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Geo
09-23-2008, 01:54 AM
I guess I'll start it up again this week.

The '07 playoffs was a landmark moment for the Chargers. Yes, they won a playoff game for the first time in a decade or so and reached the AFC Championship Game. But more importantly, it featured the passing of the torch from LaDainian Tomlinson to ascending quarterback Phillip Rivers. Rivers is flourishing under Norv Turner as many thought he would, when the Chargers initially made the hire. The Chargers have changed, they are now Rivers' team and look respective of Norv Turner rather than Marty Schottenheimer.

The Eagles defense was worst in the league, tied with Pittsburgh and Houston, in interceptions (11) last season. Free agent acquisition and playmaker Asante Samuel already has two interceptions.

Plus as far as I'm aware, Samuel has played well in coverage thus far. But please dumbass talking heads at ESPN, continue to tell us how it's not Samuel, it's the Patriots' system.

The Titans will make Albert Haynesworth the highest-paid DT in the league. Some sight it is when, on occassion, Haynesworth lines up at DE and Vanden Bosh lines up at DT. I'm sure the left tackle's eyes get wider whenever he sees that.

The Broncos starting 3-0, thanks to stellar offense and some lucky breaks, reminds me somewhat of 2006 when they started 5-1 thanks to stellar defense. Let's see if they can sustain this.

Blasphemous as it may be to say, I don't think the Chargers lose a step when Darren Sproles replaces LaDainian Tomlinson. It's actually a gain imo, Sproles is even more dynamic and explosive. The one caveat being the passing game, where LDT is so accomplished as both a receiver (still very potent in this regard) as well as a pass protector for the quarterback.

Eagles' '06 1st round pick DT Brodrick Bunkley didn't play a lick as a rookie, meanwhile the Eagles were 26th in the league in run defense (136.4 ypg and 4.5 ypc). Since becoming a starter from the start of '07, the Eagles dramatically improved to 7th best in the league at 95.8 ypg and 3.8 ypc. So far this season, they are first in the league with 45.7 ypg and 2.4 ypc after having played the Rams, Cowboys, and Steelers. Just maybe the big man is a part of that.

Keep burying the Colts, pile that dirt and say farewell. Just know that the coffin will be empty if you check it later.

The losing team that most impressed me this week is the Bengals. They put up a much better fight against the defending Super Bowl champs, at Giants Stadium, than I anticipated. Without their best corner Jonathan Joseph and Dexter Jackson playing, they took the game into overtime where they unfortunately lost. But that showed me some real character and grit, which is good to see from the Bengals.

Reggie Bush has scored four total touchdowns, meanwhile the Houston Texans have scored three touchdowns. Trumpet that matter of early fact, ignorant haters.

The Dallas Cowboys look like the best team in the league. They handled the Packers well this Sunday night, who proved they didn't need Brett Favre for them to continue losing to the Cowboys. Although maybe the Packers tweak a few things differently next time to their benefit, should they meet again in the postseason.

Discuss and share.

diabsoule
09-23-2008, 02:07 AM
I agree with everything you have said, Geo. If you don't mind, sir, I will add a few thoughts of my own.

While I should say I have been surprised by the Eagles play, I halfway expected it. I thought their offseason was highly underrated and as long as Donovan McNabb stays healthy I think they have a better chance than most of representing the NFC in the Super Bowl.

Dallas looks amazing. Everything is clicking for this time right now. Philadelphia gave them a hell of a fight but the 'Boys ended up pulling away in the end. Right now, I don't see a team capable of hanging with them, although I'm sure one will step up.

After two games it seems I have overrated Matt Cassel. There was a time when I thought he was a good backup quarterback and could be the next Matt Schaub but his play over the past two games has shown that he is nothing more than mediocre.

Reggie Bush finally seems like he is coming into his own. While I don't see him being the next coming of Marshall Faulk or Barry Sanders, he is a very dangerous weapon when giving space. He has shown tremendous growth and vision in these past three games and I am starting to warm up to him, although I am one of his harshest critics. The only thing holding him, and the Saints, back is their lack of run blocking. After their bye week I expect to see some changes in the Saints offensive line personnel. Carl Nicks should replace Jamar Nesbit at LG and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Zach Strief is the new starting RT. Something has to be done so that the Saints can get a running game established.

While I have said what I did about Reggie Bush, I think Darren Sproles is the most explosive and dynamic back in the NFL right now. He's dangerous every time he touches the ball and I would say that he is one of the most important players on the Chargers team right now.

Don't look now but at this rate the Atlanta Falcons could be your 2008 NFC South Champions. The lackluster play of the Saints has put a serious dent in my faith in them clinching the division title this year. I really think it's going to come down between the Falcons and Panthers. *shakes head*

Speaking of the Falcons, Michael Turner and Matt Ryan are the real deals. I watched the Falcons/Chiefs game this Sunday and love Turner's running ability. He continually gets 1-5 more yards after initial contact and is a load to bring down. Ryan is showing the maturity of a grizzeld veteran out there and you can tell that he just exudes confidence. If the Falcons can get a legitimate TE and a few more pieces on D I can see them being very strong contenders.

The Buffalo Bills are on track to make the playoffs and the Jets are not. So far my prediction about that is coming true.

Detroit is a mess and it wouldn't surprise if they don't clean house this year.

I have really liked the way the Pittsburgh Steelers have looked. They are going to be a lot tougher this year than people give them credit for.

Minnesota has got to solve their QB problem sooner than later. Sure, the ageless Gus Frerotte won them a football game but he won't win many more. I don't know about trading for a QB this year (unless its Jeff Garcia) but the Vikings need to be very aggressive in trying to get a QB in the offseason. Whether it's going after FA's Alex Smith or J.P. Losman or trying to trade for Matt Leinart (Geo's idea originally) they have got to do something before their team gets any older. With the right QB, they could be extremely dangerous.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-23-2008, 02:08 AM
All the chatter coming from ESPN these days is saying how much the Patriots miss Asante Samuel. Just saying.

Geo
09-23-2008, 02:10 AM
They sure as **** weren't saying that during the offseason. But that makes sense, the "worldwide leader" doesn't know anything so they eventually have to say everything.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-23-2008, 02:17 AM
They sure as **** weren't saying that during the offseason. But that makes sense, the "worldwide leader" doesn't know anything so they eventually have to say everything.

Plus, it's pretty easy to knock the "Patriot System" when it gets rocked by a Miami Dolphins team running a 70 year old offense.

By the way, I agree with you on the Colts. Of all the teams that could conceivably pull it all together suddenly, I think they are easily the best bet.

As for the Haynesworth thing, he's definitely going to get the highest contract of any defensive tackle ever. The question is, how bloated is it going to have to be for the Titans to keep him from hitting the open market in the first place?

