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MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-18-2008, 09:53 PM
Is it just me, or should Reggie Bush move to WR, at least most of the time? I know it sounds very IDD, but really, he is an ineffective runner, let's admit. That being said, even as a detractor of Bush, I do know:

He is electric in open space.
He has very good hands.
He has experience lining up at WR sometimes.

The problem has been actually getting him in open space. Putting him at WR would make it much easier. It would allow him to catch the ball with only one or two guys near him, he would be a major weapon on screens and reverses, and he wouldn't need to move through a hole in the front seven. When he gets into open space, he makes big plays. That's where most of his TDs have come.

He's what? 6' 200? That's decent size for a WR with his athleticism. Personally I think he could do it, and salvage his career.

Dam8610
09-18-2008, 09:56 PM
That doesn't sound IDD at all...you don't want him to bulk up 50 pounds and play DE. :D

Seriously though, it's not a bad idea. I just noticed that, as is, he's about 15th on the receiving yardage leaderboard. Why not teach him how to run routes and split him out wide?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-18-2008, 09:57 PM
That doesn't sound IDD at all...you don't want him to bulk up 50 pounds and play DE. :D

Seriously though, it's not a bad idea. I just noticed that, as is, he's about 15th on the receiving yardage leaderboard. Why not teach him how to run routes and split him out wide?

Come to think of it...

Do you think any OT would be able to stop HIS speed rush??

Gatz
09-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Come to think of it...

Do you think any OT would be able to stop HIS speed rush??They wouldn't have to. By the time he stops shaking around and decides to rush past the line of scrimmage the pass would have been thrown.

yourfavestoner
09-18-2008, 10:21 PM
I've been saying this since he was at USC. He could have been a Steve Smith type of receiver by now if he would have been focusing on it since college.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Why not just keep him doing what he's doing? He is already catching a super high number of catches, probably just as many as he'd catch actually playing WR. And they can get him a few carries, and even maybe return a few kicks. Keep him as an all around weapon, and just select plays that play to his strength.

Also, interesting sig yourfavestoner....

islandboy843
09-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Gucciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


Anyways...Bush is half the back Chris Johnson is so i say put him at WR.

Menardo75
09-18-2008, 11:29 PM
Not a bad idea probably fits him best.

Saints-Tigers
09-18-2008, 11:31 PM
No one can run for us right now, so it's moot until we upgrade our run blocking.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-19-2008, 12:57 AM
Personally, I think that New Orleans' plan to line up Bush in whatever way can get him in open space is fine as it is. The fact is that he's way more likely have open space and one on one match-ups outside in the flats than he is running posts and flags.

The problem is New Orleans is that they have to rely on Bush as a runner right now because no one else is stepping up and that offensive line isn't blocking like it should. It hasn't been the best career for Bush so far, but I still see no reason that if the Saints pull their offense together Bush can't be a very effective player in the capacity they have in mind for him.

Saints-Tigers
09-19-2008, 01:42 AM
He needs more designed runs behind a fullback, and he definitely needs more passes downfield.....

BlindSite
09-19-2008, 02:58 AM
Personally, I think that New Orleans' plan to line up Bush in whatever way can get him in open space is fine as it is. The fact is that he's way more likely have open space and one on one match-ups outside in the flats than he is running posts and flags.

The problem is New Orleans is that they have to rely on Bush as a runner right now because no one else is stepping up and that offensive line isn't blocking like it should. It hasn't been the best career for Bush so far, but I still see no reason that if the Saints pull their offense together Bush can't be a very effective player in the capacity they have in mind for him.

Agreed, the issue isn't so much Bush, its who else is on the team. If they had of drafted Forte or Stewart or Kevin Smith they probably would've moved him out to a more WR orientated player.

I think that if the Duce came back to full force, which he never will we'd see Bush in on KR and PR duties as well as snaps at wide receiver and tailback. He's a versatile player who needs more coaching.

