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foozball
09-09-2008, 08:57 PM
With so many scouting reports reading "less than ideal" or "doesn't have prototypical size"...just wondering what yall thought was prototypical size for each position on offense and defense (4-3)

AkiliSmith
09-09-2008, 09:47 PM
Qb - 6'5 230
Rb - 5'11 210
Fb - 6'2 240
Wr - 6'1 200
Ot - 6'5 320
Og - 6'3 320
C - 6'3 300

De - 6'5 260
Nt - 6'4 320
Ut - 6' 300
Wlb - 6'2 230
Mlb - 6'1 240
Slb - 6'2 240
Cb - 6'0 200
S - 6'1 210

Matthew Jones
09-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Qb: 6'5", 230
Rb: 6'0", 220
Fb: 5'11", 250
Wr: 6'3", 220
Te: 6'5", 260
Ot: 6'7", 320
Og: 6'3", 320
C: 6'1", 290

4-3

De: 6'5", 260
Dt: 6'1", 290
Nt: 6'3", 300
Olb: 6'2", 230
Ilb: 6'3", 240
Cb: 6'0", 200
Fs: 6'1", 210
Ss: 6'2", 220

3-4

De: 6'6", 300
Nt: 6'1", 330
Olb: 6'3", 250
Ilb: 6'4", 260

Bruce Banner
09-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Certain positions (mainly skill positions) will differ from person to system.

Michigan
09-09-2008, 10:37 PM
heights and weights from nfl.com

QB: Ben Roethlisberger 6'5 241
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson 5'10 221
FB: Lorenzo Neal 5'11 255
WR: Braylon Edwards 6'3 215
TE: Jason Witten 6'5 262
OT: Marcus McNeill 6'7 336
OG: Chris Snee 6'3 317
C: Olin Kreutz 6'2 292

DE: Aaron Kampman 6'4 265
NT: Pat Williams 6'3 317
UT: Amobi Okoye 6'2 306
OLB: Derrick Johnson 6'3 242
MLB Patrick Willis 6'1 240
CB: Champ Bailey 6'0 192
S: Brian Dawkins 6'0 210

3-4 DE: Richard Seymour 6'6 310
3-4 NT: Casey Hampton 6'1 325
3-4 OLB: LaMarr Woodley 6'2 265
3-4 ILB: Ray Lewis 6'1 250

Cribbs>Hester
09-09-2008, 10:49 PM
34 pass rushing OLB:

Hieght: 6'7
Weight: 292
Bench: 52
40yd Dash: 4.41
10yd Dash: 1.33
Wonderlic: 32
College Production 3 years 291 tackles 65.5 tfl 42.5 sacks 5 picks 10 FF 7 FR 4 touchdowns

Aftermath
09-09-2008, 11:06 PM
34 pass rushing OLB:

Hieght: 6'7
Weight: 292
Bench: 52
40yd Dash: 4.41
10yd Dash: 1.33
Wonderlic: 32
College Production 3 years 291 tackles 65.5 tfl 42.5 sacks 5 picks 10 FF 7 FR 4 touchdowns

The hell is that

niel89
09-10-2008, 02:52 AM
3-4 ILB: Ray Lewis 6'1 250

funny because i recall that he was considered small at the time and that caused him to drop in the draft

ToldLikeItIs
09-10-2008, 03:42 AM
QB - Peyton Manning
RB - LaDainian Tomlinson
FB - Justin Griffith
WR - Terrell Owens
Blocking TE - Kyle Brady
H-Back/TE - Antonio Gates
OT - Joe Thomas
OG - Eric Steinbach
C - Olin Kreutz

DE Chris Long
DT Albert Haynesworth
NT Vince Wilfork
OLB Joey Porter
ILB Brian Urlacher
OLB Chad Greenway
CB Chris McAllister
FS Kerry Rhodes
SS Darren Sharper

All have ideal sizes for their position.

