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art vandelay
02-25-2007, 07:40 PM
Hey guys, this is Rob. Essentially, this is a pile of all the useless threads we have accumulated!

art vandelay
02-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Post all mock drafts in here so it doesn't get congested.

Rob S
02-26-2007, 12:40 PM
Patrick Willis ran a good 40 today, maybe he gets his stock up into the teens and becomes a major consideration at 12 (I have always considered him, but most experts had him in the late 20's)

Iamcanadian
02-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Patrick Willis ran a good 40 today, maybe he gets his stock up into the teens and becomes a major consideration at 12 (I have always considered him, but most experts had him in the late 20's)

His main problem is his weakness in pass coverage which is so important in today's game. It's probably the main reason he isn't cracking the top 15-20 range. If your the GM, you have to decide if this guy is intellegent enough to learn or is he always going to be a 2 down LB. The interview will decide his fate up or down. He's got the physical tools.

The Dynasty
02-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Im just wondering with McGahee being on the trading block, wondering if you guys try and get Lynch?

DWhitner20
02-26-2007, 03:37 PM
If we trade McGahee, I'd really love to get Lynch. I think it's a possibility.

DWhitner20
02-26-2007, 04:05 PM
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4633

SuperMcGee
02-26-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm glad we got this done. I'd like to know how much it was for, but I'm glad nonetheless. Hargrove should follow, and I like where we stand at DE

KJ4140
02-26-2007, 04:33 PM
Patrick Willis did run a good 40, but he only benched 22 times. Thats a little lower than expected. I don't know if he's helped or hurt his stock at all, but I'm still for taking him at #12.

DWhitner20
02-26-2007, 04:41 PM
Mayock called Jon Beason a top 15 pick and has him as his top rated LB, very interesting to me.

Rob S
02-26-2007, 05:06 PM
really good move. I like Kelsay a lot, and him and Hargrove form a very good tandem with Schobel.

glazeduck
02-26-2007, 06:38 PM
My ideal scenarios (i have two that i love about equally) would be trading Willis for a 2nd and 5th round pick...

Scenario A involves us trading our 1st pick, the 2nd we acquired from Willis, our 3rd rd. pick this year and next years 3rd (more than equal trade according to the value chart) to Tampa for the 4th overall pick to take Calvin Johnson, w/out question the best talent in this draft.

Scenario A.
1 cj - no brainer
2 Chris Houston or Daymeion Hughes - starting cb
4 Lorenzo Booker - dynamic runner/pass catcher in space, use him like saints used Bush
5 Le'Ron McClain - starting fb, great blocker, good athlete
6 Isaiah Stanback - athlete will find a spot somewhere
7 Ameer Ismail - small school OLB prospect w/ great #s, project w/ spot time

Scenario A would need to involve resigning Gandy and also signing another FA guard, keeping TKO, and signing a rb that can carry most of the load.

Scenario B involves trading Willis for a 2nd and 5th. Then trading our own 1st down into the high 20's for another 2nd rounder, giving us 3 2nds.

1 (20ish) Dwayne Jarrett - will be a great compliment to Lee at #2 wr
2a Chris Houston / Daymeion Hughes - starting cb
2b best available LB (Willis/Timmons/Beason)
2c best available OL (G or T) - Grubbs, Blalock, Beekman, Staley, Sears, etc...
3 Mike Bush - once healthy, the guy to take most of the carries
4 Lorenzo Booker - read above
5 Le'Ron McClain - starting fb
6 Joe Newton - red zone/1st down weapon, he'll be good
7 ATH - Samarzidja, Stanback, Newton, etc.

Space Ghost
02-26-2007, 07:28 PM
yipee! I wonder how long multi is...

DWhitner20
02-26-2007, 07:44 PM
I just read that it's 4 years, 5.75 mil each year with 13.5 guarenteed.

Space Ghost
02-26-2007, 07:48 PM
I just read that it's 4 years, 5.75 mil each year with 13.5 guarenteed.

Not so yipee... that's too much, can't really expect less with all this cap space though...

Space Ghost
02-26-2007, 07:57 PM
Ideal draft.

1. Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
2. Daymeion Hughes CB California
3. Dwayne Wright RB Fresno State
4. Steve Smith WR USC
6. Rory Johnson LB Mississippi
7. Gabe Hall OL Texas Tech

Space Ghost
02-26-2007, 07:59 PM
Well, it seems as though my favourite mid round 3-5 receiver has shot up quite a bit after his 40 time much like Art's Jason Hill. Aundrae Allison will sadly have zero chance at lasting to us in the fourth now and will probably be off the board in the second round along with Hill and we will see Anthony Gonzalez and Craig Davis drop behind them.

Iamcanadian
02-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Well, it seems as though my favourite mid round 3-5 receiver has shot up quite a bit after his 40 time much like Art's Jason Hill. Aundrae Allison will sadly have zero chance at lasting to us in the fourth now and will probably be off the board in the second round along with Hill and we will see Anthony Gonzalez and Craig Davis drop behind them.

Allison was expected to run a fast 40 so it won't effect his draft status. The real reason Allison isn't getting more love from scouts and GM's is his inability to break the press at the line of scrimmage. He has a hard time against physical CB's getting off the line of scrimmage. Being a pro WR takes a lot more than just speed.

Rob S
02-26-2007, 10:39 PM
Not so yipee... that's too much, can't really expect less with all this cap space though...


that is a lot, but DE are going for such high money it is to be expected.

art vandelay
02-27-2007, 06:42 PM
I don't really like this move. We have Hargrove waiting in the wings and Denney is becoming a solid DE. Also, a DE could fall to us in the draft at #12 or we could draft one later in the draft so I don't think this was a good move.

art vandelay
02-27-2007, 06:48 PM
Ideal 1st Day Draft...more to come later.

1. Leon Hall CB Michigan / Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2. Ben Grubbs OG Auburn / Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
3. Ahmad Bradshaw RB Marshall / Manuel Ramirez OG Texas Tech

DWhitner20
02-28-2007, 01:31 PM
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4635

fischbowl
02-28-2007, 02:41 PM
Hargrove is no big surprise however Anderson should be gone.

fischbowl
02-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Fisch's Quick Mock

*Trade Willis for a 2nd
**Trade Ryan Denney for a 5th

Situation 1: Nate Clements is miraculously retained!

1) Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
2a) Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
2b) Brandon Siler, MLB, Florida
3) Chris Henry, RB, Arizona
4) Daniel Bazuin, DE, Central Michigan
5) Quincy Black, LB, New Mexico
6) Bo Smith, CB, Weber State
7) Lyle Sendlein, C, Texas

Situation 2: No Nate :(

1) Darelle Revis, CB, Pitt
2a) Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn
2b) Brandon Siler, MLB, Florida
3) Chris Henry, RB, Arizona
4) Daniel Bazuin, DE, Central Michigan
5) Michael Allan, TE, Whitworth
6) Stephon Heyer, OT, Maryland
7) Legedu Naanee, WR, Boise State

SuperMcGee
02-28-2007, 03:57 PM
I remember hearing about Anderson yesterday but my post was deleted. Either way, I don't like it.
Hargrove is good to have though.

fischbowl
02-28-2007, 04:12 PM
Y'all believe Weddle can play corner now?

I'd like to see him as an option.

SuperMcGee
02-28-2007, 04:35 PM
Y'all believe Weddle can play corner now?

I'd like to see him as an option.

That's been a thought of mine for a while. I've liked his chances at corner and he was one of my more favored options if we go for a CB.

Rob S
02-28-2007, 04:35 PM
Same opinion here, like Hargrove, think Anderson is a waste of roster space.

essential
02-28-2007, 05:42 PM
i like hargrove, i would have rather let him start at LE with denney and save the money we spent on kelsay.

anderson could still be cut before camp with no penalties or cap hits, maybe they are just hoping someone else trys to sign him so they get a pick? he was obviously on his way out toward the end of the season.

drmoyer421
02-28-2007, 05:49 PM
I heard an interview on Sirius radio with Antonio Pittman. He basically said that he was a Bills fan growing up and tries to imitate his game like Thurman Thomas.

I know there are backs that maybe better than Pittman out there in the draft, but finally a kid that is OPPOSITE than McGAhee, one that would LOVE to play for Buffalo.

Just think Thomas was a second rounder, Pittman could be too

art vandelay
03-01-2007, 06:43 AM
Well I hope we plan on upgrading Anderson and I really don't like Shaud at all. I don't think that we will re-sign A-Train now because we are going to draft a RB on the first day I think. Who knows though with the Kelsay re-signing.

DWhitner20
03-01-2007, 12:30 PM
http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/news/04D19451B757400085B7E643A7AC2EC4.jpg
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4638

Good news imo, I've liked this kid from the point he made the team as an undrafted rookie fa.

SuperMcGee
03-01-2007, 12:54 PM
He's alright. I still remember we put him on Chambers in the fins comeback game last year and he just got destroyed on a jump ball to win the game. I don't care much for Kiwaukee, but we're in talks with him currently as well.

bills_red
03-01-2007, 02:47 PM
http://fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=312007fcx2877cy


Bills release S Bowen and OL Villarrial
Written by: - ffLiveWire - 3/1/2007
Source:
Bills released veteran offensive lineman Chris Villarrial and safety Matt Bowen Thursday.

bills_red
03-01-2007, 02:48 PM
I have no prob with the cuts. Bowen never saw much playing time I think and Villarrial is just getting old and had knee problems.

fischbowl
03-01-2007, 02:55 PM
This isnt really a surprise at all and Im in favor of both these cuts.

fischbowl
03-01-2007, 02:58 PM
Great Signing.

