Heisman Watch Thread

[jnew76]

Through three weeks of the season there are some players that are making an early case for the Heisman Trophy. Wanted to discus who you think warrants consideration to be taking the honors at the Downtown Athletic Club.

If there is a glaring omission, let me know and I will alter the poll.

[TouchdownUSC]

Sanchez. if USC goes to the national championship I think he'll win it. Chase Daniel is my second pick.

[jnew76]

Sanchez. if USC goes to the national championship I think he'll win it. Chase Daniel is my second pick.

2 Homer picks so far, and I think you have a case for Sanchez... He has the inside track if USC goes undefeated and he plays well...

If Missouri and Oklahoma play in the Big XII championship game both undefeated (a big if), I think it might determine the Heisman... I think USC is #1 with or without Sanchez right now... and the reason I voted for Daniel is that I think Missouri is not in the National Title discussion without Daniel.

Interesting stat - In the last 2 games C. Daniel has More TD's - 7 than Incompletions - 6... That is sick.

[wicket]

couldnt the same thi8ng be said for bradford, the guy is having a sick season again and oklahoma are legit contenders. My pick thusfar is max hall jsut because he is the best player thusfar this season, he has the biggest influence on his team imo. And damn that game against ucla he was a recordbreaker. Damn 4 tds in 5 minutes playing time, to awesome.

[KCJ58]

the 5 in New York:

Mark Sanchez, Chase Daniel, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Knowshon Moreno

[YAYareaRB]

BYU is going BCS party crashing behind the arm of Max Hall.

[Babylon]

the 5 in New York:

Mark Sanchez, Chase Daniel, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Knowshon Moreno

Isnt it 4 in New York? i cant argue with that list. Cant see how Daniel isnt the favorite, guys like Moreno and Sanchez are going to have to share numbers with other top players on their team.

[BRAVEHEART]

I'mma be a homer and select Sanchez.

[Jericho@SC]

None of those guys have done anything against a real defense except for Sanchez. So I'm gonna have to go w/ the USC QB.

[dabears10]

None of those guys have done anything against a real defense except for Sanchez. So I'm gonna have to go w/ the USC QB.

I know they are not the best defense but Chase Daniel did play Illinois.

[iowatreat54]

I know they are not the best defense but Chase Daniel did play Illinois.

and while USC did crush OSU, Sanchez only had 147 yards...yes, he had 4 TDs, but if you look at how dominant the USC offense was as a whole vs. OSU, you would think Sanchez would have thrown for more yards

I voted Daniel, and I also think that if Mizzou-Oklahoma meet undefeated in the Big 12 Champ., the winner could be the winning QB depending on numbers, most likely if Mizzou wins, Daniels wins

[Solomon]

I know it's only two games into the season and Texas wasn't expected by most publications to be a top 5 team going into this year but so far Colt McCoy has shown that he might be a factor in the Heisman race. If he could come up big against Oklahoma, continue playing the way he has and get Texas an impressive record along the way he might make waves as a Heisman canidate.

[Turtlepower]

Chase Daniel is more of a system QB than Colt Brennan. Give it to Knowshon because he is just that good.

[dabears10]

Chase Daniel is more of a system QB than Colt Brennan. Give it to Knowshon because he is just that good.

I don't get this critique for a Heisman Trophy. No one said he has to be a pro prospect to win the Heisman. He just needs to make plays and Chase Daniel does that.

[wicket]

the ucla defense was awesome against the vols and got picked apart by hall, they really got raped bigtime

[princefielder28]

Sam Bradford is putting up sick numbers and he has actually faced some tougher competition than others on that list. 79% completion percentage and 12 TDs...WOW!

[abaddon41_80]

1. Sam Bradford
1a. Chase Daniel
3. Knowshon Moreno
4. Max Hall
5. Mark Sanchez

Then, in no particular order, Michael Crabtre, Jeremy Maclin, Tim Tebow, and Matt Grothe,

[Babylon]

Sam Bradford is putting up sick numbers and he has actually faced some tougher competition than others on that list. 79% completion percentage and 12 TDs...WOW!


Chatanooga, Cinci and Washington are tougher competition...... than what?

[princefielder28]

Chatanooga, Cinci and Washington are tougher competition...... than what?

Cincinnati is a Top 25 caliber team and Washington on the road is no small feat, just look at what happened to BYU, and Bradford played unbelieveable in those contests

[eazyb81]

I don't get this critique for a Heisman Trophy. No one said he has to be a pro prospect to win the Heisman. He just needs to make plays and Chase Daniel does that.

Considering that the large majority of Heisman winners are not good pro prospects and/or suck ass in the pros, turtle's point makes absolutely no sense.

That said, in most cases, the Heisman goes to the best player on the best team, instead of just the best player overall. So while I think Chase Daniel fits the bill as the best player right now, I'm not convinced Mizzou will beat OU and USC to win it all. Thus, Bradford or Sanchez are probably more realistic.

[Turtlepower]

Considering that the large majority of Heisman winners are not good pro prospects and/or suck ass in the pros, turtle's point makes absolutely no sense.

That said, in most cases, the Heisman goes to the best player on the best team, instead of just the best player overall. So while I think Chase Daniel fits the bill as the best player right now, I'm not convinced Mizzou will beat OU and USC to win it all. Thus, Bradford or Sanchez are probably more realistic.

I'm sorry that I think that the Heisman trophy should mean a little bit more than the QB on one of the top teams in college.

[dabears10]

Considering that the large majority of Heisman winners are not good pro prospects and/or suck ass in the pros, turtle's point makes absolutely no sense.

That said, in most cases, the Heisman goes to the best player on the best team, instead of just the best player overall. So while I think Chase Daniel fits the bill as the best player right now, I'm not convinced Mizzou will beat OU and USC to win it all. Thus, Bradford or Sanchez are probably more realistic.

That is probably true and I would agree with that. But Heisman goes before the Bowls so there is a chance that Mizzou is able to beat OU, not very likely, but possible. Also, I think right now I would say that Maclin deserves it over Daniel.

[619]

and while USC did crush OSU, Sanchez only had 147 yards...yes, he had 4 TDs, but if you look at how dominant the USC offense was as a whole vs. OSU, you would think Sanchez would have thrown for more yards

I voted Daniel, and I also think that if Mizzou-Oklahoma meet undefeated in the Big 12 Champ., the winner could be the winning QB depending on numbers, most likely if Mizzou wins, Daniels wins

Well, when you get off to such a big lead so early on it is to be expected that he isn't going to post up your ideal passing numbers. What's more important is the fact he remained efficient throughout the majority of the game and he was still able to throw for 4 TDs.

It's really only a three-man race between Sanchez, Daniel and Bradford. I like Sanchez's chances though if SC gets into the NC. IF not you're right the winning QB in the Big 12 Championship (Mizzou/Oklahoma?) will be the outright Heisman favorite.

[kmartin575]

Cincinnati is a Top 25 caliber team and Washington on the road is no small feat, just look at what happened to BYU, and Bradford played unbelieveable in those contests

Illinois IS a top 25 team. 'nuff said.

[Brent]

BYU is going BCS party crashing behind the arm of Max Hall.
I wouldn't be surprised if Utah beats them.

[cdub11]

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/05/20/94/image_7494205.jpg

[CashmoneyDrew]

Tim Tebow really shouldn't be an option on the list yet. His stats absolutely pale in comparison to all the others on that list.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Bryce Brown deserves the Heisman out of pure respect for the whoopass he will open up next year.

[holt_bruce81]

Right now it's between Mark Sanchez and Chase Daniel.

