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BeerBaron
09-24-2008, 09:09 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/24/millen-is-out/
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601458/Millen-out-as-Lions-president,-GM

so sayeth Jay Glazer of Fox.

****. Now the Bears could have 3 other competent teams in the division.

More details are going to be coming...should be interesting.

LonghornsLegend
09-24-2008, 09:11 AM
Wow, seriously? Maybe the force of NFLDC willed it into happening :eek:

BeerBaron
09-24-2008, 09:12 AM
Wow, seriously? Maybe the force of NFLDC willed it into happening :eek:

I was not part of that force. I was wishing will all of my might against that force, lol.

If they were in another division perhaps....but basically 2 free wins a year most years was fun for me, heh

Vikes99ej
09-24-2008, 09:18 AM
Damn it. :(

themaninblack
09-24-2008, 09:21 AM
Just came up on ESPN.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-24-2008, 09:23 AM
About freaking time

NIN1984
09-24-2008, 09:24 AM
Fox's Jay Glazer reports that Matt Millen has been removed as President and GM of the Lions. It's unclear if he resigned or was fired.

The Detroit police is on alert for a championship-style celebration in the streets. Hopefully the Lions get a true football guy in the front office, and Millen returns to the booth, where he was awesome. Jon Kitna is now the Lion on the hot seat, and could be the next to go. We'd expect Rod Marinelli to last the season. Rudi Johnson is happy this move didn't happen three weeks ago.

CC.SD
09-24-2008, 09:25 AM
This is the greatest day in Lions history.

NIN1984
09-24-2008, 09:26 AM
And the Lions get a WIN, congratulations guys.

T-RICH49
09-24-2008, 09:28 AM
The Detroit police is on alert for a championship-style celebration in the streets.

ROFL that's great

DoWnThEfiElD
09-24-2008, 09:29 AM
I cannot express my emotions right now.

BeerBaron
09-24-2008, 09:30 AM
The Detroit police is on alert for a championship-style celebration in the streets.

Nice, haha... Thats amazing.

Honestly, for most Lions fans who are around my age and don't remember things way long ago, this might be the greatest sports day in their lives. Thats crazy...

Starvsnr
09-24-2008, 09:45 AM
Congrats to all Lions fans for our first win on the season!

drowe
09-24-2008, 09:46 AM
wow. on the same day:
clay aiken admits he's a homosexual
and
the Fords admit matt millen is incompetent.

maybe next, barry bonds will admit he's on steroids

Turtlepower
09-24-2008, 09:47 AM
wow. on the same day:
clay aiken admits he's a homosexual
and
the Fords admit matt millen is incompetent.

maybe next, barry bonds will admit he's on steroids

Nixon could always come back from the dead and admit Watergate.

T-RICH49
09-24-2008, 09:48 AM
now can my fellow NFLDC'ers help will Carl Peterson out of town as well

TitleTown088
09-24-2008, 10:01 AM
Better late than never I suppose.

The Lions are still screwed. Losing is in their DNA.

A Perfect Score
09-24-2008, 10:10 AM
Now just think how much further ahead they would be if they had done this 2 years ago, when everyone but the Fords realized he was a tool...ahhh well, good for them, maybe now they can shake off the losing tradition. I wouldnt be surprised to see them clean house at the end of the year and start over from scratch.

FlyingElvis
09-24-2008, 10:22 AM
So should we expect to see Millen go public with the pictures of the Ford family involved in some horrific acts? Must be a family photo of bestiality or satanic worship or something along those lines . . .

Sniper
09-24-2008, 10:22 AM
Congratulations to the Lions!

jbombul
09-24-2008, 10:30 AM
what young team executives are out there that are ready to be a general manager?

Rob S
09-24-2008, 10:33 AM
what a shame.....Millen gave hope to all Americans who just loaf around at work. I was really looking forward to this year's selection of Crabtree in the top 5......

DHVF
09-24-2008, 10:34 AM
Way too rash of a move IMO. If the Lions would have given him ample time, I'm sure he would have been able to put together a championship contender.

princefielder28
09-24-2008, 10:38 AM
Is Millen headed back to the booth?

awfullyquiet
09-24-2008, 10:54 AM
Nice, haha... Thats amazing.

Honestly, for most Lions fans who are around my age and don't remember things way long ago, this might be the greatest sports day in their lives. Thats crazy...

Al Davis dies next week. Bidwells sell the Cardinal franchise to mark cuban.

That'd be the trifecta...

P-L
09-24-2008, 11:14 AM
Hallelujah! The Lions greatest victory over the past eight years comes on a bye week. Go figure. This is probably the greatest news I've heard involving the Lions since, well forever.

IceKubes
09-24-2008, 11:15 AM
I hear Charlie Casserly is looking for another GM job...... I take it back, I wouldn't wish him on anybody.

princefielder28
09-24-2008, 11:17 AM
The current speculation is the Chief Financial Officer will slide into the GM spot

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 11:26 AM
Wingy texted me when I was in class. I could hardly control my excitement.

Amen.

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 11:27 AM
Wow, seriously? Maybe the force of NFLDC willed it into happening :eek:

Yes, I am taking full credit for the firing thanks to my Fire Millen petition from earlier in the week.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-24-2008, 11:28 AM
Good stuff. Detroit fan need good news.

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 11:28 AM
I was not part of that force. I was wishing will all of my might against that force, lol.