BlindSite
09-23-2008, 02:35 AM
I don't have time this week to do my own thing so I'll post some things I had in mind.

Dallas Cowboys are brilliant, but Tony Romo shouldn't be considered an elite QB. I've seen the last two of his three games so far this season and in every one of them he's made at least two bone head plays that would cost the team a game in a closer match up. While right now no one is even close to the cowboys the playoffs seem to have a way of leveling the playing field for some teams. If Romo keeps throwing stupid interceptions and continues to have struggles hanging on to the ball I can see the cowboys being extremely frustrated with him some time this year. Sure he produces a heck of a lot and it just might be a fair trade off, but at times he looks very prone to stupidity.

Gus Ferotte didn't so much win Minnesota the game as Antoine Winfield did. Carolina had an average first half and seemed to break down in the second, Winfield coming untouched off the corner giving the vikings 6 on a fumble recovery lead to a lot of dropped heads, which is something Fox needs to fix.

Atlanta has so far beat 2 of the worst teams in the NFL, their other big game will be against St Louis and that's probably about it. Its nice to think they'll be able to keep pace with the Panthers and the Buccs, but their schedule includes:

Panthers
Greenbay
Chicago
Philly
Oakland
New Orleans
Denver
Carolina
San Diego
New Orleans
Tampa
Minnesota
St Louis

of those teams maybe they'll beat Oakland, and San Francisco, I can't see them beating anyone else.

soybean
09-23-2008, 03:08 AM
Plus, it's pretty easy to knock the "Patriot System" when it gets rocked by a Miami Dolphins team running a 70 year old offense.



id like to see reggie bush in that "70 year old offense"

CC.SD
09-23-2008, 05:31 AM
I would just like to second your thoughts on Rivers, because he is deadly as all hell at the QB position and created an explosive offense just as the great San Diego Nightmare (LT being hurt) struck.

Sniper
09-23-2008, 06:12 AM
The Eagles defense was worst in the league, tied with Pittsburgh and Houston, in interceptions (11) last season. Free agent acquisition and playmaker Asante Samuel already has two interceptions.

Plus as far as I'm aware, Samuel has played well in coverage thus far. But please dumbass talking heads at ESPN, continue to tell us how it's not Samuel, it's the Patriots' system.

Samuel's been awesome. I can't remember him being beat for a big play yet. He's got two picks (and should have had a pick 6 against the Rams) and 6 PD so far. <3 Samuel.


Eagles' '06 1st round pick DT Brodrick Bunkley didn't play a lick as a rookie, meanwhile the Eagles were 26th in the league in run defense (136.4 ypg and 4.5 ypc). Since becoming a starter from the start of '07, the Eagles dramatically improved to 7th best in the league at 95.8 ypg and 3.8 ypc. So far this season, they are first in the league with 45.7 ypg and 2.4 ypc after having played the Rams, Cowboys, and Steelers. Just maybe the big man is a part of that.

He's a huge part of that. He's been playing so well. He is commanding double teams, leaving players like Stewart Bradley to come up and play the run. It's working really well. Like you said, Philly's played the Rams, Cowboys, and Steelers. Last I checked, Steven Jackson, Marion Barber and Willie Parker are pretty damn good backs :)

Reggie Bush has scored four total touchdowns, meanwhile the Houston Texans have scored three touchdowns. Trumpet that matter of early fact, ignorant haters.

His yards per carry average still sucks (3.6), but as I have said in the past, get him an OL and watch that skyrocket. 9.6 yards per catch is pretty damn good though.

The Dallas Cowboys look like the best team in the league. They handled the Packers well this Sunday night, who proved they didn't need Brett Favre for them to continue losing to the Cowboys. Although maybe the Packers tweak a few things differently next time to their benefit, should they meet again in the postseason.

Yes they do. Whether they can do it with all the chips on the line, however, still needs to be determined.

B-Dawk
09-23-2008, 07:43 AM
i love what samuel has been doing thus far, but the man can not tackle worth two shits

princefielder28
09-23-2008, 08:19 AM
I think props need to go out to John Harbaugh for the Ravens 2-0 start

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 08:30 AM
I think Tennessee is a potential SB caliber team out of the AFC.


The SB representative from the NFC will come from the East, with 3 legit SB teams in the division.

Even with their slow start, the AFC is the Charger's conference to lose.

Ben Roethlisberger still doesn't read defenses.

Baltimore is slept on.

Michael Turner is a better and more productive RB than LDT.

Like you said, the torch has been passed to Rivers.

21ST
09-23-2008, 08:36 AM
People also should stop sleeping on the redskins because they are only going to get better as the season goes on

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 08:41 AM
People also should stop sleeping on the redskins because they are only going to get better as the season goes on

i agree.

if they were in any other division, they probably make the playoffs. theyre a 10-6 caliber team, that will finish below that record bc they play in the East.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 09:16 AM
NFC East is 10-2 and those two loses were playing each other in the division..

LonghornsLegend
09-23-2008, 09:25 AM
I agree with what everyone said about the Falcons and what they have in place, they have a nice foundation, how has Sam Baker looked so far though? I wasn't sure he was a franchise LT but it sure has looked like Ryan had all day to throw on some of those deep passes...Ryan, Turner, and Roddy are all legit guys to build around, like Diab said if they get a TE that can stretch the field and make plays they will be scary, I always thought had they drafted Bennett he would of been a perfect guy to develop into a #1 TE with his great mix of run blocking and athletic ability.



Samuel has great instincts, I think he can read a QB without having to follow the WR and where he goes, I didn't know how Philly would use him but they are using him to his strengths where he can face the QB and make plays for the most part...He's certainly earning that paycheck.


On the Titans I really see them as a SB contender also, that defense is legit and could be the best defense in the NFL this year, anytime you can hold teams under 20 pts a game and run the ball as well as they do, you have a chance to win every game.

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 09:28 AM
I agree with what everyone said about the Falcons and what they have in place, they have a nice foundation, how has Sam Baker looked so far though? I wasn't sure he was a franchise LT but it sure has looked like Ryan had all day to throw on some of those deep passes...Ryan, Turner, and Roddy are all legit guys to build around, like Diab said if they get a TE that can stretch the field and make plays they will be scary, I always thought had they drafted Bennett he would of been a perfect guy to develop into a #1 TE with his great mix of run blocking and athletic ability.



Samuel has great instincts, I think he can read a QB without having to follow the WR and where he goes, I didn't know how Philly would use him but they are using him to his strengths where he can face the QB and make plays for the most part...He's certainly earning that paycheck.