[Cribbs>Hester]

Todd Boeckman is clearly the front runner.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

What my list would be for the Early season

1) Chase Daniel
2) Matt Grothe
3) Jeremy Maclin
4) Donald Brown
5) Evan Royster

[holt_bruce81]

1. Chase Daniel
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Knowshon Moreno
4. Sam Bradford
5. Max Hall

[P-L]

Mark Sanchez in my opinion, but I'd put Bradford and Daniel not too far behind. Sanchez is the quarterback for the #1 team in the nation has very good stats, and just put up 4 TD's on the #5 team.

[Scott Wright]

Hey,

Just updated the Heisman Watch.

You can check it out via the main page:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/

[holt_bruce81]

Where would you rank Jeremy Maclin on your Heisman watch? is he somewhere between 6-10?

I dont really know about Tebow ahead of Sanchez and Bradford.

[SuperKevin]

Can't really argue with the 5 guys you have on there right now. I still feel USC bias will lead to Sanchez winning the Heisman.

[georgiafan]

Not sure if I would be Beanie Wells that high on the list.

[Turtlepower]

I think I'm jumping on the Max Hall bandwagon. Chase Daniel put up great numbers on a Nevada team that lost its best defensive player last year. UCLA might have lost a lot of its defense last year, but they still have one of the best defensive coordinators in college. Max Hall is a stud!

[Sniper]

Beanie Wells still has a shot? I would think after not playing against SC, his odds would be out the window.

[YAYareaRB]

I wouldn't be surprised if Utah beats them.

I wouldn't be surprised either. That's MY Game of the year because it's been so close these past couple years.

[Fogartynyy2789]

Beanie Wells is out of it unless he averages 200 yards per game and 3 TDs going to the Bowl Games. Chase Daniel's performance against a quality Illinois defense makes him the front runner for now, but I think if Oklahoma goes undefeated in the Big 12, Bradford deserves it.

Dark horses- Javon Ringer, Evan Royster and Max Hall.

[Sniper]

Beanie Wells is out of it unless he averages 200 yards per game and 3 TDs going to the Bowl Games. Chase Daniel's performance against a quality Illinois defense makes him the front runner for now, but I think if Oklahoma goes undefeated in the Big 12, Bradford deserves it.

Dark horses- Javon Ringer, Evan Royster and Max Hall.

How about waiting until Evan Royster plays a team that is aware on how to play the game of football? Just a thought.

[Fogartynyy2789]

How about waiting until Evan Royster plays a team that is aware on how to play the game of football? Just a thought.


Yea I'll admit, that's a big time homer pick right now, I think Royster is going to surprise a lot of people behind a great offensive line.

[Sniper]

Yea I'll admit, that's a big time homer pick right now, I think Royster is going to surprise a lot of people behind a great offensive line.

Not saying he's not good, but wins vs. a team without a single top 25 vote in the FCS top 25, a crappy Pac-10 team, Syracuse (goes without explanation) and Temple (see Syracuse) doesn't do much for me. He's a good back, but let's see how he does against the defenses of Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan (offense sucks, defense is pretty decent) etc...

[Fogartynyy2789]

Not saying he's not good, but wins vs. a team without a single top 25 vote in the FCS top 25, a crappy Pac-10 team, Syracuse (goes without explanation) and Temple (see Syracuse) doesn't do much for me. He's a good back, but let's see how he does against the defenses of Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan (offense sucks, defense is pretty decent) etc...


No I completely understand he's not there yet, and last year he had solid performances against a bad Purdue D-line and a demoralized Texas A&M team. I wish Oregon St. was better as that game had a tremendous amount of hype over here last spring. I think he'll be fine against the Big 10 teams, seeing how Kinlaw ran them over last year and Royster is a better player. The other thing that needs to be taken into consideration is Royster has only played the first half of these games. Can't wait until Illinois in two weeks.

[504 to ATL]

This list better include Charles Scott after tonight's performance against Auburn. 6+ yards per carry against a top 10 defense.

[Zyro_1014]

Like alot of people have said i think its going to come down to

Sanchez
Daniel
Bradford

this is not a homer pick, its just my opinion because i have seen it happen several times. Unless USC loses a game or Sanchez gets hurt i honestly think its his to lose right now. So many times ive seen it as the QB on the best team in the country. I do believe that Daniel will probably put up the best stats but i just think that voters get so caught up in how the players TEAM does and not just that player.

but i wont complain....he goes to SC :)

[abaddon41_80]

I think that 4 Big 12 quarterbacks have a legitimate shot at the Heisman this year.

1. Chase Daniel
2. Sam Bradford
3. Colt McCoy
4. Todd Reesing

[cdub11]

im still loving knowshon - 149 yds, 2 tds

[Sniper]

Mark Sanchez is my pick at the moment.

[Sniper]

Sam McGuffie for 2010 Heisman!

[Babylon]

Mark Sanchez is my pick at the moment.

With that team there will be games where the RBs will dominate the stats. Love him or hate him Chase Daniel's numbers are going to be light years ahead of everyone elses.

[Geomar]

kind of a homer and sleeper pick but, Graig Cooper.

3 games:

35 carries, 185 yards. 3 rushing touchdowns.

1 punt return TD for 66 yards.

That's my sleeper pick.

[princefielder28]

kind of a homer and sleeper pick but, Graig Cooper.

3 games:

35 carries, 185 yards. 3 rushing touchdowns.

1 punt return TD for 66 yards.

That's my sleeper pick.

Heisman is about stats and success...the stats may be there but the success won't

[bearsfan_51]

It's too bad Michigan State isn't going anywhere because Javon Ringer is in full beast mode this year.

[SuperKevin]

As long as USC is continuing to rape people, Mark Sanchez will win. Remember past winners get votes and there's a billion USC alums who will be voting

[KCJ58]

Graham Harrell should have been putting Max Hall # up by now but yea Hall & Daniel are the real deal

[Sniper]

With that team there will be games where the RBs will dominate the stats. Love him or hate him Chase Daniel's numbers are going to be light years ahead of everyone elses.

His defense will blow his shot at the Heisman

[Geomar]

Heisman is about stats and success...the stats may be there but the success won't

Miami could win the ACC, the ACC is very weak this year. Success could be there as well.

Plus all guys listed on here have played 4 games. Miami has played 3 games so the stats are a little bit apart.

I'll take Cooper as my sleeper pick.

Knowshon is my pick to win it.

[abaddon41_80]

My sleeper was Dante Love.

:(

[504 to ATL]

If Charles Scott can get 100+ yards against 2 of UGA, UF, and Bama I think he has got to be considered. He has one of the highest averages among RB's and his team would have been very very successful.

[holt_bruce81]

Where would everyone put Jeremy Maclin right now on the Heisman list?

[504 to ATL]

It sucks for him that his QB will steal tons of votes from him.

[holt_bruce81]

It sucks for him that his QB will steal tons of votes from him.

And Vice Versa

[cdub11]

Where would everyone put Jeremy Maclin right now on the Heisman list?

i think maclin is top 10 worthy

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Miami could win the ACC, the ACC is very weak this year. Success could be there as well.

Plus all guys listed on here have played 4 games. Miami has played 3 games so the stats are a little bit apart.

I'll take Cooper as my sleeper pick.

Knowshon is my pick to win it.

Still Cooper isn't even in the top 120 rushers in the nation, how about no chance on him. I mean Donald Brown has over 600 more yards and 6 more TD's than Cooper on an undefeated team but gets no pub for even being a top 10 Heisman finalist. The real RB sleepers for the Heisman are Javon Ringer, Donald Brown, Charles Scott, Darel Scott, PJ Hill, Evan Royster.

[RCAChainGang]

[The man in the sig will take the heisman] Sarcasm

But he pwns.

[georgiafan]

I quit reading when I saw Beanie Wells still in the top 10.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I quit reading when I saw Beanie Wells still in the top 10.

Well with his rediculous amount of media hype if he goes on to rush for 100+ the rest of the season and even just finishes with like 1200 yards and 8 or so TD's and the Buckeyes go undefeated the rest of the way, he will be a Heisman finalist.

