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MarioPalmer
09-29-2008, 12:45 AM
Okay fellas, the first quarter of the season has almost come to an end and will after the Monday night game of Baltimore at Pittsburg. I was wondering scince I can't watch every game, even thought I try to, I was wanting to know how the youngsters are doing.

So, this is a thread to talk about the "of coarse they should's", the "dissapointments" and of coarse the "pleasent surprises."

****Also, team reports would be much appreciated. If your an avid fan of any certain team and you know them inside out and follow the rookies closely, definitly give us the low down on your favorite teams rookies. We, well at least I, wouild love to read the summary's on your favorite teams rookies.

Follow this format please to make it easy for us to read.

Chris Long- DE St.Louis Rams #2 Overall.
-Notable stats: 15 tackles 2 sacks
-Long hasn't looked like the dominant DE he showed when playing in his senior year at Virginia. Although he does have 2 sacks he hasn't been a dominant pass rusher and his size and smallish frame is becoming a hinderence. He is being run at more and more and he isn't holding up at the point of attack. Long is also being washed out plays way to often and he even being blocked one on one versus tight ends. I have faith that he could turn into a 7-9 sacks a year player, but I fear that with a #2 overall draft status that will never do. With that type of hype he should be showing potential to be a Mario Williams, Julius Peppers and Gaines Adams type ability and I just don't see that from him. He too often gets engulfed by the larger tackles and has problems using his hands because of his smallish size. He also looks maxed out so getting bigger isn't going to happen. I feel that he may have been reach at #2 overall and he isn't looking like a top 3 draft pick but more like a top 20 pick. He also doesn't have the explosive first step to beat the larger tackles to the outside so his sacks and pressure is coming off of his tenacity which is a plus, but it's not enough to warrent such a high pick and such an investment.

Vox Populi
09-29-2008, 12:56 AM
James Hardy- WR Buffalo Bills #41 Overall.
-Notable stats: 2 REC 12 YDS 1 TD
-Hardy came up big in the week two win over the Jags making a catch that any other receiver on the Bills would have no business making jumping over the defensive backs. Unfortunately that is the only impact Hardy has made to date, and that will likely be the extent of his work until he works on his game. Hardy was considered a great redzone target by everyone in the draft, but everyone knew his route running was piss poor and his success in college was largely based on athleticism. Now that he is in the NFL he needs to work on everything before he can be used as a weapon. He is a huge project with a lot of potential for the Bills if they can teach him up. He still runs routes as poorly as anyone I've seen in the league, and his field awareness is awful. He doesn't know how to position himself to make receptions unless it is a straight jump ball. Pretty much, Hardy hasn't progressed much yet. He needs to raise his field awareness and route running ability substantially. Once he realizes that if he gets in front of the corner they can't do anything, and he starts running crisp routes the Bills will have a weapon. Until then though, it'll be a pain waiting for Roscoe Parrish to come back from injury and fill the slot receiver role that is currently occupied by Hardy. Hopefully this rook grows up fast though.

MarioPalmer
09-29-2008, 12:57 AM
DeSean Jackson-WR Philadelphia Eagles #49 Overall
-Notable stats:22 receptions, 327 receiving yards, 1 rec TD, 1 rushing TD
-Jackson has shown the exact kind of speed, acceleration, and explosiveness that he showed in college and is becoming the Eagles top playmaker out on the wing. He has shown great toughness, great route running, and the ability to match up against solid corners without having much trouble getting seperation and making tough catches. I have been incrediably impressed with DeSean Jackson and he is looking like he could become the steal of the draft. For a 2nd round pick the Eagles have gained an enormous amount of value from him and it looks like the Eagles have a go to, elite wide out that they can rely on to make big plays in big games.

Pb&j
09-29-2008, 01:01 AM
Alex Hall- OLB Browns, 231 overall
Notable Stats- 8 tackles 2 sacks 1 FF
Forced into service due to injuries to Antwaan Peek and Willie McGinnist. Started the past two games at LOLB and has shown great athleticism, and hussle to make the play. His game against the Ravens included 7 tackles and a sack, and in pass-rush situations he appears to have "it". Setting up offensive tackles to make the sack at the critical time, such as against the bengals when he sacked and stripped Ryan Fitzpatrick to clinch the victory. Sure looks like a late round gem so far.

MarioPalmer
09-29-2008, 01:05 AM
Excellent guys, thanks for the info. Did not know alot about Alex Hall, definitly someone I will watch for now on. And James Hardy, I was watching today against the Rams, and on a few occasions I was wondering where he was. I stil have a ton of faith in him, I think he has the ability to be a very good WR, but like you said there definitly needs to be work done.

Keep up the good work fellas.

Bruce Banner
09-29-2008, 01:10 AM
Buccaneers

On track
Aqib Talib - First round pick
I'd like to think he already has his rookie moments out of the way. He was burned badly in week one and hasn't looked terrible since. He has an interception and looked like a missile tackling Ryan Grant this week. He isn't getting too much time due to our logjam at DB and a minor injury but I think he is on the the right track. He's shown us he knows how to use his length, which was a big question, in my opinion. He has the size to go man to man with any of them but the elite speedsters will give him problems

Meh
Dexter Jackson - Second round pick
He has gotten limited to no time at WR. He is now our full time KR/PR. He started off the season with a case of the slipsies. The man couldn't stay on his feet for whatever reason. He would eat the turf right before he would get hit. This week he broke that habit and looked fearless returning. He didn't fall down early once.
No matter how much I want to spin it though, the fact of the matter is, he hasn't done much and isn't on the field during offensive drives, even on 4 receiver sets. One positive, he is fast as ****.

Pleasant Surprise
Jeremy Zuttah - Third round pick
Pro bowl caliber guard Davin Joseph went down early this year with a foot injury. Zuttah has stepped in and we haven't missed a beat. He has helped the Bucs o-line prevent the QB from being sacked in 90+ straight passing attempts. He can do better in run blocking but he is doing awesome overall. His versatility will come in handy if anyone else on the line gets hurt.

bearsfan_51
09-29-2008, 01:21 AM
Matt Forte- 44th overall
92 carries, 347 yards, 1 touchdown
18 catches, 147 yards, 1 touchdown
Forte doesn't have great speed, but for his size it's hard to expect him to. He did outrun Bob Sanders against the Colts, but some of that was due to a poor angle. Forte is smart, generally decisive, and isn't as tall at the line as one would expect him to be at his height. He was drafted to be a 3-down back and has held his own so far. Probably will never be a top 10 back due to lack of top-end speed, but he gets positive yards, makes smart decisions, and is strong in the passing game with both hands and blocking ability. Great attitude as well. Unless Brian Brohm or Chad Henne go on to be pro-bowl quarterbacks I think Forte was the best pick the Bears could have made at that point.

Pro-comparison: Garrison Hearst, Jim Brown (in terms of size, not ability)

Marcus Harrison-late 3rd round
7 tackles, 1 sack
-Harrison will probably always play in the shadow of Tommie Harris so long as he's with the Bears, but he's already pushed himself up to our 3rd DT. Those two, along with Dusty Dvoracek, give the Bears a good trio of tackles. Harrison has gotten decent push in the pocket, and knows how to use his body, which is hard to find with rookie defensive lineman. He rarely gives up space, and has shown the ability to get his hands on the ball carrier. Promising player if he can stay out of trouble.

Pro-comparison: Tank Johnson


The rest: Chris Williams (injury), Earl Bennet-Craig Steltz (inactive), Kellen Davis-Joey Laroque (special teams only), Zack Bowman (practice squad)

Bruce Banner
09-29-2008, 01:31 AM
Will Earl Bennett do anything in this league?

bearsfan_51
09-29-2008, 01:34 AM
Pretty hard to say at this point (and why the thread is kinda silly, if only for fun).

He hasn't really done much yet, but rookie receivers generally don't. Needs to be more consistant in catching the ball, which is a must when you don't have blazing speed.

I'm guessing he slowly works his way up the depth chart at some point, it's not like the Bears are solid at the position.

WMD
09-29-2008, 01:37 AM
I'll just write a little on all of our rookies.

Gosder Cherilus - RT - Round 1, #17 Overall
Started his first game last week. Hasn't been able to beat out George Foster for playing time. Held his own when he played, outside of a few penalties. Looks solid enough.

Jordon Dizon - LB - Round 2, #45 Overall
Nothing so far. 7 total tackles in 2 games, was inactive for the 3rd Game with an injury, I think.

Kevin Smith - RB - Round 3, #64 Overall
102 Yards Rushing and 1 TD so far this year. Hasn't really shown me much, Rudi Johnson was brought and did pretty well this most recent game (14 Rushes/83 Yards, 3 Rec/48 Yards).. Rudi should take a good chunk of playing time from Smith.

Andre Fluellen - DT - Round 3, #87 Overall
SURPRISE! Inactive all three games so far this year. We rock.

Cliff Avril - DE - Round 3, #92 Overall
He looked okay from what I've seen.. Seems like he can get to the QB alright. Inactive the last game, though. I don't think he's registered any stats.. sigh..

Kenneth Moore - WR - Round 5, #136 Overall
Practice Squad.

Jerome Felton - FB - Round 5, #146 Overall
Hasn't done much from what I've seen. Maybe someone else has seen something from him, but nothing at all from me.

Landon Cohen - DT - Round 7, #216 Overall
Cut/Practice Squad. Not sure which.

Caleb Campbell - S - Round 7, #218 Overall
We all know what happened with him.

BlindSite
09-29-2008, 03:47 AM
Stewart On Track Nothing too flashy so far and he's yet to crack it for a big day, but he's been stellar when in the red zone and has 4 Tds in 4 games. I'd like to see him get 20 carries and a good opportunity but he's been good so far.

Otah Ahead of Schedule While he's had a couple of nicks and hasn't played all four quarters in all four games he's been a really solid pass blocker and dominant in the running game. There's nothing better than seeing a 6-6 300+ pounder throwing NFL defensive ends like rag dolls in his rookie year. Franchise tackle at this stage.

Connor Push Not much I can really say about a guy who has only really played special teams. That said, that's not much of a hit against him since ahead of him are Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Na'il Diggs and Landon Johnson on the depth chart.


Charles Godfrey On Track Godfrey has been the starting FS from day one and has been an upgrade over just about everyone playing the safety spot for Carolina ever, not named Minter or Harris. Its not he's that good, its just the others were THAT bad, Godfrey is a solid player and should continue to improve.

Hilee Taylor is the only other draftee to do anything so far and he got a sack today as a rush specialist.

jared
09-29-2008, 08:49 AM
Dan Connor is on IR.

AkiliSmith
09-29-2008, 09:07 AM
Keith Rivers has played well for a rookie. He was responsible for two long TD runs against Baltimore, but other than that he has played very well. He has 28 tackles on the season.

None of the other rookies have done a damn thing.

awfullyquiet
09-29-2008, 09:08 AM
Chris Long- DE St.Louis Rams #2 Overall.
-Notable stats: 15 tackles 2 sacks
-Long hasn't looked like the dominant DE he showed at virginia

He plays on the rams... i think that says more than anything.

Brent
09-29-2008, 09:25 AM
Kentwan Balmer - back up at DE, sees some time but not enough to make a huge impact.
Josh Morgan - sees lots of time compared to the other rookies since he's the #4 WR.
Chilo Rachal - back up at guard.
Reggie Smith - being "red shirted" if you will, because of our depth at CB.
Cody Wallace - back up at center.

21ST
09-29-2008, 09:26 AM
Chris "The Hawk" Horton thats all you need to know

DiG
09-29-2008, 09:26 AM
I like this thread. Lets me catch up on other teams rooks that I don't get to watch as much.

Skins Notables -

Devin Thomas Push He had an injury in preseason which set him back a little bit but word around Fed Ex is that he's really starting to understand the offense and should start seeing increased playing time. Last week he had a 70 yard TD catch called back because of unsportsmanlike conduct that would have iced the game. Coaches are also very happy with his run blocking ability as well. I look for him to start making a nice impact soon.

Malcolm Kelly Off Track Injuries have made him questionable to play this year at all. There were thoughts he might make it back but now that looks like it may not happen. Could see some playing time late in the season.

Fred Davis Push Didn't expect to see him get much playing time early this year behind Cooley but he's doing some work on special teams and nothing negative is coming out on him from practices.

