The Big East Discussion Thread

[Canadian_kid16]

We might have more BE fans then any conference here lol (thats a stretch, but anyway)

All Big East Talk can go in here. I'll start with a conference prediction

WVU- 10-2 (6-1) (losses to Auburn and USF)
USF- 10-2 (5-2) (losses to Pitt and Cincy)
Pitt- 9-3 (5-2) (losses to ND, WVU, and UConn)
Cincy- 9-4 (4-3) (losses to OU, WVU, Pitt, RU)
Louisville- 8-4 (3-4) (losses to USF, Pitt, Cincy, WVU)
Rutgers- 7-5 (3-4) (losses to FS, WVU, Pitts, USF, UL)
UConn- 6-6 (2-5) (losses to UL, UNC, RU, Cincy, USF, WVU)
Syracuse- 2-10 (0-7) (wins against Akron and Northeastern)

And...here...we...go!

[scottyboy]

i don't see any chance of RU losing to loserville or Pitt. I think we can beat fresno state too, I'm not impressed with their team. Think they're very over-rated(i think we have a BE thread, but a new one for a new season never hurt!)

[Canadian_kid16]

i don't see any chance of RU losing to loserville or Pitt. I think we can beat fresno state too, I'm not impressed with their team. Think they're very over-rated(i think we have a BE thread, but a new one for a new season never hurt!)

I'm prolly one of the ones who thinks FS is going to be good this year lol...

PLus I made a few upsets (UL beating RU was one of them) so yeah lol

[kwilk103]

wvu will beat auburn

toughest game will be usf

we should win the big east; chance at 12-0 if things fall into place

[504 to ATL]

we should win the big east; chance at 12-0 if things fall into place

I don't think that would be good for College football, everyone wants to see USC/UGA/UF/OSU/Oklahoma in the championship game.

But they very well could have a one or no loss season.

[kwilk103]

I don't think that would be good for College football, everyone wants to see USC/UGA/UF/OSU/Oklahoma in the championship game.

But they very well could have a one or no loss season.

why?

b/c we're not a traditional power? who wants to see osu lose again

we have one of the most explosive offenses in the country, an exciting team to watch

[Tampa 2 4 life]

We might have more BE fans then any conference here lol (thats a stretch, but anyway)

All Big East Talk can go in here. I'll start with a conference prediction

WVU- 10-2 (6-1) (losses to Auburn and USF)
USF- 10-2 (5-2) (losses to Pitt and Cincy)
Pitt- 9-3 (5-2) (losses to ND, WVU, and UConn)
Cincy- 9-4 (4-3) (losses to OU, WVU, Pitt, RU)
Louisville- 8-4 (3-4) (losses to USF, Pitt, Cincy, WVU)
Rutgers- 7-5 (3-4) (losses to FS, WVU, Pitts, USF, UL)
UConn- 6-6 (2-5) (losses to UL, UNC, RU, Cincy, USF, WVU)
Syracuse- 2-10 (0-7) (wins against Akron and Northeastern)

And...here...we...go!

I don't think we'll lose to pitt...EVeryone seems to forget who their HC is. I'd put us down for losses to KU and Rutgers.

But the Homer in me says 11-1!!!!!!!!!!

[Canadian_kid16]

I don't think we'll lose to pitt...EVeryone seems to forget who their HC is. I'd put us down for losses to KU and Rutgers.

But the Homer in me says 11-1!!!!!!!!!!

The homer in me says 12-0

We beat WVU the last two years, and one of those years we were in WVU on the last week of the year.

It will pretty much be the only game where having inexperienced corners won't be an issue due to WVU's offense. Plus our replacement for Moffitt will be fine, so its basically the same team we had last year.

but we always lose a couple games we shouldn't have, so thats why I say 10-2

[scottyboy]

USF is a good team. I think they're gonna beat WVU this year. I can very well see them going 11-1, losing to Rutgers.

seriously, RU matches up pretty well against USF. and with USF going to be starting 2 new CB's, and us bringing out an arial attack with Underwood, Britt and even Brown, I saw we match up well against a strong USF team.

[kwilk103]

The homer in me says 12-0

We beat WVU the last two years, and one of those years we were in WVU on the last week of the year.

It will pretty much be the only game where having inexperienced corners won't be an issue due to WVU's offense. Plus our replacement for Moffitt will be fine, so its basically the same team we had last year.

but we always lose a couple games we shouldn't have, so thats why I say 10-2

1. it wasnt the last week of the season; it was over thanksgiving break, b/c 3/4 the student section was empty; rutgers was the last week

2. we actually have a vertically passing offense this year, so having inexperienced corners will hurt

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The homer in me says 12-0

We beat WVU the last two years, and one of those years we were in WVU on the last week of the year.

It will pretty much be the only game where having inexperienced corners won't be an issue due to WVU's offense. Plus our replacement for Moffitt will be fine, so its basically the same team we had last year.

but we always lose a couple games we shouldn't have, so thats why I say 10-2

Honestly our only huge weaknesses are O-Line Depth and CB. O-Line I'm worried about, But if Leavitt knows one thing, its how to develop CBs quickly into solid starters.

11-1, losing to Pitt because they like to pound the rock.

[Canadian_kid16]

1. it wasnt the last week of the season; it was over thanksgiving break, b/c 3/4 the student section was empty; rutgers was the last week

2. we actually have a vertically passing offense this year, so having inexperienced corners will hurt

I wasn't talking about it being the fans, its more like how crappy we are in cold weather...we beat one of the best teams in the nation in cold weather, thats pretty much unheard of is USF land

as far as I can remember, your receivers aren't anything special, so our inexperienced corners won't be too much of a liability

[Jonny]

I think Rutgers will beat Fresno and Louisville.

[Sniper]

1. it wasnt the last week of the season; it was over thanksgiving break, b/c 3/4 the student section was empty; rutgers was the last week

2. we actually have a vertically passing offense this year, so having inexperienced corners will hurt

It is also yet to be seen if White can consistently throw deep. Yes, they toasted Oklahoma. But if teams are more wary of the deep pass, I doubt it will work as well as it did against OU. And who are your wideouts?

[kwilk103]

I wasn't talking about it being the fans, its more like how crappy we are in cold weather...we beat one of the best teams in the nation in cold weather, thats pretty much unheard of is USF land

as far as I can remember, your receivers aren't anything special, so our inexperienced corners won't be too much of a liability

it wasnt that cold; it was in the 60s; i remember playing football outside and wearing shorts and a t-shirt

edit:

it was a high of 66; with a mean of 48

prob around 55-60 since it was a noon kickoff; not cold by any means

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMGW/2006/11/25/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

[kwilk103]

It is also yet to be seen if White can consistently throw deep. Yes, they toasted Oklahoma. But if teams are more wary of the deep pass, I doubt it will work as well as it did against OU. And who are your wideouts?

slot---soph jock sanders (has looked real good so far), rsr dorrell jalloh

wr (dont remember specific positions)---rjr alric arnett (looked good so far), rsr tito gonzalez, rfr bradley starks (looked great in the spring game and in fall practice)

we're not gonna pass more, just more downfield; white looked good in the spring game and in the fall; checking off receivers, etc

obviously it wont work as well if teams are defending the deep pass, but it will open the box for devine/white to have running room

[B-Dawk]

out of those you think uconn loses i say they beat cincy, ru, and unc

[Jonny]

Hopefully they beat UNC, but they're not beating Rutgers at our house. I think we were better last year, but we lost due to terrible ST play.

[Canadian_kid16]

I'm not going off of what should happen, I'm going off of what I tinhk will happen. I'm really hoping we get another year in CFB like last, where two one loss teams make it in and there are upsets galore. It makes the sport that much more exciting IMO

[NGSeiler]

I wasn't talking about it being the fans, its more like how crappy we are in cold weather...we beat one of the best teams in the nation in cold weather, thats pretty much unheard of is USF land

Except I don't recall it being that cold for that game (kwilk confirms), and this game is a week and a half later on the calendar (Nov 25th in '06, Dec 6th in '08). I like WVU's chances, especially since they're incorporating more downfield passing. If USF is able to shut down the WVU run as they have been in the past, the Mountaineers should have viable options to respond, especially by this point in the season.

But if teams are more wary of the deep pass

If teams are more wary of the deep pass, then it should help open up the run.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Except I don't recall it being that cold for that game (kwilk confirms), and this game is a week and a half later on the calendar (Nov 25th in '06, Dec 6th in '08). I like WVU's chances, especially since they're incorporating more downfield passing. If USF is able to shut down the WVU run as they have been in the past, the Mountaineers should have viable options to respond, especially by this point in the season.

Too bad we have those 2 really good Safeties to worry about.

[703SKINS202]

We're taking it.

