View Full Version : Seahawks 2008-2009 Discussion Thread
jballa838
08-24-2008, 01:23 AM
New season, new thread. Post all our season related minor news and commentary/impressions here.
summond822
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
Burleson went down with a knee injury, we'll have to see how serious it is, he won't be returning to the Buffalo game. We can't afford to have things like that happen to our already depleted WR core.
Morris is also out with a knee injury and unlikely to return, again, we'll have to see the seriousness of it, but if Holmgren makes Duckett his feature back (should Jones go down as well) then there is something seriously wrong...
summond822
09-08-2008, 08:39 PM
Update on Burleson...he's out for the season...Torn ACL
Morris is out for two weeks with a sprained knee. Jones is going to be the starter this week.
The ramifications of this are huge, the Seahawks had enough faith in their young WR's this last week to throw 41 times. They only ran 21. The o-line is going to have to make huge steps forwards from thier unimpressive showing in order to give this team a legitamite shot to run the ball and win the game. I think that it has become very apparent with how bad the young WR's, and especially Taylor, played, that throwing the ball 40 times a game is out of the question. Any WR that they bring in to fill in for Burleson is not going to have an impact in this weeks game, maybe they need to make a run at Anquan Boldin or Torry Holt. Getting them from division rivals may be hard, but they are probably the best and I have tremendous respect for both of them.
They said that they may sign a veteran WR, got any idea who they are going to target?
jballa838
09-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Joe Horn perhaps? I have no idea what will happen, but I rule out Boldin and Holt because they are in conference, and that will hurt the negotiations.
summond822
09-09-2008, 12:00 AM
I wasn't sure if Horn had signed with another team or not, so I didn't mention his name, but he was the one who immediately came to mind.
I know that Boldin and Holt are pipe dreams, but they are not in the best of circumstances and might want to be given the chance to play on a team that should make the playoffs this year barring anymore serious injuries.
jballa838
09-09-2008, 08:54 AM
What about Terry Glenn? Is he signed anywhere?
summond822
09-09-2008, 10:33 AM
I guess that he isn't either. I heard about another one, but I can't remember his name. Another possibility is to bring Gilmore back, but I don't think that it would be wise considering how he dropped that one pass in the endzone.
jballa838
09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
One pass does not define one's career. We are in DefCon 5 right now looking for recievers. We signed someone today, but meh, I'm not so sure he'll contribute.
summond822
09-09-2008, 11:14 PM
I know it doesn't, but it ended his shots at making the team in the preseason.
I just found out that the Seahawks cut three players, and I can't believe how idiotic this move seems to be.
We cut Plackemeir, Forsett, and Kent...
Plackemeir I understand, he punted really crappy this last week in Buffalo and shanked a couple of punts, inexcusable for a punter at this level...
Forsett, I don't understand, he performed well during the offseason and was the only other guy that they had experience returning punts with. If Holmgren puts Wallace back there and risks injuring him he's asking for this season to go to the toliet, because even thought I love Hasslebeck, he is always playing hurt, and it only takes one hit to end his season. Look at Brady.
Kent...I do not understand this at all. You cut a guy who performed well in the preseason and did more than Payne or Taylor, and I felt earned a shot at a starting job. He will most likely not clear waivers and will be picked up by another team IMO. There were only three healthy WR's on the team and he was one of them, why cut him when you have a guy like Coutu just sitting on the sidelines doing nothing. This is a stupid and ridiculous move that isn't going to help our already hurting receiving core. What the hell are they thinking...
The guy we signed today was a punter, I didn't see any listings of a receiver being added...I'll keep looking and come back if I find something.
summond822
09-09-2008, 11:29 PM
I found a list of WR's that the Seahawks worked out, Glenn and Horn aren't on it. Here's the list with their most recent jobs:
Mark Bradford, Cowboys, 6'2, 205, Rookie out of Stanford (took me forever to even find this...)