Chad Rhinehart On TrackHad a very good preseason and has really impressed the coaching staff. Has earned the backup role at both guard positions behind two aging vets and has worked some at tackle as well.

Chris Horton Ahead of Schedule If he keeps playing the way he has then we could see a 7th rounder making a run at DROY. Won NFL Defensive Player of the Week already this year and has been making plays in every game. Started off rotating time with Reed but now the word is that he has earned the role as full time starter and should see even more playing time. For the season he has 10 tackles, 3 ints, and 1 fumble recovery.

bored of education
09-29-2008, 09:34 AM
Glen Dorseyon trackMay not have the stats, but if you watch Dorsey you can see that he is on track to being a very good DT. Drawing a double team on 75% of the plays he is in for, and still spends most of the time behind the LOS leads me to believe tht over time he will only get more disruptive once he adjusts fully to NFL game speed. 9 solo tackles, 4 asst.

Branden AlbertAhead of gameNew position at LT and looks amazing playing there. Missed most of preseason. Looks like a very solid LT and will only get better. Has great footwork, and superion strength. I was not a fan of this pick to begin with, but I am starting to really like it.

bored of education
09-29-2008, 09:53 AM
Brandon Flowers On track Has played very well, started every game and leads the Chiefs in solo tackles.. Will be one of the best cover 2 CBs in the game in a year or two. This kid is a baller. 18 solo tackles, 2 PDs, FR.

Brandon Carr Ahead of game Has played the best in our young secondary, has looked better than Flowers.. Started the last couple games because of an ailing Surtain. May overthrow Surtain as starting Cb when Surtain gets healthy. Plays ggressive, yet has a feel for playing the cover 2 corner position very well. Totals on the season: 15 solo tackles, 1 assist, 1 INT, 2 FR, 1 TFL, 3 PDs.

Carr is a gem and Flowers is just very good. OUr secondary issues have been solved thanks to their play.

MetSox17
09-29-2008, 09:58 AM
How's Limas Sweed doing for the Steelers? Haven't been able to see much of him since he's in Pittsburgh.

Javes
09-29-2008, 09:59 AM
Brandon Flowers On track Has played very well, started every game and leads the Chiefs in solo tackles.. Will be one of the best cover 2 CBs in the game in a year or two. This kid is a baller. 18 solo tackles, 2 PDs, FR.

Brandon Carr Ahead of game Has played the best in our young secondary, has looked better than Flowers.. Started the last couple games because of an ailing Surtain. May overthrow Surtain as starting Cb when Surtain gets healthy. Plays ggressive, yet has a feel for playing the cover 2 corner position very well. Totals on the season: 15 solo tackles, 1 assist, 1 INT, 2 FR, 1 TFL, 3 PDs.

Carr is a gem and Flowers is just very good. OUr secondary issues have been solved thanks to their play.


I'd just like to point out that I go to the same school that Brandon Carr went to. Go GVSU! haha

NIN1984
09-29-2008, 10:43 AM
Darren McFadden - RB, 51att 272yards 5.3avg 1td
Looked amazing vs the Chiefs but has been slowed down because of turf toe.

Tyvon Branch - CB/S, 8 tackles 1int
Is a special teams beast.

no body else has done anything.

EvilMonkey
09-29-2008, 11:03 AM
Packers

Jordy Nelson - Round 2, Pick 5 (36)
9 rec, 102 yards, 1 TD
Injuries to Ruvell Martin and James Jones have given him a decent amount of playing time as our #4 WR. As others have said, tough to tell with rookie receivers, because they usually dont develop that quickly, but he has looked solid and i love him as part of a Jennings, James Jones, Jordyzzzz future wideout core.

Brian Brohm - Round 2, Pick 25 (56)
Beat out by Matt Flynn for the #2 QB job. Looked lost a lot in the pre-season. Still like the potential, but hasnt shown much so far.

Patrick Lee - Round 2, Pick 29 (60)
#5 CB right now, hasnt shown much at all. Will get to play more because of Al Harris's injury but like Brohm, hasnt shown much so far.

Jermichael Finley - Round 3, Pick 28 (91)
So far all i remember seeing of him on the field is a personal foul on special teams. Hasnt seen much if any action on offense.

Jeremy Thompson - Round 4, Pick 3 (102)
Hasnt played, still a great athlete but in camp and so far in the year, hasnt done anything.

Josh Sitton - Round 4, Pick 36 (135)
Finally another bright spot. Won the starting RG job in camp and played well in the preseason before getting hurt. Should be back from injury in a few weeks and hopefully can help us get the interior of our line playing better, especially in the running game.

Breno Giacomini - Round 5, Pick 15 (150)
On the team, have seen him suited up on the sidelines, but have never seen him play yet. Might be on a few special teams squads.

Matt Flynn - Round 7, Pick 2 (209)
Beat out Brohm for the #2 QB job. Looks poised and just like a solid QB. Doesnt have the greatest set of tools but I think he can be a nice backup QB in this league, maybe eventually a game-manager type starter for someone down the road.

Brett Swain - Round 7, Pick 10 (217)
I think practice squad. Never looked that good.

Overall, we have a lot of guys with potential but other than Jordyzzz, Sitton, and Flynn they havent shown anything thus far.

wicket
09-29-2008, 11:09 AM
1. Sedrick Ellis on track 9 tackles 1 sack 1 pass defended. Looked good in all his games and seems to be improving draws enough attention to free up big will and grant on the edge.
2. Tracy porter on track 22 tacles 1 sack 1 interception 3 passed defended. I was tempted to put him ahead of scedule, but he is just to inconsistent for that. He has looked great for part of games but sometimes still gets burned hard, he hits hard and makes plays but makes just a bit to many mistakes, still happy about him though.
5. DeMario Pressley behind scedule no stats This guy is on injured reserve, not much to tell about him
5. Carl Nicks Ahead of scedule With the suspension of Nesbit he has a good chance to win the starting role in his rookie year which is more than is to be expected of a fifth rounder, looked quite good against SF.
6. Taylor Mehlaf dude has been cut, dunno what else to say
7. Adrian Arrington injury reserve

XxXdragonXxX
09-29-2008, 12:00 PM
Seahawks

DE Lawrence Jackson: Looking good, got 2 sacks vs the 49ers, plays the run well.

TE John Carlson: Looks very good, with like 39 receivers injured, Carlson stepped up and became the go to guy. He's had a few stupid penalties but he has great hands and is a good run blocker.

DT Red Bryant: Looks decent in limited play time. He's been inactive the last 2 games, but that's mostly because he was injured during TC and fell behind on one of the deepest D-Lines in the league.

FB Owen Schmitt: Looks good, he's behind Leonard Weaver on the depth chart but still gets on the field occasionally. I love the 2 FB set with Weaver at RB and Schmitt at FB. He's a good reciever out fo the backfield.

LS Tyler Schmitt: Well, he's a longsnapper and he's on IR.....

RB Justin Forsett: Got cut and went to return kicks for the Colts. I wanted to keep him and give him some time at RB, however Julius Jones has stepped up and looks very good and Josh Wilson is filling in quite nicely returning kicks.

K Brandon Coutu: Well, he's still on the roster but has been inactive sitting behind Olindo Mare, who is looking more and more like the Olindo Mare of 2001. Obviously Coutu has impressed the coaches or he wouldn't be taking up a roster spot that could be used on a WR....

CC.SD
09-29-2008, 12:07 PM
Ahead of the curve: Antoine Cason, 1.27. I've been pimping him a lot lately so I'll slow down but really I can't say enough about him. He's not perfect, or even a gamechanger, but as a rookie CB he has been studly. He has flashed absolutely blanket coverage and possesses a trait which can only be described as ball skillzzzz. His breakups have been excellent, and he has also come up with a pair of 4th quarter turnovers and a sick goal line stop. Very much a pure football player; who'd have thought it from that Thorpe award he picked up when no one was looking.

DeathbyStat
09-29-2008, 01:10 PM
How's Limas Sweed doing for the Steelers? Haven't been able to see much of him since he's in Pittsburgh.

Buried on the depth chart

umphrey
09-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Every Packers draft pick except the great Jordy Nelson looks like crap right now. Most barely or don't crack the roster on Sundays. We drafted a lot of projects but it's been disappointing for our draft so far.

Sitton's supposed to be a starter but he's been hurt during the entire regular season. Didn't look good in preseason either.

MarioPalmer
10-01-2008, 01:51 PM
Donnie Avery- WR St.Louis Rams #33 Overall
Notable Stats: 6 Rec, 46 Rec Yards, 0 Rec TD, 1 Rush TD

Avery has been a bit of a dissapointment, but his upside is there. Avery has outstanding speed and it showed with his exciting 37 yard rushing TD this past Sunday against the Buffalo Bills. It was a tremendous play that flashed superstar potential, but that was just it, it was just a flash.

Since Avery has been with the Rams, he hasn't been 100% healthy for more than a few weeks at a time. He has been nicked up ever since joining the team. And didn't dress for the season opener due to injury and didn't get a single touch in the second game even though he was dressed. In his third pro game he finally got significant playing time, but made a minimal impact with only 3 catches for 24 yards with only 1 catch being for more than 10 or more yards. Once again, he showed flashes of his outstanding speed, but because of the offense being handicapped due to poor offensive line play and poor QB play, he couldn't progress like the #1 drafted WR should have. Finally in the forth pro game of Avery's carreer he had his numbered called to make an impactful play that would showcase his excellent speed and outstanding agility. The Rams ran a WR running play, sort of like what the Cowboys tried with Terrell Owens against the Redskins this past Sunday. Once Avery got the ball and got into space his excelleration and top end speed where showcased for the home crowd and opponents alike. It was a very exciting run, it just wasn't a gimmick play that faked out the defense of the Bills and Avery had nothing but green in front of him, but he actually had to work for his first NFL TD.

On that play you could see why the Rams were so high on this kid and chose to pass on DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Devin Thomas and James Hardy. But, I don't know that one play can be an indicator of how good Avery will be in this league and it's definitly not enough to compare to what Royal and Jackson are doing for thier respective teams. I feel that because the Rams have been so aweful Avery's progression let alone production has suffered greatly. His receiving skills have been stunted because of the lack of ability to throw for the Rams so Avery won't get a lot of balls thrown his way, so in essence he will have to make do with what ever does come his way, and for a rookie that just isn't enough. Avery needs to have the football thrown his way alot more than what it has been, but I think because this team is so terrible, his rookie year will be progressing in baby steps instead of progressing in leaps and bounds like Royal and Jackson. The jury is still out on him, and this year should go down as a learning experience only.

MarioPalmer
10-01-2008, 02:14 PM
Keith Rivers WLB Cincinnati Bengals #9 Overall
Notable Stats:28 Tackles (19 solo, 9 assist)

Rivers has been nothing short of being a beast for the Bengals. He is absolutely oustanding, he has all the traits for being the next superstar OLB. He has the ability to be the next Keith Bullock, the next Derrick Brooks, the next Takeo Spikes. He has everything you want from a OLB that has stepped right in and become the most talented player in the front seven of the Bengal defense. Rivers is still learning the little nuances of pro football and is still learning on the fly against NFL offenses but he is definitly on his way to becoming a star in this league. Rivers has shown his propensity for getting through traffic and sifting through the trash like a 10 year vet. His speed and instincts are incrediable and he is playing like the leader of that no name defense and to me it seems that his intensity and playmaking ability has rubbed off on his team mates and his play has become infectious. The defense is even starting to look like an NFL defense and not that pile of disgrace they were last year and the year before. Not saying that Rivers is the entire reason why the Bengals have become some sort of consistency on the defensive side of the ball, but he certainly gives them a playmaking force in the front seven that they haven't had since Odell Thurman and Takeo before that. Rivers has certainly lived up to the hype thus far.

MarioPalmer
10-01-2008, 02:21 PM
Thanks to all that have posted, some of these guys I haven't seen at all this year and it's good to get a progress report on them. I would love to do this again in four more weeks when the half way mark is here. Hopefully, you guys keep watching some of these guys, and I love some of the later round gems so far. Keep posting guys, there are a lot more of these rookies out there that are making impacts and eventually this year will be main stays for their respective teams schemes.

