New Orleans Saints Draft thread

[Flyboy]

I think we killed Round One of the draft and knew Ingram was a virtual lock to NO; just not by trade. I love it.

[Flyboy]

If any other Saints fan, however, would like for me to share any information with them in the future, hey, no problem.

*raises his hand*

Please, sir!

[CJSchneider]

Remember emmitt had aikman Irvin he was steady and reliable not explosive.
Reggie bush twitter statement ' it's been fun new orleans '

http://twitter.com/#!/reggie_bush


Oh snap!!!!

[bullg8rdaddy]

This will be a very good trade when we look at it a few years from now. Mark my words.

I see what you did there. lol


Good first round for you guys, IMO. FWIW, I would be happy to have Bush on our roster to take over for Caddy.

[Seasonticketholder]

Bush was talking about the Hornets losing to the Lakers, not leaving the Saints.

[diabsoule]

It's always risky trading your future for the present. That's what the Saints did tonight. As ecstatic as I was about the Cameron Jordan pick, I was just as much deflated by the Ingram selection. I knew what it cost the moment I saw we had traded up.

I don't doubt Ingram's talent but the track record of Heisman winners hasn't been very successful when it comes to how they have panned out in the NFL. I felt that if we wanted to go RB that we could have possibly selected Mikel LeShoure or Ryan Williams in the 2nd or someone like Kendall Hunter, Daniel Thomas, DeMarco Murray in the 3rd.

We'll see how it pans out and I'm hoping for the best. All of us know that Reggie Bush has been a disappointment considering his salary and his draft position and we can only hope that Ingram fulfills and exceeds our expectations.

[Flyboy]

It's always risky trading your future for the present. That's what the Saints did tonight. As ecstatic as I was about the Cameron Jordan pick, I was just as much deflated by the Ingram selection. I knew what it cost the moment I saw we had traded up.


Our window to win championships is now, though and with the comments that Payton & Loomis made after the draft they realize this.

[Flyboy]

Bush was talking about the Hornets losing to the Lakers, not leaving the Saints.

That's such bull and pure P.R. spin.

[SuperPacker]

Think about it guys. You have the same number of picks this year, Two really special, hard working players, so you only really lose a 1st next year. But i wont matter anyway, you will be in the playoffs anyway so it wont be a high pick.

Your DL is sorted with Smith-Ellis-Rogers-Jordan and you have your first pounding RB in a while to help take pressure of Drew Brees.

Still wanna batter you on the first thursday of the season.

GO PACK GO!!!

[aregand]

Maybe they address lb in free agency isn't Barnett from gb a likely cut? Not that they won't draft one but lb rookie impact usually not great. Would still like dt and lb in round 3.
I have already said I like Ingram wish they could have bargained one of those 3rd rounders instead of a second.

[Caddy]

I hate that your team got so much better today. The NFC South is a god damn nightmare division. (Excluding Carolina :D )

[Saints Dome Patrol]

It's always risky trading your future for the present. That's what the Saints did tonight. As ecstatic as I was about the Cameron Jordan pick, I was just as much deflated by the Ingram selection. I knew what it cost the moment I saw we had traded up.

I don't doubt Ingram's talent but the track record of Heisman winners hasn't been very successful when it comes to how they have panned out in the NFL. I felt that if we wanted to go RB that we could have possibly selected Mikel LeShoure or Ryan Williams in the 2nd or someone like Kendall Hunter, Daniel Thomas, DeMarco Murray in the 3rd.

We'll see how it pans out and I'm hoping for the best. All of us know that Reggie Bush has been a disappointment considering his salary and his draft position and we can only hope that Ingram fulfills and exceeds our expectations.

diabsoule, I don't know why you're so "deflated" by the Mark Ingram pick. While I don't disagree with you that the running back class is somewhat deep, the talent level really drops off after the top two or three, in my opinion. We all know as Saints fans that we couldn't seem to keep a running back healthy last season when we ended up with five on injury reserve by the end of the season.

I know you're well aware of this, but a team can never have too many players at a position that faces a huge amount of wear and tear. The Saints were in the bottom of many rushing categories because of the rash of injuries we had last season.

We are all aware that Pierre Thomas was a disgruntled player last season, with his whole contract situation, coupled with his injury, it really seemed that he was in Sean Payton's doghouse. Reggie Bush was injured as well, and we can agree, hasn't really lived up to his second overall selection status as a running back. Lastly, Chris Ivory was like finding a diamond in a coal mine, but he was also hurt and isn't a top tier running back.

I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I really think Ingram is a solid pick. I really thought the Saints were possibly going to take him at 24, and I realize that some may complain about the trade (which might be a tad steep), the pick is of a position of need and New Orleans got arguably the best running back in this year's draft. Plain and simple. Ingram is better than Ivory, different style than Bush all together and dare I say it, better than Pierre Thomas as well.

I agree, let's all hope that Ingram pans out for us better than other running backs that we've chosen in the past.

I hate that your team got so much better today. The NFC South is a god damn nightmare division. (Excluding Carolina :D )

And a tip of the hat to you as well, Mr. Caddy. When in Rome.

[zachsaints52]

That's such bull and pure P.R. spin.

Your the one who just told that guy to keep giving you inside information. Maybes thats inside information.


Hate the pick. I woulda rather traded our first next year for a 2nd this year and pick up Leshoure or someone if we just had to have a RB.Yeah, our 1st next year will be a 25-32 range, but to me Ingram just won't do it for me.

[FTRWRTR]

Saying that getting ingram is a lateral move is insane. Bush is 6' 205 while ingram is 5'9 215. Ingram is MUCH better suited to be a workhorse rb for the saints.

IMO new orleans had the best first round of the draft and your team is going to be awesome.

[wicket]

after thinking about it id rather not have picked anyone than ingram with that pick. With ingram in the team payton will be forced to do stuff that doesnt match saints football

[Saints-Tigers]

How much better do you guys think Ingram will be than Ivory/Thomas?

Personally, I think Ivory is the best pure runner, with the most upside as far as purely running the football goes.

Wicket, I know you are mad about the pick, but I dunno why you think he's a bad fit. He's almost a carbon copy of Pierre, who you love( i think).

[wicket]

How much better do you guys think Ingram will be than Ivory/Thomas?

Personally, I think Ivory is the best pure runner, with the most upside as far as purely running the football goes.

Wicket, I know you are mad about the pick, but I dunno why you think he's a bad fit. He's almost a carbon copy of Pierre, who you love( i think).

he is nowhere near a carbon copy of thomas. thomas is twice a shifty and a good bit faster. ingram is more physical and has better vision.

ingram is the type of back you use to tire our a defense whilst you use thomas to create mismatches, keep the defense on the wrong foot with screens and stuff

[Saints-Tigers]

No two players are exactly alike, but they are very similar.

Both are going to be patient, one cut guys that might make a small shift or wiggle to make a guy not get a clean hit.

Don't think there is a significant speed difference at all, and neither has "special" receiving ability, but can catch the ball and let blocks set up well enough.

Don't think Ingram is more physical, Thomas plays with that same low pad level and will stick his nose in any pile, and neither coughs the ball up.

They're pretty similar.

[aregand]

I think the last few years trying to mold the offense to get any value from Bush just wasn't working out. Defenses knew he wasn't going inside and I think with the injuries the speed edge he did have has diminished.

Although he has publicly claimed willingness to renegotiate it is reported that there has been no progress in that area.

Now with Ingram pick they can move offense closer to what they envision, time share likely btw Thomas / Ingram and not have to play RB roulette. They still have Thomas if Ingram holds out.

[Saints-Tigers]

I don't think Ingram and Reggie effect each other all that much to be honest. If reggie was being phased out, he was being phased out, he and Ingram are so radically different.

Pierre Thomas and Ingram are the guys that will overlap the most, and with Ivory's ball security and pass protection issues, he might be playing catch up a LOT, given he will get back in late.

Cam Jordan is amazing! Enough can't be said about us taking him, it was so good that we aren't even discussing it, haha.

[zachsaints52]

I just don't see why we gave up that for a RB who won't get 17 carries a game.

People bring up the SB year, but we didn't have one guy who averaged more then 13 carries a game that year. Thats what made our offense awesome, was we had three backs who could do different things to keep a team on its toes. And when you worry about the RB's, oh wait we still had Brees.

[wicket]

I just don't see why we gave up that for a RB who won't get 17 carries a game.

People bring up the SB year, but we didn't have one guy who averaged more then 13 carries a game that year. Thats what made our offense awesome, was we had three backs who could do different things to keep a team on its toes. And when you worry about the RB's, oh wait we still had Brees.

and the lionshare of the carries came in garbage time in the fourth quarter in games we had longsince wrapped up.

[zachsaints52]

and the lionshare of the carries came in garbage time in the fourth quarter in games we had longsince wrapped up.

