Skins acquire Jason Taylor

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3497248

Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was) defensive end Phillip Daniels (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3634) suffered an injury Sunday to his anterior cruciate knee ligament, according to a source, a potentially season-ending injury that could lead to Jason Taylor (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3968) coming to Washington.

Following the morning practice, the Redskins started working on trade discussions to replace him. According to another source, talks are underway with the Miami Dolphins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia) for Taylor, who started the offseason by asking to go to a contending team.

[703SKINS202]

Man I hope this goes down for something like a 3rd with the ability to be upgraded to a 2nd based on performance. Snyder, SLOW DOWN, don't regress back to your old ways of overpaying for old talent, you've been doing good the past couple years.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Damn initial reports were just a hyper extension. So basically for DE's that leaves us in crap. Andre Carter you don't worry about on one side because he is a pro bowl performer but outside of him you have Demetric Evans who is solid but a backup. Chris Wilson is a good pass rusher but gets eaten on the run, and Erasumus James is still on the injury list. If we can get JT cheap, I mean 3rd-4th round cheap, than fine, but I'm not panicking and giving up my house for him.

[619]

Before the draft the Dolphins were looking for a first rounder in return. Now his value currently streches anywhere from a 2nd-3rd depending on who you ask.

Taylor can remain an impact player on any defense and the Skins should certainly look very hard into the matter as I believe is the case. The defense was very thin at the position to begin with in my opinion and it goes without saying that an addition of this magnitude could serve as the catalyst needed to propel this team further into the upper echelon of the NFC.

[BeerBaron]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/smoot-gets-hurt-too/
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/another-defensive-end-goes-down-for-the-skins/

wow....what a miserable day for the redskins defense......can Taylor play CB too?

[703SKINS202]

......F!!!

[Malaka]

That would be excellent for the Skins' because they seem to lack a good pass-rush, if they had Jason Taylor lining up at DE that would be an excellent addition to their defense.

The Skins already have a great LB corp. so with the help of Jason Taylor they could easily be playoff contenders once again.

[Vikings4ever]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/smoot-gets-hurt-too/
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/another-defensive-end-goes-down-for-the-skins/

wow....what a miserable day for the redskins defense......can Taylor play CB too?
From rotoworld:
Redskins DE Alex Buzbee will miss the 2008 season after rupturing his Achilles' tendon on the first day of training camp Sunday.
Unbelievable. The Skins couldn't have dreamt up worse luck, losing starting LE Phillip Daniels and now promising Buzbee, who was to compete for nickel rushing duties. Erasmus James (knee) is also hurt, so Washington is going to have to make some additions. A Redskins official denied the team is pursuing Jason Taylor, but expect a strong push to be made this week. Jul. 20 - 5:01 pm et

[BeerBaron]

From rotoworld:

wow....what a mess they have with their DE situation. Bet they wish they would have actually gone that way in the draft now insteading of taking 2 WR's and a TE in the 2nd round........

[Gay Ork Wang]

well how about we trade them Dan Bazuin for a 2-3 rounder? :DD

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I thought Taylor would wanna go to a SB caliber team.

[BeerBaron]

well how about we trade them Dan Bazuin for a 2-3 rounder? :DD

hey, at least we stopped the streak of "WTF??!!??! SRSLY!!!?!?!" 2nd round picks from small schools this year.....I think we all had about enough of that, lol

they probably wouldn't give that high of a pick to us for him anyway now.......

[Splat]

I thought Taylor would wanna go to a SB caliber team.

He wanted to go to a playoff team once you get there any thing can happen I don't really think the Skins are a SB caliber team but I thought the same thing about the G-Men.

[MetSox17]

Taylor, who started the offseason by asking to go to a contending team.

Lol, if he thinks the Redskins are a contending team.. ;)

All seriousness aside, i hope the Dolphins rob the 'Skins of a second round pick or so. They're used to giving those away, so i'll really have a kick if they give up that good of a pick for a one year rental.

[Vikings4ever]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8362550/Redskins-agree-to-terms-on-deal-for-Taylor

Not official yet, but it looks like a 2nd rounder for Taylor.

[LonghornsLegend]

FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer reports that the Dolphins have agreed to send DE Jason Taylor to the Redskins in exchange for a 2009 second-round draft choice.


Great deal for the Dolphins...Skins should of probably targeted a DE in the draft over a TE that early, the WR's were fine but TE was more surprising with the pass rushing DE's available.

[T-RICH49]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8362550/Redskins-agree-to-terms-on-deal-for-Taylor

Not official yet, but it looks like a 2nd rounder for Taylor.

wow that was fast

[703SKINS202]

For those who don't think the skins are a contending team, you're wrong. We went through so many injuries and adversities last year, I mean Sean Taylor was murdered in the middle of the season and somehow this team dug down deep and made it into the playoffs. We also put up a good fight in Seattle almost winning in one of the toughest stadiums to play in the entire NFL. People hate on the skins for Snyder I guess but if you truly follow the NFL the Skins are a playoff caliber team and that alone makes you a SB contender.

[Gay Ork Wang]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3497625

2nd rounder 2009 and 6th rounder 2010

[703SKINS202]

Damn right in the middle of my post the news breaks. I'm kind of mad they jumped the gun this early a 2nd round draft pick is a lot to give up especially since they don't know Taylors intentions for the future. O well we really need him I'll take a DPOY who still has it.

[draftguru151]

Well we got the 2nd rounder. Next year is going to be awful to watch.

[Gay Ork Wang]

For those who don't think the skins are a contending team, you're wrong. We went through so many injuries and adversities last year, I mean Sean Taylor was murdered in the middle of the season and somehow this team dug down deep and made it into the playoffs. We also put up a good fight in Seattle almost winning in one of the toughest stadiums to play in the entire NFL. People hate on the skins for Snyder I guess but if you truly follow the NFL the Skins are a playoff caliber team and that alone makes you a SB contender.
It is hard though to be considered a playoff contender if ur not even the 2nd best team in ur own division...

[703SKINS202]

It is hard though to be considered a playoff contender if ur not even the 2nd best team in ur own division...

True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.

[Gay Ork Wang]

i do not, but to say they are a clearcut Playoff contender is wrong. And Playoff Contenders are not the same as SB contenders, at least not in predictions

[703SKINS202]

i do not, but to say they are a clearcut Playoff contender is wrong. And Playoff Contenders are not the same as SB contenders, at least not in predictions

I never said they were a clearcut playoff contender but that they are a playoff caliber team. Playoff contenders aren't the same as SB contenders in predictions you're right, but what good is that? Giants won the superbowl they weren't superbowl contenders in the predictions but they still got their rings.

[Malaka]

The Redskins with Jason Taylor have a great shot at making the playoffs, Taylor can give that D that much needed pass rush they were lacking. I love this move for both teams, the fins' rid themselves of a player who doesn't want to be there anymore and the Redskins add a very good piece to there already good defense.

