was some scrub.

I don't know how i did that, all i did was point out his homerism. We're talking about the best DT's in the NFC, and since you've admitted he isn't as good as the other guys that are being mentioned, he doesn't deserve to be named in this thread. Not saying he's a scrub either, though.

[Crazy_Chris]

AFC:Albert Haynesworth & Vince Wilfork

NFC:Pat Williams & Darnell Dockett

For the NFC Tommie Harris & Kevin Williams are the obvious choices for 1st teams and both already have 10 votes by my count so I voted for the 2nd team DT's.

[TACKLE]

I think we should on to DE's but I don't feel like counting the DT votes. I guess I'll wait for Neko.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I think we should on to DE's but I don't feel like counting the DT votes. I guess I'll wait for Neko.
we already had DEs...

[scottyboy]

MLB time!:

NFC: Antonio Pierce
AFC: Gary Brackett

/MLB voting

[Gay Ork Wang]

MLB time!:

NFC: Antonio Pierce
AFC: Gary Brackett

/MLB voting
HOMER!

NFC: Brian Urlacher, Tatupu
AFC: DeMeco Ryans, Morrison

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Patrick Willis
Demeco Ryans

[MetSox17]

P-Willie, Kirk Morrison

[Bills2083]

AFC - Demeco Ryans
NFC - Patrick Willis

[TACKLE]

we already had DEs...

Whoops. I meant to say LB's. My bad.


NFC: Patrick Willis

AFC: DeMeco Ryans

[xooberon]

AFC:
Kirk Morrison

NFC:
Brian Urlacher

[Eaglez.Fan]

I'll take Urlacher and Demeco.

[fenikz]

NFC: Urlacher & Tatupu
AFC: Brackett & Ryans

[Gay Ork Wang]

Patrick Willis over guys like Tatupu and Urlacher is just wrong...

[Addict]

Patrick Willis over guys like Tatupu and Urlacher is just wrong...

he led the NFL in tackles, I agree it's a bit of a reach to say he's the best in the NFC, but 'just wrong' is overstating what it is.

[Gay Ork Wang]

well it is wrong to say he is the best in the NFC, he is up in the top5-10 but the best? Come on, after one season?

[MetSox17]

If after one season you come in, lead the NFL in tackles on a team with little to no help whatsoever, i'd say that's pretty good. Tatupu benefits a lot from his surrounding cast. Athletically, Willis >> everyone, the instincts are there, the production is there despite his lack of quality teammates.

I don't see how that's a stretch at all.

[xooberon]

i don't think willis is as complete a LB as guys like urlacher or tatupu at the moment. especially in coverage he just seems to let receivers catch and then bring the big hit, instead of preventing the pass.

if it was who would you start a team from scratch then obviously he would be top of the list (with beason :p)

[Gay Ork Wang]

well, he is a great athlete. A bunch of his tackles came after 5+ Runs. He has no one else on his team to make these tackles, so yea he gets a lot of tackles himself. Maybe the production was there because the lack of quality teammates? The next guys on his team where the safeties. I say if u put any great or above average MLB on that team u could have the same tackle numbers. If u only go by the numbers, u should nominate David Harris. He has 127 tackles for 9 games which wouldve been alot more than P Willlis have.

Also just like Xooberon said, his Coverage is not the best, Tackles are not all that counts..

[wicket]

But his speed is just incredible, you can see him chasing down receivers (something that just isn't supposed to happen and it just saves td's). Not saying that PW is the best jet, because he isn't but he is way up there. Would go with urlacher for NFC though.

[fenikz]

Willis is the 3rd best MLB in his division, he shouldn't be in the discussion for this thing

[Bruce]

Willis is the 3rd best MLB in his division, he shouldn't be in the discussion for this thingIf Peterson can come in and dominate at RB and make 2nd team i don't see why P Willie can't be in the discussion. 174 tackles as a rookie should qualify him to be in the discussion.

[Burns336]

If Peterson can come in and dominate at RB and make 2nd team i don't see why P Willie can't be in the discussion. 174 tackles as a rookie should qualify him to be in the discussion.

especially because these are predictions for next year and it is reasonable to assume P Willie will get better with more experience.

[neko4]

AFC 1st Team
Albert Haynesworth
Haloti Ngata
2nd Team
Vince Wilfork
John Henderson

NFC 1st Team
Kevin Williams
Tommie Harris
2nd Team
Darnell Dockett
Pat Williams



Who the **** decided to move on to MLB's?
I was gonna do 3-4 OLB next and then maybe 3-4 DE's or 4-3 OLBs.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I thought its the NFLDC PRESEASON All Pro...
And AP was doing things nobody really has seen before, i mean u cant argue the dominance of Peterson. Patrick Willis has great instincts, speed and the amount of tackles he made.

btw Neko it was Scottyboy :D

[neko4]

AFC: David Harris
NFC: Nick Barnett

[Sniper]

David Harris and Patrick Willis.

[eaglesfan_45]

NFC: Patrick Willis
AFC: David Harris

[LonghornsLegend]

i don't think willis is as complete a LB as guys like urlacher or tatupu at the moment. especially in coverage he just seems to let receivers catch and then bring the big hit, instead of preventing the pass.

if it was who would you start a team from scratch then obviously he would be top of the list (with beason :p)

You should watch more in depth film of him, NFL Live pointed out one day how he reads the lineman and drops back into coverage the same way Urlacher does, and covers ground to get to the WR, there really isn't anything he cannot do and there are probably only a handful of WR's in the NFL faster then him and thats saying something...I don't really think he lacks too much in one area.