Aka Mike Bell time.

[Sveen]

So what do we think will happen today? As of now we have two 3rd round picks.

[Sveen]

Had we been on the clock right now we could have gotten Martez Wilson, Mason Foster, Mikel Leshoure or maybe Brandon Harris.

[Sveen]

7 more picks before we are on the clock. I really like that we didn't trade back into the 2nd. I actually wouldn't mind to see us trade one of our 3rd's for some more picks early tomorrow.

Right now there are a lot of good linebackers still on the board.

[saintsfan912]

Still trying to figure out how that trade was so damn steep. We moved up an entire round for a pick that's 80% likely to be in the late 20s next season. Don't go jumping off of buildings over this. Mark Ingram is solid and will probably be the best back we have this season. He's a 100% better pass blocker than Pierre and Ivory, runs like a Mac truck and can catch out of the backfield. Oh yea, he won the Heisman as a SOPHMORE! The guy is gonna be great running up the gut behind Evans and Nicks, calm the hell down.

[Sveen]

Three more picks and it's finally our turn again. Can't wait :D

[saintsfan912]

Who do we pick here? Nevis? Foster?

[Sveen]

I'm guessing BPA on their board. A linebacker would be nice. Maybe Wilson or Foster? Who knows. Last year we took Charles Brown when no one saw us taking a tackle. He was the highest rated player at that time. Simple as that. May even be Hankerson here. Or Bailey?

[Sveen]

We're on! The picks so far in the 3rd have been good for us. We have the choice of many good players.

[Saints-Tigers]

YESSSsssssss

[Sveen]

Yes! I like it. Thank you Mickey and Sean :)

[saintsfan912]

Wasn't Wilson projected as a borderline 1st/definate 2nd round guy?

[FTRWRTR]

Wilson is another quality pick for you guys.

[CJSchneider]

http://www.lonelyislandvideos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jizz_in_pants_andy_samberg.jpg

We just won the draft!!!

[Sveen]

Our Draft just went from a C to a B for me.

[saintsfan912]

Boy do I hope Nevis falls to us later in the 3rd.

[CJSchneider]

Our Draft just went from a C to a B for me.

I am loving this draft. I'm so excited about the three guys we have nabbed so far.

[Scotty D]

You guys are owning the draft. Love Cam Jordan, Ingram, and Wilson.

[CJSchneider]

Still 4 guys I'm real big on still on the boards.

Drake Nevis
Mason Foster
Jeron Johnson
Mark Herzlich

[Saints-Tigers]

CAm Jordan and Tez are going to make a nasty left side.

[Sveen]

One guy I would really like in the 7th is Ryan Winterswyk. As for our pick in the 3rd I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down to get two more picks tomorrow.

[Seasonticketholder]

There's no way wicket should hate Loomis. We got three players in Mike Detellier's top 40 and CBS's 43. Cam Jordan was the second highest rated DE by CBS while Ingram and Wilson were #1 at each of their respective positions.

This draft is killing it!

Now, Kenrick Ellis is still there. He would be a huge pick, no pun intended. I would also keep an eye on Jerrel Jernigan just because they want to improve their return game though they could just wait until the 7th round and take Phil Livas. Livas had 8 returns doing his collegiate career and he did have a nice visit with the Saints. They like him a lot!

Mason Foster is still up there as well as is Drake Nevis. We could use some safety help too.

[Saints-Tigers]

I would be cool with another LB.

[CJSchneider]

Still 4 guys I'm real big on still on the boards.

Drake Nevis
Mason Foster
Jeron Johnson
Mark Herzlich

There's no way wicket should hate Loomis. We got three players in Mike Detellier's top 40 and CBS's 43. Cam Jordan was the second highest rated DE by CBS while Ingram and Wilson were #1 at each of their respective positions.

This draft is killing it!

Now, Kenrick Ellis is still there. He would be a huge pick, no pun intended. I would also keep an eye on Jerrel Jernigan just because they want to improve their return game though they could just wait until the 7th round and take Phil Livas. Livas had 8 returns doing his collegiate career and he did have a nice visit with the Saints. They like him a lot!

Mason Foster is still up there as well as is Drake Nevis. We could use some safety help too.

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[SINCE1978]

I just wanted to stop by & say I love your draft so far! A guy like Drake Nevis,Mason Foster or James Brewer @ 88 would really warp up the #1 slot for you guys imo.

Who dat? Nice work ....

[Sveen]

Wouldn't mind Livas and/or Jeron Johnson.

[bullg8rdaddy]

CAm Jordan and Tez are going to make a nasty left side.

Quoted for troof.

Congrats on those picks. I am jealous. Really wanted us to get 'Tez.

/no sarcasm

[CJSchneider]

Foster to TB makes me a sad panda. :(

[Sveen]

You're not the only one... :(

[Sveen]

And Jah Reid too. I really like him... :(

[CJSchneider]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


That's the second year in a row the Colts have stolen a pick of ours.

[CJSchneider]

I'm happy with Patrick here.

[Sveen]

Hmm. Johnny Patrick. Good value it seems (as usual). Would rather have seen us trading down though.

[CJSchneider]

Don't be surprised if we don't find a way to trae back into late round 4 or early round 5.

[Sveen]

Looking at next year we have 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 2 x 6th, 7th.
Not thrilled to give up a 3rd or 4th also next year to get a 4th or 5th this year.
Wouldn't be surprised at all to see it happen though.

[aregand]

If they trade up in late 3 early 4 I would like big DT - Kendrick Ellis or Jerrell Powe- if still available. draft moving faster than I can Type! Shaun Rogers won't be more than a year or two away from the cliff need to be prepared.

[Sveen]

Ellis is gone. I too like Powe though. Would be a nice addition.

[Sveen]

miketripletttp
Payton said Patrick was in a group with equally-rated players, including Washington LB Mason Foster and Central Florida OT Jah Reid.

Wish we had gotten Jah Reid instead. Intriguing player.

[CJSchneider]

Ellis is gone. I too like Powe though. Would be a nice addition.

Yeah, but after we signed Tom Johnson and Shaun Rogers, I kind of knew we would not be drafting a DT, despite how much I loved some of the prospects available.

[wicket]

Love the Wilson pick today, am kinda meh about patrick but randall is getting old so I can make a case for it.

Was not unhappy at all when I woke up to see what was in store.

[Sveen]

It's on again. Looking like we have to wait a long time to see another Saints pick if we don't trade back into the 4th, 5th or 6th.

[CJSchneider]

Patrick will be a Special Teams contributer for sure and we all know the need the team has for some quality CB depth.

[Saints-Tigers]

Do the Saints trade back in, or is our annual OL pick going to be a 7th rounder? Marcus Cannon?

[Sveen]

If we trade back in I don't think we do it until the 5th or 6th. Wouldn't be surprised to see us pick up a developmental OL today.

[CJSchneider]

Sturdivant and Herzlich are still there. I will pop a boner if we trade back in and grab either one.

[wicket]

Sturdivant and Herzlich are still there. I will pop a boner if we trade back in and grab either one.

sturdi plz, Herzlich is a pure SLB just like Wilson

[zachsaints52]

Can someone give me info on Patrick? From what I saw on ESPNs page, (going strictly by his combine numbers) he isnt a blazer, can't jump, but has decent strength. Personally, I hate Randall ***, but just wondering why another CB so soon.


And still not happy bout the Ingram pick. Noone has told me how we could win a SB with a guy averaging 13 CPG when we draft a guy who needs 20ish.

[wicket]

Can someone give me info on Patrick? From what I saw on ESPNs page, (going strictly by his combine numbers) he isnt a blazer, can't jump, but has decent strength. Personally, I hate Randall ***, but just wondering why another CB so soon.


And still not happy bout the Ingram pick. Noone has told me how we could win a SB with a guy averaging 13 CPG when we draft a guy who needs 20ish.

i think 13 is pushing it. More like 8-10

regarding patrick i really dont like the pick either but I dont hate it either. The guy is a very physical corner who will never be more than a nickel corner. Good special team player probably good in run support. The thought is probably that they want to go into the season with 5 corners and with patrick being the fifth guy until he wins from randall. He will make the roster but will never be a big contributor outside of special teams.

Therefore I do see the role they envision for him but I am not sure if Im happy spending a third rounder on that with shanle still being a projected starter (barf)

[zachsaints52]

i think 13 is pushing it. More like 8-10

regarding patrick i really dont like the pick either but I dont hate it either. The guy is a very physical corner who will never be more than a nickel corner. Good special team player probably good in run support. The thought is probably that they want to go into the season with 5 corners and with patrick being the fifth guy until he wins from randall. He will make the roster but will never be a big contributor outside of special teams.

