New Orleans Saints Draft thread

[Sveen]

what did the trade up cost?

Our 4th and 6th.

Updated draft grade: C-/D+

[SaintsFanForLife]

At least it was a good "need" pick.

[zachsaints52]

This pick is too little too late for me :/

[zachsaints52]

vindication tastes sooooooooooooooooo sweet!!!!

1) gresham---probably the most surefire offensive talent besides clausen

3)danario alexander---if he falls to the second day (second round)

give the saints rob gronkowski or danario alexander with that pick.

saints would prefer terrance cody but gronkowski or alexander or too good to pass up.

i like weathespoon but i don't think that he is more talented than his own teamate danario alexander nor rob gronkowski.

i'd take dan williams at 32 myself if i didnt believe that

dezmon briscoe
danario alexander
rob gronkowski
antony mccoy

would be much better players for the saints in round one.

if brian price fell that far i would eat my shoes with duck sauce.

Please don't gloat because you got one thing right.... Got the duck sauce ready?

[Sveen]

Look for us to trade into the draft for a pick next year. Has done it the last to years (Arrington, Morestead).

[CJSchneider]

I agree Sveen. Still some very good late round value available.

[Sveen]

I can see us getting a RB before it's all said and done. Maybe a guy like Blount, Dwyer or Charles Scott.

[Sveen]

Just gave up our 4th next year and are now on the clock.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Look for us to trade into the draft for a pick next year. Has done it the last to years (Arrington, Morestead).

good call here is the move to 158 for matt tennant

[Sveen]

Matt Tennant. I like the pick, even though we gave up our 4th next year.

Draft grade: C

[wicket]

even at a kinda steep price i like the pick
basicly tennant was worth a fourth anyway so getting him a year early is worth it

[CJSchneider]

Good pick - this makes our run blocking potential go up and really makes PT a bigger weapon.

[Sveen]

We are starting to pick it up now. Too bad the there was a day 1 and 2.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I like the pick. Do you guys think he will start this year?

[Sveen]

Nah, I don't see him beating out Goodwin just yet. Maybe late in the season, must most likely next season.

[wicket]

I like the pick. Do you guys think he will start this year?

at the very least he could push goodwin imo

[Sveen]

Absolutely. Great addition!

[zachsaints52]

Really like the pick.

[Saints-Tigers]

If the Saints took Al Woods, it's because they don't question his work ethic and maturity, which are the only question marks to him hitting his huge potential. Could be a Carl Nicks type situation here!

Leggarette Blount or Dekoda Watson?

What LBs do you think could make a splash at this point?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Not any IMO.

[SaintsFanForLife]

The latest rumor making the rounds on the third day of the NFL draft centers on Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman, and since we've heard from readers who want to know whether San Diego will trade Merriman to New Orleans, we're exploring the matter.

According to Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, the rumor that Merriman will be a Saint is false.

"No truth to them," Duncan tweeted. "Just another bad rumor."


If this has a chance to being true how would you guys feel about Lights out?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Canfield, Sean .......Really? I guess its a good value for late 7th.

[Sveen]

Canfield? Really? Why not Jarrett Brown or Jevan Snead?

[wicket]

Canfield I actually kinda like. Guys is a gamer. Snead is a *explicite* and Brown doesnt really fit what Payton likes to do all that well. I like the pick if a qb is needed.

What i really dont understand is how the saints can come away from this draft with 0 linebackers and only 2 defensive picks. Overall grade for me would be C although its a long way up from yesterday

[SaintsFanForLife]

I guess we can just play Dime on D all the time since other than Vilma we have zero big talent at LB.

[Sveen]

With Canfield I'll give us a C-. Only really good pick is Matt Tennant. Patrick Robinson and Al Woods are OK. Charles Brown, Jimmy Graham and Sean Canfield are bad.

[wicket]

I guess we can just play Dime on D all the time since other than Vilma we have zero big talent at LB.

I introduce to you the 5-1-5 D

We'll play:

Brown - Hargrove - Woods - Ellis - Smith
-------------------Vilma
Porter----Gai------Harper--Jankins-Greer

[CJSchneider]

Our LB Corp is ******!

[wicket]

stanley arnoux better be really studly

[CJSchneider]

I can only describe myself as ill right now. Overall, this is not what I wanted at all.

[Sveen]

Saints | Jason Beauchamp signed
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:35:41 -0400

The New Orleans Saints have signed undrafted free-agent LB Jason Beauchamp (Nevada-Las Vegas), according to Daniel Mogollon, of NFLDraftBible.com. Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

[Saints-Tigers]

I really really like every player drafted, save for Canfield.

We still just have a gaping hole at OLB, but other than that, we added a ton of great players.

If Jammal is moved for an OLB, and Sharper doesn't resign, then this draft looks amazing.

Otherwise, we have 3 guys with huge upside for our first 3 picks, and drafting for need can get you in trouble a lot.

It isn't likely that the rookies will come straight in as impact starters either way.

If we make a move for an OLB, I'll be fine with it, if we go to bat with Arnoux/Dunbar battling for the OLB spot, I'll be worried.

[zachsaints52]

Our draft blows. End of story. Not one starter, when we had a couple of places a starter could have been brought in.

[wicket]

Just a game for good fun. If you could decide who was picked at any of the picks (given the trades) who would you pick?

for me:
1 Kindle
2 Bowman
3 Griffen
4 Woods
5 Tennant
7 Zac Robinson

[Bosanac01]

It's funny how everyone is upset with their teams picks but loving others. Falcons fans, myself included, thought you guys had a great draft.


Oh and spoon says hi.

[wicket]

It's funny how everyone is upset with their teams picks but loving others. Falcons fans, myself included, thought you guys had a great draft.


Oh and spoon says hi.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

but seriously, who of the players the saints drafted would actually improve the team in the upcoming two seasons.

spoiler alert: the answer is maybe woods or tennant but noone else

[wicket]

just watched 'highlights' on patrick robinson again and I seriously think the saints got a better player in udfa junior galette then where they spend their first rounder on. really lost for words on that pick still

[CJSchneider]

It's funny how everyone is upset with their teams picks but loving others. Falcons fans, myself included, thought you guys had a great draft.


Oh and spoon says hi.

See, now I have to hope Spoon blows out a knee or something. It's not that I dislike the players we took. You have to admit, we got great value for our picks. What I don't like is that I don't feel like we addressed obvious team needs.

[superman8456]

just watched 'highlights' on patrick robinson again and I seriously think the saints got a better player in udfa junior galette then where they spend their first rounder on. really lost for words on that pick still

I treat Mike Mayocks word on DB's like the gospel, and he was very high on Robinson. Mayock said Robinson had the "best feet in the draft". I think he could be quite a player.

[Flyboy]

I really really like every player drafted, save for Canfield.

We still just have a gaping hole at OLB, but other than that, we added a ton of great players.

If Jammal is moved for an OLB, and Sharper doesn't resign, then this draft looks amazing.

Otherwise, we have 3 guys with huge upside for our first 3 picks, and drafting for need can get you in trouble a lot.

It isn't likely that the rookies will come straight in as impact starters either way.

If we make a move for an OLB, I'll be fine with it, if we go to bat with Arnoux/Dunbar battling for the OLB spot, I'll be worried.

I'm with S-T. We did what we always do in the draft, add more talent to our team and not rely on what we need to dictate it. Now, I do think we definitely need an upgrade at OLB but otherwise I LOVE what we did. The value for the picks we selected was great.

[wicket]

I treat Mike Mayocks word on DB's like the gospel, and he was very high on Robinson. Mayock said Robinson had the "best feet in the draft". I think he could be quite a player.

im not saying i know better or anything but the kind of tackles he missed worried me a lot. Im done discussing that a corner shouldnt have been drafted anyway but his lack of physicallity and the terrible tackling just makes me wonder. He looks like a better athlete than football player

[zachsaints52]

"And starting at OLB is Stanely Arnoux, 2nd year player from Wake Forest"

Does that not worry others as much as me?

Also, Spoon to the Falcons and Norwood to the Saints has pissed me off

[wicket]

"And starting at OLB is Stanely Arnoux, 2nd year player from Wake Forest"

Does that not worry others as much as me?

Also, Spoon to the Falcons and Norwood to the Saints has pissed me off

freudian slip??

[Morton]

Question: If the Colts passed on Jerry Hughes, would he be a Saint right now?

Also, why didn't you guys take Sergio Kindle at #32?

Seems to me that LB/DE need > CB need for the Saints, no?

[wicket]

Question: If the Colts passed on Jerry Hughes, would he be a Saint right now?

Also, why didn't you guys take Sergio Kindle at #32?

Seems to me that LB/DE need > CB need for the Saints, no?

I think that the saints passed on kindle due to injury concerns and would think hughes would have been a saints if he was there. Corner wasnt a need at all so year both linebacker and DEnd are way bigger needs. I think he would be a slb for the saints if he was here. But then again there are like 40 players id take over robinson at 32

[CJSchneider]

Yeah, there has to be a bigger issue regarding Kindle's knees. I think the Colt's snatched Hughes right out from under us, and he probably would be a Saint if Indy hadn't picked him.

[Sveen]

The Saints were prepared to take TCU rush specialist Jerry Hughes at No. 32 when the Colts nabbed him right from under their noses at No. 31.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/04/new_orleans_saints_still_have.html

[wicket]

so they should, luckily they didnt totally lose their minds

[nofalcons10]

Please don't gloat because you got one thing right.... Got the duck sauce ready?


no linebackers in the entire draft, spooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D

i also told you guys to watch out for junior galette.



look at my original mock draft. i warned you that TE and DT would be big targets. danario alexander slipped because he had another surgery but any missouri fan would still tell you that he was probably their best player last year.



go ahead and pat yourself on the back for your center pick. matt tennant, LMAO. oh the shoe tasted good only because the jags reached for alualu. we'll see how that works out. :p :p :p :p

[nofalcons10]

spoooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

[zachsaints52]

no linebackers in the entire draft, spooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D

i also told you guys to watch out for junior galette.



look at my original mock draft. i warned you that TE and DT would be big targets. danario alexander slipped because he had another surgery but any missouri fan would still tell you that he was probably their best player last year.



go ahead and pat yourself on the back for your center pick. matt tennant, LMAO. oh the shoe tasted good only because the jags reached for alualu. we'll see how that works out. :p :p :p :p

I wondered why noone liked you in the first place.... But seriously I think we all agreed on DT didn't we? And wow no OLB's I think you said with Fujita here we didn't need a OLB... well he isn;t here, so what now Mr. Know-It-All? And yeah, when Spoon keeps doing well against us best believe I will mass your inbox.