Keep up the good work, very informative and I love the team reports, I should have mentioned that in my OP. As a matter of fact I will edit it so that if people want to report on their favorite team that would be a major plus.

Bruce Banner
10-01-2008, 02:23 PM
the next Derrick Brooks

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Does he really though? I haven't seen him play at all. My main concern would be the fact that he plays in Cincinnasty, defensive studs usually don't blossom long term there.

MarioPalmer
10-01-2008, 02:35 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e244/twgquick/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif

Does he really though? I haven't seen him play at all. My main concern would be the fact that he plays in Cincinnasty, defensive studs usually don't blossom long term there.


I would tend to agree, but he really does look great. NO kidding, not trying to over hype him, but he has the ability to be the next Brooks or Bullock. He extremely athletic and has a great nose for the ball. The Bengals haven't had a super stud since Spikes, but he left as soon as he could. Rivers looks like the LB they have always wanted ever since they let Spikes walk.

He really is that good. It's a shame though that he has Derrick Blackstock and Dhani Jones as his partners. They are just down right terrible. Rivers is definitly a much better pro than college player. His skill set is perfect for the pro game. He has outstanding speed and he has great angles, he's not afraid to sell himself out to make the play either and I think you need that for a top OLB. He also has the ability to drop back in coverage and play middle of the field and cover the flats without any hesitation. He definitly belongs playing with the big boys and I see him progressing and only getting better.

Seriously bro, check him out if you can, definitly a very fun player to watch.

Bruce Banner
10-01-2008, 02:39 PM
He really is that good. It's a shame though that he has Derrick Blackstock and Dhani Jones as his partners.
Seriously bro, check him out if you can, definitly a very fun player to watch.

Good analysis. I don't think I've even heard of those two tools he plays with. I should be able to catch the next BenGals game.

Gay Ork Wang
10-01-2008, 02:41 PM
Good analysis. I don't think I've even heard of those two tools he plays with. I should be able to catch the next BenGals game.
Dhani Jones played with the Eagles and with the saints i believe for a while and is leading the league in tackles atm

Bruce Banner
10-01-2008, 02:42 PM
Dhani Jones played with the Eagles and with the saints i believe for a while and is leading the league in tackles atm

Patrick Willis syndrome?

Waltz through the line, I'll be waiting!

Gay Ork Wang
10-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Patrick Willis syndrome?

Waltz through the line, I'll be waiting!
Well im not saying he is good by any means but its not like they are guys that cant at least tackle something

619
10-01-2008, 03:17 PM
He plays on the rams... i think that says more than anything.

True though he certainly isn't helping out the situation. Great analysis on MP's part. I'm not going to make a case for another DE from the top of the first round last year because quite frankly it was really hit or miss with guys such as Gholston and Harvey anyways however in saying that Lawrence Jackson isn't looking so bad out of the bunch now after all ...

J-Shock
10-01-2008, 03:52 PM
1st Round

Sedrick Ellis #98 DT

Pick 7 (7) (From 49ers through Patriots)

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/headshots/nfl/players/65/11242.jpg

Is more than what we expected. Takes on double teams almost every play. And he never gets pushed back. Got his first career sack last week. Because he occupies 2 guys it's freeing things up for Will Smith, Charles Grant who was absolutely beastly last week and Vilma. Has 9 tackles to go along with his 1 sack. He's been getting so close to getting sacks that i'd be curious to see how many QB hurries and knockdowns he has. Is the teams franchise DT and will be for a long time.

2nd round

Tracy Porter #22

CB Pick 9 (40)

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Had a great first game. Stuck with Joey Galloway the entire game. Didn't get beat once. The following week was his "welcome to the nfl rookie" game. Santana Moss abused him. He fell for every double move and it looked like Fred Thomas thought he was still on the team and took Porters jersey because it was #22. After that game he settled down and is the starting CB because *** got hurt. Looks like *** will be the Nickel when he's healthy. Got his first pick last week, same game Sed got his first sack. His tackling leaves something to be desired but he's fast and quick enough to stay with any WR. Should develop into a good starting corner.

5th Round

DeMario Pressley #90 DT

Pick 9 (144) (From Lions)

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Big knack on him was his work ethic and injuries. With Payton it'd plain and simple. If you want to see the field you have to work. Before having a season ending injury he was way more impressive than Sedrick in TC. Shedding double teams, staying in the backfield etc. Immediately went on IR and should be ready to go next year. The future is bright for this kid if he picks up where he left off.

5th Round

Carl Nicks #77 LG

Pick 29 (164) (From Patriots)

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Huge. 6-5 343 lbs. Had to step in at LG for Nesbit after his suspension and it looks like he's taken his job after one game. The run game is improved with him and the pass blocking somewhat. Can play RT, LT, RG, LG. Had character concerns and wasn't considered a "Payton" type player. Sean spent 30 minutes on the phone with him draft day before we drafted him. Going to be an All Pro one day.

6th Round

Taylor Mehlhaff K

Pick 12 (178)

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Pretty big disappointment. We passed on Brandon Coutu and drafted Taylor. Being the fist K off the board you'd expect him to at least beat out Martin "The Hobit" Gramatica. No? Well you'd think he'd make the team. No? Come on the guy has to make the practice squad. No? Well **** me then we wasted a 6th round pick.

7th Round

Adrian Arrington #87 WR

Pick 30 (237) (From Packers)

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Was the surprise of camp. Made unbelievable catch after another. Drew had nothing but praise for the kid because all he did was do what coaches asked him to. We traded next year's 6th to trade back into the draft to get him. We had run out of picks. Runs crisp routes, makes the touch catch. Indeed was on his way to becoming our next "Colston" before suffering a horrible turf toe injury. Went on IR shortly after. It was safe to say Lance Moore was going to be gone if AA was healthy.

DiG
10-01-2008, 04:04 PM
1st Round

Tracy Porter #22

CB Pick 9 (40)

The following week was his "welcome to the nfl rookie" game. Santana Moss abused him. He fell for every double move.


dont worry. newman got demolished this weekend with that move too. porter has got some skills. i think hell be a good player for you guys down the line.

scottyboy
10-01-2008, 04:06 PM
Dhani Jones played with the Eagles and with the saints i believe for a while and is leading the league in tackles atm

dhani was ******* god awful on the giants, uggh

and Jeremy Zuttah is the ******* man Bruce, he's your best OL.

I'll do a Giants writeup in a minute

J-Shock
10-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Dhani Jones played with the Eagles and with the saints i believe for a while and is leading the league in tackles atmLeading the league in tackles on the Bengals isn't something to be proud of TBH.

scottyboy
10-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Giants writeup-

1st round- Kenny Phillips, S
*on track*- his pre-season and training camp gave him super high expectations, but he's still a rookie. He's looked good when coming in on nickel packages and made what could've possibly been a game saving tackle against cincy in the 4th quarter. He's looked good, and I expect more time in the future.

2nd round- Terrell Thomas, CB
*push*- He's been banged up and behind alot of guys on the depth chart. Ross and Webster are the sure 1 and 2, with Dockery matching up against speedsters and Madison in there as well. Time will tell with this kid.

3rd round- Mario Manningham, WR
*off track, I guess*- tons of talent and potential, but dumb as a ******* post. He's been hurt a bit, and we've got tons of WR depth, so it's not really his fault. He got WAY TOO much hype(especially with Giants fans). big risk big reward pick for us, we'll see...

4th round- Bryan Kehl, OLB, BYU
*ahead of the game*- the kid's looked very good thus far. He's been splitting alot of in game time with mainly Wilkinson and some Danny Clark. hasn't been phenomenal, but the fact Spags has come out and said he doesn't have the playbook 100% down and he's still in there quite a bit speaks volumes.

5th round- Jonathan Goff, LB, Vandy
*on track* he's been banged up and hasn't seen much time, but I love what I've seen from him. Has been in on some special teams plays. I love the kid. As a 5th round pick, he's done his job. Can't say anything great about him thus far, no negatives either.

6th round(A)- Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky
*ahead of the game* he's running that practice squad like no other.

6th round(B)- Robert Henderson, DE, Southern Miss
*selling real estate* we cut his ass, Reese's first total miss pick. should've been Eric Foster dammit

CashmoneyDrew
10-01-2008, 05:25 PM
Chris Johnson- He's basically our offense right now.
Jason Jones- Getting good rotation at tackle. Has made a few plays.
Craig Stevens- Mainly used as a special teamer. Just missed on a TD this past sunday.
Lavelle Hawkins- Looked good in the preseason but hasn't done anything in the regular season yet.
William Hayes-Has had some playing time but I really haven't seen him do anything with it.
Stanford Keglar- Mainly special teams so far.
Cary Williams- Practice Squad.

Marino13
10-01-2008, 05:39 PM
Jake Long-On Track: Had a couple dumb penalties against the Jets, but has noticeably looked better in the other 2 games. He did a very nice job against the Pats and is one of the main reasons for Ronnie's big day and Pennington not getting sacked.

Phillip Merling-On Track: I want to say ahead of schedule because he's gotten a lot of pressure early on and has not gotten dominated playing as a 3-4 DE, but he isn't showing up on the stat sheet yet.

Chad Henne-On Track: After the first preseason game, it was obvious he was our best QB, so we went out and got Pennington. Definatly has a lot of the tangibles you look for, and has shown some good leadership. This was in preseason mind you. He is our back-up though (a position John Beck didn't get last year until Green knocked himself out on Travis Johnson's knee)

Kendall Langford-Ahead of Schedule:Earned the starting job and has looked very good. Has been getting a lot of pressure, and has 2 sacks. Looks like a steal.

Shawn Murphy-Behind:Only reason I say behind is we traded up to get him, and then Donald Thomas, who we drafted later, looked a lot better than him. Murphy has been inactive every game I believe. He is a project though so he has time.

Jalen Parmele-Push: Showed flashes in preseason, but got waived after the first regular season game, and is now on the practice squad. Probably would still be on the team if he was better in the passing game. Still has good potential.

Donald Thomas-On Track: Was way ahead of schedule as he won the starting RG spot back in Mini Camps, and looked good all preseason, and ok against the Jets. Sadly, he was placed on IR after week 1.

Lex Hilliard-Push: On practice squad right now. I think he was drafted to be a recieving FB ala Ritchie Anderson, but Lex wasn't a great lead blocker. Still, I don't think anybody expected him to make the team.

Lional Dotson-Ahead: I say this just because he made the team, and I doubt anybody thought he had a realistic shot at that.

I'd also say Davon Bess is doing good for a UDFA.

MarioPalmer
10-01-2008, 10:56 PM
Thanks Marino13. I wanted to definitly know about Kendell Langford. I was almost pissed that young 3-4 teams weren't more aggressive trying to get him. I thought that the 49ers,Ravens (they are gonna have to replace Pryce eventually), Cardinals and the Jets were going to need a young, hungry stud that had the world to prove to play on their young D-Lines. I was really impressed with what little video I saw of him in his senior season and I knew that him losing some weight and not looking very thick in pre-draft workouts would hurt him, but the video told a different story. Thats very good to hear about Langford.

Sedrick Ellis I just knew was going to be a beast. And his play has obviously helped out those two ultra talented DE's Grant and Smith. I definitly see him being in the Pro-Bowl soon enough and definitly being a main stay at that high of a level.

Kenny Phillips was interesting cause I remember how much hype he was getting during training camp. I was very impressed with his game against the Rams, that Holt TD was an awesome play by Phillips it was just a little luck and right place, right time TD for Holt. Phillips played that ball excellently. I definitly see him being ahead of the curve. It was amazing to me that he didn't go higher, especially being the 1rst safety off the board. But, he, to me, will be a special player. No need to worry about him. From what little I have seen of him in the regular season he looks like he is progressing very well.

Carl Nicks was an interesting prospect to me when coming out of Nebraska. He was a late bloomer in college and I thought that maybe he would make his move to guard in the NFL and he has. I haven't seen him play this year, but by what I've seen from that offense he is definitly not a weak link. Sort of wish the Texans would have gobbled him up in the 4th and even the 3rd now if he is playing that good. I say if a player is a 4th or later pick and becomes a starter and a reliable starter in his rookie year, then you my friend have yourself a steal.

Keep it up guys, I learned a lot with these little write ups, thanks.

