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PSUEagles17
07-11-2008, 08:18 PM
Who will be the next Eagles Runningback. Yes i know it wont be another 3 or 4 years. But who has the better chance.

eaglesfan_45
07-11-2008, 11:04 PM
Booker.

He is similar to Brian Westbrook.
He is the ideal WCO RB, he is weapon in the passing and running game.

PSUEagles17
07-12-2008, 08:17 AM
hey i was just thinkin maybe we give Kevin Jones a shot. Or when draft day comes get Wells

eaglesfan_45
07-12-2008, 12:34 PM
The Eagles RBs are stacked, there is no reason to get Kevin Jones or Beanie Wells. We do not need a big money RB next year in FA we will probably go after a WCO RB like JJ Arrington.

I don't know to much about Kevin Jones, but I do know he was brought in earlier this off-season as a FA.

Beanie Wells is a terrible fit for our WCO, his receiving skills are questionable at best. He is not a threat in the running game and the in the passing game, which is the most important thing in a WCO.

BamaFalcon59
07-12-2008, 12:52 PM
Jones can catch great.

As for the question, I would say both have their roles.

eaglesfan_45
07-12-2008, 08:26 PM
Jones can catch great.

Well than, I would give Kevin Jones a shot. The RB has to be able to catch. Brian Westbrook had 90 receptions last year, thats more than most receivers. RBs in a WCO absolutely have to be a double threat, which is why we won't be seeing a lot of Tony Hunt this season or any time until he proves to the team he can catch the football.

Lorenzo Booker will be the #2 RB this season, so far he has REALLY impressed the Eagles.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15488

It is not just rookies that find the extra time of preparation advantageous.

Running back Lorenzo Booker is entering his second NFL season, but his first as an Eagle after being traded from the Miami Dolphins April 26. Learning the new offense like the rookies are, Booker participated in the camp as well.

"I felt 180 degrees different today (compared to the post-draft mini-camp)," Booker said Wednesday. "Just knowing everything, I was actually able to play as opposed to wondering if I am doing the right thing, wondering if I am lining up on the right side, or wondering if I am running the right route. Those were all things that were gone in terms of coming into this camp."

Booker remained in Philadelphia and around the NovaCare complex after the post-draft mini-camp so that he would be ready to go when this camp began.

"You can't play when you're thinking that's just the bottom line," he said.

Booker has even told his family that "this is the most comfortable I have ever been with any team I have joined for the first time: high school, college, whatever. Questions I would ask Kevin (Kolb) in the huddle weren't 'What am I doing?' It was pretty much getting timing down ...developing a little bit of chemistry. I can start focusing on the little things rather than everything."

PACKmanN
07-12-2008, 08:41 PM
Hunt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Booker. Hunt will be a solid back.

DLionALL
07-13-2008, 11:28 AM
Hopefully both of them. I'd really like to see a good 1-2 punch with Booker AND Hunt. Like BamaFalcon59 said they both have their roles. If I had to pick just one i'd say Booker just because he's a threat in the passing game and looks like he's a great fit so far.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 07:03 AM
Hopefully both of them. I'd really like to see a good 1-2 punch with Booker AND Hunt. Like BamaFalcon59 said they both have their roles. If I had to pick just one i'd say Booker just because he's a threat in the passing game and looks like he's a great fit so far.

At the risk of seemiong like I'm just going along with you, I'll agree. I want both of them to succeeed for the Eagles, and it is very obvious that they are diferent backs, and if both of them do, great we will have a solid 1-2 punch in our future. EF 45 is right though, Booker is a better fit for the starters role of the WCO, though I will say this though, we don't really know how well be blocks in the backfield, and if he is just as bad as Hunt was at times in the pres-season last year, that is definitely something that will need to be worked on for both of them. As it stands though, we don't know about Booker's blocking, so that is something we will have to wait and see. But if only one works out, I would prefer it to be Booker, and it seems as if he is already doing well. But like I said before, If we have both of them working out, that would do wonders for our offense, especially the running game.

Sniper
07-14-2008, 10:34 AM
Hunt if he learns to pass block

Sniper
07-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Beanie Wells is a terrible fit for our WCO, his receiving skills are questionable at best. He is not a threat in the running game and the in the passing game, which is the most important thing in a WCO.