Therefore I do see the role they envision for him but I am not sure if Im happy spending a third rounder on that with shanle still being a projected starter (barf)

Mike Bell 13 games 172 carries= 13 carries per game :) (Had to look it up as well.)

I just don't see how either about getting yet another CB when we have gaping holes. Unless we can get someone the other teams can't tender, like Manny Lawson (Man crush, but would love him at DE probably) going into the season with holes while we get a backup RB and CB is ridiculous.

[Sveen]

I'd love for a couple of Boise State players to drop in our lap in the 7th. S Jeron Johnson and DE Ryan Winterswyk.

Edit: Mark Herzlich is actually still on the board too. I would LOVE to bring him in. Pre-cancer he was a top 5-10 pick. Could end up a huge steal.

[wicket]

2 of DeAndre McDaniel, Mark Herzlich, Ian Williams and Deunta Williams would work just fine for me

[CJSchneider]

2 of DeAndre McDaniel, Mark Herzlich, Ian Williams and Deunta Williams would work just fine for me

add Jeron Johnson. Lee Ziemba, Martin Parker nad Daniel Hardy to that list.

[CJSchneider]

Don't forget Greg Romeus and Jeremy Beal.

[Sveen]

We are finally back on the clock. Plenty of interesting players still available. Romeus, Herzlich, Jeron Johnson, McDaniel...

[CJSchneider]

Greg Romeus - Welcome to the Big Easy!

[Sveen]

Greg Romeus it is. Excellent value. I like it.
Top rated available player in Scott's top 254

[wicket]

back issues as reason for his big fall I guess

[Bosanac01]

Man you guys just stole Romeous from us. Hopefully he stays healthy, because he's a hell of a player.

[CJSchneider]

Yeah, get his butt to a chiropractor and get him healthy.

[Saints-Tigers]

I'd like a safety, but I think it will be some OL that we never heard of that becomes a damn good player :D

[Sveen]

I'm guessing Southeastern Louisiana OT Kevin Hughes.

[CJSchneider]

DeAndre McDaniel, Mark Herzlich, Ian Williams and Deunta Williams, Jeron Johnson, Lee Ziemba, Martin Parker and Daniel Hardy are all still available.

[CJSchneider]

Nathan Bussey, welcome to the Saints!

[Sveen]

Anyone know anything about Nate Bussey? I wish they had drafted Mark Herzlich instead.

[wicket]

Anyone know anything about Nate Bussey? I wish they had drafted Mark Herzlich instead.

I dont see it, payton was talkg about you want to see something even if its one thing that is special about their games with late rounders

no idea what that thing would be with bussey

[SaintsMan]

Anyone know anything about Nate Bussey? I wish they had drafted Mark Herzlich instead.

http://**************.com/nate-bussey-mr-versatility

[Seasonticketholder]

Greg Romeus is my second favorite pick after Mark Ingram. He was a guy I mentioned several times leading up to the draft as a player I liked and thought would be a good backup plan if missed on a DE in the first round. I think Romeus is a huge steal and a guy who can rush the passer and play the run. If healthy, he's a HUGE steal in the 7th round.

[aregand]

Herzlich unsigned free agent hope Saints consider giving him a shot. couple big DT prospects too...

[CJSchneider]

That is as soon as teams can talk to UDFA's.

[diabsoule]

Here are my top UDFA targets:

1. Ian Williams, DT, Notre Dame
2. Jeron Johnson, S, Boise State
3. Martin Parker, DT, Richmond
4. Darvin Adams, WR, Auburn
5. Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina
6. Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina
7. Schuyler Oordt, TE, Northern Iowa
8. Mario Fannin, RB/WR, Auburn

[CJSchneider]

Add Mark Herzlich to that and it will be even sexier.

[diabsoule]

Add Mark Herzlich to that and it will be even sexier.

I admire Herzlich very much and there is no denying his courage, commitment, and leadership abilities but I just don't see him being successful at the next level.

[diabsoule]

Immediately after the NFL Draft was a time where the 32 teams around the league would contact undrafted free agents (UDFA's) to see if they would like to be invited to their training camp to compete for a roster spot. Since the NFL lockout is still in effect, teams will not be allowed to contact any of the priority UDFA's that they might have on their radar.

The New Orleans Saints have been very successful in finding these hidden “gems” as running backs Pierre Thomas and Chris Ivory, wide receiver Lance Moore, and defensive tackle Remi Ayodele are just a few of the UDFA's (undrafted free agents) that have made a significant impact for the Saints. This year would be no different if the team was allowed to contact any undrafted player.

It is all but guaranteed, however, that once the lockout is lifted that every team will be burning up the phone lines to bring in some of the players that fell through the cracks of the NFL Draft. Below is a list of ten priority UDFA's that could and should be on the New Orleans Saints radar once the time comes that they're able to contact the undrafted players.

No. 1 – Ian Williams, defensive tackle, Notre Dame
The big, 320lb Williams is the type of prototypical run stopper that most teams covet. He's smart, aggressive, and possesses good instincts and is the type of player that could effectively take over for Shaun Rogers once his time in New Orleans comes to a close.

No. 2 – Jeron Johnson, safety, Boise State
It was very surprising that Johnson didn't get his name called during the draft since he possesses all the tools necessary to succeed at the next level. He loves to hit, has a strong upper body, had excellent production in college, and is a solid defender just to name a handful of traits. Johnson would make an excellent special teamer and provide better depth at safety than the Saints currently posses on the roster.

No. 3 – Cedric Thornton, defensive tackle, Southern Arkansas
Thornton was one of the few small school invitees to the Senior Bowl. He's big, solid, and country strong and is the type that if brought along slowly he could emerge as a starter. Needs a veteran locker room, like the Saints possess.

No. 4 – Darvin Adams, wide receiver, Auburn
A tall, intelligent, football-savvy, SEC tested receiver who is dependable in the passing game. He's not an effective run blocker but he is more than willing to toss his body around and draws some comparisons to current Saint, and possibly cap casualty, Devery Henderson.

No. 5 – Martin Parker, defensive tackle, Richmond
The defensive tackle position for the Saints lacks effective depth and Parker would help rectify that. A big, fast, intelligent, productive tackle for a top-notch FCS football program, Parker is the type that with the proper coaching could turn into a very solid rotational DT.

No. 6 – Dane Sanzenbacher, wide receiver, Ohio State
A tough, gritty, reliable receiver who rarely drops the football. He's a tremendous route runner who simply knows how to get open. One of the few drawbacks to his game is his lack of bulk and that he throws his body around too much. His game and ability to catch any pass will draw similar comparisons to Lance Moore who may depart through free agency.

No. 7 – Willie Smith, offensive tackle, East Carolina
A converted tight end who is understandably a very athletic offensive tackle that plays with proper technique. His solid character, work ethic, and passion for the game will help him out as he already possesses the size and length to be a developmental NFL tackle.

No. 8 – Mario Harvey, outside linebacker, Marshall
An extremely aggressive, compact, muscular and thickly built linebacker prospect who racked up excellent statistics against BCS competition. Harvey has the potential, desire, coachability, work ethic, blitzing skills, and overall football instincts to make him at the very least a standout special team performer and adequate back-up for multiple linebacking positions.

No. 9 – Henry Hynoski, fullback, Pittsburgh
Heath Evans future is in doubt in New Orleans so that leaves a gaping hole at FB. The Saints need someone to help open running lanes for new running back Mark Ingram and Hynoski is a nasty, old-school, aggressive, instinctive blocker that craves contact. He can also effectively catch the ball out of the backfield having caught 40 catches for an average of 7.1 yards while playing at Pitt.

No. 10 – Garrett Chisolm, offensive guard, South Carolina
The reason for Chisolm falling out of the NFL draft is that he blew out his knee at the end of the season. He has the ability and size to play either at guard or tackle at the next level and given time could very well be a hidden “gem” that every team covets.

Those ten are just a handful of players that the Saints could and should target once they are allowed by the NFL to discuss with undrafted free agents. While this draft may not have been particularly deep at most positions, there is a possibility that it could yield a few diamonds in the rough and the Saints have proven to be effective miners of talent.

[wicket]

My pick by pick grades:

Cameron Jordan A+
Mark Ingram F
Martez Wilson A+
Johnny Patrick C
Greg Romeus A
Nate Bussey C+
Overall draft B-

[BaLLiN]

Here are my top UDFA targets:

1. Ian Williams, DT, Notre Dame
2. Jeron Johnson, S, Boise State
3. Martin Parker, DT, Richmond
4. Darvin Adams, WR, Auburn
5. Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina
6. Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina
7. Schuyler Oordt, TE, Northern Iowa
8. Mario Fannin, RB/WR, Auburn

Fannin at WR? i see him as a west coast FB really

[CJSchneider]

I admire Herzlich very much and there is no denying his courage, commitment, and leadership abilities but I just don't see him being successful at the next level.