Yatta!
09-10-2008, 03:50 AM
The one thing I would say is that there is no prototype size for a WR, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson have amazing size for their position but its not 'prototype' because its so rare and there are just as many Steve Smith type players who are equally effective despite being 'undersized'.

wicket
09-10-2008, 04:57 AM
The one thing I would say is that there is no prototype size for a WR, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson have amazing size for their position but its not 'prototype' because its so rare and there are just as many Steve Smith type players who are equally effective despite being 'undersized'.

I agree with you there, usually there is a sort of trade of between size and speed.

eaglesalltheway
09-10-2008, 06:27 AM
QB- 6'4 225-6'6 235
RB- 5'11 205-6'1 215
FB- 6'2 240-6'3-260
WR- 6'0 200-6'3 225 (Really varies) Isn't really a prototypical WR, there are too many types of WRs.
OT- 6'4 310-6'6 325
OG- 6'2 315-6'4 330
C- 6'1 300-6'3 325

DE- 6'3 260-6'5 280 Whether RDE or LDE
NT - 6'3 305-6'4 320
UT- 6'2 300-6'3 315
WLB- 6'1 230-6'3 245
MLB- 6'1 240-6'3 255
SLB- 6'2 240-6'4 255
CB- 5'11 195-6'1 205
FS- 6'1 210-6'2 215
SS- 6'1 210-6'2 220

Some of these vary off of systems, and as a result different things are wanted form different positions. I figured I'd do ranges becasue that would be a little better

trekindude
09-10-2008, 11:03 AM
What everyone is listing is optimal size. Prototype is the above average size desired. Like for a 3-4 DE you want someone who's 6'6 and at least 290+, but how may are there really? Maybe 4 or 5 in the league.

eaglesalltheway
09-10-2008, 11:15 AM
That is what we did. Those are optimal sizes, and some of them are small for the finess players at their position, like the 260 DEs in the 4-3 who are speed rushers.

Bengals78
09-10-2008, 02:42 PM
heights and weights from nfl.com

QB: Ben Roethlisberger 6'5 241
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson 5'10 221
FB: Lorenzo Neal 5'11 255
WR: Braylon Edwards 6'3 215
TE: Jason Witten 6'5 262
OT: Marcus McNeill 6'7 336
OG: Chris Snee 6'3 317
C: Olin Kreutz 6'2 292

DE: Aaron Kampman 6'4 265
NT: Pat Williams 6'3 317
UT: Amobi Okoye 6'2 306
OLB: Derrick Johnson 6'3 242
MLB Patrick Willis 6'1 240
CB: Champ Bailey 6'0 192
S: Brian Dawkins 6'0 210

3-4 DE: Richard Seymour 6'6 310
3-4 NT: Casey Hampton 6'1 325
3-4 OLB: LaMarr Woodley 6'2 265
3-4 ILB: Ray Lewis 6'1 250

I would take out Woodley and put in DeMarcus Ware, Height: 6-4 Weight: 262.

As for QB, I would be more inclined to say Palmer or Manning. No homerism or Squeeler hate, I just think they fit the more prototypical size. 6-5 230

Michigan
09-10-2008, 03:30 PM
I would take out Woodley and put in DeMarcus Ware, Height: 6-4 Weight: 262.

As for QB, I would be more inclined to say Palmer or Manning. No homerism or Squeeler hate, I just think they fit the more prototypical size. 6-5 230

They're just examples, but 6'5 241 is better than 6'5 230 (especially considering Ben is the superior athlete), and 6'2 265 is thicker than than 6'4 262, which IMO is important for a 3-4 OLB. However, Merriman's 6'4 272 probably would've been the best example.

Bruce Banner
09-10-2008, 05:58 PM
The one thing I would say is that there is no prototype size for a WR, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson have amazing size for their position but its not 'prototype' because its so rare and there are just as many Steve Smith type players who are equally effective despite being 'undersized'.

I agreed with all of this initially but I reconsidered.