[josh07039]

USF is a good team. I think they're gonna beat WVU this year. I can very well see them going 11-1, losing to Rutgers.

seriously, RU matches up pretty well against USF. and with USF going to be starting 2 new CB's, and us bringing out an arial attack with Underwood, Britt and even Brown, I saw we match up well against a strong USF team. I agree with you on this one. A big thing about USF last year was that they could count on their two big time corners to shut receivers down. This really allowed them to be incredibly aggressive because they could just have man coverage. Now they will have inexperienced corners that will need some help causing more nickel and dime coverages and also lead to more help being required from the safeties in coverage. Additionally they lost Moffitt who was a real stalwart in the linebacker core which may lead to difficulties against the Run.

In terms of Rutgers matching up when they play D, I think Rutgers may be better equipped this year because, While Renkart was an absolutely great lb and munoz was solid at mlb. We now have big and fast linebackers that fly from sideline to sideline. The healt of Dimperio and the addition of Abreu will allow us to be stout against the run up the middle while also allow us to contain grothe when the pocket collapses(which it should with the rush from George Johnson, Westerman, and Silvestro.

[Jonny]

Munoz was very bad at MLB last year. That's one of the spots where I think RU will be better - D'Imperio should be a big upgrade.

[703SKINS202]

Im going to the Villanova game tomorrow to see noel devine rush for 140 yards on 8 carries.

[josh07039]

Munoz was very bad at MLB last year. That's one of the spots where I think RU will be better - D'Imperio should be a big upgrade.The one aspect he was solid in that I like was that since he was undersized and fast he was good when covering Tight Ends. Additionally Munoz could get sideline to sideline. However he was bad at stopping the run and rushing the passer, the two traits I prize in a MLB. Basically last year he was an olb/s playing mlb. It wasn't his fault that injuries forced him to play out of position, he is more suited to be a situational/backup olb. The good thing is that he has had experience at MLB so if something happens to Dimperio he will be a bit better than last year. I think this years Linebackers(Dimperio/Malast/Abreu) are really going to be phenomenal they seem to both physical and fast.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well Pitt certianly didn't start off the way they wanted.

[josh07039]

Well Pitt certianly didn't start off the way they wanted.Maybe a bit over hyped. They were the trendy pick this year to be a dark horse to capture the big east. I'm a little conflicted about their loss because it weakens the reputation of the league as a whole, but it means that firstly they may not be as much competition for Rutgers as others claim they will be and also obviously, any team with the big east with a loss except Rutgers is a good thing for their title chances.

[Giantsfan1080]

Maybe a bit over hyped. They were the trendy pick this year to be a dark horse to capture the big east. I'm a little conflicted about their loss because it weakens the reputation of the league as a whole, but it means that firstly they may not be as much competition for Rutgers as others claim they will be and also obviously, any team with the big east with a loss except Rutgers is a good thing for their title chances.

Yeah everyone has overrated Pitt just because they beat WV last year. Like you said it makes the whole conference look like crap though. They may have just started off poorly so who knows but Rutgers is the only team who is playing a real opponent for their first game.

[josh07039]

Yeah everyone has overrated Pitt just because they beat WV last year. Like you said it makes the whole conference look like crap though. They may have just started off poorly so who knows but Rutgers is the only team who is playing a real opponent for their first game.For a team like Rutgers I feel like playing Fresno is the best thing that could happen to them. Playing an awful opponent week 1 does nothing to boost their reputation or even tell them how legitimate a team Rutgers is. If the lose, so be it they aren't legit. However, a victory is a big boost both to the team's confidence and their credibility in the polls.Last year they stared out beating all crappy opponents and everyone asked who have they beaten. Well, even though its at home, an opening win against Fresno would be a big victory compared to all the other legit teams in college football that are just playing warm up games.

[kwilk103]

white

25/33 209 5 td 1 int (tipped off receivers hand)

really impressive; went to his 3rd read several times; looked like a different player

[kwilk103]

its amazing that a 4 point victory can blind the media to what a team really is

[Sniper]

white

25/33 209 5 td 1 int (tipped off receivers hand)

really impressive; went to his 3rd read several times; looked like a different player

It was 'Nova man.

[kwilk103]

he still looked worlds improved

i pointed out it was nova, but you can tell when a guy improves; he was looking off receivers and was on target all day; had about 3 incompletions (tons of drops); looked like an actual qb and not just a runner

actually went threw all his reads; hes never done that; his footwork was much better too

[Jonny]

The one aspect he was solid in that I like was that since he was undersized and fast he was good when covering Tight Ends. Additionally Munoz could get sideline to sideline. However he was bad at stopping the run and rushing the passer, the two traits I prize in a MLB. Basically last year he was an olb/s playing mlb. It wasn't his fault that injuries forced him to play out of position, he is more suited to be a situational/backup olb. The good thing is that he has had experience at MLB so if something happens to Dimperio he will be a bit better than last year. I think this years Linebackers(Dimperio/Malast/Abreu) are really going to be phenomenal they seem to both physical and fast.

I agree that he's better outside. D'Imperio can stuff the run at MLB. I'd rather have Abreu play this year though, and hopefully Lowery can take over the other outside spot next year.

Yeah, Pitt is back to being Pitt. We have to take care of business vs. Fresno on Monday.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Bulls win 56-7, pretty much just the ran the starters out there for a quarter and a half and then they went back to focusing on Kansas. Special teams looked good, but honestly I'm not taking anything from this game.

[Canadian_kid16]

Bulls win 56-7, pretty much just the ran the starters out there for a quarter and a half and then they went back to focusing on Kansas. Special teams looked good, but honestly I'm not taking anything from this game.


I cna't wait for that game...its a Friday nighter with two teams hopefully ranked in the Top 25...I hope it'll make it onto Canadian national television. I reallly wanna watch it

[kwilk103]

big east sched spread sheet

pretty cool

http://www.mediafire.com/?g2lge9kqnmg

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I cna't wait for that game...its a Friday nighter with two teams hopefully ranked in the Top 25...I hope it'll make it onto Canadian national television. I reallly wanna watch it

It should be great, we'll be coming off a blowout win versus the University of Central Failers and should be coming off some good momentum.

[Jonny]

I think USF is going to destroy Kansas.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think USF is going to destroy Kansas.

I'm not so sure.

[scottyboy]

saw some highlights of the WVA-Nova game. Granted it's Nova, but White *gulp* made some pretty nice throws. Granted there wasn't all too much pressure and such, but that one throw wwas nasty(off the double playfake I think). then again...it WAS nova

and lol at the lame, skinny Lorenzen for throwing THREE picks. really? that's terrible, considering their opponent

[kwilk103]

bunch of big east coaches could be gone after this year:

wannstedt--75%
robinson--90%
kragthorpe--50%

then you have guys like kelley (wont be there that much longer; cincy pres hates athletics), schiano, and edsall who will be sought after by bigger programs

[Notredameleo]

Hunter Cantwell blows. I am embarrassed to be a student at Louisville right now. Everything was way low, and the one pass that wasn't was ten yards overthrown and picked. At this point, I'm just hoping for a .500 season, and honestly I'm not seeing it. I have no idea how Kragthorpe took a program that won the orange bowl, and now they are completely horrible. The only good thing from this game is the fact that it looks like Ron English has helped the defense tremendously!
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[NGSeiler]

It was 'Nova man.

Good lord, give credit where credit is due. White looked outstanding throwing the ball yesterday. I think I counted one pass that was off target. I don't care who it's against - that kind of accuracy was impressive.

[josh07039]

I agree that he's better outside. D'Imperio can stuff the run at MLB. I'd rather have Abreu play this year though, and hopefully Lowery can take over the other outside spot next year.

Yeah, Pitt is back to being Pitt. We have to take care of business vs. Fresno on Monday.
Obviously You'd rather have abreu out there, who wouldn't? He's bigger faster and younger.

BTW, anyone else going to the game today?

[scottyboy]

it's a shame Abreu isn't starting, he'sa man beast. Him, Ryan and Malast would be a sweet LBgroup.

Has Schiano anounced the other saftey? Lefeged or Kitchen?

[Sniper]

Good lord, give credit where credit is due. White looked outstanding throwing the ball yesterday. I think I counted one pass that was off target. I don't care who it's against - that kind of accuracy was impressive.

It was ******* Villanova! Of course he's going to look awesome against no pass rush. 4-5 yard passes aren't that impressive, sorry. 6.3 ypa is nothing to write home about, especially against Villanova.

[Giantsfan1080]

it's a shame Abreu isn't starting, he'sa man beast. Him, Ryan and Malast would be a sweet LBgroup.

Has Schiano anounced the other saftey? Lefeged or Kitchen?

I think they are both just going to be splitting time at SS. Both of them are technically the starters.

[josh07039]

I think Abreu is a starter, starters are Dimperio/Abreu/Malast with Munoz as primary backup.

[scottyboy]

I think Abreu is a starter, starters are Dimperio/Abreu/Malast with Munoz as primary backup.

thats what I originally thought and makes the most sense. I'm LOVING our D right now, especially the back 7. If Westerman can step up and keep being awesome, our D will be recognized as one of the best.

