NFLDC Preseason All-Pro Team

[neko4]

We'll start with QB's. Pick one for the AFC and one for the NFC
Once a player gets 10 votes, we'll move on


AFC: 1st Team

QB: Peyton Manning, Colts
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HB: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers
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WR: Randy Moss, Patriots
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WR: Reggie Wayne, Colts
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TE: Antonio Gates, Chargers
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OT: Joe Thomas, Browns
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OT: Jason Peters, Bills
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OG: Eric Steinbach, Browns
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OG: Logan Mankins, Patriots
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C: Jeff Saturday, Colts
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Defense

DE: Mario Williams, Texans
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DE: Dwight Freeney, Colts
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AFC: 2nd Team

QB: Tom Brady, Patriots
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HB: Ronnie Brown, Dolphins
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WR: Andre Johnson, Texans
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WR: Braylon Edwards, Browns
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TE: Tony Gonzalez, Chiefs
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OT: Marcus McNeill, Chargers
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OT: Michael Roos, Titans
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OG: Alan Faneca, Jets
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OG: Kris Dielman, Chargers
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C: Nick Mangold, Jets
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Defense

DE: Kyle Vanden Bosch, Titans
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DE: Derrick Burgess, Raiders
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NFC: 1st Team

QB: Drew Brees, Saints
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HB: Brian Westbrook, Eagles
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WR: Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals
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WR: Terrell Owens, Cowboys
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TE: Jason Witten, Cowboys
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OT: Walter Jones, Seahawks
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OT: Jammal Brown, Saints
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OG: Shawn Andrews, Eagles
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OG: Steve Hutchinson, Vikings
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C: Andre Gurode, Cowboys
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Defense

DE: Jared Allen, Vikings
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DE: Osi Umenyiora, Giants
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NFC: 2nd Team

QB: Tony Romo, Cowboys
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HB: Adrian Peterson, Vikings
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WR: Marques Colston, Saints
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WR: Anquan Boldin, Cardinals
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TE: Chris Cooley, Redskins
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OT: Chris Samuels, Redskins
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OT: Flozell Adams, Cowboys
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OG: Chris Snee, Giants
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OG: Jahri Evans, Saints
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C: Olin Kreutz, Bears
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Defense

DE: Aaron Kampman, Packers
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DE: Trent Cole, Eagles
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[Turtlepower]

AFC: Peyton Manning
He is the model of consistency when it comes to NFL QBs.

NFC: Eli Manning
There really is a drop-off in QB talent when you go from the AFC to the NFC. If Eli Manning can perform in the regular season like he did in the playoffs, he will end the season in Hawaii.

[neko4]

Peyton and Eli at the top of the league would be cool.
NFC QB's are all pretty close. I wonder if Favre would be considered the best NFC QB this year if he was to play.

[TimD]

AFC: Peyton Manning
NFC: Drew Brees (with the defense improved he'll get better field position and more time on the field)

[Duster]

Peyton and Eli at the top of the league would be cool.
NFC QB's are all pretty close. I wonder if Favre would be considered the best NFC QB this year if he was to play.

Yes, if we're basing it on last year's play.

My votes:

AFC: Tom Brady

Brady has supreme talent around him and has proved he knows how to use it. I think the Colts offense is going to look a lot more pedestrian than normal also, which will hurt Manning.

NFC: Tony Romo

Romo will compile stats because he has a great team around him. I'm not a big fan myself because he self-destructs too often, but he is explosive even if he does take too many risks.

[Go_Eagles77]

I'll agree with Neko

AFC: Brady
NFC: Brees

[neko4]

So far...

AFC
Brady4
Manning2


NFC
Brees3
Romo2
Eli1

[703SKINS202]

Brady
Romo

[Hines]

Brady and Brees

[the_legend_killer]

Peyton Manning and Drew Brees

[Burns336]

AFC: Brady: The Pats D may struggle, but the Offense is pretty much unchanged. I see Brady having big numbers again.

NFC: Romo: Year number 2 under Jason Garrett, with everyone who mattered returning on offense, plus more experience for the young WR's. He could realistically hit 40 TD's and 4300 yards.

[neko4]

So far...

AFC
Brady7
Manning3


NFC
Brees6
Romo3
Eli1

Updated as of Addict's post

[eaglesalltheway]

I'll say Manning for the AFc and for the NFC McNabb.. Just kidding, its Brees for me.

[Addict]

Brady/Brees sounds like a solid combo to me.

[cdub11]

AFC: Manning
NFC: Romo

[d34ng3l021]

AFC Peyton Manning.
You are guaranteed 4000 yards and 30 TDs from him every year. I dont see Tom Brady having nearly the same success as he did last year. I think teams will do whatever they can to bring the heat to him.

NFC Drew Brees.
Remember when he started off with 1 TD and 9 interceptions? Well in his last 12 games, he had 27 TDs and 9 interceptions. Thats classic Brees.

[xooberon]

AFC
Manning

NFC
Romo

[Addict]

AFC Peyton Manning.
You are guaranteed 4000 yards and 30 TDs from him every year. I dont see Tom Brady having nearly the same success as he did last year. I think teams will do whatever they can to bring the heat to him.