[wicket]

As stolen from somewhere else, how many starters will the Saints have drafted. Not saying instant starters, but how many guys will start like 2-3 years down the road.

[CJSchneider]

From this year's draft alone?

[Pick6TheSaintWay]

Brown, Woods, Tennant

[zachsaints52]

Robinson will probably spot start, because not many people go 2-3 years straight without injury, Brown will probably, Woods definately will, Tennant will once Goodwins contract is done, Canfield no way, and maybe Graham if he develops.

[diabsoule]

I think we potentially have four: Robinson, Brown, Graham, and Tennant.

Robinson because in two to three years Greer will be 30 and 31 respectively, which should open the door for Robinson based on his development as a corner.

Brown seems a lock to be the future LT especially if Jammal Brown is moved since he is reportedly on the trading block.

Graham's future as a starter all depends on his development but if he does turn out to be the player that many are expecting, and with Shockey's inability to stay healthy over the course of a season and that he will be 31 to 32 in 2-3 years, makes Graham a lock to be our next starting TE.

Tennant should be a starter sooner than later especially if he lives up to his status as one of the best centers in this draft.

[Saints-Tigers]

I was going to say the ones Diabsoule did. Greer is already an injury concern and he's not going to get any faster with age.

Woods has a chance, if he can stay motivated he'll probably be a really good starter.

Tennant and Brown are locks, Graham needs some development, but he's a freak.

[Sveen]

Al Woods, Matt Tennant, Charles Brown

[diabsoule]

Who I want in the draft:

1st round - Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
2nd round - Jerrell Powe, DT, Ole Miss
3rd round - Casey Matthews, OLB, Oregon
3rd round - Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi St.

I also wouldn't mind a running back somewhere in there.

[Saints-Tigers]

I'd love that draft a lot.

[CJSchneider]

Who I want in the draft:

1st round - Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
2nd round - Jerrell Powe, DT, Ole Miss
3rd round - Casey Matthews, OLB, Oregon
3rd round - Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi St.

I also wouldn't mind a running back somewhere in there.

I'd poop my own britches if that happened.


What FA's do you guys see us targeting this year?

[diabsoule]

I'd poop my own britches if that happened.


What FA's do you guys see us targeting this year?

I need to look at some of the FA's that are available. I know there are some OLB's that I would like to see us target as well as DE/DL. However, I know that the Saints are not a team to put a lot of money on free agents. Brees is an exception since we needed a quarterback. He has been the only big money FA that we have brought in since Vilma and Shockey were traded for.

Once I look at a list of key free agents that are available I'll get back to you, however, I do know that my own dream signing would be for us to sign DeAngelo Williams.

[zachsaints52]

Im sorry guys but Id love to get Julio Jones still. Call me crazy but I still don't see us having a dynamic WR who is a game changer.

With that being said, we need OLB/DT help. Go figure huh? The game Harper played I dont know if I want us to resign him.

[Saints-Tigers]

I really really really think he'd be a dynamic OLB. You don't want him taking on blocks EVERY play, but he'd be a nice cover guy for an OLB, and he's still a powerful tackler and fumble forcer, and a pretty damn strong blitzer, definitely better than Shanle/Dunbar.

There are worse things than having Harper on the field, even if we bring in another safety, he can help out a lot of ways, and is a flexible piece that can move into the box.

I think young OLBs can come in and contribute almost immediately at a high level, that's why I'm an advocate of drafting them, but getting a veteran DT would do wonders, even if we don't get a stud, I like Ellis and Ayodele(surprisingly), a big run stuffer in the rotation would be awesome.

What do you guys think of Hargrove getting more snaps at LE? I want us to try and draft an impact pass rusher(should have went for Dunlap!), but I think Tony is much better served on the edge than on the interior.

[zachsaints52]

I agree about Hargrove, but this draft is deep at the DE/DT position that I don't see us getting out of the first two rounds without one. Isn't our 3rd rounder and 4th gone in trade? Im trying to remember exactly our trades for this years draft and all.

Big thing is if we resign our one year players and Bush. Once we know that it coud affect everything. Bush.PT,Henderson,Moore, Bushrod, Harper, and Nicks need deals if I think right.

[aregand]

Disappointed in Bushrod this year don't think he is solution at LT - part of Brees struggles this year I think- maybe probably can't draft one this year early with need for defensive playmakers- was Charles Brown LT or RT?

On defense if D line gets better makes D backs better- need d line and olb first 2-3 picks. All RB on team are injury prone- quality pick there won't hurt

DeAngelo Williams injury prone hope they don't sign him unless it is a incentive deal

[wicket]

Every pick in the first 3 rounds that is not spend on the front 7 is a wasted pick to me unless someone with ridiulous value falls to us

[zachsaints52]

Disappointed in Bushrod this year don't think he is solution at LT - part of Brees struggles this year I think- maybe probably can't draft one this year early with need for defensive playmakers- was Charles Brown LT or RT?

On defense if D line gets better makes D backs better- need d line and olb first 2-3 picks. All RB on team are injury prone- quality pick there won't hurt

DeAngelo Williams injury prone hope they don't sign him unless it is a incentive deal

Its going to be our future LT is Brown and RT Bushrod.

And wicket I pretty much agree.

[CJSchneider]

Isn't our 3rd rounder and 4th gone in trade? Im trying to remember exactly our trades for this years draft and all.


We have two 3rds (from Washington) but no 4th, 5th or 6th.

[aregand]

Would love to get Fairley he's a nasty guy but would bring some intensity we need on D. Would have to trade up for him. I agree front seven is focus. Hope Brown is ready for LT soon. Still need good RB depth but NO staff has been exceptional at finding productive offensive skill players and o lineman overall. Gresham is going to be a beast if he can stay healthy.

Aside I think Jerrell Powe is going to be a good run stopper but he was very inconsistent for his measurables.

[diabsoule]

So, after doing a couple mock drafts and reading several others I have to say that I think it's going to take a miracle for Von Miller to fall to us. So, right now that is my dream scenario since it doesn't look like it will happen.

Now, I'm trying to decide who would be #2 on my list behind Miller. It will more than likely be a DE unless we reach for someone like Bruce Carter, who will be recovering from an injury.
Akeem Ayers is a possibility if he fell in the draft. I'd definitely love to get him. Allen Bailey should be there and he could be our future LDE. Aldon Smith could also fall to us as well.
Stephen Paea is too similar to Sedrick Ellis and I would rather target a NT than a 3-tech. Cameron Heyward could be there as well but he also is more of a 3-tech, same thing with Drake Nevis.

I don't see it as a possibility that Ryan Kerrigan, Adrian Clayborn (who I don't want) or J.J. Watt falling to us.

There should be good value for a RT with Castonzo, Solder, and others possibly being there.

So right now I'm at a loss. Who would you guys want?

[Auron]

Yeah I don't think Von Miller falls to us, I think he's hands down the best Outside Backer in this Draft. We'd probably have to package 1 one of our 3rd rounders in a deal to move up to have a chance.

I'd probably take Allen Bailey if he's there. Someone else I'm thinking of that might be a possibility is Greg Jones, LB from Michigan St. He played inside, but I believe he has the versatility to play outside in our scheme.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2397
Greg Jones, LB, Michigan St.
Jones will go down as one of the best linebackers, if not the best, to play as a Michigan State Spartan. In 2009, Jones was a consensus All-America selection and named the Big Ten defensive player of the year. What sets Jones apart is his ability to play at an elite level (not only as a run stopper, but he plays very fluidly in pass coverage). He lacks ideal middle linebacker size, but makes up for this with natural instincts and quickness. An excellent wrap-up tackler, Jones quickly closes on ball-carriers and plays low in order to stop larger players. A match-up concern against power backs or bigger tight ends, he must continue to bulk up before going to the next level. Jones will be highly considered by teams using a 3-4 defense as a ILB. He has an incredible vision and ability to play from sideline to sideline with speed and tenacity. Jones is a humble player who is a natural leader that plays with passion on the field. He has great anticipation in diagnosing plays and can single-handedly stop a play on his own. While he is an effective blitzer, his lack of size can work against him inside the trenches since he can be overpowered. Jones flows naturally to the ball and plays within his assignments very successfully. He is considered among the nation's best at his position and likely a mid-to-late first round selection.

[wicket]

do NOT want bailey, there are a ton of DEnds i want more

Aldon Smith
Cam Heyward
Adrian Clayborn
Ryan Kerrigan
JJ Watt

are all DEnds id take over Bailey. Bailey is a crazy good athlete but the things he can do dont fit all that well and you dont see his measurables on the field

[diabsoule]

I like Jones as well and think we can get him in the 2nd round. Through workouts and the combine we'll see if his draft stock rises but as of now he's a 2nd round guy that would be a HUGE reach if we got him in the first.

There are a ton of positional tweeners in this years draft. Out of all the guys you mentioned, wicket, I would take J.J. Watt. I absolutely think that guy is a beast and would do wonders in our scheme. Next would be Kerrigan. I'm iffy on Heyward and need to read up on him more and I'm not a fan of Clayborn. I think he has high bust potential.

I think the best case scenario if Kerrigan, Watt, V. Miller, Aldon Smith, and Ayers aren't there is to trade down into the top of the 2nd. Get more picks and then pick Greg Jones.

[Saints-Tigers]

I love Clayborne and Allen Bailey.

I agree with the front 7 talk, but I feel like you can never draft enough quality O-linemen as well, so I'd be happy going there too.

[zachsaints52]

I love Clayborne and Allen Bailey.

I agree with the front 7 talk, but I feel like you can never draft enough quality O-linemen as well, so I'd be happy going there too.