Are you serious? The guy was going to be a top 15 pick before his medical battles. I am amazed that no one took a chance on him. I will eat my words if I am wrong, but I doubt I will have to.



No. 1 – Ian Williams, defensive tackle, Notre Dame

No. 2 – Jeron Johnson, safety, Boise State

No. 4 – Darvin Adams, wide receiver, Auburn

No. 5 – Martin Parker, defensive tackle, Richmond

No. 7 – Willie Smith, offensive tackle, East Carolina

No. 9 – Henry Hynoski, fullback, Pittsburgh



Add Herzlich to that list and I would be ecstatic.

[Flyboy]

I really think we should have drafted Mason Foster over Johnny Patrick... hopefully I'm proven wrong.

[Caddy]

I really think we should have drafted Mason Foster over Johnny Patrick... hopefully I'm proven wrong.

Hopefully you aren't!!!! :D

[wicket]

I really think we should have drafted Mason Foster over Johnny Patrick... hopefully I'm proven wrong.

the bucs picked him a few picks ahead of us.

Id have preffered Jordan Cameron just because of the confusion it would bring.

[diabsoule]

I really think we should have drafted Mason Foster over Johnny Patrick... hopefully I'm proven wrong.

I think we should have as well. Him, Wilson, and Cam Jordan would have been a HUGE upgrade over what we currently have. As is, I'm extremely pleased with Tez and Cam but Mason Foster would just increased our talent on defense even more so.

[wicket]

I think we should have as well. Him, Wilson, and Cam Jordan would have been a HUGE upgrade over what we currently have. As is, I'm extremely pleased with Tez and Cam but Mason Foster would just increased our talent on defense even more so.

he was taken ahead of patrick though.

I agree he wouldve been an incredible pick basically giving us 2 possible instant starters in our linebacking corps from third rounders

[villagewarrior]

Wow, I love the Saints draft! Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram, Martez Wilson, and Greg Romeus are great picks. I don't know that I for sure like giving up 2 first round picks for a running back, but Ingram was easily the best in the class. Patrick has some ability, though I don't much like the character issues. It's a long day as fans when you only pick in 3 rounds, but I think the Saints did very well for themselves.

[aregand]

OK fans draft is over what free agents are we looking at? Nick barnett for the pack is rumored to be released would like him lb , it could be 2-3 yrs for Martez Wilson to develop according to some. Wouldn't mind another DT or even OT. Not sure what other LB prospects are out there.

[zachsaints52]

Resign our own FAs, get a OLB. Boom, winningggg

[wicket]

My pick by pick grades:

Cameron Jordan A+
Mark Ingram F
Martez Wilson A+
Johnny Patrick C
Greg Romeus A
Nate Bussey C+
Overall draft B-

and how the picks look now

Cameron Jordan A
Mark Ingram F
Martez Wilson B+
Johnny Patrick B+
Greg Romeus B
Nate Bussey C
Overall draft B-

[NOLAFan]

and how the picks look now

Cameron Jordan A
Mark Ingram F
Martez Wilson B+
Johnny Patrick B+
Greg Romeus B
Nate Bussey C
Overall draft B-

I think on second inspection our overall draft grade would be lower. Ingram is something other than an F at this point. The guy is just awful at the line of scrimmage. Not that our line is helping him much but God is the guy awful. I had such high hopes for the guy.

[Auron]

Well let's not jump to declare Ingram a bust just yet, he's only what 6 games into his NFL career. The whole running game has underperformed some of that is on the backs, (personally I think Sproles has done the best of making something out of nothing) but it's hard for me to fault them when a lot of times they are getting met at or behind the Line of scrimmage by Defensive players.

You can see flashes at times with Ingram, on the Houston and Tampa TD runs he made some nice cuts to get to the End Zone.

Overall though it was not wise to give up what we did for him, especially since we didn't really need another Running Back when we have the issues on Defense we currently do, even an Offensive Linemen would have made for sense. However that's the pick we made so we just have to live with it.

[wicket]

I would like to have them dialing the ingram carries down till he is not as useless in the passing game. The offense suffers when he is in atm

[SaintsFanForLife]

Well let's not jump to declare Ingram a bust just yet, he's only what 6 games into his NFL career. The whole running game has underperformed some of that is on the backs, (personally I think Sproles has done the best of making something out of nothing) but it's hard for me to fault them when a lot of times they are getting met at or behind the Line of scrimmage by Defensive players.

You can see flashes at times with Ingram, on the Houston and Tampa TD runs he made some nice cuts to get to the End Zone.

Overall though it was not wise to give up what we did for him, especially since we didn't really need another Running Back when we have the issues on Defense we currently do, even an Offensive Linemen would have made for sense. However that's the pick we made so we just have to live with it.

I agree, Im not ready to blame the running backs that much just yet. I think the O line has been pushed around allot this year we look week even though we have two of the best guards in the league. At the end of the day we are getting beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We have to get better play from both our lines or else we will continue to not be affective in the running game and on getting to the QB on defense. I took a break from the forums but im back. Geaux Saints

[CJSchneider]

Cut Ingram some slack. He is leading all rookies in rushing yards. I think what most Ingram downers dislike is "where" we picked him not "that" we picked him.

[Saints-Tigers]

I think all the people that wanted Ingram so bad should finally start acknowledging that our lack of running game had little to do with how good/bad our backs were.

[wicket]

Cut Ingram some slack. He is leading all rookies in rushing yards. I think what most Ingram downers dislike is "where" we picked him not "that" we picked him.

no, i actually dislike more that we picked him and not where we picked him. If he was anything but an UDFA i think he'd be a ******** pickup given the saints system and ive been on record here saying exactly that.

he is not leading all rookies in yardage, not leading all rookies in ypc, not leading all rookies in tds (although he is leading rookie rbs in rushing tds). he is about dead last in ypc. This doesnt even consider his pathetic contribution to the passing game thusfar.

Yes the kid is a rookie but he is the kind of prospect that was supposed to contribute straight away and thusfar having him on the saints has only hurt the team, not made it better. Im going to be quite blunt and say that just from an own team perspective the saints would be better of just cutting him (not that it will ever happen)

[wicket]

just did somewhat of a mock draft for the saints, i dindt use scotts rankings which i might do when he updates them to include non-seniors

Im using the some other draft site that i wont name in order to not be plugging another draftsite on this one overall rankings so if you disagree on where a player goes, well, dealwithit

From a need perspective im looking
OLB, the biggest need by far

other positions im looking at early
OT, mediocre play, not a lot of depth from our guys
WR, a lot of guys going to free agency
TE, with David Thomas regressing the depth is getting suspect.
DT, Rogers and Franklin are both on 1 year contracts, outside of ellis there is not much else there.
SS, Harper is to much of a liability, maybe a situation where you pull harper for a more natural safety will improve the 3rd and long D.

2nd round: Jarvis Jones, SLB, Georgia (63rd)
Lavonte David, WLB, Nebraska (68th)
Alamada Ta'amu, NT, Washington (59th)

3rd round: Kenny Tate, WLB, Maryland (93rd)
Nate Potter, LT, Boise State (95th)
Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas (90th)

4th round: Jeff Fuller, WR, aTm (123rd)
Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame (127th)
Tony Bergstrom, OT, Utah (122nd)

5th round: Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU (150th)
Mike Martin, DT, Michigan (147th)
Markus Zusevics, OT, Iowa (160th)

6th round: Juron Criner,WR, Arizona, (181th)
Greg Childs, WR, Arkansas (185th)
Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati (180th)

7th round: BJ Cunningham, WR, Michigan State (200th)
Kevin Koger, TE, Michigan (202th)
DaJohn 'Juicy' Harris, DT, USC (229th)

my ideal draft would be: Jarvis Jones, Nate Potter, Harrison Smith, Mike Martin, Greg Childs and Juicy Harris

[CJSchneider]

Don't forget, we will get another 6th rounder from Washington and another 4th rounder (presumably) from Miami.

[Who Dat Nation]

no, i actually dislike more that we picked him and not where we picked him. If he was anything but an UDFA i think he'd be a ******** pickup given the saints system and ive been on record here saying exactly that.

he is not leading all rookies in yardage, not leading all rookies in ypc, not leading all rookies in tds (although he is leading rookie rbs in rushing tds). he is about dead last in ypc. This doesnt even consider his pathetic contribution to the passing game thusfar.