[georgiafan]

Well with his rediculous amount of media hype if he goes on to rush for 100+ the rest of the season and even just finishes with like 1200 yards and 8 or so TD's and the Buckeyes go undefeated the rest of the way, he will be a Heisman finalist.

Your right, but he hasn't done squat this year. He missed 3 games in a row and the only game he played in was a 1-AA team. He is a excellent back and I'm not saying anything agianst him as a player. He just hasn't done anything this year to be in the top 10 heisman race. I think Charles Scott should take his place who is a HB for a top ranked team. If he has a few big games in a row after he comes back then move him in the top 10. But he shouldn't be on the list now.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Your right, but he hasn't done squat this year. He missed 3 games in a row and the only game he played in was a 1-AA team. He is a excellent back and I'm not saying anything agianst him as a player. He just hasn't done anything this year to be in the top 10 heisman race. I think Charles Scott should take his place who is a HB for a top ranked team. If he has a few big games in a row after he comes back then move him in the top 10. But he shouldn't be on the list now.

The Heisman is all about politics and media hype, there have been very few years over the past two decades in which I thought the right player won the Heisman. But that's just how things go. Especially in this day and age, whoever Sportscenter and various media outlets decide to jump on, they end up the winner.

[Sniper]

Well with his rediculous amount of media hype if he goes on to rush for 100+ the rest of the season and even just finishes with like 1200 yards and 8 or so TD's and the Buckeyes go undefeated the rest of the way, he will be a Heisman finalist.

RI-diculous, not re-diculous. Beanie won't be a finalist unless he finds a way to pump out 1,500 yards and 10+ TD.

[Geomar]

Still Cooper isn't even in the top 120 rushers in the nation, how about no chance on him. I mean Donald Brown has over 600 more yards and 6 more TD's than Cooper on an undefeated team but gets no pub for even being a top 10 Heisman finalist. The real RB sleepers for the Heisman are Javon Ringer, Donald Brown, Charles Scott, Darel Scott, PJ Hill, Evan Royster.

They all have participated in 4 games already except for Darel. Stats are gonna be uneven since Cooper has only played in 3 games.

We'll review this more after this week and next.

[holt_bruce81]

The only site that doesn't have Maclin in the top 10......Scotty doesn't know.

[Sniper]

The only site that doesn't have Maclin in the top 10......Scotty doesn't know.

that Fiona and me do it in my van every Sunday...

WRs have such a hard road to the Heisman. It's such a QB/RB dominated award that to be honest, right now, Maclin has something like a 5% chance of winning it. He's not even the best receiver in the country! However, his return game will help him.

Oh, and because of this thread, I get to post a picture of the last WR to win the Heisman!

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/pkg/ncf/100/top_plays_32.jpg

[CashmoneyDrew]

I just really don't see Tebow being that high right now. His stats aren't very good yet.

[Solomon]

I'm jumping on the Colt McCoy band wagon right now and hoping Scott joins soon. 3 games, 833 passing yards, 77.8 comp %, 10.3 YPA, 11 TDs passing, 1 int. He's also stepping up as a runner with 196 yards (a team high) and 2 TDs on the ground.

Sure he's played patsy opponents so far and his schedule gets a lot harder from here but the same can be said for most other early season canidates as well.

Most media outlets tend to view the SEC as the most competitive conference but I'd say that his year it's the Big 12, if McCoy can play well against Oklahoma, Mizzu, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma and end the season with only one or two losses he should certainly be a contender. After all it can certainly be argued that out of all the big name QBs in major conferences (Daniels, Tebow, Sanchez, Bradford, Stafford) McCoy has the least amount of talent surrounding him.

[Sniper]

Most media outlets tend to view the SEC as the most competitive conference but I'd say that his year it's the Big 12, if McCoy can play well against Oklahoma, Mizzu, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma and end the season with only one or two losses he should certainly be a contender. After all it can certainly be argued that out of all the big name QBs in major conferences (Daniels, Tebow, Sanchez, Bradford, Stafford) McCoy has the least amount of talent surrounding him.

Maybe. Oklahoma is a good all-around team, but Missouri's secondary sucks, Kansas' bubble has to burst some time soon and Texas Tech is overrated every year. I'd like to see how they do against real teams OOC.

[abaddon41_80]

I think Colt McCoy has officially vaulted himself into the top 5. Through 4 games,

80/100 (80%), 1018 yards, 10.2 y/a, 14 TDs, 1 Int, 209.71 QB rating
34 carries, 278 yards, 8.2 y/c, 4 TDs, no fumbles

[SeanTaylorRIP]

They all have participated in 4 games already except for Darel. Stats are gonna be uneven since Cooper has only played in 3 games.

We'll review this more after this week and next.

well................

[keylime_5]

it's the chase daniel/sam bradford race until one chokes or unless by some miracle javon ringer does what he has done so far this year in every game and gets over 2000 yards and 20tds while playing psu, osu, wisconsin and the rest of the big ten.

[SuperKevin]

it's the chase daniel/sam bradford race until one chokes or unless by some miracle javon ringer does what he has done so far this year in every game and gets over 2000 yards and 20tds while playing psu, osu, wisconsin and the rest of the big ten.

With close to 500 carries.

[jnew76]

The only site that doesn't have Maclin in the top 10......Scotty doesn't know.

I was thinking the same thing. The fact that Maclin is not on the list is a crime.

[B-Dawk]

Donald Brown should get an honorable mention

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Donald Brown should get an honorable mention

If they win the big east and have a 10-2 record or better, he will.

[B-Dawk]

If they win the big east and have a 10-2 record or better, he will.

Yeah, i'd have to look up the stats, but im sure hes still at or near the top of rushing and scoring, for an undefeated team, aware of schedule, in a bcs conference, yes the big east. He should be somewhere on watch lists now too.

[HUGH!]

I really think offensive linemen should be able to win heisman. They are the ones doing all of the work to make their QB/RB great. For example Alex Boone. If you watched the OSU/WIS game you saw that his blocks were fantastic and nobody on the defense could penetrate from that side. He also had a few pancakes.

[Sniper]

I really think offensive linemen should be able to win heisman. They are the ones doing all of the work to make their QB/RB great. For example Alex Boone. If you watched the OSU/WIS game you saw that his blocks were fantastic and nobody on the defense could penetrate from that side. He also had a few pancakes.

Except he's played terrible the rest of the year. Alex Boone isn't even one of the five best left tackles in the nation, and might not be top 10.

[WinslowBodden]

Except he's played terrible the rest of the year. Alex Boone isn't even one of the five best left tackles in the nation, and might not be top 10.

But hes #1 in the big 10 because the big 10 sucks.

GO SEC!

[Solomon]

Evan Royster is starting to emerge as a dark horse canidate for the Heisman. He hasn't gotten the workload of many of the other top backs this year (Brown, Ringer, Scott, Greene etc) but he's made the most of his 84 carries with 659 yards and 8 TDs for a revitalized 6-0 Penn State. His consistancy has been impressive, he hasn't averaged less than 7.3 yards a carry in a single game this year. The upcoming three games against Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio State should clear up whether or not he is a legit contender this year.

[Sniper]

But hes #1 in the big 10 because the big 10 sucks.

GO SEC!

I really don't think he's the best LT for the Big 10. Gabe Carimi is a better LT, in my opinion, and you could make a case for Gerald Cadogan.

[jnew76]

Does the winner of this weeks Matchup between Bradford and McCoy move to the top of the Heisman race over Daniel?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Does the winner of this weeks Matchup between Bradford and McCoy move to the top of the Heisman race over Daniel?