Devale Ellis, Lions, 5'11, 170, 1 year (playing), Last Action - 2006
9 G, 4 rec, 41 yds, 6 KR, 139 yds, 4 PR, 61 yds
Mike Hass, Bears, 6'1, 208, No Action, Drafted: 6th round 2006
Billy McMullen, Redskins, 6'4, 215, 4 years (playing), Last Action - 2006
45 G, 45 rec, 601 yds, 3 TDs
Samie Parker, Panthers, 5'11, 185, 4 years, Last Action - 2007
47 G, 110 rec, 1529 yds, 7 TDs
Last year: 15 G, 24 rec, 298 yds, 2 TDs
Kinda confused why they aren't going after Glenn or Horn. Questionable management decision from my point of view...
Looking over their stats only Parker and McMullen seem worthy of signing, and I don't even think that they are worth it...
summond822
09-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Update: The Seahawks are going to sign McMullen today according to a report I found on Yahoo! sports.
An interesting read was the piece by the Tacoma News Tribune, it says that they should line up Josh Wilson outside and have him take off downfield. Just let Hasslebeck throw him the ball. Interesting theory but I doubt that they will do it.
Also, since McMullen has no experience returning punts, and Forsett is gone, that leaves Seneca Wallace as the only other player with experience returning punts and he is also their potential 4th WR.
Not good news that he is gonna be back there with the chance to get injured...I still am not comfortable with Frye as Hasslebeck's backup and until they start protecting Hasslebeck better I think it's too dangerous to be risking Wallace.
Also, Rob Sims is likely done for the season with a torn pectoral muscle. This leaves Womack starting and Wrotto backing him up.
Updates:
ESPN is reporting that the Seahawks have signed Samie Parker, but I didn't find a mention of it on KFFL.
KFFL reported that Bumpus could be called up from the practice squad, which doesn't make sense to me, because if you going to cut Kent, a more experienced WR in your system, why would you promote a rookie...
There is also talk on KFFL that Coutu could get cut.
jballa838
09-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Who is running our team?
summond822
09-12-2008, 12:42 PM
Who is running our team?
I don't know anymore...
The guy can draft for defense, he deserves credit for that even though I still don't like drafting Lawrence Jackson in the first round. Really liked the pick of Red Bryant, and I loved the pick of Brandon Mebane last year as I was huge on Mebane. Signing Deon Grant and Russell was big for the team. And there's more examples. Ruskell does a very good if not great job when it comes to the defense.
But when it comes to talent acquisition on the offensive side of the ball, he's terrible. Pro Football Prospectus constructed a list of the best Ruskell-era offensive players acquired, with their results included, and oh brother was it was ugly. And it just got worse imo.
Maybe Forsett wasn't a perfect fit for the Seahawks offense, I don't know, but Ruskell compounded upon his terrible signing of TJ Duckett by keeping him and letting Forsett go. He should have recognized that Julius Jones basically sucks unless you use the guy on draw plays. And why even cut Forsett now, with Maurice Morris out for a month or so? Especially when they are two kickers on the roster? Yeah, I don't get it.
I also think Leonard Weaver should get the ball more, that kid can ball, but that's probably more on Holmgren. I'm sure he'll consider it the next few weeks, when his only other options are Jones and Duckett.
Btw, Duckett is as good as gone after this year. He was paid too much of a signing bonus for the Hawks to bite the bullet, but after this season, he can say farewell. Unless Jim Mora really wants to keep sticking up for him, after falling flat on his face the first time.
summond822
09-12-2008, 01:13 PM
The guy can draft for defense, he deserves credit for that even though I still don't like drafting Lawrence Jackson in the first round. Really liked the pick of Red Bryant, and I loved the pick of Brandon Mebane last year as I was huge on Mebane. Signing Deon Grant and Russell was big for the team. And there's more examples. Ruskell does a very good if not great job when it comes to the defense.
But when it comes to talent acquisition on the offensive side of the ball, he's terrible. Pro Football Prospectus constructed a list of the best Ruskell-era offensive players acquired, with their results included, and oh brother was it was ugly. And it just got worse imo.
Maybe Forsett wasn't a perfect fit for the Seahawks offense, I don't know, but Ruskell compounded upon his terrible signing of TJ Duckett by keeping him and letting Forsett go. He should have recognized that Julius Jones basically sucks unless you use the guy on draw plays. And why even cut Forsett now, with Maurice Morris out for a month or so? Especially when they are two kickers on the roster? Yeah, I don't get it.