Hes excellent corner depth and one of the Bills community leaders.

Space Ghost
03-01-2007, 05:02 PM
I never liked Bowen at all and Villarrial was completely expected.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 05:42 AM
Bills | Whittle will visit team Friday
Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:43:52 -0800

Judd Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports free agent OG Jason Whittle (Vikings) will visit the Buffalo Bills Friday, March 2.



Discuss.

bills_red
03-02-2007, 07:32 AM
http://billsdaily.com/news/index.shtml#030207
Report Says Bills Hit Market Early: A report from NFL Network's Adam Schefter says the Bills have hit the market quickly this year and have signed veteran offensive tackle Jason Whittle. He's a seven year veteran who has started 42 games in his career including 16 starts with the Giants in 2004. He also played for the Bucaneers in 2003 and the Vikings last year.



Never heard of him before, so don't know what to think.

bills_red
03-02-2007, 07:35 AM
Found here
http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=60363

From ESPN.com:

Whittle understand the mantra that the more you can do the longer you will be around. Whittle has learned to continue his career as a professional football player and plays multiple positions as well as contribute in a variety of ways on special teams. Whittle is able to play all five positions on the offensive line and is an intelligent player that uses angles to his advantage against defenders. He works hard to use great technique using hand placement and leverage to wall off opponents, but he lacks the power to move defenders and expand the hole. This lack of lower-leg strength is also evident when Whittle faces two-gap defensive linemen that are able to stalemate him at the point of attack and shed him to make plays. Whittle does a nice job in space engulfing linebackers at the second level when pulling. When asked to start at guard this season for Minnesota the Vikings actually fared better up front with Whittle in the game. In pass protection, Whittle does a very good job working his hips and feet together with average punch but good hand placement re-directing the pass rusher. Along with decent size Whittle brings versatility, football smarts and deceptive athleticism for an offensive lineman that will allow this veteran to continue to make a roster, get on the field and contribute

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 11:16 AM
Good Depth signing.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 11:16 AM
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4643

Leon Sandcastle
03-02-2007, 11:52 AM
Primarily for depth I hope. That leaves us with Preston, Whittle, Merz, Reyes and Butler that can play the G position.

We still need more quality out of that position.

Leon Sandcastle
03-02-2007, 11:55 AM
I think our T position is pretty good as of now. Jason Peters is an up and coming talent and the backbone of our line. Terrence Pennington played very well for a 7th Rd. draft pick last year and the staff is pretty high on Brad Butler. Adding Walker would give us quality depth.

Peters-?-Fowler-?-Butler
Pennington-Reyes-Preston-Whittle-Walker
Merz

I'd be pretty elated if we answered our starting G positons through the draft or RFA. Ben Grubbs or Aaron Sears in Round 2? Jakes Scott or Ryan Lilja in RFA?

slightlyaraiderfan
03-02-2007, 11:56 AM
What's with the Bills interest in our players? First it was Sands, and now Walker.

Leon Sandcastle
03-02-2007, 12:02 PM
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4645

Seems like the offensive line is a big priority for Marv Levy and the boys.

Leon Sandcastle
03-02-2007, 12:05 PM
*Trade McGahee for a mid 2nd rounder*

1st-Alan Branch-DT Michigan
2nd-Aaron Sears-RG Tennessee
2nd-Jason Hill-WR Washington St.
3rd-Brandon Jackson-RB Nebraska
4th-Tim Shaw-OLB Penn St.
6th-Jeff Rowe-QB Nevada
7th-T.J. Downing-RG Ohio St.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 12:21 PM
Dockery, this is a guy I want bad I really hope we get a deal done with him today.

DBeebe82
03-02-2007, 12:22 PM
The possibility of having Peters and Dockery on the left side is making me drool.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 12:23 PM
The possibility of having Peters and Dockery on the left side is making me drool.

I'm drooling thinking about it too.

FloridaFootball
03-02-2007, 12:33 PM
Big Dock is actually a really good guard. I would hate to lose him.

Space Ghost
03-02-2007, 12:48 PM
I remember him from playing Madden, I think he is rated 78 or something and is on the Bucs in 2005... That is the only place I have seen his name. Hopefully a low salary.

DHVF
03-02-2007, 12:50 PM
Whittle is a good depth guy that can fill in here and there, but really no more.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Interesting post from someone on the Official Bills Message Board:

Sirius Satalite Radio reported on there 2 mintute drill that Dockery will most likely be making his only visit to a nfl team this offseason when he plans to sign with Buffalo later tonight.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-02-2007, 03:57 PM
Dock is good but is the most penalized lineman in the league and can't pull for his life.

Rob S
03-02-2007, 03:57 PM
good depth, which we do need. As long as he isnt making starting money, I like it.

Rob S
03-02-2007, 04:00 PM
Dock is good but is the most penalized lineman in the league and can't pull for his life.

He is much better than anything we have so I would be happy.

HoopsDemon12
03-02-2007, 04:39 PM
If mcGahee does get dealt i would love to get a guy like lynch i mean no bad fellings to the other guys but their not top backs. Although i think Willis is a realistic option at #12 i dont htink his pass coverage is as weak as some people seem to say it is. Of course i have only watched like 8 of games so i havnt seen him that much

Rob S
03-02-2007, 04:55 PM
What's with the Bills interest in our players? First it was Sands, and now Walker.

is he any good sarf?

drmoyer421
03-02-2007, 04:57 PM
Word is from Bills.com that he is going out to dinner with Jauron

drmoyer421
03-02-2007, 05:01 PM
I too heard the Sirius NFL radio 2 ****** drill. They said that they are really close to signing a deal.

So our Oline could possibly look like..

Peters... Dockery... Fowler... (Preston, Whittle, or possibly Butler)... Walker

thats looking pretty good.. AND YOUNG!

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:32 PM
Dockery:
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4646

Walker & Whittle:
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4647

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:33 PM
Dockery:
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4646

Walker & Whittle:
http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4647

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 05:34 PM
Langston Walker? Doesnt he suck?

Dockery and Whittle are good moves though.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 05:34 PM
There is only one link for the signing but Buffalobills.com reported the Bills have finalized a deal with Dockery and WGR(a local radio) has stated that Walker has also agreed to terms with the Bills. Overall, not a bad day for the Bills and their makeover of the offensive line as they have added 3 OL today in Docker, Walker, and Whittle. Now time to focuse on defense.

Shiver
03-02-2007, 05:34 PM
Now their O-Line is going to be a strength, not a weakness. Especially with Jason Peters evolving into an elite player at Left Tackle. Now they just need some Linebackers, and a complimentary weapon to Lee Evans.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:35 PM
Walker started all 16 games for the Raiders at RT, can't be too bad. I mean they're whole o-line didn't perform to well but he's a former 2nd round pick. I'd like to ask Raiders fans how he is...

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:36 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2644

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 05:37 PM
whoops bad timing betwene me and you Whitner...lol posted at the same time basically ...feel free to delete this one mods

RaiderNation
03-02-2007, 05:37 PM
[QUOTE=49ersfan_87;181298]Langston Walker? Doesnt he suck?QUOTE]

yes he does

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 05:38 PM
He gave up over 10 sacks this year I believe.

Geo
03-02-2007, 05:39 PM
The Buffalo Bills have really addressed thier offensive line this off-season. Marv Levy is old school, he has strengthened both the offensive line and defensive line since he's become the general manager (and I suspect he'll be drafting Amobi Okoye if given the chance).

Willis McGahee dances too much in the backfield for the Bills' taste, which his agent Drew Rosenhaus says is because the Bills haven't given him enough talent up front to block for him. Let's see how he does now.

Geo
03-02-2007, 05:39 PM
That is, if McGahee is still on the team.

Whoever it is lining up behind Losman, they will like running behind that left side of the line.

Shiver
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
He gave up over 10 sacks this year I believe.

But he hadn't given up more than 4 in any other year. So maybe it was just the fact that the Raiders' entire offense sucked?

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
Supposedly on ESPN Clayton said Dockery and Steinbach both got around 7 years, 49 mil.... wow.

Windy
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
the reason he started a lot of games is because we didnt have anyone else.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 05:40 PM
The Buffalo Bills have really addressed thier offensive line this off-season. Marv Levy is old school, he has strengthened both the offensive line and defensive line since he's become the general manager (and I suspect he'll be drafting Amobi Okoye if given the chance).

Willis McGahee dances too much in the backfield for the Bills' taste, which his agent Drew Rosenhaus says is because the Bills haven't given him enough talent up front to block for him. Let's see how he does now.


he might not be around to find out ....and per John Clayton we didn't get Derrick Dockery cheap 7 years 49 million dollars with 16 mill in guarantees

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:41 PM
But he hadn't given up more than 4 in any other year. So maybe it was just the fact that the Raiders' entire offense sucked?

Either way, he and Terrance Pennington will battle it out for the RT spot.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 05:41 PM
Supposedly on ESPN Clayton said Dockery and Steinbach both got around 7 years, 49 mil.... wow.

Dear god. Im so glad the 49ers dont have to overpay for guards...just overpaying for corners.

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 05:42 PM
But he hadn't given up more than 4 in any other year. So maybe it was just the fact that the Raiders' entire offense sucked?

He also has never started 16 games before.

Shiver
03-02-2007, 05:43 PM
Oh, guess I should have checked that, not just "games played," ha ha.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 05:44 PM
He also has never started 16 games before.

Really? I read he started all 16 last year.

Geo
03-02-2007, 05:44 PM
Supposedly on ESPN Clayton said Dockery and Steinbach both got around 7 years, 49 mil.... wow.
Wow. Personally, paying 7 mil per on paper for a guard is ridiculous. I thought that when the Vikings signed Steve Hutchinson last year, and think the same now.