They did that last year too. For years it's been: beat brady, beat the Pats. He's still got the same weapons. Not saying Manning is a bad pick, but the basis for your dismissal of Brady doesn't work.

[regoob2]

Manning and Manning.

[neko4]

so far.........

[Vikes99ej]

AFC: Peyton Manning

NFC: Tony Romo

[Strongside]

I'll take Brees and Peyton Manning

[neko4]

Peyton Manning wins the AFC


NFC
Brees8
Romo6
Eli2

[draftguru151]

Drew Brees.

[Duster]

Wow, I'm surprised to see Manning beat out Brady, especially with the question marks around Harrison.

[bored of education]

Drew Brees!

[leroyisgod]

Manning
Romo

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Manning and Romo

[fenikz]

Drew Brees.

[MetSox17]

Roomooo!!!!!

And Eli Manning?? Seriously?? How in the hell is he All-NFC?? His highest quarterback rating since he got into the league is a 77.0.. People are over-blowing (literally) his guiding of the Giants to their Superbowl victory. You can't go wrong with Brees or Romo, but Eli freakin' Manning??!

[703SKINS202]

Roomooo!!!!!

And Eli Manning?? Seriously?? How in the hell is he All-NFC?? His highest quarterback rating since he got into the league is a 77.0.. People are over-blowing (literally) his guiding of the Giants to their Superbowl victory. You can't go wrong with Brees or Romo, but Eli freakin' Manning??!

completely agree

[Addict]

Roomooo!!!!!

And Eli Manning?? Seriously?? How in the hell is he All-NFC?? His highest quarterback rating since he got into the league is a 77.0.. People are over-blowing (literally) his guiding of the Giants to their Superbowl victory. You can't go wrong with Brees or Romo, but Eli freakin' Manning??!

I don't get it either.

[diabsoule]

NFC QB's:
Brees
Romo


Eli Manning





Marc Bulger
Matt Hassleback








Everyone else.

That's my vote for Drew Brees. I also think that secures Drew Brees as the NFC 1 and Romo as the NFC 2.

[draftguru151]

BOE's vote got him to 10 :p.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

AFC- Peyton Manning
NFC- Drew Brees

[Eaglez.Fan]

oh c'mon. Eli Manning???

Brees, Hasselbeck, and McNabb are all better.

[diabsoule]

oh c'mon. Eli Manning???

Brees, Hasselbeck, and McNabb are all better.

How is McNabb better? Eli has won a SB and McNabb was throwing up during his SB cuz he ate too much Campbell's soup.

[Sniper]

McNabb was throwing up during his SB cuz he ate too much Campbell's soup.

That joke was only old four years ago.

[Sniper]

I suppose it's on to running backs now? 2 each I'd assume.

NFC: Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson
AFC: LaDainian Tomlinson, Willie Parker

[diabsoule]

That joke was only old four years ago.

Doesn't seem that old does it?

[Turtlepower]

NFC: Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson
AFC: LaDainian Tomlinson, Ronnie Brown

[diabsoule]

AFC: LaDainian Tomlison & Joseph Addai
NFC: Brian Westbrook & Adrian Peterson

[Hines]

AFC: LT and Addai
NFC: AP and Westbrook

[DragonFireKai]

AFC: Tomlinson, Parker
NFC: Westbrook, Peterson.

[the_legend_killer]

AFC: LaDainian Tomlinson and Joseph Addai
NFC: Adrian Peterson and Brian Westbrook

[iworshipbender]

AFC: LT, Willie Parker
NFC: Westbrook, Jackson

[Crazy_Chris]

AFC:Ladanian Tomlinson & Ronnie Brown
NFC:Adrian Peterson & Brian Westbrook

[Sniper]

Doesn't seem that old does it?

As a Philly fan, yes, it does. Not because of what happened and when it happened, but because it's only been used by about 678,912,908,999 people who hate the Eagles.

I don't know how Tom Brady got 2nd best QB after a 50 TD season.

[Hwoarang]

NFC: Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson
AFC: LaDainian Tomlinson, Ronnie BrownWhat this guy said.

[703SKINS202]

AFC: LT and Addai
NFC: AP and Westbrook

also my vote

[Turtlepower]

NFC:
Brian Westbrook - 10
Adrian Peterson - 9
Steven Jackson - 1

AFC:
LaDainian Tomlinson - 10
Joseph Addia - 4
Willie Parker - 3
Ronnie Brown - 3

So now only vote for 1 NFC and 1 AFC because Westbrook and Tomlinson are 1st team.

[draftguru151]

AD and Ronnie Brown.

[Go_Eagles77]

How is McNabb better? Eli has won a SB and McNabb was throwing up during his SB cuz he ate too much Campbell's soup.

