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BuckDawg23
09-28-2008, 11:54 AM
What do you guys think of Orakpo as a 34 OLB? He had a pretty good game yesterday vs Arkansas, showed some multipled pass rush moves and was pretty good vs. the run. I see him as one of the top 34 OLB prospects in this draft and could go mid 1st round...Ive seen him in the top 15 of a lot of the top 100 overall prospect lists.

Cribbs>Hester
09-28-2008, 12:02 PM
I think he has a very good chance at ending up in the Top 10 this year if he has a good performance throughout the season. I like Orakpo, Hardy, Jackson, and Selvie all far far more than Michael Johnson.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-28-2008, 12:26 PM
I'm not entirely sold Orakpo will come out, as Texas has a record of keeping its juniors around, but if Gholston can go #6 overall then Orakpo definitely has a shot at the top 15.

MarioPalmer
09-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Orakpo looks very good, definitly a player that will get a lot of interest come the end of the season.

As for the 2009 NFL Draft, this is the draft for 3-4 schemes. If your team runs a 3-4 your going to take an OLB. There are just too many skilled pass rushers that will come out for a team no to take one.

I still think the mountain top is occupied by George Selvie. He is an outstanding prospect. A little light, but I think once he gets into a situation that will require him to play OLB in a 3-4 he will get to his playing weight and be able to keep it. I think he is trying to bulk up to counter any nay sayer about whether or not he can play in a 4-3 in the NFL. He would do wonders for a pass rushless team like the Browns, Dolphins, 49ers, etc. I could see him going top 5, then after that there are about 3 or 4 guys that will be in a workout war for the next spot.

Texas Homer
09-28-2008, 07:47 PM
He is a Beast for sure. A bigtime workout warrior that will most likely tear up the combine. He has 5.5 sacks so far this season.

I think he will finish up strong and go around 12 in the draft.

keylime_5
09-28-2008, 07:51 PM
I'm not entirely sold Orakpo will come out, as Texas has a record of keeping its juniors around, but if Gholston can go #6 overall then Orakpo definitely has a shot at the top 15.

well gholston was a freak athlete who had 14 sacks his junior year. He was bound to go top 10 with that size and strength and that production. Orakpo has to do a little more before we can call him a top 10 candidate. He has the athleticism though if he can put it together on the field to be a early first rounder.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-28-2008, 08:01 PM
well gholston was a freak athlete who had 14 sacks his junior year. He was bound to go top 10 with that size and strength and that production. Orakpo has to do a little more before we can call him a top 10 candidate. He has the athleticism though if he can put it together on the field to be a early first rounder.

He's got 5.5 sacks in 4 games so far, so he's off to a good start.

keylime_5
09-28-2008, 08:05 PM
yeah, that'll do the trick if he can keep that up. thing is the competition gets harder....but I'll be rooting for him b/c I want to see more pass rushers step up and look like first round picks b/c don't I know the Browns need some pass rush help.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-28-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm not entirely sold Orakpo will come out, as Texas has a record of keeping its juniors around, but if Gholston can go #6 overall then Orakpo definitely has a shot at the top 15.

he's a senior

Buckrock101
10-03-2008, 01:58 AM
He's been one of the most productive Defensive Ends in the nation so far, which is great for his case to be a top 15 pick. He is a physical specimen, who will likely rise come combine time. If he can put together something in the area of 10+ sacks and 15+ TFL this season, I can't see him falling out of the top 20.

Babylon
10-03-2008, 11:37 AM
He's been one of the most productive Defensive Ends in the nation so far, which is great for his case to be a top 15 pick. He is a physical specimen, who will likely rise come combine time. If he can put together something in the area of 10+ sacks and 15+ TFL this season, I can't see him falling out of the top 20.

So far they've played 4 cupcakes, let's see what he does against good teams.

Gchu83
10-03-2008, 11:45 AM
The work has paid off handsomely so far as Texas leads the nation with 16 sacks and Orakpo is second nationally with 5.5 sacks.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/big12/0-3-10/Orakpo-s-boxing-work-trains-him-for-monster-senior-season.html

MetSox17
10-03-2008, 11:52 AM
Romo is correct, Orakpo is a 5th year senior. He's beasting it, he's constantly pressuring the quarterback. Don't sleep on Sergio Kindle either. Orakpo will easily be a Top 20 pick.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-03-2008, 11:59 AM
he's a senior

I don't know why I thought he was a junior.

Matthew Jones
10-03-2008, 12:04 PM
I think he has a very good chance at ending up in the Top 10 this year if he has a good performance throughout the season. I like Orakpo, Hardy, Jackson, and Selvie all far far more than Michael Johnson.

I know that's right.

DiG
10-03-2008, 03:33 PM
hed be sick in cleveland next to wimbley. i know alex hall looks legit but i would just love to see orakpo and wimbley across from each other.

LonghornsLegend
10-03-2008, 05:39 PM
He's finally healthy, and yes he is a legitimate top 10 prospect if his production matches his physical ability...He would be a monster in the 3-4(felt the same way about Brian Robison), but Will Muschamp is putting him and Sergio Kindle in the position to make plays and has both of these guys playing to their potential...It's a beautiful thing to watch, typically our D lineman have slid a little bit because their production hasn't been matching up with their ability but I think he's in store for a huge year.


Keep your eye on him vs Oklahoma which I'm sure most people will get a chance to see, he's going to catch people's eye even more when he goes against that mammoth O-line and still makes plays....I can't say enough about the guy, he's got talent for days and it's really starting to show, getting Muschamp was a blessing because he's going to make the stock soar of some of our defensive studs...Orakpo and Kindle both look like legit top 20 prospects at this point.

Scott Wright
10-03-2008, 08:08 PM
I am re-working my rankings and Orakpo is going to be moving way up.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he isn't as good (or better) than Michael Johnson...

STARHEATHER
10-03-2008, 08:31 PM
i havent got any tape on tx yet but oklahoma is coming up. if he can perform at a high level in that game, then i think he may warrant some high consideration. word is hes a pretty outstanding athlete. the true test comes when he goes up against that offensive line. if he acquits himself well in that game could be looking at a mid rd 1 talent. if he gets owned by them, i could see his story having a different ending. its the biggest game of the year for orakpo. its the one true test hell get against nfl caliber o line prospects

P-L
10-03-2008, 09:09 PM
I'm trying to think of a reason why he isn't as good (or better) than Michael Johnson...
I don't think a reason like that exists.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-03-2008, 09:29 PM
I am re-working my rankings and Orakpo is going to be moving way up.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he isn't as good (or better) than Michael Johnson...

Beyond Johnson having longer arms and maybe being a bit quicker out of the blocks, I can't think of one either. Orakpo has definitely been the more impressive player this season.

Buckrock101
10-03-2008, 10:26 PM
I am re-working my rankings and Orakpo is going to be moving way up.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he isn't as good (or better) than Michael Johnson...

Johnson is taller and a bit quicker, but that is it. Orakpo has a much better build, is more physical, has more starting experience, and has experience against better opposition. He is easily better than Johnson right now.

MetSox17
10-11-2008, 01:42 PM
Anyone watching him today? Twice beat Loadholt like he stole something.

Sniper
10-11-2008, 01:43 PM
Anyone watching him today? Twice beat Loadholt like he stole something.

He's a speedster.

MetSox17
10-11-2008, 01:46 PM
He's a speedster.

His first sack was a beautiful inside swim-move. Loadholt just froze.

Sniper
10-11-2008, 01:48 PM
His first sack was a beautiful inside swim-move. Loadholt just froze.

Loadholt is a waste of space.

regoob2
10-11-2008, 01:54 PM
Loadholt is a waste of space.
Loadholt is good Orakpo is better.

Sniper
10-11-2008, 01:59 PM
Loadholt is good Orakpo is better.

Loadholt sucks. He really does. He is so insanely overrated it's sickening.

Babylon
10-11-2008, 03:02 PM
Loadholt sucks. He really does. He is so insanely overrated it's sickening.

I dont know if he sucks but his stock is dropping faster than my 401k.

jnew76
10-11-2008, 03:19 PM
Loadholt = AIG

I really have concerns as a Tiger fan going into next week. Orakpo and Kindle are beastly. First things first of course, OSU tonight.

MetSox17
10-11-2008, 03:37 PM
I love Orakpo, but in a 3-4, i think Kindle has the potential to be a better outside 'backer. I'd love to have Orakpo stay in a 4-3 defense in the pros. Watch the Texans draft him. Now that would be nice.

keylime_5
10-11-2008, 03:39 PM
Orakpo was really impressive today. All over the backfield, I saw at least 2 tfls and one sack from him and a lot of pressures.

Romyrick
10-11-2008, 04:24 PM
He remind anyone of shawn merriman?

Babylon
10-11-2008, 04:48 PM
Orakpo was really impressive today. All over the backfield, I saw at least 2 tfls and one sack from him and a lot of pressures.


And he was held on a regular basis.

Babylon
10-11-2008, 04:48 PM
Rey Maualuga came to play today.

Sorry wrong thread.

Mr.Regular
10-11-2008, 05:42 PM
He is going to destroy the combine. With his production at a crazy high level already, I see no reason why he can't push the top 10.

Gchu83
10-11-2008, 06:51 PM
I love Orakpo, but in a 3-4, i think Kindle has the potential to be a better outside 'backer. I'd love to have Orakpo stay in a 4-3 defense in the pros. Watch the Texans draft him. Now that would be nice.

Kindle should have the better potential since he's a natural outside linebacker, but I would also like to see Rak stay in a 4-3.

And as babylon posted, Orakpo gets held a lot. He's an absolute beast.