Hopefully the aforementioned teams get their money's worth.

Caddy
03-02-2007, 05:46 PM
I like the Dockery signing. He is a good young player who can help out the Bills

Shiver
03-02-2007, 05:47 PM
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to pay Guards that much. Especially when the Saints plugged in Jahari Evans, a rookie 4th round pick, and he played exceptionally. Oh well. That is the market value after all.

NIN1984
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Walker is awful worst in the NFL he just can't play, Bills won't start him trust me.

Geo
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
The Buffalo Bills have really addressed thier offensive line this off-season. Marv Levy is old school, he has strengthened both the offensive line and defensive line since he's become the general manager (and I suspect he'll be drafting Amobi Okoye if given the chance).

Willis McGahee dances too much in the backfield for the Bills' taste, which his agent Drew Rosenhaus says is because the Bills haven't given him enough talent up front to block for him. Let's see how he does now, if he even remains with the team.

That's a pricey contract that the Bills penned for Dockery. Hopefully they get their money's worth.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
The Bills are employing the cash to the cap system ....I'm pretty sure Dockerys contract is backloaded and 7 years for 16 mill guaranteed is pretty cheap actually a little over 2 mill a year...Plus unless his contract is severly front loaded our cash to the cap should still allow us to sign a couple more ....Speakin of WHICH

The Bills have also signed KR/PR Cortez Hankton to a multi year deal...I guess Marv didn't get his nap in today

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to pay Guards that much. Especially when the Saints plugged in Jahari Evans, a rookie 4th round pick, and he played exceptionally. Oh well. That is the market value after all.

Justin Smiley looks like a bargain now. 5 years 27 mil compared to 7 year 49 mil..wow.

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 05:49 PM
Looks like the Vikings got Hutch at discount price since he is better than the OGs this year getting the same deal. This is actually making me not want Dielman unless he signs a lot smaller of a deal, which isn't likely. I'm just waiting on the Seahawks to sign Dielman to a 7/49 deal. That would be comical.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Looks like the Vikings got Hutch at discount price since he is better than the OGs this year getting the same deal. This is actually making me not want Dielman unless he signs a lot smaller of a deal, which isn't likely. I'm just waiting on the Seahawks to sign Dielman to a 7/49 deal. That would be comical.

I think teams would be better off drafting guards this season..its ridicolous the prices.

Geo
03-02-2007, 05:51 PM
Schefter said that might likely happen, just as he said that the top guards would get Hutchinson money this year. I dismissed it at the time, thinking it wouldn't happen, but I apparently stand corrected.

Flyboy
03-02-2007, 05:57 PM
Schefter said that might likely happen, just as he said that the top guards would get Huchinson money this year. I dismissed it at the time, thinking it wouldn't happen, but I apparently stand corrected.

Never question Schefter, sir.

rocco31fb
03-02-2007, 05:58 PM
This has made my day. I was really worried the Bills would sit back and do nothing. While I was really hoping for Steinbeck, I am more impressed that the Bills could sign 3 guys who not only improve their starting OL, but add great depth.

I don't expect them to do much more than add depth players. I hope they can find a deal for a LB and maybe a RB so the trade of McGahee can be made easier.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Thats some hefty price, there. But it needs to be done. No more addressing of the line will be needed. Dockery is a great player and while it was expensive it was a step we needed to take. I just wonder how much we have left now.

Geo
03-02-2007, 06:03 PM
The left side of the Bills' line could really become something to watch, with Peters and Dockery hopefully staying healthy.

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 06:04 PM
Congrats big time on your signings. i hope after some of our arguements you dont think i hate the Bills. nice job guys. Good luck with Whitner also hes one of my favorite Buckeyes.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:05 PM
Great day to be a Bills fan, IMO.

We FINALLY actually addressed the o-line hard. You guys have no idea how long we have been trying to fix the o-line with cheap FA fixes that have failed miserably. I love all these signings and obviously this changes our draft strategy quite a bit.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:06 PM
The left side of the Bills' line could really become something to watch, with Peters and Dockery hopefully staying healthy.

There's no precursor to suggest that they won't. The line seems to take a slope downwards talent-wise the more you move to the right, but I am intrigued at how the right side competitions will fare out. I'm still a fan of Brad Butler.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:07 PM
Congrats big time on your signings. i hope after some of our arguements you dont think i hate the Bills. nice job guys. Good luck with Whitner also hes one of my favorite Buckeyes.


Nicely done on the Steinbach signing, yourself.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 06:13 PM
Oh i see no love for poor Cortez Hankton signing with the Bills

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 06:15 PM
The Bills signed a right tackle? Where are all of those fans who killed me for saying that was a need? I thought they loved Terrence Metcalf and that he was the next coming... :)

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:19 PM
The Bills signed a right tackle? Where are all of those fans who killed me for saying that was a need? I thought they loved Terrence Metcalf and that he was the next coming... :)

Langston Walker is not the same as a first round pick. And my main thing is that Marv directly said that the OL would be addressed in free agency, not the draft.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:20 PM
Well I expect Whittle to push Fowler for the starting C spot. Not saying he's going to get it but it is a possibility. I think Merz is the odd man out and will be placed on the PS.

At RG, there's Preston, Walker and Whittle again. Tutan Reyes could be thrown in there, but I say that he will be cut. I look for Walker/Whittle to start on opening day.

At RT, we have Pennington, Butler and Walker. I think Pennington will hold off Butler to remain the starter, though.

My projected opening day starting lineup:

Jason Peters - Derrick Dockery - Melvin Folwer - Langston Walker - Terrance Pennington

Whittle, Butler and Preston as backups. Reyes is cut and Merz is put on the PS. Mike Gandy is not re-signed.

The great thing about our O-lineman signings is that we fortified the LG for the next 7 years, we added high-character veteran depth with playoff experience who can play C/RG/RT in Whittle and Walker who is huge and young and can play RG/RT.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:21 PM
The Bills signed a right tackle? Where are all of those fans who killed me for saying that was a need? I thought they loved Terrence Metcalf and that he was the next coming... :)

Actually Walker could start at RG. And the player we like, and the coaching staff is high on, is Terrance Pennington, not Metcalf. I still think that Brad Butler or Terrance Pennington will start at RT.

HawkeyeFan
03-02-2007, 06:24 PM
Wow! Nice job Buffalo. I guess your really investing in that line!

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:25 PM
Oh i see no love for poor Cortez Hankton signing with the Bills

We signed Cortez Hankton?

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 06:25 PM
Walker COULD play guard, but the word out of Buffalo is that they signed him to play right tackle.

I'm not sure what the contract numbers are there but I am sure it is relatively significant to get him to sign on the first day of free agency. Needless to say I doubt they give good money to a guy and then start a 7th round draft pick.

We shall see I guess but as I said the word is it's right tackle.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Walker COULD play guard, but the word out of Buffalo is that they signed him to play right tackle.

I'm not sure what the contract numbers are there but I am sure it is relatively significant to get him to sign on the first day of free agency. Needless to say I doubt they give good money to a guy and then start a 7th round draft pick.

We shall see I guess but as I said the word is it's right tackle.

Well considering that Butler and Pennington haven't played guard, I don't see them converting. We aren't going to start Duke Preston IMO because he is the least talented of the bunch. Tutan Reyes is a possibility although he got benched last year and might be cut. We obviously won't re-sign Mike Gandy now. Jason Whittle is a possibility at RG. Whittle and Walker are versatile so I could see Whittle starting at C or RG. Walker could start at RG or RT. Pennington played LT in college and Butler played RT, so it should be interesting to see who will start on the right side of the line on opening day.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
We signed Cortez Hankton?


Yes we did to a Multi year deal

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 06:35 PM
You guys are getting way ahead of yourselfs and over-valuing some of the that offensive line talent. Pennington, Butler and Whittle will all more than likely be backups.

Oh, and just a comment. $49 million for Derrick Dockery? Good player and I liked him coming out but to give him Hutchinson/Steinbach/Dielman money is crazy.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:36 PM
Yes we did to a Multi year deal

My god we have so many WR's...where he is going to play? DB?

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Link to come. Discuss.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:40 PM
Just a pawn in the path of Chris Denney

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:41 PM
You guys are getting way ahead of yourselfs and over-valuing some of the that offensive line talent. Pennington, Butler and Whittle will all more than likely be backups.

Oh, and just a comment. $49 million for Derrick Dockery? Good player and I liked him coming out but to give him Hutchinson/Steinbach/Dielman money is crazy.

Alright, whatever Scott, you are entitled to your opinion. Sometimes it seems like you just like to rip on us.

gonzo1105
03-02-2007, 06:42 PM
I honestly dont see the point of it myself....I thought Marv was gonna take a nap after Dockery and Walker but i guess not lol

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Well considering that Butler and Pennington haven't played guard, I don't see them converting. We aren't going to start Duke Preston IMO because he is the least talented of the bunch. Tutan Reyes is a possibility although he got benched last year and might be cut. We obviously won't re-sign Mike Gandy now. Jason Whittle is a possibility at RG. Whittle and Walker are versatile so I could see Whittle starting at C or RG. Walker could start at RG or RT. Pennington played LT in college and Butler played RT, so it should be interesting to see who will start on the right side of the line on opening day.

McNally talked about Butler being in the mix at guard

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Alright, whatever Scott, you are entitled to your opinion. Sometimes it seems like you just like to rip on us.

It's not that I like to rip on you Bill fans but you do make it pretty easy. :)

In all seriousness all fans overrated their teams talent but you guys have taken it to another level lately with Losman, Pennington, etc.