On the Titans I really see them as a SB contender also, that defense is legit and could be the best defense in the NFL this year, anytime you can hold teams under 20 pts a game and run the ball as well as they do, you have a chance to win every game.

I loved Sam Baker. I felt he was very underrated coming in. Its good to see him do well.

Tennessee, from top to bottom, is loaded with underrated players on defense.

Race for the Heisman
09-23-2008, 09:50 AM
Two things:

1) I'm not ready to agree with you on Tomlinson/Sproles. LT has been poor, but I think his pedigree justifies a few more poor games before you can say Darren Sproles will step in with no to limited consequences.

2) Reggie Bush. Not to hate, but your statistic means nothing.

Geo
09-23-2008, 10:03 AM
Good things, I feel like I should follow up a bit:

1. I don't mean to take away from LDT as much as I want to acknowledge Sproles. When he is in the game, you notice it because he is explosive. Now could Sproles deliver 340 carries or so in a full season like LDT? Who knows, maybe not. I just know that, if you ignore the jerseys, the better player on the field just might be the dynamic Sproles.

2. It was partly a play on last year, when Mario Williams had more touchdowns than Reggie Bush after one or two games, and we had to hear about it from certain posters even though it's not much of a point.

But four total touchdowns in three games played by Bush is noteworthy imo. Now with Colston and Shockey out, plus maybe Patten too, he is going to be the offense versus San Francisco at home as they need to get to 2-2. Something the 49ers will be well aware of, I'm sure. Bush might have at least one spy on him the entire game.

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 10:09 AM
until Bush learns how to run between the tackles, he'll forever be a glorified scatback.

Geo
09-23-2008, 10:10 AM
He didn't run between the tackles on his 23-yard touchdown run?

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 10:13 AM
one run.

how about the other billion times when he gets stuffed?

the man is a dynamic athlete, but he was drafted to be more than he is. let's call a spade a spade. he has to do a lot more than he's done the past 3 games for him to validate his status.

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 10:18 AM
That run between the tackles stuff is such garbage. How hard do you think it is to run through an open hole? Too bad we don't have those. Pierre Thomas runs between the tackles, and he has 12 carries for 23 yards in the last two games, 20 coming on 2 runs.

All of Reggie's best runs are between the tackles when an actual hole opens up, but I wouldn't expect anyone that doesn't watch to know that :-/

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 10:19 AM
The thing with Bush is that the hyped he got coming into the NFL, people, and the media expected basically an Adrian Peterson type impact to the league. Instead they got a guy who has gotten hurt and has not reached anywhere close to his hype or pay. That's an issue, people will always judge him by the hype he got. That's what makes a bust a bust. You get a certain degree of hype, and when you fail to deliver or meet that hype, it's not good. Right now, he is still a young player, but he has prove something, that he was worth all that hype coming into the NFL.

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 10:22 AM
That run between the tackles stuff is such garbage. How hard do you think it is to run through an open hole? Too bad we don't have those. Pierre Thomas runs between the tackles, and he has 12 carries for 23 yards in the last two games, 20 coming on 2 runs.

All of Reggie's best runs are between the tackles when an actual hole opens up, but I wouldn't expect anyone that doesn't watch to know that :-/

Pierre Thomas isn't exactly a between the tackles guy himself...

anyway, im tired of the whole Reggie Bush debate.

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 10:24 AM
Pierre Thomas isn't exactly a between the tackles guy himself...

anyway, im tired of the whole Reggie Bush debate.

Then what is he?

Geo
09-23-2008, 10:25 AM
I still feel like Bush can be in a better fit in an offense, namely one with some zone-blocking. I should give that touchdown run another look, but from what I recall they might have been using some ZB there in the offensive line on that play. Which would be good to see, if Payton can use Bush better.

Hopefully he can get some shotgun draws, maybe even the strange stretch draw the Colts run at times and is very successful (I should break that down because I'm not sure why it's so successful as it is). Bush has serious speed and acceleration at his disposal, that's why I am fine with him bouncing some runs outside because he can beat so many players there.

But he and all the other Saints backs need to have holes to run through, as Saints-Tigers touched on. Thomas isn't between the tackles, BBD? Come on and just admit it, the Saints' run-blocking (from the OL) leaves too much to be desired.

Sniper
09-23-2008, 10:28 AM
I hope Reggie Bush doesn't re-sign in New Orleans and comes to Philly. Andy Reid's offense would make him un ******* believable.

MetSox17
09-23-2008, 10:31 AM
I hope Reggie Bush doesn't re-sign in New Orleans and comes to Philly. Andy Reid's offense would make him un ******* believable.

I'm sure Jason Garrett would be able to utilize him properly as well ;)

Sniper
09-23-2008, 10:33 AM
I'm sure Jason Garrett would be able to utilize him properly as well ;)

Indeed. Any team with a decent OL who values the RB as a pass catcher could make him unreal.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 10:34 AM
I'm sure Jason Garrett would be able to utilize him properly as well ;)

O yeah.. Well I am sure Gilbride... eh never mind, I don't think he would..

bantx
09-23-2008, 10:37 AM
I understand where yall are coming from with LT's situation but im just too stubborn to think about sproles replacing him or him passing the torch to Rivers, when people talk about the chargers people will always think Tomlinson and as long as hes on the team it will always be his team for me.

giantsfan
09-23-2008, 10:38 AM
O yeah.. Well I am sure Gilbride... eh never mind, I don't think he would..

Hopefully Gilbride gets fired or moves on after this season, and if he doesn't I'm going to plant kiddy porn in his office and then call 5 0 on his ass.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 10:41 AM
Hopefully Gilbride gets fired or moves on after this season, and if he doesn't I'm going to plant kiddy porn in his office and then call 5 0 on his ass.

He is not going anywhere, winning a superbowl cemented him with the fate of everyone in this staff. No way we'd make ELi and the rest of the offense learn a different system too.

giantsfan
09-23-2008, 10:42 AM
He is not going anywhere, winning a superbowl cemented him with the fate of everyone in this staff. No way we'd make ELi and the rest of the offense learn a different system too.

Kiddy porn it is then, someone find scotty, he's got a really good collection.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-23-2008, 10:56 AM
Fire Rob Ryan!

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 10:56 AM
I still feel like Bush can be in a better fit in an offense, namely one with some zone-blocking. I should give that touchdown run another look, but from what I recall they might have been using some ZB there in the offensive line on that play. Which would be good to see, if Payton can use Bush better.

Hopefully he can get some shotgun draws, maybe even the strange stretch draw the Colts run at times and is very successful (I should break that down because I'm not sure why it's so successful as it is). Bush has serious speed and acceleration at his disposal, that's why I am fine with him bouncing some runs outside because he can beat so many players there.

