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Sniper
09-07-2008, 03:10 PM
I'd say the Rams currently lead with their amazing performance against Philadelphia today.

Discuss

Bruce Banner
09-07-2008, 03:11 PM
Jeff Garcia + Bucs = Fail

Michigan
09-07-2008, 03:12 PM
Lions made a strong statement regarding their pursuit of the #1 pick by impressively allowing Michael Turner to rush for 220 yards.

Sniper
09-07-2008, 03:14 PM
Lions made a strong statement regarding their pursuit of the #1 pick by impressively allowing Michael Turner to rush for 220 yards.

Impressive indeed. Their division is so mediocre, however, that I could see them getting to six wins.

I really like St. Louis' chances from what I saw. Terrible OL, a QB that should have been picked off five times, receivers who get no seperation (maybe that's our awesome secondary), corners who allow Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett AND DeSean Jackson to get 100 yards.

iowatreat54
09-07-2008, 03:15 PM
Rams are the leaders, but the Bears have yet to play...

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 03:17 PM
the Bengals were amazingly pathetic today as well. Palmer was worse than Flacco, CJ has 1 catch, Chris Perry barely got 2.0 ypc....defense was nowhere to be found.

Bengals aren't far behind the Rams imo

The Unseen
09-07-2008, 03:17 PM
Tim Tebow to Jacksonville = marketing win

Sniper
09-07-2008, 03:18 PM
the Bengals were amazingly pathetic today as well. Palmer was worse than Flacco, CJ has 1 catch, Chris Perry barely got 2.0 ypc....defense was nowhere to be found.

Bengals aren't far behind the Rams imo

You should be impressed that Chris Perry didn't get hurt for the season

BmoreBlackByrdz
09-07-2008, 03:24 PM
I gatta say Detroit for letting Atlanta put up 34 and also letting Micheal Turner run for 220 yards and 2 TD's. St.Louis is also up in the running, both teams have terrible defense.

Bruce Banner
09-07-2008, 03:28 PM
Tim Tebow to Jacksonville = marketing win

Tim Tebow to Jax = LOL YOU DRAFTED HIM!?

CJSchneider
09-07-2008, 03:28 PM
the Bengals were amazingly pathetic today as well. Palmer was worse than Flacco, CJ has 1 catch, Chris Perry barely got 2.0 ypc....defense was nowhere to be found.

Bengals aren't far behind the Rams imo

This was one of my first posts. Holy cow!

With the first selection of the 2009 draft... (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1047628&postcount=69)

Sniper
09-07-2008, 03:29 PM
This was one of my first posts. Holy cow!

With the first selection of the 2009 draft... (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1047628&postcount=69)

I still think they lose to the Rams. But they could still get Johnson though.

CJSchneider
09-07-2008, 03:31 PM
I agree that the Rams are winning...or losing that race, but what a prediction that would be!

Sniper
09-07-2008, 03:32 PM
I bet you Michael Oher is looking for houses in St. Louis right now.

aNYtitan
09-07-2008, 03:46 PM
Stats alone, I'd say the Rams

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 04:19 PM
1.) Rams - Oher
2.) Bungles - Johnson
3.) Chiefs - Stafford

Lions and Falcons (don't but too much into this week, it was the Lions) pick up a few wins in somewhat easier divisions to keep them out of the top few spots.

Sniper
09-07-2008, 04:20 PM
1.) Rams - Oher
2.) Bungles - Johnson
3.) Chiefs - Stafford

Lions and Falcons (don't but too much into this week, it was the Lions) pick up a few wins in somewhat easier divisions to keep them out of the top few spots.

2 of that top 3 have done nothing to warrant being in the top 3. Only in the NFL draft....

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 04:22 PM
2 of that top 3 have done nothing to warrant being in the top 3. Only in the NFL draft....

uhhh.......what?

Sniper
09-07-2008, 04:23 PM
uhhh.......what?

Michael Johnson had 20 tackles and 4 sacks last year. Stafford threw 19 TDs. They don't belong in the top 3 right now.

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 04:25 PM
Michael Johnson had 20 tackles and 4 sacks last year. Stafford threw 19 TDs. They don't belong in the top 3 right now.

when its this far away from the draft, you just have to make the assumption that come draft time, they'll have proven their worth if thats where you put them.

this early on, its just about getting the position of need down pat since theres no way we have any idea who will deserve to go that high

keylime_5
09-07-2008, 04:33 PM
St.Louis' division sucks, they won't get it. It'll probably be KC.

Cribbs>Hester
09-07-2008, 04:43 PM
Dallas = L
New York = L
Philadelphia = L
Washington = L
Indianapolios = L
Jacksonville = L
Tennessee = L
Houston = L
Denver = L
Buffalo = L
Pittsburgh = L
Pittsburgh = L
Baltimore = L
Cincinnati = L
Baltimore = W
Cincinnati = W

Cleveland 2-14

Selection = The Next GOAT..........bust that is...

TitleTown088
09-07-2008, 04:52 PM
week one, gotta love it.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
09-07-2008, 05:11 PM
Once you see the offensive juggernaut of:

QB - Kyle Orton
WR - Brandon Lloyd
LT - John St. Clair
LG - Josh Beekman

You will all bow down to the Bears and their quest for either Matthew Stafford or Michael Oher.

Prince 561
09-07-2008, 05:14 PM
Once you see the offensive juggernaut of:

QB - Kyle Orton
WR - Brandon Lloyd
LT - John St. Clair
LG - Josh Beekman

You will all bow down to the Bears and their quest for either Matthew Stafford or Michael Oher.

That offense has the potential to be 49ers bad.

keylime_5
09-07-2008, 05:16 PM
bad year to have the top pick if someone wants guys like Stafford, Tebow, Oher, etc. I would rather pick somewhere a little lower and take Jenkins, Davis, Maualuga, or Wells.

UKfan
09-07-2008, 05:17 PM
Dallas = L
New York = L
Philadelphia = L
Washington = L
Indianapolios = L
Jacksonville = L
Tennessee = L
Houston = L
Denver = L
Buffalo = L
Pittsburgh = L
Pittsburgh = L
Baltimore = L
Cincinnati = L
Baltimore = W
Cincinnati = W

Cleveland 2-14

Selection = The Next GOAT..........bust that is...