Just because OSU doesn't throw the ball to their backs doesn't mean he's not good at it. Wells is a tank.

bsaza2358
07-14-2008, 11:03 AM
Hunt hasn't proven that he can consistently protect the passer or make yards in the running/receiving game. Booker has behind a worse OLine last year in Miami. If I were handicapping the Booker vs. Hunt race, I'd have Booker as a strong favorite for his similarity to Westbrook in skills (as others mentioned) plus his more productive rookie year.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 11:21 AM
Just because OSU doesn't throw the ball to their backs doesn't mean he's not good at it. Wells is a tank.

Thats coming from a Michigan fan too, so that says something about Wells. IMO Wells is a very good prospect if he keeps improving on what he did last year. Personally, I think wells is going to be a very good RB in the NFL, I don't see any LT or AD in him right now, but he is still a very good RB, and could be the first RB taken this year IF he declares, and I'm a PSU fan, so that is also saying something about Wells.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 11:22 AM
Hunt if he learns to pass block

I have now doubt that he will get it, I just don't know when. He was a great blocker for PSU in the passing game, he just needs to adjust to the timing and different assignments he faces against NFL defenses.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 11:26 AM
Hunt hasn't proven that he can consistently protect the passer or make yards in the running/receiving game. Booker has behind a worse OLine last year in Miami. If I were handicapping the Booker vs. Hunt race, I'd have Booker as a strong favorite for his similarity to Westbrook in skills (as others mentioned) plus his more productive rookie year.

Agreed, I still don't know hwo we got him for only a fourth rounder. PArcells must not have wanted him AT ALL. Hunt hasn't proven anything, but he is capable of being productive as both a runner and receiver. It still remains to be seen whether he performs to those capabilities, but there is no reason right now to think he won't. I agree with you about Booker, I definitely like what he brings to the table and think he is a much better fit in the offense for the starters role, and because of his rookie year, and the fact that the coaches love him, I definitly am leaning towards Booker right now.

bsaza2358
07-14-2008, 11:27 AM
Hunt's issue is that Booker, Westbrook, and Buck are ahead of him on the depth chart. I think he will beat out Buck, but his role will be limited because the explosiveness isn't there as it is with the other 2 guys.

bsaza2358
07-14-2008, 11:29 AM
Agreed, I still don't know hwo we got him for only a fourth rounder. PArcells must not have wanted him AT ALL. Hunt hasn't proven anything, but he is capable of being productive as both a runner and receiver. It still remains to be seen whether he performs to those capabilities, but there is no reason right now to think he won't. I agree with you about Booker, I definitely like what he brings to the table and think he is a much better fit in the offense for the starters role, and because of his rookie year, and the fact that the coaches love him, I definitly am leaning towards Booker right now.

Parcells has no use for smaller RB's. He always preferred guys like OJ Anderson to David Meggett's. He wants to control the clock and the line of scrimmage, then throw over the top. Sporano is a disciple and likely shares a similar philosophy.

Booker has the edge because he fits the Westbrook role. I think Hunt will get more touches this year to grind it out. Long term, Westbrook may not be with the Eagles, so it would be a Booker-Hunt thunder/lightning tandem. I don't see Westbrook with the team after 2011...

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 12:20 PM
Why not, don't you think the Eagles will try to re-sign him? Or is it that he won't want to came back?

bsaza2358
07-14-2008, 12:34 PM
I think that the Eagles will pick a point where Westbrook's upside and workload have maxed out, then they will cut him or trade him. The move will enrage all of us, but then he won't be any good at his next place, and we'll be happy. There has rarely been an older veteran player who has left the Eagles as a FA who has excelled on his new team. Derrick Burgess was signed away for massive money, so he doesn't exactly count.

Sniper
07-14-2008, 12:36 PM
Why not, don't you think the Eagles will try to re-sign him? Or is it that he won't want to came back?

Running backs have such a short life in the NFL. Plus, if he continues this productivity, he will take quite the beating and usually RBs head downhill after 30. In addition, he's going to want big money and I don't know if he will get it from this stingy team.

Remember kids, always keep $20 million of cap space for a rainy day! Even with your team having dire needs to fill.

Sniper
07-14-2008, 12:37 PM
Thats coming from a Michigan fan too, so that says something about Wells. IMO Wells is a very good prospect if he keeps improving on what he did last year. Personally, I think wells is going to be a very good RB in the NFL, I don't see any LT or AD in him right now, but he is still a very good RB, and could be the first RB taken this year IF he declares, and I'm a PSU fan, so that is also saying something about Wells.