I also think Leonard Weaver should get the ball more, that kid can ball, but that's probably more on Holmgren. I'm sure he'll consider it the next few weeks, when his only other options are Jones and Duckett.
Btw, Duckett is as good as gone after this year. He was paid too much of a signing bonus for the Hawks to bite the bullet, but after this season, he can say farewell. Unless Jim Mora really wants to keep sticking up for him, after falling flat on his face the first time.
I agree with all of your points. Defensively he has brought in some great talent through the draft in Tatupu, Hill, and Tapp. The free agent signings on the defensive side of the ball have generally panned out and Peterson, Kerney, Grant, and Russell have all been huge additions.
In a different thread I mentioned how Ruskell always goes with the safe pick on offense. Spencer, Carlson in the early rounds. He generally waits until the 3rd or 4th round before he starts drafting offensive players and usually its O-linemen. I didn't understand not going after a WR in the draft or FA, being as how every single one of the WR's they were trying out were drafted in the 6th round at earliest.
Weaver is the best RB on our team. He's also the most complete back we have on our team. He's not afraid to block, he can receive well, and when he runs it is impressive the results that he comes up with. He is beyond a shadow of a doubt my favorite back on the team. Morris and Jones are the same back, and neither deserves to start in the league IMO. Duckett looks like Shaun Alexander back there, trying to dance and not just go in and hit the hole. Only he's slower than Shaun was even when Shaun was hurt the last two seasons. Owen Schmitt doesn't hold a candle to Weaver in terms of athletisicm.
I wanted Duckett gone this year and thought that they should have kept Forsett. I personally think that Forsett would have been a better RB than Jones or Morris. He's not afraid of contact and is quite effective running the ball. Now he's in Indianapolis, and I wish him the best.
The biggest problem with Ruskell is that he has complete control of the team on draft day, so if Holmgren wanted a TE that could stretch the field, he may get to put in his two cents, but Ruskell ultimately makes the decision. I don't argue with his drafting philosophy of trading down and taking linemen, but at some point you have to be aggresive and go get a player that can help your team immediately. There were plenty of oppurtunities to draft a WR in the second or third round, but he passed on them. I dunno, I think we're just doing the natural thing for fans and when things go bad we immediately question the decisions.
You know what, I like the Carlson pick. You don't want to be left depending on a rookie at any position, but he will very likely turn into a very good player and I think he'll show some of it short-term too because of his smarts.
His hands can't be any worse than Putzier, in any case.
In a different thread I mentioned how Ruskell always goes with the safe pick on offense. Spencer, Carlson in the early rounds. He generally waits until the 3rd or 4th round before he starts drafting offensive players and usually its O-linemen. I didn't understand not going after a WR in the draft or FA, being as how every single one of the WR's they were trying out were drafted in the 6th round at earliest.
What hurts is that, when they did try to get top-notch guys, they missed and the team is still suffering for it. Chris Spencer was a first round pick, hasn't lived up to it. Deion Branch, not only the cost of a 1st round pick but a big free agent contract, hasn't lived up to it. They signed a few guys and drafted some lineman in the 4th round, as you say, and they haven't panned out. How Mike Wahle will work out, we'll see this season and beyond.
If Courtney Taylor can get the drops out of his system, I think he can be a good player though. And Good Ole' Reliable Bobby E should hopefully be back after the Week 4 bye, at least. The Hawks need their defense to win the next two homes games against San Fran and St. Louis, and they've usually done that the last two or three years.
Seahawks could have a great wide receiver, runningback, and/or offensive lineman prospect reach their pick for '09 though.
summond822
09-13-2008, 04:17 PM
You know what, I like the Carlson pick. You don't want to be left depending on a rookie at any position, but he will very likely turn into a very good player and I think he'll show some of it short-term too because of his smarts.
His hands can't be any worse than Putzier, in any case.
I'm starting to like Carlson more, after seeing his performance in the game, but what I meant by that is that instead of going for a TE that could possibly be a big play threat they went after the consensus all-around best TE. It may fit the offense the best, but I was kinda hoping for a TE like Keller or Davis who had the possibility to be a deep threat out of that position. I don't really think Carlson is going to be a deep-threat, he seems more like the kind of reliable receiving TE that this offense has been lacking recently. He should be a good target in the red zone as well.