You guys are going to lose to the 'Polios? ouch!

eaglesalltheway
09-07-2008, 05:19 PM
Well right now there is no Usain Bolt in the race for last, but there are a lot of close competitiors. Too early to tell right now IMO.

GB12
09-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Impressive indeed. Their division is so mediocre, however, that I could see them getting to six wins.
That reasoning doesn't make sense.

Sniper
09-07-2008, 05:23 PM
That reasoning doesn't make sense.

What's wrong with it?

Shiver
09-07-2008, 05:23 PM
My money is on Detroit. Not only did Turner get 220, but Norwood got 93, and they made Matt Ryan look like Ben Roethlisberger.

Dam8610
09-07-2008, 05:36 PM
Gotta love the overreaction of Week 1. Oddly enough, the team with the biggest real issue right now is the Patriots.

Sniper
09-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Gotta love the overreaction of Week 1. Oddly enough, the team with the biggest real issue right now is the Patriots.

I just wanted to start this thread for the season. Of course it's going to change.

scottyboy
09-07-2008, 05:38 PM
My money is on Detroit. Not only did Turner get 220, but Norwood got 93, and they made Matt Ryan look like Ben Roethlisberger.

they made him look like an idiot who doesn't where motorcycle helmets? wow, they must be bad

Basileus777
09-07-2008, 05:40 PM
Gotta love the overreaction of Week 1. Oddly enough, the team with the biggest real issue right now is the Patriots.

I know Matt Cassell sucks, but to even mention the Pats in a thread about the #1 pick is just homerism.

Xonraider
09-07-2008, 05:44 PM
That offense has the potential to be 49ers bad.

2006 Raiders bad, perhaps.

Gay Ork Wang
09-07-2008, 05:55 PM
I know Matt Cassell sucks, but to even mention the Pats in a thread about the #1 pick is just homerism.
He is not saying they are chasing for #1. he is saying, they are the only one that have a real issue atm.

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 05:57 PM
He is not saying they are chasing for #1. he is saying, they are the only one that have a real issue atm.

eh. anyone hocking the ball in the general direction of Randy Moss can keep the team competitive. Look what Moss did for Culpepper all those years....

Gay Ork Wang
09-07-2008, 06:02 PM
yes but he is not saying #1 pick issue. All he is saying that the only team that the patriots are the only one that have a problem. And if u lose a HoF and one of the best ever and u have to start Matt Cassel who could only score 17 points on a KC Chiefs defense that is a issue.

TitleTown088
09-07-2008, 06:04 PM
. Oddly enough, the team with the biggest real issue right now is the Patriots.
The Bradyless Patriots are better than some NFL teams.

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 06:05 PM
The Bradyless Patriots are better than some NFL teams.

agreed. its an issue to their superbowl chances but i'll take the pats with Cassel starting over the Lions.

The Lions just are an issue, lol

Gay Ork Wang
09-07-2008, 06:19 PM
why do people dont understand he isnt saying they are the worst team but that they have a problem cause they will do worse than they could

keylime_5
09-07-2008, 06:24 PM
The Bradyless Patriots are better than some NFL teams.

like the Chiefs apparently

Menardo75
09-07-2008, 06:24 PM
That offense has the potential to be 49ers bad.

possibly worse

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 06:25 PM
why do people dont understand he isnt saying they are the worst team but that they have a problem cause they will do worse than they could

that is what i pretty much acknowledged in the post right above yours. I've acknowledged it all the long.

Bruce
09-07-2008, 06:29 PM
Jeff Garcia + Bucs = FailThat ='d playoffs last year. Nothing's changed. They won't come close to #1. Probably not even top 10.

TitleTown088
09-07-2008, 06:33 PM
like the Chiefs apparently

Yes, you can add more than a couple of teams to that list as well.

GB12
09-07-2008, 06:38 PM
What's wrong with it?
Well for starters the NFC North is the second best division in the NFC and 4th best in the NFL.

Then the "mediocre" part of the division is the Lions and Bears. Too bad for the Lions they don't get to play themselves. So that's only one bad team in the division that the Lions get to play. I think the Lions will win just one division game with a possibility of two. The Vikings and Packers should both sweep the Lions, maximum games the Lions could take there is 1/4 though. I think the Bears could also sweep the Lions, although a split is much more likely there. The Lions won't get any easy wins from division rivals.

Saying the Lions can win 6 games due to the fact that they're in the NFC North is a dumb statement that probably wasn't thought through.

Race for the Heisman
09-07-2008, 06:40 PM
My original overall season prediction had San Francisco picking first, and I'll stand by that until they surpass the, let me check... 3 wins I predicted for them. I had Atlanta picking second (might have to re-evaluate that). My original top 10 is San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland/Cincinnati, and Tennessee/Miami/Baltimore/Chicago/St. Louis/Seattle.

Smooth Criminal
09-07-2008, 07:01 PM
Cincy might get it. They couldn't get a sack or an INT on a rookie QB with a weak OL.

summond822
09-07-2008, 07:04 PM
My original overall season prediction had San Francisco picking first, and I'll stand by that until they surpass the, let me check... 3 wins I predicted for them. I had Atlanta picking second (might have to re-evaluate that). My original top 10 is San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland/Cincinnati, and Tennessee/Miami/Baltimore/Chicago/St. Louis/Seattle.

Surprised to see that you have Tennessee and Seattle in your top 10. Although with how the Seahawks looked against Buffalo, thats looking like a very real possibilty...if they play like that all season, which they shouldn't.

The Seahawks still play in the NFC West and even if they absolutely suck and don't manage to win the division this year they will still likely end up at or above .500. I doubt that they or Tennessee end up in the top 10.

Race for the Heisman
09-07-2008, 07:13 PM
Surprised to see that you have Tennessee and Seattle in your top 10. Although with how the Seahawks looked against Buffalo, thats looking like a very real possibilty...if they play like that all season, which they shouldn't.