If they were in another division perhaps....but basically 2 free wins a year most years was fun for me, heh

Recall for me if you will . . . who won both of the Lions-Bears games last season?

Oh yeah, DETROIT! hahahaha

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 11:29 AM
The Lions made NFL history today when they became the first team to ever win their bye week.

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 11:31 AM
Is Millen headed back to the booth?

I think that man is unemployable now.

I expect him to disappear into oblivion for about 5 years, and they he will get a "tell all" book deal.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-24-2008, 11:36 AM
My sources tell me he was fired for stealing the Ford's money all these years.

Cribbs>Hester
09-24-2008, 11:36 AM
I hear Charlie Casserly is looking for another GM job...... I take it back, I wouldn't wish him on anybody.

That is a little harsh. He was a good GM. He brough the Texans some very good talent in Chester Pitts, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson, and Jerome Mathis. Some decent role players in Travis Johnson, Antwan Peek, Jabar Gaffney, Glen Earl. Oh and lets not forget he was the guy who wisely drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush then took all kinds of unwarrented guff for doing so. In that same draft he also brought in DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston and Owen Daniels easily 4 of the best starters on the entire team. He was just stuck in a bad situation of trying to build an expansion team from the ground up(easily football is the hardest sport to do such a thing). He did his best with what he was given. An expansion team is a very hard sell for an expansion team too.

Anyhow, great news for Lions fans. I feel what you guys feel being a Browns fan. We're easily 2 of the 3 most pathetic franchises in the league. I hope we someday meet in the Super Bowl, or at least become two of the best teams in the league.

Iamcanadian
09-24-2008, 11:43 AM
I'm a very happy guy but the ball now is in Ford's hands to hire his replacement. Based on Ford's track record, I'd give us about a 25% chance we end up with a decent GM. Remember the Lions stunk before Millen was hired! At least we have a chance now.

Wow, 7 years before WCF got a clue that he had blundered in hiring Millen.
I'm guessing that there will now be a phrase in the NFL for a poor GM comparing every rotten GM to Matt Millen.

This will also mean the end for Marinelli and his staff. The new GM will hire his own man. I now am very excited to see who he hires, what system that HC uses and which players we draft next seasson.

Vox Populi
09-24-2008, 11:49 AM
Detroit's dynasty has come to a screeching halt. A very sad day for the entire NFL. Seriously, now teams might actually have to prepare to play against the Lions in the future...

Jughead10
09-24-2008, 11:55 AM
The Lions are probably best in getting a new young GM they have a lot of hope for. Let him build this thing from scratch, so he can have his finger print all over the new team.

DeathbyStat
09-24-2008, 11:59 AM
About freaking time

exactly what took so long....Who are they going to hire?

P-L
09-24-2008, 12:03 PM
The Lions are probably best in getting a new young GM they have a lot of hope for. Let him build this thing from scratch, so he can have his finger print all over the new team.
I've already heard Nick Caserio's name mentioned a couple times on the radio. Obviously everything is speculation at this point. However, Caserio is the Director of Player Personnel for the Patriots and has ties to Michigan. He's not yet 32 and has been with the Patriots for the past 7 years. He was a scout in 2003 and the Director of Pro Personnel for three years as well. I don't know anything else about him, but he's someone I'll keep my eye on.

BeerBaron
09-24-2008, 12:08 PM
Recall for me if you will . . . who won both of the Lions-Bears games last season?

Oh yeah, DETROIT! hahahaha

yeah but Rex Grossman/Brian Griese incompetence > the Lions.

No competent team should have ever lost to them, lol

DeathbyStat
09-24-2008, 12:09 PM
Are there any pats executives that would want to leave the team?

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 12:09 PM
I've already heard Nick Caserio's name mentioned a couple times on the radio. Obviously everything is speculation at this point. However, Caserio is the Director of Player Personnel for the Patriots and has ties to Michigan. He's not yet 32 and has been with the Patriots for the past 7 years. He was a scout in 2003 and the Director of Pro Personnel for three years as well. I don't know anything else about him, but he's someone I'll keep my eye on.

Yeah, 97.1 FM keeps bringing his name up.

Anyone from the Pats is a half decent option, IMO.

I don't know if I agree with Jughead though. I would probably rather have someone with experience.

Matthew Jones
09-24-2008, 12:10 PM
I hear Charlie Casserly is looking for another GM job...... I take it back, I wouldn't wish him on anybody.

Hm...funny, because I'd say his defining moment was drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

Sniper
09-24-2008, 12:16 PM
Are there any pats executives that would want to leave the team?

For a GM spot where they'll have at least 3 years of immunity? Absolutely.

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 12:16 PM
This event deserved a new sig.

iowatreat54
09-24-2008, 12:16 PM
this is a sad day for the NFC North

on another note, I heard Isiah Thomas is looking to get involved with the NFL...

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 12:18 PM
this is a sad day for the NFC North

on another note, I heard Isiah Thomas is looking to get involved with the NFL...

I said it over in the Lions forum. Even Thomas would be an upgrade over Millen. Thomas being a basketball guy is totally irrelevant. Millen is THE WORST EVER!

bearsfan_51
09-24-2008, 12:25 PM
The only way this will work is if the Ford's hire an outside hiring committee to find the new GM. So long as the owner makes the choice they are just going to hire another unqualified dumbass.

cdub11
09-24-2008, 12:33 PM
good for the lions, its about time!!!

