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DMWSackMachine
10-05-2008, 09:43 PM
I know this was actually a team weakness last season, and I know that Cutler does a solid job of getting the ball out (but its not like he's Drew Brees, so that ain't it), but what is up with these guys? 2 sacks in 5 games? Really? And against some fairly good pass rushing teams (TB, SD, Oak, NO).

Is Clady dominating? I know they replaced at least two starters, maybe more. But could someone who knows better than me come in here and elaborate? Are they really that good in pass pro, or is it a weird convergence of events; a statistical anomaly that will soon correct itself? I've been keeping tabs since week 3, just to see, and they didn't allow a sack again today. All this with a ZBS that is supposed to be weak against the pass rush.

A little illumination would be appreciated.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-05-2008, 09:48 PM
I haven't had the chance to watch any games besides Oakland. But from what I gather, Clady has been dominant, and.. I don't really know because that can't be all of it. I guess njx will tell you it's that Pears is gone but IDK. I watched Ryan Harris in the preseason and he was awful. I heard tonight Cutler is the least contacted QB in the league.

keylime_5
10-05-2008, 09:54 PM
Shanahan is a pretty good coach and olinemen always play great for him despite usually not doing anything for other teams. That might have something to do with it.

zCaddyz
10-05-2008, 10:39 PM
i dont know but,i know that you guys where holding adams the whole game

Cunningham
10-05-2008, 11:14 PM
to answer the original question, there's been many reasons why this line has performed much better in comparison to last years line. it all starts with the addition of clady who's been great in all aspects of the game. he's done a much better job of anchoring the line than lepsis did last season at the tackle position. casey wiegman has turned out to be one of the more underrated offseason signings that we've made in quite some time. he became the starting center when nalen went down early in training camp and has really helped solidify the interior of the line. ben hamilton, the starting left guard, is back and healthy after missing all of last season due to concussion symptoms. ryan harris has made a nice bounce back from a disappointing training camp and chris kuper has done well despite playing with a broken hand.

also, like the op mentioned, cutler helps his cause with his escapability and quick release.

i dont know but,i know that you guys where holding adams the whole game
the broncos were holding adams as much as the bucs were holding dumervil.

Chucky
10-05-2008, 11:17 PM
the bucs go called for holding him though. The broncos did not

Cunningham
10-05-2008, 11:24 PM
the bucs go called for holding him though. The broncos did not
they each got called once for holding. the bucs had a few false starts in addition to their holding penalty.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 11:27 PM
Based on what I've seen, the league quit calling offensive holding.

SenorGato
10-05-2008, 11:29 PM
Jay Cutler is just that good?

MarioPalmer
10-05-2008, 11:34 PM
Ryan Clady is one of the most technically sound pass defenders I have seen in a long time. Great thing about it is that he is young as well and will only get better with a full NFL offseason training and conditioning program. I love him and I thkn that once a team finds itself an elite OLT that solidfies the entire offensive line. Clady will be a top tier LT by his thrid year baring any severe injury. He really is that good and I think once you get yourself a top shelf LT everything else falls in place.

CT Bronco Fan
10-05-2008, 11:37 PM
Really a whole combination of things about the Broncos O-line that is improved this year. It's actually quite surprising, when you consider the entire line is different from last year, weather it be new players, or position changes. Last year the line consisted of Lepsis, Kuper, Nalen, Holland, Pears. This years line is Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper, Harris.

It's nothing but shocking that the completely new unit has been able to perform at this high of a level so far this year. A lot of Bronco fans, including myself, thought the O-line was going to be the weakness of the team, however so far this year it may be one of the strengths.

I've watched every game so far, and Clady really is dominating out there. If O-linemen got recognition, it wouldn't be too off-base to call him the rookie of the year so far.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 11:42 PM
the bucs go called for holding him though. The broncos did not

Gaines Adams is held more than any other DE in the league, I'm sure of it. Remember the Saints game when he was tackled by J. Brown?

CT Bronco Fan
10-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Gaines Adams is held more than any other DE in the league, I'm sure of it. Remember the Saints game when he was tackled by J. Brown?

Elvis Dumervil has something to say about that.

Bruce Banner
10-05-2008, 11:52 PM
Elvis Dumervil has something to say about that.

As does Abraham, M. Williams, Freeney, and every other DE.

When you are looking for something every down, you're bound to see it a lot.

CT Bronco Fan
10-05-2008, 11:58 PM
As does Abraham, M. Williams, Freeney, and every other DE.

When you are looking for something every down, you're bound to see it a lot.

Would be pretty interesting if they actually had a stat called : Was Held, but not called. =)

Bruce Banner
10-06-2008, 12:01 AM
Would be pretty interesting if they actually had a stat called : Was Held, but not called. =)

It would be ridiculously high. Gotta protect their golden boys.

