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Geo
08-24-2008, 02:28 AM
NFL Truths are so last year. Please read and share your own thoughts.

2008 BRASS DEEP BALLS

Houshmandseeya
Bengals’ veteran wide receiver TJ Houshmandzadeh, a crafty route-runner who can line up anywhere, lives in the Los Angeles area during the offseason. His contract runs through 2008, and he’ll take this opportunity to finally cash in big for the first time in his career and sign elsewhere. Will Houshmandzadeh be signed by the close-to-home Oakland Raiders, for Al Davis to give his young quarterback and the receiving core a veteran to lean on and learn from? No, Davis will instead sign Michael Jenkins (Atlanta Falcons) and Michael Clayton (Tampa Bay Bucs). Meanwhile back in Cincy, the Chad Johnson situation is over. He was drafted by the team, developed and excelled with the team, and will remain with them for some time. With TJ gone, he’s now the man in Cincy again and the Bengals will develop a young receiving core behind him. And after two injury-plagued seasons in ‘06 and ‘07, young players had the chance to develop such that this season we could see the best Bengals’ offensive line since ‘05.

Head East, young man
The Cowboys’ offensive line has managed to avoid injury the last two years, but that luck will run out this season. However they will still make the playoffs along with two other NFC East teams like last year, except this season the Eagles will get in instead of the Redskins. The Eagles should be back in the playoffs, Jim Johnson is doing as good a job as he’s ever done and now he has more playmaking talent to work with to hopefully generate more turnovers. Donovan McNabb needs to stop flapping his gums and just get it job done, he has the offensive line and the weapons to do the job else next year starts the Kevin Kolb era. However do not overlook the Redskins offense that new head Jim Zorn is building, it’s going to something as young receivers Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis develop. Jason Campbell’s best years are ahead of him, as he grows with these big and talented players.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner
So if the big, bad NFC East rules the playoff roost, who are the other NFC teams to make the playoffs? Seattle wins 11 games, New Orleans wins 10, and the post-Favre Packers get into the playoffs with 9 wins. So yes Kool-Aid drinkers, the super sexy Super Bowl pick Minnesota Vikings don’t even make the playoffs - they still can’t pass enough and defend the pass enough to get it done, I‘m afraid. The defense under Leslie Frazier is a year away. But they won’t be the only Vegas hot pick to be at home come January, the New England Patriots will not be in Super Bowl XLIII. Homefield advantage won’t be enough to make up for their roster deficiencies, most notably in the secondary.

Better get the resume ready
Not Bill Belichick of course, but rather turn your attention to the NFC West. Expect some turnover but not in terms of the standings. Despite the Seahawks being so weakened receiving-wise, Arizona won’t dethrone Seattle if Cardinals head coach Ken Wisenhunt doesn’t start the best quarterback on the roster in Kurt Warner. Warner is a turnover machine, but at least he can attack opposing defenses well beyond that. However Coach Wiz isn’t in desperate need of keeping his job like Rams head coach Scott Linehan and 49ers head coach Mike Nolan are, and unfortunately for both, they come up short this season and get the pink slips.

Lamest Show on Turf
I like Nolan, but the team has not drafted well enough under him, and right or wrong he‘ll be the one to pay for results like Vernon Davis never being worth his draft pick. Same deal with Linehan, most if not all of the front office should be fired along with him. They’ve been nothing more than average, especially when it comes to the Draft (Brian Leonard is a bust, scottyboy). This has played a big part in the Greatest Show on Turf being a distant memory. Marc Bulger cashed in for a major payday, and when I see him now I wonder about his heart and his spine - his best years are behind him. Torry Holt is gone after the 2009 season, he‘s not worth extending at 34 years old and with his ever-constant knee issues, plus in his ever-inflated sense of ego has an eye towards leaving already. The brightest spot on the offensive line is Jacob Bell, who the team signed as a free agent this past summer from the Tennessee Titans, as everyone else needs to be upgraded. At least stud runningback Steven Jackson has been re-signed to a top-dollar contract, so that’s good that they’ve locked him up. Still, the Rams regime that hired Linehan deserves to be replaced by others who can hopefully do a better job to get this team back on top. Though Jim Haslett, defensive coordinator of the Rams, is doing the best defensive coaching job that no one unfortunately knows about.

You don’t know Jack? No need to get defensive
Speaking of defensive coordinators, the addition of Gregg Williams of Jacksonville won’t help much - if anything, it could hurt the team. Williams is an idiot who doesn’t make the most of the talent in his employ, and the Jacksonville Jaguars are Jack Del Rio’s team and his alone, defense most assuredly included. Too bad for the team, because the defense is progressively getting worse with each passing year. It didn’t help that money was wasted on Drayton Florence in free agency, as he’s not any good, meanwhile Rashean Mathis is degrading with each passing year the last two years. And up front, the once two-headed monster of the interior is no more with the trade of Marcus Stroud to Buffalo. Linebacker stays strong though, thanks to strong draft picks like promising 2007 2nd round pick Justin Durant, such that the team will let veteran Mike Peterson walk this summer after his contract is fulfilled.

Sticks out like a Vince Young
However as the Jaguars defense gets worse, the offense is getting better. I really like David Garrard, he was paid monster money this summer like the aforementioned Marc Bulger but Garrard’s best years are definitely ahead of him. He can make his reads and deliver the ball anywhere with accuracy and touch, he just needs to stay healthy and make sure he continues to limit his turnovers (more ’07 than ’06). I also really like fellow AFC South quarterback Matt Schaub. I think he has a great arsenal of weapons even if they aren’t well known beyond stud Andre Johnson, but a receiving core of Kevin Walter, Andre Davis, and Owen Daniels brings a lot to the table. Especially for Schaub who can make his reads, has good pocket presence, and quickly release the ball with great accuracy. He just needs the protection up front, and Houston signed offensive line guru Alex Gibbs to set things straight. I loved the Steve Slaton pick in the Draft, he was great value in the third round and fits the zone-blocking run scheme very well: we could be looking at a poor man’s Clinton Portis in Houston if Slaton gets the opportunity and makes the most of it over some veteran backs who can‘t stay healthy.