The Seahawks still play in the NFC West and even if they absolutely suck and don't manage to win the division this year they will still likely end up at or above .500. I doubt that they or Tennessee end up in the top 10.

I have the Cards winning the division at 7-9, if that tells you anything. As for the Titans I have them doing a yo-yo thing with some upset wins and some upset losses, but an ultimately disappointing 6-10.

yourfavestoner
09-07-2008, 07:15 PM
Tim Tebow to Jacksonville = marketing win

If the Jags draft Tebow I will personally stab Shack Harris in the face.

summond822
09-07-2008, 07:16 PM
I have the Cards winning the division at 7-9, if that tells you anything. As for the Titans I have them doing a yo-yo thing with some upset wins and some upset losses, but an ultimately disappointing 6-10.

7-9? Wow...that has got to be a depressing new low for the NFC West...

Well, we'll have to see how that goes...the only good thing that comes out of the Seahawks bombing this year is...wait nothing good comes out of that...oh well. Gonna be an interesting year.

Yatta!
09-07-2008, 07:18 PM
After seeing preseason favourites Atlanta and Kansas City play above expectations the new front runners have to be Detroit and St Louis. My money is on Detroit though, I mean they even have a 'should we tank this season' thread in the team forums.

Shiver
09-07-2008, 07:21 PM
The NFL should rescind the automatic playoff bid to the NFC West winner.

Sniper
09-07-2008, 07:22 PM
The NFL should rescind the automatic playoff bid to the NFC West winner.

And give it to an extra NFC East team

BeerBaron
09-07-2008, 08:12 PM
And give it to an extra NFC East team

just let the entire division in then eh? The Skins really didn't look like they belong this year....

Race for the Heisman
09-07-2008, 08:12 PM
And give it to an extra NFC East team

Meh, I'd just have three wild cards (not feeling Giants/Redskins, although I have picked the Iggles to win the Uber Bowl).

The Unseen
09-07-2008, 08:21 PM
If the Jags draft Tebow I will personally stab Shack Harris in the face.

I would too, but average Jacksonville resident: "ZOMG TIM TEBAH WEH GOIN TO THE SUPAH BOWL!"

Bruce Banner
09-07-2008, 08:24 PM
I would too, but average Jacksonville resident: "ZOMG TIM TEBAH WEH GOIN TO THE SUPAH BOWL!"

Tebow

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/18/tebow_tongue.jpg

TheBuffaloBills
09-07-2008, 08:26 PM
WTH..........

brat316
09-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Bears are making a pretty good run at top 5. Ortan wow now i see why Bears fans don't like him as qb. Forte will have to win the Bears games.

1. Lions
2. Rams
3. Bungles
4. KC
5. Phins
6. Falcons
7. Bears
8. Balitmore

Have to see tomorrows teams plays

Gay Ork Wang
09-07-2008, 08:34 PM
? i thought they are leading against the Colts, the defense was nice, the RB seems good. Thats like 10/11 in my books

Race for the Heisman
09-07-2008, 08:38 PM
? i thought they are leading against the Colts, the defense was nice, the RB seems good. Thats like 10/11 in my books

True, but hurt Hester/Forte, and all the air goes out of the balloon.

Gay Ork Wang
09-07-2008, 08:39 PM
yes but as of now its not top5 yet...

neko4
09-07-2008, 08:51 PM
Impressive indeed. Their division is so mediocre, however, that I could see them getting to six wins.

I really like St. Louis' chances from what I saw. Terrible OL, a QB that should have been picked off five times, receivers who get no seperation (maybe that's our awesome secondary), corners who allow Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett AND DeSean Jackson to get 100 yards.
Tom Jackson predicted Detroit to win the division
I laughed my ass off

Bruce
09-07-2008, 09:02 PM
After seeing preseason favourites Atlanta and Kansas City play above expectations the new front runners have to be Detroit and St Louis. My money is on Detroit though, I mean they even have a 'should we tank this season' thread in the team forums.How many more lives does Millen have?

GB12
09-07-2008, 09:05 PM
How many more lives does Millen have?
I don't know, how much longer will William Clay Ford, Jr. live?

Bruce Banner
09-07-2008, 09:06 PM
How many more lives does Millen have?

If it is a matter of lives Millen's been using some cheat codes.

holt_bruce81
09-07-2008, 09:08 PM
Rams will get it, they are atrocious.

bored of education
09-07-2008, 09:17 PM
Kc will be in the top 3-5. I still cant tell if Croyles is the answer or not. The OC/HC haven;t given him the chance YET.

Lions, KC, Rams, bengals, dolphins are in the mix for now

iowatreat54
09-07-2008, 10:32 PM
The NFL should rescind the automatic playoff bid to the NFC West winner.

but how else will they continue the tradition of having the last place team go from <4 wins to winning the division every year? Seriously, it's unbelievable

GB12
09-07-2008, 10:36 PM
but how else will they continue the tradition of having the last place team go from <4 wins to winning the division every year? Seriously, it's unbelievable
That's the NFC South buddy

Iamcanadian
09-07-2008, 11:46 PM
5 teams have clearly established themselves as the front leaders:

The Rams
The Lions
The Chiefs
The Bengals
The 49ers

I'd have to say the Chiefs are the front runners. They couldn't beat NE with Cassel at QB but all 5 of these teams obviously stink so it should be a battle right to the end.
Goodbye Linehan, Nolan, I want to say Millen but it will probably be Marinelli, Lewis if it is the last year of his contract since Brown won't pay 2 HC at the same time, and finally Edwards although he might just servive another year.

bored of education
09-08-2008, 12:54 AM
5 teams have clearly established themselves as the front leaders:

The Rams
The Lions
The Chiefs
The Bengals
The 49ers

I'd have to say the Chiefs are the front runners. They couldn't beat NE with Cassel at QB but all 5 of these teams obviously stink so it should be a battle right to the end.
Goodbye Linehan, Nolan, I want to say Millen but it will probably be Marinelli, Lewis if it is the last year of his contract since Brown won't pay 2 HC at the same time, and finally Edwards although he might just servive another year.


u say that as if the chiefs should have won the game after Brady left. As a I said in another thread..jim abbott could have throw for 300 yards on the chiefs D and Lt. Dan from forrest gump could have run for 100 yards on the chiefs D. but they didnt.

the inept offense was the reason for the loss. Chiefs did very well for what THEY had on their roster. Minus Brady, the NE roster is still better than the KC roster..and ONLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY won by 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yet still in the hunt for number 1 with the youngest roster EVER. still..progresss with made.