SuperKevin
10-11-2008, 08:29 PM
Orakpo will be a beast at 4-3 DE. He's so quick and his upper body is so strong that he's able to push blockers away with ease. I think he should be in the top DE discussion with Selvie and Hardy

keylime_5
10-11-2008, 08:44 PM
selvie I don't think is strong enough at the point of attack and can get thrown around by powerful linemen, especially in the running game, I take Orakpo over him 10times out of 10. Hardy has some good upside but he has some serious durability and motor issues to be ranked that high I think. Brian has some versatility too to boot.

bantx
10-11-2008, 08:55 PM
He is a perfect OLB imo hes very quick off the ball and he plays standing up on a few plays and looks real good, hes 6'4 about 260 perfect size.

one of my friends got a picture of him the man is huge

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v363/60/58/530305834/n530305834_966966_5904.jpg

SuperKevin
10-11-2008, 08:56 PM
He is a perfect OLB imo hes very quick off the ball and he plays standing up on a few plays and looks real good, hes 6'4 about 260 perfect size.

one of my friends got a picture of him the man is huge

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v363/60/58/530305834/n530305834_966966_5904.jpg

Yeah but he's also a perfect 4-3 DE and most times you put people at 3-4 OLB only if you have questions about their ability asa 4-3 DE.

keylime_5
10-11-2008, 09:06 PM
He is a good weakside pass rusher in a 4-3, but he has excellent tools for 3-4 OLB too, disguising blitzes like they do in that system and getting Orakpo off the edge in space on every play might accentuate his speed and athleticism.

bantx
10-11-2008, 09:13 PM
I love Orakpo, but in a 3-4, i think Kindle has the potential to be a better outside 'backer. I'd love to have Orakpo stay in a 4-3 defense in the pros. Watch the Texans draft him. Now that would be nice.

if kindle does play olb id want him to put on a little weight 6'4 239 is little small for me, could be a ILB

keylime_5
10-11-2008, 09:21 PM
Sergio Kindle from Texas and Thad Gibson from Ohio State are very similar. Both definitely outside edge rushers but a bit undersized at 6-3/240 each pretty much. I don't think they'd be as good inside unless on 3rd down you blitzed them inside like Sandiego does with Merriman sometimes and New England does with Thomas, but their speed and quickness is better suited off the edge, not as fulltime inside guys.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-11-2008, 09:33 PM
Yeah but he's also a perfect 4-3 DE and most times you put people at 3-4 OLB only if you have questions about their ability asa 4-3 DE.

Huh? You put a player at 3-4 OLB if you run that defense and for no other reason. Being a 3-4 outside linebacker isn't a detraction of someone's skill.

Cigaro
10-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Loadholt sucks. He really does. He is so insanely overrated it's sickening.

Loadholt will be a beastly guard. It'll be the defensive ends looking beastly if he stays outside, however.

SuperKevin
10-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Huh? You put a player at 3-4 OLB if you run that defense and for no other reason. Being a 3-4 outside linebacker isn't a detraction of someone's skill.

I should have been more clear. I think he's going to be seen strictly as a 4-3 DE rather than a tweener.

619
10-11-2008, 10:38 PM
Loadholt will be a beastly guard. It'll be the defensive ends looking beastly if he stays outside, however.

He's like 6'8 ??? That's one beast of a guard. RT is most likely imo.

SuperKevin
10-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Loadholt will be a beastly guard. It'll be the defensive ends looking beastly if he stays outside, however.

He's really tall for a guard. I thought interior linemen were ideally supposed to be a tad shorter than the tackles to allow quarterbacks to be able to see over the middle. I think Loadholt will find his place at RT in the pros.

ElectricEye
10-11-2008, 10:40 PM
Crazy similar to Vernon Gholston last year. I think he's a better fit at end than Gholston, but you almost want him taking on backs and moving around. I would prefer to see what he can do with his crazy athleticism standing up, but I wouldn't hesitate to take him as an end either. Stud.

SuperKevin
10-11-2008, 10:42 PM
Crazy similar to Vernon Gholston last year. I think he's a better fit at end than Gholston, but you almost want him taking on backs and moving around. I would prefer to see what he can do with his crazy athleticism standing up, but I wouldn't hesitate to take him as an end either. Stud.

You play him at end in a situation similar to how the Panthers use Julius Peppers. Peppers often will be put out in zone coverage in the flats to utilize his athletic ability.

ElectricEye
10-11-2008, 10:43 PM
So many things you can do with him. He'll have to prove he has the coverage skills first, but he has the athleticism to be used in a lot of ways.

SenorGato
10-12-2008, 12:03 AM
Huh? You put a player at 3-4 OLB if you run that defense and for no other reason. Being a 3-4 outside linebacker isn't a detraction of someone's skill.

Yea, I was going to post something like this when I saw that. It's not like most 3-4 OLBs wouldn't be solid 4-3 DE's...even very good ones.

If Orakpo is athletic enough, and willing to put in the work it takes to become a 3-4 OLB then he can be one...If he's good enough to be a top 10 pick then he's probably good enough to fit in multiple systems/fronts.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-12-2008, 01:13 AM
I should have been more clear. I think he's going to be seen strictly as a 4-3 DE rather than a tweener.

With that frame and measurement numbers, I think that's a hard pill to swallow. Not to say that Orakpo might not be better suited to play with his hand in the ground, but a guy who can move like that at that weight will always get a long look from 3-4 teams.

jbsg02
10-13-2008, 01:53 AM
Loadholt = AIG

I really have concerns as a Tiger fan going into next week. Orakpo and Kindle are beastly. First things first of course, OSU tonight.

I really did laugh at that

Pokeys
10-18-2008, 10:44 PM
Mizzou's O-line was no trouble for him, he was causing havoc all game long. The guy is impressive.

Smokey Joe
10-18-2008, 10:49 PM
top 10 pick, count on it...

jnew76
10-18-2008, 10:49 PM
I really did laugh at that

I am currently crying over both... Crushed by Orakpo-Phobia...

Borat
10-18-2008, 10:51 PM
top 10 pick, count on it...

I agree. Draftniks will be gushing over him after he works out.

Smokey Joe
10-18-2008, 10:52 PM
I agree. Draftniks will be gushing over him after he works out.
I'm pretty sure he can bench-press a semi.

LonghornsLegend
10-18-2008, 10:52 PM
I don't think a reason like that exists.

Yea right, Orakpo's freakish athleticism is off the charts same as MJ, but when MJ can start to produce some stats for once in his career then maybe but until then he isn't better then Orakpo...If he continues to wreck havoc at this pace he won't make it out of the top 10, injury concerns should be the only thing people have to worry about with him.


I think he could play DE in a 4-3 but depends on his weight, I think he comes in around 6'4 260 which is Demarcus Ware range which is why I think he could be a terror in the 3-4, he can play standing up and can be versatile enough to kick down on the line.

Smokey Joe
10-18-2008, 11:02 PM
He would be perfect for DE in a Cover 2 scheme.

619
10-18-2008, 11:10 PM
He would be perfect for DE in a Cover 2 scheme.

Dwight Freeney written all over him.

Wait but he's actually decent vs the run so that means he must be better, right ? :)

Borat
10-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Orakpo is what I wanted Manny Lawson to be.

LonghornsLegend
10-18-2008, 11:13 PM
He would be perfect for DE in a Cover 2 scheme.

I was also thinking that if it's a 4-3 a Cover 2 scheme would be ideal, but I also think Ware could be a great Cover 2 DE, so it may come down to who takes a look.

619
10-18-2008, 11:13 PM
Orakpo is what I wanted Manny Lawson to be.

Except Orakpo doesn't play in a 3-4 system.

Borat
10-18-2008, 11:23 PM
Except Orakpo doesn't play in a 3-4 system.

Neither did Manny.

MidwayMonster31
10-19-2008, 01:29 AM
How many college teams even use a 3-4 defense? I know Virginia does and Alabama sometimes does. Other teams might use hybrid 3-4 principles.
I think Orakpo could play in either one, as long as he can occasionally cover. It wouldn't surprise me if a team that plays 3-4 ends up drafting him.

Smokey Joe
10-19-2008, 01:52 AM
Plain and simple, Orakpo can play as a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 Cover 2 DE, and in either situation, he would be a beast.

SuperKevin
10-19-2008, 08:11 AM
How many college teams even use a 3-4 defense? I know Virginia does and Alabama sometimes does. Other teams might use hybrid 3-4 principles.
I think Orakpo could play in either one, as long as he can occasionally cover. It wouldn't surprise me if a team that plays 3-4 ends up drafting him.

Kansas State plays in a 3-4. Houston plays that weird 3-3-5 defense I believe

Smokey Joe
10-19-2008, 08:35 AM
Kansas State plays in a 3-4. Houston plays that weird 3-3-5 defense I believe
Ah, the 3-3-5 stack. The preferred defense of about 90% of High School teams it seems like. So far this year, I think I have the 3-3-5 stack either 6 or 7 times through 8 games.

Ozzy
10-19-2008, 02:42 PM
Orakpo is playing out of this world, he makes Gholston from Ohio State last year look like a bad prospect.

Orakpo should easily go in the top 5 selections in the NFL draft, especially if any of those teams run a 3/4. And even if they do not, he could easily play a down DE in a 4/3 anyway.

Having just a great season, good idea to take up boxing in the off season.

Gchu83
10-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Orakpo is playing out of this world, he makes Gholston from Ohio State last year look like a bad prospect.

Orakpo should easily go in the top 5 selections in the NFL draft, especially if any of those teams run a 3/4. And even if they do not, he could easily play a down DE in a 4/3 anyway.

Having just a great season, good idea to take up boxing in the off season.

Not to mention that he is also going to be an unbelievable workout warrior come the combine and pro-days. We're talking about 515 bench, 600 squat, 380 power clean, 4.6 Forty, and a 42 inch vertical. :eek:

TACKLE
10-19-2008, 02:56 PM
I think he's a better 3-4 DE/OLB than Gholston. Both him and Gholston have freak athletism bu t Orakpo seems to be more fluid where Ghoslton seemed stiff at times. I definitely think that Orakpo has Top 5 potential.

Leon Sandcastle
10-19-2008, 03:58 PM
DARN! Here I was hoping he'd fall to the Bills in the 20's. Greg Hardy is my contingency.

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 04:10 PM
3-4 olb. sure looks like the truth out there. reminds me somewhat of demarcus ware. superfreaky. i dont like him as an end. as an end he has liabilities. as a 3-4 olb he could be an elite one.