Better get the resume ready II
The last wild card spot in the AFC will be a battle between the Texans, Bills, and Jets. While the Carolina Panthers may miss the playoffs by a bit and a good many are already expecting John Fox and company in Carolina to get the axe, and personally I would have already fired them some time ago, I think the team does well enough to spare them. Although how tempting will it be with Bill Cowher out there, if he’s ready to coach again? That would be a huge story, to see who would court him. Maybe even Detroit comes into play, because Matt Millen will finally be fired after this season. Oh yes Lions fans, it will finally happen.

Remaining last but not least, the Colts
Three big items for the price of one: (1) Dwight Freeney, after an injury cut his ‘07 season short, in turn delivers a great ‘08 season that not only gets him back to Honolulu but wins him Comeback Player of the Year as well; (2) Head coach Tony Dungy will not retire after this season; (3) Neither will Marvin Harrison, but he won’t be in a Colts uniform come September 2009.

BlindSite
08-24-2008, 02:55 AM
I can't fathom any reasoning why Carolina misses the playoffs at this stage of the game. Its a solid unit in a weak schedule and conference.

On the other stuff:

Houshmanzadeh I agree with, he's going to bail and bail big time. Question is where he ends up, maybe one of the older elite will get cut by their team and he'll get signed. Personally, I'm not ruling out a big fat franchise tag so they can gather trade offers come draft time.

I like Jacksonville but they traded some firepower away this year and didn't exactly get a guy who's been lighting it up thus far in his rookie career in the draft.

I think that the 49ers can be competitive if O'Sullivan (who I personally don't think is the right choice) can pull a Kurt Warner and be the nobody who becomes the somebody. Really, all he needs to become imo is the manager that a lot of coaches crave. He's got a couple of decent inside targets and Gore and co should be a good enough run game to keep them competitive.

I think that the 49ers have gone the wrong way about building that team and they could've been far more successful if they built through the offensive line and the defense before taking a QB and a TE.

If they had another first round talent excelling at one of the tackle spots and on the interior of the defensive line they'd be worlds better than they have been even with VD and Smith.

Caddy
08-24-2008, 03:16 AM
I can't fathom any reasoning why Carolina misses the playoffs at this stage of the game. Its a solid unit in a weak schedule and conference.

On the other stuff:

Houshmanzadeh I agree with, he's going to bail and bail big time. Question is where he ends up, maybe one of the older elite will get cut by their team and he'll get signed. Personally, I'm not ruling out a big fat franchise tag so they can gather trade offers come draft time.

I like Jacksonville but they traded some firepower away this year and didn't exactly get a guy who's been lighting it up thus far in his rookie career in the draft.

I think that the 49ers can be competitive if O'Sullivan (who I personally don't think is the right choice) can pull a Kurt Warner and be the nobody who becomes the somebody. Really, all he needs to become imo is the manager that a lot of coaches crave. He's got a couple of decent inside targets and Gore and co should be a good enough run game to keep them competitive.

I think that the 49ers have gone the wrong way about building that team and they could've been far more successful if they built through the offensive line and the defense before taking a QB and a TE.

If they had another first round talent excelling at one of the tackle spots and on the interior of the defensive line they'd be worlds better than they have been even with VD and Smith.

I don't think there is a shortage of people on NFLDC who think the Panthers won't make the playoffs. The majority actually has the Saints and the Buccaneers ahead of the Panthers.

Geo
08-24-2008, 03:24 AM
I can see both the Bucs and Panthers missing the playoffs by not much, I don't think any team in the division will win it going away.

BlindSite
08-24-2008, 03:50 AM
I don't think there is a shortage of people on NFLDC who think the Panthers won't make the playoffs. The majority actually has the Saints and the Buccaneers ahead of the Panthers.

I can't fathom it, it doesn't mean others cannot, no where did I imply that either.

I can see both the Bucs and Panthers missing the playoffs by not much, I don't think any team in the division will win it going away.

I still don't see the saints as a better unit than the Buccs.

The Unseen
08-24-2008, 06:48 AM
meanwhile Rashean Mathis is degrading with each passing year the last two years.

Two years ago he was All-Pro, and last year he had a lingering injury that, well, hurt him. He's not regressing.


And up front, the once two-headed monster of the interior is no more with the trade of Marcus Stroud to Buffalo.


Marcus Stroud will not be a big loss. He has played injury hampered the past two or three years, not close to his 2003-2004 Pro-Bowl form (he made the Pro Bowl in 2005, but Jaguars fans will tell you that Henderson was better that year).

fenikz
08-24-2008, 07:00 AM
I don't know why people think Whiz is attached to Leinart, he isn't his QB, he was not HC when he was drafted, if Matt starts to turn the ball over as much as Warner then im sure he will just go with the better player, but as of right now Matt is a better fit for what he is trying to do with keeping the offense on the field, establishing the run and not putting the D in bad positions like much of last year.