But how many quality OL is enough? We will have Brown, Stinchcomb, Evans, Tennant back for sure, with Strief and Nicks definately staying. Bushrod might get a big payday, but for now lets imagine him back. Our biggest need then is OG, which we can pick up in the 3rd round with our 3rd. I would say, more so then this past year, that if we don't get a OLB in the first two rounds it will be a major bust of a draft. Shanle, Dunbar, and Ingram are all FA's, so whose are OLBs? Cassilas and Arnoux, with only Vilma in the middle. We need to get some guys there, because we won't have cap to sign guys when our money will go into signing our key FAs (Moore,Nicks,Ayodele,Hargrove,Harper,Young) so draft is where will have to pick up atleast one starter. I would love Akeem Ayers personally. Greg Jones in the 2nd would be a beast of a draft. Play outside til Vilma is gone, then slide to middle.

[Saints-Tigers]

Stinchcomb is trash, goodwin is mediocre, and Bushrod could easily be upgraded.

If we didn't have a gaping hole in 1-2 spots, I'd be inclined to agree, I do like some of our depth.

[diabsoule]

My top 3 that I'd like in the first round:

1st round
Von Miller
Akeem Ayers
Stephen Paea

2nd round
Greg Jones
Bruce Carter
Jerrel Powe

If we went Paea in the first this is what I'd like our draft to turn out (best case scenario):

1st. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State.
2nd. Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
3rd. Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma
3rd. Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon

[wicket]

My top 3 first round:
1 Ryan Kerrigan
2 Cameron Heyward
3 JJ Watt

My top 3 second round
1 Greg Jones
2 Bruce Carter
3 Martez Wilson

[CJSchneider]

Round 1
1. Drake Nevis
2. Cameron Heyward
3. Allen Bailey

Round 2
1. Bruce Carter
2. Mark Herzlich
3. Greg Jones

[diabsoule]

I do not at all like Cameron Heyward. He had an amazing Sugar Bowl against Arkansas, there is no denying that but the guy can disappear for weeks. He's not a pure NT or a pure DE for a 4-3. I feel his best fit would be as a 5-tech in a 3-4.

As for Nevis, he's a pure 3-tech and we have one already in Sedrick Ellis. I know Ellis has played some at the nose but his best position has been and will continue to be at the 3. That's why I prefer Paea if we went DT in the 1st. He can line up at the nose and play there effectively. He could also line up as a 3-4 NT when we give those 3-4 looks every once in a while. If we drafted him we could have a DT line like the Jags did when they had John Henderson and Marcus Stroud.

[wicket]

well we really dont agree this year, cuz I dont like paea that much period, I think von miller is a 34 olb only and I think Bailey is a wickedly risky crapshoot that only has an acceptable floor in the 34 and basically should never ever be touched by a 43 team

[Saints Dome Patrol]

That's right, boys and girls, the prodigal son has returned to DraftCountdown.com!

I do apologize for not being as active as I should be on this forum. I have periodically checked out Scott's mock drafts and the rankings from time to time, but haven't really sat down and written out any long and involved posts like I used to.

With that said, I will see if I can compile something in the next few days while I'm up here at work. I now work overnights at Clear Channel (radio station cluster of five stations) and hopefully, I'll have the opportunity to write something out about who I think the Saints should target in the upcoming Draft this April.

That being said, the Saints obviously have some glaring needs that were brought to light this season. They didn't suffer a "Super Bowl hangover" or anything like that, but the team was obviously not as consistent as last year's and suffered through multiple injuries (several of those season-ending) throughout the 2010 campaign.

Personally, I feel the draft (if it indeed happens, c'mon NFL, I'm looking at you to get this deal with the union done) will be shaped by the terms of the new collective bargaining agreement. Once the new CBA is signed off on, then the Saints have to figure out who they are going to re-sign and at what cost and who they are going to let go. Several players from this year's team, both on offense and defense, are or could become free agents, depending on the upcoming labor agreement. Once those players are re-signed, traded, franchised or waived, then it will shape who the New Orleans will target in the draft.

[Saints-Tigers]

Stephen Paea is a really really good player, I can't help but think he's going to far out play his draft spot if he does indeed fall towards us.

Guys who are that powerful and athletic just don't drop that far usually when they have great motor and instincts.

[diabsoule]

Stephen Paea is a really really good player, I can't help but think he's going to far out play his draft spot if he does indeed fall towards us.

Guys who are that powerful and athletic just don't drop that far usually when they have great motor and instincts.

That's what I'm thinking. Him and Sedrick Ellis together would be a nasty duo, almost like Marcus Stroud and John Henderson were together in Jacksonville.

[CJSchneider]

Paea has huge upside. He has dropped off a little from last year though. My hopes are that we find a way to acquire some more early round picks and if we do neglect to draft a DT in the first, he will still be available.

[aregand]

Newest mock on this site has olb and dt that previously might slide to us going to high for us to likely get. For value and need at 24 lots of teams 10 picks in front taking defensive players. plenty of highly rated defensive ends in that range more likely we get one of those but combines workouts will shift some around. I starting to think trading down slightly may be best.

[Flyboy]

This is one of the few drafts that I have no idea who I really want us to target in the draft. I think we could easily upgrade the DT, OLB or RB position.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

This is one of the few drafts that I have no idea who I really want us to target in the draft. I think we could easily upgrade the DT, OLB or RB position.

Flyboy, the certified thief you, how are you?

I personally think the Saints need to focus on the defensive side of the ball, primarily the front seven, before anything else. Then, we can see how the rest of the draft falls before making any more predictions.

Obviously, this also sort of depends on what the Saints do in free agency in terms of who they sign (if anyone) and who they lose.

[Saints-Tigers]

Pierre Thomas, Lynell HAmilton, and Chris Ivory.

That's 3 undrafted backs in 3 years that are really good to great players. Go back to the well, don't waste resources on RBs.

[wicket]

I honestly would be bummed if we picked cameron jordan like Scott has us taking, I dont like him in the 4-3 at all

[diabsoule]

I love Cam Jordan, he's going to be a stud for whoever drafts him and he'll be long gone before our pick.

Right now I'm wanting Kelvin Sheppard and Casey Matthews in the 3rd with our two picks if we don't go Mason Foster in the 2nd.

In the first I'm still leaning towards Paea but there's a chance that none of the guys I want will be there. Von Miller has played himself into the top 10 at least at the Senior Bowl so there goes my first man crush.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I love Cam Jordan, he's going to be a stud for whoever drafts him and he'll be long gone before our pick.

Right now I'm wanting Kelvin Sheppard and Casey Matthews in the 3rd with our two picks if we don't go Mason Foster in the 2nd.

In the first I'm still leaning towards Paea but there's a chance that none of the guys I want will be there. Von Miller has played himself into the top 10 at least at the Senior Bowl so there goes my first man crush.

diab, I don't know a lot about Cameron Jordan, but do you really think that he'd be gone by our selection? I need to really research the prospects that might be available for our first-round selection. As you know, I am actually a fan of moving down out of the first round and receiving more considerations if there isn't a true pick that really wows the Saints' front office.

I saw a mock draft that had us selecting Alabama RB Mark Ingram in the first round. I know that there is uncertainty with our running back corps, with Pierre Thomas recovering from injury and possibly on his way out the door, plus Reggie Bush would need to restructure his contract to be a part of this team next season (if there is one). However, even with all this, I do not want the Saints to go offense with their first rounder. There are so many other needs on the defensive side of the ball than getting a running back there. Later in the draft, perhaps, but not in round one.

It looks, to me at least, that defensive end and defensive tackle are quite deep. Could you see the Saints waiting to pull the trigger on one of these two positions and drafting a linebacker like Bruce Carter from North Carolina or Justin Houston from Georgia instead?

As for your man-crush, yeah, I have a bromantic relationship with Von Miller as well. I don't know if he's going to be taken at pick number 3 like Scott Wright thinks, but according to all reports, he has done all the right things this week at the Senior Bowl practices and will be long gone before the Saints could even sniff the chance to get him.

[diabsoule]

I think you will see Mark Ingram to the Saints picking up steam in the next couple of weeks as there might not be an impact player on the defensive side of the ball when the Saints selection comes up. As the Saints have a history of selecting BPA (Reggie Bush, Robert Meachem, Sedrick Ellis, Malcom Jenkins and Patrick Robinson) it would not be out of the realm of possibility that they would target Ingram, especially when given how in flux our running back situation is.

Now as far as Von Miller is concerned, no, I don't think he will be there at all when the Saints pick. Miller will go top 10 so unless we trade up then there is no chance we will be able to draft him. Cameron Jordan has exploded at the Senior Bowl boosting his stock considerably. He has a non-stop motor, can beat the double team, is a terror rushing the passer and against the run, and was unblockable in Mobile.

Justin Houston, to me, is better suited to a 3-4 OLB. I'm certain he could be a SAM in an aggressive 4-3 scheme like we run but I think his natural fit is being a rushbacker in a 3-4. Bruce Carter is someone that I wouldn't draft in the first. He's coming back from an ACL injury and those usually take 2 years to fully heal. If we were to take a flier on him I think it would come in the third round.

Mason Foster is someone I wouldn't mind seeing us draft in the first. He would be an ideal SAM in our scheme and his stock has gone up from the Senior Bowl as well. Also, Stephen Paea of Oregon St. is still someone that I want the Saints to target. He had surgery to repair a meniscus in his knee but that's the type of procedure that won't take long to recuperate from.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I think you will see Mark Ingram to the Saints picking up steam in the next couple of weeks as there might not be an impact player on the defensive side of the ball when the Saints selection comes up. As the Saints have a history of selecting BPA (Reggie Bush, Robert Meachem, Sedrick Ellis, Malcom Jenkins and Patrick Robinson) it would not be out of the realm of possibility that they would target Ingram, especially when given how in flux our running back situation is.