LonghornsLegend
09-19-2008, 08:18 AM
LMAO awesome post title :D


I don't think he should move outright to WR, but his struggles as an inside runner even after all this time, and all the weight he has gained, tells me he should just be a tweener...He needs to be used with another back like when Deuce was pounding the ball up the middle, and he needs to line up in the slot, go in motion, do whatever he can to get into open space.


I wouldn't want to see him lined up as a WR every snap, keep him in the backfield and move him around to create mis matches, its a weapon having a RB who can catch as good as him, he's fine unless the Saints are asking him to carry the load....His YPC being this low after all this time speaks volumes about his ability as a true RB.

MetSox17
09-19-2008, 09:54 AM
I agree with those that want to leave him at RB. He's pretty successful as it is, and they still have to respect his running once in a while on tosses and off tackle plays. He has the speed and agility to break it outside on any play, so if you put him on one side of the field, it kind of takes away the other half for him to work with.

No one ever expected him to be an inside runner, so i don't understand the huge disappointment with him now. I love the guy as a player, and the fact that defenses prepare so much for him, seeing as how him and Brees are the only offense that NO has, still says plenty of his skill.

Marlo
09-19-2008, 09:59 AM
He's like Michael Vick. An absolutely electric athlete who can do amazing things on the football field. Unfortunately, it's difficult to incorporate him into an offense because there aren't many players like him.

MetSox17
09-19-2008, 10:05 AM
He's like Michael Vick. An absolutely electric athlete who can do amazing things on the football field. Unfortunately, it's difficult to incorporate him into an offense because there aren't many players like him.

Very original.

Who in here honestly thought that Reggie Bush was going to be a running back like most others? It's ridiculous to even be comparing Peterson to Bush, cause they're completely different players. It's like comparing Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger to Michael Vick. No where near the same type of players, even though they play the same position. One has all the prototypical tools you'd want in that position, and the other has crazy athleticism, which you can use in many different ways.

Gay Ork Wang
09-19-2008, 10:07 AM
omg he used ur argument! You know that because everyone reads ur posts, and u use arguments no one ever used

MetSox17
09-19-2008, 10:13 AM
omg he used ur argument! You know that because everyone reads ur posts, and u use arguments no one ever used

If you ever find me ripping off someone else's argument, that isn't too vague to be identified to just one person, please point it out.

CJSchneider
09-19-2008, 10:23 AM
I've been saying this since he was at USC. He could have been a Steve Smith type of receiver by now if he would have been focusing on it since college.

I've always thought he would be far better used as a slot reciever. Something like a "wing-back" that we have discussed in the Offensive Themes Thread so he could get in on toss and sweep plays as well.

CC.SD
09-19-2008, 10:23 AM
What he really needs are more direct snaps and draw plays to screw with the defense's head. Cool it on the sweeps for a while and let him play around in the slot. Motion motion motion!!! Throw to him off play action. Hell, let him throw a pass or two a la LT, anything that gets a defender on his heels for a split second, we all know Reggie can take advantage of that. Honestly the talent is there he needs some outside the box play calling so he can finally find his damn way in the NFL.

Aside from that I'd love to see him running routes downfield, he can do it with the best of em.

bored of education
09-19-2008, 10:31 AM
HE should be Jay Cutler's towel boy

Turtlepower
09-19-2008, 10:37 AM
HE should be Jay Cutler's towel boy

Jay Cutler doesn't sweat, so that would be useless.

bored of education
09-19-2008, 10:42 AM
Jay Cutler doesn't sweat, so that would be useless.

ohh snapp

so true my friend

hockey619
09-19-2008, 11:15 AM
Ive wondered this since he entered the draft. The explosiveness was there, but how would he be utilized. As Metsox pointed out, he's a one of a kind player. You have a rare talent in front of you with unique abilities, he needs to be utilized differently than your normally exceptional player. And he also needs to run some deep routes because everyone knows at this point that the saints are going to give him the ball fast and try to let him get yac, so deep passes would help keep the D honest.

scottyboy
09-19-2008, 11:21 AM
Very original.

yes, because you're the first person ever to say or think that Vick was just an exceptional athlete who was out of place at times on the football field, brilliant.

and use him as an athlete. I don't see him running slants over the middle getting drilled around by safeties(then again, he'd be hard to catch and hit) and he's already used on screens split wide. It would make sense, he could always still get like 10 carries a game.

look at this, we're talking of him changing positions, wasn't he supposed to be the "next Marshall Faulk"... that worked well...