[Geo]

Weird how a big blow turned into a much bigger gain in one day.

Taylor is worth a 2nd and a 6th imo.

[MetSox17]

For those who don't think the skins are a contending team, you're wrong. We went through so many injuries and adversities last year, I mean Sean Taylor was murdered in the middle of the season and somehow this team dug down deep and made it into the playoffs. We also put up a good fight in Seattle almost winning in one of the toughest stadiums to play in the entire NFL. People hate on the skins for Snyder I guess but if you truly follow the NFL the Skins are a playoff caliber team and that alone makes you a SB contender.

For those that think the Skins are not a contending team (me, a lot of others), you're right! The Skins have a ton of weapons at the WR position now, thanks to the draft (skins fans didn't know what the draft was prior to this year) but hey, guess what, you still need someone to get them the ball!

People that assume others are hating just because of ownership are being a tad bit homerish. No one respects your team because you don't have a quarterback. Because you have little to no pass rush. This should improve your team, but no one respects them because you give up picks for James Thrash, and sign Brandon Lloyd (and give up a 3rd AND 4th round pick in the process) and Adam Archuleta to big bonuses.

They're not a Superbowl contender, because it'll be very hard for them to even make the playoffs. The Cowboys and Giants still own the NFC East, and the Eagles at this point, are probably a better team than Washington.

[Geo]

I picked the Redskins to make the playoffs last summer, but I don't think they get back in this year. Although adding Taylor is a big deal to help their pass rush and overall defense.

But the offense under Zorn is going to need time to be installed and executed, the future is bright though with Devin Thomas and others joining the team. Of course there's the major addition of Gibbs gone and Zorn taking over.

[KCJ58]

Wow the Redskins give up two draft picks for Taylor!

[703SKINS202]

For those that think the Skins are not a contending team (me, a lot of others), you're right! The Skins have a ton of weapons at the WR position now, thanks to the draft (skins fans didn't know what the draft was prior to this year) but hey, guess what, you still need someone to get them the ball!

People that assume others are hating just because of ownership are being a tad bit homerish. No one respects your team because you don't have a quarterback. Because you have little to no pass rush. This should improve your team, but no one respects them because you give up picks for James Thrash, and sign Brandon Lloyd (and give up a 3rd AND 4th round pick in the process) and Adam Archuleta to big bonuses.

They're not a Superbowl contender, because it'll be very hard for them to even make the playoffs. The Cowboys and Giants still own the NFC East, and the Eagles at this point, are probably a better team than Washington.

Of course we have flaws but so does your team but hey, I love the skins hate keep it coming.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

It will be interesting to see how that Washington run defense holds up. They were damn impressive last season, but with Carter and Taylor on the edges they are most certainly a bit undersized.

[Malaka]

It will be interesting to see how that Washington run defense holds up. They were damn impressive last season, but with Carter and Taylor on the edges they are most certainly a bit undersized.

Taylor will be able to hold his own, because even though he played mostly OLB in the Dolphins 3-4 system he lined up at DE occasionally and did fine, I wouldn't worry about Taylor's side, because he definitely can be a run stopper in a 4-3 but Carter is a different story.

[GB12]

For those that think the Skins are not a contending team (me, a lot of others), you're right! The Skins have a ton of weapons at the WR position now, thanks to the draft (skins fans didn't know what the draft was prior to this year) but hey, guess what, you still need someone to get them the ball!
And that's why we'll be hearing a bunch of crap from ESPN about Favre to the Redskins all this week. Yay! :rolleyes:

[Don Vito]

Glad to get him out of the AFC East finally, the Phins are really in an all out overhaul. I honestly think this trade will benefit both teams, the Skins needed immediate help at end and Miami is rebuilding.

[princefielder28]

For those that think the Skins are not a contending team (me, a lot of others), you're right! The Skins have a ton of weapons at the WR position now, thanks to the draft (skins fans didn't know what the draft was prior to this year) but hey, guess what, you still need someone to get them the ball!

People that assume others are hating just because of ownership are being a tad bit homerish. No one respects your team because you don't have a quarterback. Because you have little to no pass rush. This should improve your team, but no one respects them because you give up picks for James Thrash, and sign Brandon Lloyd (and give up a 3rd AND 4th round pick in the process) and Adam Archuleta to big bonuses.

They're not a Superbowl contender, because it'll be very hard for them to even make the playoffs. The Cowboys and Giants still own the NFC East, and the Eagles at this point, are probably a better team than Washington.

The Redskins will make the playoffs this year and with the addition of Zorn Jason Campbell will be able to tap into his potential on a more consistent basis and lead the offense to great things.

[Malaka]

And that's why we'll be hearing a bunch of crap from ESPN about Favre to the Redskins all this week. Yay! :rolleyes:

lol I hear you on that, I guess I'll just watch comedy central for the next two weeks.

[thebow305]

I like that we got a 2nd rounder for him, that seems to be a steal at this point, but I am very sad to see him go. :(

Losing both Zach and Jason in the same offseason is very tough.

Nevertheless, Thanks for all the memories Jason!

[BeerBaron]

wow....i just realized. The last strand connecting the Dolphins to Marino left today. No more players on their roster played with him.......kind of makes me sad.

[thebow305]

wow....i just realized. The last strand connecting the Dolphins to Marino left today. No more players on their roster played with him.......kind of makes me sad.

Me too! :(

[Bosanac01]

Miami got ****** but not nearly as bad as ATL did for d-hall.

[BeerBaron]

Miami got ****** but not nearly as bad as ATL did for d-hall.

I don't think anyone was really going to offer them more than a 2nd rounder for a 1 year lease on an aging player. Losing 2 DE's for the season put Washington in the spot where they needed to do it....

[Malaka]

I like that we got a 2nd rounder for him, that seems to be a steal at this point, but I am very sad to see him go. :(

Losing both Zach and Jason in the same offseason is very tough.

Nevertheless, Thanks for all the memories Jason!

I don't think anyone was really going to offer them more than a 2nd rounder for a 1 year lease on an aging player. Losing 2 DE's for the season put Washington in the spot where they needed to do it....

I know he said he was going to retire after next season, but I don't completely believe him. If he stayed on the Fins' I'd believe it but if the Redskins make the playoffs and make progress in the next offseason, I really believe Taylor would stay maybe a year or two longer. Now if the Redskins finish last in the NFC East which is possible seeing as it is a tough division, then I could see him retiring after next season. I do not believe the Fins' got screwed a 2nd and a 6th is a good amount for someone who is 34, they need to rebuild and Taylor was not helping the rebuilding process, this trade benefits both sides. The ATL trade was different, DeAngelo was young and still had a lot of potential so they did get screwed over in that trade.

[MetSox17]

The Redskins will make the playoffs this year and with the addition of Zorn Jason Campbell will be able to tap into his potential on a more consistent basis and lead the offense to great things.