The winner will definitely be up there in contention but I don't think any one of them would clearly surpass Daniel as the favorite. Not unless one of them goes like 20-25 for 300 yards and 4 TD's, which is entirely possible though. IMO as long as Missouri stays undefeated Daniel is the Heisman Trophy winner.

[don5252]

I agree someone has to be a canadate for the heisman on Alabama. So what about the running back coffee. he seems more important then anyone else to that offense

[keylime_5]

no one on alabama is gonna contend for the heisman. just cause youre a good team doesn't mean you have the best player.

bradford and daniel lead right now in my book with mccoy in 3rd.

[Solomon]

I agree someone has to be a canadate for the heisman on Alabama. So what about the running back coffee. he seems more important then anyone else to that offense

Coffee is good but he has neither the stats or the wow ability to get the Heisman. And he is definitly not more important that anyone else to that offense. Andre Smith and Antoine Caldwell are the two most important players, and the left guard whose name eludes me right now is also very. I don't see Coffee as any more valuable than Wilson or even Julio Jones who has helped open up the field for Coffee to succeed.

If the season continues to go the way it has Smith should be a strong canidate for the Outland and Terrence Cody may be in contention for something as well however IMO nobody on Bama will get the Heisman or even make the trip to NYC for the ceremony.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I agree someone has to be a canadate for the heisman on Alabama. So what about the running back coffee. he seems more important then anyone else to that offense

Yeah just because you are a top team doesn't mean you need a Heisman finalist. LSU last year had none.

[Sniper]

Yeah just because you are a top team doesn't mean you need a Heisman finalist. LSU last year had none.

They would have if the Heisman wasn't reserved for QBs, RBs, or the occasional wideout.

[CJSchneider]

They would have if the Heisman wasn't reserved for QBs, RBs, or the occasional wideout.

The Heisman is a crock - When Charles Woodson is the only defensive player to ever win the award, you know something aint right.

[Sniper]

The Heisman is a crock - When Charles Woodson is the only defensive player to ever win the award, you know something aint right.

BITE YOUR ************* TONGUE! No one is good enough to hold Charles Woodson's (Praised Be His Name) jock.

[Sniper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk5u20AuXkE

Heisman!

[Shane P. Hallam]

The Heisman is a crock - When Charles Woodson is the only defensive player to ever win the award, you know something aint right.

I'm with CJ. Only because Woodson nauseates me. But I say: Kindle For Heisman!

[iowatreat54]

I share my birthday with Jesus Woodson, be jealous

that INT is one of my favorite college football plays ever

[Sniper]

I'm with CJ. Only because Woodson nauseates me.

Is it because of this?

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/nov/11-20-98/photos/osuwoodsontdmvm.gif

I share my birthday with Jesus Woodson, be jealous

that INT is one of my favorite college football plays ever

I'm SO jealous man. Your mom is a classy lady for popping you out on this glorious day.

Re: the INT. It better damn well. It was straight up silly.

[Michigan]

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/nov/11-20-98/photos/osuwoodsontdmvm.gif


I did not open this thread expecting to get an erection, yet...
*erection*

[ToldLikeItIs]

Bulaga is the best LT in the Big Ten.

[Sniper]

Bulaga is the best LT in the Big Ten.

Except he's not.

[Geomar]

well................

Well. Miami Is a young team but Graig Cooper has been a damn brightspot. =)

His teams record will hold him out.

He will have some nice numbers this year.

So far he has 60 carries on 322 yards for 3 touchdowns.

He has 10 catches for 45 yards and 1 touchdown.

He has 1 pass for 51 yards and 1 touchdown.

He has 2 punt returns for 81 yards and 1 Touchdown.

He has 499 all purpose yards and 5 TD's in 5 games.


We need to get him the ball more. We under-use him so much.


I say he will be a contender next year. His stats will be there this year but the team record will hurt him, next year the record wont hurt him. But anyways continue to watch out for him. Cooper is rediculous.

[iowatreat54]

Except he's not.

I think he will be by at latest his Senior year, or at least top 2...the kid is a beast, but there's no way being a true Soph and after only like 12-15 starts that he can be considered the best, but I think he is our best OL along with Doering if he would stay healthy

[ChezPower4]

it's the chase daniel/sam bradford race until one chokes or unless by some miracle javon ringer does what he has done so far this year in every game and gets over 2000 yards and 20tds while playing psu, osu, wisconsin and the rest of the big ten.

I think if Bradford plays well on saturday and OU wins i think that he'll take the lead in this years race but right now i see Daniel slightly ahead.

[MetSox17]

Colt McCoy.

/thread.

[BrownsTown]

Colt McCoy.

/thread.

McCoy helped Chase Daniel's chances as well as his own. Daniel's gotta be the favorite now. McCoy could catch him though. And Bradford certainly isn't out of it. I think one of those 3 QBs is going to win it, I really like the way Mizzou is playing though.

Should be great next week, Texas vs. Mizzou.

[MetSox17]

McCoy helped Chase Daniel's chances as well as his own. Daniel's gotta be the favorite now. McCoy could catch him though. And Bradford certainly isn't out of it. I think one of those 3 QBs is going to win it, I really like the way Mizzou is playing though.

Should be great next week, Texas vs. Mizzou.

I don't wanna hear any more gibberish (at least this year) about the SEC being the best conference in the NCAA.

The three best quarterbacks, and [arguably] the top three, clear cut Heisman favorites are all out of the Big 12.

McCoy needs to put up some good numbers next week, and Mizzou's defense isn't anything to brag about, so that shouldn't be too hard. I think the Texas defense can expose Daniel a little bit, so if Texas comes out on top, i think he should definitely be the top guy considered.

[Shane P. Hallam]

McCoy helped Chase Daniel's chances as well as his own. Daniel's gotta be the favorite now. McCoy could catch him though. And Bradford certainly isn't out of it. I think one of those 3 QBs is going to win it, I really like the way Mizzou is playing though.

Should be great next week, Texas vs. Mizzou.

It should come down to that game for the Heisman, definitely (Assuming one goes undefeated or one loss).

[jnew76]

It was week 3 or 4 when the thread was made. Colt is clearly at the top of the discussion now. I think a new poll needs to be made...

Is there any way for me to edit a closed poll?

[Shane P. Hallam]

Kindle 4 Kindle (Let's rename the Heisman!)

I can delete it, but I can't make it votable again.

[MetSox17]

I like how Sergio picked up some steam recently in the polls ;)

[Shane P. Hallam]

I like how Sergio picked up some steam recently in the polls ;)

Who would have guessed :D

[BrownsTown]

I don't wanna hear any more gibberish (at least this year) about the SEC being the best conference in the NCAA.

The three best quarterbacks, and [arguably] the top three, clear cut Heisman favorites are all out of the Big 12.

McCoy needs to put up some good numbers next week, and Mizzou's defense isn't anything to brag about, so that shouldn't be too hard. I think the Texas defense can expose Daniel a little bit, so if Texas comes out on top, i think he should definitely be the top guy considered.

Daniel's started for what, 3 years? He's not a fluke who's going to be 'exposed'. He runs the spread as good or better than anyone in the country and he has talent around him. He's faced good defenses before. I mean Colt's great, and he should put up great numbers against an average Missouri defense, but to beat Mizzou you need that offense to be out of rhythm somehow (off day, pressure, whatever) or outscore them, which is probably the more likely scenario considering that defense.

And take it from me, doubting Daniel...just won't work out for you well.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I imagine that score will looks like the Red River score, haha. Man, Texas/Mizzou will be a great game.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

My list as of now: (Missouri hasn't played yet)
1) Chase Daniel
2) Colt McCoy
3) Javon Ringer
4) Sam Bradford
5) Michael Crabtree

[BrownsTown]

My list as of now: (Missouri hasn't played yet)
1) Chase Daniel
2) Colt McCoy
3) Javon Ringer
4) Sam Bradford
5) Michael Crabtree

Max Hall will be a finalist until he loses. You can bet on that. I doubt he has any shot of winning it unless he goes for like 7 TDs against Utah, but he'll be top 4 or 5 unless BYU loses a game. Ringer I don't think will last. Out of the top 10 RBs in rushing, he's the only one under 5 yards a carry, and if you take away the game against the 106th ranked rush defense in Florida Atlantic, he's barely over 4. His numbers come from carrying the ball an obscene number of times a game.

