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Cribbs>Hester
09-14-2008, 11:29 PM
1. Kansas City 0-2 :: Matthew Staffard QB Georgia
2. St. Louis 0-2 :: Rey Maualuga ILB USC
3. Detroit 0-2 :: Vonte Davis CB Illinois
4. Miami 0-2 :: George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida
5. Cleveland 0-2 :: Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
6. Cincinnati 0-2 :: Fili Moala DT USC
7. Seattle 0-2 :: Jeremy Macklin WR Missouri
8. Minnesota 0-2 :: Michael Crabetree WR Texas Tech
9. Jacksonville 0-2 :: Percy Harvin WR Florida
10. San Diego 0-2 :: Taylor Mays S USC
11. Houston 0-1 :: William Moore S Missouri
12. Oakland 1-1 :: Michael Oher LT Ole Miss
13. San Francisco 1-1 :: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
14. Atlanta 1-1 :: Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
15. New YorkJ 1-1 :: Tyson Jackson DE LSU
16. Washington 1-1 :: Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
17. Chicago 1-1 :: Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
18. New Orleans 1-1 :: Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
19. Tampa Bay 1-1 :: Darius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
20. Philadelphia 1-1* :: Andre Smith OT Alabama
21. Indianapolis 1-1 :: DeMarcus Granger DT Oklahoma
22. Baltimore 1-0 :: Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
23. Arizona 2-0 :: Chris Wells RB Ohio State
24. Tennessee 2-0 :: Derrick Williams WR Penn State
25. Buffalo 2-0 :: Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
26. Philadelphia(Carolina) 2-0 :: Patrick Chung S Oregon
27. Pittsburgh 2-0 :: Ciron Black OT LSU
28. Green Bay 2-0 :: Darius Butler CB Connecticut
29. New England 2-0 :: Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
30. New YorkG 2-0 :: Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
31. Denver 2-0 :: Brandon Spikes MLB Florida
32. Dallas 2-0* :: Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma

33. Kansas City 0-2 :: Phil Loadholt RT Oklahoma
34. St. Louis 0-2 :: Brian Cushing OLB USC
35. Detroit 0-2 :: Maurice Evans DE Penn State
36. Miami 0-2 :: Joe Burnett CB Central Florida
37. Cleveland 0-2 :: Everette Brown DE/OLB Florida State
38. Cincinnati 0-2 :: Peria Jerry DT Ole Miss
39. Seattle 0-2 :: Charles Scott RB LSU
40. Minnesota 0-2 :: Travis Beckum TE Wisconson
41. Jacksonville 0-2 :: Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
42. New England(San Diego) 0-2 :: Myron Rolle SS Florida State
43. Houston 0-1 :: Arian Foster RB Tennessee
44. Oakland 1-1 :: Aaron Kelly WR Clemson
45. San Francisco 1-1 :: B.J. Raji NT Boston College
46. Atlanta 1-1 :: Vance Walker DT Georgia Tech
47. New YorkJ 1-1 :: James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State
48. Miami(Washington) 1-1 :: Darry Beckwith ILB LSU
49. Chicago 1-1 :: Louis Murphy WR Florida
50. New YorkG(New Orleans) 1-1 :: Brian Orakopo DE Texas
51. Tampa Bay 1-1 :: Alex Magee DT/DE Purdue
52. Philadelphia 1-1* :: Brandon LeFell WR LSU
53. Indianapolis 1-1 :: Dannell Ellerbe MLB Georgia
54. Baltimore 1-0 :: Jason Smith OT Baylor
55. Arizona 2-0 :: Cody Brown DE/OLB Connecticut
56. Tennessee 2-0 :: Ron Brace DT Boston College
57. Buffalo 2-0 :: Max Unger OL Oregon
58. Carolina 2-0 :: Courtney Green S Clemson
59. Pittsburgh 2-0 :: Evander Hood DT/DE Missouri
60. Green Bay 2-0 :: Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina
61. New England 2-0 :: Alex Boone OT Ohio State
62. New YorkG 2-0 :: Matt Shaughnessy DE Wisconson
63. Denver 2-0 :: Anthony Heygood OLB Purdue
64. Dallas 2-0* :: Pat White WR West Virginia