Wells is disgusting. I think he's far and away the #1 back. No one runs with his type of power, and as he has shown numerous times, he can also break the big one. He runs like a man possessed.

bsaza2358
07-14-2008, 01:48 PM
I don't know why we're even worrying about college RB's or including them in this discussion. The Eagles don't really value RB that highly that it will matter.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 02:17 PM
I think that the Eagles will pick a point where Westbrook's upside and workload have maxed out, then they will cut him or trade him. The move will enrage all of us, but then he won't be any good at his next place, and we'll be happy. There has rarely been an older veteran player who has left the Eagles as a FA who has excelled on his new team. Derrick Burgess was signed away for massive money, so he doesn't exactly count.

This is all true, I just wanted to know whether you thought he would leave over a contract issue, or if it would be due to his contract expiring.

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Wells is disgusting. I think he's far and away the #1 back. No one runs with his type of power, and as he has shown numerous times, he can also break the big one. He runs like a man possessed.

Are you feeling alright sniper, you do know Wells plays for OSU right...?

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 02:19 PM
I don't know why we're even worrying about college RB's or including them in this discussion. The Eagles don't really value RB that highly that it will matter.

He was brought up before and I do agree that he will not be in the discussion at all, but I think Sniper and I wanted to get our opinions on Beanie out.

Sniper
07-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Are you feeling alright sniper, you do know Wells plays for OSU right...?

Yeah, but I don't have a problem admitting when rival players are good. Beanie Wells is indeed the truth. He has killed us the past two years. In the epic 42-39 game, he ripped off a huge TD run by spinning Prescott Burgess (I think) out of his shoes, then he went 39-222-2 on us last year.

Bastard...

eaglesalltheway
07-14-2008, 02:27 PM
Almost like Mike Hart on PSU ...

Sniper
07-14-2008, 02:28 PM
Almost like Mike Hart on PSU ...

YES YES YES YES YES YES! Mike Hart is awesome! His YPC sucked this year, but 44 carries to carry a freshman QB? Awesomeness.

eaglesfan_45
07-15-2008, 03:38 AM
Wells is disgusting. I think he's far and away the #1 back. No one runs with his type of power, and as he has shown numerous times, he can also break the big one. He runs like a man possessed.

I have no doubts he does all of this, the man is straight up beast. His running style (power) reminds me personally of Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson or even Duece McAllister. I really like the guy as a prospect but I have my doubts about his fit within a WCO where recieving skills are extremely important. I'll believe he can catch the football when I see it.

If he can't catch the ball the whole offense is ****** over. If he doesn't catch he holds just about as much value as Tony Hunt right now in the Eagles system. BTW if Tony Hunt doesn't improve much this season, I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. He doesn't seem "vital" to team success to me now that Booker is here.

eaglesalltheway
07-15-2008, 06:21 AM
I have no doubts he does all of this, the man is straight up beast. His running style (power) reminds me personally of Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson or even Duece McAllister. I really like the guy as a prospect but I have my doubts about his fit within a WCO where recieving skills are extremely important. I'll believe he can catch the football when I see it.

If he can't catch the ball the whole offense is ****** over. If he doesn't catch he holds just about as much value as Tony Hunt right now in the Eagles system. BTW if Tony Hunt doesn't improve much this season, I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. He doesn't seem "vital" to team success to me now that Booker is here.

There are very few RBs who enter the NFL who can't catch nowdays, but yes there are definitely some that are much more natural receivers. I think soemthing that Wesbrook has spoiled us with the past few years is he is the PERFECT WCO RB. We don't need someone exactly like him or Marshall Faulk in terms of receiving ability, but we definitely do need who can catch the ball and do something with it. Wells is one of those guys, and to be honest, he could fit in almost any offense. I agree about Hunt, if he doesn't improve that much, he very well may be gone.

bsaza2358
07-15-2008, 09:10 AM
With our aging OT's and the CB situation in flux, plus other needs (possibly at S), the Eagles aren't going to take a RB in round 1, even with 2 picks. That means Wells won't be an Eagle in all likelihood. Let's continue to stay on target here. Discuss the topic. If you want to discuss next years' draft, create a thread for it...

ThePudge
08-05-2008, 12:00 PM
I went to the camp today, watched practice. Booker's getting the snaps as the #2 RB, Hunt the #3. Booker looks fast, he looks explosive, and the team is using him very flexible. Booker went in motion and split out wide and caught several deep passes as well as the inevitible screen passes. he's going to help the Eagles and sooner rather than later. He was handling the #1 KR duties and I must say that was perhaps the most encouraging thing I saw all day. Booker seems the be the 1st option there, rookie Quintin Demps the #2. Both looked very good.