Prowler
09-24-2008, 12:42 PM
i feel like i just won a million dollars, only the million doesn't buy anything except joy

Geo
09-24-2008, 01:04 PM
FINALLY

The only way this will work is if the Ford's hire an outside hiring committee to find the new GM. So long as the owner makes the choice they are just going to hire another unqualified dumbass.
I'd take my chances with an unqualified dumbass than Millen.

mqtirishfan
09-24-2008, 01:09 PM
Now they need to bring in a young GM and Lane Kiffin.

Twiddler
09-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Congrats Lions fans. It sucks for the rest of the NFL but I guess you guys deserve an actual GM.

Borat
09-24-2008, 01:12 PM
Congrats Lions fans.

The 49ers send you a hearty "You're Welcome"

bored of education
09-24-2008, 01:15 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO

I thought Millen was the best Pres./CEO in sports.

mqtirishfan
09-24-2008, 01:26 PM
I have unfortunately lost any leverage I had in any job. I at least was able to say, "I do my job better than Matt Millen does, and he isn't getting fired."

giantsfan
09-24-2008, 01:33 PM
I said it over in the Lions forum. Even Thomas would be an upgrade over Millen. Thomas being a basketball guy is totally irrelevant. Millen is THE WORST EVER!

Got to hell and die, I'm a knicks fan no one is worse than Isiah. If Isiah was your GM you'd actually have Kitna as a situational pass rusher because he knows what QBs are thinking, no ********.

Dam8610
09-24-2008, 01:34 PM
Bidwells sell the Cardinal franchise to mark cuban.

Thus making him unable to buy the Cubs...awesome.

Brodeur
09-24-2008, 01:35 PM
This is the greatest day in the history of our sport.

WMD
09-24-2008, 01:37 PM
This is a celebration!

Menardo75
09-24-2008, 01:46 PM
Haha one of the most overdue things to happen in a long time.

KCJ58
09-24-2008, 01:51 PM
this is way over due

NY+Giants=NYG
09-24-2008, 01:51 PM
So does he go to college announcing now? I highly doubt FOX would take him back to do NFL work now.

Dam8610
09-24-2008, 02:04 PM
So does he go to college announcing now? I highly doubt FOX would take him back to do NFL work now.

Why not? He was still a good NFL LB, and just because he can't judge personnel well doesn't mean he doesn't know more about the game than the average casual fan.

rockio42
09-24-2008, 02:10 PM
I'm not a lion's fan by any stretch of the imagination...this a great day for them and I'm happy for them...I hope he does get a job in the booth because he was a great player and I'm sure he knows more about football than he showed in Detriot (makes no sense but he was good LB and has to know football)

WMD
09-24-2008, 02:12 PM
I think Millen would be a good Linebackers coach..

Borat
09-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Early pictures have come in from Detroit. Yes, folks, it is quite the championship-level celebration going on in Detroit:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/06/26/635668368_6abbad7c10.jpg

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/11/27/rioting.jpg

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper657/stills/14m2m177.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40996000/jpg/_40996966_riot1_ap.jpg

NY+Giants=NYG
09-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Why not? He was still a good NFL LB, and just because he can't judge personnel well doesn't mean he doesn't know more about the game than the average casual fan.

Yeah but it's like having a big pink elephant in the room. What the announcers can't talk about his failure. Now there is a different between failing and failing & embarrassing yourself in at that job. He was the butt of all jokes. If people wanted to compare dumb Gms, they would say," Well this GM sucks, but he is no Matt Millen." Now once you are the bar of dumb stuff, then that's a problem. He can't just come back to the network and people forget what he did. I don't see it working out right away.

Let him go to college seperate himself for a year or two, and then come back. I think it would be very weird seeing back in the boothe.

holt_bruce81
09-24-2008, 02:58 PM
It's about time! Party in Detroit!

CC.SD
09-24-2008, 03:06 PM
What if they draft a top 10 wideout this year even without Millen around?

I'd do a little dance. Seeya Millen. Your incompetence will be legendary forever.

The Unseen
09-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Probably the most expected yet long-awaited firing in the history of sports.

Matt Millen will have a picture in the dictionary beside the word "ineptitude" forever...until the next edition when people forget who the heck he was.

PACKmanN
09-24-2008, 03:16 PM
I guess the Lions fans feel like they just won the Superbowl.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
09-24-2008, 03:34 PM
Greatest day ever.

Dont even care who the next GM at this point. As long as its not Millen.

And as for Bearsfan. Lions are 6-8 against the Bears under Millen compared to 2-12 against the Vikings and Packers for the Millen led Lions. Thats actually pretty sad for the Bears. Bears were just as horrible from the late 90s-2004(sans 2001) as the Lions so don't forget and managed to get swept last year somehow with Griese. Lions have a chance to be respectable again. They were respectable before Millen even after Barry left(playoffs and then a 9-7 team in 2000). Just a great day.

Millen should also be forced back to the both on Fox and be the color commentary once the Lions become respectable again(which can finally happen once we fix the mess Millen has made)

Staubach12
09-24-2008, 03:35 PM
Seriously? This is huge! I think pretty much all football fans are happy. He was a disgrace to... well, everything.

Geo
09-24-2008, 03:40 PM
LOL, well put Staubach.

Xiomera
09-24-2008, 03:45 PM
I think Millen would be a good Linebackers coach..

Kinda like how Rod Marinara is a good D-Line coach? Let's keep 11 linebackers too.