65. Kansas City :: Alex Mack C California
66. St. Louis :: DeAngelo Smith CB Cincinatti
67. Detroit :: Herman Johnson OG LSU
68. Miami :: Terrance Tyler NT Michigan
69. Dallas(Cleveland) :: Michael Hamlin S Clemson
70. Cincinnati :: Chase Coffman TE Missouri
71. Seattle :: David Bruton S Notre Dame
72. Minnesota :: Bruce Johnson CB Miami(Fla)
73. Jacksonville :: Cullen Harper QB Clemson
74. San Diego :: Kraig Urbik OG Wisconson
75. Houston :: Kevin Barnes CB Maryland
76. Oakland :: Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas
77. San Francisco :: Pannel Egboh DE Stanford
78. Atlanta :: Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
79. New YorkJ :: James Davis RB Clemson
80. Washington :: Tim Jamison DE Michigan
81. Chicago :: Curtis Painter QB Purdue
82. New Orleans :: Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Carolina
83. Tampa Bay :: Ryan Palmer CB Texas
84. Philadelphia :: Anthony Heygood OLB Purdue
85. Indianapolis :: Javon Ringer RB Michigan State
86. Baltimore :: Juaquin Inglesias WR Oklahoma
87. Arizona :: Jason Watkins OT Florida
88. Tennessee :: Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
89. Buffalo :: Antoine Caldwell C Calabama
90. Carolina :: Rashad Johnson S Alabama
91. Pittsburgh :: DeMetrius Byrd WR LSU
92. Green Bay :: George Hypolite DT Colorado
93. New England :: Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
94. New YorkG :: Jonathan Casillas OLB Wisconson
95. Denver :: Dorell SCott DT Clemson
96. Dallas :: Clint Sintim ILB Virginia

SuperKevin
09-14-2008, 11:44 PM
Love Aaron Curry for Buffalo but I don't think he lasts that long.

Not sure if Max Unger fits our style of offense in Buffalo. We seem to like bigger maulers on the OL and Unger is a small finesse guy. I think I'd rather have a TE in round 2 to help our passing attack.

Hines
09-14-2008, 11:47 PM
Great Steelers draft, but I dont think they go with another WR early in the draft. Give us a corner there, or another offensive lineman.

thebow305
09-15-2008, 01:24 AM
Very nice Miami draft! The only thing I would do different is take Ron Brace over Beckwith and then Michael Hamlin over Tyler. I love Brace's size and we do not need an ILB unless we don't re-sign Crowder. We are fine there, but we need secondary help BAD!

diabsoule
09-15-2008, 01:44 AM
I'd rather Chris Wells or Aaron Curry for N.O.

Yatta!
09-15-2008, 05:11 AM
Really nice Packers draft, I'm not sure Butler is a 1st round talent but he's still a very good player. Meredith would be a great pick.

But what's with Michael Oher going 11th?

Bills2083
09-15-2008, 06:43 AM
Love Aaron Curry for Buffalo but I don't think he lasts that long.

Not sure if Max Unger fits our style of offense in Buffalo. We seem to like bigger maulers on the OL and Unger is a small finesse guy. I think I'd rather have a TE in round 2 to help our passing attack.

Plus, we really dont need another lineman (besides center)
Peters at LT
Dockery at LG
C = ?
Butler at RG (who we just resigned to a long-term contract)
Walker at RT

I too would rather go with a TE in the 2nd.

Joeyjr09
09-15-2008, 07:02 AM
The way Miami has played the last 2 weeks, there's no way we are picking outside the top 2.

I know you have Davis going ahead of where we pick but in a perfect world Miami's draft would be something like this based off of the 1st 2 weeks.

1.) Vontae Davis, CB
2a.) Everette Brown, DE/OLB
2b.) Louis Murphy, WR
3.) Michael Hamlin, S

The DBs are easily the biggest problem on our roster. They are getting torched regularly. Our safeties can't cover or tackle and outside of Will Allen, our CBs have no business being on an NFL roster. Everyone can tell our need for a good pass rusher from OLB and obviously we need WRs in the worst way.

eaglesalltheway
09-15-2008, 07:19 AM
Not bad. I really only have a problem with the thrid rounder, OLB isn't a need. But besides that, well done. TE may be looked at there.

indyfan1985
09-15-2008, 07:51 AM
Good 1st round pick for the Colts. Give them either a CB or OL in the 2nd though, and then they would need a WR as well.