As I previously stated, I'm not too keen on the "running back in the first round" scenario, although I do agree with you, the Saints front office have, in the past, chosen a player that may not be a need, per se, but be like you said the best player available. I distinctly remember the Reggie Bush draft and was hoping we would trade with the New York Jets (who were pining for Bush) and get the number four and their later first round selection (I don't remember what number) and basically do what they ended up doing, selecting D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold. I know you can recall how I felt about the Robert Meachem selection. As for Sedrick Ellis, Malcolm Jenkins and Patrick Robinson, they were all questionable picks, in the sense of the fact the Saints had more glaring needs, but they have all become quite valuable parts of the New Orleans defense, especially Jenkins. As I've stated in previous posts, I want to see what the Saints do in free agency before committing to a mock draft.

Now as far as Von Miller is concerned, no, I don't think he will be there at all when the Saints pick. Miller will go top 10 so unless we trade up then there is no chance we will be able to draft him. Cameron Jordan has exploded at the Senior Bowl boosting his stock considerably. He has a non-stop motor, can beat the double team, is a terror rushing the passer and against the run, and was unblockable in Mobile.

I think we can both agree that unless the Saints pull off some blockbuster trade (that would probably cost us several draft picks and/or players), I don't see us moving up in the first round. Down, maybe, but not up. Even though there are several players I'd love the Saints to get, I don't think they will be there at 24, nor do I think that New Orleans has the picks or players to move up or should. The team has, as diab I think you've pointed out, several key pieces that need to be improved and upgraded. Trading away more picks or future selections would not be beneficial for the Saints. Again, depending on free agency, this could change, but at the moment, I don't want to see the Saints dealing away players and picks left and right for one selection.

As for Cameron Jordan, you seem to be high on him. I just feel that defensive end is not as important as linebacker is for our team. Don't get me wrong, Jonathan Vilma is excellent, but Scott Shanle is average and J-Lonn Dunbar is nothing spectacular. Supposedly, the coaching staff is high on Jonathan Casillas, but I don't know if he can really be a starter in the NFL. And Danny Clark, who we signed as a free agent, is a free agent again and I doubt will be re-signed.

Justin Houston, to me, is better suited to a 3-4 OLB. I'm certain he could be a SAM in an aggressive 4-3 scheme like we run but I think his natural fit is being a rushbacker in a 3-4. Bruce Carter is someone that I wouldn't draft in the first. He's coming back from an ACL injury and those usually take 2 years to fully heal. If we were to take a flier on him I think it would come in the third round.

Mason Foster is someone I wouldn't mind seeing us draft in the first. He would be an ideal SAM in our scheme and his stock has gone up from the Senior Bowl as well. Also, Stephen Paea of Oregon St. is still someone that I want the Saints to target. He had surgery to repair a meniscus in his knee but that's the type of procedure that won't take long to recuperate from.

Sadly, like you, I think that the players on top of our wish list aren't going to be available at our selection at twenty. My philosophy is that the Saints are in "no-man's land" so to speak, between the elite talent and the remainder of the pool of the first to second rounders.

Logically, it looks like a majority of players I would have liked the Saints to get have either a.) played themselves out of reach (example: Texas A&M OLB Von Miller), b.) were never going to be a possibility, period (like Auburn DT Nick Fairley) c.) have glaring injury or discipline concerns (injured North Carolina LB Bruce Carter)

I guess the player I'd realistically like to see the Saints get is DT Stephen Paea. Paea seems, according to most reports, like the kind of nose tackle that could step in a be a force next to Sedrick Ellis and would be a definite improvement over Remi Ayodele (as much as I'm a fan of his) and Tony Hargrove. It seems like the only question mark is how will he bounce back from his meniscus surgery.

As someone who has had that surgery, if the part that was torn has blood flow, recovery usually takes about 6 weeks (of course, I'm not a NFL prospect) but if the tear was on a part that does not, the doctor can just cut away the torn part and you can literally walk out of the hospital that day.

Paea seemed to be like a one man wrecking crew for the Beavers, and what I really like about him is something you can't teach, and that's his nastiness. According to Scott, he has a non-stop motor and is aggressive and will "deliver the knockout hit". I want my nose tackle to be nasty to crack skulls with those big, bullish offensive guards and centers. If he can plug up the middle of the field and swallow up the middle of the offensive line, then that would be great for our blitzing defense, allowing someone like Vilma or Harper a clear path to the quarterback.

[diabsoule]

I have been thinking about this for a little over a week now and my ideal Saints draft would be this:

1st - DT Stephen Paea, Oregon St. (although I would be very happy with Corey Liuget from Illinois)
2nd - OLB Mason Foster, Washington
3rd - OLB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU
3rd - RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas St.

That would leave us concentrating on a LDE in FA as our main priority outside of re-signing some key guys. The reason I have us drafting Thomas is because I think he could be the replacement for Pierre Thomas, who I don't think we'll bring back. I do think that Reggie Bush and Jeremy Shockey both restructure their deals allowing us more wiggle room to re-sign players and bring in an effective veteran DE.

[Saints-Tigers]

Running back is about the only thing that would really piss me off in the first round.

[wicket]

I think you will see Mark Ingram to the Saints picking up steam in the next couple of weeks as there might not be an impact player on the defensive side of the ball when the Saints selection comes up. As the Saints have a history of selecting BPA (Reggie Bush, Robert Meachem, Sedrick Ellis, Malcom Jenkins and Patrick Robinson) it would not be out of the realm of possibility that they would target Ingram, especially when given how in flux our running back situation is.

Now as far as Von Miller is concerned, no, I don't think he will be there at all when the Saints pick. Miller will go top 10 so unless we trade up then there is no chance we will be able to draft him. Cameron Jordan has exploded at the Senior Bowl boosting his stock considerably. He has a non-stop motor, can beat the double team, is a terror rushing the passer and against the run, and was unblockable in Mobile.

Justin Houston, to me, is better suited to a 3-4 OLB. I'm certain he could be a SAM in an aggressive 4-3 scheme like we run but I think his natural fit is being a rushbacker in a 3-4. Bruce Carter is someone that I wouldn't draft in the first. He's coming back from an ACL injury and those usually take 2 years to fully heal. If we were to take a flier on him I think it would come in the third round.

Mason Foster is someone I wouldn't mind seeing us draft in the first. He would be an ideal SAM in our scheme and his stock has gone up from the Senior Bowl as well. Also, Stephen Paea of Oregon St. is still someone that I want the Saints to target. He had surgery to repair a meniscus in his knee but that's the type of procedure that won't take long to recuperate from.

Couple of points,

Drafting ingram would make me rage, not only is he an offensive player, he doesnt fit in what we do at all
Robinson wasnt bpa, he wasnt even close, he was jsut a bad pick
You can bet your life that there is going to be an impact DEnd on the board
I love mason foster but getting him in the first would be to much of a reach for my liking.

[Flyboy]

Running back is about the only thing that would really piss me off in the first round.

All comes down to BPA...

[CJSchneider]

I have been thinking about this for a little over a week now and my ideal Saints draft would be this:

1st - DT Stephen Paea, Oregon St. (although I would be very happy with Corey Liuget from Illinois)
2nd - OLB Mason Foster, Washington
3rd - OLB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU
3rd - RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas St.

That would leave us concentrating on a LDE in FA as our main priority outside of re-signing some key guys. The reason I have us drafting Thomas is because I think he could be the replacement for Pierre Thomas, who I don't think we'll bring back. I do think that Reggie Bush and Jeremy Shockey both restructure their deals allowing us more wiggle room to re-sign players and bring in an effective veteran DE.

Is your love for Paea at the "man-crush" level yet?

[diabsoule]

Is your love for Paea at the "man-crush" level yet?

Its getting very, very close

[diabsoule]

Just saw a mock I really liked:

1) Corey Liuget, DT
2) Mikel Leshoure
3) Kelvin Sheppard
3) Dontay Moch

[Saints-Tigers]

I feel like Owen Marecic is essential. He's way too safe, and is a virtual lock to be a contributor in the run game, and a total ace on special teams, along with being a leader in the locker room.

[diabsoule]

I feel like Owen Marecic is essential. He's way too safe, and is a virtual lock to be a contributor in the run game, and a total ace on special teams, along with being a leader in the locker room.

If we can get him in the 7th round then that would be fantastic but I wouldn't use one of our early round draft picks on him.

[diabsoule]

One player that is really starting to intrigue me is Jurrell Casey from USC. The more I learn about him the more I think he has what it takes to be a stud DT next to Ellis and he can play either UT or NT. He should be available in round 3 as well.

I'm also thinking of another prospect in round 1. He offers schematic versatility, possesses collegiate experience playing both DT and DE and his draft stock is starting to rise to where he wouldn't be a reach if we were to draft him in the first. I'm talking about Christian Ballard. He can come in and start as DE and then move in to DT on passing down.

Any draft like this would make me a little wet in the pants:

1. Christian Ballard, Stephen Paea, Corey Liuget
2. Kelvin Sheppard, Mason Foster, Martez Wilson
3. Daniel Thomas, Mikel Leshoure
3. Dontay Moch, Marvin Austin, Jurrell Casey,

Any combo of any of those 3 with the 4 draft picks would make me excited

[wicket]

I really odnt want to spend an early pick on a tailback tbqh, unless someone falls crazy far or something but I really dont like spending picks on them

[CJSchneider]

Your lack of Drake Nevis love really has me perplexed, Diab.

[diabsoule]

Your lack of Drake Nevis love really has me perplexed, Diab.

I like him as a player quite a bit actually but I don't see where he fits in our scheme. If we drafted him he would have to line up at the 3 since he can't play nose tackle at all which means that Sed Ellis would have to play NT, which I don't think is his natural fit.

[CJSchneider]

I think far too many of you over estimate the simplicity of moving from the guard's inside shade to head-up or to the B gap.
He really impressed my in the LSU vs. Florida game and kept my intrest all year long this year.

[Saints-Tigers]

Yea, I'm all for upgrading the talent at DT. Fit isn't as important as pure talent at that spot, unless you are moving from 4-3 to a 3-4 NT or DE.

[CJSchneider]

Marcus Mailei and P.J. Hill were cut on Friday.