But he and all the other Saints backs need to have holes to run through, as Saints-Tigers touched on. Thomas isn't between the tackles, BBD? Come on and just admit it, the Saints' run-blocking (from the OL) leaves too much to be desired.


What running plays do the Saints use the most? Do you know what their bread and butter play is? I don't watch them as much.

trkaline
09-23-2008, 10:56 AM
No need to plant it im sure he already has some by the way he looks at Eli all time, during games you see a twinkle in his eye as he watches Eli taking hikes from the center...This is a job for Chris Hanson...dammit cant find no pictures of him...so plant this...http://www.photofeatures.com/hanson43.jpg

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 11:01 AM
What running plays do the Saints use the most? Do you know what their bread and butter play is? I don't watch them as much.

We run a lot of stuff just straight up the middle out of single back sets, but Nesbit, Goodwin, and especially Stinchcomb all get pushed around and our runners either run into a wall of defenders, or bounce outside. We also seem to only run on 1st and 10, or 3rd and 50.

There are a few tweaks we could make to jump start our run game, replacing Nesbit and Stinchcomb for Nicks and Strief would be a great start, and I think we could utilize Mike Karney a lot better, because if we can keep the first guy off of Reggie, and allow him to get into the second level, he can do a lot of damage.

I think there was a reason Sean Payton was passing game coordinator in Dallas.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-23-2008, 11:11 AM
We run a lot of stuff just straight up the middle out of single back sets, but Nesbit, Goodwin, and especially Stinchcomb all get pushed around and our runners either run into a wall of defenders, or bounce outside. We also seem to only run on 1st and 10, or 3rd and 50.

There are a few tweaks we could make to jump start our run game, replacing Nesbit and Stinchcomb for Nicks and Strief would be a great start, and I think we could utilize Mike Karney a lot better, because if we can keep the first guy off of Reggie, and allow him to get into the second level, he can do a lot of damage.

I think there was a reason Sean Payton was passing game coordinator in Dallas.



Well you can still run up the middle but it depends what the running concept it. Do you guys run ISO or Lead? Are you double teaming at the point of attack or drive blocking the guy in front of you? All this would easily explain what the heck is going on? For instance, I just completed my Rams breakdown against the Giants, and I saw we added two new concepts to our running game that worked very well. Again it all depends on what you guys run in terms of running plays.



Here is an example of the plays we added.


37 Power G


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Minion6990/Giants-Rams/37powerG.jpg




38 Power G with Derrick Ward


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Minion6990/Giants-Rams/38powerG2.jpg

Flyboy
09-23-2008, 11:25 AM
one run.

how about the other billion times when he gets stuffed?


How about the Saints actually start to run block better? :rolleyes:

IceKubes
09-23-2008, 11:40 AM
I don't know why people keep bringing up Bush in regards to the Texans, about the only two bright spots on the team right now are Mario Williams and.... Steve Slaton who in his second NFL game goes for 116 yards and a TD on 18 carries against one of the top defenses in the league. Feel free to bash away at the rest of the team though, its been ugly.

marks01234
09-23-2008, 11:44 AM
I stated last year that the best move for the Chargers was to trade LT and attempt to resign Michael Turner. I didn't dare bring the thought up on the Chargers board and got blasted by almost everybody on this board. There is really only so many hits a running back can take (most RBs at least) and LT is very close to that number as it stands now.

Reggie Bush is an average NFL running back. I'm sure that the Texans are losing sleep over him every day now since he is scoring all of these TDs. Meanwhile, Mario Williams is argueably the best DE and defensive player in the league. Even if Reggie Bush was having an Adrian Peterson type impact for the Saints (and he is clearly not), the smart choice would have still been to take Mario. The Saints have totally redone there entire system to work around Reggie (probably at the Drew Brees and a few other players' expense), while the Texans having been using Mario to fill any holes they can find (playing him at DT, dropping him into coverage, etc.).

As valuable as an elite running back is, they are not near the value of a franchise QB, DE or LT. That's a fact.

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 12:06 PM
I stated last year that the best move for the Chargers was to trade LT and attempt to resign Michael Turner. I didn't dare bring the thought up on the Chargers board and got blasted by almost everybody on this board. There is really only so many hits a running back can take (most RBs at least) and LT is very close to that number as it stands now.

Reggie Bush is an average NFL running back. I'm sure that the Texans are losing sleep over him every day now since he is scoring all of these TDs. Meanwhile, Mario Williams is argueably the best DE and defensive player in the league. Even if Reggie Bush was having an Adrian Peterson type impact for the Saints (and he is clearly not), the smart choice would have still been to take Mario. The Saints have totally redone there entire system to work around Reggie (probably at the Drew Brees and a few other players' expense), while the Texans having been using Mario to fill any holes they can find (playing him at DT, dropping him into coverage, etc.).

As valuable as an elite running back is, they are not near the value of a franchise QB, DE or LT. That's a fact.

That's bull, we don't even use his ability as a receiver downfield, he's a dump off guy, and he's definitely not used well as a runner.

BNad
09-23-2008, 12:08 PM
Yeah.... I don't think anything is being done at Drew Brees' expense in the Saints offense. Or wait, do you think he should be throwing for 600 yards a game?

Flyboy
09-23-2008, 12:10 PM
The Saints have totally redone there entire system to work around Reggie (probably at the Drew Brees and a few other players' expense)..


*puts head in hands*

Ignorant people make me lawlz.

bigbluedefense
09-23-2008, 01:52 PM
How about the Saints actually start to run block better? :rolleyes:

Run blocking is surely a problem, i don't question that. but Reggie's lack of vision isn't helping much either. he has improved in that area, but still not where he needs it to be.


I can see the ZBS as stated previously potentially working, but is Reggie patient enough to thrive in that system? I don't know. You have to be committed to making that one cut and thats it. I don't think Reggie would be committed to that. If he is though, then yeah, i guess that can work.

Then what is he?

To be honest, Im just not a fan of Thomas's. He's the look like Tarzan play like Jane type to me.

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 01:59 PM
I always thought it was the opposite with Thomas, he plays a lot more powerfully than he looks. I've never been a huge fan of his like a lot of people here though, when he had that big game last year in a loss, during a meaningless game, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I did like the playcalling for he and Stecker though, and we'd do fine if we went back to that.

I agree for the most part, I think Reggie has a lot of room to improve, but I think he's a fine runner right now, he'll take some lumps, but he's explosive enough to make up for them. I think blocking is the biggest issue though, and it's hard to get anything going as a running back.

Play calling isn't helping either right now, we give up on running the ball too much IMO. They say Reggie can't carry the ball 20 times a game, but that's when he looks best, when he's in the 17-20 range, and getting the ball as the D is wearing down. Too many times we see Reggie get 11 carries in the first half, and 3 or so in the second half.