That isn't a good argument. Dan Marino never won a superbowl but Trent Dilfer did. It was the giants defense that won their superbowl, just like the ravens defense won the superbowl. I'm not comparing McNabb to Dan Marino by any means but that just proves that QBs alone don't win championships. And maybe the reason McNabb was throwing up was because he was forced to constantly run around to escape pressure. I seriously find it laughable the amount of people who consider Manning better than McNabb because of the Superbowl, other than those couple games he was extremely average last season, while McNabb is a 5 time pro bowler and has way better stats, with much worse receivers (minus 1 and a half seasons with TO). Eli could be better in the future but the only thing he has proven over McNabb at this point is that he won a superbowl, which is an attribute to a whole team, not 1 player.

To stay on topic
NFC: Westbrook, Peterson
AFC: Tomlinson, Fred Taylor

[Turtlepower]

NFC:
Brian Westbrook - 10
Adrian Peterson - 10
Steven Jackson - 1

AFC:
LaDainian Tomlinson - 10
Joseph Addia - 4
Ronnie Brown - 4
Willie Parker - 3
Fred Taylor 1

Only vote for 1 AFC now because every other spot is taken up.

[Hwoarang]

It was the giants defense that won their superbowl, just like the ravens defense won the superbowl.
David Tyree would disagree.

The defense almost let them down as good as they played.

[Sniper]

David Tyree would disagree.

The defense almost let them down as good as they played.

David Tyree wouldn't have had the chance to make the catch if the Giants' defense didn't turn the Patriots' OL to swiss cheese all game.

[DragonFireKai]

David Tyree would disagree.

The defense almost let them down as good as they played.

You've got it backwards. When a defense takes an offense that's averaging 36.8 ppg and holds them to 14, they've done their Job. When an offense that's averaging 23.3 ppg only scores 17 points, they damn near gave up the game. Don't let one flukey play distract you from who underperformed.

[diabsoule]

As a Philly fan, yes, it does. Not because of what happened and when it happened, but because it's only been used by about 678,912,908,999 people who hate the Eagles.

I don't know how Tom Brady got 2nd best QB after a 50 TD season.

I can see how that would get old but I hate Eagles fans. I don't hate the Eagles but their fans suck. I've only met 3 Eagles fans in my life that I've been able to get along with. The rest are a bunch of angry assholes that are mad cuz their sports franchises haven't been able to win a championship in years. At least they do know what it's like to win A championship. New Orleans hasn't been able to win any professional sports championships at all.

[Hwoarang]

David Tyree wouldn't have had the chance to make the catch if the Giants' defense didn't turn the Patriots' OL to swiss cheese all game.The D gave up the go ahead score. If they stop them the Giants don't need Tyree to make the catch. They played great, just sayin.

[diabsoule]

That isn't a good argument. Dan Marino never won a superbowl but Trent Dilfer did. It was the giants defense that won their superbowl, just like the ravens defense won the superbowl. I'm not comparing McNabb to Dan Marino by any means but that just proves that QBs alone don't win championships. And maybe the reason McNabb was throwing up was because he was forced to constantly run around to escape pressure. I seriously find it laughable the amount of people who consider Manning better than McNabb because of the Superbowl, other than those couple games he was extremely average last season, while McNabb is a 5 time pro bowler and has way better stats, with much worse receivers (minus 1 and a half seasons with TO). Eli could be better in the future but the only thing he has proven over McNabb at this point is that he won a superbowl, which is an attribute to a whole team, not 1 player.

To stay on topic
NFC: Westbrook, Peterson
AFC: Tomlinson, Fred Taylor

I know all of that. There was a time when I thought McNabb was one of the best QB's in the league but until he is able to play more than six games a season I will continue to rank Eli Manning ahead of him.

[Sniper]

The D gave up the go ahead score. If they stop them the Giants don't need Tyree to make the catch. They played great, just sayin.

The D also held the NFL's all-time most prolific offense to 14 points.

[diabsoule]

The D gave up the go ahead score. If they stop them the Giants don't need Tyree to make the catch. They played great, just sayin.

Don't argue with an Eagles fan. Logic could run up and ***** slap them in the face and they wouldn't even know it.

[Turtlepower]

The D also held the NFL's all-time most prolific offense to 14 points.

"We're only going to score 17 points... Ha ha ha."

[Hwoarang]

The D also held the NFL's all-time most prolific offense to 14 points.Where am I saying they didn't play great? They did, just happened to give up the go a head score and saying the D won the game when they didn't that is sort of a false statement. The offense and Eli's cold veins won that game.

[Turtlepower]

Anyway... VOTE FOR AN AFC RUNNING BACK!!!

[Sniper]

Where am I saying they didn't play great? They did, just just happened to give up the go a head score and saying the D won the game when they did that is sort of a false statement. The offense and Eli's cold veins won that game.

No, they didn't. The only reason why the Giants were even in the game was because of their defense.

Anyways, let's get people to vote for the RBs so we can move on.

[DragonFireKai]

I know all of that. There was a time when I thought McNabb was one of the best QB's in the league but until he is able to play more than six games a season I will continue to rank Eli Manning ahead of him.

Well, Good News Then. McNabb has averaged 12 games played per season since 2004. You now should rank him above manning by your own criteria.

[diabsoule]

Well, Good News Then. McNabb has averaged 12 games played per season since 2004. You now should rank him above manning by your own criteria.

But I won't until he proves he can be healthy.