MetSox17
10-19-2008, 04:29 PM
3-4 olb. sure looks like the truth out there. reminds me somewhat of demarcus ware. superfreaky. i dont like him as an end. as an end he has liabilities. as a 3-4 olb he could be an elite one.

What are his liabilities as an end, because until now he has shown none.

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 05:03 PM
undersized. may not be able to hold up being a base end against the run game at the nfl level. youre going to have a 260 lb dude out there getting leaned on by nfl lineman play after play. hes going to get run on.

Smokey Joe
10-19-2008, 05:21 PM
undersized. may not be able to hold up being a base end against the run game at the nfl level. youre going to have a 260 lb dude out there getting leaned on by nfl lineman play after play. hes going to get run on.
This is such BS! Look at some of the top 4-3 DE's in the league. Now tell me how exactly Orakpo is too "small" to play as a 4-3 end.

Plus, don't forget, an NFL team could easily get Orakpo up to 270.

CashmoneyDrew
10-19-2008, 05:24 PM
This is such BS! Look at some of the top 4-3 DE's in the league. Now tell me how exactly Orakpo is too "small" to play as a 4-3 end.

Plus, don't forget, an NFL team could easily get Orakpo up to 270.

You did see who typed that statement right?

Smokey Joe
10-19-2008, 05:28 PM
You did see who typed that statement right?
Yeah, I saw after the fact. I can see why he was -700 rep.

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 06:10 PM
my rep is a badge of honor and the lower it gets the more right i feel. if you see the trent coles and dwight freenys of the world, they get run on. i just dont believe that its the best position for him. he could be an elite player in a 3-4 as an olb. i just think you start expecting him to stack the corner every play getting leaned on by ol all day hes going to break down. i think if you keep him off the edge and in space in best caters to his abilities if you take away some of those run responsibiltiies. i certainly didnt say i didnt like him. i think his physical skills are better for the 3-4. hes more terrel suggs than mario williams.

CashmoneyDrew
10-19-2008, 10:45 PM
my rep is a badge of honor and the lower it gets the more right i feel. if you see the trent coles and dwight freenys of the world, they get run on. i just dont believe that its the best position for him. he could be an elite player in a 3-4 as an olb. i just think you start expecting him to stack the corner every play getting leaned on by ol all day hes going to break down. i think if you keep him off the edge and in space in best caters to his abilities if you take away some of those run responsibiltiies. i certainly didnt say i didnt like him. i think his physical skills are better for the 3-4. hes more terrel suggs than mario williams.

You should be ashamed of your rep. I realize rep isn't everything in these forums at all, but you get neg repped because your opinions are backed up by horrible logic, not because they are different. I could respect a different opinion if there was sound logic for that opinion. You just come up with worthless drivel as to why you hate prospects.

Babylon
10-19-2008, 10:48 PM
You should be ashamed of your rep. I realize rep isn't everything in these forums at all, but you get neg repped because your opinions are backed up by horrible logic, not because they are different. I could respect a different opinion if there was sound logic for that opinion. You just come up with worthless drivel as to why you hate prospects.


And rep to you for such words of wisdom.

SenorGato
10-19-2008, 10:49 PM
I do think that Orakpo reminds me a little of Ware...but DeMarcus Ware would be too small to play 4-3 DE? OK...

bantx
10-19-2008, 10:52 PM
undersized. may not be able to hold up being a base end against the run game at the nfl level. youre going to have a 260 lb dude out there getting leaned on by nfl lineman play after play. hes going to get run on.

Do you know even if ur a OLB in a 3-4 they will still get blocked by the lineman right? So whats the difference in him doing it in a 4-3 in a 3 point stance?

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 10:53 PM
but hes better in the 3-4. its the position that suits him best. im sure he could play it. i see the same for orakpo. and in case you havent noticed, im proud of my rep. i dont care much what people think about what i say. im not here for affirmation

CashmoneyDrew
10-19-2008, 10:59 PM
but hes better in the 3-4. its the position that suits him best. im sure he could play it. i see the same for orakpo. and in case you havent noticed, im proud of my rep. i dont care much what people think about what i say. im not here for affirmation

You obviously are because you're posting your opinion.

Vox Populi
10-19-2008, 11:10 PM
my rep is a badge of honor and the lower it gets the more right i feel. if you see the trent coles and dwight freenys of the world, they get run on. i just dont believe that its the best position for him. he could be an elite player in a 3-4 as an olb. i just think you start expecting him to stack the corner every play getting leaned on by ol all day hes going to break down. i think if you keep him off the edge and in space in best caters to his abilities if you take away some of those run responsibiltiies. i certainly didnt say i didnt like him. i think his physical skills are better for the 3-4. hes more terrel suggs than mario williams.

You realize that Trent Cole is a very good run defender, right? Its not like teams are going to be asking him to be a left end in the NFL. His job will be to rush the passer first, hold his gap second, and for a guy with his strength I don't think it will be a huge issue. Its not like he is 240 like Jason Taylor or Aaron Schobel, the guy is a SOLID 260 and could probably lift more than anyone in this draft pound for pound. He puts up numbers AND he is a workout warrior. I'm doubting how much football you actually watch, because you say you've seen x number of games this year for every prospect that has a thread here, and thats many hundreds of hours of television that you certainly haven't watched because I sure as **** know you don't get paid to do it based on everything you have said at this site.

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 11:11 PM
obviously im not listening to you following me around like a puppy posting no information. if you dont have some info or some prospect based rebuttal, just dont bother. youre wasting your time with the pettiness.

STARHEATHER
10-19-2008, 11:15 PM
hes not a "very good run defender" hes a good pass rusher who you think is a good run defender because he gets lots of sacks. he wears down every year and gets hurt late in the year. not saing orakpo couldnt play 4-3 end. its not his best position. it doesnt matter how freakish you are. nfl lineman will wear these types down because the physical disparities. i see him best suited as a olb in the 3-4. again i say hes more demarcus ware than mario williams. that would be my reasoning. why hes more likely to be an elite 3-4 lb and not and elite 4-3 end

Vox Populi
10-19-2008, 11:16 PM
No, he is a very good run defender who gets exposure because he also happens to be a very good pass rusher. Any defensive lineman gets worn out over the course of a game, the good ones, like Orakpo and Cole manage to also be play makers for their teams. Orakpo came up with huge plays in both of the past two games for UT and there were a lot in the second half of the game against OU. Against Mizzou he barely even was asked to play in the 4th quarter. You want to see an end who gets gassed quickly, check out your man Tyson Jackson. He's been gassed for 2 years and is still riding the wake of his huge sophomore campaign.

Sniper
10-19-2008, 11:39 PM
hes not a "very good run defender" hes a good pass rusher who you think is a good run defender because he gets lots of sacks. he wears down every year and gets hurt late in the year

Yes, he's very good against the run. He's also missed only one game in 3 1/2 years, so your injured argument holds very little weight.

ElectricEye
10-20-2008, 02:14 AM
undersized. may not be able to hold up being a base end against the run game at the nfl level. youre going to have a 260 lb dude out there getting leaned on by nfl lineman play after play. hes going to get run on.

You do realize that he'll probably end up playing at 270+ with better strength than anyone in the draft, right? You do also realize that Mario Williams plays at 283, only another ten pounds, and that's considered MASSIVE for a defensive end....right? Of course not. You're a clown.

eaglesalltheway
10-20-2008, 06:47 AM
my rep is a badge of honor and the lower it gets the more right i feel. if you see the trent coles and dwight freenys of the world, they get run on. i just dont believe that its the best position for him. he could be an elite player in a 3-4 as an olb. i just think you start expecting him to stack the corner every play getting leaned on by ol all day hes going to break down. i think if you keep him off the edge and in space in best caters to his abilities if you take away some of those run responsibiltiies. i certainly didnt say i didnt like him. i think his physical skills are better for the 3-4. hes more terrel suggs than mario williams.

Trent Cole, gets run at, but if you knew a thing about football you would see that he makes those plays, and other ones as well. Yes he is undersized, but anyone who actually has seen an Eagles game knows he plays with leverage as good or better than any DE in the league. He has to, because he is small. He uses leverage so well that he makes up for hsi size, and even with how strong he is, he uses that leverage, which in effect, makes him stronger, and he uses his quickness to make plays. He makes plays run at him, in the middle, and on the opposite side of the field. He holds the POA as good as any RE in the league. (He may not be elite in the running game, but he certainly is very good.) Your ignorance gets grander and grander with every post.

eaglesalltheway
10-20-2008, 06:52 AM
hes not a "very good run defender" hes a good pass rusher who you think is a good run defender because he gets lots of sacks. he wears down every year and gets hurt late in the year. not saing orakpo couldnt play 4-3 end. its not his best position. it doesnt matter how freakish you are. nfl lineman will wear these types down because the physical disparities. i see him best suited as a olb in the 3-4. again i say hes more demarcus ware than mario williams. that would be my reasoning. why hes more likely to be an elite 3-4 lb and not and elite 4-3 end

OK, bring up Coles injuries. You will find it difficult to find end of the year injuries, because there are nonDude, he has been around making an impact at the end of the season every year since he bacome a starter. I would love for you to actually bakc this up with actual evidence, instead of yo just saying something and hoping we agree with it. You want to know the real truth? You are a liar, mythbusta, masquerading as someone with knowledge, when in reality you are the one being petty and vain.

rockio42
10-20-2008, 08:22 AM
I'm going to go out there and say that it is even harder to play the run at the 3-4 OLB spot because you are most likely taking on the OT anyway and yet you are starting standing up and don't have the advantage of shooting out of a 3-point stance and getting under the OT to drive him back.

SuperKevin
10-20-2008, 09:20 AM
If I were moderator mythbusta would be banned by now. Just saying

Sniper
10-20-2008, 09:24 AM
If I were moderator mythbusta would be banned by now. Just saying

Well then, how can I get a Vote SuperKevin for Moderator pin?

hobbes2053
10-20-2008, 09:56 AM
Yes, he's very good against the run. He's also missed only one game in 3 1/2 years, so your injured argument holds very little weight.