Yes the kid is a rookie but he is the kind of prospect that was supposed to contribute straight away and thusfar having him on the saints has only hurt the team, not made it better. Im going to be quite blunt and say that just from an own team perspective the saints would be better of just cutting him (not that it will ever happen)


Your comments are as bad as your sig

[diabsoule]

I've been going over some draft prospects that I think would fit the Saints and these are who I'd love to see them target and/or draft:

LB Shea McClellin, Boise State
LB Bobby Wagner, Utah State
LB Audie Cole, N.C. State
LB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
LB James Michael-Johnson, Nevada
LB Danny Trevathan, Kentucky
DT Billy Winn, Boise State
DE Cam Johnson, Virginia
DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette

[Want My $2]

Heavy on the linebacker. I would love to see that addressed. Wonder how the defense is going to look with Spags in town now.

[wicket]

Your comments are as bad as your sig

hurrah, lets applaud a pick that has already proved to be a sucky one

[wicket]

I've been going over some draft prospects that I think would fit the Saints and these are who I'd love to see them target and/or draft:

LB Shea McClellin, Boise State
LB Bobby Wagner, Utah State
LB Audie Cole, N.C. State
LB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
LB James Michael-Johnson, Nevada
LB Danny Trevathan, Kentucky
DT Billy Winn, Boise State
DE Cam Johnson, Virginia
DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette

i like all these guys outside of travis lewis, who hits a bit to close to shanle for my liking

[CJSchneider]

I've been going over some draft prospects that I think would fit the Saints and these are who I'd love to see them target and/or draft:

LB Shea McClellin, Boise State
LB Bobby Wagner, Utah State
LB Audie Cole, N.C. State
LB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
LB James Michael-Johnson, Nevada
LB Danny Trevathan, Kentucky
DT Billy Winn, Boise State
DE Cam Johnson, Virginia
DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette

I really like this guy.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

With the NFL Draft a mere three months or so away, I am looking over players that I would want the Saints to look into drafting. Sadly, with the trade with the Patriots last season, we don't have a first round selection and will have to wait for the second round before the Saints make their first selection in the draft.

It also just came out from the Dolphins front office that we will be swapping sixth round selections as the final piece of the Reggie Bush trade. I thought we were supposed to be receiving a fourth rounder or something, but I must have been mistaken.

With that being said, who would you like the Saints to target with their selections this year?

[diabsoule]

So far in the forum mock, this is who I've drafted for the Saints

2. Billy Winn, DT, Boise St
3. Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
4. Ladarius Green, TE, UL-Lafayette
5a. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise St
5b. Dwight Bentley, CB, UL-Lafayette
6. Terrell Manning, LB, North Carolina St.

[diabsoule]

According to Scott and Shane the Saints talked to ULL TE Ladarius Green today
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Observations/Wednesday.php

[wicket]

So far in the forum mock, this is who I've drafted for the Saints

2. Billy Winn, DT, Boise St
3. Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
4. Ladarius Green, TE, UL-Lafayette
5a. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise St
5b. Dwight Bentley, CB, UL-Lafayette
6. Terrell Manning, LB, North Carolina St.

i know Lewis in the third is great value but I really dislike him (relative to his ranking) as a prospect, more than perhaps any other position relevant prospect. Might want to throw a wideout in there just cuz we are bound to lose either colston or maech, or both

[diabsoule]

i know Lewis in the third is great value but I really dislike him (relative to his ranking) as a prospect, more than perhaps any other position relevant prospect. Might want to throw a wideout in there just cuz we are bound to lose either colston or maech, or both

I plan on drafting two wideouts in the 7th

[zachsaints52]

I kinda am afraid to put the player that I love in the draft, but basing on my last two:
Sean Weatherspoon
Julio Jones

I am afraid I cant take another heartache.

[wicket]

I kinda am afraid to put the player that I love in the draft, but basing on my last two:
Sean Weatherspoon
Julio Jones

I am afraid I cant take another heartache.

do tell!!!!

[zachsaints52]

Bruce Irvin

[wicket]

Bruce Irvin

honestly would be suprised if we took him, has no real position in spagz D. Like him as a player as well but imo he is exclusively 34 material

[zachsaints52]

honestly would be suprised if we took him, has no real position in spagz D. Like him as a player as well but imo he is exclusively 34 material

Pass rush end, kinda like before Tuck moved inside. He has a big frame and could add some weight. He'd be better then Shanle for sure though.

[zachsaints52]

Welp we got another Rams defensive assistant.

Do you guys think the Rams defense was decent enough to pick all these coaches from there?

[diabsoule]

I wouldn't mind bringing over Chris Chamberlain, their OLB, in FA.

[wicket]

Welp we got another Rams defensive assistant.

Do you guys think the Rams defense was decent enough to pick all these coaches from there?

yes and no, they werent great but they improved a bunch in the last 2 years imo. Also, this injury, injuries killed them

[zachsaints52]

I wish we didn't take Ingram :/

[CJSchneider]

I think we've had this discussion before.

[wicket]

I think we've had this discussion before.

dont be a hater, i just felt like that

[diabsoule]

I can understand drafting Ingram at the time since the Saints hadn't signed Sproles (IIRC) but if they had ANY indication that Sproles would be coming to NOLA then they shouldn't have trading up for Ingram. The move then didn't make sense considering our running game was fine and it makes even less sense now.

[CJSchneider]

No, we hadn't signed Sproles when we drafted Ingram.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I can understand drafting Ingram at the time since the Saints hadn't signed Sproles (IIRC) but if they had ANY indication that Sproles would be coming to NOLA then they shouldn't have trading up for Ingram. The move then didn't make sense considering our running game was fine and it makes even less sense now.

If you recall, right after we drafted Mark Ingram is when Reggie Bush tweeted "It's been fun New Orleans." So, no, we did not yet have Darren Sproles in the fold. Also, if I remember correctly, there was uncertainty that Pierre Thomas and/or Chris Ivory would be back in Black and Gold in 2011.

That said, as much as it looks like a foolish move by our front office, there was no guarantee that we wouldn't have the depth that we had this past season. If you don't believe me, look back to the season after our Super Bowl. In the NFC Wild Card round game against the Seahawks, we were down to a fifth-string running back after everyone else got injured.

That's probably the biggest reason we lost that game, not the Marshawn Lynch run that everyone else in the league says was the best run since Riggins' 70-chip fourth down run in the Super Bowl. Yes, it was a good run, and yes, there were a lot of missed tackles, but if we would have actually had a decent running back (if I remember, we were using Julius Jones or Ladell Betts...yuck) we probably would have won that game.

Yes, it sucks that we have no first round selection (at this point) but the fact remains that at least Ingram does provide depth, if nothing else.

[zachsaints52]

I thought PT 23 was signed to the 4 year deal when we drafted him though?

[wicket]

If you recall, right after we drafted Mark Ingram is when Reggie Bush tweeted "It's been fun New Orleans." So, no, we did not yet have Darren Sproles in the fold. Also, if I remember correctly, there was uncertainty that Pierre Thomas and/or Chris Ivory would be back in Black and Gold in 2011.

That said, as much as it looks like a foolish move by our front office, there was no guarantee that we wouldn't have the depth that we had this past season. If you don't believe me, look back to the season after our Super Bowl. In the NFC Wild Card round game against the Seahawks, we were down to a fifth-string running back after everyone else got injured.

That's probably the biggest reason we lost that game, not the Marshawn Lynch run that everyone else in the league says was the best run since Riggins' 70-chip fourth down run in the Super Bowl. Yes, it was a good run, and yes, there were a lot of missed tackles, but if we would have actually had a decent running back (if I remember, we were using Julius Jones or Ladell Betts...yuck) we probably would have won that game.

Yes, it sucks that we have no first round selection (at this point) but the fact remains that at least Ingram does provide depth, if nothing else.

There was no doubt PT and Ivory would be back. The problem I had (and i said so at the time) with drafting ingram was that it was a kneejerk reaction to having a rush off injuries on the same position. In that light it didnt even help, if you have that many injuries on the same spot you will be screwed regardless so using that situation as a reason to draft ingram is flawed, we'd still have 4 good bodies with hamilton.

but then again i dont think there was anyone at the time who hated trading for ingram more than I did

[Saints Dome Patrol]

There was no doubt PT and Ivory would be back. The problem I had (and i said so at the time) with drafting ingram was that it was a kneejerk reaction to having a rush off injuries on the same position. In that light it didnt even help, if you have that many injuries on the same spot you will be screwed regardless so using that situation as a reason to draft ingram is flawed, we'd still have 4 good bodies with hamilton.

but then again i dont think there was anyone at the time who hated trading for ingram more than I did

wicket, let's call a spade a spade. Mark Ingram was the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, a premier running back at a premier football factory school (Alabama) and (even though I hate saying this) played for a great coach who has an NFL-like team.

After a little research, I did discover, yes, I was wrong, Pierre Thomas did, in fact, sign an extension in March of 2011. But, both Chris Ivory and Lydell Hamilton were still recovering from injury during the lockout before the NFL season started this past fall. You said that the drafting of Ingram is a knee-jerk reaction to the rash of injuries we had at that position. Well, is it not logical to draft a player that you think could conceivably come in and become an integral piece of the puzzle to get your team back to the Super Bowl.