[DragonFireKai]

Where am I saying they didn't play great? They did, just happened to give up the go a head score and saying the D won the game when they didn't that is sort of a false statement. The offense and Eli's cold veins won that game.

The Giants offense scored not only below their own average, but below the average given up by the Pats D. They underperformed the entire game. Manning still didn't manage to complete more than 56% of his passes, and that was against a defense that was a hair away from giving up 60% completions on the season.

[umphrey]

Ronnie Brown

[DragonFireKai]

AFC:
Ronnie Brown - 4


I don't think people understand the effect that a torn ACL has on a running back the next season.

[Turtlepower]

I don't think people understand the effect that a torn ACL has on a running back the next season.

Ronnie Brown - 5

[DragonFireKai]

Ronnie Brown - 5

Just proving my point for me.

[Turtlepower]

Just proving my point for me.

Honestly, I think that after Tomlinson, the rest of the AFC is a crapshoot. So I picked Ronnie Brown because he was sick at the beginning of the year and had a lot of time to recover from his ACL tear.

[TACKLE]

Ronnie Brown

I know the ACL is an issue but he had half of the reg season and all of the off-season to recover. The addition of Jake Long should help the running game. Ronnie was the leading rusher in the AFC despite being on a winless team.

[Hwoarang]

The Giants offense scored not only below their own average, but below the average given up by the Pats D. They underperformed the entire game. Manning still didn't manage to complete more than 56% of his passes, and that was against a defense that was a hair away from giving up 60% completions on the season.If I want stats i'll ask for stats.

[Turtlepower]

Ronnie Brown - 6
Joseph Addia - 4
Willie Parker - 3
Fred Taylor - 1

[DragonFireKai]

Honestly, I think that after Tomlinson, the rest of the AFC is a crapshoot. So I picked Ronnie Brown because he was sick at the beginning of the year and had a lot of time to recover from his ACL tear.

For a running back an ACL tear is a two year recovery.

Edgerrin James tore his ACL in game 6, the next season he had 989 rushing yards on 3.4 ypc.

Ronnie Brown tore his ACL in game 7.

[DragonFireKai]

If I want stats i'll ask for stats.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

[Hwoarang]

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.The D gave up the go ahead score. Fact. Next.

Ronnie Brown should come back nicely. Probably start out a little slow but he'll be 2nd in the AFC in rushing.

[Hwoarang]

For a running back an ACL tear is a two year recovery.

Edgerrin James tore his ACL in game 6, the next season he had 989 rushing yards on 3.4 ypc.

Ronnie Brown tore his ACL in game 7.
Mike McKenzie tore his ACL Dec. 23rd 2007 and is expected to start the 1st game. Recovery time is different for every player.

[nobodyinparticular]

Has anyone thought about the fact that "All-Pro" actually suggests that the pool comes from the entire NFL, not separate lists from AFC/NFC?

So why are people making separate AFC/NFC lists?

[Sniper]

Has anyone thought about the fact that "All-Pro" actually suggests that the pool comes from the entire NFL, not separate lists from AFC/NFC?

So why are people making separate AFC/NFC lists?

I thought of that myself, but decided to go along with everyone else. Seemed easier.

[neko4]

Has anyone thought about the fact that "All-Pro" actually suggests that the pool comes from the entire NFL, not separate lists from AFC/NFC?

So why are people making separate AFC/NFC lists?
Because i did on purpose. i didnt even think someone would care enough to point it out.

If a mod wishes too he can change it to Pro Bowl Team instead of All-Pro

[neko4]

Joseph Addai for AFC. Better supporting cast than Ronnie

Is that 5 for him?

[neko4]

Alrite this is taking awhile. Originally I planned it so that once a player hit 10 that voting was over for his position in that conference, so Ronnie Brown should be the 2nd team RB.

[Hwoarang]

Edit then nvm.

[neko4]

lets just move onto WR's

Pick 2

AFC: Randy Moss and Chad Johnson if he plays

NFC: Larry Fitzgerald and Greg Jennings with the breakout year!

[Sniper]

AFC: Randy Moss and Braylon Edwards
NFC: Larry Fitzgerald and Terrell Owens

[Turtlepower]

AFC: Randy Moss and Andre Johnson

NFC: Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin

[Hwoarang]

AFC-Randy Moss/Reggie Wayne (Led the league in rec. yards)

NFC-Larry Fitzgerald/Marques Colston (homer idc)

[neko4]

AFC
Randy Moss 7
Andre Johnson 3
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 1
Reggie Wayne 3

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 6
Anquan Boldin 1
Terrell Owens 5
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 1
Roy Williams 1
Michael Clayton 1

[neko4]

AFC-Randy Moss/Reggie Wayne (Led the league in rec. yards)

NFC-Larry Fitzgerald/Marques Colston (homer idc)

Excellent point about Wayne. Plus he'll be Mannings best target this year

[Brothgar]

Randy Moss and Braylon Edwards

TO and Roy Williams

[Sniper]

Excellent point about Wayne. Plus he'll be Mannings best target this year

And the target of more frequent double teams...