Only time will tell how it all shakes out but I just had to point out that I was "Wright" about Pennington.

Geo
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Oh, and just a comment. $49 million for Derrick Dockery? Good player and I liked him coming out but to give him Hutchinson/Steinbach/Dielman money is crazy.
Steinbach is the only free agent who should command Hutchinson money, but if Dielman will then so will Dockery.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:51 PM
It's not that I like to rip on you Bill fans but you do make it pretty easy. :)

In all seriousness all fans overrated their teams talent but you guys have taken it to another level lately with Losman, Pennington, etc.

Only time will tell how it all shakes out but I just had to point out that I was "Wright" about Pennington.

You can't say that you were "Wright" yet, we don't know who's playing where right now. There are so many different possibilites.

We get it, you don't like Losman. I honestly don't see what is so terribly wrong with him besides a few boneheaded throws last year. What don't you like about him?

TheChampIsHere
03-02-2007, 06:55 PM
Walker sucks but he has some talent and maybe a change of scenery will help him. and you have to feel like they overpaid for Dockery. It says this contract is the same size as the one Hutch got.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:56 PM
I honestly dont see the point of it myself....I thought Marv was gonna take a nap after Dockery and Walker but i guess not lol

Do you have a link?

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:56 PM
It's not that I like to rip on you Bill fans but you do make it pretty easy. :)

In all seriousness all fans overrated their teams talent but you guys have taken it to another level lately with Losman, Pennington, etc.

Only time will tell how it all shakes out but I just had to point out that I was "Wright" about Pennington.

Most people here give Losman a fair evaluation. That's one point where I honestly see you as being in a negative minority. Pennington has been talked up a lot for a guy who got a lot of help and didn't look much better than average. The coaches were big on him and his size, and we did what I expected we would - brought in veteran competition. I wouldn't mind at all for Pennington to continue to get his shot, and I'm not discounting anyone from the job right now. I just think your original "diagnosis" of giving us a first round tackle was over the top and that is not the equivalent of a Langston Walker signing.

fischbowl
03-02-2007, 06:57 PM
8 years 80 million.

****.

I need a new jersey.

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 07:00 PM
You can't say that you were "Wright" yet, we don't know who's playing where right now. There are so many different possibilites.

We get it, you don't like Losman. I honestly don't see what is so terribly wrong with him besides a few boneheaded throws last year. What don't you like about him?

Quite to the contrary! I do indeed like Losman and I think he can be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. However, he is not as good (yet) as some of the fans and those stats make him out to be and I still don't think the team is sold on him. I am sticking with my prediction that he won't be the Bills starting quarterback two years from now because I just don't think they like him enough to stick with him. We will see but I do like Losman.

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 07:02 PM
I just think your original "diagnosis" of giving us a first round tackle was over the top and that is not the equivalent of a Langston Walker signing.

Walker has some potential but I believe he was benched by the Raiders during his stay there, which is really saying something, so if they feel he's an upgrade over Pennington then a guy like Levi Brown would be a MAJOR upgrade. Who knows, in the end maybe Walker will end up shifting inside to guard but as I said their intent in signing him was to play him at right tackle.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 07:02 PM
Darrelle Revis, Leon Hall or Amobi Okoye (yes, I know he is a DB) will be a Buffalo Bill.

A concern I have with the CB's now is McGee. He was very dissapointing last season and now we have to fill a #1 void as well. Looks like the Youboty learning curve will have to be acccelerated greatly.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 07:03 PM
I will undoubtedly agree that there are too many Bills fans going by some numbers that don't say it all with Losman and Pennington, more critically in the latter as it is impossbile to judge an OL by his stats, but you make it sound worse than it is in both cases

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 07:07 PM
22 up front, I'm kinda happy for Nate and I'm kinda happy we're not paying him that much. I would have loved him to stay but wow.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 07:07 PM
Walker has some potential but I believe he was benched by the Raiders during his stay there, which is really saying something, so if they feel he's an upgrade over Pennington then a guy like Levi Brown would be a MAJOR upgrade. Who knows, in the end maybe Walker will end up shifting inside to guard but as I said their intent in signing him was to play him at right tackle.

We just dont see it as that much of a need to bring in a huge talent, but some depth and competition can only be good for us.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 07:08 PM
Quite to the contrary! I do indeed like Losman and I think he can be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. However, he is not as good (yet) as some of the fans and those stats make him out to be and I still don't think the team is sold on him. I am sticking with my prediction that he won't be the Bills starting quarterback two years from now because I just don't think they like him enough to stick with him. We will see but I do like Losman.

I honestly think that if they had no plans to keep Losman then they would not have already named him the starter for next year. So as of "Wright" now, Losman is our starting QB for the start of the 07-08 season. If you are to be "Wright" in your prediction, that means that Losman will have to completely bomb this year because you are saying that he won't be the starting QB for the 08-09 season. I see no way in hell this happens. He's going to have a better OL and more experience under his belt. Even if we aren't completely enamored with Losman (which I think we are, but you don't), we aren't going to give up on a QB who produces.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 07:09 PM
How do you see the rest of our FA period playing out?

I think we had a heck of a Day 1 and I don't think we'll make many more moves. I do predict us signing either Nick Harper or Rod Hood though.

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 07:15 PM
In all fairness they named Losman the starter because they really didn't have any other options...

As I said I like him, he made great strides last year and given time I think he can be a successful NFL starter. However, I think Buffalo is going to take a step back in 2007 and I will stick with my prediction that he won't be their starting quarterback by the time the 2009 season starts.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 07:17 PM
In all fairness they named Losman the starter because they really didn't have any other options...

As I said I like him, he made great strides last year and given time I think he can be a successful NFL starter. However, I think Buffalo is going to take a step back in 2007 and I will stick with my prediction that he won't be their starting quarterback by the time the 2009 season starts.

No step back, We will make the playoffs this year. Finally.

Geo
03-02-2007, 07:22 PM
Reports are that Dockery's contract is essentially a 5-year, 23-mil deal. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/03/dock_hit_a_grand_slam.html)

Keep an eye on the overall numbers but also what's actually the case, boys and girls. Self-proclaimed "Sports Leaders" are trash when it comes to reporting such details.

McBain
03-02-2007, 07:23 PM
49... MILLION for derrick dockery... CHRIST! And people say we over pay... well we do but that's not the point. We didn't this time. Dockery is a decent player, he'll play great one game, then you won't see him the other and then the next one he'll get you a few FS. Really, not a bad sign... if choose to ignore the fact that you dished out 49 mil. Seriously, blows my minds.. i was thinking half that.

Geo
03-02-2007, 07:24 PM
EDITED

The Washington Post is reporting that Dockery's contract is essentially a 5-year, 23-mil deal. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/03/dock_hit_a_grand_slam.html)

Lenny P of ESPN is reporting that it's 23 mil over the first 3 years (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2786149).

Admittedly 3 years probably does sound more likely, but I'd wait for an additional source to confirm either figure.

Windy
03-02-2007, 07:26 PM
Langston Walker 5 years 25 million.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 07:30 PM
In all fairness they named Losman the starter because they really didn't have any other options...

As I said I like him, he made great strides last year and given time I think he can be a successful NFL starter. However, I think Buffalo is going to take a step back in 2007 and I will stick with my prediction that he won't be their starting quarterback by the time the 2009 season starts.

He earned the job. Holcomb could've started, he even broke the Bills completion % record for a QB in 2005.

Why would we take a step back? Our team is very young and on the rise.

EDIT: I think we should make this prediction of yours a little more interesting...

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 07:34 PM
Supposedly Langston Walker got 5yr/25 mil

Scott Wright
03-02-2007, 07:42 PM
Reports are that Dockery's contract is essentially a 5-year, 23-mil deal. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/03/dock_hit_a_grand_slam.html)

That wouldn't be too bad.

As far as Walker, why would they give him $25 million when Pennington was so awesome last year? Sorry, that's the last one but I couldn't resist.

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 07:45 PM
That wouldn't be too bad.

As far as Walker, why would they give him $25 million when Pennington was so awesome last year? Sorry, that's the last one but I couldn't resist.

Haha, you are hilarious. Never did I say that he was so awesome. I just said that he played suprisingly well and the coaching staff was very high on him so we wouldn't take a RT that high. Langston Walker is not Levi Brown. We didn't trade the 12th pick in the draft for him. Your mock was wrong, because we won't take Levi Brown.

Space Ghost
03-02-2007, 08:13 PM
Personally, I didn't think Pennington was very good, he needed help from backs and ends on most every play, but he was better than who we had there before the bye week.

After saying that, I though Walker was worse for the Raiders this year than Pennington, but he had no help from anyone and his quarterbacks had very little mobility and stood in the pocket way longer on average than a long play in Buffalo. He also had no running game either and the coaches there were trying to teach the lineman a new way to block. I think that he will be able to be pretty good for us this year and beyond though. He gave up 10+ sacks this year as a tackle. I hope our staff can make good out of that 25 Million dollar contract and I hope that the early reports end up being wrong about that contract and it is closer to 18 Million. He has talent though because he was a second round selection 5 years ago.

If those contracts that we gave those guys average out to what they would make out per season, we spent 12.8 Million dollars of cap space today on three players.

I think that next years line ends up like this:

Peters - Dockery - Fowler - Morgan - Walker

I am excited to see us run behind that left side of the line next year.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 09:01 PM
Where did you hear this?

The Unseen
03-02-2007, 09:02 PM
He's always been an intruiging player. Had injury problems in the past and few opportunities, and showing flashes in those opportunities. I wish him luck.