That's quite a statement to make, seeing as it's all wishful thinking. What exactly has Jason Campbell shown to make you feel that he's gonna "tap into his potential"?

People were making arguments on how he shouldn't even be playing ahead of Todd freakin' Collins, how in the world is he gonna lead a team, with deficiencies and question marks across the board, to the playoffs? They're arguably the worst team in their division, i feel there's little to no chance they make the playoffs.

[Bosanac01]

aaaaaa the fiiinsssszzz arent in need of a jason taylor, so taking what they could get is good enough.

[princefielder28]

That's quite a statement to make, seeing as it's all wishful thinking. What exactly has Jason Campbell shown to make you feel that he's gonna "tap into his potential"?

People were making arguments on how he shouldn't even be playing ahead of Todd freakin' Collins, how in the world is he gonna lead a team, with deficiencies and question marks across the board, to the playoffs? They're arguably the worst team in their division, i feel there's little to no chance they make the playoffs.

When the Skins played the Packers last year at Lambeau, Campbell played very well, but unfortunately Santana Moss and others forgot to bring their hands otherwise the Packers would have lost. He throws a fairly decent ball and he provides mobility at the position as well. The main key for him will be Clinton Portis; if Portis can stay healthy and produce it'll create alot more one on one matchups on the outside and Campbell can go to work.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Well we got the 2nd rounder. Next year is going to be awful to watch.
At least you have Parcells though.

[Menardo75]

This is a great deal for the Skins no matter what happened to their DE's Taylor is a major upgrade

[Splat]

Wow that didn't take long I thought some thing might go down with in the next few days but didn't think it would happen that fast.

[MetSox17]

When the Skins played the Packers last year at Lambeau, Campbell played very well, but unfortunately Santana Moss and others forgot to bring their hands otherwise the Packers would have lost. He throws a fairly decent ball and he provides mobility at the position as well. The main key for him will be Clinton Portis; if Portis can stay healthy and produce it'll create alot more one on one matchups on the outside and Campbell can go to work.

At the end of the day, he's still a career 77.6 rating guy. He does provide a nicer arm and better mobility over Todd Collins, but his talent has never been what's in question. Who knows where he's at in his noodle, and it's a bit of a reach to just assume he's gonna snap out of his average play, just out of the blue. He has a new coach and new offense to get accustomed to, and from what i know, that only hinders your development, not improve. He has some nice weapons to play with, but he's just not that great a quarterback.

Their defense was ranked 16th against the pass last year, and i don't exactly see that improving, honestly. Their offense doesn't scare me a whole lot.. I don't see why teams can't keep them from scoring more than the 19 they were allowing per game last year.

[Number 10]

Skins still don't get it.

Plain and simple.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.

[Rjspartan]

i think the redskins got a great deal!

[buckeyes4ever]

True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.

I agree, I wouldn't call them a bad team, simply a misfortunate team they have suffered through a lot of loses since the whole Sean Taylor incident and they exceeded my expectations last year and it is unfortunate to here about all these injuries, I think that they did what they needed to do to patch it up and may the edition of Taylor makes there already good D a solid force now. You have Andre Carter on one side and Taylor on the other with a solid LB corps, although 2nd round pick was a little hefty

[SeanTaylorRIP]

No matter how much I like Jason Taylor I don't think I'll ever be able to wear a Redskins jersey with Taylor on the back that isn't #21 or 36.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.


If I'm not mistaken though, it will be interesting to see how they play this. Both Carter and Taylor are more of RDE or weakside guys... atleast that's what I though. If so, it's a totally different ballgame as a strongside end and weakside.

[Number 10]

Jason Taylor and Andre Carter is a guaranteed 20 sacks between them.

What is the guarantee on how many extra rushing yards they give up both being on the field?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

What is the guarantee on how many extra rushing yards they give up both being on the field?

London Fletcher swallows all.

[scottyboy]

yea, now they're pass rush is nasty now, but what about the run D? not all that good realisticly. This is an average team that would be good in another division, but right now is at best 3rd in the division.

And don't give me the disrespect card for the skins, the Giants made the playoffs 3 years in a row, still got no respect. And despite winning the super bowl still don't have any. The Skins(and mainly Campbell) need to prove something and win consistantly. It's not even like they're all that young a team like the Giants and the don't exactly value the draft all too much

[skinzzfan25]

London Fletcher swallows all.

Along with Anthony Montgomery.

[draftguru151]

Since when is Jason Taylor not good against the run?

[CJSchneider]

IMO the Skins made a great trade. Remember all the talk initially by the Dolphins that they would only take a first rounder.

[703SKINS202]

If he retires after this year then I think it was a bad deal unless we win the superbowl. If he stays for 2-3, I will welcome this deal because he is worth a 2nd and a 6th and when the skins do have a first rounder they love to trade back. Im thinking they front office thinks this move can put us back in the playoffs which would give us a late first and the redskins love to trade back in the draft when they don't have a high pick or don't see real value in the first so I'm thinking we might be able to get that 2nd back. Good deal for both teams.

[skinzzfan25]

He's already came out and told Zorn/Ceratto that he would remain in DC for at least the last two years of his contract.

Hopefully he sticks to his word.

[703SKINS202]

He's already came out and told Zorn/Ceratto that he would remain in DC for at least the last two years of his contract.

Hopefully he sticks to his word.

Hey do you know what picks we have in the 09 draft after this?

[skinzzfan25]

Hey do you know what picks we have in the 09 draft after this?

I believe we have...

1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.

[703SKINS202]

I believe we have...

1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.

I heard Clayton say we still will have 7 so Im wondering where that extra one comes from, he could be wrong though.

[WMD]

I believe we have...

1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

But for some reason I feel like we don't have a 6th or 7th this year, I'll have to check on that.

They'll trade their 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th to the Lions for Roy Williams.

[skinzzfan25]

They'll trade their 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th to the Lions for Roy Williams.

And you'll spend every last one of those picks on WRs.

EDIT: No 4th in 09 due to the clause in the Kendall trade.

[Geo]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Giants fans are trying to paint the Taylor acquisition in a bad light by pointing to the run defense. Give me a break, are you kiddding me?

Washington's run defense last season was third in the league in average yards per carry (3.7) and fourth in yards per game (91.2). Meanwhile the lackluster pass rush from the front four has been a weakness for the last few years, even with the free agent acquisition of Andre Carter two offseasons ago.

Also glad to see someone mentioned defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, a 2006 5th round pick who has turned into a gem for them in the interior line. He was the team's best lineman against the run last year, and only Carter made more stops and defeats as per Football Outsiders' play charting.

[BlindSite]

Landon Fletcher is an undersized MLB, Taylor is 255 at most and Carter is only small, not a huge upgrade against the run.

[Iamcanadian]

True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.