Donno
10-02-2008, 12:05 AM
I'd also say Davon Bess is doing good for a UDFA.
Some agent at the Cal Pro Day this past year was saying hes like Wes Welker :D

Joeyjr09
10-02-2008, 12:21 AM
I'll follow up with to Marino's

1. Jake Long, OT: ON TRACK. A couple stupid penalities and a sack in game 1. Welcome to the NFL. Looked good in game 2 and then dominated Richard Seymour during the Pats in week 3. Everyone was raving about the way he held Seymour in check all game. Multiple people have boasted that he will be a top 10 LT by seasons end.

2. Phillip Merling, DE: AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. I'm putting him ahead of schedule for 2 reasons. 1 he was hurt when we drafted him and was not even supposed to see much action during the mini camps. 2, we had alot of returning DEs such as Matt Roth, Randy Starks, Vonnie Holliday and Rod Wright and yet Merling and Langford have played so well that we moved Roth to LB and Wright hasn't seen a snap all year. He hasn't shown up huge on the stat sheet but 3-4 DEs rarely do. He has been all over the QB all season and has more then held his own with our improved rush D.

2. Chad Henne, QB: ON TRACK. He won the number 2 QB job behind Pennington which is what you want out of your rookie QB. Very impressive during the preason and during his 1 series of garbage time, he did what Chad Pennington could not do all game, lead us to a TD.

3. Kendal Langford, DE: WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. He has been by far our best DL. He has 2 sacks on the season, he is active all over the field and he is constantly chasing the QB around. The fact he's rotating with Holliday, Starks and Merling and he is still getting his shows how much talent this kid has because it's hard for 3-4 DEs to get sacks even when they play 45 snaps a game. Langford is getting his in about 25-30 snaps a game.

4. Shawn Murphy, OG: ON TRACK. I know alot of people think he's behind schedule because when we traded up for him people thought he would start. But really, what do people expect out of a rookie 4th round OG? He's has his ups and downs. Sometimes he looks lost and makes a rookie mistake, others and throws a good block and gets to the 2nd level. He's doing fine picking things up and by all accounts has slowly been getting better. Can't really ask for more then that out of a rookie 4th rounder. If he was drafted by the Pats, no one would have a problem with what he's done, but since we drafted him with all our OL woes last season, everyone thought he touch the field from day 1 and since he hasn't there's this notion that he's behind when he's probably right where you'd think he'd be if he was drafted by any other team.

6. Jalen Paramele, RB: ON TRACK. He's behind Ronnie and Ricky and Cobbs who is a ST monster. Parmele was drafted to eventually be the backup to Ronnie when Ricky is gone and he has shown he will more then be able to handle that in a year or 2 as he refines his game. He's on the PS squad right now but only because we are loaded at RB. If we weren't he'd definately be on the roster without a doubt. As long as he keeps progressing, he will be fine to replace Ricky in a year or two.

6. Donald Thomas, OG: INCOMPLETE. Sadly he's on the IR. He was our biggest surprise and way ahead of schedule until he got hurt. It's a wait and see with him til he gets back but he the fact that he looked so damn impressive before his injury is really good news so this has the potential to be another steal and turned into AHEAD OF SCHEDULE very quickly next season.

6. Lex Hillard, FB: BEHIND SCHEDULE. He had a clear path to win the starting FB job. All that was in front of him was castoff Regan Mauia and midget Boomer Grigsby. Hillard couldn't even bet out those 2 scrubs. Grigsby got the job and was cut a week later in favor of Waiver Wire pickup Casey Cramer. Normally I would say a 6th rounder with potential on the PS is on track but at an easy position like FB, on a team that has no one in front of him, he should be able to do enough to at least be given the 1st crack at the job during game action. He didn't do anything. We'll see how he response. He did look decent in short yardage during preseason.

7. Lionel Dotson, DE: AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. We are loaded with DEs. I mean just loaded. Vonnie Holliday, Randy Starks, Phillip Merling, Kendal Langford, and Rod Wright are all on the roster. Yet the FO thought he played well enough to earn a spot on this team. He hasn't been active yet but the fact a 7th rounder can show enough to earn a roster spot on a team that is completely stacked full of young talent at the position is obviously doing something right.

UDFA. Devone Bess, WR/KR: AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. He has looked good as our slot WR and is the only WR on our roster to do anything of note so far this season. As noted above, he reminds of Wes Welker somewhat and is very shifty. He has had a few nice runs on kicks and punts and I would not at all be surprised to see him break one this season. Hard to tell how much of his PT is from him being that good or our WRs being that bad but he wasn't even drafted and yet he's making an impact as a slot guy. Have to think that means he has a future with us which is 100 times more then what most UDFA do.

Damn it's looking like we hit a homerun on a much needed draft.

LonghornsLegend
10-02-2008, 12:31 AM
Great idea for a thread, but again its so early guys who are playing well can be bust, and those who have yet to make an impact still have plenty of time(Meachem was called a bust around here because he didn't produce as fast as some people would have liked).


Felix Jones
Running back, Arkansas
6-0, 200
1st round (22nd overall)


Everyone has pretty much seen what he can do, but he's outperformed expectations of nearly everyone(coaches and players included)...He looks like he can be an elite Kick Returner in this league, has shown he can score anytime he touches the ball, and can make defenders miss like no other...One of the best things about him is that he's a great character guy, relishes his role behind Barber, none of us could have asked anymore out of a RB from this draft, regardless of who we wanted.



Mike Jenkins
Cornerback, South Florida
5-10, 197
1st round (25th overall)


He's buried on the depth chart now which is a great thing, let him soak up what he can behind Adam Jones, T-New, and Henry...He's had his fair share of troubles playing some off man, but he has played very well in press coverage or bump and run(when he has been asked to do it), he has also shown some flashes...The play he made in the Philly game was just a great play on the ball, flat out he has skills to be a #1 corner in this league so we can only hope learning will help him reach that level, still, he's just not out on the field enough right now to guage.



Martellus Bennett
Tight end, Texas A&M
6-6, 260
2nd round (61st overall)



Biggest head scratcher during the draft, but slowly turning into one of my favorite picks...First off his run blocking has been nothing short of beastly, he has a nasty streak to him that you don't typically see from athletic pass catching TE's...He gets ahold of his man and blocks him until he puts him on his back and finishes well, he stepped in from day one and helped with his blocking...He started camp dropping balls like nobodies business and showed signs of immaturity(which he still does) but things just started clicking for him in the 2nd pre-season game and since then he has been playing cool calm and collected...When he catches a pass you can see his athleticism, speed, hands, and size advantage, it's only a matter of time before he's utilized more, flat out scary to think about how good he could be if he continues to develop...I have no doubt had ATL or a team in dire need of a TE drafted him in the 2nd he could of been a #1 franchise TE at some point for a young team.





Tashard Choice
Running Back, Georgia Tech
5-10, 215
4th Round (122 overall)




Everybody loves Choice, he's a great player and great person, and you love what he brings to your team as a whole, not just his ability...He scored a few times in the pre-season and looks like he could be a player in this league, runs hard and tough, has good vision, and to make it better he's been balling on ST, blocked a punt in the pre-season and made at least 3 more standout plays...He's showing he wants on the field however he has to get there, makes me feel good about our RB depth, early but I think we have two good ones from this class.




Orlando Scandrick
Cornerback, Boise State
5-11, 198
5th Round (143 overall)



If there was a rookie vote on who had the best camp Scandrick would of gotten votes, he has outplayed Jenkins thus far, has a swagger about him that you love for your corner to have, and has a nose for the ball...You would of guessed Scandrick was the 1st rounder and Jenkins was the 5th rounder, Scandrick was pissed about how late he was drafted he said in a few interviews, and has been working hard to prove he was better then his draft spot...He has 4.3 speed, shown an ability to cover well, and honestly plays more in real games then Jenkins right now because he covers better out of the slot..Seeing as how he was BPA and we didn't really need him, it's really nice to see him playing so well, corners are hard to come by and I trust him if he needs to be called upon in a real game.




Erik Walden,
Linebacker, Middle Tennessee State
6-2, 243
6th Round (167 Overall)


Was a converted OLB from DE in college, shown some flashes, tried 2 sneak him through to PS and the Chiefs claimed him(speaking of which the Chiefs are jumping on each and every bit of young talent available, they just grabbed Mark Bradford the other day).



Now I'm not pimping this draft class or anything, or claiming that anyone has made it yet, but overall it has been very impressive what we have seen from our rookies thus far...We stocked up on RB's and CB's and the only questionable pick I had was Bennett and he looks like a monster out there.

LonghornsLegend
10-02-2008, 12:36 AM
6. Jalen Paramele, RB: ON TRACK. He's behind Ronnie and Ricky and Cobbs who is a ST monster. Parmele was drafted to eventually be the backup to Ronnie when Ricky is gone and he has shown he will more then be able to handle that in a year or 2 as he refines his game. He's on the PS squad right now but only because we are loaded at RB. If we weren't he'd definately be on the roster without a doubt. As long as he keeps progressing, he will be fine to replace Ricky in a year or two.
I wouldn't consider being released and on the PS 'on track', he has looked OK, but that 3rd RB job was up for grabs coming in.

Gay Ork Wang
10-02-2008, 03:08 AM
Leading the league in tackles on the Bengals isn't something to be proud of TBH.
but it still means he is better than at least 6 other guys

Joeyjr09
10-02-2008, 07:18 AM
I wouldn't consider being released and on the PS 'on track', he has looked OK, but that 3rd RB job was up for grabs coming in.

He didn't lose that 3rd RB job based off of how he ran the ball. He ran the ball far more effectively then Patrick Cobbs has. Cobbs won that job based on him being our best ST player. We didn't draft Parmele to play ST. We drafted him for his running ability because we want him to replace Ricky as Ronnie's backup in a year or two. Parmele had an uphill battle just to make the roster and most people knew that when he was drafted. The fact he stuck around as a 4th RB for a couple weeks shows that he impressed the staff enough to not risk him on the waiver wire until 100 percent necessay when Thomas went down and we needed to start signing more OL depth.

By all accounts he is on track to do exactly what we drafted him for which is replace Ricky in a year or two.

T-RICH49
10-02-2008, 08:32 AM
Brandon Flowers On track Has played very well, started every game and leads the Chiefs in solo tackles.. Will be one of the best cover 2 CBs in the game in a year or two. This kid is a baller. 18 solo tackles, 2 PDs, FR.

Brandon Carr Ahead of game Has played the best in our young secondary, has looked better than Flowers.. Started the last couple games because of an ailing Surtain. May overthrow Surtain as starting Cb when Surtain gets healthy. Plays ggressive, yet has a feel for playing the cover 2 corner position very well. Totals on the season: 15 solo tackles, 1 assist, 1 INT, 2 FR, 1 TFL, 3 PDs.

Carr is a gem and Flowers is just very good. OUr secondary issues have been solved thanks to their play.

well said.we're well set at CB for many years

Joeyjr09
10-02-2008, 03:31 PM
well said.we're well set at CB for many years

That's what the Browns fans thought when they got Wright and McDonald in last years draft. They felt so good about those 2 that they traded away Bodden and right now their CBs might be the weakest area of the team.

Point is, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Having a good 4 game stretch is hardly enough to say you are set there for years. They are playing very well and look like they could be the future but outside of surpassing early rookie expectations for a few games, they have not done anywhere near enough to warrant saying you guys are "set and CB for many years"

Splat
10-02-2008, 03:34 PM
Undrafted FB Mike Cox from Georgia Tech has really impressed me I knew he could block but his hands have been a pleasant surprise.

CC.SD
10-02-2008, 03:54 PM
Undrafted FB Mike Cox from Georgia Tech has really impressed me I knew he could block but his hands have been a pleasant surprise.

The king of undrafted rookie FBs right now is Mike Tolbert.

MarioPalmer
10-02-2008, 06:31 PM
Great job Longhornlegend, I really liked your write up. I saw the Dallas Cowboy HBO training camp series and have been interested in Martellus Bennett ever since. I always knew about him in college and always knew how talented he was physically, but to see him grow and to actually see that coaches really do get on these young kids because they know that they have so much potential and they will do whatever it takes to make them achieve it is just very cool to watch.

Also, for anyone that is a Kansas City fan, New York Jets fan, Denver Bronco's and Arizona fan please help me and some of us guys they would like to know how your rookies are doing.