[619]

So maybe not Chase ..

Colt McCoy it is. :)

[BrownsTown]

So maybe not Chase ..

Colt McCoy it is. :)

Until they lose to Mizzou next week. The Big 12 teams always seem to knock each other out.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I would go:

1. Colt McCoy
2. Chase Daniel
3. Max Hall
4. Sam Bradford
5. Mark Sanchez (despite the game today)

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I would go:

1. Colt McCoy
2. Chase Daniel
3. Max Hall
4. Sam Bradford
5. Mark Sanchez (despite the game today)

Ewe at Mark Sanchez. I think Darryl Clark has got to be in the conversation now. To me he is this season's Dennis Dixon. If Penn State runs the table he will be a top 3 finalist.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Yeah, I'd like to see him in the convo. I just don't see Ringer and Crabtree really being involved.

[SuperKevin]

Crabtree shouldn't be in the top 5. Eric Morris is getting a ton of his production and will keep him from getting votes.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Yeah, I'd like to see him in the convo. I just don't see Ringer and Crabtree really being involved.

Well if Michigan State ends up with only 2 or 3 losses and Ringer has 1700 yards+ 20 TD's which he is well ahead of pace despite having not played the tough part of the schedule yet, it would be hard to leave him out of New York. He'd probably be 4th or 5th place with no chance of winning but they would at least invite him as a seasonal achievement type of thing. Through 7 games he has 1112 yards, and 14 TD's which is absolutely nasty.

[SuperKevin]

Personally I think it's going to be all quarterbacks in New York this year. Take your pick out of any combination of Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrell, Max Hall, Zac Robinson, and Darryl Clark.

[BrownsTown]

Personally I think it's going to be all quarterbacks in New York this year. Take your pick out of any combination of Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrell, Max Hall, Zac Robinson, and Darryl Clark.

I think it'll be Bradford, Daniel, McCoy and Hall.

[BBIB]

Tim Tebow has to be back in the race with the fall of Daniel.

And right now it doesn't look good for Max Hall.

[wicket]

Yeah that game takes care of max hall and byu's season

[LonghornsLegend]

Daniel can catapult himself if he shows up big this weekend and pulls off the upset on the road, at that point it would probably be wide open.

[BrownsTown]

Daniel can catapult himself if he shows up big this weekend and pulls off the upset on the road, at that point it would probably be wide open.

Definitely. If Daniel beat Texas this weekend and plays well, it could be between him and Bradford again (depending on how McCoy plays).

[BackwoodsBoy]

I'm apparently missing a joke because Sergio Kindle almost 70% of the votes? He's not even the best player on his own defense that would be Brian Orakpo.

Any right now, until he throws picks or loses, it is Colt McCoy's heisman to lose.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I think Texas will lose one or two along the way, I'm alone here but my darkhorse pick at the end of the day will be QB of the only undefeated team in the Nation, Darryl Clark. Well Boise might be undefeated to, but who cares.

[comahan]

Sergio Kindle for heisman. Easily.

[MetSox17]

I think Texas will lose one or two along the way, I'm alone here but my darkhorse pick at the end of the day will be QB of the only undefeated team in the Nation, Darryl Clark. Well Boise might be undefeated to, but who cares.

Colt is making it very hard for Bradford tonight. Daniel's out of the running IMO, unless he puts up crazy numbers week in and week out and they win the big 12 championship.

[SuperKevin]

1. Colt McCoy





2. Sam Bradford
3. Mark Sanchez

[BrownsTown]

It's McCoy's/Texas's to lose. I think if they do lose Sam Bradford would be the favorite, even the game against Texas he played great.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

What I love about McCoy is that Texas isn't pressing him for Heisman. He could easily have 13-15 rushing TD's when they get down to the goal line, as all he would have to do is sneak it. However they reward their backs, and that is what impresses me most. They don't give a damn about padding stats.

[SuperKevin]

What I love about McCoy is that Texas isn't pressing him for Heisman. He could easily have 13-15 rushing TD's when they get down to the goal line, as all he would have to do is sneak it. However they reward their backs, and that is what impresses me most. They don't give a damn about padding stats.

That is a great point. In the Oklahoma game alone he could have had 3 rushing TDs

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Yup and last week against Missouri he could have had 2-3 easy. They ended up being 1 yard TD's for CO.

[TCU]

1. Colt McCoy

he should be the only one invited to New York.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Colt McCoy is by far and away the leader. Tim Teblow's not even close right now.

[dunagan15]

Colt McCoy is by far and away the leader. Tim Teblow's not even close right now.

As a Gator fan I have to agree. Gonna take a lot from Tebow to catch him and a couple bad performances out of Colt, which I dont see.

Hopefully they play in the Championship game this year, that would be fun

[P-L]

Colt McCoy is leading, but not "by far." The thing that gives him the advantage is that Texas is undefeated. If Texas loses to Oklahoma State or Texas Tech (or anyone for that matter) then he drops right to the same level as Bradford and Sanchez in my opinion.

[Pokeys]

Mark Sanchez? lol okay buddy...

[Sniper]

Mark Sanchez? lol okay buddy...

Colt McCoy is leading, but not "by far." The thing that gives him the advantage is that Texas is undefeated. If Texas loses to Oklahoma State or Texas Tech (or anyone for that matter) then he drops right to the same level as Bradford and Sanchez in my opinion.

Reading comprehension=awesome.

[Pokeys]

Reading comprehension=awesome.

Yeah I read it fine.... And I'm saying even if Texas loses Sanchez has noooooooO SHOT at winning the Heisman.

Reading comprehension=awesome.

[keylime_5]

Not that it's gonna happen but if TTU goes undefeated we finally gotta give one of Leach's quarterbacks a heisman.

[Sniper]

Yeah I read it fine.... And I'm saying even if Texas loses Sanchez has noooooooO SHOT at winning the Heisman.

Reading comprehension=awesome.

Yeah, he does. If he lights it up, he's got a good shot.

Reading comprehension=super awesome.

[Sniper]

Not that it's gonna happen but if TTU goes undefeated we finally gotta give one of Leach's quarterbacks a heisman.

Give it to Crabtrizzle!

[P-L]

Yeah I read it fine.... And I'm saying even if Texas loses Sanchez has noooooooO SHOT at winning the Heisman.

Reading comprehension=awesome.
Thanks you for contributing to the forum. We always appreciate when people tell others they are wrong with no facts or reasoning.

[Pokeys]

Thanks you for contributing to the forum. We always appreciate when people tell others they are wrong with no facts or reasoning.

I'm not saying anybody is wrong im just saying that Mark Sanchez has no chance of winning the heisman... Reasoning? hmmm lets see oh yeah theres 5 other QBs who have been better than him... llol enough said?

[SuperKevin]

I'm not saying anybody is wrong im just saying that Mark Sanchez has no chance of winning the heisman... Reasoning? hmmm lets see oh yeah theres 5 other QBs who have been better than him... llol enough said?

The USC bias alone bumps him up. All former Heisman winners get votes and there are a ton of Trojans there.

[Shane P. Hallam]

The USC bias alone bumps him up. All former Heisman winners get votes and there are a ton of Trojans there.

OJ still gets a vote? But honestly, a few votes by Heisman winners won't shift the winner. Right now, McCoy wins far and away if they don't lose.