CJSchneider
09-15-2008, 07:54 AM
13. San Francisco 1-1 :: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
I haven’t heard a lot of buzz from SF folks about Bradford, not that it is the deciding factor, but, regarless of who is under center next year, they will need a target. I’d rather see Heyward-Bey here.

18. New Orleans 1-1 :: Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
If NO is this low, they will trade down and pick up some additional picks. With Aaron Curry still on the board, I see them dropping a few spots, picking up perhaps an early 3rd rounder / late 2nd and still grabbing Curry.

45. San Francisco 1-1 :: B.J. Raji NT Boston College
Not a bad guy, just not the right pick I’m using your boards of course, but If I were picking for SF, I’d go with a Lineman like Boone or Unger here.

77. San Francisco :: Pannel Egboh DE Stanford
Not a bad 3rd round pick, but I’d rather take on a QB I can develop and turn into a star. Painter is available, and if it were me, I’d grab him.

82. New Orleans :: Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Carolina
A need pick for sure. If we are unable to fill it in the first 2 rounds, this is a great pick. I personally hope we do fill it early and look for a quality CB. I’m hoping Patrick Robinson from Florida State declares and lands about here.

All in all, good job.

rockio42
09-15-2008, 08:08 AM
we don't need two linebackers, espcially in the first and second round

if we take Maualuga then our linebacking core will just get better, but I don't think we need him, we have a healthy Pisa Tinoisamoa who is looking great (slammed Brandon Jacobs to the ground in the 1st quarter, and Jacobs has 20 pounds on him) a beat in Witherspoon (even though hes not a prototypical MLB), and a great young guy who the organization loves in Quinton Culberson

so two LBs is out of the question, one is questionable, but the third round pick is great...

bored of education
09-15-2008, 08:58 AM
I like the Chiefs draft.

wicket
09-15-2008, 09:17 AM
13. San Francisco 1-1 :: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
I haven’t heard a lot of buzz from SF folks about Bradford, not that is the deciding factor, but, regarless of who is under center next year, they will need a target. I’d rather see Heyward-Bey here.

18. New Orleans 1-1 :: Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
If NO is this low, they will trade down and pick up some additional picks. With Aaron Curry still on the board, I see them dropping a few spots, picking up perhaps an early 3rd rounder / late 2nd and still grabbing Curry.

45. San Francisco 1-1 :: B.J. Raji NT Boston College
Not a bad guy, just not the right pick I’m using your boards of course, but If I were picking for SF, I’d go with a Lineman like Boone or Unger here.

77. San Francisco :: Pannel Egboh DE Stanford
Not a bad 3rd round pick, but I’d rather take on a QB I can develop and turn into a star. Painter is available, and if it were me, I’d grab him.

82. New Orleans :: Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Carolina
A need pick for sure. If we are unable to fill it in the first 2 rounds, this is a great pick. I personally hope we do fill it early and look for a quality CB. I’m hoping Patrick Robinson from Florida State declares and lands about here.

All in all, good job.

you kinda stole my thunder here, said about what i wanted to say about my 2 fav teams

thebow305
09-15-2008, 10:24 AM
The way Miami has played the last 2 weeks, there's no way we are picking outside the top 2.

I know you have Davis going ahead of where we pick but in a perfect world Miami's draft would be something like this based off of the 1st 2 weeks.

1.) Vontae Davis, CB
2a.) Everette Brown, DE/OLB
2b.) Louis Murphy, WR
3.) Michael Hamlin, S

The DBs are easily the biggest problem on our roster. They are getting torched regularly. Our safeties can't cover or tackle and outside of Will Allen, our CBs have no business being on an NFL roster. Everyone can tell our need for a good pass rusher from OLB and obviously we need WRs in the worst way.


Very true, I'd take that draft in a second, except for Murphy. I wouln't touch a UF receiver any more, especially that *****.