PACKmanN
09-19-2008, 12:38 PM
wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

Marlo
09-19-2008, 12:42 PM
If you ever find me ripping off someone else's argument, that isn't too vague to be identified to just one person, please point it out.

Yup, I copied your argument to sound smart.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-19-2008, 01:05 PM
Reggie Bush is a football player. And a very good one. Use him like you'd use the most athletic kid in backyard games. Put him in the backfield and take some carries. Line him up at WR. Send him in motion, etc.

Twiddler
09-19-2008, 01:27 PM
wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

So you have never gone on this site and said that coaches should do something different with a certain player? Good for you, but this is a forum, we're discussing opinions. Try not to get your panties in a bunch because some people are thinking he should be utilized in a different manner.

As for Bush, I think I agree that he just needs more of a hybrid/specialized role for him, kind of like they have been doing. Like others have said, I'm not sure that putting him specifically as WR would be a good idea because of how the coverage would be right on him, unlike in the flats.

Flyboy
09-19-2008, 01:28 PM
No. It would be a horrible idea to do so.

Bruce
09-19-2008, 01:31 PM
Is it just me, or should Reggie Bush move to WR, at least most of the time? I know it sounds very IDD, but really, he is an ineffective runner, let's admit. That being said, even as a detractor of Bush, I do know:

He is electric in open space.
He has very good hands.
He has experience lining up at WR sometimes.

The problem has been actually getting him in open space. Putting him at WR would make it much easier. It would allow him to catch the ball with only one or two guys near him, he would be a major weapon on screens and reverses, and he wouldn't need to move through a hole in the front seven. When he gets into open space, he makes big plays. That's where most of his TDs have come.

He's what? 6' 200? That's decent size for a WR with his athleticism. Personally I think he could do it, and salvage his career.

You want to know why he can't run? This is why.

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83678

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83650

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83744

The O-Line is horrid. Reggie gets blamed way too much.

Flyboy
09-19-2008, 01:40 PM
You want to know why he can't run? This is why.

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83678

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83650

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83744

The O-Line is horrid. Reggie gets blamed way too much.

OMG, don't show them proof of our shoddy offensive line in terms of run blocking! :eek:

wicket
09-19-2008, 01:45 PM
truly i get where you are coming from, however tbh it is not the move to make my opinion, not untill we have a feature back who can carry the load at least, he can do a lot of damage as a wr but the damage he can do as a receiving runner is that much bigger

MetSox17
09-19-2008, 02:30 PM
yes, because you're the first person ever to say or think that Vick was just an exceptional athlete who was out of place at times on the football field, brilliant.


Wow, you don't stop the trolling huh?

Read the posts before you spew nonsense onto the boards.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-19-2008, 03:00 PM
OMG, don't show them proof of our shoddy offensive line in terms of run blocking! :eek:

Look, I'm no idiot. I know that there's more to a runningback than yards per carry, and ypc alone is not a great argument. But, I can't remember anyone else, in their third year, with the support Reggie has had around him, with all the Saints weapons on offense, a top-5 QB, receivers that can get open downfield and move the chains, and before this year(and part of year 2), another RB to take pressure off, struggle so damn much. If anyone can come up with any other evidence of a runningback unable to get to 4 ypc despite having a great passing game and never facing eight man fronts, while another RB on his own team is easily doing it(despite the fact that Deuce McAllister has been past his career prime since Bush came into the league), in his third year and then turn it around, then that would certainly lend validity to the chance of him stopping his suckage.