[P-L]

I'm not saying anybody is wrong im just saying that Mark Sanchez has no chance of winning the heisman... Reasoning? hmmm lets see oh yeah theres 5 other QBs who have been better than him... llol enough said?
It's not just about stats though. Graham Harrell won't win it even if Tech goes undefeated and Chase Daniel is out of the picture with two losses. I promise you Tebow won't win it either. Many voters aren't going to want to give him a second Heisman for one. Secondly, Sanchez has more passing yards and passing TD's than Tebow has total yards and total TD's. Sanchez also plays for USC and voters are not going to forget the 4 TD's he had against Ohio State.

Finally, I never said Sanchez would win it. I simply said that if McCoy and Texas have one loss at the end of the season, he isn't the clear cut favorite and guys like Bradford and Sanchez would be back in the mix.

[holt_bruce81]

So I know Chase Daniel's Heisman chances went bye bye last week, but does Maclin still have a chance?

[SuperKevin]

OJ still gets a vote? But honestly, a few votes by Heisman winners won't shift the winner. Right now, McCoy wins far and away if they don't lose.

I realize that. I'm just saying you can't count out Sanchez as a viable #2 if Colt should lay an eggs the next few games

[Shane P. Hallam]

I realize that. I'm just saying you can't count out Sanchez as a viable #2 if Colt should lay an eggs the next few games

Ah alright, my apologies.

[BBIB]

This race REALLY shapes up next Saturday with Texas vs Texas Tech and UGA vs UF.

[MetSox17]

So I know Chase Daniel's Heisman chances went bye bye last week, but does Maclin still have a chance?

No. Curtis Brown made him look invisible, and there are three quarterbacks, all on better teams, that are the front runners. So unless Maclin goes Reggie Bush v. Fresno State (2005) for the rest of the season, he has no shot.

[LonghornsLegend]

This race REALLY shapes up next Saturday with Texas vs Texas Tech and UGA vs UF.

What a fun week it will be...UGA and UF was the game I pointed out in an earlier thread as the one I wanted to see the most and both are top 10 teams playing great ball right now.


Tech always plays us well, every year, they really don't play any defense though so for this stretch where they have to play some top 10 teams that will cost them...They are tough to stop, and will be fired up in Lubbock so it should be fun, this game is huge in how the BCS shapes up.

[BBIB]

Interesting how Scott has the rankings right now

1)Colt McCoy
2)Sam Bradford
3)Graham Harrell
4)Tim Tebow
5)Darryl Clark

I'd say that's pretty much spot on all the guys who are getting consideration.

I'd say for someone outside that Big 12 to get it those teams have to beat each other up. And that would have to start with Texas Tech beating Texas.

If Texas beats Texas Tech you can pretty much hand the trophy to McCoy. I don't see another team beating Texas outside of Texas Tech on their schedule.

[BrownsTown]

What happens if Texas Tech wins? Does Graham Harrell take the lead?

And to the above poster, they still would have Kansas and the Big 12 title game.

[Shane P. Hallam]

What happens if Texas Tech wins? Does Graham Harrell take the lead?

And to the above poster, they still would have Kansas and the Big 12 title game.


I think Harrell does, yes.

[BrownsTown]

I think Harrell does, yes.

That would be weird, to have a player in that kind of system win it. There have been people who have had better season's that have gotten written off because of the system they're in.

[Sniper]

That would be weird, to have a player in that kind of system win it. There have been people who have had better season's that have gotten written off because of the system they're in.

Seasons is the plural of season, not season's.

And does Tim Tebow ring a bell?

[BigJohn98]

Call me crazy, but I don't get how Tebow is still in contention.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Call me crazy, but I don't get how Tebow is still in contention.

He has owned the last few weeks?

[BigJohn98]

He has owned the last few weeks?

Against an overrated LSU team and Kentucky. His stats for the last two games are hardly "dominating" to me.

[Sniper]

Against an overrated LSU team and Kentucky. His stats for the last two games are hardly "dominating" to me.

Kentucky had a top 10 scoring defense before the UF game, and currently has the 11th ranked pass D. Not sure how much weight your statement holds.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Against an overrated LSU team and Kentucky. His stats for the last two games are hardly "dominating" to me.

Ha, competition doesn't matter, only stats.

[BigJohn98]

Ha, competition doesn't matter, only stats.

LSU- 210 yards, 2 tds, 1 rushing td
UK- 180 yards, 2 tds, 2 rushing tds

Sorry, those don't appeal to me. But hey, that's just me.

[Shane P. Hallam]

LSU- 210 yards, 2 tds, 1 rushing td
UK- 180 yards, 2 tds, 2 rushing tds

Sorry, those don't appeal to me. But hey, that's just me.

7 TDs in two games works for me.

[murdamal86]

LSU- 210 yards, 2 tds, 1 rushing td
UK- 180 yards, 2 tds, 2 rushing tds

Sorry, those don't appeal to me. But hey, that's just me.

today against UGA:

10 of 13 for 148 yards and 2 passing 2 td's
12 rushes for 36 yards and 3 rushing td's

[princefielder28]

It's a three horse race between McCoy, Harrell, and Tebow

[djp]

What has Sam Bradford done to play himself out of the race? I know he lost to McCoy, but he has still played great.

That said, the winning QB in tonight's game should win the Heisman.

[iowatreat54]

edit: meant this in the gameday thread

[princefielder28]

What has Sam Bradford done to play himself out of the race? I know he lost to McCoy, but he has still played great.

That said, the winning QB in tonight's game should win the Heisman.

Nothing...I love Bradford just as much as the next person but I don't see them running the table and pulling out a Big 12 Championship. The winner of tonight's Texas/Tech game will be the frontrunner with Tebow as the #2. All the top tier QBs are going to put up sick stats and it's gonna come down to winning and Florida's schedule favors that quite a bit and tonight's winner has an inside track on that too, especially if it's Texas.

[BrownsTown]

So is Graham Harrell #1 until Tech loses? Once he does it could be between Bradford and Tebow, and maybe McCoy. That would be interesting.

[Shane P. Hallam]

So is Graham Harrell #1 until Tech loses?

I think so, no doubt.

[Staubach12]

This is Harrell's to lose right now. I think Crabtree should get a look, too.

[wicket]

This is Harrell's to lose right now. I think Crabtree should get a look, too.

and that might be the reason why both of them wont get it

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I still think McCoy is in the inside track if Texas Tech does not make the Big 12 championship and Texas does. If Texas wins out and makes the NC, I can't see Bradford getting it over McCoy. Also I think if Oklahoma loses to TT, Bradford should still be in NY, but shouldn't win it. I still think Darryl Clark will be in NY.

[holt_bruce81]

So what is it going to take for a Tight End to get consideration? (not win it, just consideration)

Coffman is the most important player in Missouri's offense. On pace for 100+ receptions, 1200+ yards and 12 TDs.

not saying he should be a top candidate but shouldn't he get some love? He is insanely good this year.

[ChezPower4]

This is Harrell's to lose right now. I think Crabtree should get a look, too.

If Tech loses one game Harrell will not win but if Tech does somehow win all of their remaining games, there's now way Harrell loses.

[keylime_5]

my crystal ball says Oklahoma wins out and Bradford gets the heisman.

[MetSox17]

my crystal ball says Oklahoma wins out and Bradford gets the heisman.

I don't think so, unless he's godly versus Tech and they somehow leapfrog Texas in the standings, which shouldn't happen. The crazy thing is that out of Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech, only two of them will play BCS bowls. :/

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Current Heisman Rankings for me:

1) Graham Harrell
2) Tim Tebow- If anyone falters there is no way they won't give it to him being the reigning champ and having so much media hype
3) Michael Crabtree
4) Colt McCoy
5) Sam Bradford

[MetSox17]

Current Heisman Rankings for me:

1) Graham Harrell
2) Tim Tebow- If anyone falters there is no way they won't give it to him being the reigning champ and having so much media hype
3) Michael Crabtree
4) Colt McCoy
5) Sam Bradford

At this point, i no longer care about the Heisman trophy. If Texas wins out and leapfrogs Tech (should they lose to blow U), i think Colt will be 1.a once again, but this time with Tebow.