[kwilk103]

It was ******* Villanova! Of course he's going to look awesome against no pass rush. 4-5 yard passes aren't that impressive, sorry. 6.3 ypa is nothing to write home about, especially against Villanova.

did you even see the game?

you could tell he looke completely different; his throwing motion was more fluid, he went through his progressions

we already said it was 'nova, but even then, last year he would have ran instead of staying in the pocket and making his reads

[josh07039]

thats what I originally thought and makes the most sense. I'm LOVING our D right now, especially the back 7. If Westerman can step up and keep being awesome, our D will be recognized as one of the best.Westerman at DT may limit his sack number but hopefully he'll still be a disruptive force in the middle. The big thing for me is George Johnson putting up numbers that are up to his physical ability.

[Giantsfan1080]

Westerman at DT may limit his sack number but hopefully he'll still be a disruptive force in the middle. The big thing for me is George Johnson putting up numbers that are up to his physical ability.

I thought they ended up not moving Westerman to DT? I believe Tverdov and Silvestro are starting there.

[NGSeiler]

It was ******* Villanova! Of course he's going to look awesome against no pass rush. 4-5 yard passes aren't that impressive, sorry. 6.3 ypa is nothing to write home about, especially against Villanova.

For a generally labeled "running QB" like White to have the day he did, it's impressive. He hit on two of his touchdown passes from 24 and 34 yards, putting the ball in picture perfect spots on all but one of his 33 throws. In his career, he's never thrown for more than two scores in a game. He threw for five on Saturday.

You can keep trying to reference the box score to diminish his performance, but anyone who actually watched that game had to come away impressed by his accuracy, ability to go through progressions, and the touch of his passes. The extent to which he can now go through progressions is completely new, and he looked great doing it. No one's discounting the fact that the opponent was Villanova, but for a guy like White who is generally not thought of as a strong passer - and often times isn't even labeled as the best actual passer on his team - it was a strong day.

[josh07039]

I thought they ended up not moving Westerman to DT? I believe Tverdov and Silvestro are starting there. I hope that is the case, because I much prefer him on the end with George Johnson causing pressure. I guess we'll find out today where he's gonna play.

[Jonny]

I thought they ended up not moving Westerman to DT? I believe Tverdov and Silvestro are starting there.

This is right. I only hope Silvestro moves back to DE next year, because we have a lot more DTs.

[bustabinary]

Pat White's accuracy impressed the hell out of me -- of his 8 incomplete passes, about 7 were dropped by the receivers and his only interception was caused by his receiver deflecting the ball in the air.

Yes, it was Villanova, and they didn't get a whole lot of pressure on Pat, but he played like a completely different person.

[Canadian_kid16]

UL, Pitt, Tyler Lorenzen, Syracuse and so far Rutgers aren't exactly setting the house on fire so far <_<

I want Rutgers to pull this one out

[Tampa 2 4 life]

God Dammit Rutgers.

[scottyboy]

I hate everything.

We played like ****, no way around it. Dominate the first half, and don't score? come on. Teel was overthrowing everyone and our D just got flat out tired. plain and simple

[Jonny]

You have to have realistic expectations scotty. We had a chance to win, but the team didn't execute. They can be a good team. They're not there yet this year.

[Giantsfan1080]

You have to have realistic expectations scotty. We had a chance to win, but the team didn't execute. They can be a good team. They're not there yet this year.

I'm not overreacting to this game but Teel really does stink. He threw into double coverage about 6 or 7 times. He once threw the ball to Brock when he had 3 guys around him and he had plenty of time so he didn't have to rush that throw.

[josh07039]

I'm not overreacting to this game but Teel really does stink. He threw into double coverage about 6 or 7 times. He once threw the ball to Brock when he had 3 guys around him and he had plenty of time so he didn't have to rush that throw.
He really didn't have much time in the pocket. The O- line, especially Gilmartin just did not play well enough to allow Teel the comfort level he needs. Granted Teel should've handled the pressure better, but the line didn't do him any favors.

[Giantsfan1080]

He really didn't have much time in the pocket. The O- line, especially Gilmartin just did not play well enough to allow Teel the comfort level he needs. Granted Teel should've handled the pressure better, but the line didn't do him any favors.

Even well Teel had time he made piss poor decisions. He rushed the ball out into double coverage a lot this game.

[eaglesalltheway]

Teel was not impressive at all in the game yestarday, and for the most part Brandstater looked poor too.

[Jughead10]

Rutgers isn't going to be good this year. Plain and simple. Actually they might because the Big East is going to be terrible. Rutgers is going to regret building that addition to the stadium.

[josh07039]

Rutgers isn't going to be good this year. Plain and simple. Actually they might because the Big East is going to be terrible. Rutgers is going to regret building that addition to the stadium.
Ah, Ye of little faith. One loss does not a season destroy.

[Jughead10]

Ah, Ye of little faith. One loss does not a season destroy.

I didn't think they would be good before the loss. I thought Fresno was going to win. And I think it is a shame Rutgers won't return the favor and go play in Cali next year.

[Forenci]

I hate everything.

We played like ****, no way around it. Dominate the first half, and don't score? come on. Teel was overthrowing everyone and our D just got flat out tired. plain and simple

Hah! Rutgers is terrible!

Can't really tell how UConn will do as they played Hofstra for a tune up in their first game. Donald Brown looked like a beast though running the ball - but then again, who wouldn't against Hofstra?

[kwilk103]

looks like its up to wvu to carry the big east....again

[Forenci]

looks like its up to wvu to carry the big east....again

Hah, yeah right. Way to beat the stuffing out of Villanova there champ.

I actually am thinking WVU may not be quite the same this year. The have a lesser coach, and as much as I dislike Rich Rod he is very good at running that zone run offense. Even though you'll deny it to the grave because you're a WVU fan who loved the guy until he went to a superior program like any coach would.

Your defense will be the death of that team once again.

[kwilk103]

our defense will be ok

and rod cost us the 2 games last year...not the defense

and we're not running the zone option as much; pats only gonna get 10 carries a game, and throw more, opening things up for devine

and our staff as a whole, is better than the old staff

and rod was nothing without pat white; see old games with rasheed marshall and adam bednarik; then see pat white; and no, contrary to belief, it was fsu o-cord that convinced rod to offer him as a qb; but thats another topic

we will be fine

[Jonny]

Rutgers isn't going to be good this year. Plain and simple. Actually they might because the Big East is going to be terrible. Rutgers is going to regret building that addition to the stadium.

I can't understand this opinion. Rutgers still has 11,000+ on the waiting list. These fans want to see football.

I didn't think they would be good before the loss. I thought Fresno was going to win. And I think it is a shame Rutgers won't return the favor and go play in Cali next year.

They are going to Fresno State, but it won't be for a few years.

[Jughead10]

I can't understand this opinion. Rutgers still has 11,000+ on the waiting list. These fans want to see football.

And 4-5 years ago you couldn't give away tickets and the place was empty. I just don't see this team sustaining its success it had for basically a season and a half. When they start losing games again, people will stop showing up.

[Sniper]

our defense will be ok

and rod cost us the 2 games last year...not the defense

and we're not running the zone option as much; pats only gonna get 10 carries a game, and throw more, opening things up for devine

and our staff as a whole, is better than the old staff

and rod was nothing without pat white; see old games with rasheed marshall and adam bednarik; then see pat white; and no, contrary to belief, it was fsu o-cord that convinced rod to offer him as a qb; but thats another topic

we will be fine

Right, Rodriguez didn't do anything. He cost you two games, gave the world AIDS, invented cancer, caused the war in Iraq, was the driving force behind Hurricane Katrina and was actually Hitler some 75 years ago. Keep telling yourself Rodriguez didn't do anything champ.

[kwilk103]

his crappy playcalling against pitt and usf cost us those games, not the defense

never in that post did i say he didnt do us good

i forgot, its the players fault we didnt throw more than 5 yds past the los in those games, or the fact we didnt execute

[kwilk103]

thought i should throw this in for ya sniper; rod caught in a lie? being sold out by his former coaches?

Last week, The Dash told a few memorable headset conversations related by coaches. One of them turned out to be apocryphal.

Rich Rodriguez's reminiscence about hearing nothing from his assistants on the headsets when he called the memorably bold fake punt for West Virginia in the 2006 Sugar Bowl was a joke. The reality of the situation was relayed to The Dash last week by Tulsa assistant coach Herb Hand (31), who was an assistant with the Mountaineers then.

According to Hand, who was in the booth during that game, he reminded Rodriguez to look for the fake punt call. Bill Stewart (now the coach at WVU) chimed in that it had been open earlier in the game.

So when West Virginia faced its fateful fourth-and-6 near midfield against Georgia, clinging to a three-point lead, the West Virginia cognoscenti convened via headset. Butch Jones, now the coach at Central Michigan, told Rodriguez the play would work. Hand concurred, then asked offensive coordinator Calvin Magee to sign off on it as well. Rodriguez made the final call.