Everything mythbusta says holds little weight.

SuperKevin
10-20-2008, 12:17 PM
I feel it's unfair to try to put Brian Orapko in the same mold as Dwight Freeney and Trent Cole because Orapko's freakish upper body strength will make up for his "lack of size". Even giving up 30-50 lbs to an OT I think Orapko will have no trouble pushing through blocks.

ElectricEye
10-20-2008, 01:35 PM
Plus, he's not really THAT undersized. All the premier pass rushers these days are around Orakpo's size or smaller, with the exception of a few. What sets him apart is his freaky strength, which makes him play even bigger than he is.

Vikes99ej
10-20-2008, 01:35 PM
6'4 260 is undersized?

ATLDirtyBirds
10-20-2008, 01:39 PM
If I were moderator mythbusta would be banned by now. Just saying


If I were mod, his house would be burnt to the ground.

6'4 260 is undersized?


It's about what John Abraham plays at.

P-L
10-20-2008, 02:26 PM
6'4" 260 is not undersized. People are spoiled by Mario Williams and Julius Peppers. Aaron Kampman is 6'4" 265, Osi is 6'3" 260, John Abraham is 6'4" 265, and Terrell Suggs is 6'3" 260. 6'3"-6'4" and 260-270 seems pretty standard for a defensive end in today's NFL.

MetSox17
10-20-2008, 02:42 PM
P-L is right. Everyone wants a Mario Williams mold, and there's a reason why that guy was the first overall pick. You just don't find 'em like that very often.

Orakpo will not suffer much against the run. If he's drafted by a 4-3 team, he most likely will play the RE position, where a lot of the times he'll be one on one with the LT, with the occasional chip. People don't realize that he gets chipped and doubled as it is in college, and he still dominates games.

I don't think he will gain much more weight in the NFL, unless it's in his legs, because i think he's maxed out in his upper body. He's a freak as it is already. And also, why would you want a humongous player on the defensive line when his main attributes are his quickness and speed? If he's 6'6, 6'7, he doesn't play with anywhere near the same agility he has now.

Babylon
10-20-2008, 04:09 PM
6'4" 260 is not undersized. People are spoiled by Mario Williams and Julius Peppers. Aaron Kampman is 6'4" 265, Osi is 6'3" 260, John Abraham is 6'4" 265, and Terrell Suggs is 6'3" 260. 6'3"-6'4" and 260-270 seems pretty standard for a defensive end in today's NFL.


Size isnt an issue with this guy and 260 can become 270 for most NFL players rather easily. I do think he's right there with the top players in this draft and is probably going to be the first non QB non OT to come off the board.

Vox Populi
10-20-2008, 04:35 PM
It's about what John Abraham plays at.

I'd say more than what Abe plays at. Abe probably holds his weight to a maximum of 255, hes not a very big dude, I think Rak is probably going to weigh in higher than Abe has ever played at in his life. Abe was thought to be a linebacker in the pros by a lot of people, including Scott himself I believe.

eaglesalltheway
10-20-2008, 05:07 PM
If I were moderator mythbusta would be banned by now. Just saying

You have my vote, just say when and where and I will pull the lever...

Gchu83
10-20-2008, 09:45 PM
http://longhorns.fandome.com/video/105251/Texas-Longhorns-Beast-Brian-Orakpo/?q=k

Smokey Joe
10-20-2008, 10:04 PM
You'd think all that muscle would slow him down, but he carries it very well. I think Orakpo is my favorite DE prospect since Mario Williams. Orakpo has everything you look for in a player. He's just not a beast in the weight room like some other workout warriors, but he's also a great football player with great instincts and a great work ethic. Like Allen Bailey is a physical freak as well, hell even more so, but he isn't as a good of a football player, IMO.

I'd say Orakpo actually have a very good shot at top 5.

rainbeaukid2
10-20-2008, 10:15 PM
You'd think all that muscle would slow him down, but he carries it very well. I think Orakpo is my favorite DE prospect since Mario Williams. Orakpo has everything you look for in a player. He's just not a beast in the weight room like some other workout warriors, but he's also a great football player with great instincts and a great work ethic. Like Allen Bailey is a physical freak as well, hell even more so, but he isn't as a good of a football player, IMO.

I'd say Orakpo actually have a very good shot at top 5.

i think he does too unfortunately cuz i would love to see him rushing the passer on the niners, too bad passrush, although we are like last in the league in sacks, is like the third biggest need

Smokey Joe
10-20-2008, 10:19 PM
i think he does too unfortunately cuz i would love to see him rushing the passer on the niners, too bad passrush, although we are like last in the league in sacks, is like the third biggest need
He would be perfect for the Bears and as Adewale Ogunleye's replacement.

LonghornsLegend
10-21-2008, 12:04 AM
http://longhorns.fandome.com/video/105251/Texas-Longhorns-Beast-Brian-Orakpo/?q=k

Nice video, this is the part most know about, he's an animal in the weightroom, and to see the size he was out of HS is almost amazing...Love watching him off the edge, he's fast enough to beat most LT's to the outside but can bullrush his way to the QB if need be.


He's got a good chance to lead the nation in sacks at this point, I was pretty confident earlier he was a top 10 prospect at this point I think it's very unlikely he makes it out of the top 10.

Bruce Banner
10-21-2008, 12:10 AM
Jesus christ. Orakpo. Bucs. Now. Get it done Bruce. It's mofos like this that make me mad when we get beat in the first round of the playoffs. I'd rather ******* tank and get some freaks than have my hopes raised then **** on.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-21-2008, 12:44 AM
I was dreading the possibility of Gholston to Oakland last April, but I think I'd love to have Orakpo in town.

MetSox17
10-21-2008, 10:20 AM
Man i hope he breaks 40 reps of 225 at the combine. Scouts will absolutely piss themselves when he does that after running a 4.6 40.

regoob2
10-21-2008, 10:49 AM
He's Gholston 2.0. I think Orakpo's change of direction is better.

Sniper
10-21-2008, 10:49 AM
He's Gholston 2.0. I think Orakpo's change of direction is better.

Except, you know, Orakpo can actually stop the run.

Young Legend
10-21-2008, 11:04 AM
I was dreading the possibility of Gholston to Oakland last April, but I think I'd love to have Orakpo in town.

Seriously him in Oakland just wow with the emergence of Kalimba Edwards and the way Trevor Scott played on Sunday and with Burgess Oakland could have a very nice rotation at DE.

MetSox17
10-21-2008, 11:08 AM
Except, you know, Orakpo can actually stop the run.

Exactly. Gholston is a big block of muscle that can only run one direction. If you ask him to stop and cut on a dime, he'll take about three seconds to turn his whole body. Kinda like an 18 wheeler. lol

ElectricEye
10-21-2008, 11:27 AM
He's a much better football player than Gholston. Much stronger, better against the run, better football instincts overall. His moves off the pass rush are pretty good as well.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-21-2008, 01:34 PM
I'd say more than what Abe plays at. Abe probably holds his weight to a maximum of 255, hes not a very big dude, I think Rak is probably going to weigh in higher than Abe has ever played at in his life. Abe was thought to be a linebacker in the pros by a lot of people, including Scott himself I believe.


He weighed in at TC at 266. I'd imagine he shed a few pounds, because he's always played at about 255. He's mentioned doing some core training over the last 2 years to say healthy, which means he probably put on weight. So I'd imagine he's about 260.

Vox Populi
10-21-2008, 02:23 PM
He weighed in at TC at 266. I'd imagine he shed a few pounds, because he's always played at about 255. He's mentioned doing some core training over the last 2 years to say healthy, which means he probably put on weight. So I'd imagine he's about 260.

I guess thats not a bad thing if he put on that weight and can put up 7 sacks in 6 games and give him some more anchorage in the running game :P

MetSox17
10-23-2008, 11:53 AM
For those that haven't gotten a peek at Rak.
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/tex/graphics/fb-wallpaper/08_wp_orakpo_camp_1280.jpg

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-23-2008, 12:07 PM
Dang it, dang it, dang it a million times. I knew he'd eventually start getting all the hype. I had my team picking him #27 overall way back in May. Luckily(unluckily as well) we have sort of tanked it this year. I still don't think we'll be high enough because this guy is cruising for a Top 3 selection.

Mr. Stiller
10-23-2008, 02:20 PM
I was really hoping he could be the Heir to James Harrisons throne in 2-3 years.


If you watch James Harrison's style of passrushing, Orakpo is identical.

Number 10
10-23-2008, 02:36 PM
I don't see the Harrison comparison at all.

Harrison's game is built around leverage and his use of a strong base. He can bull rush anybody whenever he wants to. Orakpo is a little bit more explosive off the edge and doesn't have that kind of strength.

rainbeaukid2
10-23-2008, 04:29 PM
I don't see the Harrison comparison at all.

Harrison's game is built around leverage and his use of a strong base. He can bull rush anybody whenever he wants to. Orakpo is a little bit more explosive off the edge and doesn't have that kind of strength.

orakpo doesn't have strength!?! he benches 500+ lbs and squats 650+ lbs

Mr. Stiller
10-23-2008, 05:19 PM
I don't see the Harrison comparison at all.

Harrison's game is built around leverage and his use of a strong base. He can bull rush anybody whenever he wants to. Orakpo is a little bit more explosive off the edge and doesn't have that kind of strength.

Orakpo is 6'3.5 roughly...

MY point wasn't necessarily that they're Identical. But the body language and their style of play is similar.

Orakpo has the kind of strength that Harrison exhibits. He is more explosive off the edge without a doubt. I've seen Orakpo use leverage in every successful rush, whether getting under the Tackle and walking him back to the qb, or getting under the tackle on the edge and around.

Watching Harrison every week. Then Watching Orakpo, they're style and body language are very very similar.

The only difference I see is Orakpo is much bigger and much more explosive.

MetSox17
10-23-2008, 08:30 PM
I don't see the Harrison comparison at all.

Harrison's game is built around leverage and his use of a strong base. He can bull rush anybody whenever he wants to. Orakpo is a little bit more explosive off the edge and doesn't have that kind of strength.