I would love to know how:

Glen Dorsey, Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, DaJuan Morgan and even Barry Richardson for the Chiefs.

For the Broncos I would like to read about Ryan Clady. We all know about Eddie Royal, but Clady is a very intriguing player. I have seen him twice this year so far and I've come away very impressed, but not enough to see if he is progressing into a franchise LT. So if anyone has any info, please feel free to add.

The Jets were a very interesting team to me, not just for the Brett Favre, but because they were getting a supposed killer pass rushing OLB in Vernon Gholston.

The Cardinals I will see twice this year so I know I will get some good face time with Cromartie Rogers and Calais Campbell, but I would love to hear about them from a real fan that really pays attention. Also how is Doucet and Iwebema doing? I know about Hightower through fantasy football, but is he really the real deal?

Keep it up guys, if anyone has a fav team or teams lets here it, even if you don't have a fav team but a few fav rookies, let us know what you think of them.

Thecollegedropout
10-02-2008, 07:31 PM
Jets Draft

Round 1- DE/OLB Vernon Gholston
(Behind- Dont get me wrong he's no bust but he isnt having an sudden impact that most 6th overall pick guys should be having. Then again the kid is still VERY raw and only began playing football since HS and its his 1st year at OLB. But he cant even get on the field which is at the fault of the coaches and that is what is dissapointing. Also Pace and Thomas having nice years sort of hurts Gholston thus far. He is intriguing though and is a nice project to have on board, just he's an expensive project and hopefully it works for the best. By year 2 or 3, we should have a good idea where Gholston will rank upon for the Jets who can still use a pass rusher in the worst way)

Round 1- TE Dustin Keller
(On Track: He hasnt lit up the charts with anything by any means, but he has 2 TDs and has been a nice weapon for Favre in the season. His "Poor blocking" is something I havent seen yet which is a great sign and he's had maybe 1 or 2 drops the entire year. Gives us a good threat and hopefully he gets better by the year goes on. Tough to tell if he will be a star or not but he's been nice for us this year)

Round 4- CB Dwight Lowery
(Ahead of Schedule: Yet another 4th round contributor for the Jets. Easily has been our best rookie thus far this year. After Justin Miller got hurt, things opened up for Lowery to be the No.2 CB and after a strong training camp the kid began to just be a hell of a talent for the Jets. Has had tough assignments thus far, including covering Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson, and Wes Welker. Had an absolutely game saving diving breakup vs Miami week 1 that if he didnt make the play, is a TD for Miami IMO. Also broke up a few nice plays on MNF.

Not kidding when I say Darelle Revis and Dwight Lowery in time might just be the best young 1-2 punch when it comes to CB. The fact that they can do this great stuff without a consistent pass rush shows the talent each have.)

Round 5- QB Erik Ainge
(???- Hasnt played much in preseason or regular season due to injury. Did play final preseason game vs PHI and looked alright. Who knows on Ainge, but looks like a good backup QB in the NFL at the very least.)

Round 6- WR Marcus Henry
(???-Big tall WR, who hasnt done much in regular season including getting cut and resigned but from the preseason, he can definitely play decently. Could very well be the tall WR we can use in the future but so far hasnt gotten much time on the field.)

Round 7- OL Nate Garner
(No good-Yeah he was pretty bad in preseason and was so bad he was cut and I dont think wanted back in the practice squad. Hes with Miami's practice squad though and havent followed him much since. Looked really overmatched in preseason though which isnt too good of a sign for him but then again he's a 7th rounder)

And if he counts as a rookie as he didnt play a snap in the regular season of last year due to a season ender in preseason

7th round of 2007- WR Chansi Stuckey
(Ahead of schedule: For a 7th round WR who was hurt ALL of last year with a season ender in preseason, this kid has really been huge for the Jets this year as a 3rd WR of some sorts. Had a 3 game TD streak going on and has been one of Favre's better targets this year. Would have gotten his 4th TD in 4 games vs ARI but Hood broke it up I believe. Has been the 2nd best rookie on the team this year just behind Lowery, and its not like he's behind by that much. Has been that 3rd WR we've been looking for in quite some time)

scottyboy
10-02-2008, 07:57 PM
I actually really liked the jets draft. Gholston was the pick that needed to be made there(barring a trade up or down). Keller was a solid pick, and even better now with that fav-ray guy. I loved the Lowery pick. I told my cousin(jet fan) he'd be good and starting for them in a year. I was a little off on that, but still. And I loved Stuckey, again it looks even better with Favre there, he loves them

Caddy
10-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Buccaneers Draft.

Aqib Talib: Progressing Nicely
Is Tampa Bays nickel corner and sees a lot of action on passing downs, often covering the other teams top wide outs. Had a brain freeze in round one against the Saints but has since then looked good in pass defense notching his first career interception as well as several physical tackles.

Dexter Jackson: Big Question Marks
After 3 weeks of mediocrity on special teams, he really pulled his head out against the Packers. Gave the Bucs great field position on kick off returns and his 4th quarter punt return led to Matt Bryants game-winning field goal.

Jeremy Zuttah: Progressing Nicely
Has started at Right Guard from day 1 in place of the injured Davin Joesph (due back soon). He will revert to the bench, but he is an extremely capable backup and I would be more than happy for him to fill in along the offensive line in the future.

Dre Moore: ...
Got cut at the end of pre-season and currently resides on the practice squad. Has the potential, but I just can't see him capitalising on it.

Josh Johnson: Question Mark
The coaching staff like him enough to carry him as the 4th QB. Is a big-time project and the jury will be out on this one for quite some time.

Geno Hayes: Progressing Nicely
Has seen a lot of action when Derrick Brooks goes to the sideline. Is the primary WLB back up which is incredibly important in Tampas defense. As a 21 year old he looks like he could be a keeper and future starter.

Cory Boyd: Yeah no...
Got cut and I have no idea where he is. Another teams PS I assume.

scottyboy
10-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Buccaneers Draft.

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[B]Jeremy Zuttah: best player of all time:


he's been awesome and averages about 20 pancakes a game. He's so sweet and awesome and sweet.


caddy is one hella smart man

Bruce Banner
10-02-2008, 08:06 PM
caddy is one hella smart man

As soon as I read his post I wondered how long this would take. Not long apparently.

Dam8610
10-02-2008, 09:23 PM
I'll let you judge their progress:

OT Tony Ugoh - I'm counting him as the Colts' first rounder since that's where it went. Looked very good last year, and has been solid in the 2 games he played this year. The one knock you could have on him thus far is injuries, he went out of the Minnesota game with a groin injury (that was when Jared Allen started causing problems), but it looks like he'll be back to face the Texans this week.

C/G Mike Pollak - Has been injured since preseason, he said it's his first major injury of his career, looks to be on track to start this week since he's back.

LB Philip Wheeler - Missed out on a chance at the starting SLB (where he will eventually start) job with a knee injury in camp, but has been playing on special teams, which as a unit has drastically improved.

TE Jacob Tamme - Injuries are a common theme here, unfortunately. Jacob Tamme looked great in preseason, and pretty good when subbing for Dallas Clark (who - all together now - was injured in the game) in Week 1 against the Bears, but has been sidelined since with an injury. He should be back this week, and should be back in the #2 TE role.

DE Marcus Howard - For some reason, and my guess is the need for better run defenders with the best DTs the team had retiring, getting kicked off the team, and being moved to DE, Howard has been inactive thus far. He showed flashes of brilliance in preseason, getting to or near the QB several times.

WR Pierre Garcon - Has been healthy, but buried on the depth chart. Showed enough to make the team in arguably the toughest competition for roster spots at any position on the Colts roster, beating out veterans Devin Aromashodu and Onrea Jones, both of whom looked very good in preseason. Made some nice catches and kick returns in preseason.

C/G Steve Justice - Looked good in preseason, saw his first regular season action against the Jaguars, and did well. Should eventually start at OG.

RB Mike Hart - Made the team as the 3rd RB, looked a lot better than I expected during preseason, and seem to have the game of an APB, making some blocks, catching some swing passes, and running the ball hard.

TE Tom Santi - As expected, has been solid but unspectacular in extended playing time. Doesn't have the speed the Colts look for out of the "flex" TE role, so he should see most of his playing time come lining up at the traditional TE spot.

C/G Jamey Richard - Apparently has leapfrogged Justice as the top backup, getting the call to start the first game of the season when Saturday was hurt, and filling in at OG for Johnson when he had to slide over to Ugoh's spot. Has played fairly well for a 7th round rookie.

DE Curtis Johnson - His situation is very similar to Marcus Howard's. Showed flashes of brilliance in the preseason, but needs to learn not to jump offsides.

S Jaime Silva - Originally got demoted to the practice squad, but since has returned to the team. Is another part of that vastly improves special teams unit.

DT Eric Foster - At 265 pounds, has been the starting NT for the Colts the past 2 games. Fortunately, Daniel Muir is supposed to come off of injury this week, and LaJuan Ramsey has had 3 weeks to get familiar with the system the Colts are running, so hopefully he'll go back to his planned role of backup UT.

LB Jordan Senn - Looked very solid in preseason, could wind up a starter at WLB someday, but hasn't seen much if any action since the season started.

scottyboy
10-02-2008, 09:26 PM
DT Eric Foster - At 265 pounds, he is pure sexy beast. best DT in the game, so damn dominant. He eats people alive and threw down AD(literally). He just rapes offenses and makes them cry


dam with the spot on breakdown

steelersfan43
10-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Steelers

1-Rashard mendenhall, looked good for the runs he got, out for season for trying to truck ray lewis.
2 Limas sweed, Look good at sometimes in the pre season, other times he couldnt catch the ball.

Dam8610
10-02-2008, 09:31 PM
Round 1- TE Dustin Keller
(On Track: He hasnt lit up the charts with anything by any means, but he has 2 TDs and has been a nice weapon for Favre in the season. His "Poor blocking" is something I havent seen yet which is a great sign and he's had maybe 1 or 2 drops the entire year. Gives us a good threat and hopefully he gets better by the year goes on. Tough to tell if he will be a star or not but he's been nice for us this year)

Dustin Keller is going to be one of the best all around TEs in the league for a LONG time eventually. Call me a homer (Purdue fan), but IMO he was the best TE in the draft and the best TE prospect since Vernon Davis.

Dam8610
10-02-2008, 09:32 PM
dam with the spot on breakdown

Ah, scotty, you make me laugh at something that otherwise angers me to no end. For that, I thank you.

scottyboy
10-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Dustin Keller is going to be one of the best all around TEs in the league for a LONG time eventually. Call me a homer (Purdue fan), but IMO he was the best TE in the draft and the best TE prospect since Vernon Davis.

he's gotta up his blocking. He rarely goes in on running plays, and when he blocks he gets out muscled quite a bit. He's an excellent reciever and will be one of the best pass catching/athletic TE's in the game for a while, but he's gotta really up his blocking and muscle alot before he's close to an elite complete TE

adschofield
10-02-2008, 09:41 PM
Glen Dorsey, Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, DaJuan Morgan and even Barry Richardson for the Chiefs.


Glenn Dorsey- He missed most of training camp, but is still making an impact on the defensive side of the ball. He hasn't been getting into the backfield as much as I think he will be able to do in the future, but along with Tank Tyler, he's shut down the run up the middle of the field.

Branden Albert- STUD. He is an amazing pass blocker at this point. He held his own against Jon Abraham, Elvis Dumervil, Derrick Burgress, and the Patriot pass rushing attack. In fact, I don't think he gave up a sack against those players. He could improve as a run blocker, but he's well on his way to becoming an elite LT. However, he just dislocated elbow.

Brandon Flowers- He's been a great cover corner and great in run support. Well on his way to becoming a great CB.

Jamaal Charles- The coaches have tried really hard to integrate him into the offense. He hasn't made a big impact, but he's our 3rd down back at this point. He's been a good receiver and blocker, but hasn't broken off big runs.

DaJuan Morgan- Struggled in the preseason and is our back-up safety at this point. Hasn't shown much at this point.

Barry Richardson- He's a back-up and I haven't seen much from him yet.