The result was a fake by committee that resulted in a first down that secured the victory.


that is my last comment on rodriguez

now back to the big east

rutgers needs to step up big time; schiano could pull a ferentz and waited too long for a better gig if he doesnt improve rutgers any

[Sniper]

And that has to do with....?

[kwilk103]

considering we have opposite viewpoints on rr, thought i'd point that out

like i said, im done on that topic

[Sniper]

But that article doesn't mean anything. It doesn't further your point that LOLZ OMGZ RR SUCKZZZZZZZZ (which should be non-existent, but whatever) It's just amusing to see this change from WVU fans considering everyone loved the guy before the Pitt game/Michigan hire.

[kwilk103]

it proved my point hes been caught in many lies

[Sniper]

it proved my point hes been caught in many lies

Because of a small thing like that? Don't strain your arm reaching there sonny.

Hey 10-25 Billy Stewart needs his daily blowjob from you . Go help him out.

[kwilk103]

again, its more than that

and yes, those 8 wins in 3 yrs at vmi was above the avg wins per year there

you cant win at vmi; never had a winning season since '81

dont know why you insist on bringin up rod vs stew every chance you get

were happy, your happy, just end it

[Sniper]

P.S I know they don't actually teach anything at WVU, but using someone's ideas without crediting the source is called plagiarism and kind of illegal. Just a little tidbit.

[kwilk103]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&page=dash0801&sportCat=ncf&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

i forgot the link

[703SKINS202]

I like WVU.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

his crappy playcalling against pitt and usf cost us those games, not the defense

never in that post did i say he didnt do us good

i forgot, its the players fault we didnt throw more than 5 yds past the los in those games, or the fact we didnt execute

The USF D totally sucked in those games, you're right.

[P-L]

Wait, when the players don't execute it's the coaches fault? Damn, I never knew it was Rodriguez fault that Nick Sheridan couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and the defense could pressure in the first half against Utah. And all this time I was actually thinking it was Nick Sheridan's fault for sucking and the defense's fault for not doing what they were supposed to do.

[Forenci]

his crappy playcalling against pitt and usf cost us those games, not the defense

never in that post did i say he didnt do us good

i forgot, its the players fault we didnt throw more than 5 yds past the los in those games, or the fact we didnt execute

Or maybe it has to do with the fact that Rich realized Pat White is horrible at throwing the ball and is a mediocre QB at best.

Seriously kwilk. At least Scottyboy jokes around and admits he's a homer and has fun with it. You're just dreadfully annoying trying to convince yourself that he is a terrible coach. I'm pretty sure no one else but you cares enough to dig up these stories that ONLY showed up once he left your terrible school. And by terrible I mean being pathetic in terms of academic requirements.

[Sniper]

his crappy playcalling against pitt and usf cost us those games, not the defense

never in that post did i say he didnt do us good

i forgot, its the players fault we didnt throw more than 5 yds past the los in those games, or the fact we didnt execute

Funny, you didn't seem to ***** too much when not throwing the ball more than five yards past the LOS when you were racking up 35.15 points per game over the past four seasons. Or the #3, #2, #4, and #7 rushing attacks over that span.

And like T2FL said, it also had nothing to do with USF and Pitt's D playing well too. Nope, all Rodriguez's fault. Not his fault White tends to get hurt in a lot of big games. No siree. Playcalling it is. I have great respect for White, I think he's the most valuable player to his team in the country, but fact is, he's a *****.

[Sniper]

Or maybe it has to do with the fact that Rich realized Pat White is horrible at throwing the ball and is a mediocre QB at best.



But he carved up Villanova's D!!!!!11!!!11

[703SKINS202]

Pat White will be fine, it's our d I worry about. Rich Rod will do you good kwilk just loves his school and his team and there was bad blood when he left us. No need to personally attack WVU's team and its academics or anything.

[Forenci]

Pat White will be fine, it's our d I worry about. Rich Rod will do you good kwilk just loves his school and his team and there was bad blood when he left us. No need to personally attack WVU's team and its academics or anything.

Heh, you're right - that's my bad.

I just don't like it when someone never says anything bad about a coach when he's there and when he moves on to a better program he says the guy was a scum bag. It's two-faced and doesn't mean you love your school.

[kwilk103]

dude, the players said the plays calls magee made in the pitt and usf games never made it to the field; rod changed 90% of the calls

ask yourself this: how come when we played ou, the playbook was opened up, and every other game, we never opened the playbook, and ran the same 7 plays?

and forenci, fans hated rods play calls way before he left for um

[Tampa 2 4 life]

dude, the players said the plays calls magee made in the pitt and usf games never made it to the field; rod changed 90% of the calls

ask yourself this: how come when we played ou, the playbook was opened up, and every other game, we never opened the playbook, and ran the same 7 plays?

and forenci, fans hated rods play calls way before he left for um

...Because throwing downfield with Last Year White on Jenkins, Williams, Allen and C-Will was a hilariously bad idea?

[kwilk103]

it couldnt have hurt; plus you guys had like 8 in the box all games; no running lanes

we never threw, its what made some games closer than they were

fwiw, brown was thinkin about transferring b/c rod called the game like he was pat

again, im done with the topic, but some people keep bringing it back up

[toddmlazarchick]

But he carved up Villanova's D!!!!!11!!!11

Dude you have to be the most annoying person on this forum and thats saying a lot! Why does every post have to contain some form of OMGZZZZZZZZZ? You act like your 5. Can you debate something without using OMGZZZZZZ or 100000 exclamation marks?

[Sniper]

Dude you have to be the most annoying person on this forum and thats saying a lot! Why does every post have to contain some form of OMGZZZZZZZZZ? You act like your 5. Can you debate something without using OMGZZZZZZ or 100000 exclamation marks?

Absolutely, I use it to mock people. And it's not every post, it's more like one in twenty. Some fabulous mathematics there slugger. And um, who exactly are you?

[Jonny]

And 4-5 years ago you couldn't give away tickets and the place was empty. I just don't see this team sustaining its success it had for basically a season and a half. When they start losing games again, people will stop showing up.

That's based on a hunch though. The team was just above average in 2005 and 2007, yet the fans still showed up. Is it really a stretch to imagine the team filling out a small stadium? It's at 41,500 now and adding a few thousand seats, it's not like they're trying to fill the Big House.

I'm in NJ right now, and I still see people caring deeply about the team.

[Jughead10]

That's based on a hunch though. The team was just above average in 2005 and 2007, yet the fans still showed up. Is it really a stretch to imagine the team filling out a small stadium? It's at 41,500 now and adding a few thousand seats, it's not like they're trying to fill the Big House.

I'm in NJ right now, and I still see people caring deeply about the team.

I've lived 20 minutes from Rutgers Stadium my whole life and fans in this area are fickle in general. They don't get behind a whole lot. Especially if the team is average. It is just a hunch, but I honestly see Rutgers buiding this extension only to find out in 3-4 years when Rutgers isn't the hot thing at the moment, that the stadium will go back to being half empty.

[kwilk103]

rutgers fans not confident in schiano?

[Jughead10]

rutgers fans not confident in schiano?

He's about the only thing I'm confident with.

[toddmlazarchick]

Absolutely, I use it to mock people. And it's not every post, it's more like one in twenty. Some fabulous mathematics there slugger. And um, who exactly are you?

Does it matter if its one for one or one for twenty? You can't hold an argument for ****. You might want to worry about what RR is doing for your team since you cant beat Utah, instead of "OOMMGGZZZZZ'ing" all over yourself like an idiot. I could care less about my rep, it was given to me by Cowpuke fans who have zero objectivity and cant take a dose of reality. Your opinion means nothing when you argue like a 5 year old :rolleyes:

[Sniper]

Does it matter if its one for one or one for twenty? You can't hold an argument for ****. You might want to worry about what RR is doing for your team since you cant beat Utah, instead of "OOMMGGZZZZZ'ing" all over yourself like an idiot. I could care less about my rep, it was given to me by Cowpuke fans who have zero objectivity and cant take a dose of reality. Your opinion means nothing when you argue like a 5 year old :rolleyes:

Actually, I can definitely hold an argument. And since you know everything, you should be able to get past just the Utah name and see that it's a team that brought a lot of players back and started just outside the top 25 when they played a Michigan team that lost so much: A four year QB who broke a bunch of records and his backup, a four year RB who broke a bunch of records, the #1 pick in the draft at LT, the LG, C, RG, a SLB who had 28.5 TFL last year, a WLB, the two safeties, and the coach. Michigan had no business being in the top 25, they were there in name alone. I knew it, the coach knew it, and anyone with a functional brain knew it. If you knew a goddamn thing about Michigan, you'd know everyone expected them to be in a down year. So if you could possibly bring facts to the next time that you get your argument absolutely shredded, that'd be just peachy.

[Jonny]

rutgers fans not confident in schiano?