The Unseen
09-19-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm a Reggie Bush critic, but he should be kept at RB. What if the reason he's successful as a pass catcher is because LBs can cover him out of the backfield, thus taking advantages of mismatches? I'm not against lining him up in the slot now and then, but it's not like good at backfield pass catching = good at wide out pass catching. Besides, he's not a bad runner.

Bruce
09-19-2008, 03:32 PM
Look, I'm no idiot. I know that there's more to a runningback than yards per carry, and ypc alone is not a great argument. But, I can't remember anyone else, in their third year, with the support Reggie has had around him, with all the Saints weapons on offense, a top-5 QB, receivers that can get open downfield and move the chains, and before this year(and part of year 2), another RB to take pressure off, struggle so damn much. If anyone can come up with any other evidence of a runningback unable to get to 4 ypc despite having a great passing game and never facing eight man fronts, while another RB on his own team is easily doing it(despite the fact that Deuce McAllister has been past his career prime since Bush came into the league), in his third year and then turn it around, then that would certainly lend validity to the chance of him stopping his suckage.

What's he supposed to do with this?

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee334/blackandgold91/Oline3.jpg

But hey, he hit the hole!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee334/blackandgold91/Oline5.jpg

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-19-2008, 03:43 PM
My bad Bruce, I forgot the Saints are the only team that ever misses a block.

Bruce
09-19-2008, 03:50 PM
My bad Bruce, I forgot the Saints are the only team that ever misses a block.On a consistent basis, yes. Jim Brown couldn't average 4YPC with that o-line.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-19-2008, 04:00 PM
On a consistent basis, yes. Jim Brown couldn't average 4YPC with that o-line.

I somehow doubt that at his peak, Jim Brown couldn't get more than one tenth of a yard per carry more than Pierre Thomas.

CC.SD
09-19-2008, 04:03 PM
wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

Come on, this is not a great argument; watch Ted Cottrell's defense and tell me he knows what to do with talent...the guy is not blitzing while running a 3-4 defense! and he's been an NFL coach forever.

Reggie could definitely be used better. Coaches are NOT infallible. In fact sometimes they are extremely mistaken.

In all though, they really could just beef up their O-line. It's not like Reggie's forgotten how to run, watch his college tapes...when he gets daylight he is undeniable. In New Orleans, he could use a whole lot more daylight.

Bruce
09-19-2008, 04:08 PM
I somehow doubt that at his peak, Jim Brown couldn't get more than one tenth of a yard per carry more than Pierre Thomas.How much do you actually know about the Saints other than Reggie can't get more than 3.6 YPC?

CC.SD
09-19-2008, 04:12 PM
How much do you actually know about the Saints other than Reggie can't get more than 3.6 YPC?

Well, he'd love to be in that number when they come marching in, that's for damn sure.

Bruce
09-19-2008, 04:26 PM
Well, he'd love to be in that number when they come marching in, that's for damn sure.And just to clarify i'm not trying to question his intelligence. I was just wondering how much he knew about the team around him. A RB can only do so much.

Flyboy
09-19-2008, 04:49 PM
And just to clarify i'm not trying to question his intelligence. I was just wondering how much he knew about the team around him. A RB can only do so much.

That's all I'm saying as well. Lot of people that speak out against the Saints don't even know much about the team in general. I'm not questioning Cutler's intelligence because I know he's one of the best posters on here, but still.


Let's take the play that won against TB in Week One for example.. that play was deemed a kill by Brees at the LOS, Reggie started in the backfield and then took a swing pass for the game-winning TD. You move him to WR you kill what makes him the player that he is: versatility.

comahan
09-19-2008, 04:56 PM
Yep, Reggie is pretty horrible.

CC.SD
09-19-2008, 05:07 PM
Yep, Reggie is pretty horrible.