[diabsoule]

Defensive tackle will still be a point of emphasis when the Saints make their first-round pick at No. 24 overall in April with the thought process of adding a gamechanger alongside DT Sedrick Ellis.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14688863

[CJSchneider]

No ****, CBS. I could have told you that.

[SAINTS#12]

All the DT talk may end as far as a 1st round pick goes,if the Saints sign this guy....

PFT.COM
Shaun Rogers’ next stop: New Orleans
February 16, 2011, 9:48 AM EST
The Shaun Rogers free agency tour is headed to the Bayou. According to Rogers’ Twitter account, the free agent defensive tackle will visit the Saints. Rogers wrapped up a trip in Kansas City that included dinner with Chiefs coaches Romeo Crennel and Anthony Pleasant. Rogers played under Crennel in Cleveland. Rogers thanked Kansas City for…Rogers said he's tired of losing too.....

[Saints-Tigers]

I'm so wet right now.

[diabsoule]

Rogers would be ideal lined up next to Ellis. If we sign him we could go BPA in the first. Not like we wouldn't already, though.

[CJSchneider]

If we sign Rodgers, I will masturbate in a public place. It would allow us to go in so many directions as far as the draft goes.

[diabsoule]

If we sign Rodgers, I will masturbate in a public place. It would allow us to go in so many directions as far as the draft goes.

Just remember: pics or gtfo if we sign Rogers

[wicket]

just saw the new mock of another draftsite i look at some times

1 JJ Watt
2 Mason Foster
3a Jarvis Jenkins
3b KJ Wright

loved it, id sign right now

[diabsoule]

just saw the new mock of another draftsite i look at some times

1 JJ Watt
2 Mason Foster
3a Jarvis Jenkins
3b KJ Wright

loved it, id sign right now

I'd do that draft. Fills all of our needs and I like all of the players.

[CJSchneider]

Paea just set the bench record with 49 reps. Diab, I know you are erect....I mean...no, I know you are hard over that.

[diabsoule]

Paea just set the bench record with 49 reps. Diab, I know you are erect....I mean...no, I know you are hard over that.

That doesn't surprise me as Shane said on my show that he expected him to set the record. I don't see what's not to like about this guy. He is the type of player that Ellis has needed to play alongside all along

[CJSchneider]

I drafted him here (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43324) in the 2nd round. What a value.

[Saints-Tigers]

All of the d-linemen have impressed, it's like we really can't lose if we take one at this point.

[diabsoule]

I drafted him here (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43324) in the 2nd round. What a value.

Kerrigan and Paea would make me jizz in my pants.

In other news, Illinois LB Martez Wilson and USC T Tyron Smith have met with Saints personnel at the scouting combine

[Saints-Tigers]

Can we has Von Miller? =(

[CJSchneider]

If we sign Rodgers, I will masturbate in a public place. It would allow us to go in so many directions as far as the draft goes.

Does my front yard count as public? (http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2011/3/1/2024041/saints-sign-dt-shaun-rogers?ref=yahoo)

[diabsoule]

It's gonna have to do, CJ. Even with this signing I'm still hoping for Paea. Rogers, while serviceable, is still old and we only signed him for a 1 year deal.

[Saints-Tigers]

**** yea!

I'd still be on board with a DT, can never have too many d-linemen, but DAMN, am I happy to see this.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Uh, CJ -- this isn't you, is it? [wink wink]

Anti-[cool] Pastor Booked On Obscenity Charge

Also apologized for hypocrisy about past protests against Southern Decadence
Wednesday, March 2, 2011
(AP) - A former pastor known for attempts to shut down an annual [cool] festival in New Orleans is apologizing following his arrest on an obscenity charge.
Grant Storms also said Tuesday that he is dealing with a pornography problem.
Storms was arrested Friday after two women reported seeing him masturbating as he sat in a van near a suburban playground, according to the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office. On Tuesday, Storms told several New Orleans television stations he was not masturbating. However, he said he was in his van, reclined, with his hands in his underwear.
Storms also apologized for hypocrisy when asked about his past protests against the [cool]-themed Southern Decadence festival in New Orleans.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I wonder now with the re-signing of RB Pierre Thomas and the free agent acquisition of NT Shaun Rogers if the Saints are going to go best player available in April's NFL Draft? That is, if they don't trade down or even out of the first round.

What do you all think?

[Saints Dome Patrol]

To get the expert analysis of my Saints brethren, who do you see the Saints choosing with their first round selection?

[CJSchneider]

I do have a KIA SUV, but I am not a preacher. That was close.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I know, I'm probably not supposed to do this, but I wanted to let the readers of the DraftCountdown.com forums know that Draft Countdown's Scott Wright will be LIVE on the airwaves, at around 10 a.m. central time and will be accepting questions on the state of the NFL following the NFLPA's de-certification and what it means for the upcoming Draft.

To listen to Scott, go to TheScore1210.com and click on the "Listen Live" link on the top left of the page or check it out on the iheartradio app on your smart phones!

Call in your questions at (225) 499-1210, *1210 (cell phones only) or e-mail them to thesportssunday@yahoo.com! Myself and another member of this forum (diabsoule) are the co-hosts of the show and we'd love all the support from Who Dat DCers we can get!

[CJSchneider]

According to another site I view on occasion, it looks like we will be getting two, 7th round compensatory picks.

[CJSchneider]

Kendall Hunter (http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/3/20/2061794/patriots-to-hold-visit-private-workout-with-rb-kendall-hunter) and Tyrod Taylor (http://www.saintsgab.com/2011/03/20/saints-to-have-a-private-workout-march-28th-with-hokies-qb-tyrod-taylor/) will have private workouts over the next week.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

As I'm sure all of you Who Dats have seen, Scott Wright put up his latest two round mock draft on Draft Countdown. At this moment, he has the Saints selecting Ohio State defensive end Cameron Heyward in the first round and then Illinois running back Mikel Leshoure in the second.

What do you think of this? Agree? Disagree? Discuss.

[wicket]

Like the Heyward pick, LeShoure is a very very bad idea

[Saints-Tigers]

I like LeShoure more than Ingram tbh, and I wouldn't HATE that pick, but think our 2nd rounder can be much better spent.

[CJSchneider]

"Son of Ironhead" works just fine for me. I do see us adressing RB, but not until the third round. Perhaps Kendal Hunter, but who knows.

[Saints-Tigers]

I would go as far as guaranteeing we don't touch a RB that early. People think we will every year, and this year we actually have a fair bit at the spot.

[CJSchneider]

Yeah, but the wheels are all messed up.

[Saints-Tigers]

Ha! Well, it's really kinda been that way, dating back to Deuce/Reggie.

I just don't think the Saints want to take RBs unless they think they are REALLY special.

[aregand]

Ingram is only a Emmitt Smith Clone and some mocks have him dropping cause he doesn't have long speed - I'd take him in a minute at our spot. Not that we don't have stronger needs but no RB we have can stay healthy and I don't even think Bush has that long speed anymore. Steady production from Ingram with Brees slicing up defenses will make our defense look better anyway like year before. But will be happy if they get best DT/ DE / LB first picks too. GEAUX Saints! (except Benson)

[Saints Dome Patrol]

First, let me be one of the first people on Draft Countdown to welcome aregand to the forums. It's always great to have another Saints fan on the forum!

As it is, with the labor talks continuing to drag, I am getting more and more fed up with the whole lockout situation. I'm sure I'm in the majority on this one, and hope that the two sides, the owners and the NFLPA, can come to the table and hammer something out before a delay or cancellation of the 2011 season.

Even with the draft coming up in a month or so, with the possibility of no season looming, I'm not all excited as I usually would be at this point. Usually, I'm eagerly reading draft previews, magazine articles, and all that good stuff, but this year, it's more like meh. Anyone else feel the same way?

[wicket]

I was blaming it on working full days for the first time sdp.

@ingram, the problem is ingram will compromise brees' ability passing as he is so negligable in the passing game he will never get more than a linebacker on him, also payton wont give ingram the thirty carries a game he needs to be effective. Keep in mind that ingram is not all that physical, he absorbs contact very well and had great recognition, really not something the saints need

[aregand]

At this spot no dominant defenders will be available although there will be good ones. If they took Ingram I would be fine with it but agree there are greater needs. I would rather them trade up for dominant defender or down slightly for more picks / defensive bodies in the front seven. Shaun Rogers won't be around long and has been solid but not great in his career. I favor trading down more in the hopes they start working the draft better ala New England. Look how many draft picks they have in first three rounds- ridiculous.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I was blaming it on working full days for the first time sdp.

@ingram, the problem is ingram will compromise brees' ability passing as he is so negligable in the passing game he will never get more than a linebacker on him, also payton wont give ingram the thirty carries a game he needs to be effective. Keep in mind that ingram is not all that physical, he absorbs contact very well and had great recognition, really not something the saints need

I hear that, wicket. That's the main reason I had been so inactive on the forums for the last couple of years; I had gotten swamped and stressed out with work and not really able to come and visit the forums and post to my heart's content.

However, as it is, now, I am working the overnight shift at a new job that's less stressful and allows me to sit down at the computer every once in a while and post on the forum.

But I digress.

I don't consider myself a draft expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I really think the Saints (if you pardon my expression) have bigger fish to fry than go after a running back in the first round.