I've never thought he was beyond criticism. He has his good and bad qualities. The good outweighs the bad, and I'm happy with him as coach overall.

[NGSeiler]

Or maybe it has to do with the fact that Rich realized Pat White is horrible at throwing the ball and is a mediocre QB at best.

I guess we'll all find out this year now that WVU has a coaching staff that's willing to open things up vertically, but when given the chance to throw, White has shown that he has talent as a passer.

[kwilk103]

I guess we'll all find out this year now that WVU has a coaching staff that's willing to open things up vertically, but when given the chance to throw, White has shown that he has talent as a passer.

i doubt we throw it around again saturday due to the rain/wind we're supposed to get from the hurricane/tropical storm

[NGSeiler]

i doubt we throw it around again saturday due to the rain/wind we're supposed to get from the hurricane/tropical storm

I've been following politics for most of this week and have been neglecting my football-related news. What's the game day forecast?

[kwilk103]

I've been following politics for most of this week and have been neglecting my football-related news. What's the game day forecast?


http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_tropprjpath08_ltst_5nhato_enus_600x405.jpg

[Jonny]

LB Marcus Witherspoon has left Michigan, and he's looking at Rutgers and Tennessee. He said he had clearinghouse issues, but they were a big misunderstanding. He also criticized how RichRod handled the situation.

[Sniper]

His father also criticized how RichRod handled the situation.

Fixed that for you. And so it's Rodriguez's fault that Witherspoon didn't have all the core classes/ACT score/GPA/whatever the hell was needed for Marcus to gain admission to Michigan? Um, okay.

[Sniper]

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809040329

From the perspective of the Witherspoon family, someone dropped the ball -- but who?

"Some say us. I'd say Michigan," Witherspoon Sr. said. "Michigan should have found out before this happened. They had his transcript in May. There's no way he should have been there in June and July and then tell us he's ineligible. If he was ineligible, he would have never went out there. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say something is wrong.

"They waited until July 28 to tell him he was ineligible. If they really wanted him, they would have kept him out there. If they really wanted him, he never would have left or something should have been worked out. It just doesn't make sense."


However, right above that is this little snippet

According to Michigan beat writer Mark Snyder of the Detroit Free Press, it's not uncommon for the clearinghouse to rule on eligibility until as late as mid-August at times. It's the NCAA that rules on eligibility, not the university.

Whoopsiedaisy Mr. Witherspoon.

[Jonny]

I don't really care, I was just saying that because the WVU fans probably would.

[Sniper]

I don't really care, I was just saying that because the WVU fans probably would.

Well then I apologize.

[josh07039]

Wow the Big East sucks ass. Seems like anyone can win it this year.

[Canadian_kid16]

Wow the Big East sucks ass. Seems like anyone can win it this year.


I agree, USF only winning in OT, WVU losing, Cincy getting beat by more then I expected

It'll be exciting at least

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Matt Grothe is like Peter Griffin in that episode where he stole that Mel Gibson movie, and he drives into the mall, and Lois asks him "WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM", and the Matt is like

"Relax, how many times have I done this before", and Lois is like "Be Careful."



God. He looked awesome for 70% of the UCF game, an improvement.

[Sniper]

I agree, USF only winning in OT, WVU losing, Cincy getting beat by more then I expected



Rich Rodriguez is the cause of all this.

[josh07039]

Rich Rodriguez is the cause of all this.
He is Beelzebub, the prince of darkness, Satan, the devil.

[Sniper]

He is Beelzebub, the prince of darkness, Satan, the devil.

He's a hispanic version of Ty Willingham

[josh07039]

No human being can be compared to Rich Rodriguez because no one comes close to his level of evil.

[Jughead10]

And 4-5 years ago you couldn't give away tickets and the place was empty. I just don't see this team sustaining its success it had for basically a season and a half. When they start losing games again, people will stop showing up.

I stand by this statement. They will regret building this extension.

[kwilk103]

didnt they only raise 92k so far?

[Jonny]

No, because Gov. Corzine donated $1 million.

I still disagree. Fans are still interested, a decade ago no one would care if the team had a bad loss.

[Jughead10]

No, because Gov. Corzine donated $1 million.

I still disagree. Fans are still interested, a decade ago no one would care if the team had a bad loss.

I agree that's a step. People care that they are losing. Although I don't know why more didn't see this coming. However if they keep on losing, which I think they will, people will lose interest. Will it ever go back to the way it was, probably not. But the stadium won't be selling out, and they will still regreat building this addition to the stadium at the expenses they have already made. Especially when Schiano leaves in a year or two.

[kwilk103]

it was a bad part to expand after 1 good year

wvu has talked about expanding from about 65k to 70-75k, but wants to see if we keep up the success for about 10-15 yrs

[Jonny]

I agree that's a step. People care that they are losing. Although I don't know why more didn't see this coming. However if they keep on losing, which I think they will, people will lose interest. Will it ever go back to the way it was, probably not. But the stadium won't be selling out, and they will still regreat building this addition to the stadium at the expenses they have already made. Especially when Schiano leaves in a year or two.

You honestly don't think the team can draw 50,000 fans? I'd agree that we shouldn't go crazy with expansion, but 50,000 is hardly a huge crowd. Rutgers can easily draw that number of fans even if the worst happens.

Why is Schiano going to leave? Who's going to want him now?

[Jughead10]

You honestly don't think the team can draw 50,000 fans? I'd agree that we shouldn't go crazy with expansion, but 50,000 is hardly a huge crowd. Rutgers can easily draw that number of fans even if the worst happens.

Why is Schiano going to leave? Who's going to want him now?

I do think if Rutgers goes back to a .500 team or slightly below .500 team in a crappy Big East conference it will have trouble drawing 50,000 in future years.

I still think Schiano is a good coach. Penn State will still want him in my opinion. The problem is recruiting still. Rutgers can't convince the best of the best in NJ to stay in NJ and they can't get big recruits out of state. Yeah they can get 1 guy every year who is a pretty big recruit, but I think Schiano got lucky with the guys he had the past two years. Penn State can recruit itself to some extent. He will be able to coach a better caliber of player.

[Jonny]

Keep your expectations realistic. If RU kept the best players in state, it'd have a top 15 class. So what? This year's class, which I was warning people not to overrate before, still might end up in the top 25. It will be the best class of the Schiano era. If the class holds up, can RU fans really complain about Schiano's best class ever?

[rabbisson]

Rutgers is just an incredibly overrated team IMO. Not that they're terrible, but they're not as good as some think they are.

Teel has the arm, but throws way too many picks. Britt is a pro talent, but he drops too many passes. Their defense is a mess (though I love Manny Abreu's future.)

The ironic thing is that a less flashy team like, say, UCONN, is able to succeed compared to Rutgers. The Big East will probably come down to USF, UCONN, WVU and Cincinnati, and I could any of those teams winning it. USF has been inconsistent, UCONN needs to develop a passing game, WVU has a porous defense, and Cincinnati has a new QB to break in. Still, I'd put my money on USF to win it all.

And right now our conference has a bit more dap thanks to USF, but a UCONN win over UVA would be massive as well.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rutgers is just an incredibly overrated team IMO. Not that they're terrible, but they're not as good as some think they are.

Teel has the arm, but throws way too many picks. Britt is a pro talent, but he drops too many passes. Their defense is a mess (though I love Manny Abreu's future.)

The ironic thing is that a less flashy team like, say, UCONN, is able to succeed compared to Rutgers. The Big East will probably come down to USF, UCONN, WVU and Cincinnati, and I could any of those teams winning it. USF has been inconsistent, UCONN needs to develop a passing game, WVU has a porous defense, and Cincinnati has a new QB to break in. Still, I'd put my money on USF to win it all.

And right now our conference has a bit more dap thanks to USF, but a UCONN win over UVA would be massive as well.

You're overrating UVA by a ton.

[Jonny]

I don't think anyone can say for sure that RU isn't going to right the ship.

Rutgers just landed a big player in Michigan transfer Marcus Witherspoon, who the NCAA has cleared to play immediately.

[rabbisson]

Not for the prestige, but just to show that a Big East team other than USF can beat a major conference opponent.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Not for the prestige, but just to show that a Big East team other than USF can beat a major conference opponent.

So? ECU isn't major conference but Syracuse is. Duke is, BYU isn't. Doesn't affect the quality of the team.

[CherryGarcia510]

Syracuse is a joke. The way they are playing Northeastern may give them a game

[josh07039]

Ive read a lot of the discussion on Rutgers and the stadium project so I'm going to add my two cents in here.

Firstly while I do think the stadium expansion was premature in the sense that we probably won't fill it up every week even if the seats are sold, the idea of a new stadium has told recruits that Rutgers is serious about becoming a football powerhouse. If we can play well enough from this point out, which I believe is possible, we will be getting a very good recruiting class that is not only talented, but talented at one of our biggest weakness our secondary. Finally regarding all my comments thus far, this is just addressing the football aspect and the not the far reaching economic or academic concerns for the university.