Brandon Carr- One of our best draft picks and is our starting corner opposite Flowers. He's just as good if not better than Flowers. Great athleticism and if he refines his technique, he'll be great

d34ng3l021
10-02-2008, 10:18 PM
Branden Albert gave up a sack and FF to John Abraham. He just pushed him off expecting a back to be protecting. I dont know if it was Charles or Alberts fault.

MarioPalmer
10-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Excellent posts, I wasn't expecting such a great report on Brandon Albert, I mean I knew he was talented, but I thought it might have taken him longer because of his limited starting at the position in his junior year. But thats great, I really liked him coming out of college and I was a huge fan of his and actually thought that maybe the Patriots, as crazy as that sounds, would have taken him because of their lack of athleticism at the LT spot. But that is great to hear.

Also Brandon Flowers is a keeper, I knew that from watching him at Virginia Tech. He might not have worked out the greatest, but he is one of those guys who is just a football player and a damn good one at that. Tell me "adschofield" does he play like Ty Law? I was reminded of Law when watching Flowers at Va Tech, because of his ability to know the game and to be a student of the game type player. He may not now in the league, but at the time thats the way I saw him. Law wasn't a super highly regarded player coming out of college, but because he was extremely smart and knew the game like the back f his hand he was very seldom beat horribly and certainly learned from his mistakes quickly.

Sorry to hear that "collegedropout", I was a fan of Gholston's coming out of college, I knew he wasn't the most intense guy, but his athleticism made me have a good amount of confidence in him. Hopefully it works out for the best. I would think with his speed and athleticism he would at least play in passing downs as a pure blitzing pass rusher. Just to at least get the feel for going up against NFL OT's.

Lowery is having a great rookie campaign. I watched him during the Cards vs. Jets game and I came away very impressed from that game alone. I didn't write up a view of him because I only saw one game, but I definitly saw things that I liked. He should have gone in at least the 2nd round and he reminds me of another Bradon Flowers type. Not a great workout but the kid just knows the game of football and can play it with his eyes closed. He looked strong and smart and thats more than I can say about most rookie CB's. And your right, coupled with Revis you guys could be in for a top notch elite CB tandom. That will be awesome for you guys and you guys should enjoy it while you got it. Just ask the fans of the Bills earlier this decade. They had Winfield and Clements, thats something I could def see from Revis and Lowery.

Dam8610 I have faith that Tamme will be an excellent 2nd TE for you guys and have the capablilty of starting when Clark goes down. I see him as at least your next Ben Utecht and I loved him coming from Kentucky. He progressed well there with Andre Woodson throwign to him all the time so he definitly polished his receiving skils. I would like to see where he is towards the end of the year and see if Peyton has a lot of confidence in him. If Manning likes him then you guys know you got a steal.

Very good posts guys, this has become a really cool thread. Thanks for the write ups, especially the team ones.

Bruce Banner
10-02-2008, 11:25 PM
Ask and you shall receive. If you continue to have questions just make a thread.


Very god posts guys

Wouldn't go that far.

MarioPalmer
10-02-2008, 11:36 PM
Ask and you shall receive. If you continue to have questions just make a thread.



Wouldn't go that far.


haha, sorry, def will edit that...lolz

d34ng3l021
10-02-2008, 11:54 PM
Matt Ryan Ahead of schedule

Matt Ryan does not look like a rookie as of now; the way he handles himself is very much like a veteran. His leadership qualities are easily imminent and his teammates look up to him in that. He is able to handle being the image of the Falcons with great poise and shows great responsibility. The way he talks to the media and teammates is very impressive. As for his on field ability, he is doing a good job. Nothing spectacular, but he does continue to show flashes of greatness. Against sub par opponents in the Lions and Chiefs, he showed great composure in the pocket and delivered the ball very well in all situations. He has shown that his arm strength was underestimated during the draft time and he can launch the deep ball and deliver balls with average-good zip. When he faced legit opponents (TB CAR), he was not nearly as bad as the stats indicated. During the TB game, he started out 0/9 with 2 interceptions and was hit around like no other. Every pass play he was hit but got straight up. I think there were 2 roughing the passer penalties, including one which the player was fined for. After such a rough start, I figured there would be no way he would play better and I figured there to be no chance for us to be within 1 possession of the Bucs in the 4th quarter, but we were. After starting out 0/9 with 2 picks, he finished 13/24 for 158 yards (10/18 in the 2nd half) against the NFL's reigning number 1 pass defense. I find that to be quite astounding, especially considering the beating he took. In the Panthers game, he continued to show flashes, despite poor statistics. The WR's dropped 6 passes, including 2-3 on 3rd downs. The game might have been completely different if those passes were caught. What impressed me during this game was the fact that the coaches let Ryan run a no huddle offense on the 2nd drive of the game. It might have succeeded because the Panthers were not expecting it, but letting a rookie do that in his 4th game is very good. He did a great job of it too, completing 4/5 passes and getting into the redzone, where we stall as usual. The coaching staff seems to have more and more confident in Ryan and are going to let Ryan air it out more to open up running lanes for Michael Turner. I do not know how else to put this, but Ryan is going to be a very very good QB in this league.

Bruce Banner
10-02-2008, 11:56 PM
Deangelo, you talk as if you're a fan or something!

jk

d34ng3l021
10-03-2008, 12:00 AM
Deangelo, you talk as if you're a fan or something!

jk

Dude. I'm always completely objective.

PalmerToCJ
10-03-2008, 12:07 AM
I love how people are just bashing Rivers on the sheer basis that he's on the Bengals defense. How many of you bashing our D have watched them play a single game this year? Our offense used to be good, they sure aren't anymore so I'm not going to use years past for basis on why our offense is still elite. People shouldn't do that for our defense either, they're currently the strength of the team. Granted, that's not saying much but the defense has really improved. The thing that has killed them to this point is being on the field so long, they'll do fine then get pounded in the 4th quarter.

So yes, Rivers is doing solid and if anything it's in part due to the solid play of our defense as a unit. Believe me, as horrible as the team is playing the last thing I would do is stand up for our defense if it played like it always has but things have changed this year. Unfortunately when you start the worst center in the league and can't get 1st downs... It's hard to win games regardless of how good your D is.

Bruce Banner
10-03-2008, 12:09 AM
Dude. I'm always completely objective.

Yeah, I know.

It just easier for me to accept reality by molding facts into punchlines.

Truth of the matter is. You have a future at the most important position and we continue to have mediocre stopgaps. One can lead to rings and one will lead to early playoff exits (In Tampa at least).

d34ng3l021
10-03-2008, 01:46 AM
Yeah, I know.

It just easier for me to accept reality by molding facts into punchlines.

Truth of the matter is. You have a future at the most important position and we continue to have mediocre stopgaps. One can lead to rings and one will lead to early playoff exits (In Tampa at least).

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Bruce Banner
10-03-2008, 01:50 AM
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You've probably heard the stories about Gruden's "dazzling" offense and his "genius" overwhelming young QBs. (Those quotes are from his autobiography)

CC.SD
10-03-2008, 09:52 AM
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You've probably heard the stories about Gruden's "dazzling" offense and his "genius" overwhelming young QBs. (Those quotes are from his autobiography)

100% accurate--the future of the league.

49ersfan_87
10-03-2008, 11:08 AM
Im not gona say if theyre on track or not, you read and decide..

Kentwan Balmer- DT SF 49ers, #29 Overall

- Is currently the backup DT. He's behind the depth chart on some less than inspiring players such as Isaac Sopoaga and Aurbrayo Franklin. Made a couple of nice plays vs the lions, but is that really hard to do? Anyways, he has a motor but his technique is off. That's more encouraging for the future than if it was the other way around. Hoping he gets some looks in the future.

Chilo Rachal- OG SF 49ers, #39 overall

- Currently the backup OG. He's the primary backup RG. Our current starting RG Tony Wragge had been holding his own before the saints game. I'm not sure if he will start this year or not considering he came out a year ahead of schedule from college. I don't doubt him though. I still think this kid is going to be a player.

Reggie Smith- CB/S, SF 49ers, #75 overall

- Currently the backup CB. He was 6th on the depth chart (we carried 7 CB's) and is now 5th due to NickelBack Shawntae Spencer's injury. The coaches have him earmarked as Walt Harris's eventual replacement at CB opposite Clements. I think it's wiser to have him at FS because his speed could be a detriment at CB. He would be a good CB in a cover 2 scheme. But im not a coach so what do i know, right? Has been inactive every game except for Detroit, where he played some special teams i believe.

Cody Wallace- OC, SF 49ers, #107 overall

- Currently the backup C. He got pushed around like a ragdoll at the beginning of TC but improved as the preseason went along. He is nowhere near ready to play though. He needs the year to bulk up. C Eric Heitmann, our current starter, is a FA after this year so im hoping we can plug Wallace in next year. Has been inactive every game.

Josh Morgan- WR, SF 49ers, #174 overall

- Currently the backup WR, #4 on the depth chart. Normally with our pathetic WR corps that would spell trouble but they are improved this year. He is still a player no doubt. Was great in the preseason but got sidelined due to getting a staph infection (lost 15 pounds). He has the talent though without a doubt. Great size/speed combo (Was 6-0, 219 with a 4.4 combine). He's regaining his weight now, hes around 210 i believe. 49ers beat writer Matt Maiocco said he was the most impressive rookie WR he had seen since Terrell Owens. Only has 3 catches but the 49ers are spreading the ball around a lot. Look for him to get an increased role as the season goes on. He could be the only 49ers rookie to make a sizeable impact this year.

Larry Grant- LB, SF 49ers, #214 overall

- Nothing much to say. Got cut and is on the PS.

Matthew Jones
10-03-2008, 11:14 AM
Jerod Mayo has looked fantastic for New England. 25 tackles so far (30 unofficial.) Matthew Slater looked bad - he fumbled a kickoff and hasn't been heard from since. The others have yet to see any substantial time. I've heard good things about Wheatley, Crable, and Wilhite, and bad things about O'Connell so far.

vidae
10-03-2008, 12:10 PM
Branden Albert gave up a sack and FF to John Abraham. He just pushed him off expecting a back to be protecting. I dont know if it was Charles or Alberts fault.

Jamaal Charles was supposed to stay back and chip Abraham but didn't. Technically the sack goes to Albert but it wasn't his fault.

d34ng3l021
10-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Jamaal Charles was supposed to stay back and chip Abraham but didn't. Technically the sack goes to Albert but it wasn't his fault.

Yeah. Sam Baker got credited for a sack when in fact the DE stunted and Blalock didnt handle it. I was pretty upset.

T-RICH49
10-03-2008, 02:34 PM
Jamaal Charles was supposed to stay back and chip Abraham but didn't. Technically the sack goes to Albert but it wasn't his fault.

Charles def needs to work on his blocking

CC.SD
10-03-2008, 03:04 PM
Charles def needs to work on his blocking

So does Darren McFadden, he got molested by Jyles Tucker.

adschofield
10-03-2008, 03:14 PM
Branden Albert gave up a sack and FF to John Abraham. He just pushed him off expecting a back to be protecting. I dont know if it was Charles or Alberts fault.

No that was when Abraham lined up against Damion McIntosh, unless Abraham had another sack that I don't remember...

Edit: Now I remember...that wasn't really Albert's fault

Dam8610
10-04-2008, 12:00 AM
Dam8610 I have faith that Tamme will be an excellent 2nd TE for you guys and have the capablilty of starting when Clark goes down. I see him as at least your next Ben Utecht and I loved him coming from Kentucky. He progressed well there with Andre Woodson throwign to him all the time so he definitly polished his receiving skils. I would like to see where he is towards the end of the year and see if Peyton has a lot of confidence in him. If Manning likes him then you guys know you got a steal.

For the Colts, Jacob Tamme was one of the top TEs in my rankings (really #2 behind Dustin Keller), simply because of what they like to do with TEs. Also, watching him at Kentucky, he was excellent there, and seemed to carry the same skills over to the NFL level through the preseason. He can make TOUGH catches (arguably has the hands of a WR), runs great routes, and has the speed to stretch the field and outrun any LB, with the size to be a mismatch for most DBs. He offers amazing versatility and flexibility to this offense, which hopefully will start to run on all cylinders this week.