Hunt's role is more defined, he'll be their pounding, between the tackles, back similar to Dorsey Levens a few years back. He's not likely to take many carries away from Westbrook and Booker, but he can do a few things that they can not. A red zone option for sure.

Other notes:

-Kevin Kolb was great in the morning practice. He seems to be picking up the offense very well and moving in the pocket much better than A.J. Feeley. His arm looked good and he made a nice play with his feet up the sidelines. Threw very well on the run. Took the snaps with the first unit because McNabb was unavailable.

-The offensive line was nothing to get excited about. Todd Herramens lined up as the LT with Thomas not practicing, and he was of course, nothing special. Neither was LG Scott Young. Winston Justice at RT struggled, which should be familiar. Jerome McDougle routinely blew by him with his quickness and strength.

-Speaking of McDougle, he was another encouraging sign. He played with tremendous energy, did a nice job of using his hands. He was getting snaps with the first unit. Trent Cole was not practicing.

- LJ Smith had the play of the day with a spectacular one handed catch in the back of the endzone against Stewart Bradley. He did a great job of keeping his feet in bounds. Great throw by Kolb as well with excellent velocity.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 12:15 PM
Its funny, any time I've gone Justice looked good at RT. And yes, Booker is going to turn A LOT of heads this year.

Eagles own the NFC East
08-05-2008, 12:33 PM
Definitely Booker. Hes just like Westbrook basically, and he is the ideal fit for our offense. Tony Hunt was only brought in for short yardage situations, and eventually take over Buckhalters role on this team.

cunningham06
08-05-2008, 12:45 PM
With our aging OT's and the CB situation in flux, plus other needs (possibly at S), the Eagles aren't going to take a RB in round 1, even with 2 picks. That means Wells won't be an Eagle in all likelihood. Let's continue to stay on target here. Discuss the topic. If you want to discuss next years' draft, create a thread for it...

At least not in this years draft anyway. We could always wait a couple years until Knowshon declares... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMkZiSt-xw&feature=related

I apologize for the music in the video.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 12:49 PM
Moreno may declare this year, but who really knows, plus, I want Booker to get his chances before we draft a starter at RB.

619
08-05-2008, 12:53 PM
I think you guys are looking way too far ahead now ...

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 01:08 PM
I defintiley agree, but there really isn't much to talk about, but its not like we are dwelling on two drafts form now. I know I'm not anyway;)

bsaza2358
08-05-2008, 01:13 PM
There is nothing wrong with looking ahead. The Eagles have often drafted for the future, so there's nothing wrong there. Still, I think that the team is old with Dawkins at FS and at both OT spots. That is where we will see the focus if the team feels that Dunlap and Justice are not the answers at OT. Otherwise, the team has very few areas where they need to improve. You could always make an argument for a dominant WR or another RB, but even then, there's not a lot of history to suggest that the Eagles will make something happen.

I'm just excited that the Eagles will be major players in the upcoming draft. It is also nice for them to have to make a decision between Hunt and Booker.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 01:19 PM
I think Dunlap has the potential to start, but I won't bank on it. Right now I see that he is a project who I expect to develop into a quality backup LT. We still need a LT, and as of now, the jury is out on Justice at RT, so we will need as many as two OTs in the upcoming drafts and we do need at least one safety, maybe two, if Demps doesn't turn out like it looks like he will right now (He looks to be a very good FS) Best case scenario, we need an LT and a FS, worst case, LT, RT, FS and SS. We do have very little holes, and I am very happy about that.

ThePudge
08-05-2008, 02:05 PM
I think Dunlap has the potential to start, but I won't bank on it. Right now I see that he is a project who I expect to develop into a quality backup LT. We still need a LT, and as of now, the jury is out on Justice at RT, so we will need as many as two OTs in the upcoming drafts and we do need at least one safety, maybe two, if Demps doesn't turn out like it looks like he will right now (He looks to be a very good FS) Best case scenario, we need an LT and a FS, worst case, LT, RT, FS and SS. We do have very little holes, and I am very happy about that.