Scotty D
09-08-2008, 01:13 AM
Lions are so bad. It makes me sick.

Gatz
09-08-2008, 01:16 AM
Lions are so bad. It makes me sick.I know what makes you sicker...



http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/roflbot-8.jpg

Sorry but as long as this guy doesn't leave the lions are in a cycle of doom. Crappy season-high pick- crappy draft- crappy team- crappy season-high pick- crappy draft...

You get the idea.

Oh, and I say the niners get the #1.
Tebow anyone?

Scotty D
09-08-2008, 01:23 AM
I know what makes you sicker...



http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/roflbot-8.jpg

Sorry but as long as this guy doesn't leave the lions are in a cycle of doom. Crappy season-high pick- crappy draft- crappy team- crappy season-high pick- crappy draft...

You get the idea.

Oh, and I say the niners get the #1.
Tebow anyone?

Don't even show me a pic of that fat ****. I'll go down to Ford Field and shove a goddamn dick up his ass. ******* free loading piece of ****.

holt_bruce81
09-08-2008, 02:10 AM
I know what makes you sicker...



http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/roflbot-8.jpg

Sorry but as long as this guy doesn't leave the lions are in a cycle of doom. Crappy season-high pick- crappy draft- crappy team- crappy season-high pick- crappy draft...

You get the idea.

Oh, and I say the niners get the #1.
Tebow anyone?

eh, I don't see Tebow as #1 material.

Bruce Banner
09-08-2008, 02:12 AM
eh, I don't see Tebow as draftable material.

FIXEDDDDDDDD

Saints-Tigers
09-08-2008, 02:37 AM
Don't even show me a pic of that fat ****. I'll go down to Ford Field and shove a goddamn dick up his ass. ******* free loading piece of ****.

Lawl, who's dick?

wicket
09-08-2008, 03:47 AM
Why arent the seahawks getting any creds, those dudes were awfull to the max! I know those guys have less 'pre-season-hype' about them picking low but seriously.

thefalconer
09-08-2008, 07:58 AM
Why arent the seahawks getting any creds, those dudes were awfull to the max! I know those guys have less 'pre-season-hype' about them picking low but seriously.

their division is pathetic.

giantsfan
09-08-2008, 08:57 AM
WTH..........

tebow is actually tarded. Listen to his interviews "coach tell me to run da ball so i run da ball but sometimes I throw da ball and make a big play, coach real happy when I throw da ball"

DeathbyStat
09-08-2008, 11:24 AM
I'm gonna go with the 49ers

49ersfan_87
09-08-2008, 01:49 PM
I wouldn't say the 49ers. I might have to eat my words later in the season but i think this team looked better after week 1 08 than they did after week 1 07 (a win over the same cardinals). I expect this team to improve. The short yardage run defense sucks though, they couldn't stop 3rd and short for the life of them.

CC.SD
09-08-2008, 02:42 PM
It seriously boggles my mind that Millen is still in charge of the Lions. I mean...wtf?

#1 will be 9ers, it's time to get serious about the fact that JT is starting for them.

Geo
09-08-2008, 02:48 PM
My prediction of Millen finally getting canned after this season (see link in signature) will come true, pls blv.

cdub11
09-08-2008, 02:50 PM
The Rams looked TERRIBLE!!!

Addict
09-08-2008, 02:53 PM
Impressive indeed. Their division is so mediocre, however, that I could see them getting to six wins.

I really like St. Louis' chances from what I saw. Terrible OL, a QB that should have been picked off five times, receivers who get no seperation (maybe that's our awesome secondary), corners who allow Greg Lewis, Hank Baskett AND DeSean Jackson to get 100 yards.

the NFC North?

Vikings - AD and that D-line alone are a nightmare
Bears - beat the Colts @ lucas oil stadium
Packers - contenders

and then there's the Lions... which is sad to say the sewer dwellers.

bigbluedefense
09-08-2008, 02:55 PM
Its just week 1. the Giants looked poised for a top 3 pick this time last year. how did that turn out?

CC.SD
09-08-2008, 02:58 PM
Its just week 1. the Giants looked poised for a top 3 pick this time last year. how did that turn out?

Tell it to the masses of media douches jumping off the Charger bandwagon because we sleepwalked through the first half of the opener.

Twiddler
09-08-2008, 02:58 PM
Its just week 1. the Giants looked poised for a top 3 pick this time last year. how did that turn out?

We get it. You guys won the Super Bowl.

But you do make a good point, it is only week one.

bored of education
09-08-2008, 03:22 PM
Its just week 1. the Giants looked poised for a top 3 pick this time last year. how did that turn out?

You saying the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl?

bigbluedefense
09-08-2008, 03:24 PM
come on guys, you get the point.

P-L
09-08-2008, 03:27 PM
If the Lions aren't picking #1, they'll be picking #2.

Why does this not surprise me? There were 7 Offensive Tackles selected in the 1st Round of the 2008 NFL Draft, not counting Chris Williams. Only 1 of those did not start for his team on Sunday. Anyone want to guess which one?

abaddon41_80
09-08-2008, 03:30 PM
I don't know how anyone can say that the 49ers looked like the worst team in the league. They outgained the Cardinals, averaged 6.6 yards per play (good for 5th in the league), held the Cardinals to only 4 yards per play (4th worst in the league), and converted 38% on their third down (12th in the league). The reason they lost yesterday was stupid plays like Takeo Spikes muffing the pooch kickoff and a bad roughing the pass call that led to a Cardinals touchdown. But even with those mistakes they clearly looked better than at least 10 other teams.