I think he'll be fine, we just need to simplify things, and use what personnel we have. We have some real maulers sitting on the bench, and we have probably the best blocking FB in the game, and he's not being used enough as a lead blocker. I think the second half of the Denver game is a good example of how we should run the ball. I think Reggie was averaging like 2 yards per carry in the first half, and ended at just over 4, and a lot of it was due to the way we were running the ball...

ATLDirtyBirds
09-23-2008, 02:00 PM
Michael Turner and John Abraham have been spectacular. Sam Baker has been very good. Jamaal Anderson is still terrible. Michael Boley hasn't been great like last year thus far. Matt Ryan has looked very good for a rookie minus the first half vs. the Bucs. Lawyer Milloy is still a very good in the box SS. Jonathan Babineaux is becoming a very nice UT. That's the word on the Falcons.

diabsoule
09-23-2008, 02:10 PM
Michael Turner and John Abraham have been spectacular. Sam Baker has been very good. Jamaal Anderson is still terrible. Michael Boley hasn't been great like last year thus far. Matt Ryan has looked very good for a rookie minus the first half vs. the Bucs. Lawyer Milloy is still a very good in the box SS. Jonathan Babineaux is becoming a very nice UT. That's the word on the Falcons.

How's Stephen Nicholas looking?

Menardo75
09-23-2008, 02:54 PM
of those teams maybe they'll beat Oakland, and San Francisco, I can't see them beating anyone else.

You don't play San Francisco. Yeah great post Geo I agree with everything you said.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-23-2008, 03:03 PM
How's Stephen Nicholas looking?


He's all set to be Brooking's replacement when he's done as a Falcon. And if we take a business approach, that should be soon.

diabsoule
09-23-2008, 03:11 PM
He's all set to be Brooking's replacement when he's done as a Falcon. And if we take a business approach, that should be soon.

He was one of my favorite prospects a couple years ago. He put up beastly numbers while in college.

BlindSite
09-23-2008, 05:15 PM
You don't play San Francisco. Yeah great post Geo I agree with everything you said.
That was atlanta's schedule.

Go_Eagles77
09-23-2008, 05:32 PM
i love what samuel has been doing thus far, but the man can not tackle worth two shits

Are you watching the same player I am? I was just thinking on Sunday how good he has looked against the run, he's a complete CB IMO, covers very well, awesome ball skills, and a solid tackler. I can't recall one time someone has broken a tackle on him this season.

jth1331
09-23-2008, 05:39 PM
Bush, IMO, is best when used as he was this past Sunday. There were specific plays designed to get him the ball in the passing game. Passes out in the flat.
He isn't going to be a guy who will get a ton of carries for a ton of rushing yards, but he will be a threat to break it every time he touches it.

Also, Broncos offense, I'm loving it.

Babylon
09-23-2008, 05:58 PM
Too early to crown a clear cut favorite for the #1 pick but Vegas would probably be all over the Chiefs. Rams, Bengals and Lions beg to differ. I think the Rams and Bengals will stumble to a couple of wins and the Lions usually have a short stretch where they win 2 of 3 or 3 of 4. Bottom line the Chiefs are on the clock.

yourfavestoner
09-23-2008, 08:02 PM
I told you about LT, Geo. I told you.

You're right about the Colts, too. They're gonna barely sneak into the playoffs and all of a sudden they'll be "the team that nobody wants to play in round one."

Geo
09-23-2008, 08:27 PM
Yourfavestoner, Soothsayer Supreme. :D

scottyboy
09-23-2008, 08:31 PM
Kiddy porn it is then, someone find scotty, he's got a really good collection.

wait? what the ****?

scottyboy
09-23-2008, 08:33 PM
oh, and I so called the Ravens being kinda good. Raymell Rice has just willed them to their 2-0 start, carrying them on those juicy thighs of his

princefielder28
09-23-2008, 08:37 PM
oh, and I so called the Ravens being kinda good. Raymell Rice has just willed them to their 2-0 start, carrying them on those juicy thighs of his

Their first big test comes on Monday against Pittsburgh; there's no question the talent is there defensively but will Flacco be able to manage the offense enough to put up points against some of the league's elite.

scottyboy
09-23-2008, 08:40 PM
Their first big test comes on Monday against Pittsburgh; there's no question the talent is there defensively but will Flacco be able to manage the offense enough to put up points against some of the league's elite.

we all know the real reason Hampton is out is because he doesn't want to get embarassed by Raymell. quite understandable.

But I too am quite interested in seeing how well Flacco does under what should be some pressure(ie mister Woodley)

Sniper
09-23-2008, 08:43 PM
But I too am quite interested in seeing how well Flacco does under what should be some pressure(ie mister Woodley)

Pants explosion.

scottyboy
09-23-2008, 08:47 PM
Pants explosion.

i thought of you while I typed that.

I wonder what'll happen when Rice collides with Woodley when he blocks him on a pass play? Mind explosion? I think so. the world can't handle so much awesomeness in THAT small a space.

Sniper
09-23-2008, 08:49 PM
i thought of you while I typed that.

I wonder what'll happen when Rice collides with Woodley when he blocks him on a pass play? Mind explosion? I think so. the world can't handle so much awesomeness in THAT small a space.

Imagine if Brian Leonard and Ray Rice were on the same team and tried to double team Woodley? Sweet Woodson.

scottyboy
09-23-2008, 08:52 PM
Imagine if Brian Leonard and Ray Rice were on the same team and tried to double team Woodley? Sweet Woodson.

time would stop and the entire planet would just be struck in immense awe of how so much awesomeness can be together in about a 10 yard radius. With this, Scott Wright would use it to perfectly time his capture of Carmen San Diego AND Waldo, because he knows where they are.

UNLESS, Scott was at this game and had a field pass. THEN, the entire world would start raining Krispy Kreme glazed donuts, all hot girls would refuse to wear clothes, Arrested Development would come back on the air, Heath Leadger would rise from the dead just for a batman sequel, and Pepsi would start making pepsi blue again.

M.O.T.H.
09-23-2008, 09:25 PM
Tony Romo should def. be considered an elite QB. Yes, he'll make a few mistakes per game ala who? #4, Brett Favre. Tony has improved his play in the pocket a great deal but, he still has that gunslinger mentality and hates to give up on plays, so he'll force some throws. He's going to throw picks, that's just the type of player he is...he's a little Favre and a little Brady. You can nitpick here and there but, anyway you cut it, the guy is an elite QB.

princefielder28
09-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Tony Romo should def. be considered an elite QB. Yes, he'll make a few mistakes per game ala who? #4, Brett Favre. Tony has improved his play in the pocket a great deal but, he still has that gunslinger mentality and hates to give up on plays, so he'll force some throws. He's going to throw picks, that's just the type of player he is...he's a little Favre and a little Brady. You can nitpick here and there but, anyway you cut it, the guy is an elite QB.