Joeyjr09
09-15-2008, 11:01 AM
Very true, I'd take that draft in a second, except for Murphy. I wouln't touch a UF receiver any more, especially that *****.

True that, I just added Murphy there because he's the only WR that's currently around that range but there's a list of others I'd personally rather have then him come draft day.

regoob2
09-15-2008, 11:12 AM
I like the Chi picks. Maybe Herman Johnson in rd 2 but I wouldnt complain about those picks.

princefielder28
09-15-2008, 11:27 AM
Derrick Williams is a 1st round pick?

Cribbs>Hester
09-15-2008, 04:07 PM
CJS, you ask for a trade down in every mock on the forum. It is way too early to predict trades, sorry. Oh and yes you're wright it is easier to find a 3rd round QB to develope into a star than it is to find a 1st round QB who can be star :confused:

eaglesalltheway, one of you eagles fans just bitched at me for taking a TE last week so I changed it to an OLB. Make up your minds what is it?

summond822
09-15-2008, 04:42 PM
7. Seattle 0-2 :: Jeremy Macklin WR Missouri

Love the Maclin pick, but just for the sake of discussion I'd have to say that if Oher or Monroe are available there we'd be tempted to take them. Hard to pass on a franchise type LT like Oher or Monroe. They would be able to be groomed behind Walter Jones for a while and then be his eventual replacement.

39. Seattle 0-2 :: Charles Scott RB LSU

Not much to say here, it's one of the right positions. Ruskell probably won't go offense, offense, but I like the pick. We'll have to see how Scott does the rest of the year to see if he's worthy of being picked that high.

71. Seattle :: David Bruton S Notre Dame

Right position. Don't know much about him.

scottyboy
09-15-2008, 04:44 PM
the Giants have NO's 2nd round pick

and I don't know about Casilas, I'll read up on him more, but from the look of it(albeit, it's week 2) the Giants are content using Smith and Hixon as the 3rd option on passing downs as opposed to Boss. Boss' talent hasn't been questioned, he just hasn't been thrown to(3 off the top of my head, 2 were like 5 feet too high and the other caught, but called back do to holding). I doubt we go TE early, if at all now really.

bored of education
09-15-2008, 05:07 PM
QUOTE FROM LAST DRAFT THREAD OF YOURS

Team needs are met though?

Don't take this personally, but I prefer to use my own rankings. I'm always critical of people who don't think for themselves and just base everything off of Kiper, Wright, McShay and ESPN rankings.

I've seen a lot of very good things from Bradford. The only things I saw I didn't like was after Texas Tech knocked him silly, but no QB is going to perform when their brains are scrambled. Matthew Stafford on the other had has been disappointing more than once. We'll have to see how he continues his progression. I personally think Dan LeFevour can be better than both of them much like Big Ben, but he'll never get drafted that high simply because of where he plays and who he plays against.

Why the change ? I think Bradford had a beast of a game this weekend and Stafford played solid.

CashmoneyDrew
09-15-2008, 05:16 PM
I vomitted at that Titans draft. Derrick Williams in the first? Why?
Ron Brace? If we lose Haynesworth we're not gonna wait till the second round to address the whole. And why would we take a WR in the third when we just took one in the first of the same draft?

RaiderNation
09-15-2008, 05:50 PM
1st pick is a great pick, but is Mario Henderson plays how he did against the Cheifs, he might be our future LT. But probably not so LT is a must in round 1

2nd pick is another solid pick. More weapons for Russell is always good

3rd pick is one I dont like. C isnt a need for us at the moment. DE, DT and OLB are bigger need than C.

Cribbs>Hester
09-15-2008, 06:36 PM
QUOTE FROM LAST DRAFT THREAD OF YOURS



Why the change ? I think Bradford had a beast of a game this weekend and Stafford played solid.


I spent all game watching Stafford, Moreno(love this guy) and Brinkley. Matthew Staffard is not the same QB he was last year. He is making reads and going through his progressions you can tell by watching his head and eyes. Before he was staring down recievers and just bombing it. I still like the fact that he loves going for the kill shot, but now he's learning to manage a game as well. Last year Staffard would have lost this game for Georgia IMO. He played stout against a tough SEC defense. He also has some serious wheels I didn't know about. Dude can fly for a QB. Either way you look at it I think Stafford and Bradford are the two best QB prospects since Cutler and Leinart.

