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BengalMedic
09-16-2008, 10:20 AM
This is the poll on the Bengals.com website and thought I would ask what you guys think...

What would be most important to the Bengals stealing a win at New York?

#1. Get pressure on Manning
#2. Give Carson time to throw
#3. Reduce the three-and-outs
#4. Get big games from Chad and T.J.
#5. Keep Jacobs contained

I think there is more than one right answer here. We HAVE to get pressure on Manning. If we don't, the others won't matter much. Carson most DEFINITIVELY needs time to throw or we lose again. We need to sustain drives and reduce 3 and outs to not only put scoring drives together, but to keep our young defense off the field and fresh. Chad and TJ have got to figure out a way to get open and let Carson see them, but this also hinges on protection. Jacobs in my opinion is better than any RB we have seen and they can't let him shake loose. I have a bad feeling about Jacobs running over guys this Sunday.

Bottomline is, the Bengals are going to have to put together the perfect game plan and be able to execute without many mistakes to beat the Giants on their home turf. We will have to be able to make in game adjustments and be VERY conscious of the pass rush the Giants defense is SURE to bring.

That being said:
Giants 42
Bengals 7

PalmerToCJ
09-16-2008, 10:50 AM
That being said:
Giants 42
Bengals 7

LOL I skipped everything else and I just saw this and started laughing.

Tuck and Kiwanuka will get to know Carson well. I honestly would say if it was just about any other team (that couldn't bring the heat as well) that this could be the game things get turned around.

I don't see it happening. We're going to get smoked because Carson won't get a second to throw. I'm honestly just going to be watching this game for the defense. Ugh, I normally have to beg to get off work but I don't even think I'm going to worry about it.

PalmerToCJ
09-16-2008, 10:51 AM
Week 3 vs. the SB champs. I wish them luck, things aren't exactly looking up.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-16-2008, 11:20 AM
Dont say that.. Any given sunday anything can happen. Football is about matchups and it depends on the gameplans for both teams.

PalmerToCJ
09-16-2008, 12:13 PM
Dont say that.. Any given sunday anything can happen. Football is about matchups and it depends on the gameplans for both teams.

Well, given how our defense has been playing well I would be saying we have a shot. It's just a matter of time until our offense comes back together, to a certain degree anyway. However, your pass rush is going to slaughter us which means the defense has to live on the field again and Bradshaw/Jacobs will kill us in the second half.

If they can find a way to keep Carson protected, we've got a decent chance. That 'if' is a MASSIVE if though so I'm definitely expecting the worst.

BengalMedic
09-16-2008, 01:08 PM
Dont say that.. Any given sunday anything can happen. Football is about matchups and it depends on the gameplans for both teams.

"Any Given Sunday" only applies when a team wants to give a f*ck and right now, they don't appear to... I will say this though:

If this offense can find a way to put things together and regain their timing things could turn the corner. The running game needs to come to life as well. While I am NO WHERE NEAR saying this is a playoff team, they do have a chance to figure things out as they go. If the offense does get it together, the defense would look much much better as well.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-16-2008, 02:26 PM
I heard your two safties are out for the game, and that Joseph CB is out. Is that right?

PalmerToCJ
09-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Dexter Jackson is out but in my opinion and a lot of others Chinedum Ndukwe gives us a lot more, just lacks experience. I'd much rather have Chinny in there and to my knowledge Marvin White is fine. Joseph is listed as probable with a hamstring but Marvin Lewis said something about an ankle injury.. I sure hope he plays, David Jones will be toast by the end of that game.

themaninblack
09-16-2008, 08:37 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and call the upset right now.

No reason why, just a feeling.

BengalMedic
09-17-2008, 06:57 AM
This game has all the makings of an upset and the Giants should actually be thinking about things and not overlooking the Bengals. Seriously, the Giants are coming off as SB champs, starting the season 2-0, going up against a sh*tty team, and could get a little overconfident. I'm not even kidding about this either.

One of these games, the offense is going to click and when it does, the defense is not going to be on the field as long and I think we will see more of their progression.

I will once again be in front of the TV cheering them on...

PalmerToCJ
09-17-2008, 03:23 PM
I admire your confidence fellas, it's very welcome.

I can't bring myself to have the slightest amount of hope. I would love to be made to look like a fool. It's mostly that I think their pass rush is just going to kill us. I'm actually fairly confident in our defense to this point.

I will be watching, just not sure if it will be with my buddies or at work. I hate watching them at work but I also wish I would've worked after we get destroyed lol.