Epic victory.

Vox Populi
09-19-2008, 05:57 PM
Who in here honestly thought that Reggie Bush was going to be a running back like most others? It's ridiculous to even be comparing Peterson to Bush, cause they're completely different players. It's like comparing Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger to Michael Vick. No where near the same type of players, even though they play the same position. One has all the prototypical tools you'd want in that position, and the other has crazy athleticism, which you can use in many different ways.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-19-2008, 06:08 PM
Who in here honestly thought that Reggie Bush was going to be a running back like most others?

Pretty much everyone on this forum.

P-L
09-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Maybe Saints fans should explain to us why since 2006 Deuce McAllister has averaged 4.3 yards per carry, Pierre Thomas has averaged 4.6 yards per carry, and Reggie Bush has averaged 3.6 yards per carry behind the SAME offensive line.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-19-2008, 06:13 PM
That's all I'm saying as well. Lot of people that speak out against the Saints don't even know much about the team in general. I'm not questioning Cutler's intelligence because I know he's one of the best posters on here, but still.


Let's take the play that won against TB in Week One for example.. that play was deemed a kill by Brees at the LOS, Reggie started in the backfield and then took a swing pass for the game-winning TD. You move him to WR you kill what makes him the player that he is: versatility.

I'll admit I don't know too much about the Saints, but I do know that a passing game should be taking pressure off of the running game, and the Saints do have one.

As for the second paragraph, that's what I was hoping this thread would generate. Similar to an earlier post by Twiddler and I think someone else. That's definitely a very valid argument, as DBs would probably be able to stick to him better than an average LB and he would probably lose some of his long receptions, like the one against the Bears in the NFCCG wouldn't have happened if he was split out wide.

smittyjs
09-19-2008, 07:19 PM
Reggie bush needs to watch Chris johnson play and takes some notes :) LOL

Saints-Tigers
09-19-2008, 08:07 PM
Maybe Saints fans should explain to us why since 2006 Deuce McAllister has averaged 4.3 yards per carry, Pierre Thomas has averaged 4.6 yards per carry, and Reggie Bush has averaged 3.6 yards per carry behind the SAME offensive line.

Well, Reggie was horrible the first half of his rookie year running the football, wasn't really a line issue, that was more on him. he turned it on the second half, he seemed to get it, then we go into year two....

The Saints line regresses immensely, Deuce puts up 24 carries for 92 yards in 3 games before blowing his knee out, and Reggie also couldn't run, we tried running out of to many single back sets, and running stupid trick plays.

So the running game continues to struggle for the year, Reggie gets injured, and so does Jeff Faine, bringing in Jonathan Goodwin, a superior run blocker, and for the last few games where it was Stecker and Thomas, the offense was simplified to I-Form runs, the kind that Reggie and Deuce excelled behind during the end of Reggie's rookie season.

Look, I don't give a damn about Reggie Bush, I don't have any money invested in him, and I wasn't a fan before he got to the Saints, I'll call out any player that isn't performing, and Reggie has his issues too, but he's not the real problem here, running plays are being blown up because of penetration into the middle, wacky playcalling, and misuse of personnel....

Deuce will be the only guy we have that can do anything here, because you have to be able to break a tackle as soon as the ball is handed to you to make anything right now. That's fine and all, but we won't be able to run the ball consistently until some changes are made on the line(bring in Carl Nicks), and more plays are called directly behind a fullback.

Reggie can't run between the tackles? No one can on the Saints, there's nothing there, the whole interior line seems to just collapse :-/

BamaFalcon59
09-19-2008, 09:00 PM
I don't buy the Reggie hype at any position. Fact is that he has had 336 career regular season rushing attempts and only 3 carries of 20 yards or more. That is pathetic, even if he was considered a bruiser lacking speed. For a guy considered electric, that is even worse. He has a career yard per carry of 3.6. Don't give the 'bad offensive line' excuse. There has been blocking, and less athletically gifted runners have done more with less. For comparisons sake, Rudi Johnson, one of the least athletically gifted runners in the NFL, had 16 carries of over 20 yards between 2003 and 2006, on 1,254 carries. That is a significantly better ratio than Bush's.