Gay Ork Wang
08-24-2008, 08:40 AM
idk why Whisenhunt is trying to get a power running game with that WR Corps

scottyboy
08-24-2008, 09:42 AM
the panthers suck, they're not making the playoffs

and Geo, come on , how the hell do you call Leonard a bust after rhis rookie year? He's a FB and is the lead blocker. He blocked VERY well last year and is an EXCELLENT weapon out of the backfield

Race for the Heisman
08-24-2008, 10:19 AM
idk why Whisenhunt is trying to get a power running game with that WR Corps

I think it's an identity/philosophy thing. Being from Pittsburgh and all. Plus there's the matter of pass-first vs run-first teams and their relative successes in the history of the NFL.

Damix
08-24-2008, 11:09 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Cardinals will name Kurt Warner their starting quarterback to open the season.


Got your wish eh?

Geo
08-24-2008, 11:15 AM
I don't know why people think Whiz is attached to Leinart, he isn't his QB, he was not HC when he was drafted, if Matt starts to turn the ball over as much as Warner then im sure he will just go with the better player, but as of right now Matt is a better fit for what he is trying to do with keeping the offense on the field, establishing the run and not putting the D in bad positions like much of last year.
He's not married to Leinart, but I think he owes it to the franchise to really see if Leinart can be the guy. And maybe Leinart can be the guy, but right now, I'm not liking a lot of what I'm seeing (coming into his third year). Most especially the speed with which he makes his reads and delivers the ball, I wish he would get it out quicker.

I can see Stevie Breaston continuing to be his fave receiver though, because he'll be there for him over the middle and that might be his easiest read to make. Of course, that means minimal gain compared to studs Boldin and Fitzgerald.

the panthers suck, they're not making the playoffs

and Geo, come on , how the hell do you call Leonard a bust after rhis rookie year? He's a FB and is the lead blocker. He blocked VERY well last year and is an EXCELLENT weapon out of the backfield
If Delhomme goes down, then they will lose a number of more games than win. They need him to stay healthy, and it absolutely doesn't help that the first two weeks of the season, Delhomme needs Muhammed, Hackett, and Jarrett to get separation against the Chargers and the Bears. He could be holding the ball too long every time he drops back, and with a rookie tackle in Otah to boot.

Leonard isn't a bum, he'll be a servicable special teamer and maybe a back too, but he is not worth a 2nd round pick. Doesn't have the speed to be a successful runner or receiver, and his blocking probably isn't better than average at best although you probably did pay more specific attention to him than I did. I do expect him to get better as he focuses on fullback only, especially in his run-blocking, because he's a pro. But you don't draft a fullback in the 2nd round.

Geo
08-24-2008, 11:18 AM
Got your wish eh?
Hah, I suppose so. Leinart holds the ball too long for my liking, Warner gets rid of it, is more accurate, and gives Boldin and Fitz better opportunity to shine. I hope Leinart improves for the better though, I don't hate the guy or anything like some people.

skinzzfan25
08-24-2008, 11:21 AM
So Geo, does this mean you don't think Cowher will end up on the Skins next year?

:P

Geo
08-24-2008, 11:24 AM
I've never really hated Dan Snyder, he's done what he thinks will help his franchise and he aggressively wants to get to the top.

But if Snyder gives Zorn the axe after this season, I'll hate him. Stick with Zorn, he'll make Jason Campbell into a stud.

Cowher would have been a fit before, but they've got talent at receiver now and it's only good business to make the most out of what you have. Hopefully Snyder sees that, look at how much better the 'skins have been in the Draft the last few years. Admittedly, because their trades for Lance Briggs and Chad Johnson have thankfully been turned down, lol.

scottyboy
08-24-2008, 11:27 AM
Geo, I'm surprised. Leonard's speed is MUCH better than advertised. Coming out of the backfield he's an excellent recieving weapon. He'd be an excellent 3rd down and goal line back as well(although SJax is a tough and big mofo). His hands are superb. He won't have huge runs and doesn't have that "game breaker" speed like other talents ala LDT, run DMC, MJD etc. He's not just a FB for them as his versatility helps any offense. Easily worth a 2nd rounder IMO, and that's homerism aside.

but you're right, I did focus in on him all last year! :D

Geo
08-24-2008, 11:33 AM
Sorry but I just don't see the quickness whenever he gets the ball, I think the Rams have it right by making Antonio Pittman their back-up to Steven Jackson.

Ray Rice on the other hand will be worth a 2nd round pick, though. He'll be the starter in Baltimore come September 2009.

scottyboy
08-24-2008, 11:35 AM
Sorry but I just don't see the quickness whenever he gets the ball, I think the Rams have it right by making Antonio Pittman their back-up to Steven Jackson.

Ray Rice on the other hand will be worth a 2nd round pick, though. He'll be the starter in Baltimore come September 2009.

yea, he's not very elusive or quick, but has good enough speed to catch it in the flat and tur up field to outrun LB'ers(not all, some are freaks, but still)

and yes, I even think Ray Ray takes over before '09. he's a studmuffin

Malaka
08-24-2008, 11:39 AM
I don't think Brian Leonard was 2nd round value... but maybe early third round especially since Jacob Hester was drafted in the late third, and IMO
Leonard >> Hester. Leonard will be a very versatile and very good fullback in the league, especially with teams who want to utilize a receiving type fullback, but he will be a good blocker, but probably never will be an excellent blocker.

About Ray Rice, I see as like an Emmitt Smith type running back, but with way more power. I see Ray Ray becoming an excellent back in the NFL.

JT Jag
08-24-2008, 11:43 AM
I have several bones to pick with your analysis of the Jaguars, one being that Marcus Stroud has done nothing for us but get injured and/or suspended for the last two years. Tony McDaniel, meanwhile, has ALL the physical tools and has had an outstanding preseason. He'll make us forget about Marcus.

INT dealt with your analysis of Rashean. When he's healthy, he's a top-5 corner in the NFL. He's healthy now.