I think that we all agree that Ivory was a huge surprise in 2010. The fact that he was the leading rusher; however, did not bode well with me. The whole "running back by committee" that we used in 2010 was a nightmare. If I remember, besides Thomas, there was Reggie Bush, Ivory, Hamilton, Ladell Betts, Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn. Didn't we end up with four running backs on the injured reserve list by the end of the season? I know there was another player, P.J. Hill, in there somewhere, but I don't know if he actually played or was on the practice squad.

The fact is this, in my own opinion, yes, we have no first-round selection at this point. Yes, that was because of the Mark Ingram trade.

However, look back at how many people thought that the Deuce McAllister selection was a horrible pick since we already had Ricky Williams in the fold. I think we all know how that turned out.

[wicket]

wicket, let's call a spade a spade. Mark Ingram was the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner, a premier running back at a premier football factory school (Alabama) and (even though I hate saying this) played for a great coach who has an NFL-like team.

After a little research, I did discover, yes, I was wrong, Pierre Thomas did, in fact, sign an extension in March of 2011. But, both Chris Ivory and Lydell Hamilton were still recovering from injury during the lockout before the NFL season started this past fall. You said that the drafting of Ingram is a knee-jerk reaction to the rash of injuries we had at that position. Well, is it not logical to draft a player that you think could conceivably come in and become an integral piece of the puzzle to get your team back to the Super Bowl.

I think that we all agree that Ivory was a huge surprise in 2010. The fact that he was the leading rusher; however, did not bode well with me. The whole "running back by committee" that we used in 2010 was a nightmare. If I remember, besides Thomas, there was Reggie Bush, Ivory, Hamilton, Ladell Betts, Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn. Didn't we end up with four running backs on the injured reserve list by the end of the season? I know there was another player, P.J. Hill, in there somewhere, but I don't know if he actually played or was on the practice squad.

The fact is this, in my own opinion, yes, we have no first-round selection at this point. Yes, that was because of the Mark Ingram trade.

However, look back at how many people thought that the Deuce McAllister selection was a horrible pick since we already had Ricky Williams in the fold. I think we all know how that turned out.

I just bolded the parts that i wanted to respond to

If the staff truely believed ingram could be an integral part of a superbowl run that would surely be an explanation for the pick but given the saints system, the way ingram runs the ball and the rbc approach of payton I just cannot see how ingram can even have more than a marginal contribution to a title run. (yet again you can look back in this thread this is what ive always said). I was actually a pretty big fan of ingram as a prospect but he more than most running backs needs the right system, with enough carries and the right type of plays called for him to be great. The system Payton runs is a polar opposite of that.

The RBC in 2010 can be called a nightmare but what approach isnt a nightmare when you have the top5 guys at a position injured? That has nothing to do with the RBC approach and all with bad luck. Also, drafting Ingram has done nothing to alter the RBC approach, it just changed the fourth back in the list from hamilton to ingram.

At the time we drafted him i was of the opinion that Id rather have hamilton than ingram (due to hamilton being more violent, which has value in closing down games in garbage time). Ive grown beyond that and am now neutral with having ingram on the roster but there isnt a player on the saints roster that i think fits the teams scheme worse than ingram.

On the flipside, i dont do this as a profession and the Saints FO does so they obviously see more than I do with this sort of thing. There is just no way I can look at that pick looking back and can validate it. When i judge a draftpick I would do it on a few merits, mainly value, fit and need and in my opinion the ingram pick ticked none of those boxes. But then again, my opinioin is just my opinion and holds no real value whatsoever

[zachsaints52]

I just don't see why we gave up that for a RB who won't get 17 carries a game.

People bring up the SB year, but we didn't have one guy who averaged more then 13 carries a game that year. Thats what made our offense awesome, was we had three backs who could do different things to keep a team on its toes. And when you worry about the RB's, oh wait we still had Brees.

loomis is now dead to me

agreed, we wasted 2 premium picks on 1 player that we dont need and doesnt fit in our offense. Im friggin angry about this

Me and Wicket was against the pick from the start. I still find it stupid to be honest.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I just bolded the parts that i wanted to respond to

If the staff truely believed ingram could be an integral part of a superbowl run that would surely be an explanation for the pick but given the saints system, the way ingram runs the ball and the rbc approach of payton I just cannot see how ingram can even have more than a marginal contribution to a title run. (yet again you can look back in this thread this is what ive always said). I was actually a pretty big fan of ingram as a prospect but he more than most running backs needs the right system, with enough carries and the right type of plays called for him to be great. The system Payton runs is a polar opposite of that.

The RBC in 2010 can be called a nightmare but what approach isnt a nightmare when you have the top5 guys at a position injured? That has nothing to do with the RBC approach and all with bad luck. Also, drafting Ingram has done nothing to alter the RBC approach, it just changed the fourth back in the list from hamilton to ingram.

At the time we drafted him i was of the opinion that Id rather have hamilton than ingram (due to hamilton being more violent, which has value in closing down games in garbage time). Ive grown beyond that and am now neutral with having ingram on the roster but there isnt a player on the saints roster that i think fits the teams scheme worse than ingram.

On the flipside, i dont do this as a profession and the Saints FO does so they obviously see more than I do with this sort of thing. There is just no way I can look at that pick looking back and can validate it. When i judge a draftpick I would do it on a few merits, mainly value, fit and need and in my opinion the ingram pick ticked none of those boxes. But then again, my opinioin is just my opinion and holds no real value whatsoever

wicket, first let me commend you for your bluntness and honesty. Some posters (not from this forum) might not have taken the high road and just called me some four-letter words and that would have been the end of it. You; however, have given us more insight on your dislike of the Saints' trade in last year's draft and I appreciate it.

That said, I realize that we are on opposite sides of the coin on this issue. Sure, as a draftnik (just like everyone here), I dislike the fact that the Saints do not have a first round selection due to the Ingram deal. The fact we did so well without Ingram for the last few games of the season also weighs heavily in your argument's corner.

I suppose the thing that sticks with me the most is the fact that Ingram, in my opinion, could, could have the potential to become the feature back in New Orleans' offense, if given the opportunity. I truly believe that. I know this could be considered blasphemy, but I feel Ingram is a more balanced back than Chris Ivory and is more polished than Pierre Thomas. Of course, he is nothing like the "Swiss Army Knife" of our offense, Darren Sproles, but then, no one (not even Reggie Bush) is.

I agree with you, though, neither you nor I are in the Saints' front office (even if we have done our fair share of mock drafts and played Madden dynasties for years) and do not have the professional background they have. Although, there have always been some head scratchers in terms of questionable picks the Saints have made in the past, I have faith that this one will turn out for the best in the long run. And if I'm wrong, well, what can I say, it wouldn't be the first time that I've been wrong and it sure as hell won't be the last.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Okay, let's all huddle up here.

*calls in diabsoule, CJSchneider, wicket, Auron, zachsaints52, Flyboy, Sveen and all other Saints fans*

I know that several of us are not in agreement in the Saints decision in the 2011 NFL Draft to trade our first rounder this year in order to move up and select Mark Ingram.

Whether you agree, disagree or are neutral is neither here nor there. The question I have for you is this, who do you want the Saints to select with our first selection in this year's draft? Who do you think the Saints should target? Who would you select if you were Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton and the whole krewe down there in New Orleans?

[wicket]

its a tough one, if by some miracle zach brown would be available hed be my pick but id be fine with guys like wagner, david and burfict with the first pick. I dont think all of em would be available though, maybe one or two

[wicket]

Me and Wicket was against the pick from the start. I still find it stupid to be honest.

that brings me back man, wouldve loved to be able to give you rep but i have to spread it around apparently, i almost feel the anger coming back again ;)

I disliked other picks before but I never had a draftday quite like last year, I was absolutly estatic about getting Cameron Jordan and then that pick happened, it was like 4am local time and I was shouting and cursing at my computer (where i was watching the draft on a stream). Wilson and Patrick are going to be nice players for us though

[zachsaints52]

wicket, first let me commend you for your bluntness and honesty. Some posters (not from this forum) might not have taken the high road and just called me some four-letter words and that would have been the end of it. You; however, have given us more insight on your dislike of the Saints' trade in last year's draft and I appreciate it.

That said, I realize that we are on opposite sides of the coin on this issue. Sure, as a draftnik (just like everyone here), I dislike the fact that the Saints do not have a first round selection due to the Ingram deal. The fact we did so well without Ingram for the last few games of the season also weighs heavily in your argument's corner.