The only team that looks like it should just give up this season is the Rams

MetSox17
09-08-2008, 03:36 PM
My prediction of Millen finally getting canned after this season (see link in signature) will come true, pls blv.

I love how you always go out on a limb with your "predictions".

Addict
09-08-2008, 03:39 PM
If the Lions aren't picking #1, they'll be picking #2.

Why does this not surprise me? There were 7 Offensive Tackles selected in the 1st Round of the 2008 NFL Draft, not counting Chris Williams. Only 1 of those did not start for his team on Sunday. Anyone want to guess which one?

don't tell me, it's our guy, right?

CC.SD
09-08-2008, 03:40 PM
The question is, is Cherilus not starting because he's bad, or because the Lions are completely inept in every facet of the game? I always thought he was a terrific RT prospect.

Addict
09-08-2008, 03:43 PM
The question is, is Cherilus not starting because he's bad, or because the Lions are completely inept in every facet of the game? I always thought he was a terrific RT prospect.

Until I see him play I'll say it's the lions complete lack of everything. The fact he didn't win the job does concern me kinda though. I'm just hoping it's Rod's "I don't wanna play rookies too much"-BS and not Cherilus actually being worse than Foster.

CC.SD
09-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Until I see him play I'll say it's the lions complete lack of everything. The fact he didn't win the job does concern me kinda though. I'm just hoping it's Rod's "I don't wanna play rookies too much"-BS and not Cherilus actually being worse than Foster.

He can't be worse than George freaking Foster. Lions need to deep freeze Calvin and thaw him out when they have a team worthy of his talents.

Sniper
09-08-2008, 11:23 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Oakland takes the lead!

RaiderNation
09-08-2008, 11:27 PM
Raiders take a 2 lap lead over the rams and lions

bored of education
09-08-2008, 11:32 PM
ahem you mean 3

CC.SD
09-08-2008, 11:57 PM
Finally the Raider fans can shut up again. Every year it's the same crap.

Sniper
09-08-2008, 11:58 PM
Oakland has come rocketing out of the gate. I mean, they're using all that Al Davis speed to zoom past the Rams in this race.

BlindSite
09-09-2008, 12:33 AM
Depends whether you think Denver is better than Philly or not, I don't therefore Oakland, St Louis, Detroit,

Gay Ork Wang
09-09-2008, 07:17 AM
lol this years rookie class is awesome

Menardo75
09-09-2008, 05:29 PM
lol this years rookie class is awesome

It has looked very good. I would say the race is definitly tied with Oakland and St. Louis.

bearsfan_51
09-09-2008, 09:52 PM
The Rams defense would be better off if they all laid down and hoped the offense tripped over them.

Menardo75
09-10-2008, 01:04 AM
It seriously boggles my mind that Millen is still in charge of the Lions. I mean...wtf?

#1 will be 9ers, it's time to get serious about the fact that JT is starting for them.

There are a few teams that looked a lot worse than the niners....

D-Rod
09-10-2008, 10:54 AM
#1 Oakland
#2 Chiefs
#3 Lions
#4 Rams
#5 Dolphins
#6 Niners
#7 Skins
#8 Bengals
#9 Texans (partly because of brutal division)
#10 Falcons

Smooth Criminal
09-10-2008, 11:16 AM
1. Washington
2. Oakland
3. Lions
4. Chiefs
5. Rams

Rams have the easiest division so they get a few extra wins.

keylime_5
09-10-2008, 12:02 PM
The question is, is Cherilus not starting because he's bad, or because the Lions are completely inept in every facet of the game? I always thought he was a terrific RT prospect.

he's a rookie and offensive line is a lot harder to adjust to in the pro game than runningback or linebacker.

that said, detroit sucks. Millen is the worst GM of all time.

Jughead10
09-10-2008, 12:25 PM
he's a rookie and offensive line is a lot harder to adjust to in the pro game than runningback or linebacker.

that said, detroit sucks. Millen is the worst GM of all time.

He isn't the prospect that Thomas was, but Thomas still started from day one on a decent team. At LT which is harder. You would think he would be able to crack starting at RT on the Lions. Isn't Duane Brown starting on the Texans?

That being said, Cherilus did not look good the only time I saw him so far. Although that was the first preseason game.

Sniper
09-15-2008, 11:18 AM
The Rams have surged to a commanding lead.

drowe
09-15-2008, 11:24 AM
The Rams did look like they had their eye on the prize. but, they lost to 2 decent teams.

I think the big winner from week 2 was the Bengals. Not only did they lose to another mediocre team, but their offense, which was supposed to be their strong point, looked downright anemic.

Young Legend
09-15-2008, 11:42 AM
IMO KC and the Rams are neck and neck.

Komp
09-15-2008, 01:22 PM
KC, Cincy and the Falcons all looked pretty dreadful this week.

vidae
09-15-2008, 01:38 PM
I was at the game yesterday unfortunetly. When the Raiders took a 16-0 lead I turned to the people I was with and said "With the first overall selection in the 2009 NFL draft, the Kansas Chiefs select.."

Good times!

Menardo75
09-15-2008, 01:43 PM
The Bengals definitly took the lead. Kansas City is tyring though.

Sniper
09-15-2008, 03:01 PM
The Bengals definitly took the lead. Kansas City is tyring though.

The Rams have given up 38 and 41 points.

MetSox17
09-15-2008, 03:02 PM
I was at the game yesterday unfortunetly. When the Raiders took a 16-0 lead I turned to the people I was with and said "With the first overall selection in the 2009 NFL draft, the Kansas Chiefs select.."

Good times!

Who's good times??

Gay Ork Wang
09-15-2008, 03:04 PM
The Rams have given up 38 and 41 points.
To be fair, 7 points were not the defenses fault, Tuck is just fast

bored of education
09-15-2008, 03:21 PM
Who's good times??


With the fans. He was trying to make light of a terrible situation.

MetSox17
09-15-2008, 03:24 PM
With the fans. He was trying to make light of a terrible situation.