CJSchneider
09-15-2008, 06:46 PM
CJS, you ask for a trade down in every mock on the forum. It is way too early to predict trades, sorry.


Yes, I have remained steady on my view that NO will trade down.
I don't change my mind as the mood suits. Until evidence otherwise presents itself, I'll likely keep that view. What is the point of making a prrediction(mock) if you don't make it as accurate as possible.
I'll tell ya what - you find me one NFL draft in the last 10 years that didnt have a trade in the 1st round.

Oh and yes you're wright it is easier to find a 3rd round QB to develope into a star than it is to find a 1st round QB who can be star :confused:

Why confused? debate this logic; "If I can't draft who I want - I'll draft who I can develop" If you read what I posted I said "I haven’t heard a lot of buzz from SF folks about Bradford, not that it is the deciding factor"
If you were paying attention, my post explains fan buzz does not solidify a draft pick.
As for the comment on the 3rd round pick;
Not a bad 3rd round pick, but I’d rather take on a QB I can develop and turn into a star. Im merely commenting, Id rather have a developmental QB at that pick as opposed to the DE in Egboh.

I hope this has helped you better understand my post as well as my position on this year's draft.

BeerBaron
09-15-2008, 07:00 PM
Hmm......Monroe is a great first pick for the Bears. More help on the o-line is crucial.

But in round 2, I would honestly rather see a OG get picked up by us. We need someone better than Beekman or Metcalf at LG. We do have some WR's we're busy 'developing' and adding just another 2nd rounder probably won't have much of an impact there while a starting LG certainly would.

and a QB in the 3rd is acceptable assuming KO keeps the offense under control a little bit for the rest of this year.

DE is a sleeper need for the Bears too. Ogunleye only has 1 more year on his contract while Brown and Anderson really aren't full time player material to start on both ends of our line...

Cribbs>Hester
09-15-2008, 07:06 PM
You can't just up and trade down whenever you want. You need a partner and a lot of times that doesn't happen. I'm sure a lot of teams would love to trade down every year that can't find a partner.

Like you said whocares what the fan buzz is about the draft. Sam Bradford is a #1 overall contender IMO and out of need slipped to #11. I'll stick with that pick thank you.

Alright I have an idea for next week thanks to you. I'm going to rank my players based on BPA and then see what teams need what and what teams are more likely to go Need or BPA and if something is possible I'll add anywhere from 4-7 trades. 7 is the first round record right?

Strawdog
09-15-2008, 07:14 PM
As an OU and KC fan, I really want Bradford. I'm not convinced he'll come out this year, but it's possible. I still am not sold on Stafford but I've only watched some of his work and I understand the pick.

On the flip side, I'm also down on Loadholt. He is a beast, but last year he made way too many costly penalties and at the worst possible times it seemed. He was the opposite of clutch and it worries me he seemed to do the same thing during the close portion of our game against Cincinnati. Still, he has a lot of potential and could be a great RT. But with Robiskie and Laurinaitis still on the board, I would prefer one of those. Of course, they haven't shown to be clutch either.

In the third round, I see Herman Johnson being the more likely pick if Herm is still around. He has said in the past that he looks for guys who played a lot and in big games. Johnson has played more than Mack, I believe, and in championship games. I think the coaches also really like Niswanger and he's young whereas Waters is getting up in years.

Overall, though, if KC had a draft like that, I'd be very excited with the potential of the team.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-15-2008, 07:21 PM
Overall I like Oaklands draft.But please give us BJ Raji in the 2nd.Our run D could use some help.

CJSchneider
09-15-2008, 07:25 PM
You can't just up and trade down whenever you want. You need a partner and a lot of times that doesn't happen. I'm sure a lot of teams would love to trade down every year that can't find a partner.

I guess I misunderstood your criticism. I'll admit it is early yet and at this point almost everything is speculation. But let's be honest, trades will be made, let's see how close we can hit the mark and predict those also.