I think Redskin fans are in for a shock, they are underestimating the loss of Joe Gibbs as their HC. He kept the games close and as a result they won a few more than maybe any other HC could have done. I think reality will set in this coming season and a playoff contender they won't be. I don't think there is anything that is clear about the Redskins until their new HC proves he can get the job done.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Giants fans are trying to paint the Taylor acquisition in a bad light by pointing to the run defense. Give me a break, are you kiddding me?

And yet, 2008 is here and it is not 2007.

The Redskins lost one of their base ends to New York (Renaldo Wynn) and just lost their other one to a potentially season ending ACL injury. They're replacing both of them with a 33 year old pass rushing specialist who may be forced to play more snaps that he should for lack of depth.

The Redskins were awesome last year against the run. On paper, they look far weaker this year. There is reason for concern.

[Gatz]

Since when is Jason Taylor not good against the run?Thank you. Despite what his frame would suggest, Taylor is one of the most complete ends in the league and ranks among the top, even at this age. He is not a designated run stuffer but is good against it.
He should free up Carter to get a lot of sacks if the opposing team decide to double him(which they will do) due to his abilities.

[LonghornsLegend]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Dolphins run the 4-3 defense not that long ago? What year was that and how did Taylor fare playing with his hands down that entire year? I can't recall how many years they have been using the 3-4 and I was curious in what JT seems to play better in.

[Geo]

And yet, 2008 is here and it is not 2007.
Parcells' 06 Cowboys stumbled badly down the stretch as they were unable to generate a pass rush. The Giants won the Super Bowl championship last year thanks mainly to their pass rush and Eli converting third downs through the air. The Eagles in recent years haven't been able to generate the same amount of turnovers they used to as they haven't played a worthwhile pass-rusher outside of Trent Cole - good thing they finally dumped Javon Kearse, Jerome McDougle and Darren Howard are deserving of being cut too if there was only enough quality depth present. But Howard is signed to a big contract (ouch), so the Eagles are moving him inside to tackle for the time being, until he is inevitably cut sooner rather than later.

I don't dig aping convenient ignorance of the importance of the pass rush in this division, especially when it comes from a fan of any team in the division and this acquisition is of a skilled veteran who is still disruptive in Jason Taylor.

The Redskins lost one of their base ends to New York (Renaldo Wynn) and just lost their other one to a potentially season ending ACL injury. They're replacing both of them with a 33 year old pass rushing specialist who may be forced to play more snaps that he should for lack of depth.
Renaldo Wynn was with the Saints last year, actually. And whatever deficiency in run defense there is, it is overlapped times over by the gain in pass rush.

[D-Unit]

Great acquisition for the Redskins who are starting to turn the corner. Was pissed to see him land there to be honest. Only makes the NFC East that much tougher. Gonna be fun to watch Zach Thomas on the Cowboys and Jason Taylor on the Redskins go at it this season.

Shoot. After drafting Colt Brennan this trade for Taylor is just like a cherry on top!

[Turtlepower]

As was mentioned before, if Taylor stays for 2-3 years, then this is a good trade. If he is only in DC for 1 year, then it wasn't worth the draft picks.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Renaldo Wynn was with the Saints last year, actually. And whatever deficiency in run defense there is, it is overlapped times over by the gain in pass rush.

Right you are, my mistake.

Parcells' 06 Cowboys stumbled badly down the stretch as they were unable to generate a pass rush. The Giants won the Super Bowl championship last year thanks mainly to their pass rush and Eli converting third downs through the air. The Eagles in recent years haven't been able to generate the same amount of turnovers they used to as they haven't played a worthwhile pass-rusher outside of Trent Cole - good thing they finally dumped Javon Kearse, Jerome McDougle and Darren Howard are deserving of being cut too if there was only enough quality depth present. But Howard is signed to a big contract (ouch), so the Eagles are moving him inside to tackle for the time being, until he is inevitably cut sooner rather than later.

I don't dig aping convenient ignorance of the importance of the pass rush in this division, especially when it comes from a fan of any team in the division and this acquisition is of a skilled veteran who is still disruptive in Jason Taylor.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make. Of course pass rush is important, I never said otherwise. In fact, I never even said the trade was a poor one (although I think a 2nd rounder holds more value to a team like the Redskins).

However, using the theory that since the Redskins were awesome against the run in 2007, they will continue to be even if they change their personnel at some fairly important positions is pretty unstable territory. There's definitely reason to think that the run defense will fall off a bit, something that doesn't bode well for a team that may not have much of a shot at the playoffs anyway.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Who is the best player on the dolphins now? Its gonna be incredibly hard to watch

[MetSox17]

Jason Taylor wasn't the best player on the Dolphins last year, so their guy is still there. Ronnie Brown is a hell of a player, so if he can stay healthy he should be producing at a Top-3-AFC level, again. For his sake, i hope they can get the quarterback situation settled in Training Camp, to avoid a Minnesota Vikings situation where your running game is killed thanks to your lack of a productive passing game. Ginn and Hagan should be a little more polished so they won't be COMPLETELY horrible on offense.. horrible nonetheless, though.

Good luck on defense.

[Gay Ork Wang]

I meant best player on defense

[MetSox17]

Makes sense.

With little to no help around him, i wouldn't be surprised to see Channing Crowder put up some big numbers.

[BlindSite]

Parcells' 06 Cowboys stumbled badly down the stretch as they were unable to generate a pass rush. The Giants won the Super Bowl championship last year thanks mainly to their pass rush and Eli converting third downs through the air. The Eagles in recent years haven't been able to generate the same amount of turnovers they used to as they haven't played a worthwhile pass-rusher outside of Trent Cole - good thing they finally dumped Javon Kearse, Jerome McDougle and Darren Howard are deserving of being cut too if there was only enough quality depth present. But Howard is signed to a big contract (ouch), so the Eagles are moving him inside to tackle for the time being, until he is inevitably cut sooner rather than later.

I don't dig aping convenient ignorance of the importance of the pass rush in this division, especially when it comes from a fan of any team in the division and this acquisition is of a skilled veteran who is still disruptive in Jason Taylor.


Renaldo Wynn was with the Saints last year, actually. And whatever deficiency in run defense there is, it is overlapped times over by the gain in pass rush.


Having a good pass rush can only make up for weak run defense if your team is an offensive power house forcing the other team into shoot outs to make up points.