IceKubes
09-24-2008, 04:04 PM
Hm...funny, because I'd say his defining moment was drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

And Matt Millen also drafted Ernie Sims and Calvin Johnson, even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then. I will admit the 2006 draft was a good one but he was already a lame duck GM at that point. I guess spending a 2nd rounder in the supplemental draft on Tony Hollings, trading a two and a three for Philip Buchanon (who stunk it up in Oakland and Houston but is doing well now, ugh) and countless other picks/moves in the draft and free agency that I won't further pollute this thread with is easy for some people to forget but not anyone that followed the team closely. He and Capers set the franchise back years and we still have not recovered from it.

Having said that I really hope Detroit can find a diamond because I have a real soft spot for teams that have historically suffered.

T-RICH49
09-24-2008, 04:05 PM
Seriously? This is huge! I think pretty much all football fans are happy. He was a disgrace to... well, everything.

I object to that

signed,

Carl Peterson

zCaddyz
09-24-2008, 04:20 PM
good maybe the lions will clean house and the bucs can make a move for roy williams.

awfullyquiet
09-24-2008, 04:22 PM
Thus making him unable to buy the Cubs...awesome.

"Word on the street is that Thomas Ricketts and the Ricketts family are the winning bidders for the Chicago Cubs, Wrigley Field, and a 25 percent stake in ComcastSports Chicago. Thomas Ricketts is the chief executive of Chicago investment bank Incapital LLC and son Joe Ricketts, the founder of TD Ameritrade Holding Corp."

Which is bogus, IMO.

D-Unit
09-24-2008, 04:51 PM
I think you people are delusional if you think this change will mean the Lions will ever become a winning organization.

619
09-24-2008, 04:54 PM
The only win of the Lions season thus far ...

CJSchneider
09-24-2008, 05:02 PM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3328/mattmillentruecolorsrp3.jpg

Ok, so I suck at MS Paint, but I think Lions fans get the message.

awfullyquiet
09-24-2008, 05:04 PM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3328/mattmillentruecolorsrp3.jpg

Ok, so I suck at MS Paint, but I think Lions fans get the message.

You're not SuperKevin... but you get the point across

D-Unit
09-24-2008, 05:05 PM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3328/mattmillentruecolorsrp3.jpg

Ok, so I suck at MS Paint, but I think Lions fans get the message.
So he's the wicked witch of the west? Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh my!

awfullyquiet
09-24-2008, 05:14 PM
does this turn anyone on?

http://i35.tinypic.com/14lkyo.jpg

I RAISE YOUR CRAPPY MSPAINTINGSKILLS BY +1

CC.SD
09-24-2008, 05:23 PM
lol, those seriously are the two worst Paint jobs I've ever seen, in consecutive order no less. Not hating guys; I actually respect you more now.

awfullyquiet
09-24-2008, 05:24 PM
lol, those seriously are the two worst Paint jobs I've ever seen, in consecutive order no less. Not hating guys; I actually respect you more now.

You try running photoshop on a computer across the atlantic.

Xonraider
09-24-2008, 05:29 PM
Next up: Al Davis

CC.SD
09-24-2008, 05:30 PM
You try running photoshop on a computer across the atlantic.

No thanks, my arms aren't long enough.

ninerfan
09-24-2008, 05:48 PM
About 5 years too late imo

Dam8610
09-24-2008, 06:17 PM
"Word on the street is that Thomas Ricketts and the Ricketts family are the winning bidders for the Chicago Cubs, Wrigley Field, and a 25 percent stake in ComcastSports Chicago. Thomas Ricketts is the chief executive of Chicago investment bank Incapital LLC and son Joe Ricketts, the founder of TD Ameritrade Holding Corp."

Which is bogus, IMO.

WOOHOO! NOT CUBAN! Now Cub fans can know how it feels to be denied a great owner by Selig. I despise the man for not letting Eddie DeBartolo buy the White Sox. Some (all) of you may remember DeBartolo as the man who put together the great run of success the San Francisco 49ers had.

CC.SD
09-24-2008, 06:46 PM
WOOHOO! NOT CUBAN! Now Cub fans can know how it feels to be denied a great owner by Selig. I despise the man for not letting Eddie DeBartolo buy the White Sox. Some (all) of you may remember DeBartolo as the man who put together the great run of success the San Francisco 49ers had.

That's funny, the man I remember putting together that great run of success was named Joe Montana. Er, I mean Bill Walsh. I mean...alright, you can have DeBartolo. :D

bearsfan_51
09-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Greatest day ever.

Dont even care who the next GM at this point. As long as its not Millen.

And as for Bearsfan. Lions are 6-8 against the Bears under Millen compared to 2-12 against the Vikings and Packers for the Millen led Lions. Thats actually pretty sad for the Bears. Bears were just as horrible from the late 90s-2004(sans 2001) as the Lions so don't forget and managed to get swept last year somehow with Griese. Lions have a chance to be respectable again. They were respectable before Millen even after Barry left(playoffs and then a 9-7 team in 2000). Just a great day.

Millen should also be forced back to the both on Fox and be the color commentary once the Lions become respectable again(which can finally happen once we fix the mess Millen has made)

Yeah, that one year you were 9-7? Totally respectable. *rolls eyes*

I'm not really sure where you are coming from in quoting me anyway, since my whole point was that William Clay Ford and the Lions organization clearly has no ******* idea what they are doing. They must hire someone else to do this process again, if they don't they are just going to hire another unqualified person. There's a reason the Lions haven't won **** in over 50 years, and it starts at the top. Millen is just another scapegoat for that the main problem is.