BengalMedic
09-18-2008, 06:21 AM
For as disgusted as I am at the current situation, I will always hold out hope. I have gotten over first two weeks and am looking forward hoping that this is the game our offense finally gets things together and looks in sync. None of that means they are going to win the game, but I will be hoping and cheering for it just the same !!!

PalmerToCJ
09-19-2008, 01:53 PM
Joseph and Utecht listed as doubtful, ouch!

twizbuck
09-19-2008, 02:38 PM
Palmer may die Sunday... their D-line is going to destroy our O-line.

hobbes2053
09-19-2008, 03:19 PM
I, just like everyone else, is hoping for the best going into this game, as bleak as it might be. Yes, their DL is going to poop on our OL and Carson's jersey will not be clean if the OL doesn't get their sh*t together. I'm pulling for another decently strong performance by the defense. I want to see if we can contain the Giants offense.

PalmerToCJ
09-19-2008, 10:54 PM
Well, I'm working Sunday. I managed to get the first two weeks off and a couple of the next string of Sunday's but I decided to not beg off for this one. I figure if they're going to get destroyed, I might as well be watching it at work (I take a TV, small and black/white but hey, I'll take what I can get).

For whatever reason I'm somewhat optimistic that we could pull it off, not to say I'm expecting it in any way but who knows what to expect out of this team.

themaninblack
09-20-2008, 03:53 AM
The Giants Dline(BTW) has been and always will be overrated. If we get **** on by this figment of what they essentially "were" ill be pissed. Our OL is VERY good but with a HORRIBLE Center everyone looks bad.

twizbuck
09-20-2008, 12:47 PM
The Giants Dline(BTW) has been and always will be overrated. If we get **** on by this figment of what they essentially "were" ill be pissed. Our OL is VERY good but with a HORRIBLE Center everyone looks bad.

Explain this overrated theory of yours...

And the whole "our O-line is good" thing...

themaninblack
09-20-2008, 02:02 PM
we have four good olineman on this team but when your center cant do anything it makes the whole line look bad. he not only has a problem physically blocking but apparently he is terrible at making the calls. hard to accomplish much when that is the case. Jones, Whitworth, Williams, and Andrews are quality players. Ghiaciuc is the worst starting C in the NFL.

ESPN is all over the Giants defensive line's nuts ever since the Super Bowl. They lost Osi and a future HOFer in Strahan. Kiwanuka is inexperienced but they do have Tuck. They act like that DL was the second coming of the Steel Curtain or something. That is why they are overrated. Not because they are not good but because they are so hyped up even now when they are a figment of what they were in the Super Bowl.

hobbes2053
09-21-2008, 12:59 AM
The Giants Dline(BTW) has been and always will be overrated. If we get **** on by this figment of what they essentially "were" ill be pissed. Our OL is VERY good but with a HORRIBLE Center everyone looks bad.

YES. We have a quality OL with the exception of Ghiaciuc. If we had a decent C, the OL would do wonders, but he brings the whole line, and therefore the entire offense down.

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 01:05 PM
They are doing pretty well against them up front save when they brought the house a few times. The Run game is lookin real good right now.

Defense has held up somewhat with a banged up secondary but we need to bring some more pressure. 3-4 rushers is not going to work against this OL.

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 01:08 PM
We got pretty lucky that the Giants didn't challenge that incomplete to Burress in the endzone cause it rly looked like he got it.

hobbes2053
09-21-2008, 01:38 PM
I am impressed with the defense thus far. They're not getting worn out because the offense is actually staying on the field and producing as opposed to going 3 and out every series. My optimism remains.

Bengals78
09-21-2008, 01:42 PM
The only thing I want from our D is sacks. Still no sacks. But other than that the D is solid. We have this D in 05 and then its a whole new ball game

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 01:47 PM
We aren't getting sacks mainly due to the fact that we aren't blitzing very much. This is a very good OL for the G-Men and we are going to need to blitz/stunt to get some pressure.

I said this before and although the stats wouldn't agree with me our OL is looking pretty good thus far in both the run and pass game. Levi Jones just pisses me off though. Liking what I'm seeing from Chris Perry and Antonio Chatman is even looking good.

Jeanty is getting some good licks on Brandon Jacobs today as well. He is REALLY a good thumper.

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 02:20 PM
Apparently we don't know what a screen is however. How can we let them blitz 6 or 7 and not pick them apart with the short passing game?

hobbes2053
09-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Apparently we don't know what a screen is however. How can we let them blitz 6 or 7 and not pick them apart with the short passing game?