[neko4]

And the target of more frequent double teams...
True, hopefully Marvin will be healthy or Anthony Gonzalez will continue to progress.

[Hwoarang]

And the target of more frequent double teams...He just flat out knows how to get open though.

[draftguru151]

Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald, TO

[Crazy_Chris]

AFC:Randy Moss & Andre Johnson
NFC:Larry Fitzgerald & Terrel Owens

[Bruce Banner]

Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss

Terrell Owens, Michael Clayton

[neko4]

michael clayton?

[Eaglez.Fan]

How is McNabb better? Eli has won a SB and McNabb was throwing up during his SB cuz he ate too much Campbell's soup.

Dude are you kidding me?

Okay, I'll just look at 2007 because McNabbs stats blow away Mannings in previous years (although he was just breaking into the league so to do it would be unfair).

McNabb- 89.9 QB rating, 61.5 completetion percentage, 237.4 yards/game, and 7 yards per attempt.

Manning- 73.9 rating, 56.1 completetion percentage, 208.5 yards/game, and 6.3 yards per attempt.

And I'm not even touching the fact that Manning had better weapons.

[Bruce Banner]

Healthy Manning is not better than a heathy McNabb. Come on people.

[neko4]

Dude are you kidding me?

Okay, I'll just look at 2007 because McNabbs stats blow away Mannings in previous years (although he was just breaking into the league so to do it would be unfair).

McNabb- 89.9 QB rating, 61.5 completetion percentage, 237.4 yards/game, and 7 yards per attempt.

Manning- 73.9 rating, 56.1 completetion percentage, 208.5 yards/game, and 6.3 yards per attempt.

And I'm not even touching the fact that Manning had better weapons.
Oh and McNabb is a better runner

[703SKINS202]

AFC: Moss, R. Wayne
NFC: Owens, Fitzgerald

[Hwoarang]

Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss

Terrell Owens, Michael Clayton
You must be joking.

[Bruce Banner]

Oh and McNabb is a better runner

McNabb is capable of moving at a speed faster than power walking which alone puts him higher as a runner than Manning.

[Bruce Banner]

You must be joking.

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1112953&postcount=61

[Hwoarang]

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1112953&postcount=61Clayton isn't in the top 10 WR's in the NFC much less pre season all pro.

[neko4]

AFC
Randy Moss 9
Andre Johnson 3
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 1
Reggie Wayne 5

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 9
Anquan Boldin 1
Terrell Owens 6
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 1
Roy Williams 1
Michael Clayton 1
Steve Smith 1

Updated....

[Bruce Banner]

Clayton isn't in the top 10 WR's in the NFC much less pre season all pro.

Do you not see the joke?

[neko4]

to help keep things moving on, could you please change the michael clayton selection?

[Hwoarang]

Do you not see the joke?Not at all. I've had a long day :p

[Bruce Banner]

to help keep things moving on, could you please change the michael clayton selection?

Make it Larry Fitz.

[Eaglez.Fan]

Moss, Wayne
Fitz, Steve Smith

[neko4]

Wow, the first steve smith vote.

[diabsoule]

so Randy Moss has gotten it.

AFC: Reggie Wayne
NFC: Marques Colston, T.O.

[neko4]

Randy needs one more diab

AFC
Randy Moss 9
Andre Johnson 3
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 1
Reggie Wayne 6

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 9
Anquan Boldin 1
Terrell Owens 7
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 2
Roy Williams 1
Steve Smith 1

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Moss/Wayne
TO/Fitz

[Bengalsrocket]

Randy Moss / Chad Johnson

Larry Fitz / TO

now we're topped off :)

[Bengalsrocket]

P.S. How did Ronnie Brown beat both Willie parker AND L.J.?

[draftguru151]

P.S. How did Ronnie Brown beat both Willie parker AND L.J.?

Because when he was healthy last year he was dominant?

[umphrey]

Andre Johnson
Randy Moss

Terrell Owens
Larry Fitz

[Bengalsrocket]

Because when he was healthy last year he was dominant?

You're right, Willie didn't lead the league in rushing or anything, my mistake. Oh and when LJ was healthy he didn't have back to back 1700 yard rushing seasons or anything =/

[umphrey]

Production =/= talent

[holt_bruce81]

Randy Moss
Andre Johnson

Anquan Boldin
Torry Holt

[neko4]

AFC
Randy Moss 10
Andre Johnson 5
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 2
Reggie Wayne 8

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 10
Anquan Boldin 2
Terrell Owens 10
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 2
Roy Williams 1
Steve Smith 1
Tory Holt 1



In the AFC, we still need the other 3

[draftguru151]

Well Parker was 4th in rushing (I think that was sarcasm because Johnson did have back to back 1700 yard seasons, not sure though) but statistics aside that is the past and this is a projection for next season. I really don't think a ton of people think Parker is the 2nd best back in the AFC (not only evident in this thread but other discussions about Parker) and Johnson does have the 400+ carry thing as well as the injury last year as well as the mediocre line blocking for him. I'm just guessing that people saw what Brown did last year (was on pace for 2,200 total yards) and saw the additions made to offensive line (as well as coaching) and assumed he'd have the 2nd best season for an AFC running back.