Regarding Mike Teel, I think we can all agree that it was not a good game on Thursday, however, I think it was less Teel being awful than Teel not lifting the play of his teammates. He was pressured constantly and suffered from key drops and poor route running. Obviously he still made mistakes on his own, but everyone knows he has zero mobility and needs time to sit in the pocket.

A little more general offense. I want more Jourdon Brooks. He has great burst through the hole and uses good vision to really follow his blockers. The thing I like most about him is that when he finishes a run he falls forward and the defender takes a while to get up. Kenny Britt has been solid but has been dropping a few too many. However, I think that at a certain point you have to just feed him the ball because he is maybe 4-5 inches bigger and at least as fast as ever cb and s guarding him. The thing ive noticed about him lately that i don't like is that he dances side to side too much sometimes and doesn't run forward, he should be following blockers and using his great strength to break tackles. I also feel like Brock needs to be used more but I don't feel that I need to elaborate.

Now the Defense. The secondary is awful. I have never liked Jason and Devin mccourty they refuse to bump recivers at the line even though they lack the instincts or athleticism to be shut down cover corners. They used to get help from Girault and Greene, but girault is gone and greene gained weight and has lost a step. Additionally, their short comings used to be masked by an aggressive blitzing defense. Some of the lack of pressure can be the loss of a lot of talent on the D-line over the last few years, however, I blame this more on Schiano. For some reason he has gotten away from the ultra aggressive blitzing style that made his defense great 2 years ago.

I started this in the part about the defense but Ill continue hear with the coaching in general. Firstly I'll continue with Schiano in general. From the beginning of his career Rutgers has never been able to make adjustments at half time. They are predictable on both offense and defense from beginning to end or the get more conservative as the game goes on. Last year against louisville is a great example; they were pulling out all the stops and took the lead but at half time they let up on the accelerator and just started running up the middle twice and trying to throw for a first on third and long. This type of thing happens all the time. I love Schiano for his ability to sell the program, build the program's prestige and recruit well, however, I have always had problems with his in game decision making. I would just like to say that I don't fully blame Schiano for the teams struggles, but, he hasn't done anything to cover up their weakness and make up for their mistakes.

Finally(I know its been long), I think this team can still rebound based on the weakness of the big east and the talent of this team. I think over the next two weeks they should be able to get to 2-2 and also get to tune up and see if certain starters should be replaced or shifted. I think Rutgers can still go 7-5 or 8-4 if they play up to their potential, obviously a big if but possible.

I have more I could add here and there, but I'm just pissing myself off too much.

RANT OVER

[rabbisson]

UCONN did their job last week, that's all I know.

[Canadian_kid16]

so...if UConn loses today, is USF the Big East's only hope? :\

[Tampa 2 4 life]

so...if UConn loses today, is USF the Big East's only hope? :\

All rests on Matt Grothe's volatile shoulder.

[Forenci]

UConn won, so it's all good. Shouldn't have even been that close, in my opinion Horrible call towards the end of the game which led to Baylor scoring a TD. Butler called for a 'roughing the passer' call that was putrid.

Donald Brown of Heisman! YES!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

UConn won, so it's all good. Shouldn't have even been that close, in my opinion Horrible call towards the end of the game which led to Baylor scoring a TD. Butler called for a 'roughing the passer' call that was putrid.

Donald Brown of Heisman! YES!

This post amuses me. UConn almost lost to Baylor, lol.

[Forenci]

Like I said, it shouldn't have been close.

Regardless, it shall be fun seeing who throws more interceptions. Tyler Lorenzen or Matt Grothe.

We all know Donald Browns owns, by the way.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Come on guys, we need you to be good so our 12-0 looks better.

[Canadian_kid16]

well, at least the Nov 23rd showdown between USF and uConn will be good.

I don't think we as bad a conference as many people are saying because WVU and Rutgers have sucked it up so far...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

well, at least the Nov 23rd showdown between USF and uConn will be good.

I don't think we as bad a conference as many people are saying because WVU and Rutgers have sucked it up so far...

Lorenzen broke his foot. So...

[kwilk103]

rutgers-wvu this week

wvu held marshall to 150 yds; won 27-3; had roughly 500 yds

could have been worse; pat made a mistake, and left 3 on at the end of the half, and brown underthrew an open receiver in the endzone; had the ball inside the 10 at the end of the game, and just kneeled down

we're looking a lot better

rutgers has lost 14 straight vs wvu, and has never won in morgantown

[scottyboy]

rutgers-wvu this week

wvu held marshall to 150 yds; won 27-3; had roughly 500 yds

could have been worse; pat made a mistake, and left 3 on at the end of the half, and brown underthrew an open receiver in the endzone; had the ball inside the 10 at the end of the game, and just kneeled down

we're looking a lot better

rutgers has lost 14 straight vs wvu, and has never won in morgantown

blah blah blah WVU is god blah blah blah. please make another prediction like you did before the ECU game plz.


AND:

Dear Greg Schiano:

Please throw screens to Kenny Britt every play. To the left side so man beast Anthony Davis is the lead man. Kthxbye

[josh07039]

blah blah blah WVU is god blah blah blah. please make another prediction like you did before the ECU game plz.


AND:

Dear Greg Schiano:

Please throw screens to Kenny Britt every play. To the left side so man beast Anthony Davis is the lead man. Kthxbye
Hopefully they dont violate team rules and get suspended again.
This game could easily go either way. Both teams are pretty crappy, but since its a home game for wvu and the fact that we have never stopped pat white im going to say that wvu is favored but not by much. Even though ti was morgan state, we were able to contain a running qb last week. Also we are now able to move the ball because Schiano has finally decided to use Brooks and Martinek. Also, I think Schiano has realized that Teel should not be the focus of the offense which is another great realization. I have no confidence whatsoever in this team, but I wont count them out because I do believe they are more talented then they have shown.

[NGSeiler]

blah blah blah WVU is god blah blah blah. please make another prediction like you did before the ECU game plz.

Well that was a convincing argument. :p

For as poorly as WVU's defense played against ECU and even against 'Nova, they've now gone seven straight quarters without allowing a touchdown. They're starting to improve IMO, starting to get some confidence back. Reed Williams' return to the line-up has been big for this team. Ellis Lankster is emerging as a strong player in the secondary with an added bonus on special teams, when he's not muffing the catch. The Thundering Herd came to Morgantown averaging five yards a carry on the ground and could only muster 1.6 per attempt when it was all said and done.

Incorporating Jarrett Brown for more offensive snaps was shaky at first this weekend but gave the offense a new dynamic as the game progressed. Brown recovered from an early interception to show he could lead this offense as well; his late game pass to Sanders towards the right sideline was a thing of beauty. Hopefully he'll keep White from taking too much of a beating on the ground. Speaking of, Devine was a monster running the ball, in part thanks to better blocking but also because of his determination to simply not go down after first contact. WVU receivers are starting to get into the mix as well.

It seems to me like WVU is getting back on track after an early season gut check, but they can't make the mistake of overlooking Rutgers in the process even if they've never left Morgantown with a victory.

[kwilk103]

our defense is really coming together...they played fired up, especially reed and the dbs

sands and hogan can really hit; so can lankster

[kwilk103]

ugh, apparently reed williams is in a lot of pain (recovering from double shoulder surgery)

its likely he will either redshirt or get a medical redshirt, and will be back next year

[NGSeiler]

ugh, apparently reed williams is in a lot of pain (recovering from double shoulder surgery)

its likely he will either redshirt or get a medical redshirt, and will be back next year

Yikes, Reed has been the spark that's reignited this defense when he came back for the Colorado game. If he's done for the rest of the year, that worries me. Ivy or Thomas will have to step up.

[703SKINS202]

Blah, this sucks.

[Forenci]

Ah, what else is new, UConn and USF having to carry the Big East once again..

Hmm, that kind of sounds familiar.

[Jonny]

UConn carrying the Big East? Don't make us laugh.

[kwilk103]

Ah, what else is new, UConn and USF having to carry the Big East once again..

Hmm, that kind of sounds familiar.

um, what?

i think its been wvu carrying the big east

[Tampa 2 4 life]

um, what?

i think its been wvu carrying the big east

Except when you lose to us.

[kwilk103]

and yet, we still win our bcs game, and you lose to oregon in a mid-level bowl

[Tampa 2 4 life]

and yet, we still win our bcs game, and you lose to oregon in a mid-level bowl

Because one LB left the team, other suffered a concussion, and we had to play the nickle the entire second half against Jonathon Stewart.


By the way, you don't have RR's recruiting anymore, WVU is done.

[kwilk103]

Because one LB left the team, other suffered a concussion, and we had to play the nickle the entire second half against Jonathon Stewart.


By the way, you don't have RR's recruiting anymore, WVU is done.


um, have you seen our recruiting under stew?

its gonna be our highest ranked class ever

[kwilk103]

apparently jabu lovelace is out with a broken leg

[Jonny]

yeah that's old news, he isn't any good anyway

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If we don't beat Pitt I will be pissed.