Bob Bratkowski is mentally ret*rded. Thats why. Although I did like the flea flicker play. We need to be doing more tricky things like that instead of the same, old humdrum obvious plays. Our offensive play calling is very predictable.

Where is Keith Rivers??

Bengalsrocket
09-21-2008, 03:30 PM
Bob Bratkowski is mentally ret*rded. Thats why. Although I did like the flea flicker play. We need to be doing more tricky things like that instead of the same, old humdrum obvious plays. Our offensive play calling is very predictable.

Where is Keith Rivers??

I think we can give Bratkowski a small break right now after this game. Its a major turn around from the previous two games. Seeing Carson Palmer on his back that much was terrible, but seeing him actually connect with his receivers was awesome.

I look forward to a brighter future, lets pray this isn't false hope though.

PalmerToCJ
09-21-2008, 03:50 PM
Apparently we don't know what a screen is however. How can we let them blitz 6 or 7 and not pick them apart with the short passing game?

EXACTLY! Peyton lives off that stuff. That's how you keep them back.

I wasn't too bothered with his play calling until that last offensive drive... Two handoffs in a row to Perry, seriously? Carson just sat there and picked apart their defense and you hand it off for two small gains? Carson/CJ/TJ are getting paid the money to make plays, not Perry. Perry is fine, it's just why use him there?

David Jones played surprisingly well. Hall and Geathers had a great game. The defense is enough for us to win, I just wish they could stop those big gains. It's like RB's hardly ever get to our second level anymore but when they do they get 10+.

Our secondary still can't cover for days, kinda like any secondary. Pass rush is still our biggest flaw but it's getting better. I'm still happy with the D, the offense came back around to what I expected. The guys played well but as always, could've played better.

On a side, I wish they would've just gone for it with 4 seconds left. Not sure why with 20 seconds left they didn't just call the TO and pick at the sidelines/go for the endzone.

Bengalsrocket
09-21-2008, 04:12 PM
EXACTLY! Peyton lives off that stuff. That's how you keep them back.

I wasn't too bothered with his play calling until that last offensive drive... Two handoffs in a row to Perry, seriously? Carson just sat there and picked apart their defense and you hand it off for two small gains? Carson/CJ/TJ are getting paid the money to make plays, not Perry. Perry is fine, it's just why use him there?

David Jones played surprisingly well. Hall and Geathers had a great game. The defense is enough for us to win, I just wish they could stop those big gains. It's like RB's hardly ever get to our second level anymore but when they do they get 10+.

Our secondary still can't cover for days, kinda like any secondary. Pass rush is still our biggest flaw but it's getting better. I'm still happy with the D, the offense came back around to what I expected. The guys played well but as always, could've played better.

On a side, I wish they would've just gone for it with 4 seconds left. Not sure why with 20 seconds left they didn't just call the TO and pick at the sidelines/go for the endzone.

Agreed with everything you said. Also, I think our pass rush will get better - Odom missed a lot of preseason / training camp time and he's got to get back into the swing of things it seems. And Geathers looks good as always, lets hope he can turn more hurries into sacks in the future though.

Bengals78
09-21-2008, 05:05 PM
I have a feeling that if JJ was in we might have won. Less big plays like the ones at the end to Toomer and Plax

PalmerToCJ
09-21-2008, 06:01 PM
I have a feeling that if JJ was in we might have won. Less big plays like the ones at the end to Toomer and Plax

Possibly, Jones did well though... I gotta give the guy credit I thought he would be destroyed. JJ is a better tackler for sure, that's what Jones suffered with the most.

hobbes2053
09-21-2008, 07:22 PM
Leon Hall had a helluva game covering Plax. That was the best I've seen him play for us to date. Agreed that if JJ was healthy we probably would have won but I won't knock David Jones entirely. He did hold his own (except for the tackling) and for the most part didn't let anything big go past him. I keep getting more and more excited about the defense as it seems to be coming together quite nicely. But one question: WHERE WAS KEITH RIVERS? I didn't hear his name at all and barely saw him. Other than that, I was impressed by the defensive intensity, but I would like to see some more pressure on the QB.

I gotta agree with you PtoCJ with the questionable calls on that last drive. Why wouldn't they keep going with what was working? The passing game got more and more effective and then when it counts, Bratkow strays from it..? Why??

PalmerToCJ
09-21-2008, 07:57 PM
I mean honestly, I never act like I know it all because I don't... But some of his play calls are just so ridiculous. Perry gets about 1-2 yards on the first carry and you run it again? Give Carson two shots, I have little doubt he can get at least 10 yards given the rhythm he had going on.