[keylime_5]

I don't think so, unless he's godly versus Tech and they somehow leapfrog Texas in the standings, which shouldn't happen. The crazy thing is that out of Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech, only two of them will play BCS bowls. :/

If oklahoma beats tech then bradford would finish higher than harrell in the voting, and I think those 2 will be 1 and 2. Even if texas is higher in the bcs standings I think Bradford would get the heisman over mccoy too simply b/c of stats and the fact that both would have a big win, and bradford hasn't had a bad game yet. I think Bradford's stats are better than Harrell's if I'm not mistaken too.

[Shane P. Hallam]

At this point, i no longer care about the Heisman trophy. If Texas wins out and leapfrogs Tech (should they lose to blow U), i think Colt will be 1.a once again, but this time with Tebow.

As long as Tebow doesn't win it, I'm happy.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Tebow is gonna need to be super dominant to win it, like I mean SUPER DOMINANT. The Heisman guys won't wanna give out a second heisman to a guy.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I think the three Big 12 QBs are still ahead of him myself.

[LonghornsLegend]

The point has been made already, but those Big 12 guys are gonna split alot of votes, so Tebow could sneak back in if he continues to close strong.

[DragonFireKai]

So what is it going to take for a Tight End to get consideration? (not win it, just consideration)

Coffman is the most important player in Missouri's offense. On pace for 100+ receptions, 1200+ yards and 12 TDs.

not saying he should be a top candidate but shouldn't he get some love? He is insanely good this year.

Call me when he actually starts lining up at tight end. Missouri's got a good racket going on with that. If you've got a big slow reciever, just call them a tight end. It doesn't matter that they actually line up split wide 99% of the time. Other teams will still try to cover them with linebackers and safeties.

[PossumBoy9]

I think Bradford's stats are better than Harrell's if I'm not mistaken too.

I'd say that you were mistaken.

Harrell has more total TDs, more yards, and a better completion %.

Bradford has 38 passing TDs to Harrell's 36, but he's also thrown one more INT.

Nobody will out "stat" Graham Harrell this year.

[PossumBoy9]

The point has been made already, but those Big 12 guys are gonna split alot of votes, so Tebow could sneak back in if he continues to close strong.

The Big 12 guys might only split votes if Tech loses.

If the Red Raiders go into Norman and win, my guess would be that Harrell has nailed it down.

[MetSox17]

The Big 12 guys might only split votes if Tech loses.

If the Red Raiders go into Norman and win, my guess would be that Harrell has nailed it down.

He would have to play lights out. Tebow is really catching some steam right now.

[tjsunstein]

I have to give it to Crabtree. So exciting to watch.

[PossumBoy9]

He would have to play lights out. Tebow is really catching some steam right now.

Chances are, if Tech won....Harrell had a nice day. Considering he's in the driver's seat already, that'll probably wrap it up.

Nobody has caught more steam the past two weeks than Harrell.

[MetSox17]

Chances are, if Tech won....Harrell had a nice day. Considering he's in the driver's seat already, that'll probably wrap it up.

Nobody has caught more steam the past two weeks than Harrell.

Okay Texas Tech fan.

[princefielder28]

Okay Texas Tech fan.

An undefeated Texas Tech would undoubtedly give Graham Harrell the Heisman. It doesn't matter how much steam Tim Tebow has because if you have a QB with the stats that Harrell has and no loses, then he's gonna get the trophy.

[cdub11]

Im probably in the minority here but I just dont see Harrell as a the best player in college football. Texas Tech's previous 4 QB's put up huge numbers

02 Kliff Kingsbury 5017 yds & 45 TD
03 BJ Symons 5833 yds & 52 TD
04 Sonny Cumbie 4742 yds & 32 TD
05 Cody Hodges 4238 yds & 31 TD

Harrell is the best of that group but when a team can plug in that many QBs and get big production I think it is more the system than the player. I would give it to Tebow, Crabtree, Bradford or McCoy over Harrell.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Harrell has led his team to an undefeated season, that is a big win as compared to those QBs. I'd give it to Crabtree myself, but Harrell deserves it over McCoy and Tebow, no doubt.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Im probably in the minority here but I just dont see Harrell as a the best player in college football. Texas Tech's previous 4 QB's put up huge numbers

02 Kliff Kingsbury 5017 yds & 45 TD
03 BJ Symons 5833 yds & 52 TD
04 Sonny Cumbie 4742 yds & 32 TD
05 Cody Hodges 4238 yds & 31 TD

Harrell is the best of that group but when a team can plug in that many QBs and get big production I think it is more the system than the player. I would give it to Tebow, Crabtree, Bradford or McCoy over Harrell.

Difference is Harrell has already taken Tech to places they have never been. None of those QB's had #1 teams, none of them even had top 10 teams this deep in the season. If those QB's led their teams to the top of the Big 12 and national stage, they would have received an invite to New York. And by going with your reasoning of him not deserving because of his system, than you also have to take Crabtree off your list. You can say he is another in the line of big producers from TT like Wes Welker, or Joe Filani, or Ron Johnson. I don't think this way but by that reasoning you would have to eliminate Crabtree.

[wicket]

how come percy harvin isnt getting any talk whatsoever, he's scored a ton of td's. He is really special every time he steps on the field (which is not always though and that might hurt him??)

[Mr.Regular]

I would vote for Crabtree. The guy is simply amazing. I have a hard time arguing that there is a better player in college football right now. The only other player would maybe be Tebow.
When it comes down to it though I think it'll be the QB of the Big 12 winner or Tebow.

[illmatic74]

Wonder if Bradford has wrote his speech yet

[abaddon41_80]

Might as well give it to Bradford now.

[SuperKevin]

Bradford wins this unless he goes 3-34 with 13 INTs next week against Oklahoma State

[ElectricEye]

Ah damn. I thought the loss to Texas set Bradford up with a path for a successful NFL career. Not that it actually matters...but yeah.

Pretty much wrapped up after this.

[holt_bruce81]

1. Bradford
2. McCoy
3. Tebow

[sbh15]

Bradford wins this unless he goes 3-34 with 13 INTs next week against Oklahoma State

Or unless they lose.

[MetSox17]

If Colt plays amazing against aTm (which is very likely) and Bradford has a below average game, Colt still has a shot at this. He beat a Bradford-led OU team, so that should count for him. I think it's safe to say Harrell is out of the equation now.

[holt_bruce81]

If Colt plays amazing against aTm (which is very likely) and Bradford has a below average game, Colt still has a shot at this. He beat a Bradford-led OU team, so that should count for him. I think it's safe to say Harrell is out of the equation now.

Oh yeah No doubt Colt still has a shot, I just don't see Bradford having a bad game against Oklahoma State.

[etk]

Please be Bradford and not McCoy or Tebow.

[BrownsTown]

Please be Bradford and not McCoy or Tebow.

It'll be Bradford or McCoy depending on whethere Oklahoma loses or not. The only way Tebow wins it if is Oklahoma loses to Ok. St. and then Texas loses to Mizzou (or A&M).

[Solomon]

Let's hear it for McCoy! Really stepped up as a leader this year and did it all despite not having top weapons surrounding him.

Completed 77.6% of his passes (an NCAA record) for 3445 yards and 32 TDs against only 7 interceptions. Also led the Longhorns with 128 carries for 576 yards while piling up 10 TDs on the ground.

He definitly deserves to be a finalist and get strong consideration for the Heisman.