Seahawks could have a great wide receiver, runningback, and/or offensive lineman prospect reach their pick for '09 though.
I sure hope so. I also hope that they at least make a run in the playoffs since this is Holmgren's last year with the team.
summond822
09-16-2008, 10:45 AM
Just found out that the Seahawks are about to resign Korean Robinson. I actually like this move. It brings Robinson back to Seattle and since he has appearently turned his life around, it seems like a good idea.
He was one of Hasselbeck's favorite targets, but the one thing I remember about him is he has a penchant to make the big highlight reel catch but will sometimes drop the routine ones. I think it has to do with concentration. He could be a good acquisition.
They are starting to talk about trading for a WR who has been in the system. Yahoo mentioned Darrell Jackson, Jeremy Urbane, and D.J. Hackett. I don't think they will go after Jackson or Hackett. I kinda wonder what other WR's are out there on the trade market besides Boldin...and we all know Arizona won't trade him to Seattle unless it's for a ridiculously good package in their favor.
I agree, that is a very good move, assuming he's still in football shape. In a desperate situation like this, he's one of the best options to sign. Joe Horn is still out there, but maybe he doesn't have the legs for the game anymore.
(I read something that indictated Holmgren wanted to bring Robinson in last week, but Ruskell opposed the idea. Oh brother, thankfully the offensive football mind won out.)
Only two more weeks until The Main Man can hopefully be healthy enough to play. One of most underrated receivers in the league, Bobby "Old Reliable" Engram. Better than Torry Holt, as I declared this summer. :p
TitleTown088
09-16-2008, 11:42 AM
His knee is toast.
diabsoule
09-16-2008, 04:21 PM
There has been a trade between the Seahawks and Broncos with the 'Hawks receiving WR Keary Colbert in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick.
summond822
09-16-2008, 04:53 PM
I know that the draft pick is a late rounder. Colbert could be a good pick up. It is going to be interesting to see who they cut. I hope it is Coutu since there is no use in keeping around a kicker who is just going to be sitting on the bench. If they like him enough to keep him around they should sign him to the practice squad.
This has been a ridiculously bad year for the Seahawks WR's...I think we're on our 10th and 11th guys (Robinson and Colbert)
Schefter said that it was a conditional 5th round pick, but that hasn't been confirmed yet. Might be too much for the Seahawks to give up imo, so let's wait and see.
jballa838
09-16-2008, 08:09 PM
I like how we finally realized we needed to bring in WRs to have a shot at winning the next couple games until Branch is back and hopefully Engram returns.
Sure, he's spent this offseason through now in Mike Shanahan's west coast offense. And isn't old, which is something the Seahawks are obviously focusing on with the young guys they are picking up. But a 5th round pick that, if Colbert performs, can become a 4th round pick? Not good imo, especially when Denver was stupid and signed Colbert to a bigger contract than they should have, and were stuck with him until Seattle came into the picture.
Look at Colbert's base salaries (per Rotoworld):
'08- 605K
'09- 2M
'10- 1.5M plus 500K roster bonus
Unless the Seahawks are planning to foot 2M for Colbert next year, he's a one-year solution and I don't like giving up a 5th round pick for that. Two million dollars, I doubt Colbert is worth that (maybe he tears it up though), and relatively speaking you can sign a number of rookie receivers for that price - the number depends on which draft picks or UDFAs.
The Redskins drafted Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly all in the second round last year, and the total cap charge is around $2.44M (of course the number will increase with each following year of their contracts). You could sign six receivers who are 6th round picks, 7th round picks, undrafted free agents, and players off of practice squads, likely with some change to spare.
I think I would have rather signed someone off a practice squad instead, Anthony Mix or Devin Aromashodu come immediately to mind personally. Although that would entail bringing in another young player who is quite inexperienced to the offense.