I realize that, and i was simply poking fun at his post.

bored of education
09-15-2008, 03:26 PM
I realize that, and i was simply poking fun at his post.
stop. please.

MetSox17
09-15-2008, 03:30 PM
stop. please.

Stop what? Next time, i'll do the whole "/sarcasm" thing, just for you.

bored of education
09-15-2008, 03:31 PM
it wasn't funny at all.

MetSox17
09-15-2008, 03:32 PM
it wasn't funny at all.

Maybe not the post itself, but the fact that you explained what he meant, i thought, was funny.

bored of education
09-15-2008, 03:37 PM
keep posting.

abaddon41_80
09-15-2008, 04:07 PM
1. St. Louis
2. Kansas City
3. Cincinnati
4. Detroit
5. Miami

holt_bruce81
09-15-2008, 06:46 PM
To be fair, 7 points were not the defenses fault, Tuck is just fast

lol The Rams defense has allowed 963 yards in two games.

vidae
09-15-2008, 06:50 PM
A good buddy of mine is a diehard Rams fan and I'm a diehard Chiefs fan so I know a lot about both teams.. and I would be really surprised if the Chiefs didn't hold the first overall pick this coming year.

And the good times thing was semi sarcastic but the game was awesome. I love the stadium. Even when we get whooped I had a blast. Not as much fun as the alternative.. but..

scottyboy
09-15-2008, 06:53 PM
keep posting.

hooray reverse psychology!

Menardo75
09-15-2008, 09:40 PM
The Rams have given up 38 and 41 points.

The Rams can score sometimes though.

Sniper
09-15-2008, 09:57 PM
The Rams can score sometimes though.

They're averaging 8 points per game.

Smokey Joe
09-15-2008, 10:11 PM
So far, from what I've seen...

1. Rams
2. Lions
3. Bengals
4. Chiefs
5. Dolphins

OregonDucks
09-16-2008, 12:19 AM
Rams will get number one pick

Menardo75
09-16-2008, 12:31 AM
They're averaging 8 points per game.

Guess you have a point, it just seems like the Bengals have looked worse.

adschofield
09-16-2008, 12:47 AM
Chiefs will get it... Rams need not apply...They have Steven Jackson...We have no playmakers on this team

nikkayeah
09-16-2008, 03:30 AM
Chiefs will get it... Rams need not apply...They have Steven Jackson...We have no playmakers on this team

dwayne bowe?

Splat
09-16-2008, 09:08 AM
dwayne bowe?

Needs a QB to get him the ball.

Gay Ork Wang
09-16-2008, 09:13 AM
u need a QB to pass it to a WR. Playmakers at WR are really useless or not helping alot without a QB.

Sniper
09-16-2008, 09:21 AM
u need a QB to pass it to a WR. Playmakers at WR are really useless or not helping alot without a QB.

You need an OL for an RB to get significant yardage

Gay Ork Wang
09-16-2008, 09:23 AM
You need an OL for an RB to get significant yardage
yes, but its alot easier for a RB to make some plays cause he touches the ball like 20 times. A WR will only touch it about 5-8 times and he depends on the QB and if u will the OL to protect the QB

Addict
09-16-2008, 10:08 AM
u need a QB to pass it to a WR. Playmakers at WR are really useless or not helping alot without a QB.

see: Johnson, Calvin and Williams, Roy.

Also: in order for a qb to throw you need an Oline capable of doing something.

aNYtitan
09-16-2008, 09:43 PM
I still go with the rams

Sniper
09-17-2008, 10:39 AM
I still go with the rams

Got to man. Their schedule isn't exactly cake either.

diesel
09-23-2008, 01:04 PM
Going with the Chiefs.

drowe
09-23-2008, 01:39 PM
it's a 3 way race after week 3 with the Rams, Lions and Chiefs pulling away from the pack.

The Bengals and Browns are both dark horses but, one of 'em will be all but eliminated when they play each other next week.

And, don't forget about the Texans. winless and haven't shown much.

Menardo75
09-23-2008, 02:46 PM
I think Kansas City has been the most hopeless of all of them. The Rams are definitly a close second though.

yodabear
09-24-2008, 11:43 AM
The Rams have it in the bag, especially since we have Trent "old balls" Green starting.

P-L
09-24-2008, 11:44 AM
The Rams have it in the bag, especially since we have Trent "old balls" Green starting.
It looks like the Rams are trying to get the #1 pick. First Marc Bulger gets benched, then Fakhir Brown gets cut (I guess there are suspension rumors going around). They must really want Matt Stafford.

wicket
09-24-2008, 11:51 AM
i really think there is a team in there that can have a perfect (losing) season, I'd just love to see on of them go 0-16, the phins just failed me last year but could it happen this year. Go everybody who is playing either the chiefs, the rams or the lions.

keylime_5
09-24-2008, 12:02 PM
I think the Chiefs get it. Rams are pretty horrible though. Top 2 picks will go to the Missouri teams, third probably to Detroit at this point.

Sniper
09-24-2008, 12:14 PM
It looks like the Rams are trying to get the #1 pick. First Marc Bulger gets benched, then Fakhir Brown gets cut (I guess there are suspension rumors going around). They must really want Matt Stafford.

Matt Stafford won't fix much. They should target one of the top OTs with Pace on the decline.

Matthew Jones
09-24-2008, 12:24 PM
The Rams play the Seahawks, the 49ers twice, and the Dolphins. They could win two of those games (if they get lucky.)

The Chiefs play the Dolphins, Bengals, and Raiders. I think they could win two of those.

The Lions play the Bears twice (beat them both times last year), and the Packers week 17, who might be to the point where they're resting their starters. I give them the least chance of getting the #1 pick.

If I had to guess right now, I'd go Chiefs #1, Rams #2, Lions #3.

Matthew Jones
09-24-2008, 12:25 PM
I forgot to mention: if the Chiefs are first pick, I'd expect them to go with Matt Stafford, drafting what will be a complete bust. The Rams should take Maualuga (or would if I was drafting for them, Marc Bulger's problem wasn't completely based on the offensive line), and the Lions, maybe Michael Johnson.