They're back, just waaaay too much ground to make up. We MUST win next week, sweep the Steelers (next to impossible for us) and get Baltimore at PBS. Then we've got a shot but that's a whole lotta if's and but's.

I still pretty much expect the winner of the division to be 9-7. There's a good reason for optimism. We'll see what Chris Perry is made of next week and what kind of roll the offense can get on.

hobbes2053
09-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Youre exactly right. If the passing game is working.. stick with it! There's not need to go to the run (on 2 consecutive plays no less) just to be safe. Overtime is not the time to be safe. You have to SCORE, above all else, and you're only going to do that if you stay with what's working. I just don't get it..

Sweet sig btw

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 10:20 PM
I didn't really get to see the end cuz I had to go to work but thoughts from what I saw:

The D was pretty impressive overall even the secondary which was surprising considering the best player in that unit JJ was out. David Jones and Simeon Castille were alright considering. Leon Hall was the big standout today though. The guy may not have crazy athletic ability like JJ does be he is really a technician out there. Geathers was pretty solid out there even though he didn't get a sack from what I saw. Liked the way we stuffed the run for the most part. It was also very refreshing to see Ndukwe out there. He is really a playmaker.

Offensively, we took some big steps today even though we gave up 6 sacks(though it doesn't bother me too much). The running game looked like it really is progressing and even ERIC GUYCHICK looked pretty good out there today. Ya, I said it. I liked the way Chris ran the ball for the most part. Carson looked like he's supposed to look and made some very nice clutch throws. I think I saw maybe 2-3 throws that were bad. You could really tell how much we miss Jeremi Johnson today though. Those fullbacks were pretty worthless out there. TJ looked like his old self making the tough catches when we needed them. Overall, we made some big steps like I said earlier. We're not quite where we need to be but it was encouraging to see some progress. I'm not normally one to accept failure but today I did like what I saw from both sides of the ball.

Here's to a win next week!

EDIT: I really would have liked to have seen them go for it when we had the ball that close in the fourth quarter. Can't blame the call but personally I woulda taken a shot there. They really didn't manage the clock very well.

PalmerToCJ
09-21-2008, 10:29 PM
EDIT: I really would have liked to have seen them go for it when we had the ball that close in the fourth quarter. Can't blame the call but personally I woulda taken a shot there. They really didn't manage the clock very well.

I was wanting them to go for it but in the same breath I wasn't mad that they didn't. If they went for it and failed, it would've been fine with me. The offense was on a roll, I didn't have a problem with it.

Chinny >>>>>>>>>>>>> DJax

Gotta give Marvin credit on taking Chinny and White, they're two solid young players. We've got quite the talented young secondary that's actually producing results.

themaninblack
09-21-2008, 10:48 PM
Gotta give him credit on letting O'Neal go like that too with two unproven young players in the wings. Castille and to a bigger extent Jones looked good today. Hard to let go a former Pro Bowler for such young guys like that.

I like DJax and his veteran presence with all those young guys but at some point you gotta let Chinny get most of the reps. I think during the last game the announcers said in their meetings with the coaches they told them they think Chinny will be an All Pro some day. Maybe a little much to say right now but the kid just makes plays.

PalmerToCJ
09-21-2008, 11:33 PM
I agree with them man... You NEVER see DJax involved in any of the plays yet Chinny is always in the middle of the action. Same for White (unlike Madieu in the end). I'm sure Chinny is making mistakes we can't notice within the defense but he's also making plays. They've gotta be one of the hardest hitting saftey duos in the league (not that that's worth anything technically).

I would love for this to turn into a defensive minded team but given our current setup and the offense I don't see that happening.

hobbes2053
09-22-2008, 12:22 AM
I agree with them man... You NEVER see DJax involved in any of the plays yet Chinny is always in the middle of the action. Same for White (unlike Madieu in the end). I'm sure Chinny is making mistakes we can't notice within the defense but he's also making plays. They've gotta be one of the hardest hitting saftey duos in the league (not that that's worth anything technically).

I would love for this to turn into a defensive minded team but given our current setup and the offense I don't see that happening.

White and Chinny (esp.) always seem to be there at the end of plays, and its a great thing. It means they both have high motors and fly around, which is exactly what this young defense needs.

I couldn't agree more. I too would love to see the team's focus switch over to defense, a defense that could someday be near the top in the league if handled correctly. Though it may not be the case, it sure would be nice. It would take a load of pressure off the offense and would make us an all around better, more respectable team.