He has the abilities of an elite QB, but he needs that playoff victory before he gets the title of "Elite"

bored of education
09-23-2008, 09:38 PM
My thoughts: The CHIEFS SUCK!

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-23-2008, 10:02 PM
My predictions about Denver were a year off.

Last year I thought Cutler would throw 30 TDs, and the offense would be unstoppable because I knew Marshall was ready to break out, Henry was solid, and the offensive line looked to get better with the return of a healthy Matt Lepsis(whose injury was a main reason the 06 season fell off the rails). Of course Lepsis never returned to form, Cutler didn't quite progress that much and Tony Scheffler, who performed very well with Cutler was inexplicably behind Daniel "Stone hands" Graham.

This year, Cutler should forseeably hit 30, the offense has been great with the addition of Eddie Royal, Clady has been excellent along with the whole line, the running game has been good enough. Last year I thought we could compete for the AFC title if the defense was able to be just average. Of course, it was atrocious. Right now, we'll probably make the playoffs but our defense and running game just aren't good enough for a trip to Pittsburgh, Buffalo(wow what the hell am I saying), or even in Denver if the weather goes bad.

Wootylicous
09-23-2008, 10:24 PM
time would stop and the entire planet would just be struck in immense awe of how so much awesomeness can be together in about a 10 yard radius. With this, Scott Wright would use it to perfectly time his capture of Carmen San Diego AND Waldo, because he knows where they are.

UNLESS, Scott was at this game and had a field pass. THEN, the entire world would start raining Krispy Kreme glazed donuts, all hot girls would refuse to wear clothes, Arrested Development would come back on the air, Heath Leadger would rise from the dead just for a batman sequel, and Pepsi would start making pepsi blue again.

Make that happens!!!!!! :D

Saints-Tigers
09-23-2008, 10:29 PM
Tony Romo should def. be considered an elite QB. Yes, he'll make a few mistakes per game ala who? #4, Brett Favre. Tony has improved his play in the pocket a great deal but, he still has that gunslinger mentality and hates to give up on plays, so he'll force some throws. He's going to throw picks, that's just the type of player he is...he's a little Favre and a little Brady. You can nitpick here and there but, anyway you cut it, the guy is an elite QB.

Maybe the Superbowl Brady.

keylime_5
09-24-2008, 08:23 AM
Bush is starting to work out again, but he's still not an everydown back and between the tackles guy. I like Pierre Thomas a lot, he has feature back potential. Mario was still a better #1 pick for Houston. Defense wins titles, not backs. Time for Vince to grow up and carry his weight in Tennessee.

Sniper
09-24-2008, 08:31 AM
Tony Romo should def. be considered an elite QB. Yes, he'll make a few mistakes per game ala who? #4, Brett Favre. Tony has improved his play in the pocket a great deal but, he still has that gunslinger mentality and hates to give up on plays, so he'll force some throws. He's going to throw picks, that's just the type of player he is...he's a little Favre and a little Brady. You can nitpick here and there but, anyway you cut it, the guy is an elite QB.

Elite QBs win playoff games, not piss them away on the final play...twice.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-24-2008, 10:55 AM
In the first playoff game, being a holder has nothing to do with being a QB. So fumbling the snap therefore has nothing to do with being an elite QB.

In the second one, there were 9 seconds left in the game when he threw the pick. In that situation, his only hope is to throw it to the endzone and hope someone makes a play. Very few times does it actually work that way, and in this instance, it was picked. If he had thrown it short, his receiver gets tackled and the game ends. He had no choice. Hell, even Tom Brady "pissed away" a playoff game like that against the Colts, only with even more time left.

Sniper
09-24-2008, 11:01 AM
In the first playoff game, being a holder has nothing to do with being a QB. So fumbling the snap therefore has nothing to do with being an elite QB.

It's still his fault that they lost.

In the second one, there were 9 seconds left in the game when he threw the pick. In that situation, his only hope is to throw it to the endzone and hope someone makes a play. Very few times does it actually work that way, and in this instance, it was picked. If he had thrown it short, his receiver gets tackled and the game ends. He had no choice. Hell, even Tom Brady "pissed away" a playoff game like that against the Colts, only with even more time left.

Except Marlin Jackson had to make a great pick on Brady. Romo should have never thrown the ball because the defender had inside coverage on the post. Elite QBs win playoff games, period.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-24-2008, 11:17 AM
In the first playoff game, being a holder has nothing to do with being a QB. So fumbling the snap therefore has nothing to do with being an elite QB.

In the second one, there were 9 seconds left in the game when he threw the pick. In that situation, his only hope is to throw it to the endzone and hope someone makes a play. Very few times does it actually work that way, and in this instance, it was picked. If he had thrown it short, his receiver gets tackled and the game ends. He had no choice. Hell, even Tom Brady "pissed away" a playoff game like that against the Colts, only with even more time left.

No, but if you want the accolades as a player, then when things get messed up on your watch it's your fault. You rep that over and over every day during practice, and no excuse for that in a key spot in a game.

9 seconds is basically 2 plays, factoring 6-7 seconds for a play. He threw it in double coverage which is his fault, not to mention, insteading of working hard and preparing he is in Cabo with his gf. I think it's more maturity and handling fame and going out with someone famous, and getting your priorities set in life. I understand you have a bye week but still prepare for your opponent and try to get better. You have the whole offseason to do whatever the hell you want to. That's why he is getting killed because of those things. He is no doubt a sick QB, but in big situations he has yet to prove he is elite.

Iamcanadian
09-24-2008, 12:10 PM
[QUOTE=Geo;1226832]I guess I'll start it up again this week.

I had no problems with everything above this point.

Blasphemous as it may be to say, I don't think the Chargers lose a step when Darren Sproles replaces LaDainian Tomlinson. It's actually a gain imo, Sproles is even more dynamic and explosive. The one caveat being the passing game, where LDT is so accomplished as both a receiver (still very potent in this regard) as well as a pass protector for the quarterback.

I couldn't disagree more. Tomlinson can score TD's inside the red zone, Sproles will always have trouble doing that and if your counting on Sproles remaining healthy all season and carring the ball a substantial amount of the time, I doubt he survives. As a spot replacement Sproles can be a very effective player but to ask him to carry the load is beyond his capacity.