Mr. Stiller
10-04-2008, 04:00 AM
1 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois ~~ *Push*

At first I was extremely upset we didn't get a chance at Jeff Otah. However watching this kid this preseason has given me some time think this is a blessing in disguise. I love Willie Parker and as much as I think he's underrated, he still lacks elite vision and awareness. No one can get to the edge faster than Willie. However Mendy in Pre-season and the Baltimore game really showed some huge promise. As terrible as the playcalling has been (And the give-me formations) He looked really sharp in Baltimore. His acceleration to hit the hole is like nothing I've seen before, I've not seen a RB Explode like that into a running lane. Unfortunately for his broken shoulder I can't see him progress. However I didn't expect him to get much gametime this season anyways considering Arians loves to over-run Willie Parker. I think next year he will explode.

2 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas *PUSH

I knew that Sweed wouldn't make a huge impact as a rookie. His knocks are the things I knew would make him redshirt a year. His route running is still a bit suspect, but his hands, runblocking and drive are second to none. Jim Wexell a long time beat reporter for The Steelers Scout site had this to say:

"That's a good question steelmann. I was watching a reporter on TV say he's hearing that Sweed is a bust and is really struggling and I told my wife that so many reporters are a month behind. Sweed definitely struggled in August, but he's been making some great catches in practice of late. I wasn't able to watch Wednesday, and won't be able to watch today, but he's working very hard and it wouldn't surprise me if he has to come in in an emergency situation and makes some big plays.

Sweed is an aware individual. He always says hello to me and I told him about three weeks ago that I was worried about him. He asked why, and I told him that I think he's going to break out, but that I worry he'll get discouraged. "You don't know me very well," he said. "I don't get discouraged." So we have the winks and nods down now. I tell him I've got my eye on him and he tells me he won't let me down. I really hope he makes it and believe he will."

I love that Attitude and it makes me believe that we got a top notch future Receiver here.

3 88 Bruce Davis DE UCLA *PUSH*

Any fan that followed the draft knew that if Bruce Davis was one of our picks, that he'd be a special teamer for a year and get on a NFL Level weight training program. Davis certainly has exceptional speed and coverage ability, he's just behind in the strength department. Luckily for us, he should only be needed in Injury situations and we have the time to bring him along slowly. Even if he was game ready there's no way he'd be playing ahead of Harrison or Woodley... both, which if they continue this level of play, Should be pro-bowlers this season. I think a year in our system and some strength training he'll be a pass rushing specialist next year and slowly introduced to his role. He's helped Special Teams improve a lot as well.

4 130 Tony Hills T Texas *Behind*

I was liking Tony Hills a lot. His play so far this year has left me unimpressed. I think that Texas doesn't refine some of their talent very well. He's almost stubborn to taking new tactics/technique because the coaching staff at Texas supposedly was "Content just letting him do his thing". That said I think if he buys into the system, gets back in shape from the injury, and gets some strength I think at worst he'll be a serviceable backup at all 4 exterior positions. At best I think he could be a solid LT, thought I'm skeptical.

5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon *AHEAD*

Some may be perplexed why Dixon is ahead. Well coming off the severe injury that likely cost him a Heisman and high draft pick, he showed that potential. He's got a solid arm, he has shown the ability to be decisive, though he looks like he'll get more decisive with time in the system and like Ben, he can make plays from nothing. With his rapid progression in the system there's talks already about not extending Batch at the end of the season and not re-signing Byron Leftwich. If he's showing the coaching staff that kind of Promise, I'd have to say he's way ahead of schedule.

6 188 Mike Humpal OLB Iowa *Cut/Injury*

Humpal showed excellent athleticism in coverage and the ability to be a nuisance for opposing teams in the run game and ST's coverage. An injury put an end to his season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in camp next year again.

6 194 Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia *Cut/Injury*

Mundy is just insane. He's not the most physically gifted but the dude has to be a genius. He was selected for his ability to understand defensive schemes quickly and his ability to make adjustments. In his 4 pre-season games he was a machine. All over the field, in the right place all the time. Word is he learned about 75% of the playbook in TC. A rookie, Learned 75% of Dick LeBeaus Zone Blitz scheme.... In one of the scheme's most demanding positions. He'll definitely be one of the first guys signed after the season back in camp.

Patrick Bailey LB 6-4 235 Duke *Surprise*

I read up on Bailey seeing as we signed him and thought he had impressive measureables. He's shown flashes of being a solid rotational 3-4 OLB, but his niche is St's another big hand in improving it. Our ST's coverage was pathetic the last 2-3 years.. This kid had 2 amazing shut down tackles against Baltimore. Stopping them for 16 yard gain to the 12, and 27 yard gain at the 29. That may not be impressive to you, but we were consistently allowing opposing ST's units to take the ball to midfield every kick. He's a huge ST's player. Unfortunately he and Donovan Woods are probably competing for Rookie of the year.

Dorien Bryant WR 5-9 175 Purdue * Cut/ Sucked*

Doug Legursky C 6-1 323 Marshall *Cut/Re-signed/Cut/Re-signed*

Showed promise in the pre-season but I don't know if he wins the #'s game. Maybe after a season on the PS.

Roy Lewis CB 5-10 190 Washington *PS*

Lewis looked like a definite keeper in Pre-season, he's not the ST ace Anthony Madison is, which probably cost him a roster slot, but he looks like he might be a future player.

Decent but very inconsistent.

Mike Potts QB 6-4 220 William & Mary * Cut*

Martavius Prince DT 6-2 282 Southern Miss *Cut*

Rauch K 5-11 207 Appalachian State *Cut*

Jordan Reffett DT 6-4 292 Washington *PS*

Decent ability to hold the point, but I don't see a monster in waiting.

Micah Rucker WR 6-6 221 Eastern Illinois *Cut for Martin Nance*

Dezmond Sherrod TE 6-2 250 Mississippi State *PS*

Looks like a solid future H-Back Candidate

Travis Williams CB 5-9 180 East Carolina *Cut*

Donovan Woods LB 6-2 230 Oklahoma State *Ahead*

Donovan Woods is another guy showing tons of promise. between him, Davis and Bailey our ST's coverage has made a huge leap. Unfortunately for us, it Came after we lost Daniel Sepulveda and are dealing with Shitburger. So hopefully next year Punt coverage will be amazing.

sweetness34
10-04-2008, 11:09 AM
Kris Williams: N/A - Can't really grade a guy who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL yet. Love his promise and potential, but his back injury is worrisome.

Matt Forte - I will disagree with '51 on Forte. He has very good speed for a guy his size. It's not at the same level as Peterson, LT, Chris Johnson, etc but he's plenty fast. Poor angle or not he dusted Bob Sanders. He ran poorly at the combine but his game speed is very, very fast. Secondly I do think he's going to be a top 10 back in this league. He's incredibly polished for a rookie. He can run, block, and catch. And what impresses me is his ability to run behind that horrid OL. Very good vision, has good change of direction, gets a lot of YAC, runs hard, and is elusive. Now I'm not proclaiming him to be an All Pro, but he does have a chance to be a very, very good RB for a long time in this league. Give him some consistent blocking and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Marcus Harrison - Still very raw but has the potential to be an effective DT at this level. Won't ever be a Tommie Harris caliber player but he is a starting DT in this league IMO, he has that potential. Quick of the ball, strong, gets into the backfield. Needs work in the run game still but he's a definite steal.

Craig Steltz - Inactive all 4 games so far. Struggled in TC and Preseason a bit, like his potential and think he can start for us but he does need some experience and needs to get stronger.

Earl Bennett - This is the one pick that really caught my eye in April and hasn't been given the chance to show what he's got. Like '51 said it takes WR's a bit to get accustomed to the NFL. He's a good route runner, has good hands, good after the catch, and gets off the jam well. Doesn't have elite speed or size but he's a guy I see as a weapon in our offense down the line.

Zach Bowman - Practice squad

Kellen Davis - Very surprising so far this year. Missed a key block against Carolina on 4th and short that lost us the game but he's a very intriguing player. Has the size, athleticism, and hands to do some things at TE. Has a past of being hard headed and a lazy player so hopefully he corrects that but potential wise he and Olsen could be a very nice duo down the road.

Joey LaRoque - The guy I didn't think had a chance to make this team out of our 7th Round picks gets dressed and plays on ST's and gets a tackle last week, gotta love it. Don't see him doing much on our defense but hey if he can be effective on our coverage unit then I'd say for a 7th Rounder it's a good pick.

So far I'd say Angelo had a good draft, and it would be even better if we can get Williams on the field and if Steltz and Bennett pan out which I think they will.

MarioPalmer
10-04-2008, 12:36 PM
Outstanding analysis fellas, from the both of you guys. Very impressed "sweetness" and "Mr.Stiller".

First off I loved the Matt Forte pick and I love that he came right in and took the job from Benson. That there showed the Bears that he was ready to step in and be the man. Very few rookies come in with that kind of confidence, espcially when the said rookie is going up against a top 5 pick who is supposed to be the franchise back. Forte didn't care and came right in a whooped up on Benson and made him disposable. I love the way Forte plays, he plays the way that Benson was supposed to play. A hard nosed player that doesn't mind getting his nose bloody if it means getting a first down. He does have deceptive speed, not a blazer, but certainly not a big deal, he has the instincts to get through the hole quick and has the patience to wait for his blocks to open a lane up. Something that Benson never had.

Marcus Harrison I think will be a very effective player and definitly give you guys a worthy 3rd DT on the depth chart, with the ability to start one day. I really like him, but he's, like you said, "raw" to make a huge impact this year. Give him till 2010 to make a NFL style impact and you guys will be more than pleased with him.

As for the Steelers, I was surprised by Mendenhall pick as well, but we saw how quickly the Steelers fell when Parker went down. I love Mendenhall. I know he has fumble issues but those are correctable with no problems. I love that he fits the Steeler mentalility to a "T". He is a Steeler type back, big powerful, smart and fast. He is a little raw in the pass blocking game, but I think every superstar college running back, so it's no big deal. I think before the injury he was on his way of making a huge impact on this year because I think he was just getting the grasp of the NFL game and speed. I loved him during the Baltimore game and I was really impressed with his first few runs, but then the injury. Don't worry about Mendy, you guys are gonna be sick next year with a healthy Mendy and Parker.....WOW!

Great job guys, really injoyed those reads, def 2 teams I needed to catch up on. I was wondering does anyone have a view on the Vikes, Bills, Cards and Eagles?

Go_Eagles77
10-04-2008, 09:10 PM
I'll write a little analysis for our draft. So far it looks pretty impressive but it's still really early. Grades are based on where they were drafted to how good they look so far.

1 - Rd.2 DT Trevor Laws: Will most likely be a career backup but that's what he was drafted for, to spell Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley and so far he has looked pretty decent, doesn't make too many big plays but he does a good job of filling the gap and he has a great motor, solid but unspectacular. Grade - B

2 - Rd.2 WR DeSean Jackson: What can I say other than he's a strong canidate for rookie of the year. Besides a couple of bone head plays he has looked fantastic and has surpassed expectations that were already pretty lofty. I can't wait to see what he can do in the future with more experience under his belt. Has the potential to take it to the house on PR too with one of over 60 yards. Grade - A

3 - Rd.3 DE Bryan Smith: Has a great motor and was pretty impressive in the preseason but unfortunately hasn't been able to crack the active roster due to our depth at DE. Grade - C+

4. - Rd.4 OG Mike McGlynn: Looked pretty impressive in the preseason, he's a nasty dude, but as a backup he hasn't done anything yet. C+

5. Rd.4 S/KR Quintin Demps: Great special teamer and it's hard to ask for much more from a rookie 4th round safety. Returned one to the house in the PS and in the regular season has gotten to mid field once or twice so that's nice, but he has looked even better on punt coverage with his ability to down the ball inside the 10 yard line. Grade - B+

6. Rd.4 CB Jack Ikegwuonu: I like this pick because although he is on IR for the year as expected when we drafted him, he had the potential to be a 1st round pick when healthy, so just imagine if he lives up to that potential, it will be a great value at the end of the 4th round. He hasn't played one snap in the pros yet though. Grade - Undecided

7. Rd.6 OG Mike Gibson: Looked solid in the PS but got injured so the team stashed him on IR for the year, it's extremely doubtful he would have made the team otherwise due to numbers. Grade - C

8. Rd.6 MLB Joe Mays: One of the stars of the preseason when he led the league in tackles, has a nose for the football and looks like he could even be a potential starter in the future but it most likely wouldn't be here because of Stewart Bradley, Hasn't made the active roster though because he wasn't one of the better special teamers but if Bradley got hurt Mays might get the start. Grade - B+

9. Rd.6 OLB Andy Studebaker: When he got drafted out of Div 3 Wheaton College where he played DE everyone knew he would be a project, looked ok in the preseason but it's no surprise he didn't make the final cut. However the team did get him on the practice squad so there is still hope. Grade - C

10. Rd.7 OT King Dunlap: Huge LT out of Auburn, I was actually very impressed with him in the PS and he outplayed his draft slot, however like Gibson he got hurt and was put on IR, has potential. Grade - B

MarioPalmer
10-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Thanks "Go_Eagles" I forgot you took Laws before you took Jackson...lol God Jackson looks great, it wouldn't matter is your draft produces all backups, if Jackson turns into the next Steve Smith or Chad Johnson your good to go and this drat will be a success. Jackson looks like a phenom and it is an obvious blunder he didn't go in the top 10, great find in the 2nd Eagles, couldn't ask for anything more right? A franchise wide out in the 2nd round.

soybean
10-05-2008, 04:14 PM
Thanks "Go_Eagles" I forgot you took Laws before you took Jackson...lol God Jackson looks great, it wouldn't matter is your draft produces all backups, if Jackson turns into the next Steve Smith or Chad Johnson your good to go and this drat will be a success. Jackson looks like a phenom and it is an obvious blunder he didn't go in the top 10, great find in the 2nd Eagles, couldn't ask for anything more right? A franchise wide out in the 2nd round.

yet i get chastised for asking if people rather have him or CJ.