Also alarming is Bush's ability to make the huge play. He has a career long regular season rush of 26 yards. 26. And he is considered one of the most electrifying players in the league?

And yeah, he catches a lot of passes. But again, most of the time they don't turn into much. He can make the first guy miss most of the time, but that is usually it. 5 career regular season receiving touchdowns on 176 career regular season pass receptions. Those are Keyshawn Johnson numbers!

ATLDirtyBirds
09-19-2008, 09:04 PM
You've got to be kidding me with posting pictures of the OL breaking down. Really? The Saints OL isn't bad, and you won't find a team in the league that doesn't miss a block, or doesn't pick up a run blitz.

Saints-Tigers
09-19-2008, 10:31 PM
You've got to be kidding me with posting pictures of the OL breaking down. Really? The Saints OL isn't bad, and you won't find a team in the league that doesn't miss a block, or doesn't pick up a run blitz.

It's true though, the run blocking has been pretty horrendous, Jammal Brown is the only one that is really reliable, Jahri Evans is most of the time, but the rest are pretty awful at it. Stinchcomb is downright awful, I don't even know why he is on the field, he must be a really great guy.

For the record, they aren't all that hot as pass blockers either, Brees still gets pressured a lot up the middle far too much, but he's great at sliding out of the way, and getting rid of the ball really quickly.

It's almost the exact opposite of the Aaron Brooks era, where we couldn't pass block to save our lives, but we were pretty damn good in the run game.... we could use a LeCharles Bentley and Kendyl Jacox opening up running lanes again.

It is kind of stupid to post a few pictures, but those pictures are basically our running game in a nut shell, everything is forced to the outside, or you run into a pile of defenders....

Philly has it right with Brian Westbrook, they built up a massive offensive line that allows him to get some speed going and not be forced into trying to avoid and break tackles in the backfield. Reggie needs something similar. Nobody can succeed when getting blown up in the backfield, but Reggie is a guy that will struggle even more in that role, but if you can keep the first linemen off of him, and let him get to the second level with some room to run, he's dangerous.

trkaline
09-19-2008, 11:28 PM
Ahh Reggie Bush the Kordell Stewart of running backs...

Bruce
09-20-2008, 12:43 AM
As for the second paragraph, that's what I was hoping this thread would generate. Similar to an earlier post by Twiddler and I think someone else. That's definitely a very valid argument, as DBs would probably be able to stick to him better than an average LB and he would probably lose some of his long receptions, like the one against the Bears in the NFCCG wouldn't have happened if he was split out wide.Not really a fan of the Saints but living in the South I kind of follow them and Reggie rarely runs a WR route longer than 10 yards. Against Washington Of Reggies 10 runs 9 came on 1st down. The other on 2nd and 3, and he got the 1st. Makes it easy to stop the run when you know the run is coming. I lay that on Payton.

The Saints OL isn't bad
Go on any Saints board and see for yourself. Hell just click on any of the 3 links I provided.

LT-Jammal Brown-Overrated and gets beat a lot which leads to tons of holding penalties. Belongs on the right side.

LG-Jamar Nesbit-Not overrated because he isn't very good. Average at best and the only reason he's starting is because Nicks isn't ready.

C-Jonathan Goodwin-The 2 fantastic games he filled in for Faine last years was very deceptive and deceitful. He's average at best and gets NO push. In fact he gets pushed back a lot more.

RG-Jahri Evans-Mauler, no way around it. Pro Bowler this year and sure to get an extension. Had probably his worst game of his career against Washington. He'll bounce back.

RT-John Stinchcomb-Horrid, horrible, just awful. Gets beat every other play. He wouldn't start on most teams.