Eagles' '06 1st round pick DT Brodrick Bunkley didn't play a lick as a rookie, meanwhile the Eagles were 26th in the league in run defense (136.4 ypg and 4.5 ypc). Since becoming a starter from the start of '07, the Eagles dramatically improved to 7th best in the league at 95.8 ypg and 3.8 ypc. So far this season, they are first in the league with 45.7 ypg and 2.4 ypc after having played the Rams, Cowboys, and Steelers. Just maybe the big man is a part of that.

A lot of Philly's problems on defense stem from McNabb's injuries. Without McNabb at full strength, Philly has a hard time substaining drives and their defense is on the field a lot more. I do agree that Bunkley is a key ingredient in their improved defense but if McNabb goes down again, there will be a dropoff in their defensive performance. Stats can be very misleading.

Keep burying the Colts, pile that dirt and say farewell. Just know that the coffin will be empty if you check it later.

Harrison has the same surgery that Peyton and said it bothered him all of last season so I'm not expecting much from Indy this year. Next year will be a different story.

The losing team that most impressed me this week is the Bengals. They put up a much better fight against the defending Super Bowl champs, at Giants Stadium, than I anticipated. Without their best corner Jonathan Joseph and Dexter Jackson playing, they took the game into overtime where they unfortunately lost. But that showed me some real character and grit, which is good to see from the Bengals.

Here I think you are way off the ball. For the Giants this was a game where emotionally they were flat. Most of the team had already marked this down as a victory and played like it. Rotten football teams often upset winning teams in games like this one as their players view the game as their Super Bowl. I think you'll see Cincy fall back to its normal routine in its next game.

Reggie Bush has scored four total touchdowns, meanwhile the Houston Texans have scored three touchdowns. Trumpet that matter of early fact, ignorant haters.

Here I agree. Bush is going to score a lot of TD's and is a much better player overall than people give him credit for. However as a RB he is rather mediocre.

The Dallas Cowboys look like the best team in the league. They handled the Packers well this Sunday night, who proved they didn't need Brett Favre for them to continue losing to the Cowboys. Although maybe the Packers tweak a few things differently next time to their benefit, should they meet again in the postseason.

The only question seperating Dallas from being a top team is their playoff record. Until they elimate that doubt, you cannot really crown them just yet. It may well be their year but they have a lot to prove when it comes to the playoffs. Think San diego.

Matthew Jones
09-24-2008, 12:17 PM
After two games it seems I have overrated Matt Cassel. There was a time when I thought he was a good backup quarterback and could be the next Matt Schaub but his play over the past two games has shown that he is nothing more than mediocre.

Diab, you know I respect you a lot, and I would agree with the whole "Matt Cassel is pretty mediocre" statement, but Matt Schaub? Schaub is a bum. Since becoming a starter:

13 GS, 2,500 yards, 10 TD, 14 INT (4-9 record)

He was also 0-2 with Atlanta, giving him a lifetime 4-11 record and 16 TDs to 20 INTs. I don't see how you can call Matt Cassel medicore and put Matt Schaub somewhere ahead of him.

marks01234
09-25-2008, 11:28 AM
That's bull, we don't even use his ability as a receiver downfield, he's a dump off guy, and he's definitely not used well as a runner.

He's just not a good runner.

The Saints entire season last year was spent finding ways to get Reggie in space with the ball.

They aren't winning games! The Saints went to the playoffs two years ago because they could line up and run the ball down your throats. Brees wasn't throwing as often but when he was, he was making a much more impact plays. Heck, he easily could have won the MVP award that year. I don't hear anybody calling for Brees MVP with this "new-look" O.

CC.SD
09-25-2008, 11:45 AM
[QUOTE=Geo;1226832]I
The only question seperating Dallas from being a top team is their playoff record. Until they elimate that doubt, you cannot really crown them just yet. It may well be their year but they have a lot to prove when it comes to the playoffs. Think San diego.

Oh I do, constantly. I agree that if SD got no respect despite a few AFC West Championships and stellar records, but no playoff wins, then Dallas shouldn't yet either. pfffft!!!

I am still pretty on the fence when it comes to Dallas--I think they are going to run into trouble if someone finally comes up with a plan to isolate T.O., and I don't mean like last week where he still has a huge impact on the game. That and a D that doesn't look like it's running quite on time and I have to say that it is simply too early in the season to be definite on anything in either direction.

Favre4ever
09-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Tony Romo should def. be considered an elite QB. Yes, he'll make a few mistakes per game ala who? #4, Brett Favre. Tony has improved his play in the pocket a great deal but, he still has that gunslinger mentality and hates to give up on plays, so he'll force some throws. He's going to throw picks, that's just the type of player he is...he's a little Favre and a little Brady. You can nitpick here and there but, anyway you cut it, the guy is an elite QB.

I dont want to take anything away from Romo but i'm not ready to put him in the "elite" category. He's been playing behind the greatest o-line in the NFL since his debut in the league. He doesnt get the pressures and hits that Favre had to deal with all his career in Green Bay for instance. All the bonehead plays that Romo makes are when he's pressured like we've seen last sunday. Give him an average o-line (like the one in Green Bay) and average to no running game (like in Green Bay) and i'm pretty sure he'd have as many INT's as TD's. Heck, give Aaron Rodgers that kind of time in the pocket and he would put up Pro Bowl numbers.

Dont get me wrong he's a very good QB but that O-line of his is just too damn good.

Modano
09-25-2008, 03:51 PM
I dont want to take anything away from Romo but i'm not ready to put him in the "elite" category. He's been playing behind the greatest o-line in the NFL since his debut in the league. He doesnt get the pressures and hits that Favre had to deal with all his career in Green Bay for instance. All the bonehead plays that Romo makes are when he's pressured like we've seen last sunday. Give him an average o-line (like the one in Green Bay) and average to no running game (like in Green Bay) and i'm pretty sure he'd have as many INT's as TD's. Heck, give Aaron Rodgers that kind of time in the pocket and he would put up Pro Bowl numbers.

Dont get me wrong he's a very good QB but that O-line of his is just too damn good.

His first year starting Romo had an average line. Flozell was back from a knee injury and was rusty to say the least, we didn't have Bigg Davis and even Colombo wasn't playing as goos as he's doing now.
The o-line play was vastly improved by Romo ability to escape from pressure that year.

Saints-Tigers
09-25-2008, 06:25 PM
He's just not a good runner.

The Saints entire season last year was spent finding ways to get Reggie in space with the ball.

They aren't winning games! The Saints went to the playoffs two years ago because they could line up and run the ball down your throats. Brees wasn't throwing as often but when he was, he was making a much more impact plays. Heck, he easily could have won the MVP award that year. I don't hear anybody calling for Brees MVP with this "new-look" O.


LOL, we aren't winning because our defense is getting blown away, you act like we are having trouble scoring. Seriously, people really shouldn't comment on the Saints, it's clear that most see very little, if any.