Space Ghost
03-02-2007, 09:19 PM
Should contribute on special teams, just making Bobby April the best ever at his job. Our Special teams is going to be stacked again next year :D

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 09:21 PM
Have you seen this reported anywhere or am I blind? lol.

Geo
03-02-2007, 09:54 PM
Updated my earlier post (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=181880&postcount=28), as there's some discrepancy on the figures being reported with respect to Dockery's contract.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Personally, I didn't think Pennington was very good, he needed help from backs and ends on most every play, but he was better than who we had there before the bye week.

After saying that, I though Walker was worse for the Raiders this year than Pennington, but he had no help from anyone and his quarterbacks had very little mobility and stood in the pocket way longer on average than a long play in Buffalo. He also had no running game either and the coaches there were trying to teach the lineman a new way to block. I think that he will be able to be pretty good for us this year and beyond though. He gave up 10+ sacks this year as a tackle. I hope our staff can make good out of that 25 Million dollar contract and I hope that the early reports end up being wrong about that contract and it is closer to 18 Million. He has talent though because he was a second round selection 5 years ago.

If those contracts that we gave those guys average out to what they would make out per season, we spent 12.8 Million dollars of cap space today on three players.

I think that next years line ends up like this:

Peters - Dockery - Fowler - Morgan - Walker

I am excited to see us run behind that left side of the line next year.

Actually we had Peters at RT before Pennington, so it technically wasn't an improvement htere, but our tackle situation as a whole became better, which is obviously what you meant.
And I also hope thats not how much we gave Walker. I see him as someone that should have to compete the job and improve from last year. That's not what the money says, though.
And who is Morgan?

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 10:41 PM
yeah I haven't seen this anywhere either. If true, which I'll trust it is, does this mean we will more than likely not re-sign Davis?

Iamcanadian
03-02-2007, 11:33 PM
Man, we are on a real spending spree but this guy isn't much.

BufFan71
03-02-2007, 11:41 PM
go out and get Chris Brown HB from Tennesse.
with McGahee pretty much gone. we need a HB
and he should be the running back

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 12:08 AM
Chris Brown is an average RB. Average with injury concerns. I'd pass. I like T.J. Duckett and then draft his compliment in the draft.

Justin Griffith and Nick Harper next please.

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 12:13 AM
I've been pimping T.J. Duckett for a couple of days now and I think we could get him at a good price.

Daimon Shelton isn't going to be back. FB is a need and I don't see Levy addressing it in the draft. Justin Griffith should be one of our main targets here.

Nick Harper could give us some good CB depth with McGee and Youbouty adn Greer. He fits the system and could give Youbouty some more time to develop.

Rob S
03-03-2007, 06:48 AM
I would love to see Harper here. Duckett could be nice, for the correct price. I doubt we will pay enough for Griffith, he will be around the 3 million per mark imo.

DWhitner20
03-03-2007, 09:19 AM
I wonder how much cap space we have to work with...

DWhitner20
03-03-2007, 09:20 AM
Yes picking up T.J. Duckett, hopefully shipping McGahee off for Denver's 2nd and picking up ANTONIO PITTMAN in round 2. Pittman n' Duckett.

Iamcanadian
03-03-2007, 09:38 AM
I'd guess we are done in FA. I think the rest of the improvements will come from the draft.

WooWoo21
03-03-2007, 09:38 AM
Im really hoping we get Harper. I think he gives Youboty the best chance to develop as a starter. If we bring in Hood who knows what happens with Youboty. Id like to see us draft a FB like Leron Mcclain rather than over paying for one in free agency. So with that being said we could use a CB, and possibly a RB. I think we are just about done spending money to be honest with you. One more mid level name with giant upside and we will be good to go. I predict one trade, one release, and possibly two signings then it will be time for the draft.

Space Ghost
03-03-2007, 09:56 AM
Actually we had Peters at RT before Pennington, so it technically wasn't an improvement htere, but our tackle situation as a whole became better, which is obviously what you meant.
And I also hope thats not how much we gave Walker. I see him as someone that should have to compete the job and improve from last year. That's not what the money says, though.
And who is Morgan?

Thats right, forgot it was Peters, he was so good at LT I guess I just assumed he was there all year. And Matt Morgan was a mistake, I meant Brad Butler.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 10:42 AM
I can't believe we paid Langston Walker that much and Derrick Dockery. overpaid imo.
Yes we needed an upgraded but to give out that much.....wow.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 10:44 AM
How much?
Just another ST.

The way their are spending right now it's most likley a 5 year 35mill

bills_red
03-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Good for Nate, but now that he is paid watch him slack off a bit.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 10:53 AM
http://buffalobills.com/multimedia/index.jsp?FILE_300=http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/bills/wmdemand/06billsfocus/030207fasigns.wmv&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx

Free Agent Signing Press Conference

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 11:39 AM
Its funny, Scott knows how to actually access a plyer, but because most teams are homers they tend to overrate there own players and cant stand another outsider critisizing them.

The Browns are very bad at this. Theres still people out there that think Charlie Frye can lead us to the super bowl.

Losman was close to being a career backup after 2005-2006. But Last year he had an average year and now Bills fans say he is top 10 in the league.

The Pats are still alot better than the Bills. And your only wild card hopes are the Jets being bad, but they have a brighter future than the Bills so I doubt they take a step back.

Losing Nate Clements, Putting Mcgahee on the block and getting rid of an average LB in Fletcher and then putting Spikes on the block isnt exactly how you take a step forward. Then signing Langstan Walker (who got benched on the worste OL in the NFL) isnt something to brag about.

Try to be realistic guys. It sounds more like a rebuilding stage than a playoff push to me.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 11:41 AM
Its funny, Scott knows how to actually access a plyer, but because most teams are homers they tend to overrate there own players and cant stand another outsider critisizing them.

The Browns are very bad at this. Theres still people out there that think Charlie Frye can lead us to the super bowl.

Losman was close to being a career backup after 2005-2006. But Last year he had an average year and now Bills fans say he is top 10 in the league.

The Pats are still alot better than the Bills. And your only wild card hopes are the Jets being bad, but they have a brighter future than the Bills so I doubt they take a step back.

Putting Mcgahee on the block and getting rid of an average LB isnt exactly how you take a step forward. Then signing Langstan Walker (who got benched on the worste OL in the NFL) isnt something to brag about.

Try to be realistic guys.

stop posting on the Bills board. thanks

SuperMcGee
03-03-2007, 11:48 AM
Darrelle Revis, Leon Hall or Amobi Okoye (yes, I know he is a DB) will be a Buffalo Bill.

A concern I have with the CB's now is McGee. He was very dissapointing last season and now we have to fill a #1 void as well. Looks like the Youboty learning curve will have to be acccelerated greatly.

McGee is no #1, but he got better in the second half of the season just as Clements did.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 11:58 AM
No I wont, im intitled to, just like Scott did, the only difference is your not man enough to tell Scott to leave.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 12:02 PM
No I wont, im intitled to, just like Scott did, the only difference is your not man enough to tell Scott to leave.

I was not here, and Scott runs the place so he can do what he wants to do.
Unlike you. The Brows are 1 of the worst teams in FB, and most people think that. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2291
So you can't talk sh!t.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 12:05 PM
We beat you last year in preseason.


Dont ever forget this....The Bills are picking 12th, not 32!

Once Losman gets to the playoffs you can talk him up.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 12:08 PM
We beat you last year in preseason, so you equally suck. You wont make the playoffs with the Pats in Jets, so sorry bout your luck.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PRE-season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We killed the Jets last year and had a close game the other time.
Sept. 24 NY Jets L 28-20
Dec. 10 @ NY Jets W 31-13

So you have no point. You won't make the playoffs becasue you guys just plan suck. Have fun with #1 pick in '08.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 12:11 PM
You guys talk up a young RT that just got replaced at starter for a player that got bench on the worste OL in football.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 12:13 PM
great signing Bills fans, the Pats are losing there gap in the division.

SuperMcGee
03-03-2007, 12:14 PM
Its funny, Scott knows how to actually access a plyer, but because most teams are homers they tend to overrate there own players and cant stand another outsider critisizing them.

The Browns are very bad at this. Theres still people out there that think Charlie Frye can lead us to the super bowl.

Losman was close to being a career backup after 2005-2006. But Last year he had an average year and now Bills fans say he is top 10 in the league.

The Pats are still alot better than the Bills. And your only wild card hopes are the Jets being bad, but they have a brighter future than the Bills so I doubt they take a step back.

Losing Nate Clements, Putting Mcgahee on the block and getting rid of an average LB in Fletcher and then putting Spikes on the block isnt exactly how you take a step forward. Then signing Langstan Walker (who got benched on the worste OL in the NFL) isnt something to brag about.

Try to be realistic guys. It sounds more like a rebuilding stage than a playoff push to me.

Looked like a regular debate to me. Half of the people in the thread aren't even defending Pennington. He shouldn't be handed the starting job, but we all know that neither should Walker. Some competition would've been nice, but our words and checks point to just giving our money and the starting role to a guy who really ought to be proving something first. I expected a signing of this type of talent-level, but for competition reasons, not for grand larseny and a guaranteed starting gig. I guess I just don't see how this would make me a homer.
And I'd say Losman is a top 15 QB, with an argument for top 12. A decent amount of people have potential to pass him this year, however, but he could do the same to a few other names as well.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 12:18 PM
Looked like a regular debate to me. Half of the people in the thread aren't even defending Pennington. He shouldn't be handed the starting job, but we all know that neither should Walker. Some competition would've been nice, but our words and checks point to just giving our money and the starting role to a guy who really ought to be proving something first. I expected a signing of this type of talent-level, but for competition reasons, not for grand larseny and a guaranteed starting gig. I guess I just don't see how this would make me a homer.
And I'd say Losman is a top 15 QB, with an argument for top 12. A decent amount of people have potential to pass him this year, however, but he could do the same to a few other names as well.