[neko4]

Some people forget that these are predictions. Realistic predictions though.

[cdub11]

Reggie Wayne - 8

[Bengalsrocket]

Well Parker was 4th in rushing (I think that was sarcasm because Johnson did have back to back 1700 yard seasons, not sure though) but statistics aside that is the past and this is a projection for next season. I really don't think a ton of people think Parker is the 2nd best back in the AFC (not only evident in this thread but other discussions about Parker) and Johnson does have the 400+ carry thing as well as the injury last year as well as the mediocre line blocking for him. I'm just guessing that people saw what Brown did last year (was on pace for 2,200 total yards) and saw the additions made to offensive line (as well as coaching) and assumed he'd have the 2nd best season for an AFC running back.

Before Parker got injured I'm pretty sure he was leading the league in rushing ( He had some type of endorsement contract that said he'd get X amount of money if he was the rushing leading - though maybe I am wrong) and no its not sarcasm.

I don't really want to change the thread too much, so not going to get into a huge argument here, but I really hate the argument "L.J. is broken because of his 400 carries". He's played in the league for 5 years. 2 of those years he only carried the ball 140 times. He's young, he'll heal up, he'll come back behind a better line and do his job just like every other back. In all of my time following football I've never seen so many people give up on a player because of 1 bad season :(

[neko4]

Im declaring Reggie Wayne the 2nd WR for the AFC

[d34ng3l021]

Iono if the votes are up, but I am saying Andre Johnson.

[neko4]

AFC
Randy Moss 10
Andre Johnson 5
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 2
Reggie Wayne 8

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 10
Anquan Boldin 2
Terrell Owens 10
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 2
Roy Williams 1
Steve Smith 1
Tory Holt 1

[Jughead10]

McNabb is capable of moving at a speed faster than power walking which alone puts him higher as a runner than Manning.

Eli can actually scramble pretty well. Not like McNabb, but Eli is a ton more athletic than his brother.

[MetSox17]

Randy Moss, Braylon Edwards

Terrell Owens, Larry Fitzgerald

[MetSox17]

AFC
Randy Moss 10
Andre Johnson 5
Braylon Edwards 2
Chad Johnson 2
Reggie Wayne 8

NFC
Larry Fitzgerald 10
Anquan Boldin 2
Terrell Owens 10
Greg Jennings 1
Marques Colston 2
Roy Williams 1
Steve Smith 1
Tory Holt 1

Tight Ends next?

Kellen Winslow Jr, Jason Witten

[Bruce Banner]

Gates, Witten

[The Great Jonathan Vilma]

Gates , Witten

[diabsoule]

Gates & Witten

[holt_bruce81]

Kellen Winslow Jr.

Vernon Davis

[Bengalsrocket]

Tony G
Witten

[BlindSite]

This is already ********.

[Caddy]

Antonio Gates & Jason Witten

[Bruce Banner]

This is already ********.

because Stevie didn't get in?

[eaglesalltheway]

Hmm, I say we just go with Gates and Witten.

[M.O.T.H.]

I too would go w/ Gates and Witten.

They should win easily so...if we're talking second team. I'd go, Winslow and Cooley.

[neko4]

Gates, Cooley

[neko4]

currently witten and gates have big leads.
winslow and tony g are tied for 2nd team in the AFC
Cooley and Davis are tied for 2nd team in the NFC

[Gay Ork Wang]

Id take Ronnie Brown over those two for next season. If u look at the miami line, it wasnt alot better than the KC line and alot lot worse than the steelers line. WP did lead the league in rushing, had only 2 TDs to show for which is horrible. Ronnie brown did a great job for 4 -5 games until he got injured and there is nothing indicating that LJ will be as good as he was the upcoming season. RB was the only threat on offense really and was pretty much the only one scoring.

[Brothgar]

Gates Witten

[neko4]

Gates Witten
i've already decided on those two. I need a tie breaking vote

[Or Moyal]

NFC: Brees, Westbrook, Owens, Fitzgerald.
Romo, Peterson, Colston, Jennings (Rip me if you like, I think he's primed for a breakout).
AFC: Manning, Tomlinson, Moss, Wayne
Brady, Maroney, Johnson, Edwards.

[neko4]

we already did all those positions. We're on TE's and we need tie breaking votes for 2nd team TE's.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Cooley Tony G

[neko4]

thank you,
AFC:
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzales

NFC:
Jason Witten
Chris Cooley

[Brothgar]

i've already decided on those two. I need a tie breaking vote

Tony G and Cooley

[Gay Ork Wang]

good thing we agree on sth :)

[neko4]

OT's now

best OT's regardless of playing LT or RT

AFC: Joe Thomas, D'Brick (I hope he'll breakout)
NFC: Walter Jones, Chad Clifton

[M.O.T.H.]