CJSchneider
09-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Next up: Al Davis


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6600/aldavistruedt5.jpg

I'm ready when it happens.

BlindSite
09-24-2008, 07:42 PM
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aldavistruedt5.jpg]

I'm ready when it happens.

Fail image fails.

aNYtitan
09-24-2008, 07:58 PM
I speak for all Lions fans, and most NFL fans when I say:

Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye

jballa838
09-24-2008, 08:09 PM
I think you people are delusional if you think this change will mean the Lions will ever become a winning organization.
way to jump the gun on this one D-Unit. Once word of who is the next CEO/Pres/GM is I may agree with you, but declaring the Lions will forever be losers even though they went straight to the top and cut off the biggest SEEN problem. They may or may not have problems in their interior, but he's the one calling the majority of the shots. The Ford Family who owns the team really does not say, "Wow, he's fast. Lets draft him." Their horrid front office work comes from the front office as it should. Millen's job was to look over the front office, and make the final decision. someone else with that role may or may not be able to right the ship.
The Lions drafts have been as horrible as any team. And ones that don't draft well have to do well in free agency and trading (Redskins), but those who don't are destined for failure. Who have the Lions actually drafted as of late that has been of value? Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams, two "You are an idiot if you don't pick these guys" picks. Thats it. Kevin Jones, Charles Rodgers, Joey Harrington, all are busts, and not the ones in the hall of fame.
So I ask you, how can they not get better than where they are now? What's stopping them from a super bowl in 6 years?

bearsfan_51
09-24-2008, 08:15 PM
way to jump the gun on this one D-Unit. Once word of who is the next CEO/Pres/GM is I may agree with you, but declaring the Lions will forever be losers even though they went straight to the top and cut off the biggest SEEN problem. They may or may not have problems in their interior, but he's the one calling the majority of the shots. The Ford Family who owns the team really does not say, "Wow, he's fast. Lets draft him." Their horrid front office work comes from the front office as it should. Millen's job was to look over the front office, and make the final decision. someone else with that role may or may not be able to right the ship.
The Lions drafts have been as horrible as any team. And ones that don't draft well have to do well in free agency and trading (Redskins), but those who don't are destined for failure. Who have the Lions actually drafted as of late that has been of value? Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams, two "You are an idiot if you don't pick these guys" picks. Thats it. Kevin Jones, Charles Rodgers, Joey Harrington, all are busts, and not the ones in the hall of fame.
So I ask you, how can they not get better than where they are now? What's stopping them from a super bowl in 6 years?

Who do you think keeps hiring all these idiots?

princefielder28
09-24-2008, 08:18 PM
http://mthompson.org/Video%20Football%20Leagues/Detroit%20Lions%2003-Present.gif

Built Ford Rough

Maybe Next Year Millen2
09-24-2008, 08:30 PM
Yeah, that one year you were 9-7? Totally respectable. *rolls eyes*

I'm not really sure where you are coming from in quoting me anyway, since my whole point was that William Clay Ford and the Lions organization clearly has no ******* idea what they are doing. They must hire someone else to do this process again, if they don't they are just going to hire another unqualified person. There's a reason the Lions haven't won **** in over 50 years, and it starts at the top. Millen is just another scapegoat for that the main problem is.

Uhhh no its more than one year of respectable play. They made the playoffs 6 out of 10 years in the 90s. That is respectable. Its ***** tough to win the Super Bowl. Even the most storied franchises won 5 times out of 40 some Super Bowls. Bears only one once with a HOF RB of their own. Without Barry Sanders they made the playoffs in 1999 and then went 9-7 in 2000. All respectable/playoff caliber until Matt Millen came to town. Playoff caliber team that couldn't get over the hump. I'll take that right now, its what the Bears are striving to be right now is playoff caliber. Its what the Vikings are trying to be and may be with their offseason moves. And even your Jerry Angelo led Bears, got there asses handed them by Millens Lions last year. 4-4 since 2004 vs the Bears well.

You forget about the Bears being the Lions of the NFL for 7 out of 8 years. From 1996-2004(except for 2001), the Bears were the Lions. Absolute ****.
50-78 record in 8 seasons, 37-75 without the obvious 2001 farce with Jim Freaking Miller. Very very Millenesque and they were able to rebound, so its obviously not impossible if the Bears can do it post Ditka. Of course the Lions have to hire the right guy. But to say they won't is just absurd. You can say what you want and pick on the Lions all you want, even though your a freaking Gophers fan. Its fine with me, just adds to the rivalry, but at least know a little history instead of just assuming the Lions always sucked. Barry had a decent line, decent D, good WRs but he never had the QB(because HOF QBs are very hard to find for some teams, ie Lions/Bears.) Because of the QB issue we never got over the hump(sounds like Minnesota now). And as for history, I really don't give a crap especially when it comes to the history of any team, especially a team from 1985 or a Vikings team from before I was born. It has nothing to do with the present.