BengalMedic
09-22-2008, 07:49 AM
Much better play from the team today. How the hell those last 30 seconds of regulation was mismanaged is BEYOND me !!! That is where solid teams win games.

The stupid f*cking 3rd and longs for a first down HAS GOT TO STOP !!! I thought Coach Zimmer was going to come unglued on the sideline during (I think) the 3rd quarter when a screen went for a long gain and a 1st down. I saw him on TV just sling the living sh*t out of his clipboard and about lose his mind. I loved seeing the coach get fired the f*ck up when his unit makes a bonehead play.

The defense was biting on a ton of play action, but think they did pretty well. One of the most glaring plays by Jones was a 3rd and long interference call that he just hit the receiver stupidly. Dumb play on his part.

Overall, I was happy to see them appear to be motivated and really think they should have had that game. This is not as bad an 0-3 team as some might think, but they are going to have to prove it with the schedule they face coming up...

hobbes2053
09-22-2008, 08:51 AM
Gotta agree with your last point there Medic. We absolutely MUST win next week. A win over the Brownies might give us yet another confidence boost which will be much needed if we are going to come close to breaking .500. If we lose to Cleveland, I will have have lost all faith. Win or stop playing.

BengalMedic
09-22-2008, 09:13 AM
Well, let's look at this...

With games left with Dallas, Philadelphia, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh (twice), Indianapolis and Washington, not to mention another one with the Ravens and two more with the Browns, it could look ugly...

That being said, if the team continues to improve and brings the type of effort they did yesterday in the coming weeks, we may be pleasantly suprised...

themaninblack
09-22-2008, 09:21 AM
We own Cleveland at home. I expect a win by 2+ scores. If not, this team would have taken a step back.

hobbes2053
09-22-2008, 09:43 AM
If we continue to take steps in the right direction, as we've been doing since week 1, we might have a legitimate shot. That being said, we must continue to improve on all 3 sides of the ball. It looks like Carson is finding a rhythm of some kind and the run game seems to be developing nicely. We've gotta keep taking those steps in the right direction. If only Bratkow could call a decently cerebral game, it might all fall into place.

PalmerToCJ
09-22-2008, 03:30 PM
I'm trying to not get too optimistic (for being 0-3 that is) but we still have 5 games in the division left. If we beat the Steelers twice (slim chance but hey, who knows) we would have a shot. If we lose next week our season is over already.

Cleveland has looked worse than us though so I'm actually expecting a win. Plus it's nice to get out of this run of solid defenses.

scottyboy
09-22-2008, 03:35 PM
The Giants Dline(BTW) has been and always will be overrated. If we get **** on by this figment of what they essentially "were" ill be pissed. Our OL is VERY good but with a HORRIBLE Center everyone looks bad.

are you ******* kidding me? how in the bloody hell were we overrated? Were as in last year? How was the unit that won us the Super Bowl overrated?

And nobody is over rating our DL now with Stray gone and Osi out, nobody. Losing your 2 best pass rushers hurts obviously. And guess what? We still got 6 sacks. you can go away now.

but to everyone else, great game. A bit too scary for my liking. Hall is a good physical CB. Not the fastest guy, but his press coverage and physicality on Plax was quite impressive. TJ is an excellent WR and picked apart James ************* Butler over the middle quite a few times.

themaninblack
09-22-2008, 05:41 PM
are you ******* kidding me? how in the bloody hell were we overrated? Were as in last year? How was the unit that won us the Super Bowl overrated?

And nobody is over rating our DL now with Stray gone and Osi out, nobody. Losing your 2 best pass rushers hurts obviously. And guess what? We still got 6 sacks. you can go away now.

but to everyone else, great game. A bit too scary for my liking. Hall is a good physical CB. Not the fastest guy, but his press coverage and physicality on Plax was quite impressive. TJ is an excellent WR and picked apart James ************* Butler over the middle quite a few times.

I meant ever since Strahan left(and even moreso since Osi got hurt) that line is not the same. Even as good as they were in the Super Bowl I still think they were just put on a level that is ridiculous. I also don't think your DT's are all that great. Our OL has been bad but that was probably the best game they've played thus far. I would attribute about half of those sacks to the OL actually being beaten and the rest to the ineptitude of our OC and somewhat to Carson's unbelievable ability to not get rid of the football.

Out of the 3 DLs we have played I'd rank the Giants second or third at this point. But then again they are all top 10 units in the league.

But way to take it personally. Good game.