Joe Thomas/Jason Peters

Walter Jones/Flozell Adams

[Gay Ork Wang]

Joe Thomas, Jason Peters

Jammal Brown Walter Jones

[Brothgar]

NFC McKinnie Walters
AFC Thomas McNeil

[cdub11]

AFC
Joe Thomas
Marcus McNeil

NFC
Walter Jones
Chris Samuels

[OSUGiants17]

Joe Thomas, Jason Peters

Jammal Brown Walter Jones

I agree with Renji

[Turtlepower]

Joe Thomas, Jason Peters

Jammal Brown Walter Jones

[neko4]

NFC McKinnie Walters
AFC Thomas McNeil
whoe walters?
walter jones?

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Joe Thomas Jason Peters

Flozell Adams Walter Jones

[Sniper]

AFC: Joe Thomas, Jason Peters
NFC: Walter Jones, Chris Samuels

[xooberon]

AFC:
Joe Thomas
Jason Peters

NFC:
Chris Samuels
Jamaal Brown

[neko4]

joe thomas now has 10 votes

[bored of education]

jason peters, brandon albert

jones and brown

[neko4]

still pick 2 for the AFC

[wicket]

Joe Thomas, Jason Peters

Jammal Brown Walter Jones

that'll be my vote as well

[neko4]

Joe thomas already reached 10 votes, pick another AFC OT

[TACKLE]

AFC: Jason Peters, Michael Roos
NFC: Walter Jones, Jordan Gross

[JT Jag]

AFC: Jason Peters (#2)
NFC: Jammal Brown, Walter Jones

[neko4]

Walter Jones and Jason Peters have 10

[neko4]

AFC: Jason Peters (#2)
NFC: Jammal Brown, Walter Jones
Peters and Jones already have 10

[Go_Eagles77]

Jammal Brown for the last spot.

[MetSox17]

Marcus McNeil, Flozell Adams

[Hwoarang]

Damn missed the vote for Brown.

[neko4]

3 way tie in the AFC for 2nd team OT
D'Brick
Branden Albert
Michael Roos

[draftguru151]

Michael Roos.

[Sniper]

3 way tie in the AFC for 2nd team OT
D'Brick
Branden Albert
Michael Roos

The same Branden Albert who hasn't played a down yet?

Roos FTW

[neko4]

onto OG's
best regardless of Left or Right

[Bruce Banner]

3 way tie in the AFC for 2nd team OT
D'Brick
Branden Albert
Michael Roos

Roos here....

[Sniper]

NFC: Shawn Andrews and Steve Hutchinson
AFC: Alan Faneca and Logan Mankins

[Bruce Banner]

NFC: Shawn Andrews and Steve Hutchinson
AFC: Alan Faneca and Logan Mankins

Can I just say ditto?

[Hwoarang]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson/Jahri Evans

AFC: Alan Faneca/Logan Mankins

[neko4]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson
Chris Snee

AFC: Logan Mankins
Eric Steinbach

[Turtlepower]

NFC:
Steve Hutchinson
Chris Snee

AFC:
Logan Mankins
Eric Steinbach

[neko4]

I forgot about Snee

[Hwoarang]

I forgot about SneeYet still no one knows about Jahri.

[draftguru151]

Snee and Andrews

Steinbach and Dielman

[bored of education]

NFC: Andrews and Evans
AFC: Dielman and Steinbach

[Turtlepower]

Yet still no one knows about Jahri.

Jahri is not even in the same league as Snee.

[Vikes99ej]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson and Shaun Andrews
AFC: Eric Steinbach and Alan Faneca

[fenikz]

AFC: Steinbach & Deilman
NFC: Evans and Andrews

[M.O.T.H.]

Shawn Andrews/Leonard Davis

Eric Steinbach/Kris Dielman

[M.O.T.H.]

I'm surprised Evans is getting more votes than Davis.

[TACKLE]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson, Shawn Andrews
AFC: Eric Steinbach, Jason Brown (Ravens)

[Brothgar]

Hutch and Andrews

Faneca and Steinbach

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Andrews/ Leonard Davis

Steinbach/Mankins

[cdub11]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson & Leonard Davis
AFC: Eric Steinbach & Alan Faneca

[Go_Eagles77]

NFC: Andrews and Hutchinson
AFC: Faneca and Steinbach

[Eaglez.Fan]

Andrews, Hutch
Faneca, Deilman

[Hwoarang]

Jahri is not even in the same league as Snee.I'd be willing to bet he's up there.

I'm surprised Evans is getting more votes than Davis.People who watch him play aren't.

[M.O.T.H.]

I'd be willing to bet he's up there.

People who watch him play aren't.

Are you kidding me? You think I havent seen him play?

Leonard Davis may have been the most dominant guard in the game last year. Davis, Hutch, Andrews, and Snee all deserve to be ranked higher than Evans. Yes, he's a great player but, I wouldnt pick him over any of those 4.

[draftguru151]

But he's on the Saints!