Willis is the 3rd best MLB in his division, he shouldn't be in the discussion for this thing

Thats hilarious...Maybe you know something I don't know but your probably the only one who feels this way.


AFC: David Harris
NFC: Patrick Willis


I hate to go with the norm and pick Harris, but he was incredible last year, has a nose for the ball, and they beefed up on the D line to keep blockers off of him, with Jenkins sucking up two blockers he should have an even better season.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

NFC: Vilma
AFC: Harris

I'm such a loser.....

[DMWSackMachine]

NFC: Urlacher
AFC: Ray Lewis....but only because there is no one else that jumps out at me.

[M.O.T.H.]

I'll go with Ryans and Willis.

[BlindSite]

From a GM's standpoint or rather a coaches standpoint I wouldn't really want a linebacker I'm hoping for a 10 year career from making that many tackles a year.

Sure it looks purdy in the stats but that's got to be a mountain of wear and tear on his body. I wouldn't mind seeing the stats to compare with RBs who have a mess of carries and then break down to see if it occurs with linebackers.

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

umm, i guess i somehow did a post in the wrong thread.

but to add something, i will say that Willis deserves to be in the discussion, he's that good.

[Burns336]

From a GM's standpoint or rather a coaches standpoint I wouldn't really want a linebacker I'm hoping for a 10 year career from making that many tackles a year.

Sure it looks purdy in the stats but that's got to be a mountain of wear and tear on his body. I wouldn't mind seeing the stats to compare with RBs who have a mess of carries and then break down to see if it occurs with linebackers.

Ray Lewis has some pretty high tackle numbers over many years... I've always wondered how much it affects them. I guess it just depends from person to person.

[BlindSite]

True. I'm just thinking if a running backs break down after a lot of carries a lot of tackles has to take its toll.

[TACKLE]

bump (this thread should be a sticky)

[neko4]

I'll update tonite

[Burns336]

Harris and Willis for me.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Urlacher and Morrison for me.

[cdub11]

NFC: Patrick Willis

AFC: DeMeco Ryans

[TACKLE]

UPDATE (this is just to give an idea of how the votes are going. DO NOT change positions on your own. Neko is running this thread)

AFC:
Demeco Ryans - 8
David Harris - 6
Kirk Morrison - 4
Ray Lewis - 1
Gary Brackett - 1

NFC:
Patrick Willis - 10
Brian Urlacher - 8
Lofa Tatupu - 2
Nick Barnett - 1
Jonathan Vilma - 1

[TACKLE]

Sorry. Double Post.

[TACKLE]

This thread is going to die if we don't wove onto a new position.

NFC
1st Team: Patrick Willis, Brian Urlacher
2nd Team: Lofa Tatupu, Jonathan Vilma/Nick Barnett

AFC
1st Team: DeMeco Ryans, David Harris
2nd Team: Kirk Morrison, Ray Lewis/Gary Brackett


Moving on to 3-4 OLB

NFC: DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer
AFC: Shawne Merriman, Kamerion Wimbley

[eaglesfan_45]

NFC: DeMarcus Ware, Manny Lawson
AFC: Kamerion Wimbley, Shawne Merriman

[StrongSide97]

I don't know if we're doing ILB or both, but I'm only doing ILB

NFC: Patrick Willis

AFC: Demeco Ryans

If we skipped DT's here are my votes

NFC: Kevin and Pat Williams
AFC: Albert Haynesworth and Ngata

[Gay Ork Wang]

I don't know if we're doing ILB or both, but I'm only doing ILB

NFC: Patrick Willis

AFC: Demeco Ryans

If we skipped DT's here are my votes

NFC: Kevin and Pat Williams
AFC: Albert Haynesworth and Ngata
we did both....

[xooberon]

NFC:
DeMarcus Ware
Manny Lawson

AFC:
Shawne Merriman
Calvin Pace

[DMWSackMachine]

Anthony Spencer!?

Manny Lawson?!?!

wtf is going on here?

NFC:
DeMarcus Ware
Lance Briggs

AFC:
Shawne Merriman
Derrick Johnson

[Go_Eagles77]

Briggs and Johnson aren't 3-4 OLBs.

[MetSox17]

Seeing as the Cowboys are one of like three teams in the NFC that run 3-4's, i'll vote DeMarcus Ware and Greg Ellis.

Before jumping on me and calling me a homer, go look at the production Ellis put up and the type of impact he had on our defense.

For the AFC, the easy one is Shawne Merriman, and Adalius Thomas if you wanna look at him as an OLB, if not, then Kamerion Wimbley.

[Turtlepower]

Why the hell are you doing a vote for a 3-4 OLB??? An all-pro team consists of a 4-3 defense...

[Gay Ork Wang]

because people want to see Merriman and especially the cowboys fans want to see ware.

[Turtlepower]

because people want to see Merriman and especially the cowboys fans want to see ware.

So you just vote for them as 4-3 OLBs like they would normally be voted for...

[Gay Ork Wang]

idk i dont care about this anyway, there are just some people trying desperately to keep this alive

[cdub11]

NFC:
DeMarcus Ware
Lance Briggs

AFC:
Shawne Merriman
Derrick Johnson

ill go with these picks as well