If a coach had to decide whether to have a guy that's 5'9 200 4.4 or a guy that is 6'4 220 4.4 without seeing them or seeing production numbers then I think they will take the latter.

keylime_5
09-10-2008, 07:01 PM
These days...

QB-6'4"/225
RB-5'11"/215
FB-6'0"/250
WR-6'0"/195
TE-6'5"/250
OT-6'6"/320
OG-6'4"/320
C-6'3"/310
DE-6'4"/265 (4-3 DE)
DT-6'3"/300 (4-3 DT)
DE-6'4"/300 (3-4 DE)
NT-6'2"/320 (3-4 NT)
OLB-6'3"/255 (3-4 OLB)
OLB-6'1"/235 (4-3 OLB)
MLB-6'2"/245 (4-3 MLB)
ILB-6'1"/250 (3-4 ILB)
CB-6'0"/190
S-6'0"/195
LS-6'2"/250

Iamcanadian
09-10-2008, 07:56 PM
With so many scouting reports reading "less than ideal" or "doesn't have prototypical size"...just wondering what yall thought was prototypical size for each position on offense and defense (4-3)

Almost all the sporting magazines who put out a draft issue and have former NFL scouts working for them, list a minimum and an optimum size, weight and 40 time for each position. It is my experience that these are pretty rock solid. I suggest you pick up a copy from somewhere.

Mouse
09-12-2008, 01:44 PM
What everyone is listing is optimal size. Prototype is the above average size desired. Like for a 3-4 DE you want someone who's 6'6 and at least 290+, but how may are there really? Maybe 4 or 5 in the league.

i agree

people saying 6'5 230 for QB who fits that description

in an interview with dallas cowboys secondary coach he says nfl teams prefers CB's who are between 5'8 and 5'11 but I forgot the reason

Go_Eagles77
09-12-2008, 02:21 PM
If I made my own team

QB - 6'5 225
HB1 - 5'10 205
HB2 - 6'2 235 (power)
FB - 5'11 250
WR1 - 6'5 220
WR2 - 5'11 185 (speed)
WR3 - 6'1 205 (slot)
TE1 - 6'4 255
TE2 - 6'6 265 (blocker)
LT - 6'5 315
LG - 6'3 315
C - 6'2 305
RG - 6'4 325
RT - 6'6 330

RE1 - 6'4 260
RE2 - 6'3 245 (pass rush specialist)
DT - 6'3 310
UT - 6'2 300
DT3 - 6'4 330 (run stuffer)
LE - 6'5 275
WLB - 6'2 240
MLB - 6'1 255
SLB - 6'4 260
CB1 - 6'1 200
CB2 - 6'0 195
CB3 - 5'10 200 (Nickel)
FS - 6'0 205
SS - 6'2 220

eaglesalltheway
09-12-2008, 03:24 PM
You forgot your LE, GE 77

Go_Eagles77
09-12-2008, 04:06 PM
Thanks, I edited it.

d34ng3l021
09-12-2008, 04:47 PM
I agreed with all of this initially but I reconsidered.

If a coach had to decide whether to have a guy that's 5'9 200 4.4 or a guy that is 6'4 220 4.4 without seeing them or seeing production numbers then I think they will take the latter.

Well obviously. But what are the chances of finding a guy who is 5'9" and runs a 4.4 as oppose to finding a guy who is 6'4" and runs a 4.4? 6'4" and 4.4 is like a top 10 pick. The 5'9" guy, not so much. Its just preference I think. There are plenty of quick guys at 5'9" that coaches may want to use, and there are plenty of guys at 6'4" that coaches may want to use. The smaller guy will probably be faster and the taller guy will be able to go up and get the jump balls.

Race for the Heisman
09-12-2008, 07:11 PM
The other thing to consider with height is stride length. Shorter guys will most likely have a shorter stride, which makes it easier to set up a route, as well as a lower center of gravity, which will also assist in sudden changes of direction.