[Sniper]

Looks like Hutchinson and Andrews are the NFC guards

[Hwoarang]

But he's on the Saints! Say what not? I know i'm not the only one

Underrated: G Jahri Evans. It's a shame he didn't get voted into the Pro Bowl last season. He's as dominant a guard as there is in the league. Too bad nobody knows it.http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10843371

4. Jahri Evans, RG, New Orleans: (http://www.flyingcolorssports.com/custom/jahrievans/Player.asp?Id=28) He played a pivotal role in the Saints' outstanding 2006 season as a rookie and with Alan Faneca aging, I'm predicting that Evans will be the guy who you start to hear about as one of the best guards in the league. Evans has good strength/quickness and has fulfilled his promise as one of the top "sleepers" in the 2006 draft.http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2008/06/ten_offensive_players_who_will_1.html

G Jahri Evans. As a rookie, he didn't give up a sack. That's high marks for a young lineman. http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10205109

[M.O.T.H.]

Evans has a very bright future but, he's just not on their level. Not just yet.

[MetSox17]

Leonard Davis > Jahri Evans

[yourfavestoner]

NFC: Steve Hutchinson and Shawn Andrews
AFC: Logan Mankins and Vince Manuwai

[TimD]

AFC: Steve Hutchinson and Jahri Evans
NFC: Eric Steinbech and Alan Faneca

[SuperMcGee]

Not sure if these are settled or not, but I'll say:

NFC: Steve Hutchinson and Chris Snee
AFC: Eric Steinbach and Logan Mankins

[xooberon]

AFC:
Eric Steinbach
Logan Mankins

NFC:
Chris Snee
Leonard Davis

[Gay Ork Wang]

SteinBach, Mankins

Andrews, Hutchinson

[wicket]

hutchinson/evans
Steinbach/Mankins

[Addict]

SteinBach, Mankins

Andrews, Hutchinson

I agree with these 4

[neko4]

NFC 1st Team OG's
Shawn Andrews
Steve Hutchinson
2nd Team
Jahari Evans
Chris Snee

AFC 1st Team OG's
Logan Mankins
Eric Steinbach
2nd Team
Alan Faneca
Vince Manuwai

EDIT: I'll just go with Manuwai

[neko4]

onto Centers
AFC: Jeff Saturday
NFC: Olin Kreutz

[Sniper]

onto Centers
AFC: Jeff Saturday
NFC: Olin Kreutz

Same for me.

[M.O.T.H.]

Saturday and Gurode

[Gay Ork Wang]

jup ill agree with Saturday and Kreutz

[draftguru151]

AFC 1st Team OG's
Logan Mankins
Eric Steinbach
2nd Team
Alan Faneca
Vince Manuwai

EDIT: I'll just go with Manuwai

Kris Dielman got 5 votes.:confused:

Nick Hardwick and Matt Birk.

[neko4]

Kris Dielman got 5 votes.:confused:

Nick Hardwick and Matt Birk.
my bad
lemme fix that

[cdub11]

Saturday and Gurode

ill with this one also

[Burns336]

ill with this one also

Im going with saturday and gurode as well

[TACKLE]

NFC: Jeff Faine
AFC: Nick Mangold

[Vikes99ej]

NFC: Matt Birk
AFC: Jeff Saturday

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Saturday/ Gurode

[Eaglez.Fan]

I'll take Birk and Saturday.

[my future me]

Birk
Koppen

[Turtlepower]

Saturday and Kreutz

[neko4]

I dont get all the Andre Gurode love.
Im sure he's a good blocker, but he also had too many bad snaps as I remember

[Turtlepower]

I dont get all the Andre Gurode love.
Im sure he's a good blocker, but he also had too many bad snaps as I remember

He's a Cowboy...

[Im_a_Romosexual]

ok a couple bad snaps. Dude was voted #1 at his position by GM's Coaches etc.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/pfw-releases-its-annual-player-rankings.html

scroll down a bit

[neko4]

oh yeah i forgot.

[neko4]

ok a couple bad snaps. Dude was voted #1 at his position by GM's Coaches etc.

Link Coming
yes, but you dont see that very often by other pro Centers.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Olin Kreutz never had bad snaps, Grossman just ****** it up everytime

[TimD]

Gurode and Mangold

[Duster]

Gurode needs to be more consistent out of the shotgun before he's rated with the best. His #1 job is getting the ball to the QB and he muffs it too many times.

[scottyboy]

Shaun O'Hara was the captain and anchor of the Super Bowl winning offense AND most importantly, he went to Rutgers.

him and eh idk mangold

[Go_Eagles77]

Birk and Mangold

[TimD]

I change my vote to O'Hara!

[Burns336]

physically, Gurode is the most dominate. He had maybe 5-7 high snaps with only 1 (Rams Game) or maybe 2 resulting in an actual fumble. It never hurt the team, and shouldn't be held against him. It has nothing to do with what team he plays for, that is just an ignorant statement. The Cowboys have one of the best lines in the league -- How is this possible if they are all just overhyped Cowboy players? He and Leonard Davis both have a realistic shot at All-Pro first team.

[neko4]

Yes the two fumbles didnt really hurt the team, but Tony Romo made 2 helluva plays out of them. Gurode is lucky those two bad snaps didnt hurt the team.

[neko4]

AFC
Saturday 9
Mangold 4
Koppen 1

NFC

Kreutz 4
Gurode 3
Faine 1
Birk 4
O'Hara 2

[bored of education]

Birk and Mantitsgold