Geo
08-24-2008, 11:47 AM
All I know is that I'm seeing average guys beating Mathis out there these days, it's a far cry from 2006. The defense is coming down from it's once elite status from a few years ago, but the offense is much better from those days and will continue to improve. Jones-Drew is great of course, but I am a believer in David Garrard.

If the Jags are lucky, they will get huge contribution from their two rookie pass-rushers in Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves. Of course that would mean signing Harvey first.

Dam8610
08-24-2008, 03:01 PM
And here I thought the Marvin thing was going to be him winning Comeback Player of the Year. I doubt if Marvin is playing in 2009, that he'll have anything but a horseshoe on his helmet. Regardless of who you have in the wings, it's not easy to replace Marvin Harrison if he's still producing like Marvin Harrison.

Geo
08-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Harrison will be 37 years old in August of 2009, and has a base '09 salary of 9M. Unless he and his agent get smart and restructure, he's not worth it. I'd rather spend that money on re-signing young playmakers.

fenikz
08-24-2008, 03:39 PM
idk why Whisenhunt is trying to get a power running game with that WR Corps

it's very simple

5-11
5-11
6-10

Dam8610
08-24-2008, 03:41 PM
Harrison will be 37 years old in August of 2009, and has a base '09 salary of 9M. Unless he and his agent get smart and restructure, he's not worth it. I'd rather spend that money on re-signing young playmakers.

Marvin has restructured before, I see no reason why he wouldn't again if the team approaches him.

Geo
08-24-2008, 03:47 PM
Well, if the restructing in question is converting salary to allocated bonus money, then no thanks. The team would still be on the hook for his money, but would be paying it out over more than one year.

Again, Harrison isn't worth it imo. He has always been the weak link in the playoffs and there's younger talent now. I bet if you add up the numbers, Gonzalez, Hall, and Garcon make less than 3M combined. The Colts locked up Dallas Clark for a reason, at around 5.5-6M per. Those four combined could make up Harrison's salary in '09, and it only gets higher in '10 and '11.

Hopefully the Colts can trade Harrison for something, if not then cut him outright and maybe he signs back at one-third of the cost of his current backloaded contract.

SchizophrenicBatman
08-24-2008, 03:48 PM
Here's a brass balls prediction taken off one of yours. After Houshmanzadeh bails on Cincy, he doesn't do much the rest of his career. Too many people like to say he's the better of the duo with him and 85, when in reality, he's in trouble without Chad taking most of the gameplan away from him

Geo
08-24-2008, 03:52 PM
I'm not sure about that. Even if Housh declines, he'd still be a great option from the slot. He can line up at all three spots right now.

Now if he goes to a crummy situation and never puts up the same numbers again, that could happen.

Hmm, who might go after Housh next summer?

SchizophrenicBatman
08-24-2008, 03:55 PM
He's a solid option sure but I don't see him as a top tier #1 on his own. His game makes him one of the best #2 options in the league and is in a near perfect scenario for it. I'm not saying he'd be Edge out of Indy bad, just not someone who makes a lot of noise or impact

Bengalsrocket
08-24-2008, 04:00 PM
As a Bengals fan I agree Housh' production would decline after leaving Cincy. He's arguably one of the best #2s (Argued against Boldin / Welker / Wayne), but Chad takes so much heat off of Housh that it makes his game look a lot better than it is. Unless he goes to a place that has a solid #1 and a QB as good as or better than Palmer then I doubt his production goes up. And honestly, I don't see any teams with that scenario in mind paying out the ass for a #2.

Either way, Housh is like a folk hero in cincy and I'd hate it if we got rid of him, but its been looming over my head all off-season since we haven't decided to give him a new contract and we drafted 3 WR's this year.

Geo
08-24-2008, 04:01 PM
If you're going to lose Houshmandzadeh after '08, you've got to start developing receivers now at least. Can't throw rookies in there for Palmer.

Wide receivers and cornerbacks take more time to develop.

CC.SD
08-24-2008, 04:22 PM
If you're going to lose Houshmandzadeh after '08, you've got to start developing receivers now at least. Can't throw rookies in there for Palmer.

Wide receivers and cornerbacks take more time to develop.

That's what their draft strategy seems to reflect, given that they picked up Simpson and Caldwell. and Honestly if they're gonna sign Henry this year and let Housh go, he's probably part of their plan too.

Borat
08-24-2008, 04:26 PM
I'm not sure about that. Even if Housh declines, he'd still be a great option from the slot. He can line up at all three spots right now.

Now if he goes to a crummy situation and never puts up the same numbers again, that could happen.

Hmm, who might go after Housh next summer?

I know where you're going with this ..... and I'm cool with it.

Geo
08-24-2008, 04:30 PM
I'm good, but that is a secret motive to even me. :D

Honestly, I was just asking out loud where he might go. Where do you think, Borat?

San Fran? I say no. They have Jason Hill and John Morgan, plus veteran Isaac Bruce. Shaun McDonald will be a free agent next summer, he could be a cheaper option for Martz, whether Martz is the offensive coordinator or the head coach (yes you read that right).

Dam8610
08-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Well, if the restructing in question is converting salary to allocated bonus money, then no thanks. The team would still be on the hook for his money, but would be paying it out over more than one year.

Again, Harrison isn't worth it imo. He has always been the weak link in the playoffs and there's younger talent now. I bet if you add up the numbers, Gonzalez, Hall, and Garcon make less than 3M combined. The Colts locked up Dallas Clark for a reason, at around 5.5-6M per. Those four combined could make up Harrison's salary in '09, and it only gets higher in '10 and '11.

Hopefully the Colts can trade Harrison for something, if not then cut him outright and maybe he signs back at one-third of the cost of his current backloaded contract.