CJ has the ability to be the greatest WR in the league, got the build of a greek god, but it's all potential at this point.

D-Jax is a game changer and has shown his ability to be a legit deep threat by burning both chicago and dallas' secondary.

619
10-05-2008, 04:17 PM
Thanks "Go_Eagles" I forgot you took Laws before you took Jackson...lol God Jackson looks great, it wouldn't matter is your draft produces all backups, if Jackson turns into the next Steve Smith or Chad Johnson your good to go and this drat will be a success. Jackson looks like a phenom and it is an obvious blunder he didn't go in the top 10, great find in the 2nd Eagles, couldn't ask for anything more right? A franchise wide out in the 2nd round.

Eh, I was calling for him in the mid-first but those pesky Buc fans refused. :rolleyes:

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 04:18 PM
Eh, I was calling for him in the mid-first but those pesky Buc fans refused. :rolleyes:

You really think that Jackson would be doing this well in Tampa?

Fact of the matter is, he is in the perfect situation in Philly.

619
10-05-2008, 04:21 PM
You really think that Jackson would be doing this well in Tampa?

Fact of the matter is, he is in the perfect situation in Philly.

Well, you guys still drafted the poor man's D-Jax anyways . ;)

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 04:22 PM
Well, you guys still drafted the poor man's D-Jax anyways . ;)

Yeah yeah don't remind me....

giantsfan
10-05-2008, 04:22 PM
Fact of the matter is, he is in the perfect situation in Philly.

Something often not considered by his supporters, i.e. soybean comparing him to Calvin Johnson.

soybean
10-05-2008, 04:33 PM
Something often not considered by his supporters, i.e. soybean comparing him to Calvin Johnson.

please. the eagles haven't had a true number 1 receiver pre and post T.O.

you all act like the eagles made him who he is.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 04:36 PM
please. the eagles haven't had a true number 1 receiver pre and post T.O.

you all act like the eagles made him who he is.

I guess having a top tier QB and being in a pass happy offense contributes nothing to his success.

DeSean Jackson + Tampa's offense = no headlines this year

soybean
10-05-2008, 04:51 PM
I guess having a top tier QB and being in a pass happy offense contributes nothing to his success.

DeSean Jackson + Tampa's offense = no headlines this year

same can be said for any receiver right now.

but the mere fact that i tried to compare desean jackson (2008 eagles) to CJ (2007 lions) was ludicrous?

yeah, the eagles are a pass happy offense but the lions weren't exactly a WCO team last year.

yeah i know... CJ was hurt for most of the year, but when he wasn't it wasn't like he was jerry ricing people all over the field.

I don't hate CJ. I love CJ but i think it's unfair that D-jax is very underrated.

hell throw eddie royal into the mix too.

the only reason he fell so low on the draft boards was more of his attitude/character concerns and his subpar junior season than anything else, even his size.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 04:57 PM
but the mere fact that i tried to compare desean jackson (2008 eagles) to CJ (2007 lions) was ludicrous?

People were comparing DeSean to Calvin as prospects, which Calvin takes easily.


I love CJ but i think it's unfair that D-jax is very underrated.


DeSean is not underrated, at all.


the only reason he fell so low on the draft boards was more of his attitude/character concerns and his subpar junior season than anything else, even his size.

All of those reasons you stated are legitimate reasons to fall on draft day. I would be concerned about an undersized receiver that fell off statistically when the #1 offensive threat left. Throw in an attitude and you have fallen an entire round.

Go_Eagles77
10-05-2008, 06:48 PM
I guess having a top tier QB and being in a pass happy offense contributes nothing to his success.

DeSean Jackson + Tampa's offense = no headlines this year

This statement is so wrong it's funny, if that were true than why wouldn't the eagles be producing pro bowl caliber receivers left and right? Why is Brian Westbrook the leading receiver every year? The eagles version of the WCO is one of the most difficult to learn in the league and it seems like DeSean is the first true threat the eagles have drafted at WR in 10 years, that could either mean out of all the receivers the eagles drafted in that time period they were all terrible, it could be bad coaching and development, and it could mean inability to learn the playbook. Many people including me were expecting Jackson to almost redshirt a year and just return punts with getting a few catches here and there, but what he has been able to do has been very impressive.

themaninblack
10-05-2008, 06:54 PM
Rivers had a decent pick today and returned it 39 yards.

d34ng3l021
10-05-2008, 08:36 PM
Ryan is progressing pretty well. I see improvement from him on a game to game play to play basis. Its kind of ridiculous.

SenorGato
10-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Gholston registered 0 TKLs and 0 SCKs. Keller had no catches.

The Jets just can't buy a good first round.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 09:39 PM
This statement is so wrong it's funny, if that were true than why wouldn't the eagles be producing pro bowl caliber receivers left and right? Why is Brian Westbrook the leading receiver every year? The eagles version of the WCO is one of the most difficult to learn in the league and it seems like DeSean is the first true threat the eagles have drafted at WR in 10 years, that could either mean out of all the receivers the eagles drafted in that time period they were all terrible, it could be bad coaching and development, and it could mean inability to learn the playbook. Many people including me were expecting Jackson to almost redshirt a year and just return punts with getting a few catches here and there, but what he has been able to do has been very impressive.

We are on two different wavelengths here.

soybean
10-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Gholston registered 0 TKLs and 0 SCKs. Keller had no catches.

The Jets just can't buy a good first round.

vernon gholston is a bust of epic proportions. I don't event think ohio state fans would even care to defend him.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 09:54 PM
vernon gholston is a bust of epic proportions. I don't event think ohio state fans would even care to defend him.

Too early to give any player that label.

HUGH!
10-05-2008, 10:06 PM
Beau Bell is progressing very well. He will be a force to reckon with. He is just on a very underrated browns defense.

themaninblack
10-13-2008, 10:59 PM
DT Pat Sims finally got some decent playing time this past Sunday against the Jets and was VERY impressive. He's got excellent explosion off the ball and uses his leverage well. He even gave Alan Faneca a hard time on at least one occasion.

BlindSite
10-13-2008, 11:16 PM
Too early to give any player that label.

I tend to agree, but I called Gholston being a but long before the draft and I am not surprised that I'm correct. His game never appeared to translate to the NFL well at all and not even having one tackle speaks volumes.

Sniper
10-13-2008, 11:20 PM
DeSean Jackson: 29 catches, 433 yards, 14.9 ypc, 1 TD
6 carries, 50 yards, 8.3 ypc
19 punt returns, 253 yards, 13.3 ypr 1 TD

Championship!

MarioPalmer
10-13-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm glad you guys resurected this thread, I really enjoyed the info from everyone.

But if we could keep it to the original format it would be much more helpful to read.

Remeber;

Name in bold- team-position-drafted spot
Stats-
A little about them-

Try and keepp it that way and we can read it more clearly. But glad it's back.

Menardo75
10-13-2008, 11:40 PM
Hmm well Balmer has finally earned his way into the rotation has not played too bad. Josh Morgan gets better every week, and thats about it.

d34ng3l021
10-14-2008, 12:30 AM
So weekly update on Matt Ryan.

He is still the ****.

holt_bruce81
10-14-2008, 12:34 AM
Donnie Avery is progressing nicely after fully recoving from an ankle injury early on in the season. Made a sick catch yesterday to give the Rams a chance to win. (which obviously they did)

MetSox17
10-20-2008, 07:15 PM
Who's watching him every week?

Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/848654.html

illmatic74
10-20-2008, 07:19 PM
Who's watching him every week?



http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/848654.html Thought it was acredible source until I realized Whitlock wrote it

BeerBaron
10-20-2008, 07:23 PM
Several Bears rookies stepped it up this weekend. Steltz and Bowman saw the field for the first time each and both helped out big time forcing turnovers.

And of course we all know Forte....

We just need Williams and Bennett to see the field some now and we'd have our rookie crop performing well hopefully

LonghornsLegend
10-20-2008, 07:31 PM
Donnie Avery is progressing nicely after fully recoving from an ankle injury early on in the season. Made a sick catch yesterday to give the Rams a chance to win. (which obviously they did)

I remember arguing with guys in the Cowboys draft forum about how we should think about going his way, he has always looked like a Santonio Holmes clone to me, and with the type of impact he's making as a rookie I think he can take over nicely once Holt leaves, but for the short term he should kill the single coverage he has been getting.

Bruce Banner
10-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Well at least we know it's a coaching problem with Dorsey.

MetSox17
10-20-2008, 07:38 PM
I remember arguing with guys in the Cowboys draft forum about how we should think about going his way, he has always looked like a Santonio Holmes clone to me, and with the type of impact he's making as a rookie I think he can take over nicely once Holt leaves, but for the short term he should kill the single coverage he has been getting.

I think i remember putting him in a few mocks of ours, but i never thought he'd be the first WR taken.

MetSox17
10-20-2008, 07:39 PM
Well at least we know it's a coaching problem with Dorsey.

Well someone better get to him quickly. Bad habits are bad to break.

Bruce Banner
10-20-2008, 07:39 PM
Well someone better get to him quickly. Bad habits are bad to break.

No doubt. Players are made or broken in this stage.

P-L
10-20-2008, 07:45 PM
Gosder Cherilus hasn't done anything since finally getting the RT job a couple weeks ago. I wouldn't say he's been bad, but he certainly hasn't been good either.

Jordan Dizon is a bust. No, it's not too early to call him that. He got a limited amount of playing time early in the year and then was pulled from the linebacker rotation. The guy can't even get occasional snaps at either middle or strong side linebacker, where Paris Lenon and Alex Lewis are the starters.

Kevin Smith has started slow but really come on in recent weeks. It's too early to tell if he's the future at running back but I like what I've seen the past few weeks.

BeerBaron
10-20-2008, 07:51 PM
Gosder Cherilus hasn't done anything since finally getting the RT job a couple weeks ago. I wouldn't say he's been bad, but he certainly hasn't been good either.

Jordan Dizon is a bust. No, it's not too early to call him that. He got a limited amount of playing time early in the year and then was pulled from the linebacker rotation. The guy can't even get occasional snaps at either middle or strong side linebacker, where Paris Lenon and Alex Lewis are the starters.

Kevin Smith has started slow but really come on in recent weeks. It's too early to tell if he's the future at running back but I like what I've seen the past few weeks.

Seems about right for a Matt Millen draft class. I to this day think they made a mistake going Dizon over Dan Connor. "Connor doesn't fit the system" blah blah blah.....you would have gotten a smart, team leader and solid tackler. More than Dizon atm....

Go_Eagles77
10-20-2008, 07:59 PM
Yeah there was nothing about Jordan Dizon that interested me at all and I'm not surprised he's been terrible.