I suppose the thing that sticks with me the most is the fact that Ingram, in my opinion, could, could have the potential to become the feature back in New Orleans' offense, if given the opportunity. I truly believe that. I know this could be considered blasphemy, but I feel Ingram is a more balanced back than Chris Ivory and is more polished than Pierre Thomas. Of course, he is nothing like the "Swiss Army Knife" of our offense, Darren Sproles, but then, no one (not even Reggie Bush) is.

I agree with you, though, neither you nor I are in the Saints' front office (even if we have done our fair share of mock drafts and played Madden dynasties for years) and do not have the professional background they have. Although, there have always been some head scratchers in terms of questionable picks the Saints have made in the past, I have faith that this one will turn out for the best in the long run. And if I'm wrong, well, what can I say, it wouldn't be the first time that I've been wrong and it sure as hell won't be the last.

Its not that we dont have a first I care about, its what we spent for that 1st.

As long as Payton/Brees are here, there will not be a feature back so it was kinda pointless for our team to draft one.

Okay, let's all huddle up here.

*calls in diabsoule, CJSchneider, wicket, Auron, zachsaints52, Flyboy, Sveen and all other Saints fans*

I know that several of us are not in agreement in the Saints decision in the 2011 NFL Draft to trade our first rounder this year in order to move up and select Mark Ingram.

Whether you agree, disagree or are neutral is neither here nor there. The question I have for you is this, who do you want the Saints to select with our first selection in this year's draft? Who do you think the Saints should target? Who would you select if you were Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton and the whole krewe down there in New Orleans?

Bruce Irvin. We need pass rush and he is best that could be available to us.

its a tough one, if by some miracle zach brown would be available hed be my pick but id be fine with guys like wagner, david and burfict with the first pick. I dont think all of em would be available though, maybe one or two

Zach Brown would be nice.

[CJSchneider]

I think if we keep hoping they draft a LB, eventually they will listen to us and do it. However, there is a great deal to play out in FA before I make any "written in stone" predictions. I would like to see us look at Kendell Reyes or Bobby Wagner.

[zachsaints52]

If they listen, theyll just point out they drafted Tez and Nate last year. We need to realize we will always go BPA.

[wicket]

If they listen, theyll just point out they drafted Tez and Nate last year. We need to realize we will always go BPA.

they almost go away from needs just to prove they will go "bpa"

honestly I dont think there is such a thing as picking BPA as there are needs and fits and such to consider and everyone saying they would truely pick bpa are kidding themselves

[zachsaints52]

they almost go away from needs just to prove they will go "bpa"

honestly I dont think there is such a thing as picking BPA as there are needs and fits and such to consider and everyone saying they would truely pick bpa are kidding themselves

We used to not know about fits Cough JasonDavid cough.

I really like Irvin though. I feel he could provide pass rush early, and can develop into a 3 down LB in the future.

[zachsaints52]

Cough Bruce Irvin Cough.

:)

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Well, I suppose we can throw in the towel for this year's draft... looks like we're going to lose the majority of our early round selections. (shakes head)

[Sveen]

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that the 2012 NFL Draft has gone down the toilet already. That said I hope we find out the punishment sooner rather then later so that the front office can know what they are working with entering the draft and more importantly free agency.

[villagewarrior]

Its a boring draft waiting until round 3, but are Saints fans anticipating the draft? What are some of the team's needs?

[Sveen]

I can't wait for the Draft! Even though we aren't selecting until late in the third round I still love the Draft :)

I think we will continue to go for the best player available which most of the time means that we take the guy that should have been taken earlier (e.g. Martez Wilson, Jimmy Graham, Charles Brown, Carl Nicks). Hopefully we can find a guy or two that will contribute in 2012, but selecting so late I wouldn't expect any starters for this upcoming season. I think it will be mostly positioning ourselves for 2013 and beyond.

[wicket]

Its a boring draft waiting until round 3, but are Saints fans anticipating the draft? What are some of the team's needs?

our front 7 was in dire straits before FA but the FO is fixing that with smart contracts, basically the saints could use a linebacker above all but also DTs, a CB and a speed receiver

[Sveen]

The compensatory picks will be announced soon. Let's cross our fingers and hope for some more picks. We sure need it

Update: Sadly, no compensatory picks for us.

[CJSchneider]

No, but we will be due some next year for sure.

[diabsoule]

I'm doing a mock draft on twitter with fellow draftniks and through six rounds this is what the Saints draft is looking like:

3. TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette
4. WR T.Y. Hilton, Florida International
5. OT James Brown, Troy
6. DT Jaye Howard, Florida

I'm loving it, if I do say so myself

[Bert Macklin]

I'm doing a mock draft on twitter with fellow draftniks and through six rounds this is what the Saints draft is looking like:

3. TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette
4. WR T.Y. Hilton, Florida International
5. OT James Brown, Troy
6. DT Jaye Howard, Florida

I'm loving it, if I do say so myself

Could be another Colston

[diabsoule]

Could be another Colston

I've been thinking the exact same thing

[CJSchneider]

I'm doing a mock draft on twitter with fellow draftniks and through six rounds this is what the Saints draft is looking like:

3. TE Ladarius Green, UL-Lafayette
4. WR T.Y. Hilton, Florida International
5. OT James Brown, Troy
6. DT Jaye Howard, Florida

I'm loving it, if I do say so myself

Hilton is flat out fast. I coach with the father of one of his teammates, CB, Sam Miller.

[Sveen]

I would love it if we could get Ladarius Green. Pairing him with Jimmy Graham would be amazing!

[diabsoule]

I just finished the draft. Here's the final result

3. TE Ladarius Green
4. WR T.Y. Hilton
5. OT James Brown
6. DT Jaye Howard
7. DE Frank Alexander

Overall, I think that's a pretty impressive haul and I'd be happy in the pants if that's how the Saints draft went in April

[wicket]

I just finished the draft. Here's the final result

3. TE Ladarius Green
4. WR T.Y. Hilton
5. OT James Brown
6. DT Jaye Howard
7. DE Frank Alexander

Overall, I think that's a pretty impressive haul and I'd be happy in the pants if that's how the Saints draft went in April

personally not the biggest fan of TY hilton for the saints offense but overall a good job

[Auron]

I agree. This Draft is going to be all about Value at each Pick, because our Draft has been butchered down (missing our 1st, and 2nd rounder this year) it's going to be all about the bang for the buck we can get at each pick.

[diabsoule]

I tried going BPA with each pick, most just happened to be on offense.

[Flyboy]

Looks like a good haul, diab. If somehow Alshon Jeffrey is there for us at our pick, I think we should really jump on that. I'd like Green too, though.

[diabsoule]

Just finished another mock draft where I was the Saints. All of these involve a ton of draft niks from twitter. Here's what the Saints draft looked like:

3. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
4. Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
5. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
6. Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
7. Robert Golden, CB, Arizona

This draft was really difficult as most of my targets were sniped one to two picks ahead of where I was drafting.

[CJSchneider]

Just finished another mock draft where I was the Saints. All of these involve a ton of draft niks from twitter. Here's what the Saints draft looked like:

3. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
4. Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
5. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
6. Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
7. Robert Golden, CB, Arizona

This draft was really difficult as most of my targets were sniped one to two picks ahead of where I was drafting.

Out of all five picks, I like round 4 and 5 the most.

[Sveen]

I second what CJSchneider said. Round 4 and 5 would be an A+ for sure. Don't like Orson Charles that much, and don't know much about Robert Golden, but I could absolutely see the Saints as the team that takes a chance on Russel Wilson.

Overall good job diabsoule. Could absolutely end up being pretty close to what heppens,

[Flyboy]

After seeing him on film, I'd like to have Orson Charles. I wouldn't be upset with that at all.

And, unless we trade up to the first round (nearly impossible and won't happen)... we'll be waiting until tomorrow, gents. Although I could see us trading up into the 2nd round if a talent is there that we covet.

[CJSchneider]

Well Goodell threw us a bone in not handing out suspensions until after the draft. This way if we do attempt to trade someone, they won't have a suspension or set number of games hanging around their neck.

[Bert Macklin]

Orson Charles would be like our David Thomas. I don't mind it.

[diabsoule]

Out of the TE's in this draft that the Saints have a shot at drafting, I'd love to see either Charles or Ladarius Green, who is one of my man crushes this year.

[Sveen]

Love how Tampa traded out of reach of the blue chippers. Mark Barron is a great player, but I'd rather see him instead of Claiborne.

[Sveen]

Not so happy about the Panthers selection. Kuechly could be one heck of a player. And with that the NFC South is done for the day :-P

[Sveen]

Great draft, but can't wait for tomorrow!

[Sveen]

Well the Bucs weren't done. Doug Martin coming to the NFC South.

[Bert Macklin]

LaDarius Green tomorrow!