He has brute strength, and measured strength. He chooses not to bull rush as much as he does because he's quicker than most guys he plays with. When he gets some nice coaching in the pro level, he'll find out that he wont be able to beat EVERYONE off the corner, and will use his power in his pass rush a lot more. The sky's the limit with this kid, he can do it all.

Number 10
10-23-2008, 08:35 PM
orakpo doesn't have strength!?! he benches 500+ lbs and squats 650+ lbs

But he tries to run around tackles, rarely uses an effective bull rush. Weight room strength can only mean so much.

LonghornsLegend
10-23-2008, 08:37 PM
But he tries to run around tackles, rarely uses an effective bull rush. Weight room strength can only mean so much.

I think Metsox just hit it on the head, he can beat everyone around the edge most times anyway, did you see him against Loadholt? No bullrush was needed, he's strong enough to add it in his arsenal and be great at it, it's not like he tries to use it but it doesn't work.


Watch him on stunts to the inside, he has a nasty bullrush when he needs to use it.

OaklandRaider56
10-23-2008, 08:48 PM
I think he's the best DE/OLB in college. I go to Texas Tech and I'm going to be scared for Graham Harrell when we play ut. Orakpo seems to be getting the credit he deserves finally... I really enjoyed watching him schooling the ove Loadholt.

Aftermath
10-24-2008, 05:53 PM
I want this Manchild in Orange and Black next year.

I dont care who we take with the remaining 6+ picks, i want him.

Bruce Banner
10-24-2008, 05:56 PM
I want this Manchild in Orange and Black next year.

I dont care who we take with the remaining 6+ picks, i want him.

Basically summed up my thoughts.

SenorGato
10-24-2008, 07:21 PM
So between him and a healthy Greg Hardy who do you like? Don't forget Everette Brown in this either...

This DE class could/should be loaded...well at the top at least.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-24-2008, 07:28 PM
So between him and a healthy Greg Hardy who do you like? Don't forget Everette Brown in this either...

This DE class could/should be loaded...well at the top at least.

Brian Orakpo hands down. There are so many other DE's I'd take over Hardy too.

Greg Hardy negatives:

Headcase
Lacks self motivation
Free lancer on the field
"Me" guy before "Team" guy
Reoccuring injury to the same foot(having multiple injuries is one thing, but when its the same injury now twice to the same foot thats what you call a liability)

1. Brian Orakpo
2. Michael Johnson(playing better than people think)
3. Jermaine Cunnigham(can't believe people don't talk about this guy)
4. George Selvie
5. Tyson Jackson
6. Everette Brown
7. Greg Hardy

Most Underrated DE is Orion Martin of Virginia Tech.

Sniper
10-24-2008, 07:45 PM
2. Michael Johnson(playing better than people think)


23 tackles, 8.0 TFL, 3 sacks? Kind of underwhelming for the hype he gets.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-24-2008, 08:01 PM
23 tackles, 8.0 TFL, 3 sacks? Kind of underwhelming for the hype he gets.


Thanks for the heads up on never trying to have an intellegent conversation with you. You see I actually watch games as opposed to just looking at a guys stat line.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-24-2008, 09:05 PM
Orakpo is a monster. That is all.

Turtlepower
10-24-2008, 10:10 PM
Brian Orakpo hands down. There are so many other DE's I'd take over Hardy too.

Greg Hardy negatives:

Headcase
Lacks self motivation
Free lancer on the field
"Me" guy before "Team" guy
Reoccuring injury to the same foot(having multiple injuries is one thing, but when its the same injury now twice to the same foot thats what you call a liability)

1. Brian Orakpo
2. Michael Johnson(playing better than people think)
3. Jermaine Cunnigham(can't believe people don't talk about this guy)
4. George Selvie
5. Tyson Jackson
6. Everette Brown
7. Greg Hardy

Most Underrated DE is Orion Martin of Virginia Tech.

Greg Hardy at 7 is a joke. He has been the best defensive player in the SEC this season, let alone possibly the country. He is a terror to all opposing o-lines. What is your reasoning for having him that low?

princefielder28
10-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Greg Hardy at 7 is a joke. He has been the best defensive player in the SEC this season, let alone possibly the country. He is a terror to all opposing o-lines. What is your reasoning for having him that low?

Greg Hardy negatives:

Headcase
Lacks self motivation
Free lancer on the field
"Me" guy before "Team" guy
Reoccuring injury to the same foot(having multiple injuries is one thing, but when its the same injury now twice to the same foot thats what you call a liability)


That would be my guess

PACKmanN
10-24-2008, 10:50 PM
wow, Hardy sounds like someone we all know pretty well.

Turtlepower
10-24-2008, 10:55 PM
Greg Hardy negatives:

Headcase
Lacks self motivation
Free lancer on the field
"Me" guy before "Team" guy
Reoccuring injury to the same foot(having multiple injuries is one thing, but when its the same injury now twice to the same foot thats what you call a liability)

M-E is in T-E-A-M, so I disagree with your assessment.

dunagan15
10-25-2008, 01:04 AM
I was really hoping he could be the Heir to James Harrisons throne in 2-3 years.


If you watch James Harrison's style of passrushing, Orakpo is identical.

Agree 100 %

Gchu83
10-28-2008, 06:22 PM
Orakpo's Stats in 8 Games this Season:

33 Tkls (25 Solo)
14 TFL
9 Sacks
21 QBH
3 FF
2 Pass BrUp

Smokey Joe
10-28-2008, 07:15 PM
He's a freaking best. He is my favorite DE prospect since Mario Williams.

TACKLE
10-28-2008, 08:02 PM
Absolute freak.

Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

bantx
10-28-2008, 08:04 PM
Rak Daddy!!

SuperKevin
10-28-2008, 08:06 PM
To me he's bordering on Merriman levels of freakishness

LonghornsLegend
10-28-2008, 08:26 PM
He is a massive human being.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-28-2008, 08:33 PM
THE ORAKPO FILE
Nickname: Rak
My playing style: Too fast for your eyes


Beast.

bantx
10-28-2008, 08:39 PM
THE ORAKPO FILE
Nickname: Rak
My playing style: Too fast for your eyes


Beast.

Rak DaddY!!!!!

steelersfan43
10-28-2008, 09:05 PM
You'd think all that muscle would slow him down, but he carries it very well. I think Orakpo is my favorite DE prospect since Mario Williams. Orakpo has everything you look for in a player. He's just not a beast in the weight room like some other workout warriors, but he's also a great football player with great instincts and a great work ethic. Like Allen Bailey is a physical freak as well, hell even more so, but he isn't as a good of a football player, IMO.

I'd say Orakpo actually have a very good shot at top 5.

Is that a joke??!!!
Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

He benches 515 and squats 600+, if that isnt beastly I am afraid to find out what is.

bantx
10-28-2008, 09:08 PM
might want to reread his sentence

BamaFalcon59
10-28-2008, 09:09 PM
I believe he meant to say 'not only', rather than just 'not'. Considering how his paragraph about Orakpo gos, that would make a lot more sense.

princefielder28
10-28-2008, 09:09 PM
Is that a joke??!!!
Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

He benches 515 and squats 600+, if that isnt beastly I am afraid to find out what is.

Read the second part of his statement; let me summarize: he's a great workout warrior and has the gameplay to back it up, with his technique and motor

BamaFalcon59
10-28-2008, 09:13 PM
That video just reminds me how 'freakish' the athletes in the NFL are.

Danny boy
10-28-2008, 10:02 PM
Gholston part 2, but Orakpo is better at stopping the run.

keylime_5
10-28-2008, 10:06 PM
meh, more consistently better at stopping the run. Vernon took a lot of plays off, but sometimes he was completely dominant against the run being so strong. Orakpo is a lot more consistent this year than Gholston was last year.

ElectricEye
10-28-2008, 10:24 PM
The type of athletes football is producing is downright scary.

Bruce Banner
10-29-2008, 12:10 AM
The fact that there are people like him is a tribute to what a continually good diet and controlled environment can do to a gene pool.

200 years ago people could workout everyday of their lives and not get close to this.

Danny boy
10-29-2008, 04:30 AM
Just a thought. Could Orapo play quick end effectively in a 4-3 NFL Defense??

Lets say the Texans draft him, play him a quick end and move Mario to the strongside. Would that work???

ATLDirtyBirds
10-29-2008, 05:07 AM
Just a thought. Could Orapo play quick end effectively in a 4-3 NFL Defense??

Lets say the Texans draft him, play him a quick end and move Mario to the strongside. Would that work???


I think with their pass rushing skill-set, they are both RE's or quickends. But yes, it could work.

giantsfan
10-29-2008, 05:23 AM
I think with their pass rushing skill-set, they are both RE's or quickends. But yes, it could work.

But both have the strength to be effective against the run against those bigger RTs as well. I think either one could really flourish at either position. Orakpo and Mario are my two favorite DE prospects in a while. Merriman, Jamal Anderson and Harvey are my next three.

Rak isn't the absolutely inhuman freak of nature mario is but he's been a much more consistent and dominant player at the college level. He's just ferocious and has a great engine as well as incredible skils.

ElectricEye
10-29-2008, 05:32 AM
I wouldn't mess with anything to do with Mario right now. Don't touch a damn thing. They have it right. Orakpo might be able to play LE effectively though. That line would have no excuse not to wreak absolute havoc on offensive lines in a few years.

LonghornsLegend
10-29-2008, 09:11 AM
That's why I didn't understand the mocks that had the Texans taking a RE, I don't think you should mess with Mario or move him around, and Rak should be a pass rushing end, he can probably fit as a LE but I think you would want his natural pass rushing skills on the QB's blindside.


Especially if he's a top 10 pick, why would you want him on the left side?

619
10-29-2008, 09:50 AM
Gholston part 2, but Orakpo is better at stopping the run.

He's closer to Ware than Gholston in a 3-4 set.

Also a comparison to a 4-3 DE I've seen before here that isn't too bad is John Abraham.