[scottyboy]

apparently jabu lovelace is out with a broken leg

that happened like a week and a half ago. He can't throw an accurate ball for ****. Honestly, if he came in and did a fake draw and bomb to Kenny, Tiquan or Timmy, he'd be a better weapon instead of the D brining 11 guys intthe box when Jabu came in...

[josh07039]

On Saturday I want Rutgers' first offensive play to be a bomb to Britt. I think we need to take risks and we can't count on going into their house with the same old typical stuff and win.

[Jughead10]

On Saturday I want Rutgers' first offensive play to be a bomb to Britt. I think we need to take risks and we can't count on going into their house with the same old typical stuff and win.

Just look foward to the Army game.

[josh07039]

Just look foward to the Army game.Im going to go through this season with blind, unwarranted optimism.
WVU=W
Cinci=W
Uconn=W
Pitt=W
Cuse=W
USF=W
Army=W
Ville=W

Don't lose faith. The Big East sucks. We are running the table. Put it in the books.

[kwilk103]

Im going to go through this season with blind, unwarranted optimism.
WVU=W
Cinci=W
Uconn=W
Pitt=W
Cuse=W
USF=W
Army=W
Ville=W

Don't lose faith. The Big East sucks. We are running the table. Put it in the books.

lol; no way that happens

[josh07039]

lol; no way that happens
Until it doesn't, I can say whatever I want.

[Sniper]

um, have you seen our recruiting under stew?

its gonna be our highest ranked class ever

Not unless Stewart lands some more skill. Your class is ranked #29 by Rivals. By comparison, you'd need more talent to be higher ranked than the '07 class, ranked #23 by Rivals. And until you get a guy who can coach, you could have 20 straight #1 classes and not do anything with it. Maybe there's a reason why Rodriguez never had White pass downfield...

[scottyboy]

lol; no way that happens

like you're one to "lol" at someone elses predictions. how're all those blowouts you predicted looking?

[kwilk103]

Not unless Stewart lands some more skill. Your class is ranked #29 by Rivals. By comparison, you'd need more talent to be higher ranked than the '07 class, ranked #23 by Rivals. And until you get a guy who can coach, you could have 20 straight #1 classes and not do anything with it. Maybe there's a reason why Rodriguez never had White pass downfield...

i think we will consistenly recruit better than rodriguez did here

we have very good chance at getting askew, moses, and tavon austin

i think we end up top 20; our main competition for askew/moses is tennessee, and they're having coaching issues (mainly will fulmer last the year)

austin i think is between us/maryland; maryland took porzel, who is like austin, only not as shifty

[Sniper]

i think we will consistenly recruit better than rodriguez did here

we have very good chance at getting askew, moses, and tavon austin

i think we end up top 20; our main competition for askew/moses is tennessee, and they're having coaching issues (mainly will fulmer last the year)

austin i think is between us/maryland; maryland took porzel, who is like austin, only not as shifty

The thing is, stars aren't as big of a deal for Rodriguez. He just needs fast mofos to fit his scheme. As you know all too well, guys like White, Slaton, Reynaud, Schmitt et al weren't very highly recruited. But Rodriguez proved at WVU he didn't need to light up the Rivals/Scout team rankings to win. Stewart has tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by trying to get Pat White to throw so much.

There probably isn't a more valuable player to his team than Pat White, but he's been grossly misused this year. Like it or not, White has zero future in the NFL as a QB (I actually think he should try to be a RB if he can put on some weight). You and NGSeiler both went bat **** when I said his performance against 'Nova wasn't all that impressive because well, it was 'Nova. Turns out, maybe, just maybe, that I was right. Yes, your OL wasn't good, but the fact still remains that White is averaging almost two full yards less per attempt than his previous low, which was his freshman year. That's not downfield passing. Against Colorado, he averaged slightly above 3 ypa. That's beyond atrocious.

Your main competition for Moses isn't Tennessee. It's the NCAA Clearinghouse and his test scores. I don't know much about Askew, nor will I pretend to.

[kwilk103]

agree with you there

we've heard moses is a lot better off than he was in the summer; he retook the classes he needed to

i feel real good about askew

[kwilk103]

and it wouldnt surprise me if white chose baseball

if the money was right, i could see him goin mlb

[Sniper]

and it wouldnt surprise me if white chose baseball

if the money was right, i could see him goin mlb

Everyone talks about him going WR, but why wouldn't anyone use his running skills at RB?

[Jonny]

White runs more like WR.

[Smooth Criminal]

Pitt scored a huge win over USF. Any reason to think Pitt can't win this Big East? They beat a damn good WVU team last season and #10 USF.

I can see them sweeping the Big East this season.

[kwilk103]

Pitt scored a huge win over USF. Any reason to think Pitt can't win this Big East? They beat a damn good WVU team last season and #10 USF.

I can see them sweeping the Big East this season.


dave wannstedt

[Sniper]

dave wannstedt

is a better coach than Bill Stewart

[Hokie_Pokie08]

i think we will consistenly recruit better than rodriguez did here

we have very good chance at getting askew, moses, and tavon austin

i think we end up top 20; our main competition for askew/moses is tennessee, and they're having coaching issues (mainly will fulmer last the year)

austin i think is between us/maryland; maryland took porzel, who is like austin, only not as shifty

Everything that I have heard about Moses is Alabama, Florida, or Georgia. Basically SEC for Moses. It might have changed, but I am not buying it.

You are neglecting to mention Maryland when talking about Askew. I still think that is where he and Tim Smith end up at.

WVU is probably being talked about by those guys, but I don't think they will land those two players.

[NGSeiler]

You and NGSeiler both went bat ****

Not quite. We simply tried to get you to admit that, even if the competition wasn't great, White's throwing was impressive given the fact that Rod never let him throw the ball and he's always been considered a running QB.

Go back and read the thread; our posts were rational (ie. no one went bat ****) and we also weren't the only ones who made that claim about White's play, either.

Everyone talks about him going WR, but why wouldn't anyone use his running skills at RB?

I doubt he could hold up as a pro running back, to be honest. He'd be a situational player at best. Maybe that's all he is at WR as well, but I'd think teams would rather take advantage of his skills there with the occasional reverse or option pass.

[Sniper]

Not quite. We simply tried to get you to admit that, even if the competition wasn't great, White's throwing was impressive given the fact that Rod never let him throw the ball and he's always been considered a running QB.

Judging by the attempts to pass this year, Rodriguez knew what was up. White IS a running QB. He can't throw,

I doubt he could hold up as a pro running back, to be honest. He'd be a situational player at best. Maybe that's all he is at WR as well, but I'd think teams would rather take advantage of his skills there with the occasional reverse or option pass.

He's just so much fun to watch in the open field. So graceful and elusive. If he packed on some weight, I think there's potential as a RB. Just my opinion. Or at least a punt/kick returner

[NGSeiler]

Judging by the attempts to pass this year, Rodriguez knew what was up. White IS a running QB. He can't throw,

I've never understood why people make such extreme statements that by their very nature are not factually accurate. Are you saying Pat White physically cannot throw a football? No? So provide some nuance.

No one's suggesting he's a great passing quarterback, but I think there's enough between the 'Nova and Marshall games to suggest he can be efficient enough throwing the ball. That still needs to translate into games against better opponents, but there are more factors besides White's arm that have been responsible for that.

What he really needs at this point is a reliable passing option to emerge. I bet he'd love to have Darius Reynaud back for one more season.

He's just so much fun to watch in the open field. So graceful and elusive. If he packed on some weight, I think there's potential as a RB. Just my opinion. Or at least a punt/kick returner

You'd have to think given how much WVU runs him that if he could bulk up a bit without seeing dropoffs in speed or agility, he'd have done it.

[NGSeiler]

Don't lose faith. The Big East sucks. We are running the table. Put it in the books.

And then proceed to file that book in the Fiction section of the library. :p

Kidding aside, that was a good game today. Went right up until the end, and Rutgers had me nervous all day. WVU's defense I thought played fairly well w/o Reed Williams, but Britt had a huge day for Rutgers as everything was going his way. The Scarlet Knights are not playing like a team with a 1-4 record, but I'm glad WVU came out with a hard fought win.