If you've got a team built on running the ball, like the redskins are going to be with a new system and an inexperienced QB they need to be able to grind out games with three and outs. Poor run defense won't get them that.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I hate hearing all this junk about the Skins being a weak run defense. We were 3rd against the run last year, we are the same team that held the Cowboys to 1 total rushing yard the entire game week 16 or so last year. Phillip Daniels was hurt last year too, Demetric Evans played a huge role in our run defense as our base DE and he is still here. He will probably be playing many run downs while giving Taylor a breather for pass rush downs. Andre Carter is a very underrated run stopper. True at times he can be pushed out of position by mammoth OT's, but it doesn't happen often and his motor is incredible. Last year our run defense did this all with Cornelius Griffin gone, but now he's back and Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston and even Lorenzo Alexander are aboslute run stoppers, with Golston also having great pass rush ability. And now all of a sudden after 11 years London Fletcher is too small to play against the run?lol. If anything I would be more worried about our pass coverage but Taylor will definitely help with that. As well as pass rush specialist Chris Wilson who performed well last year, and hopefully Erasumus James can do something. Our pass defense did solid last year despite losing Sean Taylor, losing Carlos Rogers for most of the year, and losing Shawn Springs. This year Rogers should be back, Springs is back and looking good, Smoot looked more like his former self last year, and Landry should only be better. Rocky McIntosh should be back, but HB Blades is ready to be a starter if need be. Marcus Washington should also be back after missing most of last year. People don't realize how truly impressive the skins defense was last year to still be top 10 in the league despite losing 4 starters for the season early, and another 4-5 starters who missed 5+ games, not to mention the passing of Sean Taylor. I know any team can lay claim that their team was affected the most by injuries, but the Skins I think have to be up there, they made the playoffs, despite 13 of their 24 starters missing at least 3 games, with 7 of them missing 8+ games.

[bigbluedefense]

Great trade for Taylor, but im somewhat confused.

Are they planning on putting Taylor on the strongside at LE? That would be a big mistake. Taylor is a stoute run defender as a RE, but LE is a whole different ball game. 245 lbs isn't gonna cut it on the strong side.


So while I question what impact this will have on their run defense, their pass rush on 3rd downs has increased significantly with this move. So its a catch 22, as of right now its great in one way but Id be skeptical in another.


Regardless, the NFC East gets even stronger. Im getting tired of all these good players going to my division rivals.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Great trade for Taylor, but im somewhat confused.

Are they planning on putting Taylor on the strongside at LE? That would be a big mistake. Taylor is a stoute run defender as a RE, but LE is a whole different ball game. 245 lbs isn't gonna cut it on the strong side.


So while I question what impact this will have on their run defense, their pass rush on 3rd downs has increased significantly with this move. So its a catch 22, as of right now its great in one way but Id be skeptical in another.


Regardless, the NFC East gets even stronger. Im getting tired of all these good players going to my division rivals.


That's what I asked as well. He's going to be having to deal with 2 blockers a lot more often, and the bulk you look for in a LE isn't there.

[Bigburt63]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Dolphins run the 4-3 defense not that long ago? What year was that and how did Taylor fare playing with his hands down that entire year? I can't recall how many years they have been using the 3-4 and I was curious in what JT seems to play better in.

I believe the majority of his career has been spent playing as a DE in a 4-3, and he has only played in the 3-4 recently.

[McBain]

ITT - We see jealous giants fans bash a solid acquisition with old cliches and unfounded knocks on JT.


great pickup... would have been better for a third but a second isn't terrible.

[bigbluedefense]

ITT - We see jealous giants fans bash a solid acquisition with old cliches and unfounded knocks on JT.


great pickup... would have been better for a third but a second isn't terrible.

why would we be jealous?

and questioning his ability to stop the run on the strongside is not that outrageous, its a very valid point.

but like i said, its still an upgrade and now you can do more of those 4 man rushes that your DC wants to do. if you didn't get a pass rusher, your defense would be really bad this year. now it can still be top 10 caliber if Taylor can hold the fort against the run.

[McBain]

why would we be jealous?

and questioning his ability to stop the run on the strongside is not that outrageous, its a very valid point.

but like i said, its still an upgrade and now you can do more of those 4 man rushes that your DC wants to do. if you didn't get a pass rusher, your defense would be really bad this year. now it can still be top 10 caliber if Taylor can hold the fort against the run.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jealous

feeling resentment against someone because of that person's rivalry, success, or advantages (often fol. by of): He was jealous of his rich brother.

You think jason taylor is worse at stopping the run than phillip daniels?

[skinzzfan25]

Adrian Peterson said the hardest defense he faced last year was the Redskins. If it's good enough for AP, it's good enough for anybody.

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/06/30/redskins-draw-respect-from-adrian-peterson/

Anthony Montgomery and London Fletcher played lights out that game. Towards the end of the season, Carter wasn't getting trapped behind those OTs anymore and could force some TFLs. If we can get Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh back early in the season I really like our defense. Hopefully Erasmus James will come off the PUP sometime mid season and fit perfectly into our rotation.

Pending any other injuries and a few speedy recoveries, I really think our defense can be a threat this year under Blatche.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Great trade for Taylor, but im somewhat confused.

Are they planning on putting Taylor on the strongside at LE? That would be a big mistake. Taylor is a stoute run defender as a RE, but LE is a whole different ball game. 245 lbs isn't gonna cut it on the strong side.


So while I question what impact this will have on their run defense, their pass rush on 3rd downs has increased significantly with this move. So its a catch 22, as of right now its great in one way but Id be skeptical in another.


Regardless, the NFC East gets even stronger. Im getting tired of all these good players going to my division rivals.


He is only 245 lbs? Damn he will get owned if he plays strongside at LE.

[bigbluedefense]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jealous

feeling resentment against someone because of that person's rivalry, success, or advantages (often fol. by of): He was jealous of his rich brother.

You think jason taylor is worse at stopping the run than phillip daniels?

we don't know that yet is all im saying. we haven't seen him play strongside ever in his entire career.

ask anyone who's played the position, playing strongside DE and weakside are 2 different worlds. just bc he was stoute against the run as a RE by no means indicates he'll do the same on the strongside with a bigger stronger RT and a TE moving him out of the way.

if i were to guess, id say he'll be solid still, but its just speculating at this point. however, he'd defy the odds by being great against the run in that role.

[Suits]

If DT Anthony Montgomery's progress continues throughout next season, his value as a run-stuffing rock in the middle of the skin's d line will make up for the downgrade in run defense from Daniels to Taylor. There's only one question mark: Does Taylor still have his competitive edge?

If so, it will be great to see what the redskin's secondary can do now with a pass rush. The corners and linebackers will have at least 14 pics between them, and landry should add 4-5.

Ultimately, JTs addition will offset the loss of sean taylor, and the defense should remain dominant. More turnovers should help an offense that ranked 20th in the league in ppg. Jim Zorn's attacking mentality should also add points in the redzone, deviating from Joe Gibbs's etched-in-stone conservative playcalling:

1st: run portis up the middle (effective 4% of the time)
2nd: run portis to the side (effective 6% of the time)
3rd: play action and pray cooley's open (effective 10% of the time)
4th: kick (what ended up happening 80% of the time)

[bigbluedefense]

He is only 245 lbs? Damn he will get owned if he plays strongside at LE.

245 with wet boots on.


thats what im trying to explain to these guys, its not as simple as it sounds. you coach, you know what im talking about.

[bigbluedefense]

Adrian Peterson said the hardest defense he faced last year was the Redskins. If it's good enough for AP, it's good enough for anybody.