Like you said whocares what the fan buzz is about the draft. Sam Bradford is a #1 overall contender IMO and out of need slipped to #11. I'll stick with that pick thank you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from Bradford. If that was the pick, I wouldn't be that shocked. It just seems his name his been left out of many SF conversations. Then again, I remember asking myself what SF was doing when they drafted Smith instead of Rodgers after his name had dropped out of conversations aswell.

skiinginNJ
09-15-2008, 07:52 PM
pretty nice giants draft, i dont know about 2 DE's in round 2 though



i love gresham, i like orakapo, but id replace shaughnessy with someone like Mack, Johnson, or Hamlin

party_animal
09-15-2008, 09:07 PM
horrible draft for the panthers. 2 safeties with our first 2 picks? we drafted a safety this past year and have him starting alongside chris harris, who we signed to an extension. the panthers need a lot of help along their defensive line. we'll go DT and DE as early as possible next year.

Joeyjr09
09-16-2008, 09:57 PM
I guess I misunderstood your criticism. I'll admit it is early yet and at this point almost everything is speculation. But let's be honest, trades will be made, let's see how close we can hit the mark and predict those also.


Dude it's almost impossible to predict trades even the day before the draft, much less 9 months in advance.

We don't even have a draft order, how are we supposed to predict trades.

At this point, mocks are just to get a feel for team needs, scheme fit of certain players, and value of players as they rise and fall but there's zero point to making a trade in a mock. It adds nothing to a mock especially since every team in the NFL looks to trade down.

CJSchneider
09-16-2008, 10:35 PM
Dude it's almost impossible to predict trades even the day before the draft, much less 9 months in advance.

Which makes it all that more fun when you can point back at a mock and say "I called that."


It adds nothing to a mock especially since every team in the NFL looks to trade down.

Falicy of logic - or else no one would ever trade up. I disagree and feel that by predicting a trade makes the mock more interesting and enjoyable to evaluate.

Bruce Banner
09-16-2008, 11:04 PM
Which makes it all that more fun when you can point back at a mock and say "I called that."




Falicy of logic - or else no one would ever trade up. I disagree and feel that by predicting a trade makes the mock more interesting and enjoyable to evaluate.

Why bother with them? They are giving you crap for predicting a trade months in advance when a mock does the same thing but instead of predicting one trade it predicts 32-X amount of picks.

Joeyjr09
09-16-2008, 11:08 PM
Which makes it all that more fun when you can point back at a mock and say "I called that."

Falicy of logic - or else no one would ever trade up. I disagree and feel that by predicting a trade makes the mock more interesting and enjoyable to evaluate.

Who's gonna remember in 9 months that they called a trade? Wait, let me rephrase that, Who's gonna care? Nobody. It's seriously like hitting the lotto. Nobody gives you credit for predicting any trade at this point. It's nothing more then blind luck.

Falicy of logic? Listen people try to trade up for guys that fall in drafts or to get a guy that they know wont get to them. This early into the process, we have no idea who will land where come draft day. Any of Bradford, Tebow, Stafford could emerge as the number 1 QB. Any of Crabtree, Heyward-Bey, Harvin, Maclin and others could emerge as the number 1 WR. Theres no way to know for sure yet. It's too early. Which means, why would you predict a trade to move up and get a certain player when at this point, most players are fairly bunched together in the ratings? With all the players bunched together, why give up more picks to move up for a Heyward-Bey when you can trade down and get a Crabtree? Come April, maybe that would seem like a good idea but right now it isn't. So there's zero reason to predict trades. There's just not enough information at this point to even bother.

Like I said, right now mocks are used just to gauge a player scheme fit, a teams need and a players general value. That's all.

Caddy
09-16-2008, 11:14 PM
Pretty solid Bucs draft.

WR is a must in the offseason and Heyward-Bey would be a great option in the first round. We also need to gain some more pass rush ability on the offensive line so look for that to be addressed somewhere. The CB pick is solid too, although OL, RB and QB could also be options.

CJSchneider
09-17-2008, 07:10 AM
Falicy of logic? Listen people try to trade up for guys that fall in drafts or to get a guy that they know wont get to them.

If someone is trading up, then not everyone is trading down -Yes, falicy of logic.