SuperKevin
10-29-2008, 09:52 AM
I liek the John Abraham comparison. Part of me also wants to say he's similar to Julian Peterson in his ability to likely playOLB in any scheme with his athleticism as well as 4-3 DE

MetSox17
10-29-2008, 10:26 AM
But both have the strength to be effective against the run against those bigger RTs as well. I think either one could really flourish at either position. Orakpo and Mario are my two favorite DE prospects in a while. Merriman, Jamal Anderson and Harvey are my next three.

Rak isn't the absolutely inhuman freak of nature mario is but he's been a much more consistent and dominant player at the college level. He's just ferocious and has a great engine as well as incredible skils.

The only thing Mario Williams has Rak on is the size to speed ratio. Mario Williamses only appear two, three times in a decade.

Also, i agree with everyone else when saying to the Texans; "LEAVE MARIO WILLIAMS THE F ALONE!".

They have no business moving him around anymore. He's playing lights out where he is, there's no need to try him out at the strong side again. Besides, Orakpo isn't gonna last to the Texans pick. He's going top five for sure (barring injury. *knocks on wood*)

rockio42
10-29-2008, 10:43 AM
If he did play LE it wouldn't be terrible, I mean a pass-rusher in Leonard Little has played LE his entire career

SuperKevin
10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
I never understood why you can't have great pass rushers on both ends of the line?

keylime_5
10-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Mario is a lot like Peppers, he'd be a natural fit at LDE. Williams and Orakpo at either end would be the next step towards Houston building a dominant defense, which I know is what the Houston brass have been aiming for since 2006.

Clayton89
10-29-2008, 02:45 PM
actually Mario Williams switches sides quite often during a game depending on the call. So Orakpo would fit in nicely(especially considering that is their most glaring need).

Paranoidmoonduck
10-29-2008, 04:34 PM
I liek the John Abraham comparison. Part of me also wants to say he's similar to Julian Peterson in his ability to likely playOLB in any scheme with his athleticism as well as 4-3 DE

I will admit that I haven't seen as much of Orakpo as some, but what I have seen hasn't screamed Julian Peterson to me. Peterson was one of the very best strong side linebackers I've ever see during the height of his career, and I've barely seen Orakpo play coverage in the flats, much less cover a tight end successfully 20 yards downfield.

giantsfan
10-29-2008, 05:39 PM
If houston has a shot at Rak and passes they're fools. That said I agree that he's going to be going top 5 and I actually have him going to Cincinnati third overall in my mock.

Gchu83
10-29-2008, 06:38 PM
I will admit that I haven't seen as much of Orakpo as some, but what I have seen hasn't screamed Julian Peterson to me. Peterson was one of the very best strong side linebackers I've ever see during the height of his career, and I've barely seen Orakpo play coverage in the flats, much less cover a tight end successfully 20 yards downfield.

That's because he really hasn't done any of this so far this season. I understand why Orakpo's athletic ability is making a lot of people think he will be an OLB in the NFL, but the guy is simply an amazing pass rusher and I hope he stays at DE.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-29-2008, 08:24 PM
That's because he really hasn't done any of this so far this season. I understand why Orakpo's athletic ability is making a lot of people think he will be an OLB in the NFL, but the guy is simply an amazing pass rusher and I hope he stays at DE.

I think that, mostly, people consider the switch from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB a short hop and the switch from 3-4 OLB to 4-3 OLB a short hop. This doesn't mean, though, that switching from 4-3 DE to 4-3 OLB is anything but a very drastic shift.

Smokey Joe
10-29-2008, 08:54 PM
Is that a joke??!!!
Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

He benches 515 and squats 600+, if that isnt beastly I am afraid to find out what is.
That's not what I was saying. I was saying that he is a great football player and a great workout warrior. A lot of times you'll have players who are great football players but not freak's in the weight room. And then you'll have freaks in weight room who just aren't that good of players.

EDIT: I see other's have already explained this.

steelersfan43
10-29-2008, 09:04 PM
That's not what I was saying. I was saying that he is a great football player and a great workout warrior. A lot of times you'll have players who are great football players but not freak's in the weight room. And then you'll have freaks in weight room who just aren't that good of players.

EDIT: I see other's have already explained this.


The ordering of your words threw me off. If you said 'hes not just a workout warrior.....' I would have got it but 'hes just not a workout warrior..' Makes it seem like your saying his only flaw is that he is not a workout warrior.

Smokey Joe
10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
The ordering of your words threw me off. If you said 'hes not just a workout warrior.....' I would have got it but 'hes just not a workout warrior..' Makes it seem like your saying his only flaw is that he is not a workout warrior.
eh, whatever... no harm no foul.

MetSox17
10-29-2008, 09:27 PM
I think that, mostly, people consider the switch from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB a short hop and the switch from 3-4 OLB to 4-3 OLB a short hop. This doesn't mean, though, that switching from 4-3 DE to 4-3 OLB is anything but a very drastic shift.

If a 4-3 team drafts him, to switch him to LB, their coaching staff should be fired. This guy is a DE. He plays like one, he looks like one and.. uhh.. he plays like one. Of course, any team would be lucky to have him, regardless of scheme, but the only position he should EVER switch to, would be to OLB in a 3-4.

Bruce Banner
10-29-2008, 09:32 PM
If a 4-3 team drafts him, to switch him to LB, their coaching staff should be fired. This guy is a DE. He plays like one, he looks like one and.. uhh.. he plays like one. Of course, any team would be lucky to have him, regardless of scheme, but the only position he should EVER switch to, would be to OLB in a 3-4.

^^^
This.

I couldn't fathom a team switching him to a LB.

Aftermath
10-29-2008, 09:48 PM
If houston has a shot at Rak and passes they're fools. That said I agree that he's going to be going top 5 and I actually have him going to Cincinnati third overall in my mock.

Good man!!!

LonghornsLegend
10-29-2008, 09:55 PM
Him and Okam did get recruited in the same class and Okam was the 5* guy, not sure how he's doing so far for them but if they did end up with Rak they would have the key pieces to a dominant D-line for a long time.

keylime_5
10-29-2008, 10:27 PM
That's because he really hasn't done any of this so far this season. I understand why Orakpo's athletic ability is making a lot of people think he will be an OLB in the NFL, but the guy is simply an amazing pass rusher and I hope he stays at DE.

in a 4-3, it is arguable that he could be an even more effective pass rusher as an OLB since he'd be out in space and his quickness would help him get to the QB even more than with his hand down every play, especially with all the blitzes you can disguise in that defense. I don't think Ware or Merriman, or certainly not James Harrison, would get as many sacks in a 4-3.

Gchu83
10-29-2008, 11:06 PM
Him and Okam did get recruited in the same class and Okam was the 5* guy, not sure how he's doing so far for them but if they did end up with Rak they would have the key pieces to a dominant D-line for a long time.

Funny thing that Rak was a 3* and Okam was considered one the best DL coming out of h.s. that year. But I would love to see the Texans pick him up, the guy is an absolute beast.

eaglesalltheway
10-30-2008, 06:37 AM
The ordering of your words threw me off. If you said 'hes not just a workout warrior.....' I would have got it but 'hes just not a workout warrior..' Makes it seem like your saying his only flaw is that he is not a workout warrior.

Well that vid was a positive that came out of that confusion...

eaglesalltheway
10-30-2008, 06:37 AM
^^^
This.

I couldn't fathom a team switching him to a LB.

I'll third that...

giantsfan
10-30-2008, 07:31 AM
If a 4-3 team drafts him, to switch him to LB, their coaching staff should be fired. This guy is a DE. He plays like one, he looks like one and.. uhh.. he plays like one. Of course, any team would be lucky to have him, regardless of scheme, but the only position he should EVER switch to, would be to OLB in a 3-4.

I could actually see him playing the Four-Three as a LB, but he'd have to play up on the line a lot early and the team would have to have bookends already.

When kiwi came out a lot of people where questioning if he could even make the change to Three-Four OLB but he looked great as the SAM in our Four-Three all summer long, until Osi went out for the season and he had to go back to DE, so nothing's impossible and he's certainly got the ability to play OLB in either scheme but I really do hope we get to see what he can do as a Four-Three DE.

Bruce Banner
10-30-2008, 08:11 AM
I wouldn't recommend drafting a DE in the first, only to make him a SLB.

ElectricEye
10-30-2008, 08:40 AM
He's an end. He's a OLB in a 3-4, and a pretty good one at that, but he's an end. He's only going to get bigger. He would have to shed some weight to play linebacker, almost. With 8% body fat, the only way he would be able to do that would be to give up strength.

giantsfan
10-30-2008, 08:42 AM
I wouldn't recommend drafting a DE in the first, only to make him a SLB.

You can never have too many pass rushers :)

bantx
10-30-2008, 08:44 AM
He's an end. He's a OLB in a 3-4, and a pretty good one at that, but he's an end. He's only going to get bigger. He would have to shed some weight to play linebacker, almost. With 8% body fat, the only way he would be able to do that would be to give up strength.

um hes 6'4 260

shawne merriman 6'4 272

lose what weight?

Bruce Banner
10-30-2008, 08:45 AM
um hes 6'4 260

shawne merriman 6'4 272

lose what weight?

I think he meant 4-3 LB. But I am not sure.

giantsfan
10-30-2008, 08:54 AM
I think he meant 4-3 LB. But I am not sure.

Kiwi's 6'5" 265. Again not saying it'd be a good idea, but orakpo's going to be special as long as he keeps working and honing his craft, so grabbing him and working him into the lineup where every you could get him on the field makes sense to me, but as a former DE/LB I love defenders that can attack the QB and penetrate to disrupt the run so maybe that's why I'd rather have a converted DE at LB than a lot of other positions in the draft especially if I could get a guy like Rak who I know would be filthy where ever we could get him onto the field.

MetSox17
10-30-2008, 10:57 AM
Kiwi's 6'5" 265. Again not saying it'd be a good idea, but orakpo's going to be special as long as he keeps working and honing his craft, so grabbing him and working him into the lineup where every you could get him on the field makes sense to me, but as a former DE/LB I love defenders that can attack the QB and penetrate to disrupt the run so maybe that's why I'd rather have a converted DE at LB than a lot of other positions in the draft especially if I could get a guy like Rak who I know would be filthy where ever we could get him onto the field.