While I don't disagree that last year really proved that you can never have enough quality running backs, since we were down to our last one on the active roster in the NFC Wild Card game against Seattle last year. I know I don't have to bring that up for you to know what I'm talking about. That being said, the Saints still possess a deep stable of running backs, with recently re-signed Pierre Thomas, last year's surprise find Chris Ivory, power back Lynell Hamilton along with veterans Julius Jones, Ladell Betts and DeShawn Wynn. Also, there is a huge possibility that Reggie Bush will restructure his contract to be able to be an affordable asset for New Orleans. That's a lot of depth, which is why I would doubt the Saints go after a running back in this year's draft, unless it's in the later rounds and they select someone like LSU's Stevan Ridley, Nebraska's Roy Helu, Jr. or North Carolina's Johnny White. Again, I think there are more important positions that need to be filled before the Saints should even look at running back.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Ingram is only a Emmitt Smith Clone and some mocks have him dropping cause he doesn't have long speed - I'd take him in a minute at our spot. Not that we don't have stronger needs but no RB we have can stay healthy and I don't even think Bush has that long speed anymore. Steady production from Ingram with Brees slicing up defenses will make our defense look better anyway like year before. But will be happy if they get best DT/ DE / LB first picks too. GEAUX Saints! (except Benson)

At this spot no dominant defenders will be available although there will be good ones. If they took Ingram I would be fine with it but agree there are greater needs. I would rather them trade up for dominant defender or down slightly for more picks / defensive bodies in the front seven. Shaun Rogers won't be around long and has been solid but not great in his career. I favor trading down more in the hopes they start working the draft better ala New England. Look how many draft picks they have in first three rounds- ridiculous.

aregand, I don't disagree with you that there will be very few elite players available at the Saints' first round selection at 24, but there will still, in my opinion, be several good players that New Orleans should definitely take a look at. Especially since it looks like this year's draft is defensive line heavy, the Saints seem like they would be able to select someone to help shore up their front four, if they so choose.

As for trading their first round selection, I don't know how I would feel about that. I know that in years gone by (2006, for one example), I wanted the Saints to trade down, and hopefully accumulate multiple draft picks for their first rounder. Unfortunately, it looks like less and less teams are willing to pay the king's ransom that is necessary to move up in the draft, even for a couple of spots difference. I really doubt a team would want to trade into our spot at 24, unless it's a team like Oakland that does not possess a pick in the first round or a team that's under the Saints in the first round (someone like Green Bay) that covets someone that they believe would be gone by the time they are on the clock.

On the other hand, I would not mind if the Saints wanted to trade up, but only if a.) there is some blockbuster, premier talent to be had and b.) the price is right to do so. I don't want the Saints moving up in the first round, just to get someone like Johnathan Sullivan back in 2003. Please, for the love of God, I hope the Saints don't do something that stupid ever again. As for who that stud player would be, I don't know off the top of my head, since the player I have a huge man-crush on is going to be long gone before the Saints have the chance to select him, unless they move up to the top 5. And if they plan to move up that high, New Orleans would have to give away multiple picks and/or players. That being said, the Saints do not have that luxury at this point.

With New Orleans only having five selections (although two are in the third round), look for the Saints to either be content with what selections they do have or to be sellers during the draft, trading down for extra picks or a player. I doubt the Saints have the ability to move up in this year's draft.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

All right, ladies (ha!) and gents, it's time for you, the Saints fans on DraftCountdown to vote on who you think New Orleans will select with their first round selection in April's draft!

Let the debate begin!

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[Berman]: Howdy, and hello there folks! I'm Chris Berman here at the NFL Draft! Right now, the New Orleans Saints are on the clock at 24. As we all know, this team is only two years removed from their first ever Super Bowl and were able to get back to playoffs this past season, before melting down against the Seattle Seahawks in the Wild Card round. That game really exposed the lack of run defense for the Who Dats, so they went out and made a BIG signing, in getting former Cleveland Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers. He's sure to help plug some holes in the middle of the line of scrimmage and open up some holes for middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma to put pressure on the quarterback. TJ, even with that signing, you still think the Saints are going defensive line?

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[Tom]: That's right, Boomer. The Saints already have a Pro Bowl quarterback Drew Brees and their potent offense able to put up points at a non-stop pace. Last year; however, New Orleans really had problems on the defensive side of the ball, especially in disrupting the passer and creating turnovers, two big things that defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is high on, and also reasons why the Saints won their first Super Bowl back in 2009. I'd really be surprised if New Orleans didn't go after a couple of the top tier defensive tackles or defensive ends here with their first round selection. What do you think, Mel?

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[Mel]: Right you are, Tom. I really think the Saints need to focus on their front seven, but I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans throws us and their fans a curve ball and decides to upgrade their offensive tackle position or even get a top tier running back as a back-up plan in case they get into the situation they had at the end of last season with only one healthy running back in their playoff game against the Seahawks. We've seen the Saints go best player available, getting wide receiver Robert Meachem in 2007 and of course, cornerback Patrick Robinson last season. Now, we'll have to see, since there are still several good players left on my Big Board for them to consider. I really think, though, when all is said and done, the Saints will get someone to go along with Sedrick Ellis and Will Smith for that defensive line.

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[Berman]: Well there you have it, the experts have spoken, and it looks like the pick is in, let's go down to the podium and Roger Goodell.

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[Goodell]: With the twenty-fourth selection of the 2011 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select...

Saints fans: Choose who you think the Saints will pick, message me, and I will tally the votes and post on the forum and announce on my radio show who Saints fans on DraftCountdown.com think will be the first round choice of the New Orleans Saints!

[CJSchneider]

I think that our first round pick will be dictated by who we think will be available for our 2nd round pick. I see many quality DT's being there for us at our 2nd round selection ( Paea, Nevis, Austin). Where as I'd love to see us grab a DT to couple with Ellis, I think we will allow recently signed Shuan Rodgers to fill that hole primarily, not to mention CFL stand-out, Tom Johnson. That being said, our positions of need stand at DE and LB. Many Saints draftniks have been crying for us to address LB for a few years now and I think Marshawn Lynch helped the Saints front office see the need for a solid LB. That is why I see the Saints using pick #24 to select Martez Wilson, LB from Illinois come draft day.

[wicket]

I think that our first round pick will be dictated by who we think will be available for our 2nd round pick. I see many quality DT's being there for us at our 2nd round selection ( Paea, Nevis, Austin). Where as I'd love to see us grab a DT to couple with Ellis, I think we will allow recently signed Shuan Rodgers to fill that hole primarily, not to mention CFL stand-out, Tom Johnson. That being said, our positions of need stand at DE and LB. Many Saints draftniks have been crying for us to address LB for a few years now and I think Marshawn Lynch helped the Saints front office see the need for a solid LB. That is why I see the Saints using pick #24 to select Martez Wilson, LB from Illinois come draft day.

I think the saints will draft a DEnd for that reason. I think there will be plenty of good backers available for the two third round picks

[CJSchneider]

Wilson's stock has been climbing and I think we jump on him at #24 as opposed to see him get away.

[Who Dat Nation]

Wilson's stock has been climbing and I think we jump on him at #24 as opposed to see him get away.

I disagree. There will probably be higher graded players available on the Saints board than Wilson. Just like last year when they passed on Daryl Washington.

I expect either Clayborn or Heyward to be available. If we go LB in round 2, would be happy with Mason Foster.

[aregand]

Most mocks don't have him in first round but he has been on the rise. Still more early second round grade- if they target him they should trade down or go D- line in first and maybe trade up in second to get him. Could still get someone like DT Jerrell Powe with other 3rd rounder. Do like Wilson but not (yet) at 24.

[descendency]

Just curious if you guys saw this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc9757/article/mock-draft-underclassmen-dominate-top-10-picks

[wicket]

Just curious if you guys saw this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc9757/article/mock-draft-underclassmen-dominate-top-10-picks

thats so bad, its funny

[diabsoule]

He really should be banned from doing any mocks in the future

[CJSchneider]

Yeah, he just needs to quit writing mocks.

[aregand]

That was obv. April's FOOL Draft mock- Mallett in New orleans equals many bong hits . One thing since Payton hire -front office doesn't bring in many questionable work ethic / party types. I was surprised they traded for Shockey actually.

[aregand]

noticed date was in January guess it is April FOOL Day all year for some.

With The 24 pick New Orleans selects Ryan Mallett QB and Chief Bong Squad Leader from University of Arkansas.

Could Happen. Nahh

[wicket]

That was obv. April's FOOL Draft mock- Mallett in New orleans equals many bong hits . One thing since Payton hire -front office doesn't bring in many questionable work ethic / party types. I was surprised they traded for Shockey actually.

they dont draft bad characters, they do sign them in FA and stuff

[CJSchneider]

Shockey was a direct result of Payton's time with the Giants. He was throwing Shockey a bone.

[zachsaints52]

Shockey was a direct result of Payton's time with the Giants. He was throwing Shockey a bone.

+1

Been awhile since Ive been on here, good to see the older guys still here!

I love this drafts for the Saints. Depth at the DL means we still get solid player when our time comes. I know alot of people are on him, but I would love for Dontay Moch to come to the Saints. To me, his athleticism is something Gregg could definately use in the right way.

[diabsoule]

Here's a list of players the Saints have visited with according to league sources and various media outlets:

Texas CB Curtis Brown
Oklahoma State RB Kendall Hunter
Alabama RB Mark Ingram
California DE Cameron Jordan
North Carolina LB Quan Sturdivant.
Baylor DT Phil Taylor
Virginia Tech QB Tyrod Taylor
Southern Arkansas DT Cedric Thornton
Temple DT Muhammad Wilkerson.

[zachsaints52]

Id like Tyrod to be the prodigy to Drew. Id feel much safer with him then the last couple of guys we tried (Palko and Canfield). But we dont have a 5th or 6th I dont recall, so seeing him to 7th is a little downwards.

[aregand]

On the above list of players with 'visits' first round I don't see Jordan or Taylor making it to 24. Ingram to Miami if not he may slide but RB down on priority list. Of the rest only Wilkerson fits 1st round -some have him going to Baltimore right after Saints pick. If we improved DT slot I think our ends and LBs would be more effective. If Baltimore wants him means he should be a player on D. Anybody know much about him? He is rated pretty high.

Also would be interesting to see how many players that get visits are drafted by one of those teams- I don't know how high a correlation there is. especially with Saints if anyone knows from the past few years.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I think that our first round pick will be dictated by who we think will be available for our 2nd round pick. I see many quality DT's being there for us at our 2nd round selection ( Paea, Nevis, Austin). Where as I'd love to see us grab a DT to couple with Ellis, I think we will allow recently signed Shuan Rodgers to fill that hole primarily, not to mention CFL stand-out, Tom Johnson. That being said, our positions of need stand at DE and LB. Many Saints draftniks have been crying for us to address LB for a few years now and I think Marshawn Lynch helped the Saints front office see the need for a solid LB. That is why I see the Saints using pick #24 to select Martez Wilson, LB from Illinois come draft day.