So if Marvin goes out and produces like Marvin (we'll say 80-1400-12), you don't want him back for 09, even if he restructures?

CC.SD
08-24-2008, 04:52 PM
Marvin to Dallas FTW!

Geo
08-24-2008, 05:09 PM
So if Marvin goes out and produces like Marvin (we'll say 80-1400-12), you don't want him back for 09, even if he restructures?
I'm not expecting 1400 and 12, nor the 700 and 6 I'm seeing some places. More like 1000 and 8 imo.

But if he does produce 1400/12, then maybe they keep him for one more year. Or his trade value would be improved, which is good.

Borat
08-24-2008, 05:24 PM
I'm good, but that is a secret motive to even me. :D

Honestly, I was just asking out loud where he might go. Where do you think, Borat?

San Fran? I say no. They have Jason Hill and John Morgan, plus veteran Isaac Bruce. Shaun McDonald will be a free agent next summer, he could be a cheaper option for Martz, whether Martz is the offensive coordinator or the head coach (yes you read that right).

Yes, I was thinking SF. I mean, who wants to go to the urinal that is Oakland when SF is so much nicer?

For 2009, they got Bryant Johnson, Arnaz Battle and hopefully JOSH Morgan is the real deal. There is definitely room for a star like Houshmazilly. I'm not sold on Jason Hill and I doubt Isaac Bruce comes back. McDonald is a possibility though. Hadn't thought of him.

And yes, I unfortunately could see Martz becoming HC.

Menardo75
08-24-2008, 08:09 PM
ewww I hope not

Dam8610
08-24-2008, 08:19 PM
Marvin to Dallas FTW!

Marvin can't play across from anti-Marvin. The universe would explode.

ATLDirtyBirds
08-24-2008, 08:25 PM
I can't fathom any reasoning why Carolina misses the playoffs at this stage of the game. Its a solid unit in a weak schedule and conference.



This... from a Panthers fan? Needless to say I'm shocked and surprised.

Geo
08-24-2008, 08:27 PM
I can't imagine Dallas having the money, but I still won't rule out Jerry Jones making a play for Roy Williams. The good one, the wide receiver.

Or maybe a project like Michael Clayton of the Bucs, who Jones could sign cheap and hope to get more out of with a talented team.

MetSox17
08-24-2008, 08:36 PM
I can't imagine Dallas having the money, but I still won't rule out Jerry Jones making a play for Roy Williams. The good one, the wide receiver.

Or maybe a project like Michael Clayton of the Bucs, who Jones could sign cheap and hope to get more out of with a talented team.

Jerry might go after Roy Williams, but i doubt he'd waste his time or money on Clayton or anyone of his level. We have plenty of guys to develop instead of using a career, average-joe.

bigbluedefense
08-26-2008, 02:37 PM
I think my only argument is Greg Williams. Greg is a stubborn douchebag, but he's a very good DC. He'll never win an award for Person of the Year, but the man knows how to make the most out of his defense.

Look at the Redskins. Outside of Taylor (RIP) and Landry, he had squat on defense. McIntosh was out for basically the entire season. He somehow got that defense to be a top 10 defense in the league. He managed to get an 05 Redskin defense as a top 5 in the league with no pass rusher on the dline. The man knows how to get the most out of what he has. He'll make that Jaguars defense better.


It might take some adjustment for the Jaguars to get what he wants them to do, but towards the latter end of the season, the Jags defense will be better for it. Greg Williams makes that defense better.

Other than that, I can't say i disagree with much.

Great thread.

Matthew Jones
08-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Marvin can't play across from anti-Marvin. The universe would explode.

I agree. Terrell Owens is a wide receiver who actually produced last year and wasn't investigated in a shooting! To see him have to give up receptions to someone else would be ridiculous!

BlindSite
08-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I can't imagine Dallas having the money, but I still won't rule out Jerry Jones making a play for Roy Williams. The good one, the wide receiver.

Or maybe a project like Michael Clayton of the Bucs, who Jones could sign cheap and hope to get more out of with a talented team.

Roy Williams and Housh will probably be heavily courted in Philly. While I think that Curtis is a good option as is DeSean Jackson, neither or them strike me as bonafide number one receivers. With Roy Williams or Housh taking a lot of coverage away the other two could flourish.

Miami is still really lacking in receiver talent.

There's always a market it seems for good receivers.

Geo
08-26-2008, 07:29 PM
I don't think Philly will really court Houshmandzadeh, he'll be 31 this September and they'd rather invest younger.

Like Roy Williams, who will be 27 years old this December. Phenomenal mention, BlindSite. Williams would be great for Philly, he can run routes but also provide a big play ability, and he won't be a negative personality in any way to either Kolb or McNabb.

Iamcanadian
08-26-2008, 09:42 PM
Except, Detroit will franchise Roy Williams. He isn't goinmg anywhere and I doubt Hous is either. I think teams will be disappointed with either of Cincy's WR's unless they have another Palmer to throw to them. Franchise QB's have a way of making WR's look a lot better than they are.

BlindSite
08-26-2008, 10:24 PM
Franchise tag I've always seen as an easy measure to garner trade bait. IMO if you don't want to keep a guy but could use his ability then you franchise them.

Other teams will come knocking to give you a pick, where even a 4th is better than nothing, or rather, better than anything the supplemental will give you and it allows you to get rid of them out of your division.

The other benefit is, if no one wants him, you can draft his replacement and give him a year on the bench to learn behind the guy who's about to leave.

Not many receivers are going to care too much about getting paid money in the top 10 for their position while they increase their price tag playing a lame duck season. Players realise there's not really a guaranteed contract in the NFL anyway.