We understand what you're saying, but Kiwanuka was no where near Orakpo's stratosphere in terms of talent. Also, you basically took a flyer on Kiwanuka, 1. because you already had two very good DE's, and 2. because you picked him up at the bottom of the first round.

Orakpo is being projected easily into the top ten, and once teams see him work out in person, he'll go top five for sure. You don't pick someone that high, who has already proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he can play DE, just to start toying around with him, ESPECIALLY in a scheme where he has shown he could be successful! It doesn't make any sense whatsoever! Linebackers are a dime a freakin' dozen, potential game-breaking DE's are not.

Him and Okam did get recruited in the same class and Okam was the 5* guy, not sure how he's doing so far for them but if they did end up with Rak they would have the key pieces to a dominant D-line for a long time.

Well Okam always had the talent, and at times did play like the five star talent he was, but his issue was more motivational than anything. He's another Myron Rolle type, except he has the motor of a Toyota Prius.

giantsfan
10-30-2008, 11:57 AM
We understand what you're saying, but Kiwanuka was no where near Orakpo's stratosphere in terms of talent. Also, you basically took a flyer on Kiwanuka, 1. because you already had two very good DE's, and 2. because you picked him up at the bottom of the first round.

Orakpo is being projected easily into the top ten, and once teams see him work out in person, he'll go top five for sure. You don't pick someone that high, who has already proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he can play DE, just to start toying around with him, ESPECIALLY in a scheme where he has shown he could be successful! It doesn't make any sense whatsoever! Linebackers are a dime a freakin' dozen, potential game-breaking DE's are not.



Well Okam always had the talent, and at times did play like the five star talent he was, but his issue was more motivational than anything. He's another Myron Rolle type, except he has the motor of a Toyota Prius.

My point, however twisted and tangential my path towards making it, was that Rak is such a beast I'd draft him even if I had two stud DEs, so long as you've got the franchise QB and LT.

Mr. Stiller
10-30-2008, 12:22 PM
If Cincy gets the #1 Pick..

Oher or Orakpo..

I"m leaning Rak.

Turtlepower
10-30-2008, 12:31 PM
If Cincy gets the #1 Pick..

Oher or Orakpo..

I"m leaning Rak.

Greg Hardy. =P

LonghornsLegend
10-30-2008, 10:01 PM
Nice article about him from the DMN:

Orakpo bench presses 515 pounds, or about twice his playing weight. He has run an electronically timed 4.7 in the 40. And he possesses an NBA-esque 42-inch vertical jump to go with 8 percent body fat.

"He's got a drive and a passion that wants to be good," said Jeff "Mad Dog" Madden, Texas' assistant athletic director for strength and conditioning. "Pound for pound, he's probably one of the best we've had here, having the numbers he does."

Not bad for a player who arrived in Austin at 215 pounds as a freshman with a bench press in the low 300s.

Even Rylan Reed, the Texas Tech offensive lineman who will probably draw Orakpo as an assignment, has been impressed. He describes Orakpo's bench press as "not normal" and that comes from a 6-7, 314-pound senior who set a Tech bench press record with 625 pounds in July.

"He's an unbelievable athlete, a great player. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to play against him," Reed said. "When this is all done, the season is over with, I think I might have found my workout partner."

With 8.5 sacks in eight games, Orakpo is tied for seventh nationally while leading the Big 12.

con't....
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/103008dnspocarlton.34e1bf3.html

eaglesalltheway
10-31-2008, 06:47 AM
"He's not normal..."

It may sound differently, but that is one of the best compliments you can get from an opponent.

hobbes2053
10-31-2008, 10:35 AM
If Cincy gets the #1 Pick..

Oher or Orakpo..

I"m leaning Rak.

I want Orakpo so bad it's not even funny.

eaglesalltheway
10-31-2008, 11:39 AM
I want Orakpo so bad it's not even funny.

Thats how I am with Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Andre Smith or William Moore. I just want at least one of them available for one of the Eagles' picks. The way it is looking though, the Eagles are going to need to lose some more for either fo that to happen, or the Panthers need to tank.

Pokeys
11-09-2008, 11:22 PM
Okay soooo we all love Orakpo pretty much I think thats safe to say... Now I'm wondering how you guys think he stacks against the top Defensive ends of the past 2 drafts. Chris Long, Derrick Harvey, Gholston, Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Jarvis Moss, Carriker, and the other Defensive Ends taken?

TACKLE
11-09-2008, 11:29 PM
As prospects I'd rank them like this.

1. Chris Long
2. Gaines Adams
3. Brian Orkapo
4. Vernon Gholston
5. Jamaal Anderson

D-Unit
11-09-2008, 11:33 PM
If Orakpo is used as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL he won't be as good as if he plays as a 4-3 DE.

MetSox17
11-09-2008, 11:35 PM
Is Jamaal Anderson even worth having on a list, at all?

Carriker has been doing good for the Rams, but obviously he was switched positions. Gaines Adams is a stud, so he's undoubtedly number one for me. The best athlete, with production to back it up, is no doubt Brian Orakpo.

MetSox17
11-09-2008, 11:35 PM
If Orakpo is used as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL he won't be as good as if he plays as a 4-3 DE.

Yeah, we've brought that up a few times before. I think Sergio Kindle is gonna be an extremely good 3-4 guy though.

vidae
11-09-2008, 11:39 PM
I am praying that Orakpo is there for the Chiefs when we pick.

We do not get pressure on the QB at all right now and we need to fix that asap if we want our defense to continue to improve.

BamaFalcon59
11-09-2008, 11:40 PM
Is Jamaal Anderson even worth having on a list, at all?

Carriker has been doing good for the Rams, but obviously he was switched positions. Gaines Adams is a stud, so he's undoubtedly number one for me. The best athlete, with production to back it up, is no doubt Brian Orakpo.

He was a better prospect than Carriker or Moss, so yes. NFL production should never be taken into account when discussing past prospects.

He has been better as of late, though.

MetSox17
11-09-2008, 11:50 PM
He was a better prospect than Carriker or Moss, so yes. NFL production should never be taken into account when discussing past prospects.

He has been better as of late, though.

My bad, didn't think we were making a list as far as them being prospects. Wasn't really specified in the post. As a prospect, it's hard to put anyone in front of Orakpo.

MetSox17
11-09-2008, 11:51 PM
I am praying that Orakpo is there for the Chiefs when we pick.

We do not get pressure on the QB at all right now and we need to fix that asap if we want our defense to continue to improve.

Wait, so you traded away the best defensive player you all had (coincidentally, a DE) and now you're gonna go back to the well and draft a DE?! Wow. Lol. Sucks that it ended that way, but you were probably better off getting something for Allen, who didn't wanna be there, obviously.

He sure beasted it today against the Pack.

vidae
11-10-2008, 12:59 AM
Wait, so you traded away the best defensive player you all had (coincidentally, a DE) and now you're gonna go back to the well and draft a DE?! Wow. Lol. Sucks that it ended that way, but you were probably better off getting something for Allen, who didn't wanna be there, obviously.

He sure beasted it today against the Pack.

At the time, it was believed that moving Hali over and having a rotation of Turk and two other DEs would be sufficient. Obviously it hasn't been, but, the picks we got from Jared Allen turned out to be Branden Albert (starter, stud), Jamaal Charles (really nice compliment to LJ, wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the feature back), and Dajuan Morgan (who hasn't REALLY impressed but will make a contribution sooner rather than later).

I imagine how great our defense would be right now with Allen and it's sad, but we absolutely need a pass rush. Watching our D not get to the QB every week makes it sad times in KC. :(

eazyb81
11-10-2008, 10:41 AM
Who do you guys think Orakpo compares to? Is anyone concerned that he is not tall or long enough to beat NFL left tackles?

Paul
11-10-2008, 11:01 AM
Who do you guys think Orakpo compares to? Is anyone concerned that he is not tall or long enough to beat NFL left tackles?

I don't believe length and height is a prerequisite for being a good passrusher. As long as you have the technique and that "non-stop motor" as people call it, you can be an effective rusher. You combine that with the strength and speed of Orapko, you have yourself a fine player.

villagewarrior
11-10-2008, 11:31 AM
I don't believe length and height is a prerequisite for being a good passrusher. As long as you have the technique and that "non-stop motor" as people call it, you can be an effective rusher. You combine that with the strength and speed of Orapko, you have yourself a fine player.

You can be a good pass rusher like that, but can you be a good overall DE? What is Orakpo listed at? 6'3 270? Apparently he's got the strength and quickness and a motor, but the size is something that needs to be taken into account.

bored of education
11-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Question is, should the Chiefs draft him if no QB is available?

Paul
11-10-2008, 12:07 PM
You can be a good pass rusher like that, but can you be a good overall DE? What is Orakpo listed at? 6'3 270? Apparently he's got the strength and quickness and a motor, but the size is something that needs to be taken into account.

You don't have to be built like Mario Williams to be a good overall DE. I mean you make it sound as if 6'3-6'4 265-270 is undersized for a DE, when in fact some of the best DE/OLB in the league right now are pretty much built the same way.

Sniper
11-10-2008, 12:27 PM
Question is, should the Chiefs draft him if no QB is available?

Probably. If you don't want to grab another OL, you should.

SuperKevin
11-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Question is, should the Chiefs draft him if no QB is available?

What about Brian Johnston? Gardner-Webb FTW!

LonghornsLegend
11-10-2008, 12:30 PM
You can be a good pass rusher like that, but can you be a good overall DE? What is Orakpo listed at? 6'3 270? Apparently he's got the strength and quickness and a motor, but the size is something that needs to be taken into account.


Dwight Freeney 6'1 268
Elvis Dumervil 5'11 260
Osi Umenyiora 6'3 261
John Abraham 6'4 263




Should I go on?