Thank you for not being imature and jumping my case just because you didnt agree with the post. It was a normal debate that some Bills fans really take out of hand. Truth hurts.

draftguru151
03-03-2007, 12:21 PM
Do not come into other peoples boards and talk trash. There is nothing wrong with posting in someones elses forum to talk about something, but coming in here and being a troll is just as bad, if not worse than being a troll in every other forum.

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 12:26 PM
How is it talking trash? What did I say that Scott didnt? Like the other Bills poster said "Looked like a regular debate to me". Its these posters that are still 16 that bring the fight, I brought "the debate". There is a huge difference Guru, and once it might have escaladed unto a fight, they did not act accordingly themselves.

SuperMcGee
03-03-2007, 12:44 PM
How is it talking trash? What did I say that Scott didnt? Like the other Bills poster said "Looked like a regular debate to me". Its these posters that are still 16 that bring the fight, I brought "the debate". There is a huge difference Guru, and once it might have escaladed unto a fight, they did not act accordingly themselves.

I must start wording my posts better, because I can not stand you right now. It was a normal debate before you came in saying "Scott automatically trumps your knowledge" and calling everbody a homer and making claims on a player (Pennington) that you more than likely haven't seen more than 5 minures of.

HoopsDemon12
03-03-2007, 01:09 PM
Seeing that last night after losing a game to send us to provincials right before ...wow completly ruined my day...but how we going to compete with that kind of offer anyway

JoeMontainya
03-03-2007, 01:15 PM
You guys said the Browns are the worste team in the NFL, they suck and all of o ur players will be hurt and get arrested, so how are you any better? Hypocrit!


PS, Scott obviously trumps you high schoolers.

draftguru151
03-03-2007, 01:39 PM
You are doing exactly what I told you not to.

Space Ghost
03-03-2007, 02:39 PM
Joe, you are a lousy piece of ****. No one is saying that Losman is a top 10 quarterback. All anyone has said in this is that he isn't as bad as some people had labeled him before the season and that he has progressed more this season than we though he would. Its not our fault your team is so terrible that you need to find something to go off on because your team is so uninteresting and terrible. The only arguments that have been going on in here before you came along were that art and a couple others thought Scott was wrong for saying that Losman won't be a Bill in 2-3 years and that we should draft Levi Brown to address our right tackle need. You are just a big smelly Brown turd. Please, never come back, thanks.

Space Ghost
03-03-2007, 02:40 PM
great signing Bills fans, the Pats are losing there gap in the division.

Hilarious.

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 04:30 PM
Losman was close to being a career backup after 2005-2006. But Last year he had an average year and now Bills fans say he is top 10 in the league.

The Pats are still alot better than the Bills. And your only wild card hopes are the Jets being bad, but they have a brighter future than the Bills so I doubt they take a step back.

Losing Nate Clements, Putting Mcgahee on the block and getting rid of an average LB in Fletcher and then putting Spikes on the block isnt exactly how you take a step forward. Then signing Langstan Walker (who got benched on the worste OL in the NFL) isnt something to brag about.

Try to be realistic guys. It sounds more like a rebuilding stage than a playoff push to me.

Yeah because 8 games is enough game tape to decide if Losman is a starting QB or not.

The Patriots are the class of the division and I don't think anyone will disagree with that statement but the Jets don't have a brighter future then the Bills. They are what they are a team that overachived last year. Not to mention we outplayed them twice last year.

In the first matchup we had a 300 yard passer, a 100 Yd. Receiver and a 150 Yard RB but a mishap here and there cost us the game. Later on in the year we dominated from the outset. I don't see how they have a better future than the Bills.

Nate Clements is a very good CB but was he worth that money? Say yes with a straight face.

London Fletcher is a good LB but he doesn't fit this scheme that the Bills have implemented. Why invest in money in a LB that is getting long in the teeth that doesn't fit the scheme? No answer is needed here. It was a rhetorical question.

Takeo Spikes is on his last legs and like Fletcher he isn't the type of LB that is needed in this scheme. Our 6th Rd. draft pick Keith Ellison outplayed him last year. If we can get good value for Spikes we come out on top here too.

Langston Walker is an enigma. I don't know if he was brought in as a G or a T but he's good depth nonetheless and I think McNally who is considered one of the top OL coaches in the league can help him work out the kinks.

You're a Browns fan you should be the last person to come on another team's forum and troll. LMAO at bragging over a preseason win. I mean I don't think ever seen someone brag about a preseason game.

Good points all around though Champ.

jkb528
03-03-2007, 04:47 PM
How 'bout bringing Travis Henry back? He's still young and doesn't have a ton of mileage, the real question is: would he want to come back to Buffalo considering how he got benched in favor of McGahee, and then traded. My thinking is that since we have a different coach and different GM from when he was here last, we might be able to coax him back, especially since he would be familiar with the area and the facilities. He'd probably cost a good chunk of change though, since he's comming off a very good year in Tennessee, although maybe not as much as it would cost to extend Willis' contract, since Henry isnt the self-proclaimed "best runningback in the NFL"...

bills_red
03-03-2007, 04:54 PM
What about Ed Hartwell?
Played very well before going to the ATL.

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 06:31 PM
Yes picking up T.J. Duckett, hopefully shipping McGahee off for Denver's 2nd and picking up ANTONIO PITTMAN in round 2. Pittman n' Duckett.

Antonio Pittman and T.J. Duckett wouldn't be bad either. I met Pittman a couple of weeks back. Real nice guy.

Draft
1-Alan Branch-DT Michigan
2-Antonio Pittman-RB Ohio St.
2-Eric Wright-CB UNLV
3-Paul Williams-WR Fresno St.
4-Tim Shaw-OLB Penn St.
6-Jeff Rowe-QB Nevada
7-T.J. Downing-G Ohio St.

Free Agents
Derrick Dockery-G
Langston Walker-T/G
Jason Whittle-G
Cortez Hankton-WR
Nick Harper-CB
T.J. Duckett-RB
Justin Griffith-FB

How do you say successful offseason in Spanish?

Rob S
03-03-2007, 06:34 PM
How do you figure we get Branch? Also, signing Harper, Griffith, and Duckett is way too ambitious imo. Maybe, maybe we can get one. I really dont see us spending big money anywhere else besides the draft.

bills_red
03-03-2007, 06:37 PM
What about going after another OG? Floyd Womack, I think he signed a 1 year contract last year for around a million or two. With him at RG we would be stacked at O-Line. 6'4' / 330

marv levy's older brother
03-03-2007, 07:12 PM
It is my guess that Willis will start for the bills and if the line is any good he will rush for 1200-1400 yds this year. He smells a pay day in free agency.

marv levy's older brother
03-03-2007, 07:39 PM
I am temporarily retracting my desire for the bills to trade down in the draft. The Oline issue seems to be solved so there is no need to stock up on 2nd round picks. My assumptions are that TKO will stay, and so will McGahee. The first round should either be a CB or DT/DE. I am leaning to the Dline because disrupting Brady and Pennington will be important. The second round should be a reciever, either a tight end or a wide reciever. Third round goes to LB or CB. Fourth round goes toeither a LB or CB depends on what happened in the third round. Fifth round goes to Le'Ron McClain.

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 09:14 PM
How do you figure we get Branch? Also, signing Harper, Griffith, and Duckett is way too ambitious imo. Maybe, maybe we can get one. I really dont see us spending big money anywhere else besides the draft.

It's not out of this world that Branch drops. Ambitious yes but dammit fork over the cash.

Leon Sandcastle
03-03-2007, 11:38 PM
I heard an interview on Sirius radio with Antonio Pittman. He basically said that he was a Bills fan growing up and tries to imitate his game like Thurman Thomas.

I know there are backs that maybe better than Pittman out there in the draft, but finally a kid that is OPPOSITE than McGAhee, one that would LOVE to play for Buffalo.

Just think Thomas was a second rounder, Pittman could be too

Seriously? That's great to hear. Like I said in another thread I met him a couple weeks back. He's a real nice guy and down to earth. I poked fun at him for entering the draft and I wished him luck at the combine.

Wanted to ask him about his thoughts on playing for the Bills but thought better of it. But I wouldnt' lose any sleep if Marv Levy chose him with a 2nd rounder.

TAMBA is HUNGRY!!!!
03-04-2007, 10:30 AM
I like Tony Hunt in 2nd rd.

SuperMcGee
03-04-2007, 12:29 PM
We're not interested in Chris Brown

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?post_id=1064

Craigo
03-04-2007, 02:57 PM
It's not that I like to rip on you Bill fans but you do make it pretty easy. :)

In all seriousness all fans overrated their teams talent but you guys have taken it to another level lately with Losman, Pennington, etc.


Hahaha... You should listen to Buffalo Bills radio.

These guys are pretty tame with their overrating of players. I live in Ontario and get Buffalo Bills radio, and a lot of people I know listen to it only for comic value. It's ridiculous. You would think they were a Super Bowl team after they win a game, and the worst team in the league after they lose one. Is all local NFL radio like this?

bills_red
03-04-2007, 03:42 PM
Hahaha... You should listen to Buffalo Bills radio.

These guys are pretty tame with their overrating of players. I live in Ontario and get Buffalo Bills radio, and a lot of people I know listen to it only for comic value. It's ridiculous. You would think they were a Super Bowl team after they win a game, and the worst team in the league after they lose one. Is all local NFL radio like this?