First, let me say thank you to CJSchneider, who is, so far, the only person to respond to my unofficial poll on who you, the Saints fans on the DraftCountdown.com forum think that New Orleans will select with their first round pick. So, we have one vote for Martez Wilson. Anyone else want to vote? You still have several days to say who the Saints will select at 24.

+1

Been awhile since Ive been on here, good to see the older guys still here!

I love this drafts for the Saints. Depth at the DL means we still get solid player when our time comes. I know alot of people are on him, but I would love for Dontay Moch to come to the Saints. To me, his athleticism is something Gregg could definately use in the right way.

zachsaints52! Welcome back to the forums, my friend! Hope all has been well, as I know I'm one of the "older guys" you're probably referring to.

I said in an earlier post that I'm not so excited for this year's draft, probably because of the current labor situation of the NFL. However, I will agree, the first round selection for the Saints has the possibility to go in any number of directions, that is, if they stay where they are and don't move down or out of the first round all together.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

That was obv. April's FOOL Draft mock- Mallett in New orleans equals many bong hits . One thing since Payton hire -front office doesn't bring in many questionable work ethic / party types. I was surprised they traded for Shockey actually.

they dont draft bad characters, they do sign them in FA and stuff

I will say, in my opinion, the Saints' front office, as of late, have not had any players, short of running back Chris Ivory, in any sort of legal problems. If I remember, Ivory's trouble with the law stems from an alleged assault in Washington state, which may be why he transferred to Tiffin. I do realize New Orleans did trade for tight end Jeremy Shockey, who was a lightning rod of controversy, and of course, signed defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove, who was a coke head before he went to rehab.

But I am proud to say the Saints do not have players like Pacman Jones, Vince Young or past players like Plaxico Burress or Rae Carruth. None of the Saints seem to have serious issues or any ongoing criminal investigations.

And that's saying something.

[zachsaints52]

Didnt two backups get DUIs before the Superbowl or something the year we won? I cant recall who but I remember hearing about it.

But honestly, I would love a trade down personally. So many teams will probably want 24 for the 2nd wave of QBs, we may get a 2nd + 3rd or something even better. I feel this draft is tailor made for us (DL all the way and athletic OLB's mid round graded) that we will actually do right this draft.

[wicket]

Didnt two backups get DUIs before the Superbowl or something the year we won? I cant recall who but I remember hearing about it.

But honestly, I would love a trade down personally. So many teams will probably want 24 for the 2nd wave of QBs, we may get a 2nd + 3rd or something even better. I feel this draft is tailor made for us (DL all the way and athletic OLB's mid round graded) that we will actually do right this draft.

I think there are a ton of DEnds that go round around that 24 spot and I want one of those to be quite honest. I think there are a ton of potential 2nd/3rd round contributors at DT and OLB but I think the DEnds run out a bit after the first. That is why I am rootin hard for a DEnd with that first pick

[zachsaints52]

I think there are a ton of DEnds that go round around that 24 spot and I want one of those to be quite honest. I think there are a ton of potential 2nd/3rd round contributors at DT and OLB but I think the DEnds run out a bit after the first. That is why I am rootin hard for a DEnd with that first pick

I can see that but I think a team in the mid 2nds will wanna jump Seattle to get one of the QBs I dont think we could resist.

[wicket]

I can see that but I think a team in the mid 2nds will wanna jump Seattle to get one of the QBs I dont think we could resist.

ow i get that we should jump on it if there is a good value offer but we shouldnt look for offers is a good end is there

[Saints-Tigers]

Jeremy Shockey is just sort of a whiney dumbass, he's not like a real issue, and he was never a significant enough contributor here to really damage any cohesiveness if he did fly off the handle.

Drew Brees is the only guy that is like totally irreplaceable here, so as long as he's in good standing, I don't think a player could derail us, because no one is THAT important in the grand scheme of things here, we can usually reasonably replace most production.

[CJSchneider]

But honestly, I would love a trade down personally. So many teams will probably want 24 for the 2nd wave of QBs, we may get a 2nd + 3rd or something even better. I feel this draft is tailor made for us (DL all the way and athletic OLB's mid round graded) that we will actually do right this draft.

If Kerrigan is gone by pick 24 - I think that is ideal. I can only imagine would we could do with an additional 2nd and a 4th round pick.

[Sveen]

New mock by Pat Kirwin on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/mock-drafts/pat-kirwan/55052) actually has us trading down with Buffalo moving up for Jake Locker. Buffalo get #24 and the Saints get #34, #100, #122 and #133.

That would be a great scenario considering that Ryan Kerrigan and Da'Quan Bowers are both off the board. We could still grab a good defender at #34, and would have 9 picks total instead of 6.

Don Banks on Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/04/13/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html) has us taking Muhammad Wilkerson at #24.

[wicket]

New mock by Pat Kirwin on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/mock-drafts/pat-kirwan/55052) actually has us trading down with Buffalo moving up for Jake Locker. Buffalo get #24 and the Saints get #34, #100, #122 and #133.

That would be a great scenario considering that Ryan Kerrigan and Da'Quan Bowers are both off the board. We could still grab a good defender at #34, and would have 9 picks total instead of 6.

Don Banks on Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/04/13/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html) has us taking Muhammad Wilkerson at #24.

Id LOVE the former and be okay with the latter

[Saints-Tigers]

If we got that package of picks for 24, id be thrilledddd

[aregand]

I am really favoring trade down this year but that typically has not been the Saints usually New England or Philly. I do think we can get similar guys 10- 20 picks later that will have as good careers as what we will get at 24. I've seen Locker on some mocks to Redskins at 10, supposedly Coach 'Fantasy Devil' Shanahan loves him. Could be smokescreen though Locker has been all over the mocks from 1 preseason dropping into second. He will probably end up mid to late first I guess and would be great if we could profit from that QB hysteria.

[zachsaints52]

Been saying to trade down for awhile now :)

[CJSchneider]

New mock by Pat Kirwin on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/mock-drafts/pat-kirwan/55052) actually has us trading down with Buffalo moving up for Jake Locker. Buffalo get #24 and the Saints get #34, #100, #122 and #133.



If that happens, I will wet my pants in a public place.

[aregand]

Adam Schein Twitter quotes Bucs GM Domenik as stating he thinks 5-6 QBs will go in first round. Obviously after the two top 10 guys and maybe Locker most of the guys Mallett, Ponder and Kaepernick(sp) will be later and with Seattle behind us puts some teams hopefully wanting to jump ahead of them. Tradedown and take advantage of the QB hysteria- Geaux Saints!

[Saints Dome Patrol]

If that happens, I will wet my pants in a public place.

You still owe us one public masturbation after the Shaun Rogers signing... *wink wink*

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Been saying to trade down for awhile now :)

I'm all about trading down IF the number of picks and/or players are worth the move and all the big name players we're targeting are off the board.

[aregand]

Whoever we get better get ready- at Green Bay opening NFL Game offenses are similar but they definitely have edge on D. Need new blood to be ready- Geaux Saints.

Also I have no idea who the Saints are gonna take they usually surprise me -

[zachsaints52]

Lets compare our dream drafts :)

1. Makes most sense for a first rounder. Whoever sees that we have a actual solid pass rush is mistaken. Our big additions to the DE in Alex Brown got a solid 2.0 sacks this year, and didn't provide the pass rush. Gregg Williams said last year that he doesn't have the front 7 he wants in place, so what better thing to get then a DE who can play the run and provide better then average pass rush?

2. The NT we really need. Remember our SB run when Ellis was out? Teams was killing us up the middle, and still this past year we had troubles. Really need to get a guy who could just control the two A gaps, and let Sed do his thing.

3a. Williams LOVES athletic guys, and most people say Moch is undersized, but not for our OLB. We only have maybe 2 OLB bigger then him. He has off the charts measureables, and had solid production at Nevada. Williams could make something special with this guy.

3b. Am I the only one worried about Goodwin sucking? He has proven to not be a solid player, going off playing with Nicks and Evans to help him out. I think Kris would be a very big upgrade over Goodwin and owuld set our rebuilt young OL for years.

7a. I trust Tyrod wayyyy more then Sean Canfield... Tyler Palko... any other late round guys we have tried to get.

7b. A guy I personally know, check him out on Youtube. Reggies replacement.

[aregand]

I was just thinking about Goodwin today when I posted that the Saints usually surprise me- what if Pouncey fell would Saints take him? Goodwin wouldn't start for probably 10 other teams. Depends on the Saints board of course and isn't what most feel is a need area. He could sub at Guard and Center until groomed. Still favor trade down or DE- best D player but though that with Meacham pick couple years ago.

[zachsaints52]

Dont see a reason he would sub at Guard.

[aregand]

Goodwin could still get some snaps - let the guards rest a few plays - don't think we will have to worry about this scenario.

[wicket]

are yall forgetting tennant, he was looking great last season most of the time he played

[diabsoule]

My dream mock for us:

1. J.J. Watt/Ryan Kerrigan/Da'Quan Bowers
2. Mason Foster/Bruce Carter/Quan Sturdivant
3a. Quan Sturdivant/Kelvin Sheppard/
3b. Lance Kendricks/Jarvis Jenkins/K.J. Wright
7a. Alex Green/Stevan Ridley
7b. Bruce Miller

[wicket]

My updated dream mock:

1 Ryan Kerrigan (JJ Watt, DaQuan Bowers, Cameron Jordan)
2 Marvin Austin, Phil Taylor
3a Mason Foster (Quan Sturdivant, Bruce Carter)
3b KJ Wright, Chris Carter, Dontay Moch
7a Bilal Powell
7b Schuylar Oordt

[Saints-Tigers]

^ I would love that draft.

Of the DE's we could reasonably get though, I'd go Watt, Clayborne, then Kerrigan. I think Bowers dropping is a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and honestly, I think Watt is going to come off the board really early too.