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/06/30/redskins-draw-respect-from-adrian-peterson/

Anthony Montgomery and London Fletcher played lights out that game. Towards the end of the season, Carter wasn't getting trapped behind those OTs anymore and could force some TFLs. If we can get Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh back early in the season I really like our defense. Hopefully Erasmus James will come off the PUP sometime mid season and fit perfectly into our rotation.

Pending any other injuries and a few speedy recoveries, I really think our defense can be a threat this year under Blatche.

Personally, I don't know enough about Blatche to have an honest critique of him.

I like your LB core albeit an old one. McIntosh is a stud in the making if he can come back from that terrible injury.

Landry will be a top 3 safety at worst imo this year. But your DTs, and CBs are big question marks. DTs are no big deal bc of your LB core, but your CB situation is not good. And you can't mask it the way we did with a dominant pass rush, because while your pass rush will be solid, it won't be dominant.

[McBain]

Personally, I don't know enough about Blatche to have an honest critique of him.

I like your LB core albeit an old one. McIntosh is a stud in the making if he can come back from that terrible injury.

Landry will be a top 3 safety at worst imo this year. But your DTs, and CBs are big question marks. DTs are no big deal bc of your LB core, but your CB situation is not good. And you can't mask it the way we did with a dominant pass rush, because while your pass rush will be solid, it won't be dominant.

we don't know that yet is all im saying. we haven't seen him play strongside ever in his entire career.

ask anyone who's played the position, playing strongside DE and weakside are 2 different worlds. just bc he was stoute against the run as a RE by no means indicates he'll do the same on the strongside with a bigger stronger RT and a TE moving him out of the way.

if i were to guess, id say he'll be solid still, but its just speculating at this point. however, he'd defy the odds by being great against the run in that role.


It's true we don't have what your depth was last yeah... but our secondary and our lbs are better imo.

Im very aware than JT is undersized and all but... while size does matter i think we can all agree it's the motion of the ocean combined with good foreplay. Our run D was number 3 last year... and my question wasn't will JT do spectacular. My question was will we see fall off from him to phillip daniels in stopping the run??

[bigbluedefense]

It's true we don't have your depth... but our secondary is better imo.

Im very aware than JT is undersized and all but... while size does matter i think we can all agree it's the motion of the ocean combined with good foreplay. Our run D was number 3 last year... and my question wasn't will JT do spectacular. My question was will he be better than phillip daniels.

Actually, and this might be homerism talking, I think the Giants are going to have a very good and underrated secondary next year. I expect Ross to develop into a stud, Corey Webster to continue to grow into this new defense, and I expect Thomas to blossom into the same role Ross had last year. I also like our depth and matchups with Dockery in the slot against smaller quick WRs. Phillips is also going to surprise a lot of the draftniks that said he sucks.

But anyway, as for your question, I think he will give you the same production if he pans out in that position. Its not easy to play that side with his strength.

Remember, when analyzing Taylor, you gotta see how he plays and what makes him great. He's a speed rusher with great moves. He's able to hold his ground against the run on the weakside with hands and leverage.

However as a LE, you gotta have some strength to go with that. You gotta be strong enough to break the RT/TE combo block. I don't know if Taylor is strong enough to do that. We haven't seen it yet at least. Thats why im skeptical.

I wouldn't put it past him, but at the same time it wouldn't shock me if he is poor against the run on the strongside. Its not as easy as it sounds.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

245 with wet boots on.


thats what im trying to explain to these guys, its not as simple as it sounds. you coach, you know what im talking about.

Yeah but the avg. fan doesn't know it. They think DE is DE, right or left, same stuff, and if the guy is a stud, he will be a stud no matter what.

But put a 245 lb guy at DE in a 4-3 strongside, and then a TE and RT will own the ever living piss out of that DE. That's what makes Strahan's accomplishments special.

[McBain]

Actually, and this might be homerism talking, I think the Giants are going to have a very good and underrated secondary next year. I expect Ross to develop into a stud, Corey Webster to continue to grow into this new defense, and I expect Thomas to blossom into the same role Ross had last year. I also like our depth and matchups with Dockery in the slot against smaller quick WRs. Phillips is also going to surprise a lot of the draftniks that said he sucks.

But anyway, as for your question, I think he will give you the same production if he pans out in that position. Its not easy to play that side with his strength.

Remember, when analyzing Taylor, you gotta see how he plays and what makes him great. He's a speed rusher with great moves. He's able to hold his ground against the run on the weakside with hands and leverage.

However as a LE, you gotta have some strength to go with that. You gotta be strong enough to break the RT/TE combo block. I don't know if Taylor is strong enough to do that. We haven't seen it yet at least. Thats why im skeptical.

I wouldn't put it past him, but at the same time it wouldn't shock me if he is poor against the run on the strongside. Its not as easy as it sounds.

Then the question that follows would be. Do you think he pans? I think you are over-rating the switch from lde to rde... obviously it's a change and i agree it will be an adjustment but i'm a firm believer in a great player is a great player is a great player. JT is a great player and will adjust.

Oh as far as the giants secondary... i think they benefited from the best pass rush in the game last year.... which has probably been said but still remains my unoriginal take. Aaron Ross is pretty good though.

Anyways off season speculation... woo.

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah but the avg. fan doesn't know it. They think DE is DE, right or left, same stuff, and if the guy is a stud, he will be a stud no matter what.

But put a 245 lb guy at DE in a 4-3 strongside, and then a TE and RT will own the ever living piss out of that DE. That's what makes Strahan's accomplishments special.

Im glad you brought up Strahan. Bc i know someone is gonna say "well how did Strahan do it later in his career at 255?"

But what's lost in that is how strong Strahan was. Even at 255, Strahan played like a 300 lb lineman. He was that strong. He was an ox, and one of a kind in that regards.

As great as Taylor is, and Im a huge Taylor fan, he doesn't play as strong as Strahan does. Nobody does really. So its an unfair comparison.

[bigbluedefense]

Then the question that follows would be. Do you think he pans? I think you are over-rating the switch from lde to rde... obviously it's a change and i agree it will be an adjustment but i'm a firm believer in a great player is a great player is a great player. JT is a great player and will adjust.

I think he will pan out. But I think it will be an adjustment that will reach full circle probably after week 4. Its gonna take some time to adjust to. He might try to put on weight to fit the role as well during the season.

But its not gonna be an easy transition. This is Jason Taylor, I have a feeling he'll figure it out sooner or later, but its not gonna be an easy transition.

I also feel however, that Taylor won't be as successful as a LE opposed to his days at RE.

Still successful though.

[McBain]

I think he will pan out. But I think it will be an adjustment that will reach full circle probably after week 4. Its gonna take some time to adjust to. He might try to put on weight to fit the role as well during the season.

But its not gonna be an easy transition. This is Jason Taylor, I have a feeling he'll figure it out sooner or later, but its not gonna be an easy transition.

I also feel however, that Taylor won't be as successful as a LE opposed to his days at RE.