Still, what's done is done, and at least things look much better now with Koren Robinson and Kerry Colbert in the fold. With Engram back soon hopefully, Hasselbeck has a trio of receivers he can work with.
summond822
09-20-2008, 06:21 PM
I doubt we pay 2 M for Colbert next year when we wouldn't even give Bobby Engram a contract extension this year. He is only going to earn like 1.7M. I thought that Engram had a realistic case for more money, and now he's hurt...If we keep Colbert next year and let Engram go I'm not going to be happy.
jballa838
09-23-2008, 09:01 AM
Robinson didn't suit up, think he will actually make an impact, or is he done?
I think the best way to look at it is that the 'hawks brought him in a week early, with the Week 4 bye coming up. That gives him three weeks up until the Week 5 game to get into the thick of things, which still isn't a whole lot of time but you have to make do.
But you know, if his knee continues to act up, that probably seals it.
Deion Branch's name keeps popping up, but I can't understand that. The man had knee surgery to repair at least one torn ligament (think it was two?) this January. That's tough. I just don't know how much he'll actually contribute this year, I was very surprised he wasn't placed on PUP.
summond822
09-23-2008, 02:30 PM
I think the best way to look at it is that the 'hawks brought him in a week early, with the Week 4 bye coming up. That gives him three weeks up until the Week 5 game to get into the thick of things, which still isn't a whole lot of time but you have to make do.
But you know, if his knee continues to act up, that probably seals it.
Deion Branch's name keeps popping up, but I can't understand that. The man had knee surgery to repair at least one torn ligament (think it was two?) this January. That's tough. I just don't know how much he'll actually contribute this year, I was very surprised he wasn't placed on PUP.
He's actually been participating in practices, although it has been with limited involvement. It is very possible that he comes back for the week 5 game. He didn't get placed on PUP because they wanted him back before week 6, and they still think it is a possibility. He was actually listed as doubtful for the game, while Engram was listed as Out. I think that he is ready to come back now and if we had a game this week he would have been playing.
As for Robinson...man what a buzzkill. He comes in and brings with him all these high expectations (unintentionally) and then he isn't even active for the game...
TitleTown088
10-09-2008, 04:45 PM
So is Branch playing or what?
summond822
10-09-2008, 05:46 PM
i don't think so. I believe he is out indefinately with a heel bruise.
woodnick
01-03-2009, 12:37 PM
Hey guys, theres a forum mock thats being set up if anybody is interested. There are still something like 12 GM spots available if people are interested.
For people that haven't participated in a forum mock in the past they should check it out, they are tons of fun.
Sign-up deadline is tonight, so try to hurry.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...t=28445&page=3
steelersfan43
02-26-2009, 02:59 AM
Whats up with lawrence jackson? Is he going to be good or was he a bad pick?
cacksman
02-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Whats up with lawrence jackson? Is he going to be good or was he a bad pick?
Way too early to tell. Ask at the end of the season for a better prediction.
TheBuffaloBills
02-26-2009, 02:55 PM
Hey guys, I am in control of the Seahawks if anyone wants them for the mock on here. Just ask me, and I will give them to you if you want them.
summond822
02-26-2009, 05:00 PM
Whats up with lawrence jackson? Is he going to be good or was he a bad pick?
I don't know if he is going to be good or not, it is too early to tell. Is he going to be an elite pass rusher? Probably not. Is he going to be a guy who gets pressure every now and then and helps shore up the run defense? Probably.
Like cacksman says, at the end of the season we'll get a better read.
Cicero
03-11-2009, 01:59 AM
We couldn't even offer Bodden 1 million? Arrr
Cicero
04-01-2009, 05:15 PM
What would everyone be willing to give up for Cutler?
summond822
04-02-2009, 01:47 PM
What would everyone be willing to give up for Cutler?
Right now, I would have to say that I don't want Cutler. I just don't think that he is a fit on this team, and I don't think that the Seahawks are willing to give up on Hasselbeck right now.
That being said, the MOST that I would offer for Cutler atm would be our 1st and Hasselbeck, and I would expect Denver to throw in a later round pick.
Babylon
04-02-2009, 03:03 PM
What would everyone be willing to give up for Cutler?
#4 pick this year and 1st next year (hopefully it will be a late 1st). I think with Cutler you're getting a pro bowl type for the next 10 years. Hasselbeck has been a good QB but he is one hit away from extinction and we have nothing after that.