PoopSandwich
09-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Congratulations to the Lions fans and here is to hoping someone competent replaces him!

jballa838
09-24-2008, 08:43 PM
Who do you think keeps hiring all these idiots?
Who chose the candidates?

bearsfan_51
09-24-2008, 09:15 PM
You forget about the Bears being the Lions of the NFL for 7 out of 8 years. From 1996-2004(except for 2001), the Bears were the Lions. Absolute ****.
50-78 record in 8 seasons, 37-75 without the obvious 2001 farce with Jim Freaking Miller. Very very Millenesque and they were able to rebound, so its obviously not impossible if the Bears can do it post Ditka. Of course the Lions have to hire the right guy. But to say they won't is just absurd. You can say what you want and pick on the Lions all you want, even though your a freaking Gophers fan. Its fine with me, just adds to the rivalry, but at least know a little history instead of just assuming the Lions always sucked. Barry had a decent line, decent D, good WRs but he never had the QB(because HOF QBs are very hard to find for some teams, ie Lions/Bears.) Because of the QB issue we never got over the hump(sounds like Minnesota now). And as for history, I really don't give a crap especially when it comes to the history of any team, especially a team from 1985 or a Vikings team from before I was born. It has nothing to do with the present.
A few things:

1) There is no rivalry. Bad teams like the Lions don't have rivals.

2) I do know history, which is why I'm right on this and you are wrong. William Clay Ford has been the sole owner of the Lions since 1964. In that time they've won the division three times. I shall repeat, since William Ford has owned the team the Lions have won the division 3 times in 44 years. You actually have the nerve to say that's not ******* awful? You don't think there's some correlation there? Give me a ******* break.

3) Yes, the Bears were terrible from 1995-2004. They were also pretty bad from 1963-1979. The difference is that when good franchices (or at least competent ones) are in a rut they make real structural changes, not just changing the furniture around and hoping things change. This is exactly my point, which you instead choose to ignore by making idiotic comparisons to college football teams. If the Lions are serious about changing the atmosphere, they need to hire competent people to hire the front office.

4) Even at their worst, the Bears have never been as bad as the Lions consistently are. That is a domain held for only a select few franchices that have perfected the art of being terrible. 50-78 is nothing compared to the **** that the Lions have been for the last 7-8 years. Awful comparison.

5) 3 division titles in 44 years under William Ford.

wingboy2999
09-24-2008, 09:33 PM
Ok, stop the hating on the Lions. Don't ruin our happy day with friggin' reality. All you guys are right about us being unBEARably [not a shot] terrible but to say that we are still screwed.... come on. Give us a chance here. It is one thing to point and laugh when Millen was still there but that bastard is GONE.

G
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And I could kiss you all.... really.... everyone one of you.

I love it.

Love itttttttt.

wingboy2999
09-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Oh and you know it is REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL bad when you get "Congrats" texts from friends. And "congrats" posts from all you guys.

And yes, this is probably my greatest Lions related day. I was around for Barry but was not as into football as I was.

And to think... I had all but renounced pro football. I'M BACK BABY!

PACKmanN
09-24-2008, 09:56 PM
I bet they hire Mike Mayock

illmatic74
09-24-2008, 09:59 PM
I bet they hire Mike Mayock
Great hire

619
09-24-2008, 10:02 PM
I bet they hire Mike Mayock

He deserves a job somewhere in some capacity.

P-L
09-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Can we please wait until tomorrow or Friday to rain on our parade? Let us enjoy this day.

49ersfan_87
09-24-2008, 10:24 PM
Congrats Lions fans, its a few years too late but better late than never right?

The lions were just awful on sunday and needed a complete overhaul. Every team has its bad cycles but this was just ridicolous, id never wish this on a franchise for so long. Heres to a brighter future for the lions!

iowatreat54
09-24-2008, 10:37 PM
best line by Stuart Scott tonight:

"When Matt Millen took over the Lions in 2001, they were one of the worst teams in the league. When Matt Millen left the Lions in 2008, they are the worst team in the league."

d34ng3l021
09-24-2008, 10:55 PM
I am really happy for all Lions fans. They definitely deserve this.

If they could get someone half competent, they might be able to make some noise. They have some good talent on that team.

PackerLegend
09-24-2008, 11:40 PM
Wait theres been a mistake.... Millen wasnt fired he was re-hired. The Lions plan on making him the highest paid GM.

Millen's firing will have no affect on how this season would/will play out if he was still here. Next year... well obviously

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-25-2008, 12:35 AM
And now I introduce to you the next HC of the Oakland Raiders!

http://partmule.com/blog16/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/matt_millen.jpg

The thing Al Davis thought made Matt Millen the most qualified for the job was the fact that he's a former Raider. Also Al thinks Millen put a number of good drafts together at Detroit.I mean look at all the receivers he drafted in the 1st round.Thats what Oakland needs more of.More WRs.

WMD
09-25-2008, 12:39 AM
Someone tell Mark Cuban to buy the Lions.

Dam8610
09-25-2008, 01:08 AM
Someone tell Mark Cuban to buy the Lions.

and avoid the Cubs at all costs.

giantsfan
09-25-2008, 01:22 AM
I remembering on arguing with some lions fans on another site, before the drafting of BMW, about which of our teams was better. Eli versus Joey harrington, our bad Oline versus their even worse one, toomer and hilliard versus roy and rogers, my god has millen just been terrible for that franchise, they don't just draft guys that aren't the superstars you'd hoped they'd be they draft guys that are just completely atrocious. If only those fans hadn't been so mind numbingly pig headed I might feel bad for them, especially in light of the Isiah years, but even I acknowledged we were screwed the day isiah took over.

yourfavestoner
09-25-2008, 01:44 AM
Read it and laugh while you still can
http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=120&section_id=15&top=21&level=2&season=0

Gatz
09-25-2008, 01:57 AM
Read it and laugh while you still can
http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=120&section_id=15&top=21&level=2&season=0lolololol.