Dunlap still plays way too high and isn't using his hands properly. With his length and above average athleticism, the potential is there, but he has a lot to learn as he won't be able to get by on physical tools alone in the league. He seems to be a fan favorite though. I would agree to hold off on LT for now unless you're hit with a can't miss prospect such as Andre Smith, Oher, Ciron Black, or Eugene Monroe. Keep an eye on LB, they like the guys they have right now but the unit is largely unproven. If they can score a number one wide receiver that'd obviously be the best case scenario as they're still lacking there.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 02:17 PM
S and LT are the biggest concerns, no doubt, but TE and WR are secondary concerns. The only way we will need a LB is if Chris Cogong sucks it up this year. Besides that, there are very few pressing needs for the Eagles.

eaglesfan_45
08-05-2008, 02:18 PM
OK, Pudge, Linebacker is not a weakness, we only need some depth at SLB. Joe Mays has earned the nickname head-hunter in TC and I half expect him to kill someone on Friday.

Eagles own the NFC East, I've heard a lot people comparing him to Brian Westbrook and I have to disagree. Yes, he's small and quick and catches passes out of the backfield. Those things they have in common, but they really do look different out on the field. For one, Westbrook is a lot stronger. Both are short guys, but Westbrook is noticeably bigger than Booker. He's got bigger arms, bigger legs and runs differently than Booker. Westbrook runs with a lower center of gravity and he's harder to tackle than Booker, whereas Booker probably has a better arsenal of moves than Westbrook and I think has more straight line speed. No one stops and starts better than Brian Westbrook. He accelerates better than any back in football, but I think in a straight up race down the football field Booker would win. Plus, as shifty as Westbrook is Booker seems to be the flashier runner. You'll see more spin moves, and dancing around from Booker. Westbrook's elusiveness from his stutter step, his ability to stop and start, and the fact that he can deliver a stiff arm when needed. I don't think anyone is going to fear Booker's stiff arm.

Also, I think the Eagles have gotten younger nicely. I really think that the younger guys are going to turn some heads this season. Trent Cole is 25 and Gaither is still young. Abiamiri is only going into his second year. Bunkley and Patterson are both still young. Bradley and Gocong are both young as well. I really am starting to have high expectations for Quintin Demps.

DeSean Jackson and Lorenzo Booker are both explosive weapons that will be Eagles for a long time. Kolb is the future at QB and he has been looking really good. The only real problem with aging on the offense is LT because RT has so many suitors (Justice, Andrews, Herramens, McGlynn, Dunlap)

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 02:24 PM
Correction EF 45 its head buster

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Good post there EF 45, one thing I will add too. Booker is great at picking up blitzes. He also runs between the tackles very well, and isn't like Westbrook when he runs, but despite being very different style wise, they can do the same exact things in temrs of how they work in the offense. This young defense does have me amped. The only real question I have for the future on the defense is SS. Most of the offense is there too. Celek may not develop into a great TE, but he is a good one. Taht may need upgrading, as would WR, and LT, but the only question marks on offense are WR and TE. And in all honesty WR isn't big at all.

eaglesfan_45
08-05-2008, 02:29 PM
K, but jeez the Eagles Forum is moving today, this is more action than the whole month of July.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 02:37 PM
haha, yeah I know, I think its because I've had access to the computer at work all day.

ThePudge
08-05-2008, 04:45 PM
OK, Pudge, Linebacker is not a weakness, we only need some depth at SLB. Joe Mays has earned the nickname head-hunter in TC and I half expect him to kill someone on Friday.

Eagles own the NFC East, I've heard a lot people comparing him to Brian Westbrook and I have to disagree. Yes, he's small and quick and catches passes out of the backfield. Those things they have in common, but they really do look different out on the field. For one, Westbrook is a lot stronger. Both are short guys, but Westbrook is noticeably bigger than Booker. He's got bigger arms, bigger legs and runs differently than Booker. Westbrook runs with a lower center of gravity and he's harder to tackle than Booker, whereas Booker probably has a better arsenal of moves than Westbrook and I think has more straight line speed. No one stops and starts better than Brian Westbrook. He accelerates better than any back in football, but I think in a straight up race down the football field Booker would win. Plus, as shifty as Westbrook is Booker seems to be the flashier runner. You'll see more spin moves, and dancing around from Booker. Westbrook's elusiveness from his stutter step, his ability to stop and start, and the fact that he can deliver a stiff arm when needed. I don't think anyone is going to fear Booker's stiff arm.