[CJSchneider]

1. J.J. Watt/Ryan Kerrigan/Da'Quan Bowers
2. Mason Foster/Bruce Carter/Quan Sturdivant
3a. Quan Sturdivant/Kelvin Sheppard/

Up until here, Diab and I agree

3b. Jeron Johnson

7a. Stevan Ridley I even like this

7b. Martin Parker - DT - Richmond

[zachsaints52]

Anyone else getting that feeling we gonna pick someone that all of us will hate again? :/

[wicket]

Anyone else getting that feeling we gonna pick someone that all of us will hate again? :/

Pretty much yes, i think the following will happen again:
-draft will be nowhere near the needs
-good proven players will be traded for peanuts creating the perception of a need afterwards
-drafted players will work out and become starters in the holes created by the aforementioned trades
-people will praise front office for drafting
-team will not be that much stronger
-linebacker play will still blow

Next year this proces will start again

[CJSchneider]

Don't ******* think that way. That would be the equivalent to receiving socks and underwear on Christmas morning.

[zachsaints52]

This literally is my Christmas.... If you only had me on Facebook youd know I have been talking about the draft for about 3 months.

[zachsaints52]

How much are you willing to bet we will draft Ingram seasonticketholder?

[Seasonticketholder]

How much are you willing to bet we will draft Ingram seasonticketholder?

I don't bet. But I am convinced that if Ingram is there, he'll be our pick. Simple is that. Now, he may not make it to us. While the Giants covet an offensive lineman, they could very well shock and take Ingram. But if he's on the board at #24, unless he's there with Kerrigan and Jordan (which I doubt), he'll be the pick.

[Seasonticketholder]

Edited post. Bowers, Ingram, Luiget (don't like), Wilkerson, Clayborn, or Ayers will be a Saint by tonight.

[Sveen]

Sveen's 2011 NFL Draft Spreadsheet (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47182)

Enjoy :)

[Flyboy]

The only two players I want at #24 is Ingram or Bowers.

Make it happen, Loomis!

[wicket]

The only two players I want at #24 is Ingram or Bowers.

Make it happen, Loomis!

Id make an effort to get Loomis admitted to a mental hospital if the pick were to be ingram so I guess it has to be Bowers

[Saints-Tigers]

I hate the idea of taking a RB high, and love the idea of getting a LB.

Either way, I know from Loomis/Payton history, neither of these things will happen.

[SaintsMan]

I hope we end up with Ryan Kerrigan, De'Quan Bowers, Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram or Adrian Clayborn

[Saints-Tigers]

We should probably go Ingram, LeShoure, and Demarco Murray as our first 3 picks, because RBs could get hurt.

[Seasonticketholder]

The only two players I want at #24 is Ingram or Bowers.

Make it happen, Loomis!

Well, I could take those two (assuming the Bowers is cleared medically). I know they like him. I do not know who they have rated higher out of him and Ingram. I assume if both are healthy, Bowers would be the selection.

I would add Adrian Clayborn to that list as I know they like him.

[wicket]

We should probably go Ingram, LeShoure, and Demarco Murray as our first 3 picks, because RBs could get hurt.

on top of that all of em fit so sweetly in our offense

[Seasonticketholder]

Payton was just on WWL. Very effusive in his praise of Mark Ingram and sounded like they did extra homework on him. Talked about how Nick Saban's system prepares a player for the pros and how that matters to the Saints. It sounded like a guy who they had just drafted. Of course, he would have to be there when we pick and the Giants could very well take Ingram.

[Seasonticketholder]

If you like the Saints to add a DE/DT, so far things are going well. Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, DaQuan Bowers, Cameron Jordan, Ryan Kerrigan, etc., are still on the board. Maybe we pass on Ingram if one of those guys are there. I would be cool with any of those five though they could pass on Bowers. Fairley would be a "WOW" pick. So would Quinn and even Kerrigan.

[Sveen]

Fairley, Quinn and Kerrigan now gone. I was really hoping for Kerrigan, so dissapointed now.. Liuget, Bowers, Jordan, Clayborn, Heyward still available.

[Seasonticketholder]

It will be either DaQuan Bowers, Cameron Jordan, or Mark Ingram.

[wicket]

cameron jordan, do it mickey!!!!!

[Sveen]

The Eagles is about to select Danny Watkins.

Bowers, Jordan, Heyward, Ingram, Wilkerson still on the board.

[Sveen]

I'm hoping for Jordan or trade down right now I think. Don't know what to think of Bowers.

[Seasonticketholder]

Cam Jordan. I said Jordan and Kerrigan were the two guys they would take over Ingram.

[CJSchneider]

Welcome to the Big Easy, Mr. Jordan!

[wicket]

Cam Jordan. I said Jordan and Kerrigan were the two guys they would take over Ingram.

not what you said but thats not the point.

either way, I LOVE the pick

[Sveen]

I would have loved a trade down to get some more picks, but getting Cam Jordan at #24 is unbelievable :)

[Sveen]

jeffduncantp Jeff Duncan
Reiprish said the Saints did not consider Da'Quan Bowers at No. 24. Said they also had offers to trade back in the draft at No. 24.

Official_Saints New Orleans Saints
Reiprish said they had two offers to trade back...

[Seasonticketholder]

hey wicket, I told you that they liked Ingram. I also told you that if we passed him, that meant we would take our DE and try to get back up and get him.

[Sveen]

We have traded up for Mark Ingram, giving up our 1st next year. This just may have ruined my day.

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jeffduncantp Jeff Duncan
Saints trade their 2012 first rounder and their second rounder this year for No. 28.

It's official. It has ruined my day.

[SuperPacker]

Wheyyy!!! All those saints fans who were moaning at saints taking a RB in my mocks. Well you just lost a 2nd!!!

[Seasonticketholder]

Once Reiprish went out there to talk to the media, I knew they were trying to get back up to get Ingram. Reiprish never comes out. Usually Loomis does.

I kept trying to tell wicket to prepare himself.

[wicket]

loomis is now dead to me

[Bosanac01]

We're going to be a couple very sad teams discussion 2nd round next year. Hey you guys stole Cam Jordan, can't complain.

[CJSchneider]

I love the fact that we have Ingram, I just think we paid a bit too much for it.

[SaintsMan]

Jordan and Ingram! That's so awesome.

[Seasonticketholder]

Listen, we are only giving up one pick for him. The second. We are giving up a first next year for a first this year. So you kind of can look at the second as if we are moving up in the first round to grab the guy. That's not giving up much.

Also, wicket, I shared the inside information I had with you. I tried to prepare you and I told you that they were interested in him. Maybe next time, I will not send this information to you since you did not believe me and since you now feel Loomis is dead to you.

[Seasonticketholder]

If any other Saints fan, however, would like for me to share any information with them in the future, hey, no problem.

[Saints-Tigers]

Yay for lateral moves, and duplicating talent!

[CJSchneider]

This will be a very good trade when we look at it a few years from now. Mark my words.

[Sveen]

This will be a very good trade when we look at it a few years from now. Mark my words.

I really hope you are right :)

[Saints-Tigers]

A first and a second for another Pierre Thomas? Sorry, good RBs are draftable and undrafted late every year, spending two premium picks on one that is nearly a carbon copy of another guy on the roster (that we just put big money into) is dumb to me.

So do they just cut Reggie now and make this even more lateral?

[CJSchneider]

Think about it, we gave up a second (maybe a tad too steep) to snatch a first rounder a year early. For as much as I love what Bush, PT and Ivory do for us, we need a healthy back. You aren't going to find a better one in this draft than Ingram. This is a good thing guys.

[Saints-Tigers]

Ingram was hurt last year. Trying to project a backs health is dubious at best. Some late round back is going to blow up and make us look dumb for giving a first and a second for Mark Ingram.

[CJSchneider]

If we get any combo of DT/LB/S with our two 3rd round picks, this draft will be a huge success in my opinion.

[wicket]

This will be a very good trade when we look at it a few years from now. Mark my words.

doubt this very much

[Saints-Tigers]

This draft will be fine, next draft it's gonna hurt, when we have a huge gaping hole somewhere and no first rounder.

I just look at it as... Bush/Ivory/Thomas + 2nd rounder + future first, OR Ingram + some combo of Bush/Ivory/Thomas.

I think it's a no brainer, we're going to end up losing one of Bush, Ivory, or Thomas.

[bornnraisedwhodat]

You guys will be eating a lot of crow when the season kicks off and you see how awesome our team is.

[Saints-Tigers]

So you're saying you'd rather Ingram over (pick one of the other 3) + a 1st and a 2nd rounder? This ain't about next season only, we can't keep tossing away premium picks.

[wicket]

So you're saying you'd rather Ingram over (pick one of the other 3) + a 1st and a 2nd rounder? This ain't about next season only, we can't keep tossing away premium picks.

agreed, we wasted 2 premium picks on 1 player that we dont need and doesnt fit in our offense. Im friggin angry about this

[aregand]

In this offense Ingram will excel and be RELIABLE - can now trade our late round undrafted rbs for 2-3 round picks and PROFIT we don't have to keep them

[Saints-Tigers]

Ingram WILL fit, and be a damn good player. If someone gives up 2nds and 3rds for Thomas and Ivory, then I won't hate it, but it won't happen.

Too much for him IMO, good player, but not dominant.

[aregand]

I am happy to have emmitt smith clone on team. Reggie bush traded or cut if contract not cut to part timer salary

[CJSchneider]

This draft will be fine, next draft it's gonna hurt, when we have a huge gaping hole somewhere and no first rounder.

I just look at it as... Bush/Ivory/Thomas + 2nd rounder + future first, OR Ingram + some combo of Bush/Ivory/Thomas.

I think it's a no brainer, we're going to end up losing one of Bush, Ivory, or Thomas.

As it stands now, we will have just as many picks next year as we did this year.

[Saints-Tigers]

Well if he rushes for 1800+ yards and 26 touchdowns, we'll take it, but if everyone really thought he was going to duplicate Emmitt Smith, he wouldn't have slipped.

I like all 4 of our backs, but I dunno if it was worth it.

[aregand]

Was hoping for Wilkerson but not surprised about ingram at all.
Like both picks have bloodlines know what needs to be done for good of team

[aregand]

Remember emmitt had aikman Irvin he was steady and reliable not explosive.
Reggie bush twitter statement ' it's been fun new orleans '