Like I said, right now mocks are used just to gauge a player scheme fit, a teams need and a players general value. That's all.

That's your opinion.

When I make a mock - when I evaluate a mock, I have two things I look at; is it accurate (to include trades) for the present and is it accurate (to include trades) for the future [how I envision the season and selection process panning out].

My opinion is that If I'm going to take the time to post a mock, I want it to be as accurate as possible 1)because in 9 months, I'm going to remember and hopefully learn and get better at making said predictions, and 2) the people who I'm doing a fair bit of the learning from, are those who read and evaluate what I post.

We know everything is speculation and things will end up different, but my opinion is: If i'm going to make a prediction, predict it dead on.
It's like that same lottery winner saying "I could try to get all 6 numbers but, hey the lottery isn't even here yet, let me just try to get 5."

T-RICH49
09-17-2008, 09:47 AM
LOVE all 3 KC picks

Sniper
09-17-2008, 11:09 AM
24. Tennessee 2-0 :: Derrick Williams WR Penn State

WHAT......THE......****.....?????????????????????? ?????

64. Dallas 2-0* :: Pat White WR West Virginia

WHAT......THE......****.....?????????????????????? ?????

vidae
09-17-2008, 01:42 PM
I really like the first two picks you gave KC. I'm not as high on the third pick because I really like Niswanger at C. He's extremely smart.

I think I'd prefer to go MLB in the 3rd. We desperately need MLB help.

T-RICH49
09-17-2008, 02:28 PM
I really like the first two picks you gave KC. I'm not as high on the third pick because I really like Niswanger at C. He's extremely smart.

I think I'd prefer to go MLB in the 3rd. We desperately need MLB help.

I'm souring a bit on Niswanger.he's really getting no push to help the run game

giantsfan
09-17-2008, 03:29 PM
No Terrance Taylor? I'd rather grab lineman in the first, and I could see us grabbing Orakpo in the second but not then following that with another DE. Think DT/OT for the gmen early, outside of that OLB and S are all explicable.

Finsfan79
09-17-2008, 05:38 PM
that is a nice dolphins draft, I would love to look at some playmakers on the offensive side but I believe we will continue to build from in outwards and use free agents to find a playmaker for the future.

TitanHope
09-17-2008, 06:30 PM
I'm fine with WR in the 1st RD, and I Derrick Williams is the type of WR that the Titans need, but Williams in the 1st is not a good value at this point. The Titans have shown that they'll pass on primary position needs for sub-needs in favor of talent. So even if Williams is the best WR, the team will look at positions like CB, MIKE, and DT for better value. I like Spikes or best available CB at that point than Williams, and maybe Williams is available in the 2nd. Though, if he continues to return well, I can see the Titans taking a return specialist in the 1st RD. Ever since PacMan's absence, there's been no one comparable.

I agree with VooDooMonkey. If we go DT in the first day, then it's cause Haynesworth is gone. And if he's gone, then DT is need numero uno.

Brooks Foster....why the hell do people give the Titans a WR in the 1st RD AND in the 3rd RD? Is Foster gonna start over Gage, Hawkins, Brandon Jones, and has the potential to get favor over Paul Williams? If we take a WR - any WR - it'll either be in the 1st RD who will be that "#1 WR" or it'll be a deepthreat/returner which is just as desperately needed. Of course, it would be ideal to get that #1 WR and a CB that can be the #2 CB and return. But for no reason are we gonna take two WR's in the first three rounds when we didn't even address the position until round 4 last year.

While this rant is directed at the mock maker, I've seen it many times. The knock on the suckitude of the Titans WR's are that they're a bunch of mid-round guys who don't have the talent to make a DEF timid. So how does adding another mid-round WR solve the equation? Especially after finally addressing the position in RD 1?

BaLLiN
09-17-2008, 07:31 PM
30. New YorkG 2-0 :: Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
_______33. Kansas City 0-2 :: Phil Loadholt RT Oklahoma
WHY: McKenzie is old, and on the decline. Guy Whimper is not an RT thats for sure. Loadholt, struggling at LT, would make a very good RT for us and replace McKenzie within the year. TE is a need, but definitely not enough to go 1st with this lack of talent.