In the time between now and next week's game, I'm going to be waiting for Coach Stewart to explain why on 4th & Inches, he had Jarrett Brown lined up in the shotgun running off tackle. :mad:

[kwilk103]

thats the only call i really disagree with

for only playing cb for a month or two, hogan is really impressive; him and sands both; they can really hit too

our defense will be really really good next year

losing lankster, ivy, liebig

but we have some freshman dline that are rs, some good young lbers, and finau will be a huge addition

oline needs some serious work; they're gettin blown off the ball every play

lankster did good against brown/underwood; held them to 2 catches

oh, nice helmet-to-helmet hit on pat that gave him a concussion and knocked him out of the game

big east refs are horrible

[scottyboy]

thats the only call i really disagree with

for only playing cb for a month or two, hogan is really impressive; him and sands both; they can really hit too

our defense will be really really good next year

losing lankster, ivy, liebig

but we have some freshman dline that are rs, some good young lbers, and finau will be a huge addition

oline needs some serious work; they're gettin blown off the ball every play

lankster did good against brown/underwood; held them to 2 catches

oh, nice helmet-to-helmet hit on pat that gave him a concussion and knocked him out of the game

big east refs are horrible

are you ******* kidding me? D'Imperio tackled im from behing and McCourty's knee hit White in the helmet.

and the refs are horrible, totally butchering the 12 men on the field call

Brown got thrown to like twice, and Teel is a ******* idiot and he sucks.

[kwilk103]

it looked like helmet-to-helmet from my seats

dont know why schiano challenged that 12 men on the field (he called a to there)

it was 4th and 6 on the 24; so, even if its called its 4th and 1 from the 29

unless you go for it, it was a bad challenge

[NGSeiler]

and the refs are horrible, totally butchering the 12 men on the field call

Yeah, it was pretty ugly on both sides yesterday.

[kwilk103]

trying to figure out why rutgers kept going deep

the middle was our weakness, and our defensive mvp is out for the year

rutgers could have dinked and dunked their way down the field

[Jonny]

I was furious at those two consecutive go routes.

I don't know what exactly they could do because Teel can't really be trusted with anything right now, unless he's praying that Britt (who rules) bails him out. They had been able to run in other games, but they reshuffled the OL before the game and they didn't play very well. In the second half they put a true freshman in at RT and the running game looked worse.

[SuperKevin]

I honestly don't think any Big East team deserves the automatic BCS bid. Hopefully Pittsburgh finishes the season strong and makes me change my mind

[Shane P. Hallam]

I honestly don't think any Big East team deserves the automatic BCS bid. Hopefully Pittsburgh finishes the season strong and makes me change my mind

If they play like they did in that last drive vs. USF, calm, poised, ready to come back, then it is def. possible.

[kwilk103]

I honestly don't think any Big East team deserves the automatic BCS bid. Hopefully Pittsburgh finishes the season strong and makes me change my mind

hmmm, isnt the big east 3-0 in the last 3 bcs bowl games they've played in? beating the sec, acc, and big 12 champs?

and the acc 0-9 their last 9 bcs bowls? with their last victory being a miami victory when they were in the big east???

[SuperKevin]

hmmm, isnt the big east 3-0 in the last 3 bcs bowl games they've played in? beating the sec, acc, and big 12 champs?

and the acc 0-9 their last 9 bcs bowls? with their last victory being a miami victory when they were in the big east???

Yeah but the Big East this year is disgusting and even the homers can't argue that.

[kwilk103]

Yeah but the Big East this year is disgusting and even the homers can't argue that.

so, its just a year to year thing?

what about '05 when the acc champ was 7-5? should have had their bid taken away

[scottyboy]

Yeah but the Big East this year is disgusting and even the homers can't argue that.

yep, the big east is gross. There is no good QB in the big east, they all blow. Pitt is too hot and cold, Teel is single handedly bringing down RU, same with Grothe and USF(i think), Uconn is *** and hasn't looked real good or dominant(haven't played a real team yet either), WVU just isn't good this year, and cincy won't win the BE with their 12903th string QB. eww gross. terrible year

[SuperKevin]

so, its just a year to year thing?

what about '05 when the acc champ was 7-5? should have had their bid taken away

Yes it's a year to year thing because last I checked, last year's records didn't affect this year's records in any way.

[Hokie_Pokie08]

so, its just a year to year thing?

what about '05 when the acc champ was 7-5? should have had their bid taken away

The ACC was just following the Big Easts lead on sending a team an 8 win team to a BCS bowl game.

[p_funk]

thats the only call i really disagree with
So you thought the squib kick before halftime was a good idea?

[kwilk103]

i've seen other teams do it before the half

defense played prevent the last 30 sec is what cost us

steelers did it last night

[p_funk]

Most teams do it when there is only about 10-20 seconds left on the clock. Not with 50 seconds left and the other teams has 2 timeouts. I just think that let Rutgers get some much needed confidence before the half.

[josh07039]

Can anyone give me a little summary of Cinci? Outside of their inexperienced qb and their awesome cbs, I'm not really familiar with the team.

[NGSeiler]

WVU was lucky to get by Syracuse today. The offense was unimaginative and predictable, saved only by the effort of Noel Devine and his 188 rushing yards. Jarrett Brown looked off to say the least, though he wasn't exactly helped out by an offensive coordinator who seemed to feel the first down marker was at the sideline rather than in front of him. Thankfully this team has nearly two weeks to get ready for Auburn, as they're going to need to do some work.

[kwilk103]

brown sucked big time today

missed some wide open receivers, and didnt look down field after he struggled early

[SuperKevin]

I think Cincinnati is the top team in the Big East right now. Even with a freshman QB they are playing efficient enough on offense to win ball games behind that strong defense of theirs.

[SuperKevin]

Can anyone give me a little summary of Cinci? Outside of their inexperienced qb and their awesome cbs, I'm not really familiar with the team.

Very strong WRs in Gilyard, Goodman, and Barnett. The 3 of them are good enough to bail their frshman QB out of trouble.

[kwilk103]

ngseiler, apparently brown had a shoulder injury and hardly practiced all week; it affected his accuracy, according to beatty

they were seriously considering 2 options:

1. wildcat all game with devine/sanders
2. start 3rd string qb bradly starks

but brown decided to play

devine also cramped up the 2nd half

thank goodness we have 12 days to get healthy

[NGSeiler]

ngseiler, apparently brown had a shoulder injury and hardly practiced all week; it affected his accuracy, according to beatty

they were seriously considering 2 options:

1. wildcat all game with devine/sanders
2. start 3rd string qb bradly starks

but brown decided to play

devine also cramped up the 2nd half

thank goodness we have 12 days to get healthy

Wow, didn't know that. I knew his right thigh was hurting him because I saw them pad that up early in the game, but no clue about the shoulder. You're right, I'm glad they've got some time before Auburn to get healthy.

[kwilk103]

white failed his neurological test friday night

will play against auburn

[josh07039]

Very strong WRs in Gilyard, Goodman, and Barnett. The 3 of them are good enough to bail their frshman QB out of trouble.I found that out the hard way, thanks though.

[NGSeiler]

Big East Standings as of 10/26...

CON OVR
-------------------------------
West Virginia 2-0 5-2
Connecticut 2-1 6-2
Pittsburgh 2-1 5-2
Rutgers 2-2 3-5
Louisville 1-1 5-2
Cincinnati 1-1 5-2
South Florida 1-2 6-2
Syracuse 0-3 1-6

[Notredameleo]

Go Cards!!!!

[NGSeiler]

Didn't get a chance to catch tonight's game, any thoughts from BE fans? Sounds like Grothe had a tough one. Bulls now 1-3 in the conference, sounds like their title chances are about done.

[SuperKevin]

Didn't get a chance to catch tonight's game, any thoughts from BE fans? Sounds like Grothe had a tough one.

Cincinnati looked really good today. Connor Barwin will be a combine monster and end up a 2nd round pick

[NGSeiler]

Big East teams playing tomorrow (well, today):

WVU @ #25 Connecticut
Pittsburgh @ Notre Dame
Louisville @ Syracuse

[NGSeiler]

Big East Standings as of 11/14...

CON OVR
-------------------------------
#21 Pittsburgh 3-1 7-2
#22 Cincinnati 3-1 7-2
West Virginia 3-1 6-3
Rutgers 3-2 4-5
Connecticut 2-2 6-3
South Florida 1-3 6-3
Louisville 1-3 5-4
Syracuse 1-4 2-7

[kwilk103]

top 3 all have a chance to win it

i think ul pulls off the upset tonight

[Canadian_kid16]

top 3 all have a chance to win it

i hope ul pulls off the upset tonight

pretty sure I fixed it for you ;)

[NGSeiler]

Yikes, USF down 21-10 at home against Rutgers going into halftime.

[scottyboy]

here we go RU! let's make a push in the Big east!!!

normally we trip up in BE play and do well in OOC(last 2 years or so at least) and this year has been a role reversal. hmm

[josh07039]

here we go RU! let's make a push in the Big east!!!

normally we trip up in BE play and do well in OOC(last 2 years or so at least) and this year has been a role reversal. hmmI'm amazed and ecstatic about the huge run they've gone on, but I keep thinking what could have been if we had won even 2 of those 3 winnable games. Probably cinci and navy because we can never beat wvu regardless of qb.

[NGSeiler]

Wow, WVU got screwed on the review of that Jarrett Brown TD run... unbelievable...

[Giantsfan1080]

Great run at the end for everyone.

[SuperKevin]

I hope Cincy enjoys their BCS bowl because they won't be going back next year. They lose EVERYONE on defense.