T-RICH49
09-24-2008, 12:29 PM
It looks like the Rams are trying to get the #1 pick. First Marc Bulger gets benched, then Fakhir Brown gets cut (I guess there are suspension rumors going around). They must really want Matt Stafford.

if STL somehow miraculously takes the #1 pick from KC and gets Stafford then Maualuga is not a bad consolation prize

DeathbyStat
09-24-2008, 12:49 PM
Unless trent green gets back to his old form and or doesn't get his head exploded, I going with the rams to grab the number one spot and take one of the tackles.

EvilMonkey
09-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Rams:
Points Scored - 29
Points Allowed - 116

gotta still be the frontrunner

MetSox17
09-25-2008, 11:20 AM
At least the Lions can score points. The Rams and Chiefs look completely lost and dumbfounded when they have the ball in their hands.

Whoever ends up with the first pick SHOULD take Stafford anyway. Even if the Rams think Bulger is still decent, the best thing would be for Stafford to sit and learn for a while anyhow. If he goes to the Chiefs though, i hope he prays every night, cause he's gonna get thrown out there, and early.

CC.SD
09-25-2008, 11:31 AM
Chiefs won't get number 1...no matter how bad they are, they always find a way to get a win against the Chargers, usually at Arrowhead. It is inexplicable, but a law of nature nonetheless.

Number 10
09-25-2008, 11:37 AM
if STL somehow miraculously takes the #1 pick from KC and gets Stafford then Maualuga is not a bad consolation prize

The only LB in this class that could possibly go top 5 will be Cushing.

CC.SD
09-25-2008, 11:47 AM
The only LB in this class that could possibly go top 5 will be Cushing.

No chance. Cushing has way too much of an injury history and let's face it, he's got some tweener status. He won't go top 5. Rey probably won't either, but they'll both be gone before the first half of round 1 is over.

Sniper
09-25-2008, 11:59 AM
No chance. Cushing has way too much of an injury history and let's face it, he's got some tweener status. He won't go top 5. Rey probably won't either, but they'll both be gone before the first half of round 1 is over.

And he hasn't done enough to warrant a top 20 selection, let alone top 5.

Number 10
09-25-2008, 12:02 PM
No chance. Cushing has way too much of an injury history and let's face it, he's got some tweener status. He won't go top 5. Rey probably won't either, but they'll both be gone before the first half of round 1 is over.

I don't think Cushing will go top 5, but I think he is the only LB that could possibly land there. Let's face it...if he has a healthy/strong year, he is going to wow scouts in his workouts and a team in need of a playmaking, versatile, pass rushing LB will be very intrigued by him. That said, I think there are too many good CBs and LTs in this class that will overtake him on the top 5 of boards.

Sniper
10-07-2008, 07:43 PM
Who leads the race? Bengals? Rams?

yo123
10-07-2008, 07:44 PM
Who leads the race? Bengals? Rams?

Come on, it's the Lions. They're experimenting with Dan Orlovsky. Dan Orlovsky!

Gay Ork Wang
10-07-2008, 07:47 PM
Go Lions!!

vidae
10-07-2008, 07:47 PM
Chiefs play AFC West opponents tough usually!

But yeah, top three pick, no question.

QB please. Anyone but Sanchez.

ChezPower4
10-07-2008, 08:31 PM
The Lions have the tough schedule and they would probably lose to the Rams. Rod says he "would never quit". Well it seems like his team has already quit and why not tank for the top pick, they don't have Matt Millien to F it up this time around

drowe
10-09-2008, 10:48 AM
i still think it's the rams. the chiefs cheated and won a game..the bengals have showed promise and will probably piece together a few wins...and the lions could get an offense going at some point..but, the rams...just look terrible in every phase of the game. seriously, where would you even start with this team?

Menardo75
10-09-2008, 02:58 PM
i still think it's the rams. the chiefs cheated and won a game..the bengals have showed promise and will probably piece together a few wins...and the lions could get an offense going at some point..but, the rams...just look terrible in every phase of the game. seriously, where would you even start with this team?

I go with the Lions they have not even had a lead in the first half yet...

Go Blue
10-09-2008, 04:14 PM
I go with the Lions they have not even had a lead in the first half yet...

Hell they haven't even scored in the first quater!

iloxygenil
10-10-2008, 08:24 AM
Lions made a strong statement regarding their pursuit of the #1 pick by impressively allowing Michael Turner to rush for 220 yards.
Wanna take this comment back yet? It's not like Turner isn't a dominant back...you guys just underestimated him and the entire Falcons team.

That being said...Detroit is in the driver's seat 100% They cost themselves games. That comeback against Green Bay proves that they can't handle winning, they just won't let themselves. Going to take a couple of years to change the culture up there. They're headed in the right direction with firing Millen, but now it's going to be the coaches and 1/2 the locker room that needs cleaned out.

ChezPower4
10-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Wanna take this comment back yet? It's not like Turner isn't a dominant back...you guys just underestimated him and the entire Falcons team.



He's played 5 games hardly enough time to say that Turner is a domiant back in the NFL.

Sniper
10-10-2008, 03:36 PM
Wanna take this comment back yet? It's not like Turner isn't a dominant back...you guys just underestimated him and the entire Falcons team.

That being said...Detroit is in the driver's seat 100% They cost themselves games. That comeback against Green Bay proves that they can't handle winning, they just won't let themselves. Going to take a couple of years to change the culture up there. They're headed in the right direction with firing Millen, but now it's going to be the coaches and 1/2 the locker room that needs cleaned out.

Allowing anyone to rush for 220 yards is terrible.

critesy
10-10-2008, 03:39 PM
bengals are arguing their case by starting ryan fitzpatrick again. they really want last.

Sniper
10-13-2008, 11:43 AM
Bengals? Lions? Lions? Bengals? Who to select?

wicket
10-13-2008, 11:58 AM
Seriously I am bummed out by the Rams, they were my hope for a team going 0-16 certainly with the weird win of the chiefs the week before, now I only have the bengals and lions remaining if I am not mistaking.