Iamcanadian
08-26-2008, 10:29 PM
[QUOTE=Geo;1183872]NFL Truths are so last year. Please read and share your own thoughts.

2008 BRASS DEEP BALLS

Houshmandseeya
Bengals’ veteran wide receiver TJ Houshmandzadeh, a crafty route-runner who can line up anywhere, lives in the Los Angeles area during the offseason. His contract runs through 2008, and he’ll take this opportunity to finally cash in big for the first time in his career and sign elsewhere. Will Houshmandzadeh be signed by the close-to-home Oakland Raiders, for Al Davis to give his young quarterback and the receiving core a veteran to lean on and learn from? No, Davis will instead sign Michael Jenkins (Atlanta Falcons) and Michael Clayton (Tampa Bay Bucs). Meanwhile back in Cincy, the Chad Johnson situation is over. He was drafted by the team, developed and excelled with the team, and will remain with them for some time. With TJ gone, he’s now the man in Cincy again and the Bengals will develop a young receiving core behind him. And after two injury-plagued seasons in ‘06 and ‘07, young players had the chance to develop such that this season we could see the best Bengals’ offensive line since ‘05.

---You don't know Al Davis very well. He loves his WR's to have elite speed. He would have absolutely no interest in the slow Michael Crayton and minimal interest in Michael Jenkins. They simply aren't his type of WR.
Unfortunately Cincy's going nowhere fast. Brown got lucky with Palmer but he is a very weak GM who wastes far too many draft picks on flops.

Head East, young man
The Cowboys’ offensive line has managed to avoid injury the last two years, but that luck will run out this season. However they will still make the playoffs along with two other NFC East teams like last year, except this season the Eagles will get in instead of the Redskins. The Eagles should be back in the playoffs, Jim Johnson is doing as good a job as he’s ever done and now he has more play making talent to work with to hopefully generate more turnovers. Donovan McNabb needs to stop flapping his gums and just get it job done, he has the offensive line and the weapons to do the job else next year starts the Kevin Kolb era. However do not overlook the Redskins offense that new head Jim Zorn is building, it’s going to something as young receivers Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis develop. Jason Campbell’s best years are ahead of him, as he grows with these big and talented players.

---I agree the Eagles have a shot at getting in but the big question mark as always is McNabb's health. If he cannot stay healthy all bets are off and I wouldn't count on any Kolb era ever happening. As for Washington, I think they will really miss Gibbs, he kept Snyder away from the team and without him Snyder could return to his interfering way. I think Dallas has enough depth to survive an injury to their OL but I don't think the Giants will survive the injury to Osi. It's tough enough to repeat after winning your 1st SB, NE couldn't do it and I doubt the Giants will either.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner
So if the big, bad NFC East rules the playoff roost, who are the other NFC teams to make the playoffs? Seattle wins 11 games, New Orleans wins 10, and the post-Favre Packers get into the playoffs with 9 wins. So yes Kool-Aid drinkers, the super sexy Super Bowl pick Minnesota Vikings don’t even make the playoffs - they still can’t pass enough and defend the pass enough to get it done, I‘m afraid. The defense under Leslie Frazier is a year away. But they won’t be the only Vegas hot pick to be at home come January, the New England Patriots will not be in Super Bowl XLIII. Homefield advantage won’t be enough to make up for their roster deficiencies, most notably in the secondary.

---There is simply no other team that has the talent to beat out Minny in the NFC North. If Jackson can stay healthy, I expect a very improved player to emerge. IMO, the Packers will be lucky to go 7-9. Their defense is solid but their offense will miss Favre. You don't realize how much he meant to their offense. Without him, their RB and WR's will be exposed as average players unless you think Rodgers will be a franchise QB out of the chute as a 1st time starter.
It's hard to judge NE right now as we don't know how serious Brady's injury is, but if he is healthy, they are still the overwhelming favourite to return to the SB. Peyton's injury appears far more serious and San Diego has lost Merriman, the heart and soul of their defense, so whose left to challenge NE.

Better get the resume ready
Not Bill Belichick of course, but rather turn your attention to the NFC West. Expect some turnover but not in terms of the standings. Despite the Seahawks being so weakened receiving-wise, Arizona won’t dethrone Seattle if Cardinals head coach Ken Wisenhunt doesn’t start the best quarterback on the roster in Kurt Warner. Warner is a turnover machine, but at least he can attack opposing defenses well beyond that. However Coach Wiz isn’t in desperate need of keeping his job like Rams head coach Scott Linehan and 49ers head coach Mike Nolan are, and unfortunately for both, they come up short this season and get the pink slips.

---Hard to argue against the obvious, that Linehan and Nolan are on the hot seat. Pretty well everybody is aware that these 2 guys had better produce or they are gone.

Lamest Show on Turf
I like Nolan, but the team has not drafted well enough under him, and right or wrong he‘ll be the one to pay for results like Vernon Davis never being worth his draft pick. Same deal with Linehan, most if not all of the front office should be fired along with him. They’ve been nothing more than average, especially when it comes to the Draft (Brian Leonard is a bust, scottyboy). This has played a big part in the Greatest Show on Turf being a distant memory. Marc Bulger cashed in for a major payday, and when I see him now I wonder about his heart and his spine - his best years are behind him. Torry Holt is gone after the 2009 season, he‘s not worth extending at 34 years old and with his ever-constant knee issues, plus in his ever-inflated sense of ego has an eye towards leaving already. The brightest spot on the offensive line is Jacob Bell, who the team signed as a free agent this past summer from the Tennessee Titans, as everyone else needs to be upgraded. At least stud runningback Steven Jackson has been re-signed to a top-dollar contract, so that’s good that they’ve locked him up. Still, the Rams regime that hired Linehan deserves to be replaced by others who can hopefully do a better job to get this team back on top. Though Jim Haslett, defensive coordinator of the Rams, is doing the best defensive coaching job that no one unfortunately knows about.