[MetSox17]

30 and 10, with a 77 completion percentage. That's absolutely filthy, and like you said, on a team with very little developed talent at the WR position. Basically no TE either, and we've seen how important they are in the Texas offense. No running game either.

Colt FTW!

[holt_bruce81]

Why isn't Maclin being talked about for Heisman?

88 Catches 1,175 yards 11 TDs
37 attempts 248 yards 2 TDs

19 punt returns 188 yards 9.9 YPR
34 kick returns 855 yards 25.1 YPR 1 TD

178 touches - 2,466 all purpose yards - 14 Touchdowns

It just amazes me that Crabtree is getting some Heisman love but you never hear Maclin being mentioned at all.

[bearsfan_51]

Why isn't Maclin being talked about for Heisman?

88 Catches 1,175 yards 11 TDs
37 attempts 248 yards 2 TDs

19 punt returns 188 yards 9.9 YPR
34 kick returns 855 yards 25.1 YPR 1 TD

178 touches - 2,466 all purpose yards - 14 Touchdowns

It just amazes me that Crabtree is getting some Heisman love but you never hear Maclin being mentioned at all.

Becuase Texas Tech is in the national title hunt and Missouri just lost to Kansas.

[sbh15]

Becuase Texas Tech is in the national title hunt and Missouri just lost to Kansas.

And because Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy all have about twice as many touchdowns while being on teams in the hunt.

[jth1331]

Man, this is going to be a tough decision for the voters.
I don't think Tebow will get it, I don't think he should anyways.
Personally, as much as it pains me to say it, I think McCoy should get it. Bradford has been absolutely amazing, but McCoy has been very impressive, with not as much talent around him as Bradford. But it could be like Reggie Bush winning, when it probably should have been Vince Young.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Whoever gets to the Big 12 Championship game, Texas or Oklahoma also decides the Heisman. It's a shame how the dumb system decides not only who to go the National Championship based off nothing, as well as the Heisman.

[holt_bruce81]

Whoever gets to the Big 12 Championship game, Texas or Oklahoma also decides the Heisman. It's a shame how the dumb system decides not only who to go the National Championship based off nothing, as well as the Heisman.

What if Mizzou pulls off the upset? It probably won't happen but does that change the Heisman voting?

[Shane P. Hallam]

I don't think it matters either way. It will be a tight race between McCoy and Bradford either way.

[holt_bruce81]

Does Bradford being a Soph hurt his chances? I mean Tebow was the first Sophomore ever to win it. And it was obvious he was the best player last year.

Just think in a close race like this, they'll go with the upper classman

[Smokey Joe]

I think McCoy will get it due to him being such a great dual threat. Led his team in rushing, and had an unreal completion %, to go along with other very impressive stats. Plus, look at his OLine compared to Oklahoma's.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Does Bradford being a Soph hurt his chances? I mean Tebow was the first Sophomore ever to win it. And it was obvious he was the best player last year.

Just think in a close race like this, they'll go with the upper classman

It def. hurts him. Thus, as Smokey said, McCoy is the prime candidate despite not being #2. I just pray every year that Archie's record sticks!

[keylime_5]

McCoy should get it. He has done more with less than the other guys. His team is just as good too.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I said that whoever the BCS put at #2 this week will win the Heisman and I stick by it to be true. Colt sits this week while Bradford gets a national showcase. Bradford will win it now, if Texas had been put #2 in the BCS than Colt would have won it.

[sbh15]

Tebow's last gasp would be to put on an absolute clinic against Bama this week.

Looks like Archie Griffin can take a deep breath... for now.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

If Missouri somehow pulls the upset and Florida wins, I think Tebow is the front runner.

[BamaFalcon59]

Jason Worilds, defensive end Virginia Tech..

[P-L]

Why does it seem like the Heisman goes to the player who loses the earliest? If the Heisman is really the "Most Outstanding Player in the Country," it should go to Sam Bradford whether Oklahoma wins or loses. Bradford has 9 more passing TD's than Tim Tebow has total TD's. Bradford has 51 total TD's and Tebow has 37. Bradford also has 1800 more passing yards than Tebow and 1350 more total yards. Bradford has been the best player in college football not named Michael Crabtree. And although it might be unfair, Crabtree isn't going to win it. If you want to throw someone else's name in the mix, compare Bradford and McCoy.

Sad thing is, Tebow does have a legit chance to win if Florida beats Alabama and Missouri shocks Oklahoma.

[Sniper]

If it were for Most Outstanding Player regardless of position, Eric Berry and Michael Crabtree would be the top 2.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I still will make my case for Colt Mccoy for Heisman. If you just want to look at statistics he passed for 3,445 yards and 32 TD's on a mind boggling 78% completion percentage. He also led his team in rushing with 576 yards and 10 TD's. Also statistics wise the Horns pulled him out of many games instead of padding stats. They also rewarded their RB's on goaline rushes when they could have simply sneaked it. If McCoy was so focused on getting the Heisman he could easily have 40 passing TD's and between 15-20 rushing TD's.

[BamaFalcon59]

If it were for Most Outstanding Player regardless of position, Eric Berry and Michael Crabtree would be the top 2.

Right behind Jason Worilds, those would indeed be the top two.

[BrownsTown]

I still will make my case for Colt Mccoy for Heisman. If you just want to look at statistics he passed for 3,445 yards and 32 TD's on a mind boggling 78% completion percentage. He also led his team in rushing with 576 yards and 10 TD's. Also statistics wise the Horns pulled him out of many games instead of padding stats. They also rewarded their RB's on goaline rushes when they could have simply sneaked it. If McCoy was so focused on getting the Heisman he could easily have 40 passing TD's and between 15-20 rushing TD's.

100% agree. I hate that he won't be playing so he'll just be out of people's minds. He's been historically accurate this year.

[cdub11]

here are the numbers on mccoy, bradford & tebow

Colt McCoy
77.6 Comp %, 3445 passing yds, 32 TD, 7 Int, 576 rush yds, 10 rush TD
Passer Rating 179.20

Sam Bradford
68.2 Comp %, 4080 Passing yds, 46 TD, 6 Int, 5 rush TD
Passer Rating 190.97

Tim Tebow
65.0 Comp %, 2299 Passing yds, 25 TD, 2 Int, 507 rush yds, 12 rush TD
Passer Rating 175.46

[Crimson79]

I am curious. It seems like last week when Scott put up his heisman watch that Bradford had jumped to number 1. Now after beating top 15, in state rival, on the road. He accounts for 5 touchdowns, and now he drops to number 3? Maybe I misread his rankings, but if I didn't just wtf was he thinking?

[P-L]

I am curious. It seems like last week when Scott put up his heisman watch that Bradford had jumped to number 1. Now after beating top 15, in state rival, on the road. He accounts for 5 touchdowns, and now he drops to number 3? Maybe I misread his rankings, but if I didn't just wtf was he thinking?
I was thinking the same thing. They are all close, but I don't understand how Scott could've dropped Bradford two spots after Saturday's game.

[iowatreat54]

the only reasoning I can legitimately take for putting Tebow ahead of either is that he plays against actual defenses. Even then, I still wouldn't buy it because Bradford and McCoy are still putting up great numbers, but at least it's an argument.

however, I fully expect Tebow to win it because I have zero faith in any sports awards/ranks being voted on.

[jballa838]

it should go to Nate Davis.

[CroomDawgs]

McCoy got screwed in this I doubt theres anyway he wins unless Bradford and Tebow screw up. As of right now its Bradfords to lose. More than likely its gonna be FLorida-OU in the title game, and i am a huge believer of the heisman winner should have led his team to the title game, in which both Tebow and Bradford have. In that case it come down to stats, and bradford has Tebow by a mile.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Scott updated his rankings, but McCoy #1, Bradford at #3.

I think there is no way Tebow wins it though.