I listen to WGR550 and they don't do that. What do you listen to?

heavyduty
03-04-2007, 11:45 PM
We definetly should have given him the big bucks and signed him to play OG for us, Dockery is decent but definetly isnt worth the money we are paying him and walker kinda seems like a Mike Williams to me. I'm happy that we are addressing o-line in FA but i dont think we made the smartest signings. Davis could have been a hell of agood guard beside Peters and our whole offence would have benefited from it.

DWhitner20
03-05-2007, 01:34 AM
Lol and Leonard Davis dosen't remind you of Mike Williams? Both from Texas, both huge and overweight and both major underachievers and dissapointments considering where they were picked at.

WooWoo21
03-05-2007, 11:06 AM
Isnt this the guy Donahoe was going to trade Henry for? If Im correct he wasnt even good enough for our old GM, and if he isnt good enough Id be a little worried. Just be happy with Dockery!

WooWoo21
03-05-2007, 11:14 AM
I usually try not to get into the whole "no one respects the Bills" thing, but reading some of the posts on this board I have to wonder if people make assumptions and then try to pass them as fact. Myth #1 Mcgahee is our best player, Ive seen this one a ton. I suppose seeing he was great in college he has to be our best player. If this logic was true, Akili Smith would have led the Bengals to the Super Bowl. Myth #2 our oline was horrendous last year, true our line hasnt been great, but I think you all will agree it has been getting progressively better. I suppose this stuff shouldnt get to me, but it drives me nuts when people want to hand out praise to guys like Nate Clements and Willis Mcgahee who have minimal contributions to our team. When players like Schobel, Jason Peters, and Lee Evans go unnoticed for the most part. I hope the 49ers have fun watching Nate take chance after chance to make himself look better, and I pray to god Willis makes it out of here before training camp.

SuperMcGee
03-05-2007, 04:23 PM
Much rather have Dockery than Davis

BuffaloDraftGeek
03-05-2007, 04:25 PM
Davis is a bust dude...

SuperMcGee
03-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Isnt this the guy Donahoe was going to trade Henry for? If Im correct he wasnt even good enough for our old GM, and if he isnt good enough Id be a little worried. Just be happy with Dockery!

The rumor was Henry for LJ Shelton, not Davis.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Yeah bro Dockery>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Davis.

SuperMcGee
03-05-2007, 04:30 PM
I hear what you're saying for the most part. I still think Clements is a very good player, but no reason for us to keep him at that type of money.

Space Ghost
03-05-2007, 05:22 PM
I think your opinion only applies to casual fans here.

Space Ghost
03-05-2007, 05:25 PM
Davis was playing at a pro bowl level early in his career as a guard for the Cardinals but when L.J. Shelton left and he took over at left tackle he got punished by fast defensive ends. I guarantee he makes a career as a guard in the NFL before his time is up. I am not upset about getting Dockery, but I too would rather have Davis than Dockery, I think that he lead the league in false starts last year and I don't like that considering I noticed that we jumped offsides a few times last year and some of it was even Losman's counts that drew our own guys across, I just don't want to see us in a bunch of second and long situations next year because of a 49 Million dollar guard.

heavyduty
03-05-2007, 05:38 PM
exactly, Davis was a great OG early in his career before being moved to tackle. We could have easily put him in at OG and he could return to a pro bowl calliber offensive lineman.

rocco31fb
03-05-2007, 06:24 PM
Time to lock this. No link, and who cares.

princefielder28
03-05-2007, 06:28 PM
there's a frachise saver!!!! HAHA

art vandelay
03-05-2007, 07:31 PM
Wow man...do you know anything about Leonard Davis?

Space Ghost
03-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Wow man...do you know anything about Leonard Davis?

Did you even ever see him play guard?

McGahee
03-05-2007, 07:53 PM
Theoretically speaking,

How would you feel about having a D-Line that consists of

Schoebel - McCargo - Triplett - Dewayne White

And backups line

Hargrove - K.Williams - Cullen Jenkins - Ryan Denney


As well, what do you think about Marion Barber being the starting RB for the Bills if McGahee is traded?

JoeMontainya
03-05-2007, 07:54 PM
Im surprised at how many people act like they watched the Cardinals back then, much less paid attention to Leonard Davis when he plays OG.

art vandelay
03-05-2007, 07:54 PM
Did you even ever see him play guard?

I'm not one to watch Cardinals games...but I do know that he is not held in high regard by their fans. He commits alot of penalties and alot of false starts. I would not rather have him over Dockery at OG and if we paid him instead of Walker at OG we would be spending over 20 million more and investing nearly 100 million at the OG positions for two huge Texas players, which are obviously highly skeptical to Bills fans.

art vandelay
03-05-2007, 07:55 PM
Im surprised at how many people act like they watched the Cardinals back then, much less paid attention to Leonard Davis when he plays OG.

Seriously, why are in in here? You don't like the Bills. Get the **** outta here.

art vandelay
03-05-2007, 08:03 PM
To quote Tom Cruise on this...you are "glib." Are you sure that you are a Bills fan?

- DeWayne White was signed to a 5 year deal by the Lions.
- Cullen Jenkins was re-signed to a 4 year deal by the Packers
- Where is Chris Keslay? We re-signed him to starters' money and you don't even list him?
- Where is Tim Anderson? We re-signed him as well.
- Aaron Schobel. Not sure who Schoebel is.
- McCargo and Tripplett are both UT's. You need a NT in there. Our run would absolutely get shredded with that starting lineup, especially since White is a pass-rushing specialist as well.

Finally,
- Marion Barber has been in any type of trade talks at all. If anyone is traded on the Cowboys, it will be Julius Jones, who has been somewhat of a dissapointment so far.



Wow...be sure to take that all in.

McGahee
03-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Heh, no need for the attitude, but I was saying theoretically speaking. It's for a mock draft, and I was hoping to see how Bills fans felt about some roster moves -what they liked, what they disliked. I wasn't looking to get bashed by some fellow fans =/

But, regardless McCargo is not a UT. He is a light, athletic NT for the Cover-2. He's never been a great 3-technique DT, if you even look at the Depth chart right now you would see that he is the starting NT for next year. All throughout college he was a NT, and Scott showed me his profile, which stated that he is better suited for the NT.

DWhitner20
03-05-2007, 10:26 PM
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

heavyduty
03-06-2007, 12:17 AM
ya take off ya douche bag

WooWoo21
03-06-2007, 08:34 AM
Looks like its time for myself, and the other Marshawn Lynch fans to be dissapointed. I love Rhodes' tough style of running, but on other teams. Im not sure what to think about this.

marv levy's older brother
03-06-2007, 09:04 AM
In 6 seasons the the guy has never carried the load. During the superbowl they even commented that he is a better change of pace back then a number one. I do not see the value to the offense, and he will not be cheap. I am concerned that the only real options for trading McGahee seem to be the Ravens, but the are cash strapped from what I read, and the browns?

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 09:36 AM
First off, we are not guaranteed to sign him.

Second, he wouldn't be a feature back. I think if we signed Rhodes then we wouldn't re-sign A-Train. We would draft a RB to pair with him and run a dual RB system.

Leon Sandcastle
03-06-2007, 10:04 AM
I agree with Art. I don't think Marv Levy sees Rhodes as the feature back but a guy that comes in to spell the starting runnnig back. He does fit what we are looking for. A guy who can catch out of the backfield.

I'd much rather sign a T.J. Duckett and draft a RB that can catch out of the backfield.

gonzo1105
03-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Just thought i'd bring this to your attention. I'm not sure if you guys follow the other Bills websites but this guy is purely legit and has been very very close each year to the Bills salary cap and how much money they have. He is known as Clumping Platelets and gets a lot of respect on the board he is usually on and even in the local radio stations where he gets credit for his work. Recently he updated his salary cap numbers and stated we still have somewhere between 12-17 million in cap space

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=120913

marv levy's older brother
03-06-2007, 10:41 AM
If Willis stays and sits out training camp, does he get paid? Does he have to repay any signing bonus for the time he misses? I think all of Drew rosenhous's clients threaten to sit out, so what is the Bills leverage in this process? I am not big fan of his attitude and lack of leadership, but he does produce and you know what McGahee is capable of and what problems to expect of him. If you trade him and sign a change of pace back, you need to draft someone as a feature back. It is a crap shoot, a familiar pain in the ass that can produce or a rookie who may not. I would not pull the trigger on this one, maybe marv has more nerve than me.

Rob S
03-06-2007, 11:13 AM
I actually am against signing Rhodes. We only have 1 big signing left and I would prefer Harper by far. Not even close imo. If we had not blown 25 mil on Langston Walker (what an awful signing) we could have both. Unfortunatley we cant, I prefer Harper by far.

Geo
03-06-2007, 11:47 AM
In 6 seasons the the guy has never carried the load. During the superbowl they even commented that he is a better change of pace back then a number one. I do not see the value to the offense, and he will not be cheap. I am concerned that the only real options for trading McGahee seem to be the Ravens, but the are cash strapped from what I read, and the browns?
When stud RB Edgerrin James went down to season-ending injury in 2001, following his rookie and sophomore years where he won consecutive rushing titles and set one of the most productive years in NFL history, undrafted rookie free agent from Midwestern State Dominic Rhodes stepped in and rushed for over 1,000 in only 10 games - being the first undrafted rookie in NFL history to run for over 1,000 yards in a season. Rhodes' touches decreased dramatically as Edge recovered thereafter, of course, espeically as he suffered a knee injury of his own.