DMWSackMachine
10-06-2008, 12:38 AM
Actually, Bill Polian was on NFLN the other day talking about this. The host (whose name, oddly enough, was Randy Moss...lmfao) asked him if the league is seeing a shift towards smaller and faster defenders, especially in regards to defensive lineman, obviously in reference to Mathis and Freeney for the Colts, among a host of others league-wide. Polian surprised me with his answer. He said that we may have already seen the trend come and go, and that he believes that the pendulum is already swinging back the other way towards bigger, stronger guys. He cited the league trends in regard to holding as a major reason for this, and stated that it is basically only called on extreme violations.

I thought that was an unbelievably candid piece of commentary from a guy that is way up there in the NFL hierarchy. I mean, iirc, isn't the dude part of the competition committee? Very interesting stuff, imo.

Dam8610
10-06-2008, 11:37 AM
Based on what I've seen, the league quit calling offensive holding.

As denoted by the newly effective and highly popularized "Dwight Freeney Headlock Block".

Bruce Banner
10-06-2008, 11:38 AM
As denoted by the newly effective and highly popularized "Dwight Freeney Headlock Block".

Well the bugger is short so all they can grab is his head!

Dam8610
10-06-2008, 11:43 AM
Well the bugger is short so all they can grab is his head!

Just because he can get great leverage doesn't mean that the opposing LT should be allowed to hold him back by his head. The NFL is always talking about protecting the players, which is a good idea, but if they're going to do it, they should do it for every player, not just QBs and WRs.

and yes, I know that was a joke, I'm just upset over it since it's prevented him from making quite a few plays this season.

Dam8610
10-06-2008, 11:47 AM
Actually, Bill Polian was on NFLN the other day talking about this. The host (whose name, oddly enough, was Randy Moss...lmfao) asked him if the league is seeing a shift towards smaller and faster defenders, especially in regards to defensive lineman, obviously in reference to Mathis and Freeney for the Colts, among a host of others league-wide. Polian surprised me with his answer. He said that we may have already seen the trend come and go, and that he believes that the pendulum is already swinging back the other way towards bigger, stronger guys. He cited the league trends in regard to holding as a major reason for this, and stated that it is basically only called on extreme violations.

I thought that was an unbelievably candid piece of commentary from a guy that is way up there in the NFL hierarchy. I mean, iirc, isn't the dude part of the competition committee? Very interesting stuff, imo.

You'd be surprised how often Polian criticizes NFL officiating, it happens basically any time he makes a media appearance. Go to colts.com and listen to his radio show, it's a very common occurrence for him to talk about the officiating (or lack thereof) and its negative effect on the games at times.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2008, 11:58 AM
a lot of times, a good qb can make his pass protection look better than it really is. contrarily a poor qb will make it look worse.

I think its a combination of health, Clady, and Cutler. Also the emergence of some quality playmakers makes it more difficult to blitz often against the Broncos.

SuperKevin
10-06-2008, 12:02 PM
The low sack totals have more to do with Cutler and the playcallign then it does with the OL. The Broncos are running a ton of quick slants and short routes. Also Jay Cutler seems to be one of the few QBs in the league that realize it's better to throw the ball away then take a sack.

ShutDwn
10-06-2008, 12:44 PM
The Broncos call a lot of boots legs and have so many play actions. Thus the defensive line can't just spot rush him, and they also have to stay disciplined against the run. Then you add that they have a good offensive line.

Good line + Playaction + never knowing where Cutler is going to be throwing from = not many sacks

Cutler is also pretty good with his feet.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2008, 12:44 PM
The low sack totals have more to do with Cutler and the playcallign then it does with the OL. The Broncos are running a ton of quick slants and short routes. Also Jay Cutler seems to be one of the few QBs in the league that realize it's better to throw the ball away then take a sack.

thats also true. 3 step drops and bootlegs definitely help out with pass protection issues.

theres also a misconception about the ZBS. that is is poor in terms of pass protection. thats not true. thats the case if you get average caliber ZBS players like the Broncos tend to do in the middle rounds.

if you get quality guys, the protection will be quality. Clady is a perfect example of this, a great fit for the ZBS, and also a high investment.

illmatic74
10-06-2008, 12:46 PM
The rollouts and Cutler's quick release.

Diehard
10-06-2008, 12:49 PM
I watched Ryan Harris in the preseason and he was awful. I heard tonight Cutler is the least contacted QB in the league.

Ryan Harris was bad at the start of the preseason, but he pretty much sat his whole rookie year so the rust wasn't unexpected. The fact is, by opening day he was ready to go and playing well... giving us upgrades at both tackle spots. Both Clady and Harris were perceived to be stronger pass protectors than run blockers when they came out of college, and based on what I've seen so far that appears to be the case.