Aww, we won't get to throw Millen at lions fans and get them ticked anymore.

Seriously though, for all the survivors, congratulations. This may be a small ray of sunshine but the dark cloud has not gone away yet.

WMD
09-25-2008, 02:14 AM
It's crazy that it finally happened. I can't wait for the new GM to fire that damn scouting department. Bunch of clowns, they are.

BRAVEHEART
09-25-2008, 02:52 AM
Fire all of the coaches and staff.

BlindSite
09-25-2008, 03:17 AM
They should go to the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Seahawks, San Diego, Philadelphia, New York Giants and the Jags and ask all their directors of scouting if they want a GM job. Then go to the 2nd best scout on their list and offer them scouting jobs. Right now they need to poach from other NFL teams. Find up an comers who have found a few diamonds in the rough and give them a job.

Give Stanton or Orvlorsky a shot and try to move Roy Williams in the offseason for some ammo in the draft.

WMD
09-25-2008, 03:37 AM
What sucks is that we're probably 5 months away from hiring our New GM.. Assuming we take someone from a Playoff/Superbowl team.

BRAVEHEART
09-25-2008, 03:47 AM
They should go to the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Seahawks, San Diego, Philadelphia, New York Giants and the Jags and ask all their directors of scouting if they want a GM job. Then go to the 2nd best scout on their list and offer them scouting jobs. Right now they need to poach from other NFL teams. Find up an comers who have found a few diamonds in the rough and give them a job.

Give Stanton or Orvlorsky a shot and try to move Roy Williams in the offseason for some ammo in the draft.


I hope they do that.

MetSox17
09-25-2008, 10:29 AM
They should go to the Colts, Pats, Cowboys, Seahawks, San Diego, Philadelphia, New York Giants and the Jags and ask all their directors of scouting if they want a GM job. Then go to the 2nd best scout on their list and offer them scouting jobs. Right now they need to poach from other NFL teams. Find up an comers who have found a few diamonds in the rough and give them a job.

Give Stanton or Orvlorsky a shot and try to move Roy Williams in the offseason for some ammo in the draft.

Bill Parcells already took our whole scouting department, they're not gonna find much in Dallas. :(

d34ng3l021
09-25-2008, 10:58 AM
What sucks is that we're probably 5 months away from hiring our New GM.. Assuming we take someone from a Playoff/Superbowl team.

That would be a good way to go, but I dont know i they will wait that long. They might just end up taking someone qualified. I was pretty disappointed when we didnt get Spags as our HC.

CC.SD
09-25-2008, 11:50 AM
That would be a good way to go, but I dont know i they will wait that long. They might just end up taking someone qualified. I was pretty disappointed when we didnt get Spags as our HC.

Atlanta's got good thing going, don't be sad!

Dam8610
09-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Fire all of the coaches and staff.

Why? They don't need ANOTHER change in philosophy. So many of those is part of why Millen is no longer there. Crap drafting didn't help either.

TitleTown088
09-25-2008, 02:42 PM
Those bastards better stay away from Reggie Mckenizie and John Schneider of the Packers. Schefter mentioned them as possibilities today.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
09-25-2008, 03:43 PM
A few things:

1) There is no rivalry. Bad teams like the Lions don't have rivals.

2) I do know history, which is why I'm right on this and you are wrong. William Clay Ford has been the sole owner of the Lions since 1964. In that time they've won the division three times. I shall repeat, since William Ford has owned the team the Lions have won the division 3 times in 44 years. You actually have the nerve to say that's not ******* awful? You don't think there's some correlation there? Give me a ******* break.

3) Yes, the Bears were terrible from 1995-2004. They were also pretty bad from 1963-1979. The difference is that when good franchices (or at least competent ones) are in a rut they make real structural changes, not just changing the furniture around and hoping things change. This is exactly my point, which you instead choose to ignore by making idiotic comparisons to college football teams. If the Lions are serious about changing the atmosphere, they need to hire competent people to hire the front office.

4) Even at their worst, the Bears have never been as bad as the Lions consistently are. That is a domain held for only a select few franchices that have perfected the art of being terrible. 50-78 is nothing compared to the **** that the Lions have been for the last 7-8 years. Awful comparison.

5) 3 division titles in 44 years under William Ford.

1) Division rivals are divison rivals. Especially when we are only 6-8 against the Bears with Millen. Pretty even if you ask me.

2) The only difference between the Bears organization and the Lions organization, is 84-88 vs the 90s for the Lions when they were good. Its not 1980s anymore as most Bears fans tend to live in. Your organziation is still has a long history of losing. I'll take junk from Steelers/Cowboys fans, but not the freaking Bears. And we are making structural changes to assume we just won't right now is absurd. The GM is a huge position to change because obviously Millen had autonomy and made a ton of bad choices.. Top to bottom this organization will be evaluated which is why we fired Millen so early in the season. I'd take a lot of people out there over Jerry Angelo as well(Mr. No Offense). Bears have won 8 division titles since 1964, Lions have won 3 division titles. 90s the Lions were good and they were awful under Millen after 2000. Thats all I really care about. F the 70s, F the 80s. No free agency and I think players overall are better now. Some players clearly could play in both eras like Jim Brown/Payton but for the most part, when I see little white guys come back for alumni day from the 60s/70s, I know they have no chance against the NFL of today.