50. New YorkG(New Orleans) 1-1 :: Brian Orakopo DE Texas
_______51. Tampa Bay 1-1 :: Alex Magee DT/DE Purdue
_______59. Pittsburgh 2-0 :: Evander Hood DT/DE Missouri
WHY: After loosing Osi and Strahan and not having a great rotation with our scheme we know we're in a tough situation. I dont know much about any of these guys but we could go any way with this, a more rounded DE or a pure passrusher.


62. New YorkG 2-0 :: Matt Shaughnessy DE Wisconson
_______66. St. Louis :: DeAngelo Smith CB Cincinatti
_______68. Miami :: Terrance Tyler NT Michigan
WHY: we don't need two DE's, we have Osi, Tuck, and Kiwi, and Wynn is decent, and don't forget all of our rookie DE's that may develop into the rotation. We definitely need a Run stuffer in the middle, someone to occupy multiple blockers while the rest of our DT's pass rush. CB is also another option because we'll probably lose Madison and RW, possibly Webster too who is in the last year of his contract.


94. New YorkG :: Jonathan Casillas OLB Wisconson
WHY: we drafted two LBs last year, and have drafted one every year for three years straight before that, we have enough depth, and we don't need a starter. Look at CB, DT, DE, RB, OT if not already addressed


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BigJohn98
09-17-2008, 07:53 PM
That is a horrible Jags draft.

Bengalsrocket
09-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Have no idea why the Bengals would draft two DT's back to back in the 1st and 2nd round when we just signed Peko to an extension this off-season.

Edit: oh yah, and we drafted 2 DT's last year that we like atm :P

21ST
09-18-2008, 10:48 AM
Love the redskins pick, cb is probably our biggest need

Dam8610
09-19-2008, 12:07 AM
Granger is out for the year, so I doubt the Colts would draft him, especially that high. For needs, if Granger is a UT, you have the need down, but I'd rather see a OT than a MLB and RB. UT is definitely #1, with OT and maybe CB following.

Cribbs>Hester
09-19-2008, 12:17 AM
Granger is out for the year, so I doubt the Colts would draft him, especially that high. For needs, if Granger is a UT, you have the need down, but I'd rather see a OT than a MLB and RB. UT is definitely #1, with OT and maybe CB following.


Granger wasn't out for the year until after I made the draft, so obviously next time around it'll change.

Dam8610
09-19-2008, 12:30 AM
Granger wasn't out for the year until after I made the draft, so obviously next time around it'll change.

Okay, I wasn't sure on that.

don5252
09-23-2008, 04:55 PM
Plus, we really dont need another lineman (besides center)
Peters at LT
Dockery at LG
C = ?
Butler at RG (who we just resigned to a long-term contract)
Walker at RT

I too would rather go with a TE in the 2nd.

I agree. I love the pick of Curry because Crowell is good as gone. But if the Bills were going OL early it would be for a center.

bored of education
09-23-2008, 09:48 PM
I spent all game watching Stafford, Moreno(love this guy) and Brinkley. Matthew Staffard is not the same QB he was last year. He is making reads and going through his progressions you can tell by watching his head and eyes. Before he was staring down recievers and just bombing it. I still like the fact that he loves going for the kill shot, but now he's learning to manage a game as well. Last year Staffard would have lost this game for Georgia IMO. He played stout against a tough SEC defense. He also has some serious wheels I didn't know about. Dude can fly for a QB. Either way you look at it I think Stafford and Bradford are the two best QB prospects since Cutler and Leinart.


Oh, ok thanks for the explaination. I appreciate it.

scottyboy
09-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Granger is out for the year, so I doubt the Colts would draft him, especially that high. For needs, if Granger is a UT, you have the need down, but I'd rather see a OT than a MLB and RB. UT is definitely #1, with OT and maybe CB following.

you have 0 need for a UT you silly goose.

You have FOSTER!

P-L
09-26-2008, 12:03 PM
I love Vontae Davis, but I just don't see him being the pick. When you have the holes we have on the offensive line, defensive line, and at quarterback I don't think corner back should be a position you use a top 3 pick on.