Gay Ork Wang
10-13-2008, 11:59 AM
Lions have a good chance to go 0-16. No one seems to try lol

Iamcanadian
10-13-2008, 03:50 PM
I wouldn't count out Oakland just yet with Shell 2 as their new HC. Detroit and Cincy players are fired up to break their losing streaks and will play hard to not finish up on a 0-16 team. Oakland on the other hand has probably given up trying since they have replaced Detroit as the new laughing stock of the NFL under Davis's guidence.

Gay Ork Wang
10-13-2008, 03:55 PM
You can fire a GM but the owner will stay forever

RaiderNation
10-13-2008, 04:23 PM
If our defense plays like yesterday for the rest of the season, we will the number pick for sure

BlindSite
10-13-2008, 04:59 PM
Its gotta be the Lions, they've got 4 losses off the bat facing the south, then another 6 because they're division is easily better than they are so that's 10 losses right there.

They'll also get, the 49ers and the Redskins? So maybe they can take the 49ers.

Then don't they also get the Colts, Texans, Jags and Tennessee and I honestly don't see them beating anyone there.

0-16 is a big possibility.

holt_bruce81
10-14-2008, 12:22 AM
Well I don't think the Rams will have the #1 overall pick anymore. With Linehan gone, they actually play like they care.

Menardo75
10-14-2008, 02:28 AM
Its gotta be the Lions, they've got 4 losses off the bat facing the south, then another 6 because they're division is easily better than they are so that's 10 losses right there.

They'll also get, the 49ers and the Redskins? So maybe they can take the 49ers.

Then don't they also get the Colts, Texans, Jags and Tennessee and I honestly don't see them beating anyone there.

0-16 is a big possibility.

Niners already beat them actually. It will be Detroit but I could easily see Oakland half of them do not even look like they want to play.

NIN1984
10-19-2008, 10:55 PM
If Carson Palmer really goes on IR, I think the Bengals get the pick.

Sniper
10-19-2008, 10:55 PM
Lions FTW!

Babylon
10-19-2008, 10:57 PM
Seattle wants in on this little poker match.

Sniper
10-19-2008, 10:58 PM
Seattle wants in on this little poker match.

Dan Orlovsky will see your CFL receivers and raise you a scramble out of bounds for a safety.

Babylon
10-19-2008, 11:00 PM
Dan Orlovsky will see your CFL receivers and raise you a scramble out of bounds for a safety.


Hey we have a lame dick coach, no receivers and no QBs, let me say Seattle's body of work in this area is second to none but how can anyone bet against Bungles and cowardly Lions?

GB12
10-19-2008, 11:02 PM
If Carson Palmer really goes on IR, I think the Bengals get the pick.
Detroit doesn't appear to have much of a chance in any of their remaining games besides maybe Minnesota. Today was their best chance to get a win and they lost.

yo123
10-19-2008, 11:03 PM
Dan Orlovsky will see your CFL receivers and raise you a scramble out of bounds for a safety.



Still looking for a GIF of this...

I have dibs on the avatar.

HawkeyeFan
10-19-2008, 11:26 PM
Count the Rams out :)

Babylon
10-19-2008, 11:28 PM
Count the Rams out :)

And Houston too, get rid of the imposters.

MarioPalmer
10-19-2008, 11:33 PM
It's a 2 horse race between the Lions and Bengals. And both would be fine with that. They both will be picking completely different players come April so it really doesn't matter which one gets it.

Lions will take a QB or DE while the Bengals are going to take a OLT, DT, DE or RB. So it's really not much of a comp between them it's really between the Lions and Cheifs. Those 2 are going to be fighting over the top QB who ever distances themselves from the pack. That should be interesting.

Hey Chiefs fans we'll (Bengals) give you the #1 Overall if you trade Dorsey and your #3 Overall..lol

Brent
10-20-2008, 12:00 AM
1 Cincinnati
2 Detroit
3 Seattle
4 KC
5 San Fran

That is currently the bottom 5 in the NFL. Cincy is only ahead because they have played/lost one more game than the Lions. I say that Lions finish last and then KC lands #2 with Cincinnati finishing in 3rd. If the Niners don't fire that failure Nolan, they'll be right in that mix to the end. Cincy and KC play week 17, I think that decides who gets 2 or 3.

BlindSite
10-20-2008, 12:14 AM
Its gotta be detroit, you can just smell a game here or there that's coming where Palmer has a monster day with Housh and Johnson for some reason and they pick up a win but I can't see that happening with Orlovsky.

throwback54milkman
10-20-2008, 12:16 AM
Its gotta be detroit, you can just smell a game here or there that's coming where Palmer has a monster day with Housh and Johnson for some reason and they pick up a win but I can't see that happening with Orlovsky.

however, maybe Calvin can throw to himself, kick the extra point, then get a sack force a fumble and run it in for a TD.

And then do it all over again.

MidwayMonster31
10-20-2008, 12:31 AM
Cincinnati is talented enough where they can run into a few wins as long as Palmer is healthy and getting the ball to Chad and TJ. That being said, their running game sucks so much that they signed Cedric Benson. They are probably the second most dysfunctional team in the league right now, next to the Cowboys. If Palmer is gone, that is the last shred of organization on that team.
I really think that Detroit has a good chance of going 0-16. Any quarterback that can run out of the end zone for a safety shouldn't even be in the league. They have to give Drew Stanton a shot soon. Their defense sucks too.
Seattle looks like crap, despite how talented they are. They need to get healthy more than anything, then maybe they can get a few games at the end of the year.
Kansas City looked worse than any of the other teams in the last two weeks. Now that Croyle's gone for the season (again) they have a huge mess at quarterback. They could make this race interesting despite winning early.

thebow305
10-20-2008, 01:07 AM
Keith Rivers' injury has to tip this thing in Cincy's favor for sure. He was one of the only bright spots for this team.

Gay Ork Wang
10-20-2008, 02:10 AM
Keith Rivers' injury has to tip this thing in Cincy's favor for sure. He was one of the only bright spots for this team.
hey now they do have cedric benson