You don’t know Jack? No need to get defensive
Speaking of defensive coordinators, the addition of Gregg Williams of Jacksonville won’t help much - if anything, it could hurt the team. Williams is an idiot who doesn’t make the most of the talent in his employ, and the Jacksonville Jaguars are Jack Del Rio’s team and his alone, defense most assuredly included. Too bad for the team, because the defense is progressively getting worse with each passing year. It didn’t help that money was wasted on Drayton Florence in free agency, as he’s not any good, meanwhile Rashean Mathis is degrading with each passing year the last two years. And up front, the once two-headed monster of the interior is no more with the trade of Marcus Stroud to Buffalo. Linebacker stays strong though, thanks to strong draft picks like promising 2007 2nd round pick Justin Durant, such that the team will let veteran Mike Peterson walk this summer after his contract is fulfilled.

---Well Joe Gibbs appreciated Williams as his DC and I'll take his opinion over yours any day of the year. I think the Jaguars defense will be fine. If I were a Jacksonville fan, I'd be far more worried that Garrard won't come close to matching his last year's performance after DC's spend the summer studying him far more closely. He'll be OK but maybe not special.

Sticks out like a Vince Young
However as the Jaguars defense gets worse, the offense is getting better. I really like David Garrard, he was paid monster money this summer like the aforementioned Marc Bulger but Garrard’s best years are definitely ahead of him. He can make his reads and deliver the ball anywhere with accuracy and touch, he just needs to stay healthy and make sure he continues to limit his turnovers (more ’07 than ’06). I also really like fellow AFC South quarterback Matt Schaub. I think he has a great arsenal of weapons even if they aren’t well known beyond stud Andre Johnson, but a receiving core of Kevin Walter, Andre Davis, and Owen Daniels brings a lot to the table. Especially for Schaub who can make his reads, has good pocket presence, and quickly release the ball with great accuracy. He just needs the protection up front, and Houston signed offensive line guru Alex Gibbs to set things straight. I loved the Steve Slaton pick in the Draft, he was great value in the third round and fits the zone-blocking run scheme very well: we could be looking at a poor man’s Clinton Portis in Houston if Slaton gets the opportunity and makes the most of it over some veteran backs who can‘t stay healthy.

--- I tend to agree with you about Houston. With Peyton's injury the Division could be wide open. I also like Slaton, he has a real shot at OROY.

Better get the resume ready II
The last wild card spot in the AFC will be a battle between the Texans, Bills, and Jets. While the Carolina Panthers may miss the playoffs by a bit and a good many are already expecting John Fox and company in Carolina to get the axe, and personally I would have already fired them some time ago, I think the team does well enough to spare them. Although how tempting will it be with Bill Cowher out there, if he’s ready to coach again? That would be a huge story, to see who would court him. Maybe even Detroit comes into play, because Matt Millen will finally be fired after this season. Oh yes Lions fans, it will finally happen.

---I think you have to include Tampa Bay. I like them better than the Bills or the Jets although the Jets are a tough call. As for Carolina, they go as far as the reconstructed Delhomme can carry them. You cannot write them off just yet. As for Matt Millen, I don't think you understand how incompetent Ford is as an owner. Millen may well be around for 2 or 3 more years before Ford ever fires him.

Remaining last but not least, the Colts
Three big items for the price of one: (1) Dwight Freeney, after an injury cut his ‘07 season short, in turn delivers a great ‘08 season that not only gets him back to Honolulu but wins him Comeback Player of the Year as well; (2) Head coach Tony Dungy will not retire after this season; (3) Neither will Marvin Harrison, but he won’t be in a Colts uniform come September 2009.

---Unfortunately for the Colts, Peyton suffered the exact same injury that destroyed Harrison's season last year. If it has the same effect on Manning, it could be a very long season for Indy.

BlindSite
08-26-2008, 10:35 PM
I'm a little curious as to when the Colts will draft Manning's successor.

He'll be 33 next year, pretty healthy guy. Another 2 / 3 seasons or so before they pick someone (including 08)?

Geo
08-26-2008, 10:43 PM
I'd love to get Alex Smith from San Fran. He's not a lost cause imo.

PalmerToCJ
08-26-2008, 10:52 PM
I'm curious to see where TJ ends up. If he finds the right situation and they know how to use him he'll be fine I think.

I'm hoping Simpson/Henry will be enough. Henry, when not an idiot is very solid for us. Simpson seems to be learning but he's got a long way to go.

Borat
08-26-2008, 11:17 PM
I'd love to get Alex Smith from San Fran. He's not a lost cause imo.

I think so too. I hate him, but mostly I look inward at management and wonder if Mike Nolan has screwed his head up.

The right coach/management can probably fix it. Indy would be great for him.

BlindSite
08-27-2008, 12:36 AM
2-3 years with under the best in the business with a great supporting cast and coaching staff is perfect for him.

diabsoule
08-27-2008, 01:01 AM
If he's cut or released, which I doubt will happen, he'd come cheap. He might come cheap anyway since he lost his starting job to someone who never was more than a 3rd stringer for most teams.

I could definitely see Indianapolis making a play for him. He'd still be young in 2-3 years (26-27) and by learning that time under Manning, Dungy, and Jim Caldwell would do wonders to increase his confidence.