In 2006, Rhodes started every game in the regular season for the Indianapolis Colts, although rookie Joseph Addai had more carries, rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns. It wasn't until the Wild Card playoff game when the Colts found their optimal setting of starting Addai and then rotating Rhodes in as the game wore on. Rhodes seemed to be a better and quicker runningback in that configuration, even breaking at least one great run against all four post-season opponents in the Chiefs, Ravens, Patriots, and Bears.

Rhodes is a servicable back and a competent starter, given the right team. The Colts' patented stretch play didn't suit Rhodes last year much though, he's much better running more north-south and between the tackles.

Geo
03-06-2007, 12:05 PM
I've been big on Antonio Pittman for some time now, he was flying under the radar way too much thanks to the talent around him at Ohio State. Him being excited about Buffalo and the Bills would make me additionally excited if they selected him in the Draft.

RB Kolby Smith from Louisville is another guy who draws my eye for the Buffalo Bills, as he's remarkably similar to the Indianapolis Colts' RB Joseph Addai. Even including, thanks to the depth of talent in the backfield at Louisville, him not getting a chance to shine until his senior year when the leading candidate was injured. Having an all-purpose back who can run tough like that is a great fit for the Bills imo.

Also, wondering if the Bills wait until next year to select their next runningback, Michael Hart from Michigan seems like surprisingly ideal candiate for the Buffalo Bills. With the number of juniors that could declare and Hart not likely setting the world on fire in terms of speed-based testing, he'd likely be a option for the Bills in the 2nd round if not a trade up from their 3rd round pick (depending on how the mighty Bills do next year). Anyone agree?

Edit: I'm ruling out Tony Hunt as he might not even reach the Bills' 2nd round pick.

DWhitner20
03-06-2007, 12:29 PM
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

SuperMcGee
03-06-2007, 02:53 PM
First off, we are not guaranteed to sign him.

Second, he wouldn't be a feature back. I think if we signed Rhodes then we wouldn't re-sign A-Train. We would draft a RB to pair with him and run a dual RB system.

Exactly. And that would be a pretty good situation right there.

Space Ghost
03-06-2007, 03:06 PM
No thank you. Don't need him, I hate his running style.

Space Ghost
03-06-2007, 03:09 PM
Again, don't want him, better than Chris Brown IMO, but I just think its pointless to have to backs nearing 30. I would much prefer drafting a back in rounds 2-4 or getting AD if he falls.

DWhitner20
03-06-2007, 03:18 PM
What if the plan is to move McGahee, bring in Rhodes and draft a RB in one of rounds 2 through 4? That's the most logical explanation to me. I don't view Rhodes as a starter and I don't think our staff does either.

DWhitner20
03-06-2007, 03:19 PM
No thank you. Don't need him, I hate his running style.

I'm not a big fan of him either.

Space Ghost
03-06-2007, 03:32 PM
I don't see the point in signing Rhodes unless it is a relatively cheap, short contract because I think it is a given that we will address running back before the end of the fourth round in the draft and we certainly don't need to be three deep at running back, especially if we are paying a situational guy as much as we can assume Rhodes will demand in this off season. Why not just draft a guy before the end of round four and then play them with Thomas who wasn't too bad last year in the first couple games with the new offensive line when McGahee was out. I really want Antonio Pittman, I think he would be a great Buffalo Bill and I think I remember reading that he wants to be a Bill.

DWhitner20
03-06-2007, 04:00 PM
I don't see the point in signing Rhodes unless it is a relatively cheap, short contract because I think it is a given that we will address running back before the end of the fourth round in the draft and we certainly don't need to be three deep at running back, especially if we are paying a situational guy as much as we can assume Rhodes will demand in this off season. Why not just draft a guy before the end of round four and then play them with Thomas who wasn't too bad last year in the first couple games with the new offensive line when McGahee was out. I really want Antonio Pittman, I think he would be a great Buffalo Bill and I think I remember reading that he wants to be a Bill.

I want Pittman bad too, he didn't say he wants to be a Bills but in a Sirius interview he said he grew up watching the Bills and models his game after Thurman Thomas -- a pretty damn good thing to say if you ask me. :)

DWhitner20
03-06-2007, 04:01 PM
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4653

Wow... shocker... ;)

tylerb929
03-06-2007, 04:21 PM
I don't see the point in signing Rhodes unless it is a relatively cheap, short contract

If that were the case the Colts would have resigned him.

He left to be a starter, so the back up idea or 3rd down back is out of the question.

fischbowl
03-06-2007, 04:40 PM
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=4653

Wow... shocker... ;)

lol. really no surprise here

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 07:52 PM
Good move. He was dead weight.

Interesting to me though that we have cut 2 of the FA's that we signed last year. I have no problem with cutting them though because I didn't like either signings last year.

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 08:07 PM
I had originially read this on BillZone and thought it was true, but I have not heard anything else on it so I am going to close this.

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 09:24 PM
2006-2007

Offseason Gains
Restricted Free Agent Signings & Tenders
- RB Shaud Williams (Bills) - Signed a 2 year contract. Terms Unknown.
- OG Duke Preston (Bills) - ERFA whose rights were retained. Terms Unknown.
- DE Anthony Hargrove (Bills) - Signed a 1 year, $850,000 contract.
- DT Tim Anderson (Bills) - Signed a 1 year, $850,000 contract.
- CB Jabari Greer (Bills) - Signed a 2 year contract. Terms Unknown.

Unrestricted Free Agent Signings
- QB Kevin Eakin (No Team) - Terms Unknown.
- RB Anthony Thomas (Bills) - Signed a 2 year contract. Terms Unknown.
- RB Josh Scobey (Seahawks) - Signed a 1 year contract. Terms Unknown.
- WR Donovan Morgan (Chiefs) - Terms Unknown.
- OL Langston Walker (Raiders) - Signed a 5 year, $25 million dollar contract.
- OL Jason Whittle (Vikings) - Signed a 1 year, $720,000 dollar contract.
- OG Derrick Dockery (Redskins) - Signed a 7 year, $49 million dollar contract.
- DE Chris Kelsay (Bills) - Signed a 4 year, $23 million dollar contract.
- LB Coy Wire (Bills) - Signed a 3 year contract. Terms Unknown.
- CB Kiwaukee Thomas (Bills) - Signed a 2 year contract. Terms Unknown.
- CB Jason Webster (Falcons) - Signed a 1 year contract. Terms Unknown.

Draft Picks Acquired Via Trade
- 2008 3rd rounder - Acquired from Baltimore Ravens in a trade involving RB Willis McGahee.
- 2008 6th & 7th rounders - Acquired from Philadelphia Eagles in a trade involving LB Takeo Spikes and QB Kelly Holcomb.

2007 NFL Draft
- RB Marshawn Lynch (California) - Acquired with the 12th selection overall.
- LB Paul Posluszny (Penn State) - Acquired with the 34th selection overall.
- QB Trent Edwards (Stanford) - Acquired with the 92nd selection overall.
- RB Dwayne Wright (Fresno State) - Acquired with the 111th selection overall.
- S John Wendling (Wyoming) - Acquired with the 184th selection overall.
- TE/FB Derek Schouman (Boise State) - Acquired with the 222nd selection overall.
- DE CJ Ah You (Oklahoma) - Signed a multi-year contract on 06/11/07. Terms Unknown.
__________________________________________________

Offseason Losses
- QB Kelly Holcomb (Eagles) - Traded to the Philadelphia Eagles on 3/26/07 for a 2008 7th rounder.
- RB Willis McGahee (Ravens) - Traded to the Baltimore Ravens on 3/8/07 for a 2007 3rd rounder (#92), a 2007 7th rounder (#220), and a 2008 3rd Rounder.
- FB Daimon Shelton (No Team) - UFA not offered a contract.
- WR Andre Davis (Texans) - Signed a 1 year, $850,000 contract.
- WR Troy Bergeron (No Team) - Released on 2/15/07.
- OL Mike Gandy (Cardinals) - Signed a 3 year, $14 million dollar contract.
- OL Matt Morgan (No Team) - ERFA not offered a contract, now a UFA.
- OG Chris Villarrial (No Team) - Released on 3/1/07. Savings Unknown.
- OG Tutan Reyes (No Team) - Released on 3/6/07. Savings Unknown.
- LB London Fletcher (Redskins) - Signed a 5 year, $25 million dollar contract.
- LB Takeo Spikes (Eagles) - Traded to the Philadelphia Eagles on 3/26/07 for a 2008 6th rounder.
- LB Joe Odom (Bills) - UFA not offered a contract.
- CB Nate Clements (49ers) - Signed an 8 year, $80 million dollar contract.
- SS Matt Bowen (No Team) - Released on 3/1/07. Savings Unknown.

JoeMontainya
03-06-2007, 10:26 PM
Willis, according to John Clayton, can be had for a third rd. selecton. The Bills have brought in Dominic Rhodes and Chris Brown, plummeting willy's value. I'd make this trade in a heart beat.


Would you guys be willing to trade him for a 3rd round pick (early third if its from the Browns)?

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 10:28 PM
How does bringing in Brown and Rhodes plummet his value?

JoeMontainya
03-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Ask John Clayton, I have no idea. But the logical outsider would probably guess that since they announced he is on the block, then they sign another starting caliber RB, that maybe he has to go, which would lower him a tad.

art vandelay
03-06-2007, 10:40 PM
Ask John Clayton, I have no idea. But the logical outsider would probably guess that since they announced he is on the block, then they sign another starting caliber RB, that maybe he has to go, which would lower him a tad.

Do you have a link to Clayton?

JoeMontainya
03-06-2007, 10:41 PM
No link it was said on ESPN when he does his segment.

Come draft time, if you have Brown or another RB on your roster, would a 3rd do it?