Cicero
04-02-2009, 04:53 PM
#4 pick this year and 1st next year (hopefully it will be a late 1st). I think with Cutler you're getting a pro bowl type for the next 10 years. Hasselbeck has been a good QB but he is one hit away from extinction and we have nothing after that.
Ya, I'm a Cutler fan myself and I would love to get a deal like that done.
Another possibility I was thinking about today is what do you think the chances of us moving up back into the first to take Wells are? We can't expect to have a very good running game this year with the current backs on our roster, plus Wells really only falls because of lack of need for RB/teams have other needs. Looking at the TCV chart sending Minnesota our 2nd and 3rd round picks for their first is almost equal.
summond822
04-02-2009, 07:35 PM
Ya, I'm a Cutler fan myself and I would love to get a deal like that done.
Another possibility I was thinking about today is what do you think the chances of us moving up back into the first to take Wells are? We can't expect to have a very good running game this year with the current backs on our roster, plus Wells really only falls because of lack of need for RB/teams have other needs. Looking at the TCV chart sending Minnesota our 2nd and 3rd round picks for their first is almost equal.
One possible scenario now would be trading down to Denver for their firsts to let them grab Sanchez or Stafford (if he was there) and then taking Wells with either the 12th or 18th pick. I'd say they would probably take Oher @ 12 if he was there and Wells @ 18 if he was there. That would be probably the best possible draft the Seahawks could have, and we would still retain our early second & third, letting us take BPA at either position. Likely? Probably not, but it sounds like a dream scenario to me.
If the Seahawks were able to trade down, there is also the slight possibility that Crabtree could fall to them.
Cicero
04-02-2009, 08:08 PM
One possible scenario now would be trading down to Denver for their firsts to let them grab Sanchez or Stafford (if he was there) and then taking Wells with either the 12th or 18th pick. I'd say they would probably take Oher @ 12 if he was there and Wells @ 18 if he was there. That would be probably the best possible draft the Seahawks could have, and we would still retain our early second & third, letting us take BPA at either position. Likely? Probably not, but it sounds like a dream scenario to me.
If the Seahawks were able to trade down, there is also the slight possibility that Crabtree could fall to them.
I would love for that to happen. I thought I remember reading somewhere McDaniels liked Sanchez too.
The TVC for trading our second and third to Minnesota for their first is almost exactly even, if we trade up that seems like a pretty probable spot for it to happen at.
summond822
04-27-2009, 07:14 PM
we signed Justin Griffith (Oakland) and Ken Lucas (Carolina) today. I don't have contract details, but when I do I'll post them.
summond822
05-01-2009, 06:59 PM
Seahawks cut Tyler Schmitt today. Only reason I am even bothering posting this is because we actually spent a draft pick on him last year, so there you have it.
Apparently one of our UDFA is a LS (Sean Griffin from Michigan), so maybe we don't have to worry about Robinson handling those duties this year...... how sad is it that we know the name of our long snapper?
jballa838
05-10-2009, 02:19 PM
I laughed so hard when we picked Schmitt. Still to this day it makes no sense.
OneToughGame
05-10-2009, 06:02 PM
I laughed so hard when we picked Schmitt. Still to this day it makes no sense.
For a second I thought you meant Owen Schmitt but yes, Tyler Schmitt was just a hilarious pick.
HawkEye30
05-14-2009, 04:41 PM
i read on a hawks website recently that ruskell is in the last year of his contract, do you think that we'll keep him or do we get a new gm?
OneToughGame
05-14-2009, 11:03 PM
i read on a hawks website recently that ruskell is in the last year of his contract, do you think that we'll keep him or do we get a new gm?
I think it really depends on how we do this season and how the last two years draft picks do. I know a very unoriginal answer lol.
Whats up with lawrence jackson? Is he going to be good or was he a bad pick?
Pass rushers usually take a year or two to come into their own, last year he claimed he was playing injured but he showed flashes. I'd give him another year or two before we finally pass judgement.
i read on a hawks website recently that ruskell is in the last year of his contract, do you think that we'll keep him or do we get a new gm?
This is his make or break year imo.
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