Geo
08-27-2008, 01:09 AM
Except, Detroit will franchise Roy Williams. He isn't goinmg anywhere and I doubt Hous is either. I think teams will be disappointed with either of Cincy's WR's unless they have another Palmer to throw to them. Franchise QB's have a way of making WR's look a lot better than they are.
Re: Williams, that's definitely true. The Lions absolutely could franchise Roy Williams, to either trade him or hang onto him for at least one more year, and the latter would definitely help Drew Stanton if he's the starter. In fact, the Lions could very well sign Williams long-term, that I can recall they really don't have anyone else on the team to extend for the current time - Ernie Sims should be signed through 2010 if not 2011. The big hold-up is spending that much money on receivers in and of itself, but in terms of making the roster better, they could probably do much worse in free agency versus re-signing Roy Williams.

Of course if Millen does finally get the boot like I think, the new management coming in will be a critical factor, depending on how they want to build the roster from that point and the thought process they have in doing that.

As for Housh, I just don't think Cincy will match what another team will offer once TJ hits the open market. The draft picks at receiver were pretty much the writing on the wall that they are moving ahead with younger talent, and even though I been saying tor two years now that I think TJ is the better receiver of the Bengals' duo, I would definitely let him walk and gladly build behind Chad Johnson as my #1 guy.

BlindSite
08-27-2008, 01:13 AM
I think it depends who comes on the market and how their QB situation goes. If stanton is a goer then they might let him walk and let it be the CJ show. If they've still got a lame duck QB they'll need the elite receiver pair to do damage.

Addict
08-27-2008, 02:29 AM
Re: Williams, that's definitely true. The Lions absolutely could franchise Roy Williams, to either trade him or hang onto him for at least one more year, and the latter would definitely help Drew Stanton if he's the starter. In fact, the Lions could very well sign Williams long-term, that I can recall they really don't have anyone else on the team to extend for the current time - Ernie Sims should be signed through 2010 if not 2011. The big hold-up is spending that much money on receivers in and of itself, but in terms of making the roster better, they could probably do much worse in free agency versus re-signing Roy Williams.

Of course if Millen does finally get the boot like I think, the new management coming in will be a critical factor, depending on how they want to build the roster from that point and the thought process they have in doing that.


there were some reports last year after the whole "I want out"-ordeal that Williams wanted to remain in Detroit.

Also, I can't imagine any GM (Millen or new, probably the competence level won't be much higher considering it's the Fords calling the shots) not wanting a receiver of Roy's caliber.

Iamcanadian
08-27-2008, 05:34 AM
I'm a little curious as to when the Colts will draft Manning's successor.

He'll be 33 next year, pretty healthy guy. Another 2 / 3 seasons or so before they pick someone (including 08)?

I understand that Peyton had the same surgery that Harrison had last year and Harrison said it really bothered him for the whole season, so we'll have to see how Manning heals. Will he be his old self or a much slower version of the old Peyton. I really hope he is OK because he's fun to watch.
Even Tom Brady may have a tough year. Can they give him time to heal properly or will they risk his career by rushing him back into play. It will be a boring season if both of these guys are sidelined or rather ineffective. San Diego has lost Merriman so I'm not expecting a whole lot from them either and the Giants have lost Osi. We could possibly see a complete turnover in the top teams and it could be a wide open race with this many stars hurting.

nobodyinparticular
08-27-2008, 05:49 AM
I understand that Peyton had the same surgery that Harrison had last year and Harrison said it really bothered him for the whole season, so we'll have to see how Manning heals. Will he be his old self or a much slower version of the old Peyton. I really hope he is OK because he's fun to watch.
Even Tom Brady may have a tough year. Can they give him time to heal properly or will they risk his career by rushing him back into play. It will be a boring season if both of these guys are sidelined or rather ineffective. San Diego has lost Merriman so I'm not expecting a whole lot from them either and the Giants have lost Osi. We could possibly see a complete turnover in the top teams and it could be a wide open race with this many stars hurting.

Not to mention the injuries to Hardwick, Gates, Rivers and LT. And the suspended Cooper.

In all reality though, I expect the Chargers to be back to nearly full strength (minus Merriman of course) be Week 3 or so. I can't see them getting any less than 10 wins, likely a couple more on top of that.

Iamcanadian
08-27-2008, 06:46 AM
Not to mention the injuries to Hardwick, Gates, Rivers and LT. And the suspended Cooper.

In all reality though, I expect the Chargers to be back to nearly full strength (minus Merriman of course) be Week 3 or so. I can't see them getting any less than 10 wins, likely a couple more on top of that.

I think your underestimating the loss of Merriman, probably the top pass rusher in the league bar none. I'm also not sold on Turner as a solid HC and with Merriman injured it is going to be on his shoulders to keep the ship afloat.
I think 10 wins is the absolute best you can expect and even that is suspect IMO.

Iamcanadian
08-27-2008, 06:50 AM
there were some reports last year after the whole "I want out"-ordeal that Williams wanted to remain in Detroit.

Also, I can't imagine any GM (Millen or new, probably the competence level won't be much higher considering it's the Fords calling the shots) not wanting a receiver of Roy's caliber.

We are in complete agreement. I'm not even sure that Ford won't keep Millen another 2 or 3 years even if we fail to win 6 games. Ford is that incompetent and I agree that Ford's new hire probably will be another inept GM.

Geo
08-28-2008, 04:48 PM
The Cowboys’ offensive line has managed to avoid injury the last two years, but that luck will run out this season.
http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=nfl-news-display&nid=A253608811219629512A

BlindSite
08-28-2008, 06:09 PM
I don't remember a season where I've watched a game without the commentators mentioning at least one of the linemen being out for either team, its pretty common.

Geo
09-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Maybe even Detroit comes into play, because Matt Millen will finally be fired after this season. Oh yes Lions fans, it will finally happen.
Well, the Lions didn't wait until after the season. :D