Saints-Tigers
09-20-2008, 01:08 AM
That's another thing, Reggie has always done his best when he gets enough carries to get something going, especially when he is still getting the rock late in the game when the defense is worn down. 10 carries isn't going to accomplish a whole lot really.

Agreed with Bruce, I think Brown is fine though, but everything else is spot on. I really thought Goodwin was the answer after last years two games, but he looks as pathetic as Faine to start this season.

Carl Nicks at RT, and Duke Robinson at LG, go out and get a mauling C, and I'll be happy :D

ATLDirtyBirds
09-20-2008, 07:17 AM
Not really a fan of the Saints but living in the South I kind of follow them and Reggie rarely runs a WR route longer than 10 yards. Against Washington Of Reggies 10 runs 9 came on 1st down. The other on 2nd and 3, and he got the 1st. Makes it easy to stop the run when you know the run is coming. I lay that on Payton.


Go on any Saints board and see for yourself. Hell just click on any of the 3 links I provided.

LT-Jammal Brown-Overrated and gets beat a lot which leads to tons of holding penalties. Belongs on the right side.

LG-Jamar Nesbit-Not overrated because he isn't very good. Average at best and the only reason he's starting is because Nicks isn't ready.

C-Jonathan Goodwin-The 2 fantastic games he filled in for Faine last years was very deceptive and deceitful. He's average at best and gets NO push. In fact he gets pushed back a lot more.

RG-Jahri Evans-Mauler, no way around it. Pro Bowler this year and sure to get an extension. Had probably his worst game of his career against Washington. He'll bounce back.

RT-John Stinchcomb-Horrid, horrible, just awful. Gets beat every other play. He wouldn't start on most teams.


Find me any team, maybe minus the Vikings, Pats, Dallas, SD, and maybe another couple that doesn't complain about their line.

Bruce
09-20-2008, 09:56 AM
Find me any team, maybe minus the Vikings, Pats, Dallas, SD, and maybe another couple that doesn't complain about their line.In turn find me any team besides The Vikes, SD, Philly, Pitt, with a more dynamic and versatile back.

He can't do **** because of the O-line.

BamaFalcon59
09-20-2008, 10:01 AM
In turn find me any team besides The Vikes, SD, Philly, Pitt, with a more dynamic and versatile back.

He can't do **** because of the O-line.

Are you serious? You must not know Jerious.
Wow, that was lame. But it did rhyme nicely.

Bruce
09-20-2008, 10:17 AM
Are you serious? You must not know Jerious.
Wow, that was lame. But it did rhyme nicely.If you mean Norwood, eh, he's ok. Nothing special. Turner>Norwood easy.

BamaFalcon59
09-20-2008, 10:20 AM
Well, obviously Turner is better. But Norwood is something special, one of the most electrifying and explosive backs in the league. 6.1 career yard per carry, over 9 yards a catch and all his receptions come out of the backfield.

I was just responding to your 'name a back question'. And it is easy to forget that he has a 6.1 yard per carry despite having a horrible offensive line, especially last year, where Warrick Dunn had less than half the yards per carry at 3.0.

Bruce
09-20-2008, 12:36 PM
Well, obviously Turner is better. But Norwood is something special, one of the most electrifying and explosive backs in the league. 6.1 career yard per carry, over 9 yards a catch and all his receptions come out of the backfield.

I was just responding to your 'name a back question'. And it is easy to forget that he has a 6.1 yard per carry despite having a horrible offensive line, especially last year, where Warrick Dunn had less than half the yards per carry at 3.0.Well, from what you've said I certainly should add him to that list. The only question I have is how many carries does he get compared to the other back?

Shiver
09-20-2008, 12:48 PM
If it 'aint broke, don't fix it. That old adage applies here. Reggie Bush is probably the most dynamic pass catching RB in the NFL. If he consistently gets 10 carries for 40 yards and 7 catches for 70 yards then the Saints will take that every week. He may not be Marshall Faulk or Gale Sayers, like he once was compared to, but he is productive in his current offensive role.