3) Yes you were awful for a 7 year span like under Millen. 37-75(is comparable in 7 years(1996-2000, 2002-2004) without the 2001 season that came out of nowhere. Very comparable. In the mid to late 90s when the Lions were good, the Bears were the Lions of the Millen era.

4) We have a chance to get the right guy now. Ford Jr. is obviously having more of a say. Anyone off the street is better than Millen. A halfway decent GM with the right coach will make this team better.

wingboy2999
09-25-2008, 06:13 PM
MYNM2... you getting a new name?

Shane P. Hallam
09-25-2008, 07:38 PM
Not sure if it was posted here yet, I hit up the Lions Board since I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate here. Floyd Reese wants the job and considers Detroit one of the "uncut gems of the NFL"

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080925/SPORTS01/80925108/1049/rss14

Maybe Next Year Millen2
09-25-2008, 07:39 PM
I'm going to have to I guess. We'll have a Lions message board vote for my new name.

wingboy2999
09-25-2008, 07:43 PM
I'm going to have to I guess. We'll have a Lions message board vote for my new name.

Sounds good. How about "Detroit: Uncut Gem of the NFL"? Haha.

GB12
09-25-2008, 07:44 PM
1) Division rivals are divison rivals. Especially when we are only 6-8 against the Bears with Millen. Pretty even if you ask me.
When I think of division rivals I think of the Bears and Vikings. Lions never come into the equation. They've got the division part down, not so much the rival.

wingboy2999
09-25-2008, 07:56 PM
STOP TRASHING THE LIONS! COME ON!

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080925/SPORTS01/80925077/1048/sports

This is getting re-friggin'-diculous.

LonghornsLegend
09-25-2008, 08:43 PM
Not sure if it was posted here yet, I hit up the Lions Board since I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate here. Floyd Reese wants the job and considers Detroit one of the "uncut gems of the NFL"

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080925/SPORTS01/80925108/1049/rss14

Now thats some interesting stuff, I really like Floyd and feel like he has an eye for talent, that would be a great pick up for both sides I believe.

Sniper
09-25-2008, 08:46 PM
STOP TRASHING THE LIONS! COME ON!

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080925/SPORTS01/80925077/1048/sports

This is getting rediculous.

Not a word. But come on people, let the Lions have their day.

WMD
09-25-2008, 08:52 PM
Floyd Reese would be great. But I wonder if he can take the necessary time away from running the Moonlite Bunny Ranch to focus on the Lions.

bearsfan_51
09-25-2008, 09:04 PM
My initial intent was not to run down the Lions, it was to point out that firing Millen isn't enough because Millen isn't the #1 problem. That apparently got someone a bit worked up. But I digress.

Floyd Reese would be a good hire. He must really want back into football.

MetSox17
09-25-2008, 09:09 PM
Whoever gets the job in Detroit should clean house with the guys that are still valuable in the open market that probably wont be there for the next four years (Roy Williams, Cory Redding, Jon Kitna). They need new framework. They can't keep patching the faulty one.

FlyingElvis
09-26-2008, 10:38 AM
I love Reese as an analyst and find his perspective to be the most insightful and fresh thing to hit the talking head circuit in years. It sure would suck to lose that on the air, but I guess it's cool since I'm spending less and less time watching any shows not on NFLNetwork anyway.

If the rumor mill has it right, and Reese wanted Cutler over Young it would solidify my already high opinion of his talent as a GM. The "drafting 3 ROYs" tag would have to go since that means he didn't really want VY. But the Titans drafts are very solid through the top 3 rounds under Floyd's tenure. Bullock, Starks, Haynesworth, ect - and some late round gems like Scaife, Hill & quite a few others currently starting for Tennessee. Even his free agent work is strong - Drew Bennett, anyone?

Good luck Floyd - hope you land that dream job!

Since Roy has been mentioned several times already, here's my thoughts on a trade.

Roy Williams is a beast, and any team that signs him will be roundly credited for such a brilliant roster move. So, um, why should the Lions let him get away again?? Re-sign the guy. He's electric, and the tandem of Roy & Calvin is downright frightening. Trading him for a draft pick resulting in "potential" or a cog in a rebuilding project isn't going to help the Lions.

P-L
09-26-2008, 11:43 AM
My initial intent was not to run down the Lions, it was to point out that firing Millen isn't enough because Millen isn't the #1 problem. That apparently got someone a bit worked up. But I digress.

Floyd Reese would be a good hire. He must really want back into football.
No Millen is not the #1 problem, but he still was a major problem. When Wayne Fontes, Bobby Ross, and Gary Moeller ran football operation the Lions were "respectable." In 11 years under those three we went to the playoffs six times, won the division twice, and went 92-96 overall. Not good, but not bad. We basically averaged 8-8 a season over those 11 years. Under Millen, we never went to the playoffs, never won the division, and went 31-84 overall. We averaged 4-12 a season under Millen. Ford is a horrible owner, but the Lions did have moderate success in the 90's.

I don't think anyone is expecting the Lions to be the next NFL dynasty. However, getting back to the level we were at before Millen got here is a big step in the right direction.

PACKmanN
09-26-2008, 12:35 PM
Those bastards better stay away from Reggie Mckenizie and John Schneider of the Packers. Schefter mentioned them as possibilities today.

I wouldn't be surpirsed to see Mckenizie or Schneider being GMs this year.

CC.SD
09-26-2008, 03:07 PM
The stage is now set for Marty Schottenheimer, who has mentioned he'd like complete control of a team, to begin the rebuilding process once again.