And no, the Saints entire season last year was gimmick plays, and swing passes.

M.O.T.H.
09-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Romo pretty much did everything on his own when he took over for Bledsoe. That line was incredibly shaky, that 1st season he was really praised for his escapability and ability to make plays out of the pocket. That was his reputation at the time but, he has since vastly imrpoved his play in the pocket. In fact, near the end of that season is when he started struggling because, teams were doing everything possible to keep him from moving around. The guy has seen his game improve significantly in three years...he's still going to make those boneheaded throws from time to time, hey Favre still makes them. He's in that mold, it's who he is, it's going to happen. But anyway, as far as indivisual performance goes, throwing winning out of the equation, the guy is an elite QB. Winning/playoff wins dont equate to how elite a player is in my book. Peyton was certainly an elite QB before his 1st playoff win and Tony is in the same boat, imo.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-25-2008, 08:42 PM
Diab, you know I respect you a lot, and I would agree with the whole "Matt Cassel is pretty mediocre" statement, but Matt Schaub? Schaub is a bum. Since becoming a starter:

13 GS, 2,500 yards, 10 TD, 14 INT (4-9 record)

He was also 0-2 with Atlanta, giving him a lifetime 4-11 record and 16 TDs to 20 INTs. I don't see how you can call Matt Cassel medicore and put Matt Schaub somewhere ahead of him.


Ah, Matt Schaub. That's was a fun scam we pulled.

Geo
09-25-2008, 09:29 PM
I'm not writing off Schaub, the Texans had some tough match-ups to start the season. Are people really surprised he struggled at Tennessee? Plus that doesn't count Andre Johnson dropping a touchdown catch, and I heard he dropped another one on top of that.

Way too soon to be talking about the hook, let's see what Schaub can do once the Texans schedule picks up.

They probably would have executed poorly against Baltimore in Week 2 as well, but delaying the game to Week 10 might actually be a blessing. The Ravens defense might be a little banged up then, plus Dunta Robinson could be back then.

Should be very interesting to see what becomes of the Texans. Currently at 0-2, they play at Jacksonville (they could get the win though imo) and then host Indy in Week 5.

Dam8610
09-26-2008, 12:33 AM
time would stop and the entire planet would just be struck in immense awe of how so much awesomeness can be together in about a 10 yard radius. With this, Scott Wright would use it to perfectly time his capture of Carmen San Diego AND Waldo, because he knows where they are.

UNLESS, Scott was at this game and had a field pass. THEN, the entire world would start raining Krispy Kreme glazed donuts, all hot girls would refuse to wear clothes, Arrested Development would come back on the air, Heath Leadger would rise from the dead just for a batman sequel, and Pepsi would start making pepsi blue again.

We must make the second scenario happen, it would be a perfect world.

LonghornsLegend
09-26-2008, 09:36 AM
I dont want to take anything away from Romo but i'm not ready to put him in the "elite" category. He's been playing behind the greatest o-line in the NFL since his debut in the league. He doesnt get the pressures and hits that Favre had to deal with all his career in Green Bay for instance. All the bonehead plays that Romo makes are when he's pressured like we've seen last sunday. Give him an average o-line (like the one in Green Bay) and average to no running game (like in Green Bay) and i'm pretty sure he'd have as many INT's as TD's. Heck, give Aaron Rodgers that kind of time in the pocket and he would put up Pro Bowl numbers.

Dont get me wrong he's a very good QB but that O-line of his is just too damn good.



Funny how thats everyone sees it now, nobody remembers when Bledsoe was the QB getting hammered every time we dropped back to pass, our sack rate was something ridiculous, it wasn't until Romo got thrown out there did the sack rate start to drop because of his pocket presence.


As far as the playoff game stuff, how many QB's won a playoff game in their first 2 trips? The list is pretty short, people want to be so critical with Romo and put all the blame of those losses of him because he's the QB...Sniper you know better then to act like that Seattle game had ANY bearing on how he plays the QB position, he actually played that game pretty damn well for a guy who had been starting half the season and on the bench for the first half...The second game he lost, like CutlerChris said it was picked but we needed a TD so nobody was worrying about the stats, but lets be honest that Giants defense was on a roll..Why can't we give them their credit, this is the same defense that frustrated the "greatest team ever" and Tom Brady, but Romo can get bashed for losing that game? Sounds a little biased to me.


I agree Tony needs a playoff win before being considered elite and that's fine, but those losses were hardly a result because of him, people can point to how many mistakes he makes but he has had no problem driving us down at the end of a game to win it on the final drive...I'll be first in line to call him a choker or say he's not elite if we have a 1st rd exit this year though, it's been long enough for everyone and time for the excuses to stop.

jth1331
09-27-2008, 02:35 AM
Funny how thats everyone sees it now, nobody remembers when Bledsoe was the QB getting hammered every time we dropped back to pass, our sack rate was something ridiculous, it wasn't until Romo got thrown out there did the sack rate start to drop because of his pocket presence.

Romo in 2006 was sacked 21 times in basically 10 1/2 games.
Drew Bledsoe in 2006 was sacked 16 times in 5 1/2 games.
It dropped by about a sack a game.
However, in 2007, the Cowboys added Leonard Davis, and that sure helped immensly.
Cowboys have a fantastic, bruising OL and that sure as hell helps with Romo's success. Its not all Romo, and its not all the OL.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-27-2008, 12:38 PM
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Awesome.

Sportsfan486
09-27-2008, 12:58 PM
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Awesome.

Holy **** that's crazy. Wow. Man-beast.

CC.SD
09-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Turner's been smashing for a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6aPPuuPeCc

Dam8610
09-27-2008, 04:49 PM
Elite QBs win playoff games, period.

The most frustrating misconception ever imagined.

BlindSite
09-27-2008, 05:49 PM
I don't think you should use the QBs win whatever argument, unless you go more in depth.

I'll use a homer example, because I've seen Delhomme play a really average game (03 against Dallas) and the team still won, and then there have been games where he masterfully executed the offense and it was really the reason the team won (chicago 05), or came close (New England in the SB).

But Delhomme didn't lose the Superbowl for the Panthers, and he didn't lose the game specifically against the seahawks in the 05 NFCCG.

You've got to look at the games and the scores and the stats and everything in between before declaring a QB isn't good in the postseason.

CC.SD
09-27-2008, 07:26 PM
I don't know, the playoffs are a different animal, and how QBs perform under do-or-die pressure should definitely be factored into overall judgements of their talents. Maybe playoff wins shouldn't be the measuring stick, but general performance definitely needs to be.

BlindSite
09-27-2008, 09:04 PM
I'll agree with that. Then again you really need to watch games to deduce a performance because stats almost never show you the whole story.