Upgraded OL + Cutler's release + playcalling + good WR play (making blitzing less appealing) = few sacks

awfullyquiet
10-06-2008, 12:49 PM
Shanny.

Shanny trumps any logic sometimes.

Denver Bronco99
10-07-2008, 04:59 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Rookie+of+the+Year+Meter/2008/rookie05.htm


Has this been posted yet? Some flattering words for Clady:

By Matt Sohn
Oct. 7, 2008

A record eight offensive tackles were snagged in the first round last April, and seven of them honed their skills in one of the NCAA’s so-called “power conferences.” Led by Michigan’s Jake Long, the two-time Big Ten Lineman of the Year, the first 31 picks included Chris Williams (Vanderbilt), Branden Albert (Virginia), Gosder Cherilus (Boston College), Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) and Duane Brown (Virginia Tech). So naturally, it has been the lone non-BCS representative that has emerged as the class of the first-round linemen.

On the one hand, the notion that Boise State’s Ryan Clady has surpassed all of his first-round brethren shouldn’t be classified as a major shock. After all, only Long was selected ahead of him. Nevertheless, there was perhaps more uncertainty regarding Clady than any of the others. Not only did he spend his collegiate career beating up on WAC opponents, there were also questions about his maturity. Then, when bench-pressing at the Indianapolis Scouting Combine, he suffered a pectoral injury that rendered him not much more than a Hulk-sized observer for most of the week in Indianapolis.

Thus far, he has quelled all concerns, emphatically. As outstanding as Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall have been, a case could be made that Clady has been the best and most consistent cog in an offense racking up 415 yards per game. Maybe it’s the athleticism, maybe it’s the coaching, or maybe it’s the comfort that comes from being a Bronco during his collegiate career. Point is, he’s just getting it done.

Clady still hasn’t allowed a sack, and hasn’t so much as ticked his way to a false start — the next ball of yellow laundry thrown his way will be the first. Should he keep up his play, we could be seeing a rookie tackle strapping it up in Honolulu for the second consecutive season (Browns OLT Joe Thomas did the trick last year).

2. Broncos OT Ryan Clady (1-12)
Last week’s ranking: 5
If there was a Lineman of the Week award (which, given how oversaturated the NFL’s “award” list is, you figure there would be), Clady would’ve been a strong candidate for the weekend that was. Clady stonewalled Bucs 2007 top-five pick Gaines Adams throughout the afternoon, enabling the Broncos to do just enough in a surprisingly low-scoring victory.

Brent
10-07-2008, 05:03 PM
Like I said when they took Clady: that scheme is great, it can turn average linemen into good ones and really good linemen into great ones.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-07-2008, 05:37 PM
I don't think the scheme really helps with pass blocking though. As far as I know, pass blocking is mostly the same no matter what scheme you're in(from a LT perspective, obviously it changes on the interior), it's all the same fundamentals. I think this has nothing to do with the system.

giantsfan
10-07-2008, 05:58 PM
I don't think the scheme really helps with pass blocking though. As far as I know, pass blocking is mostly the same no matter what scheme you're in(from a LT perspective, obviously it changes on the interior), it's all the same fundamentals. I think this has nothing to do with the system.

Clady was going to be a beast as a pass blocker, it was his run blocking that was the only issue I had with him as a prospect and that scheme does a great job covering lineman who lack the drive and overwhelming size/power for a power running scheme.

Xonraider
10-07-2008, 06:46 PM
Based on what I've seen, the league quit calling offensive holding.

Well, back when I played in middle school, we had a LT (who covered my blind side) who was 130 pounds (max weight being 160) and he faced a lot of good defensive ends who were 155-160 and ran 4.9's and 5.0's (keep in mind the fastest guy was 4.8) and he won lineman of the year. When I asked him how in the worl he only allowed for me to be sacked once he said to me that the very first pass we threw I was sacked. Then he started holding a lot and got called for it.. then by the 2nd game he was a master at holding, no one saw him, only visible in the video session. But by the end of the year, he learned how to use his feet and hands properly and pass block without holding. Now he is still light, playing HS Varsity, and is a very good Tackle for his team.

Its all about making it as least visible as possible.

SuperKevin
10-07-2008, 07:52 PM
Didn't Marcus McNeill make the Pro Bowl as a rookie also? Wouldn't that make it 3 straight years instead of two?

DMWSackMachine
10-08-2008, 02:49 AM
Yeah, he did.

d34ng3l021
10-08-2008, 03:37 AM
Back when the Falcons might have been picking at spot 5 (thank for for winning that coin flip. we might not have ryan otherwise) I was down for taking Clady. I realized it was quite a reach, but I loved his tool set coming out of the draft. Quick feet, long arms.

He is what D'brick should be.