Also, I think the Eagles have gotten younger nicely. I really think that the younger guys are going to turn some heads this season. Trent Cole is 25 and Gaither is still young. Abiamiri is only going into his second year. Bunkley and Patterson are both still young. Bradley and Gocong are both young as well. I really am starting to have high expectations for Quintin Demps.

DeSean Jackson and Lorenzo Booker are both explosive weapons that will be Eagles for a long time. Kolb is the future at QB and he has been looking really good. The only real problem with aging on the offense is LT because RT has so many suitors (Justice, Andrews, Herramens, McGlynn, Dunlap)

I'm not saying it's a weakness, at least not in the eyes of Philadelphia's organization. It's unlikely they target a LB in next years' draft in the first three rounds or so. However, that is more in part because the team is young there and has shown flashes of promise.

Is there a star in that LB unit? No, probably not. At best they'll have three solid performers it seems. Gaither is a 3rd year player and is their most experienced starting Linebacker. Despite promise shown here and there, Linebacker still should be a position of concern for Eagles fans. The unit is extremely young and rather thin. To me, the linebackers are probably the team's biggest question entering the season, not because of talent but because of inexperience.

As for WR, it may not be as pressing a need as some will have you believe. The passing game will not suffer without a true #1 wideout. The Eagles' west coast offense that spreads teams out and utilizes backs and tight ends as receivers. They'll get by. However, even though the passing game should be solid as usual, we've seen what a #1 can do in Philadelphia. Terrell Owens took the team to a new level, even Stallworth stretched the field and looked great in Eagle green. If the team can swing a deal involving one of their two first round picks and perhaps Hank Baskett or Jason Avant, perhaps with Arizona for Anquan Boldin, I think they are a legitimate contender.

With Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown the team has two solid #2 receivers. With Hank Baskett and Jason Avant they have two solid #3 receivers. DeSean Jackson is also unlikely to become any more than a #3 receiver and tremendous special teams performer. As I implied before, wide receiver isn't necessarily a need, but a #1 WR could take this Eagles offense to the next level.

No argument with the Booker/Westbrook analysis. They should complement eachother pretty well and improve the team. Booker's progress is evident and his role in the offense/special teams may be greater than most think. Kolb also looked terrific as I noted earlier. Also, I'd have to agree with LT and S as the teams greatest needs as far as the draft goes. They don't have a proven backup option at RT yet though so I wouldn't simply brush that off and say someone can do it.

eaglesalltheway
08-05-2008, 08:30 PM
Pudge, I agree with pretty much all of that post, but I will say this, Stewart Bradley does have the potential to be a star, he is everytwhere making plays all the time. DeSean could develop into a #2, but besides that, the rest of the post makes sense to me. Also yes our backups are also young and unproven, but Ahkeem Jordan is not someone to sleep on, and neither is Joe Mays, both are very promising young LBs. Our really weak spot at the LBs is our backup SAM spot. I truly don't know if Boiman is the guy, he has done nothing to impress anyone in camp so far.

ThePudge
08-05-2008, 11:30 PM
Pudge, I agree with pretty much all of that post, but I will say this, Stewart Bradley does have the potential to be a star, he is everytwhere making plays all the time. DeSean could develop into a #2, but besides that, the rest of the post makes sense to me. Also yes our backups are also young and unproven, but Ahkeem Jordan is not someone to sleep on, and neither is Joe Mays, both are very promising young LBs. Our really weak spot at the LBs is our backup SAM spot. I truly don't know if Boiman is the guy, he has done nothing to impress anyone in camp so far.

Bradley looks good, I'll give you that. He is beginning to look the part of a defensive leader more and more every day. I still am not sure if he'll ever attain star status and in a way I doubt it. This is, of course, not a bad thing or an insult to Bradley at all. I like Stewart Bradley and think he has a chance to be a big surprise player in the NFC East and have a very long, solid career. Though however confident we both are, you have to think of this fairly cautiously, he's still a first year starting middle linebacker in a fairly complex attacking defense. For now we'll have simply sit by and hope he lives up to expectations, but there a no guarantees.