Babylon
11-10-2008, 02:13 PM
Dwight Freeney 6'1 268
Elvis Dumervil 5'11 260
Osi Umenyiora 6'3 261
John Abraham 6'4 263




Should I go on?

Good comparisons, i think when you see what the Giants do with Osi and Justin Tuck you can plug Orakpo into that roll and your off to the races.

Basileus777
11-10-2008, 02:16 PM
Probably. If you don't want to grab another OL, you should.

It wouldn't make sense to draft another LT when Albert has played well. It would be a waste to take a 2nd left tackle in order to move a promising young player to less valuable position when you can fill an actual need.

Olympia Martin
11-10-2008, 05:01 PM
It wouldn't make sense to draft another LT when Albert has played well. It would be a waste to take a 2nd left tackle in order to move a promising young player to less valuable position when you can fill an actual need.

Im not sure I agree 100% on that statement. Albert has played well at LT, but could he be dominant at LG? If you had the chance to select Andre Smith to play LT and team he and Albert next to each other that could potentially be your future Roaf/Shields combo on the left side that could dominant for years. I think Orakpo has to be in the mix for KC simply because they only have 6 sacks in 9 games, but I don't think at this point I would take Orakpo over Andre Smith even if I had Brandon Albert on my roster and took him #17 overall last year. Albert's versatility gives you flexibility on this selection next year. Orakpo or Smith or Bradford/Stafford I think are all in the mix for KC. Im sure many will disagree with me thinking Andre Smith is an option for the Chiefs. However If I was doing a mock I wouldnt have the Chiefs picking Smith because I think he goes before they pick, which is besides the point Im trying to make.

MetSox17
11-10-2008, 05:52 PM
Good comparisons, i think when you see what the Giants do with Osi and Justin Tuck you can plug Orakpo into that roll and your off to the races.

I don't think that was a comparison, as much as him listing people that are "undersized" and are very successful.

Orakpo is a bit of Vernon Gholston and a bit of Chris Long. The effort, motor and technique of Long with the Athleticism of Gholston. You most definitely don't need to be tall, just well built.

Being too tall can be a bad thing as well. It can limit your agility and your pass rush efficiency (unless you're a freak like super mario or peppers). I think 6'2-6'5 is ideal for a DE, especially cause you can get better leverage on the taller OT's, and still out-quick them.

Babylon
11-10-2008, 06:04 PM
I don't think that was a comparison, as much as him listing people that are "undersized" and are very successful.

Orakpo is a bit of Vernon Gholston and a bit of Chris Long. The effort, motor and technique of Long with the Athleticism of Gholston. You most definitely don't need to be tall, just well built.

Being too tall can be a bad thing as well. It can limit your agility and your pass rush efficiency (unless you're a freak like super mario or peppers). I think 6'2-6'5 is ideal for a DE, especially cause you can get better leverage on the taller OT's, and still out-quick them.


You're right, comparison probably wasnt the proper word, to me we're talking 4-3 ends that can put pressure on the QB. All those mentioned have been pretty successful.

Basileus777
11-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Im not sure I agree 100% on that statement. Albert has played well at LT, but could he be dominant at LG? If you had the chance to select Andre Smith to play LT and team he and Albert next to each other that could potentially be your future Roaf/Shields combo on the left side that could dominant for years. I think Orakpo has to be in the mix for KC simply because they only have 6 sacks in 9 games, but I don't think at this point I would take Orakpo over Andre Smith even if I had Brandon Albert on my roster and took him #17 overall last year. Albert's versatility gives you flexibility on this selection next year. Orakpo or Smith or Bradford/Stafford I think are all in the mix for KC. Im sure many will disagree with me thinking Andre Smith is an option for the Chiefs. However If I was doing a mock I wouldnt have the Chiefs picking Smith because I think he goes before they pick, which is besides the point Im trying to make.

I see your point, but in terms of positional value, I'll take a LT/DE combo over a LT/LG combo any day. Guards just don't have enough impact on the game to warrant spending a top 5 pick on one, which is essentially what we would be doing by drafting another LT and moving Albert to guard. I'd consider taking another olineman that high only if that player was of significantly better value than anyone else available. I don't think you should do it if Orakpo is there.

Olympia Martin
11-13-2008, 02:03 PM
I see your point, but in terms of positional value, I'll take a LT/DE combo over a LT/LG combo any day. Guards just don't have enough impact on the game to warrant spending a top 5 pick on one, which is essentially what we would be doing by drafting another LT and moving Albert to guard. I'd consider taking another olineman that high only if that player was of significantly better value than anyone else available. I don't think you should do it if Orakpo is there.

Point noted. Im not really disagreeing with you but you would not be using a top 5 pick on a LT/LG combo. Albert wasn't a top 5 pick as Im sure you know. He went #17 which is a good spot for a dominant guard prospect. Now Albert was suited to play LT which is why he went that high. If teams viewed him solely as a guard he wouldn't have went that high at #17. Orakpo would be my pick but only if Andre Smith is not available. I would give the Chiefs Smith if he was on the board. Just dont think it happens. I rate Smith higher than Orakpo so thats why and I see Oline as a need area that should be addressed and given Albert versatility it is a possible option. On a side note I have a feeling that Thigpen is going to be the guy there and would pass on giving the Chiefs Bradford or Stafford in round 1. Regardless of the spread offense being a 1 year wonder for Thigpen I think he will become the starter there for a few years.

giantsfan
11-13-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't think that was a comparison, as much as him listing people that are "undersized" and are very successful.

Orakpo is a bit of Vernon Gholston and a bit of Chris Long. The effort, motor and technique of Long with the Athleticism of Gholston. You most definitely don't need to be tall, just well built.

Being too tall can be a bad thing as well. It can limit your agility and your pass rush efficiency (unless you're a freak like super mario or peppers). I think 6'2-6'5 is ideal for a DE, especially cause you can get better leverage on the taller OT's, and still out-quick them.

Having long arms like taller players usually do really helps DEs detach from blockers and make plays against the run while also making it easier for guys to get by a blocker as a pass rusher, not a necessity but being tall does help DEs unless they're 7'

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 06:25 PM
How did Orakpo do against Jason Smith?

draftguru151
11-13-2008, 07:30 PM
How did Orakpo do against Jason Smith?

He was out with a knee sprain.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 07:41 PM
He was out with a knee sprain.
Oh. Thanks for the response.

LonghornsLegend
11-28-2008, 02:34 AM
Rak Daddy looked 100% out there tonight, he was explosive off the line again and had a nice FF where on the other side of the field, not sure if he will win the Nagurski Trophy or the Lombardi but he's back to his normal disruptive self.


Click Here (http://www.star-telegram.com/888/story/1059668.html) for a good read on his recovery from the sprain and trying to make up for lost time.

JaxJag_1
11-28-2008, 08:35 AM
He beat the A&M LT almost all night

D-Rod
11-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Height is something of a over-used statistic. As someone noted, arm length is the real key, both for OTs and DEs. Height is a decent indictator of arm length, but it is not uncommon for the ratio to be disproportionate.

In short (ha), being 6'2" is not a problem as long as he has long arms.

KCStud
11-28-2008, 10:09 PM
As everyone can see, I am praying for Orakpo. KC will end up having the WORST defensive line in NFL history. How sad is that? I am serious when I say that we really do need a DE.

Orakpo would make Hali and Dorsey better. Teams wouldn't know who to double team. Dorsey or Orakpo? And Hali had 8 and 7.5 sacks with multiple FF's in the 2 years he played across from Jared Allen.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-28-2008, 10:17 PM
As everyone can see, I am praying for Orakpo. KC will end up having the WORST defensive line in NFL history. How sad is that? I am serious when I say that we really do need a DE.

Orakpo would make Hali and Dorsey better. Teams wouldn't know who to double team. Dorsey or Orakpo? And Hali had 8 and 7.5 sacks with multiple FF's in the 2 years he played across from Jared Allen.

That would be a monster young line with great potential.

foozball
11-28-2008, 10:50 PM
how about Orakpo and Mario Williams playing together

Bengals78
11-28-2008, 11:32 PM
Will the Texans really use another draft pick on the D-Line? Detroit Lions of the AFC only with D-Lineman instead of wideouts.

Orakpo should end up in stripes if Anthony Collins continues to impress at LT.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-28-2008, 11:36 PM
how about Orakpo and Mario Williams playing together
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/a/a8/GeorgeLucasCame.jpg/772px-GeorgeLucasCame.jpg
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumba/a8/GeorgeLucasCame.jpg/772px-GeorgeLucasCame.jpg

Staubach12
11-28-2008, 11:38 PM
Detroit Lions only with D-Lineman instead of wideouts.

That's the Giants.

Bengals78
11-28-2008, 11:59 PM
That's the Giants.

They last DLineman they took in the first round was Kiwanuka who now plays LB.
Before that it was William Joseph...and then before him it was Cedric Jones in 96.

Yes the Giants have ALOT of talent on their line, but they arent all first rounders.

ElectricEye
11-29-2008, 12:24 AM
I don't really get the whole Orakpo Texans thing. Pass rushers aren't just something you can find in the first round. They could use a compliment to Mario, but enough is enough. They have bigger needs.

foozball
11-29-2008, 01:54 AM
I don't really get the whole Orakpo Texans thing. Pass rushers aren't just something you can find in the first round. They could use a compliment to Mario, but enough is enough. They have bigger needs.

if youve seen them play, you'd know that they need a DE opposite Mario. Okoye has done jack squat this year with a total of 0 sacks. Mario has been on his own this year. its amazing he's even putting up the sack totals he is

Texas Homer
12-01-2008, 01:04 AM
I co-sign the Mario Williams-Brian Orakpo combo.

Pokeys
12-01-2008, 07:28 PM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4858/brianorakpomo0.jpg

Brians arms say hello.

BamaFalcon59
12-01-2008, 07:37 PM
Jason Worilds
rSo
6'2" 255
4.5
16.5 tackles for loss
7 sacks

Baller. And a sophmore. Been playing on a dislocated shoulder, still doing what he does.

hockey619
12-01-2008, 07:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

Wow. Not sure if anybody else posted it, so thought I would.