[Sveen]

Our pick is coming soon. Mike Martin was frequently mocked to us, but just went to the Titans. T.Y. Hilton, Orson Charles, James Brown, Jared Crick, Brandon Thompson, Sean Spence, Dwight Bentley and George Iloka all available.

[CJSchneider]

With the 89th overall selection, the New Orleans Saints select: Akeim Hicks, DT, Regina.

[Sveen]

I took note of him at the East West Shrine Game and love the player, but this was a slight reach I think.

[CJSchneider]

Is this guy gonna be Al Woods v2.0?

[Flyboy]

Is this guy gonna be Al Woods v2.0?

I'm hoping for a young Shaun Rogers..seems like a better prospect than Woods. He'll be a project for sure but the rewards could be HUGE.

[wicket]

I took note of him at the East West Shrine Game and love the player, but this was a slight reach I think.

this was going to be my exact post

[Sveen]

The start of the 4th round is under two hours away. It will be really exciting to see who we pick up today. Hopefully we find some guys that can help not only in the future, but this year as well. Maybe the next Carl Nicks, Marques Colston or Jermon Bushrod? We can at least hope :)

[Sveen]

There goes Ladarius Green. Really though we'd end up with him. We're up in 12 picks!

[CJSchneider]

With the 122nd overall selection, the New Orleans Saints select: Nick Toon, WR, Wisconson.


I LOVE IT!!!

[Sveen]

I wanted defense, but will be fun to see what he can do for us.

[Auron]

I can dig the Nick Toon pick. Watching some of his Highlights a lot of the routes he runs are very similar to what we do in our system, so he should fit right in.

Seems like he has really strong, reliable hands, and the way he uses his body positioning reminds me of Colston. (the way he goes up in traffic and just snatches the ball out of the air)

I think we got him as insurance for if Lance Moore goes down with injury again... we can have another slot type guy to go over the middle. Hopefully Joe Morgan pans out as our deep threat guy, because I think Devery is reaching the end of his effective years.

[Sveen]

Our pick in the 5th round is coming up, and a lot of good players still on the board. TE DeAngelo Peterson, T James Brown, T Tom Compton, T Nate Potter, G Brandon Washington, DE Cam Johnson, DT Billy Winn, CB Alfonso Dennard, CB Leonard Johnson and S George Iloka. Who do you guys want?

[CJSchneider]

With pick 162, The New Orleans Saints select Corey White, SS, Samford.

I agree with the position in Corey White, time will tell on the player.

[Sveen]

I know nothing about him, but we've had success with small school guys in the past.

[CJSchneider]

Our pick in the 5th round is coming up, and a lot of good players still on the board. TE DeAngelo Peterson, T James Brown, T Tom Compton, T Nate Potter, G Brandon Washington, DE Cam Johnson, DT Billy Winn, CB Alfonso Dennard, CB Leonard Johnson and S George Iloka. Who do you guys want?

If we get any of these guys with our 6th, I would love it.

[Sveen]

Agreed. Any of those would be a steal. My top 2 would be Johnson and Potter.

[Sveen]

We shall see pretty soon. All the guys still on the board.

[CJSchneider]

With pick 179, the New Orleans Saints select: Andrew Tiller, G, Syracuse.

[Sveen]

Anyone know anything about him?

[CJSchneider]

Only what i posted above. I would have been happier with Winston Guy.

[Sveen]

I like that we picked up a guard, but it obviously remains to be seen if he sticks on the roster. Hopefully some of the guys we mentioned earlier are still on the board in the 7th.

[Bert Macklin]

I think white will be a CB for us.

[Sveen]

Here hoping for Cam Johnson in round 7.

[Sveen]

Marcel Jones, T, Nebraska it is. The next Carl Nicks? We can only hope :-)

[diabsoule]

Anyone else not happy with the way the draft turned out?

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Anyone else not happy with the way the draft turned out?

I'm not too sold on the Saints' draft either. But given the fact we didn't pick until the third round doesn't help.

According to ESPN's NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas, he had some good things to say about the Saints' selections of Samford safety Corey White and Syracuse OG Andrew Tiller.

With White, Yasinskas says not only does New Orleans have history of success with small school prospects, the safety also has good cover skills, which plays into new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo's system.

In regards to Tiller, Yasinskas said the guard's college coach was Doug Marrone, who was formerly the Saints' offensive coordinator. According to the blog entry, this should be an advantage for both the team and the player himself.

I do agree, I wasn't blown away with the Saints' draft. We'll also have to see what other players the Saints get as undrafted free agents as well. But of course, time will tell. All of you guys know that you can't determine the success of a draft overnight. But it is fun to second-guess.

[diabsoule]

Here's my do-over Saints draft based off of players that were available when the Saints were on the clock:

Round 3 - LaDarius Green, TE, UL-L
Round 4 - Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
Round 5 - Marvin Jones, WR, Cal
Round 6 - Brandon Washington, OG/OT, Miami
Round 7 - Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

[Bert Macklin]

Anyone else not happy with the way the draft turned out?

Well our history is usually eh in the first rounds and knock it out in the middle to late rounds. Hicks is boom or bust but Toon is a GREAT pick and White will be a 4th CB for us.

[wicket]

Anyone else not happy with the way the draft turned out?

i think most picks felt a bit reachlike to be quite honest. also kinda suprised that no cornerbacks where picked (i think our samford guy will be jenkins backup if he works out)

[wicket]

Here's my do-over Saints draft based off of players that were available when the Saints were on the clock:

Round 3 - LaDarius Green, TE, UL-L
Round 4 - Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
Round 5 - Marvin Jones, WR, Cal
Round 6 - Brandon Washington, OG/OT, Miami
Round 7 - Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

mine (somehwat similar probably)

Round 3 - LaDarius Green, TE, UL-L
Round 4 - Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
Round 5 - Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Round 6 - Billy Winn, DT, Boise State
Round 7 - Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona

realistically id probably pick crick in the fourth or brandon thompson in the third given that i dont have the hindsight of winn in the sixth

[diabsoule]

i think most picks felt a bit reachlike to be quite honest. also kinda suprised that no cornerbacks where picked (i think our samford guy will be jenkins backup if he works out)

I felt the same way. The only pick that had great value was Toon, which is incidentally, the only pick that I'm not upset about. Well, the Marcel Jones pick is hard to get upset about since he went in the 7th about where he was projected.

[Bert Macklin]

I'm pissed no Jordan Jefferson! Sean could have made him a HoF'er.

[diabsoule]

I'm really surprised the Saints didn't try to bring in DeAngelo Peterson as a UDFA.

I think the team might have grown infatuated with small school guys given the success of Colston and Evans.

[CJSchneider]

I think the team might have grown infatuated with small school guys given the success of Colston and Evans.

I don't have a problem with that as long as it doesn't serve as a detriment to selecting big school names who are available and possibly more talented.

[Auron]

Well most people are ranking our Draft class as the worst of the bunch this year, which is somewhat understandable as our Draft was pretty much completely gutted from the start and our first pick ended up being in latter part of the 3rd round.

Most of the needs Loomis tried to address in FA which is always his plan, most of the Draft picks are going to have to scrap, and claw their way onto the roster. We ended up with competition for the 4th WR spot, some O-line depth which was much needed after losing Nicks, and having Strief injured for parts of last year, and a project DE.. to which if he pans out great if not we have other guys we're grooming. (Galette, Romeous, Jordan)

[Who Dat Nation]

OFFICIAL list of UDFA's signed by the Saints (18 total)

Kadarron Anderson LB Furman
Malcolm Beyah WR Middle Tenn State
Braylon Broughton DE TCU
Jacob Byrne TE Wisconsin
Travaris Cadet RB Appalachian State
Adrian Davis DB Jacksonville State
Brian Folkerts C Washburn
Chris Givens WR Miami (OH)
Jose Gumbs S Monmouth
Kevin Hardy WR Citadel
Dan Hoch OT Missouri
Stephen Johnson LB Temple
Jerico Nelson S Arkansas
Laron Scott RS Georgia Southern
Aderious Simmons OT Arizona State
Aaron Tevis LB Boise State
Johnny Thomas S Oklahoma State
Tyrunn Walker DE/DT Tulsa

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/04/new_orleans_saints_official_un.html

[CJSchneider]

I see nothing but camp bodies.

[wicket]

I see nothing but camp bodies.

scott or cadet (who will be a wideout id think, not a rb) should have a shot. Besides, none of us saw guys like ivory or asa coming

[diabsoule]

I can see maybe about 3 really vying for a roster spot. The rest are camp bodies. The Saints missed out on all the games I wanted as UDFA's :(

[Flyboy]

People questioning our UDFAs? Have we not learned anything by now?

[CJSchneider]

I'm not debating the fact that we know how to pick 'em, but tell me honestly that all those guys have not been "pleasant surprises".