Still successful though.

I don't know how long it takes... but i agree... hi-five.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't know how long it takes... but i agree... hi-five.

:)

make sure you beat the Cowboys lol ;)

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Im glad you brought up Strahan. Bc i know someone is gonna say "well how did Strahan do it later in his career at 255?"

But what's lost in that is how strong Strahan was. Even at 255, Strahan played like a 300 lb lineman. He was that strong. He was an ox, and one of a kind in that regards.

As great as Taylor is, and Im a huge Taylor fan, he doesn't play as strong as Strahan does. Nobody does really. So its an unfair comparison.

Strahan did it because he had a rare combo of size and strength, AND most importantly was a technically sound DE, who had a variety of moves. He was successful because he had many, many moves from the bull rush to a simple swim, or rip. He used all these moves with his size, strength, and speed and that's how he became good.

[bigbluedefense]

Strahan did it because he had a rare combo of size and strength, AND most importantly was a technically sound DE, who had a variety of moves. He was successful because he had many, many moves from the bull rush to a simple swim, or rip. He used all these moves with his size, strength, and speed and that's how he became good.

Taylor is just as great from a technique perspective too. The thing that separates Strahan from Taylor though is pure strength.

Both of them have made a career out of using dominant leverage and technique and a variety of moves. Strahan is much stronger though.

[skinzzfan25]

In the press conference Taylor addressed the switch from RDE to LDE. He said that when he was under Saban he played a great deal on the left. In 05 and 06 under Saban he had 25.5 total sacks 2 INT 21 PDs and 13 FFs.

He looked a little slim in the conference, but he has some time to build some strength through reps with our 5 preseason games. I'm glad we got him and hopefully he can help force some turnovers this season.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

In the press conference Taylor addressed the switch from RDE to LDE. He said that when he was under Saban he played a great deal on the left. In 05 and 06 under Saban he had 25.5 total sacks 2 INT 21 PDs and 13 FFs.

Saban mostly ran a 3-4 in Miami though, and Taylor played mostly from the outside linebacker position. Maybe he played some strongside linebacker, but I don't think he played 3-4 DE very often. Maybe I'm just misremembering.

[dpl85]

Sounds like a good trade for both teams as long as Taylor doesn't become an actor right away and plays longer than 1 more season. From a Cowboys perspective just as we lose Strahan in the division we get Jason Taylor lol.

[skinzzfan25]

Saban mostly ran a 3-4 in Miami though, and Taylor played mostly from the outside linebacker position. Maybe he played some strongside linebacker, but I don't think he played 3-4 DE very often. Maybe I'm just misremembering.

He probably came up to the line and put his hand in the dirt occasionally making it a somewhat modded 4-3.

[skinzzfan25]

http://beaut.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/xerxes.jpg

Jason Taylor approves of the transaction. HAHAAHA

[ATLDirtyBirds]

we don't know that yet is all im saying. we haven't seen him play strongside ever in his entire career.

ask anyone who's played the position, playing strongside DE and weakside are 2 different worlds. just bc he was stoute against the run as a RE by no means indicates he'll do the same on the strongside with a bigger stronger RT and a TE moving him out of the way.

if i were to guess, id say he'll be solid still, but its just speculating at this point. however, he'd defy the odds by being great against the run in that role.



Yep. Take it from me, someone's who has played DE. There is a world of difference between strong and weak. I know this mainly because my first year I just played RDE. I didn't move no matter how the formations went. It's not at all the same. Normally the RT is a bigger and stronger then on the other side, so if he gets locked in on you, then you get the TE pushing, and it's really not easy. Then the most frustrating thing is... when and if you get by these guys, sometimes there's even a RB waiting to cut you down.

[islandboy843]

Yeah I am just tripping.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Yep. Take it from me, someone's who has played DE. There is a world of difference between strong and weak. I know this mainly because my first year I just played RDE. I didn't move no matter how the formations went. It's not at all the same. Normally the RT is a bigger and stronger then on the other side, so if he gets locked in on you, then you get the TE pushing, and it's really not easy. Then the most frustrating thing is... when and if you get by these guys, sometimes there's even a RB waiting to cut you down.

Yup! That's why at 245 lb he needs to bulk up if he plans on doing some damage in the NFC East. 245 plus a RT and TE combo or chipping will get himself owned.

[Vikes99ej]

I wonder what number Taylor will wear. I think Carter is 99?

[PACKmanN]

Yeah but the avg. fan doesn't know it. They think DE is DE, right or left, same stuff, and if the guy is a stud, he will be a stud no matter what.

But put a 245 lb guy at DE in a 4-3 strongside, and then a TE and RT will own the ever living piss out of that DE. That's what makes Strahan's accomplishments special.

Taylor is 255, and for a comparison, Kampman is 265. I don't think Taylor will struggle as much if the Skins put a good scheme, just like the one he played under Jim Bates.

[Geo]

Yup! That's why at 245 lb he needs to bulk up if he plans on doing some damage in the NFC East. 245 plus a RT and TE combo or chipping will get himself owned.
Robert Mathis plays LDE and is listed at 245. Granted he's closer to the ground being 6' 1.5", as opposed to the much taller Taylor at around 6' 6".

[bigbluedefense]

Taylor is 255, and for a comparison, Kampman is 265. I don't think Taylor will struggle as much if the Skins put a good scheme, just like the one he played under Jim Bates.

Taylor is listed at 255, but he has said himself he's never been heavier than 245, and has played at 235 most of his career.

Kampman is a legit 265.

[bigbluedefense]

Robert Mathis plays LDE and is listed at 245. Granted he's closer to the ground being 6' 1.5", as opposed to the much taller Taylor at around 6' 6".

Mathis isn't going to be mistaken for Reggie White in the run game anytime soon though. Thats the issue at hand. I have a feeling Taylor figures it out, but im just saying, its no guarantee.

[Iamcanadian]

True but the NFC East is the best division in football we put 3 in last year and it can happen again . Plus, its not set in stone that the Giants and Cowboys will finish ahead of the Eagles and Redskins, anything can happen its just ludicrous to mock the redskins as a poor football team which they are clearly not.

I think we are going to have to wait to find out the effect Gibbs leaving will have. Just maybe you are a very mediocre football team that had a HC who got the most out of his players and without Gibbs you'll return to mediocrity.
Maybe Washington fans don't realize what a fine job Gibbs did with a rather mediocre football team.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I will say though under Zorn the offense is going to be so much more wide open, however you are right, Gibbs was the ultimate motivator, a players coach. He was like a father to all the players so all of them wanted to do their best, however Zorn is a different kind of players coach, he's like a player out there. He keeps the mood fun, he has brought in a bunch of weird devices and he is just as excited as any player, so we will see how it works out.

[skinzzfan25]

I wonder what number Taylor will wear. I think Carter is 99?