Bruce
09-20-2008, 01:01 PM
If it 'aint broke, don't fix it. That old adage applies here. Reggie Bush is probably the most dynamic pass catching RB in the NFL. If he consistently gets 10 carries for 40 yards and 7 catches for 70 yards then the Saints will take that every week. He may not be Marshall Faulk or Gale Sayers, like he once was compared to, but he is productive in his current offensive role.I think one of the biggest problems is people look at reggies YPC instead of his total yards. That's what Reggie does, he's a total yards kind of player. That's his game.

Saints-Tigers
09-20-2008, 03:20 PM
Reggie is still the second most important player in our offense, as far as how we function and what opposing defensive coordinators gameplan for.

Look, if a player is playing like crap, I'll be the first to call them out, the first half of Reggie's rookie year I was pissed at his performance, the line was playing decently, and he was just blowing it. He got it together the second half, he gets it now, there are just no holes to run through anymore.

I don't have any stats or anything either, but I would bet YPC goes up as games wear on for most teams, but we run less as games go on, that doesn't help the YPC of our backs.

Bruce
09-21-2008, 07:20 PM
Reggie Bush 178 APY and 2 TD's.

Beast.

scottyboy
09-21-2008, 07:23 PM
Reggie Bush 178 APY and 2 TD's.

Beast.

but the OL sucks right? worst ever. HOF'ers couldn't average over 4 ypc with that OL right?

Bruce
09-21-2008, 07:29 PM
but the OL sucks right? worst ever. HOF'ers couldn't average over 4 ypc with that OL right?
Right. That's why they got him open space by him being a receiver.

NO had 88 yards rushing. So yeah, I was right.

CJSchneider
09-21-2008, 08:48 PM
but the OL sucks right? worst ever. HOF'ers couldn't average over 4 ypc with that OL right?

I won't say worst ever, but there is seriously some room for improvement. I will say that on a vast majority of the plays were Bush does poorly, it was because of a breakdown in the O-line and not poor execution on Bush's part.

Sniper
09-21-2008, 08:50 PM
Reggie Bush is probably the most dynamic pass catching RB in the NFL.

http://images.smarter.com/blogs/westbrook2.jpg

Well hi Brian.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-21-2008, 09:05 PM
Oh hey Ladainian wassup.

Sniper
09-21-2008, 09:10 PM
Oh hey Ladainian wassup.

Westbrook averages almost 2 more ypc in his career than Tomlinson...

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-21-2008, 09:13 PM
Westbrook averages almost 2 more ypc in his career than Tomlinson...

I wasn't so much saying that LDT is better than Westbrook, just that he's better than Bush, too.

Sniper
09-21-2008, 09:14 PM
I wasn't so much saying that LDT is better than Westbrook, just that he's better than Bush, too.

Gotcha.

Bush really needs an OL though. Maybe Kim Kardashian's ass can play tackle or something.

Saints-Tigers
09-21-2008, 09:39 PM
Looks to only get worse with Jammal Brown going down, hope he's ok. Now we have 1 good linemen. Wonderful :-/

BlindSite
09-21-2008, 09:53 PM
I actually thought the back up LT was brilliant today.

Saints-Tigers
09-21-2008, 10:25 PM
He played ok, but how long does that last? hopefully long enough to bench stinchcomb :D

Flyboy
09-22-2008, 10:18 AM
but the OL sucks right? worst ever. HOF'ers couldn't average over 4 ypc with that OL right?

3rd and 1 against Washington - couldn't convert.

4th and goal against Denver - couldn't convert.
3rd and 1 against Denver - couldn't convert.

PT, Bush, Deuce, LT, Peterson.. whoever you want to name couldn't have gotten that yard. I blame that partially for the offensive line being bad at run blocking (like it's been mentioned before) and Sean Payton leaving the backside unblocked.