I would agree that DeSean has the talent to develop into a solid #2, but I think he is both at best as a 3, and more likely to top off as a #3 receiver. I'm not calling Jackson a bust or a wasted pick, he's going to give to the coverage teams what Reno Mahe simply couldn't: fear, caution. A player like Jackson doesn't need to be featured on offense to make his presence felt. See Devin Hester, awful receiver, but his presence opens up so much for the offense whether it be the inside run or taking pressure off of other receiver/the quarterback just because of the fear of a gamebreaking play. My point is, even though I don't think DeSean Jackson will ever develop into a true #1 or #2, his presence will be felt regardless and he should turn into a hell of a threat as the 3rd receiving option.

eaglesalltheway
08-06-2008, 06:22 AM
I agree that yu have to be cautious when you make the type of statements I said when Bradley would be an urlacher-type MLB, but that is how much confidence I have in him beinga great player. I rarely say that a player who hasn't started a season will go to Pro-Bowls, or have any type of major success, but Bradley is one of the few who I have. I normally don't go making outlandish statements unless I feel as though my statements has a very good chance of becoming true. I don't want to make myself look like another sutpid, homerific poster, but Bradley is definitely a case where i can say with a good deal of confidence that he will develop into a star at MLB.

I think best case scenario for DeSean would be to consistently have seasons just under what Wes Welker had last year, and i do agree that he could develop into either a #2 or #3, and would be successful at both, but he has shown all of the skills needed to be a productive WR in this system, and most importantly, he is smart. The coaches are loving how he is picking up the playbook and the nuances of the game. I expect him to turn into a #2 though, one who will get about 50-55 catches for about 700-750 yards and handful of receiving TDs per season. I also think he will have multiple return TDs per season as well. ***Important*** This is not what I expect out of him now, or even in the next three years, but with his continued work with Jerry Rice, and the team, he defintiley can develop into a solid #2 WR.

Sniper
08-06-2008, 07:14 AM
Eat a cheeseburger DeSean!

eaglesalltheway
08-06-2008, 02:55 PM
And lift weights at every opportunity. Muscle helps out much more than fat, you should know that Sniper ;).

renegade
10-25-2008, 08:37 PM
Well now after we're just about 1/2 way through the season I think the awnser is quite clear. Neither.

Hunt was cut for a 3rd string LB and Booker has sucked.

Solution: The Draft.

eaglesalltheway
10-26-2008, 09:09 AM
Booker hasn't performed to expectations yet, not anywhere near that unfortunately, but lets not forget this is the first year in this system for him and he is still basically a rookie. I think RB is a possibility in the draft, but i won't say we should go looking for one early just yet. If we give him some more time maybe he will begin to show us what he can do. He really turned it on later in the year for Miami if I remember correctly, maybe he will do the same once he is more familiar and comfortable with the offensive system. One thing though, if Bucky leaves in FA, we will most definitely be picking a RB in the first four rounds IMO.

renegade
10-26-2008, 11:56 AM
^^^
Booker doesn't have patience and he doesn't have good vision. I've seen him run into blockers, try to bounce runs outside when there is no need and he dances alot. He can't block either as we saw in the Bears game.

Booker IMO should try to make the move to WR, he has decent size at 5'11" and 190+ pounds. He has blazing speed and could burn alot of people. To me it just seems like he is meant to be a Percy Harvin type player, not a full time RB.

eaglesalltheway
10-26-2008, 06:36 PM
^^^
Booker doesn't have patience and he doesn't have good vision. I've seen him run into blockers, try to bounce runs outside when there is no need and he dances alot. He can't block either as we saw in the Bears game.

Booker IMO should try to make the move to WR, he has decent size at 5'11" and 190+ pounds. He has blazing speed and could burn alot of people. To me it just seems like he is meant to be a Percy Harvin type player, not a full time RB.

I guess I'm more patient than you than. Thats your opinion and you may be right, but personally, and almost all the posters here will back me up on this, I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt, or second chance. I've done it with Considine, Gocong and LJ Smith. I want a bigger sample size to better understand it. It may be a fault of mine. More opportunities won't hurt especially if it turns out he is still hesitant with the system and is getting his bearings. The reason why I like to wait a little longer is because of risk/reward. There is a chance that he could be our future RB, or at least be a heavy contributor to our offense. There is also the chance that he will completely flop. If he does flop, another year with him as our 2nd or thrid RB is not really a big deal IMO. But if he develppes into a potential starter for the future, than the reward is much greater, which makes it worth holding on to him a little longer. It is a case of "only time will tell" but i won't count him out yet, he is too intelligent and has too much talent to not give another opportunity. Personally, I think he could be like Leon Washington is for the Jets, and if we stick with him, I say that is a fair trade for a 4th round pick. Just my opinion. I completely understand why you feel the way you do, I am just conveying my feelings on the situation and giving you the logic that I have.