55, sorry for the big pic. He chose 55 most likely because his boy Zach Thomas is 55 also.

http://redskinsblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/p2010019.jpg

[21ST]

I think we are going to have to wait to find out the effect Gibbs leaving will have. Just maybe you are a very mediocre football team that had a HC who got the most out of his players and without Gibbs you'll return to mediocrity.
Maybe Washington fans don't realize what a fine job Gibbs did with a rather mediocre football team.

We were mediocore with gibbs and his handcuffed offense

[LonghornsLegend]

Who do the skins have playing RE, and why don't they line him up over there where most of the elite pass-rushers are? I thought they were pretty think at DE in general after injuries so I don't understand putting him on the left.

[CC.SD]

I like this pickup, but I think it's an odd move because I don't see the Redskins breaking through as true contenders for at least another season or two, aka when Taylor is gone.

He's a ringseeker being used as a stopgap. Not quite a perfect fit, although I think he'll still put up good numbers and help that secondary develop. There's still a lot of young, untapped talent in the Redskins back end with Rogers and Landry and hopefully Taylor can make their transition into a unit to be reckoned with a little easier.

[Splat]

Clinton Portis: Tweaks Ankle (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-lintonortisweaksnkle&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)

Bad luck.

[PACKmanN]

Robert Mathis plays LDE and is listed at 245. Granted he's closer to the ground being 6' 1.5", as opposed to the much taller Taylor at around 6' 6".

yes, but the scheme Taylor and Mathis play under is different. Mathis is in a cover 2 where they want quick players to cover gaps. While Taylor is in a 4-3 and has to cover his side, alone.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Clinton Portis: Tweaks Ankle (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-lintonortisweaksnkle&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)

Bad luck.

Maybe we should just not practice.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Who do the skins have playing RE, and why don't they line him up over there where most of the elite pass-rushers are? I thought they were pretty think at DE in general after injuries so I don't understand putting him on the left.

Andre Carter is a pro bowl level end.

[21ST]

Clinton Portis: Tweaks Ankle (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-lintonortisweaksnkle&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)

Bad luck.

Well now he has his yearly excuse for why he cant play in preseason

[skinzzfan25]

Well now he has his yearly excuse for why he cant play in preseason

Yeah, he does this every year.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/lb_depth.html#comments

He has been confirmed to participate in the PM practice though, so it's a non issue.

[no love]

Andre Carter is a pro bowl level end.

No he's not. He is not better than any of the following - Osi Umenyiora, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, Trent Cole, Patrick Kearney and Will Smith. Next year you can probably add Justin Tuck to that list and Dockett if the Cardinals go full time 3-4.

Don't get enamored with the fact that he had a 10 sack season last year. He had one of those in SF and followed that season with 3 underwhelming seasons. He is a middle of the pack talent.

[bigbluedefense]

Andre Carter is a pro bowl level end.

.....


Osi Umenyiora
Justin Tuck
Trent Cole
Aaron Kampman
Alewale Ogunleye
Alex Brown
Jared Allen
John Abraham
Julius Peppers
Will Smith
Patrick Kerney


Those names just off the top of my head, are all better than Andre Carter...

[SeanTaylorRIP]

When I say pro bowl level end I mean one of the better DE's, above average starter, which he is, he is good against the run, tremendous tracking down runners, and has way more pressures than his sack total of 10.5 would leave you to believe. And 5 of his sacks resulted in turnovers. I think his name has every right to be mentioned in the top 10 or so DE's in the NFC.

[eaglesfan_45]

I agree, top 10 for Carter. BBD I think your stretching it a little bit, Alex Brown?
Mine:

1. Jared Allen
2. Julius Peppers
3. Trent Cole
4. Osi
5. Jason Taylor
6. Will Smith
7. Patrick Kerney
8. Aaron Kampman
9. Andre Carter
10. Justin Tuck

[McBain]

I agree, top 10 for Carter. BBD I think your stretching it a little bit, Alex Brown?
Mine:

1. Jared Allen
2. Julius Peppers
3. Trent Cole
4. Osi
5. Jason Taylor
6. Will Smith
7. Patrick Kerney
8. Andre Carter
9. Justin Tuck
10. John Abraham

the lack of aaron kampman is embarrassing.

[Gay Ork Wang]

and Ogunleye. I wouldnt take Justin Tuck over Abraham either.

[eaglesfan_45]

the lack of aaron kampman is embarrassing.

whoops :/ gotta fix that

[BlindSite]

Heres the pros and cons of Taylor being in washington.

Pro:
Experience - He's seen it all, he's done it all, there's not a formation or a call that an offense can make that he hasn't seen before.
Technique - Probably within the top 3 in the NFL of technique, due to his size and stature his technique has lead to masterful performances for years, there's no reason this shouldn't continue.
Leadership - He'll probably help his team mates become better by calming them in big situations and firing them up when need be.
Motor - He's known for his high motor, meaning when the opposition is tired, he'll keep coming and make plays.

Cons
Age - he's getting up there in years and is starting to slow down.
New system - He's been in miami his entire career and although he's probably played in a system similar to the one in Washington there is still going to be an adjustment.
Division - New York Giants, Philly Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, three teams who've shown their offensive lines are big, mean and strong. That's 6 games against talented offensive lines he's not faced. i.e. In the AFC he knew a lot of opponent's tendencies, here he'll be seeing things he's not used to.
Size - He's really an over sized linebacker and although his technique and his motor and his experience will be enough to overcome this issue most of the time its the some of the time that can lead to blown plays.

I believe you'll see an upswing in the pass defense of the Redskins and that there will be some close games they'll win on defense because of a game changing play by Taylor or one of his linemates. I also think that teams will try to pound the ball at the undersized taylor using double teams to tire him out and pop some decent gains.

The problem with having a team built to stop the pass which imo Pass vs Run this line is probably 60 / 40 split, is that you need to force your opposition to pass. Which may not be the case considering there's a young QB, fresh faces on offense, a new system and a new HC. That is, no points on the board = no pressure to pass the ball.

imo Taylor's success hinders on what the team around him does, moreso than what he brings to the table.

[Splat]

Redskins' top draft pick Thomas hurt at practice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Another one bites the dust.

[Addict]

Redskins' top draft pick Thomas hurt at practice (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Another one bites the dust.

auch.. a hamstring? That blows.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

If Devin Thomas or Chris Wilson miss any regular season time that would be a huge blow, hopefully it is just a hamstring pull, I say we don't practice, it is doing more harm that good. This is what happens after those years under Gibbs when training camp was basically just standing around and joking around.

[Addict]

If Devin Thomas or Chris Wilson miss any regular season time that would be a huge blow, hopefully it is just a hamstring pull, I say we don't practice, it is doing more harm that good. This is what happens after those years under Gibbs when training camp was basically just standing around and joking around.

the thing about practice is it makes perfect.

[MetSox17]

the thing about practice is it makes perfect.

But, no one is perfect, so why practice?:rolleyes: