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Geo
10-14-2008, 03:02 PM
Just broke it right now on NFLN.

Says it's at least a first round pick, maybe another draft pick too.

Discuss.

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2008, 03:03 PM
Holy ****.

Bengals1690
10-14-2008, 03:03 PM
o man o man.


TO and Roy? geez

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:04 PM
This is why I hated the TO extension, because I always felt they should sign Williams instead.

I wonder how much of him finally becoming an irritant pushed for this.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 03:04 PM
I must see it to believe it, but if the Lions were able to get a first rounder, good job for them. It's not like this team was going anywhere with them. Now if they would only trade the Skins Calvin Johnson..... But yeah RoyWill and TO would be nasty. Now Dallas can have a Roy Williams who actually makes the team better when he's on the field.

DiG
10-14-2008, 03:04 PM
Interesting. Very Interesting. Now the Lions have even more chance of getting the #1 overall pick.

Brodeur
10-14-2008, 03:05 PM
Hopefully it's at least a first rounder. And I've been waiting for this to happen since April so I can't say I'm sad.

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2008, 03:06 PM
I guess I can start Calvin Johnson in my fantasy league now without worrying if Roy Williams will steal some catches.

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:06 PM
If this is a move Detroit was able to make, because Millen was gone, than double bonus for finally canning that loser.

Asking for Demarcus Ware, lol.

Im_a_Romosexual
10-14-2008, 03:06 PM
Can he play DB for a few weeks? :P

It'll be good to have him once Romo gets back :)

and some good news about the Cowboys, too.

Tampa 2 4 life
10-14-2008, 03:06 PM
Whoo boy, TO is gonna be Puh-issed.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 03:07 PM
I guess I can start Calvin Johnson in my fantasy league now without worrying if Roy Williams will steal some catches.

Hah Williams wasn't stealing catches anyways. Calvin still won't put up consistent numbers with friggin Drew Stanton throwing to him.

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:07 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/cowboys-acquire-wr-williams-from-detroit/

Schefter's blog for those wanting a link, details to come.

Im_a_Romosexual
10-14-2008, 03:07 PM
I think TO will welcome it, less double coverge with the good RW on the other side

AntoinCD
10-14-2008, 03:08 PM
I just hope for the Lions sake their new GM is better at drafting than Matt Millen. I definitely see them go OT first and then DE with their second 1st.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 03:09 PM
I question though because the Cowboys are a top 5 offense already, if it would have been smarter to target a DB.

drowe
10-14-2008, 03:09 PM
wow. i hate all the media coverage the Cowboys get, but with the injuries and suspensions and now THIS, i think this team is gonna be very very interesting to watch.

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2008, 03:09 PM
I question though because the Cowboys are a top 5 offense already, if it would have been smarter to target a DB.

Lito Sheppard? lol

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Re: the Lions, I'd go QB (Stafford) first and then DE (whoever remains of Selvie/Orakpo/Hardy/Johnson) second. Then OT in the 2nd.

kwilk103
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
2009 and 2010 2nd rounders

Bengals1690
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
2 second rounders, in 09 and in 2010

AlexDown
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Two second rounders was just said on ESPN

EDIT: Beat badly!

Tampa 2 4 life
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
per Ed Werder:

2009 2nd
2010 2nd

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Ed Werder on NFL Live just said they got Roy Williams for 09 and 2010 second rounders.

Hines
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I think this is a great trade for the Lions actually. They are in dire need of a lot of help. If they get a first rounder, they can use their two firsts to help them.

Paul
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Whoa. Werder said we got him for a 2nd rounder in 09 and '10.

AntoinCD
10-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I question though because the Cowboys are a top 5 offense already, if it would have been smarter to target a DB.

The only DB with any chance of being traded was probably Lito Sheppard and I don't think the Cowboys would give up too much for him

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Two 2nds is still great. I thought he might go for a 2nd.

Schefter just said he knows a first round pick is involved. Conditional provisions?

DeathbyStat
10-14-2008, 03:11 PM
........Link?

Bengals1690
10-14-2008, 03:12 PM
its fair value, actually.

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2008, 03:12 PM
I love how like 8 people posted the Ed Werder news at the same time.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 03:13 PM
2 second rounders. Are they ****ing ********??? But honestly, does this really make the Cowboys that much better? There defense is what really needs the help more than the offense.

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Detroit just lost Kitna and Roy Williams today? An even easier win in the division, yay.

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Two 2nds is still great. I thought he might go for a 2nd.

Schefter just said he knows a first round pick is involved. Conditional provisions?
Superbowl clause?

The Dynasty
10-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Schefter said 1st, 3rd and 6th for Roy Willaims

Live on Team Cam on NFLN

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Per Schefter:

1st round pick
3rd round pick
6th round pick

Tony Gonzalez not traded, surprise surprise, Carl Peterson didn't budge from a 3rd round asking price and didn't get anything done.

Flyboy
10-14-2008, 03:16 PM
Omg Who Is Telling The Truth?!?!

Hines
10-14-2008, 03:16 PM
Per Schefter:

1st round pick
3rd round pick
6th round pick

If that is the case, the Lions got a great deal IMO.

Number 10
10-14-2008, 03:16 PM
Cowboys could already score plenty of points. That wasn't the problem.

If they make it to the playoffs and get a win or more, it will be on the defense.

The Dynasty
10-14-2008, 03:17 PM
I trust Adam Schefter over anyone. He has been pretty good on telling people the news. So I say the Lions just got 3rd Picks for Roy Williams

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Werder can take a long walk off a short pier imo.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Per Schefter:

1st round pick
3rd round pick
6th round pick

Tony Gonzalez not traded, surprise surprise, Carl Peterson didn't budge from a 3rd round asking price and didn't get anything done.

The Lions might've taken the Cowboys to the bank.

If this is true, then don't the Cowboys only have a 2nd, 4th and 7th round pick this draft?

AntoinCD
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
If Schefter is right its a bad deal for the Cowboys. Thats far too much to give up

soybean
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
i really don't understand this move. Dallas didn't need a wide out to make them better. Miles austin was showing A LOT of potential, then you got patrick crayton, and not to mention jason witten.

they could've used that pick to shore up their porous secondary who REPEATEDLY gets burnt.

princefielder28
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
Props to the Lions management....did I just say that?

brat316
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
I heard on NFL Live that it was 1st 3rd and 6th

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:20 PM
I would think the cowboys have a lot of money wrapped up. Can the cowboys afford to pay him this off season? If the cowbys gave up a 1st 3rd and a 6th the Lions did a real nice job.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 03:20 PM
The ex-Matt Millen Era has begun!!!!!!!

Im_a_Romosexual
10-14-2008, 03:20 PM
The Lions might've taken the Cowboys to the bank.

If this is true, then don't the Cowboys only have a 2nd, 4th and 7th round pick this draft?

we had two thirds and fourths and also a 5th and and extra 6th, I think
So: 2/3/4/5/6/7

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 03:21 PM
I would think the cowboys have a lot of money wrapped up. Can the cowboys afford to pay him this off season? If the cowbys gave up a 1st 3rd and a 6th the Lions did a real nice job.

Jerry Jones have put all of his money on the hope that there is no CB agreement meant in a couple years.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 03:21 PM
we had two thirds and fourths and also a 5th, I think
So: 2/3/4/5/7

What about the 5th traded for Pacman? Also, why 2 thirds and 2 fourths?

familyguy555
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
HA we ripped of the COWBOYS??

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
Props to the Lions management....did I just say that?
Hey, Moron Millen is gone. Anyone else has to be less inept.

I heard on NFL Live that it was 1st 3rd and 6th
So loser Werder and ESPN in general was wrong, while someone else got it right. Surprise.

Paul
10-14-2008, 03:22 PM
The Lions might've taken the Cowboys to the bank.

If this is true, then don't the Cowboys only have a 2nd, 4th and 7th round pick this draft?

We actually have healthy among of picks this year thanks to all those trades Jerry did lats April. Fixed Picks before this trade:

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Plus we may get a 5th rounder from Tennessee for Pac Man messing up.

Go_Eagles77
10-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Um yeah this sucks.

The Dynasty
10-14-2008, 03:25 PM
What about the 5th traded for Pacman? Also, why 2 thirds and 2 fourths?

Cleveland to Dallas. The Cleveland Browns traded their third-round selection in 2009 to the Dallas Cowboys for Dallas' fourth-round selection in 2008 (used to select Martin Rucker).

Detroit to Dallas. The Detroit Lions traded their fourth-round selection in 2009 to Dallas as part of a trade for Dallas' 2008 third-round selection (used to select Cliff Avril)

Miami to Dallas. Miami traded its sixth-round selection to Dallas in the Jason Ferguson trade.

Dallas to Tennessee. The Dallas Cowboys traded their sixth-round selection to Tennessee in the Pacman Jones trade.


Thats all i could find about Dallas and receiving picks for 2009 draft.

Jughead10
10-14-2008, 03:25 PM
This is a good long term move for the Cowboys. As for this year we'll see. They still have to overcome missing Romo and having no secodary for a month.

Mr. Stiller
10-14-2008, 03:26 PM
What about the 5th traded for Pacman? Also, why 2 thirds and 2 fourths?

I believe the Browns gave them an '09 3rd when trading up for the Mizzou TE whose name is escaping me right now.

Giantsfan1080
10-14-2008, 03:26 PM
How long untill T.O. is pissed Roy Williams is getting the ball possibly more than he is?

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
I think Jones is really worried his team might not make the playoffs, as well he should be imo.

He's probably hoping Williams can get comfortable enough in the offense these next four weeks so that when Romo comes back healthy, the team makes a major second-half push to earn a playoff berth.

wingboy2999
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
Come in 1st 3rd and 6th. Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Either way it is more then anyone thought we'd get. Take THAT naysayers.

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
How long untill T.O. is pissed Roy Williams is getting the ball possibly more than he is?
Screw that psychotic cancer, Williams is the future. Romo to Roy.

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Jerry Jones have put all of his money on the hope that there is no CB agreement meant in a couple years.
I'll laugh in the future when it comes back to haunt them.


To get pissed because he won't get the rock? Wasn't Roy already beginning to play second fiddle to Clavin in Detroit? TO will continue to get fed, Maybe more now because teams cannot focus on him so much.

wingboy2999
10-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Maybe Roy can become fantasy relevant now.

Hines
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Like I said, this trade is a great oppertunity for the Lions to build a good team. They have pieces, just bad pieces at key positions.

The two firsts help them. If they get the top pick, I think they would go with a Qb. With the other pick, I dont know where they would go.

AntoinCD
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Maybe Roy can become fantasy relevant now.

Not for about 4 weeks

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
If 1/3/6 then way too much for Roy Williams.

Will help some but to everyone's point WR talent was not a problem.

NT Talent. MLB Talent.

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Schefter also adds that Detroit will be sending a 7th round pick to Dallas (the link I posted earlier is updated).

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:36 PM
Also, Great I can't watch ESPN for at leased couple weeks now,

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 03:37 PM
Oh. My. God.

awfullyquiet
10-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Jerry Jones have put all of his money on the hope that there is no CB agreement meant in a couple years.

It'd seem so.

That's a scary though on what MAY happen to the boys if there is a CBA.

wingboy2999
10-14-2008, 03:41 PM
ESPN is full of stubborn idiots.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 03:43 PM
ESPN is full of stubborn idiots.

We can only hope so . . . we need that 1st rounder.

wingboy2999
10-14-2008, 03:47 PM
C'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 03:48 PM
My team has lost its mind.

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wingboy2999
10-14-2008, 03:49 PM
Hire Floyd!!!! Hire Floyd!!!!

sweetness34
10-14-2008, 03:49 PM
How the **** can they afford all these guys? Unless Roy is on his last year of his contract or something.

I hate Dallas, I really, really do. Adding another selfish head case to that team may not be a great idea though.

Number 10
10-14-2008, 03:49 PM
So Romo and Williams likely won't play with each other for another 3-4 weeks.

Does Jones believe the chemistry will be there right off the bat?

Prowler
10-14-2008, 03:50 PM
awesome, simply awesome. this made my day. why pay roy franchise money when we are rebuilding and need the premier draft picks at other positions of need.

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 03:50 PM
Also, the Cowboys game up a 1st 3rd and 6th for a guy they could have likely had for only a contract they will have to give him this off season anywyas? Ha, Jerry must REALLY want that title this year. And he just invested all this when the "wheels are supposedly falling off the bus all the way to Arlington?" Risky business mutant neck, risky business.

With that said, in perspective Dallas is loaded with talent, this bold move could work out.

Staubach12
10-14-2008, 03:52 PM
Yes! I'm So Pumped!

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:52 PM
That's a scary though on what MAY happen to the boys if there is a CBA.
I think it will be possible for the Cowboys to sign both Ware and Williams long-term.

I suspect TO will be cut either after this season or after next season, though Jones should have never signed him to a new deal to begin with imo (okay I'll stop harping). For him to see a 7M base salary in '10 or 7.5M in '11, might be unlikely. That is money that could go to Williams.

sweetness34
10-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Yes! I'm So Pumped!

Why? You just added another selfish player who wants the ball on your team. You also didn't improve your porous pass defense either.

ChezPower4
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Good move for the Lions IMO when you think that their going to have a new GM and start to rebuild the team two first round picks is a good way to start.

Geo
10-14-2008, 03:59 PM
Also, the Cowboys game up a 1st 3rd and 6th for a guy they could have likely had for only a contract they will have to give him this off season anywyas? Ha, Jerry must REALLY want that title this year. And he just invested all this when the "wheels are supposedly falling off the bus all the way to Arlington?" Risky business mutant neck, risky business.

With that said, in perspective Dallas is loaded with talent, this bold move could work out.
I've questioned Jones' personnel decisions all this offseason.

The big money deals he's given out, including to some older players (and I'm not saying all of those shouldn't have been done). Extending TO when he had one year remaining on his contract. Investing too much at the RB position.

I don't discount that Jones could have planned to get Williams all along, although it might have originally been thought to occur this summer (either as a FA or a pre-Draft trade). I think Williams can work well with Romo.

MaxV
10-14-2008, 04:00 PM
Good deal for Detroit, I suspect Roy wasn't going to stay there for much longer.

These picks may help them rebuild, if USED PROPERLY!

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 04:00 PM
This is a nice move long-term, but I don't see it for this year. Roy is a talent, but not a great player by any stretch. The dude only has one year of above average production in his entire career, and has had a history of odd incidents and behavior. I just don't like this.

Not only that, but you get fleeced by giving up a 1st AND a 3rd? I just don't see the logic here. This adds another me-first guy to an already unstable mixture of players who seem ready to implode. The last thing we need is another guy complaining about touches because he only sees the ball twice a game. WTF.

Shane P. Hallam
10-14-2008, 04:01 PM
Wow. Nice deal for the Lions, and if this keeps the Cowboys offense afloat while Romo is out and propel them to the Super Bowl, it could be worth it for them as well.

Geo
10-14-2008, 04:01 PM
Why? You just added another selfish player who wants the ball on your team.
Williams isn't that selfish, if anything he's been pretty restrained in his time in Detroit dealing with some horrid quarterback play ... however he should get the ball, he's a talent.

Not like a product of other players like that punk Patrick Crayton. Step aside for a real top-notch receiver, scrub.

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 04:01 PM
My team has lost its mind.

<\3

We have the best all star collection of talent ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Football Team, not so sure.

Would have been nice to see if Austin could have developed. Has been making some big plays lately.

But Jones can't help himself. Like serving beers at AA.

TitleTown088
10-14-2008, 04:03 PM
This is a nice move long-term, but I don't see it for this year. .
You just gave up two first day picks and a later for a player that is going to Play now. How Is it not the opposite? I realize that Roy will be a good player there for awhile if they resign him and a replacement or whatever, but there is defiantly some mortgaging of the future here.

thule
10-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Bringing a Texas guy back home. A lot of cowboys fans aren't going to like this move...but this is what Jerry felt had to be done to be a legit Superbowl team. Now maybe it is overkill...but Romo has been locking onto TO and Witten the past couple of weeks...hell this puts Crayton back in the slot and keeps TO happy.

Think about this...the redskins showed the whole NFL how to shut down TO on the cowboys. Now are defenses really going to slide coverage his way every game?

Cowboys fans have to remember this is huge for defenses to gameplan against...we aren't talking about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin as #2 options...we are talking about Roy Williams. This trade was done more for TO I think than anyone.

And as far as the picks go...Dallas has a ton of midround picks. In my mind they gave up a 1st for him...and moving down on the second day last year pay its dividends now.

Huge pickup for Terrell Owens. Probably not a happier man in dallas...except maybe Jason Witten.

Geo
10-14-2008, 04:06 PM
Let's not forget that Williams is still in a contract year. He's out of the mess that the Lions are and will want to shine in Dallas, he's probably the happiest of anyone.

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 04:07 PM
I've questioned Jones' personnel decisions all this offseason.

Just this offseason? This guy has no impulse control and no idea how to build a team.

I love Roy, I'd love him more if I thought Jones was giving TO a short leash but fact is Jones loves TO too much and has too much invested in him to let go if TO goes nuts.

So now we have an All Star receiving corps with one football, a broken QB and noodle arm Johnson. The D still lack talent up the middle. Have not found a decent SS, NT or MLB.

Fact is we had a guy developing into a two WR who was low key, not demanding and had talent (Austin). He made a few plays this year with very very very few opportunities. Not a finsihed product but still good enuff for an already talented Offense.

Crayton could have easily been made the #3 or even replaced by Hurd (before injury) but Jones threw money at Crayton last year before his recent downward spiral in his play (dropsies last 7-8 games). Now we are way over loaded at WR -- Detroit South!!

Stanback, Austin, Hurd, Crayton, TO, Roy Williams, Witten, Bennett, Curtis -- all pretty damn good players for their role or very talented.

The guy is like Richie Rich and he buys the shiniest object in the store whenever he can. The Steinbrenner of Football. I can't see a SB win with this move as it stands.

But it will be fun to see on Sunday.

Brent
10-14-2008, 04:08 PM
This makes me sick. I hate living in Texas.

Geo
10-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Have not found a decent SS, NT or MLB.
What's wrong with Ratliff? I really like that guy, he's played well this season from what I've seen. Wish I could add him to the Colts.

badgerbacker
10-14-2008, 04:11 PM
How long until Roy Williams predicts the Cowboys are going to average 80 points?

Also, a key everybody is missing: Dallas now has Roy Williams...and Roy Williams. Tony Kornheiser is going to have a field day with two people with the same name on the same team.

Geo
10-14-2008, 04:11 PM
One of them scores touchdown passes, the other gives up touchdown passes, lol.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 04:11 PM
Now the Cowboys will have TWO High-Profile Wide Receivers dropping three passes per game.

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 04:12 PM
What's wrong with Ratliff? I really like that guy, he's played well this season from what I've seen. Wish I could add him to the Colts.

Ratliff is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! I love Ratliff. He is a better DE though for the 3-4.

I was one of the fannies clamoring for Shaun Rogers or Kris Jenkins to shore up the position..... or to patiently develop a real NT via draft. Neither happened and we signed a 4-3 NT like Tank.

Modano
10-14-2008, 04:14 PM
Now I can put Roy Williams back in the lineup in my fantasy league :)

awfullyquiet
10-14-2008, 04:18 PM
Now I can put Roy Williams back in the lineup in my fantasy league :)

I wouldn't do that yet.

Brad Johnson = No Bene

MidwayMonster31
10-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Terrific deal for the Lions. They were going to lose him anyway at the end of the year. But now they get more picks, including a first round pick, in which to rebuild their team. This was the first good thing to happen since Millen got fired.
For the Cowboys, this is a huge stretch for them. They caught a few breaks with the Giants and Redskins losing to inferior teams, but now with their injuries, they cannot afford to fall behind in October and November. They have played badly in December for the last two years. Williams, gives them another weapon for the offense, let's see what happens when he is on a team that wins.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Now I can put Roy Williams back in the lineup in my fantasy league :)

Not for 5 or 6 weeks though.

Geo
10-14-2008, 04:21 PM
Terrific deal for the Lions. They were going to lose him anyway at the end of the year.
They would have likely franchised tagged him in the offseason.

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 04:23 PM
Think about this...the redskins showed the whole NFL how to shut down TO on the cowboys. Now are defenses really going to slide coverage his way every game?

Cowboys fans have to remember this is huge for defenses to gameplan against...we aren't talking about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin as #2 options...we are talking about Roy Williams. This trade was done more for TO I think than anyone........

Teams have been sliding coverage over TO since last year and same for Witten -- the failure has been in coaching and the QB to run plays for the other guys.

Look at Sundsay, Crayton and Austin were open most of the day, yet they were at best Romo's third read. Failure QB and OC. Yet when they get the ball, good things happened. Two TDs.

I know the spin in Dallas (and among certain fans) is Crayton can't get open and Austin is a poor route runner but frankly that is nonsense from a "get results" perspective. The real fact is the politics of the passing game has created a "Ball Hog" mentality with the QB/Point Guard having to feed certain players to the exclusion of others -- even when they have layups.

I agree Crayton is a better slot. I also think Austin is a credible #2 but you need to get them the ball when your two other "Stars" are double covered. Runnig a play for Crayton and Austin once per quarter is not a mortal sin.

Moot point now however, now Romo will need to throw lefty so he can throw two footballs simultaneously.

MidwayMonster31
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
They would have likely franchised tagged him in the offseason.If they did, that probably would have caused an ugly holdout, but you're right.

Modano
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
Not for 5 or 6 weeks though.

Nah I think he will do better than the 20 receiving yards he has been used to this year. Considering that my other WRs are injured (Boldin) or do not have a QB (Bowe)...

Brent
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
As, I believe wingboy said, "c'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"

I cant listen to anyone talk without this being the topic. Oh well, they still dont have a pass defense.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-14-2008, 04:36 PM
So what goes on his jersey? Roy Williams? Roy Middle Initial Williams? This will set a precedent for all future cases of people with the same name being on the same team.

awfullyquiet
10-14-2008, 04:39 PM
So what goes on his jersey? Roy Williams? Roy Middle Initial Williams? This will set a precedent for all future cases of people with the same name being on the same team.

It's Roy Ocho Uno Williams to you.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 04:40 PM
It's Roy Ocho Uno Williams to you.

Don't you mean Roy "Uno Uno" Williams?

T.O. is 81. Roy is 11.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 04:41 PM
So what goes on his jersey? Roy Williams? Roy Middle Initial Williams? This will set a precedent for all future cases of people with the same name being on the same team.


Just for the record, his full name is Roy Eugene Williams, Jr.

Go_Eagles77
10-14-2008, 04:44 PM
So what goes on his jersey? Roy Williams? Roy Middle Initial Williams? This will set a precedent for all future cases of people with the same name being on the same team.

The 49ers had 2 Michael Lewis' last year I believe, coincidentally a SS and WR as well, and I believe they both had either Lewis or M. Lewis on their jersey.

awfullyquiet
10-14-2008, 04:45 PM
Don't you mean Roy "Uno Uno" Williams?

T.O. is 81. Roy is 11.

... touche. i messed that one up.

it shouldn't matter as the other Roy Williams shouldn't be seen outside the locker room anyway.

Yatta!
10-14-2008, 04:46 PM
God Millen is gone for all of 5 minutes and suddenly the Lions are able to make good decisions. This sucks.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 04:47 PM
... touche. i messed that one up.

it shouldn't matter as the other Roy Williams shouldn't be seen outside the locker room anyway.

Maybe the two Roy Williams' will morph into one entity . . .

TheBuffaloBills
10-14-2008, 04:47 PM
This isnt thread worthy, but the Bills traded Jon Mccargo to the Colts. Its unknown what we got for him.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 04:51 PM
Jesus ************* christ, i leave for one day and **** like that happens

Go_Eagles77
10-14-2008, 04:52 PM
The cowboys go from 2 1st round picks in 08 to none in 09.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 04:55 PM
My team has lost its mind.

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Agreed...desperation will make you do some crazy things. I didnt want this.

Loggerhead
10-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Roy is a great talent but wtf is Jones doing giving up a 1st and a 3rd for a player who is in the last year of his contract. What a dumbass move. Especially when PACMAN just got suspended and Newman is out for a month. I know Philly and Dallas are division rivals but instead of a one year rental I would have traded for Lito Sheppard. Instead now you are playing two rookies at corner which is a huge gamble IMO.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 04:59 PM
I don't know why every Cowboy fan is freaking out. They also got a 7th round pick in the deal. That should even things out, right?

CC.SD
10-14-2008, 04:59 PM
Now the Cowboys will have an extremely explosive offense, and a mediocre defense!


Wait...



I do applaud the Lions; gotta start somewhere.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 05:00 PM
So, when was the last time that a 1st round pick was traded mid-season?

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:00 PM
Bringing a Texas guy back home. A lot of cowboys fans aren't going to like this move...but this is what Jerry felt had to be done to be a legit Superbowl team. Now maybe it is overkill...but Romo has been locking onto TO and Witten the past couple of weeks...hell this puts Crayton back in the slot and keeps TO happy.

Think about this...the redskins showed the whole NFL how to shut down TO on the cowboys. Now are defenses really going to slide coverage his way every game?

Cowboys fans have to remember this is huge for defenses to gameplan against...we aren't talking about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin as #2 options...we are talking about Roy Williams. This trade was done more for TO I think than anyone.

And as far as the picks go...Dallas has a ton of midround picks. In my mind they gave up a 1st for him...and moving down on the second day last year pay its dividends now.

Huge pickup for Terrell Owens. Probably not a happier man in dallas...except maybe Jason Witten.

That could actually be the complete opposite. T.O. is a selfish player, I love the guy but, that is the case and Witten was hesitant to re-sign w/ Dallas initially because, of his drop in production and use in the offense early in his career. I'll agree that it would work better than bringing in Ocho Cinco but, who knows how T.O. and Witten will take this. We just added another headcase, I'm not thrilled and we should all be a little wary.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 05:02 PM
I don't know why every Cowboy fan is freaking out. They also got a 7th round pick in the deal. That should even things out, right?
They could get someone awesome like Tyler Thigpen!

Twiddler
10-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Roy is a great talent but wtf is Jones doing giving up a 1st and a 3rd for a player who is in the last year of his contract. What a dumbass move. Especially when PACMAN just got suspended and Newman is out for a month. I know Philly and Dallas are division rivals but instead of a one year rental I would have traded for Lito Sheppard. Instead now you are playing two rookies at corner which is a huge gamble IMO.

I'm sure they will sign him long term, JJ just wouldn't give up this much for a player that would only be on the team for a year, that would be ridiculously stupid. Not that I am saying that this is a smart move. It's a great move for the Lions though.

Another thing. When this offense is healthy it will have Romo, TO, Barber, Felix, Witten, a very good line (at least in my opinion), and now Roy Williams. That is ridiculous. Jerry Jones knows that he has to play regular NFL teams, not Pro Bowl teams, right?

d34ng3l021
10-14-2008, 05:06 PM
Damn. They have so much talent...Its just spewing out everywhere.

CC.SD
10-14-2008, 05:08 PM
So, when was the last time that a 1st round pick was traded mid-season?

edit: nevermind, I was wrong I hate when that happens.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:09 PM
Yeah, that looks great on paper and all but, the whole problem w/ Dallas is that we're not much of a "team." Just a bunch of pro bowlers...and again, we didnt just add another great character guy. blah...just gonna have to sit back and see how it goes.

Saints-Tigers
10-14-2008, 05:11 PM
I'm interested to see how Brad Johnson spreads the ball around.. you would assume with a player like Brad Johnson, a dominant run blocking line, and a great running back tandem, you'd ease the pressure on Johnson by pounding the rock.

There might be a lot of pressure on Johnson to throw the ball down field though, and it could lead to a total meltdown of the team this year....

Then again, you can't double cover Witten, Owens, and Roy Williams, and they should get a lot of big plays, which always seems to take the sting out of getting the ball thrown to you less.

I think the Cowboys gave up too much, the Lions got a great deal, especially if the Cowboys sink and they end up just outside the playoffs.

Calvin Johnson will get every ball now, and rightfully so.

Twiddler
10-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Yeah, that looks great on paper and all but, the whole problem w/ Dallas is that we're not much of a "team." Just a bunch of pro bowlers...and again, we didnt just add another great character guy.

I know, but it still is a scary thought. Another thing that this does is it makes the level of letdown catastrophic if they somehow manage to not make the playoffs or lose a game right away in the playoffs. Not saying that expectations weren't high before, but this just puts them at unbelievable levels.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:14 PM
I'm interested to see how Brad Johnson spreads the ball around.. you would assume with a player like Brad Johnson, a dominant run blocking line, and a great running back tandem, you'd ease the pressure on Johnson by pounding the rock.

There might be a lot of pressure on Johnson to throw the ball down field though, and it could lead to a total meltdown of the team this year....

Then again, you can't double cover Witten, Owens, and Roy Williams, and they should get a lot of big plays, which always seems to take the sting out of getting the ball thrown to you less.

I think the Cowboys gave up too much, the Lions got a great deal, especially if the Cowboys sink and they end up just outside the playoffs.

Calvin Johnson will get every ball now, and rightfully so.

Brad wont have Felix while he's in there and Roy will be brought along slowly so, Brad wont see much benefit of having either.

thule
10-14-2008, 05:17 PM
That could actually be the complete opposite. T.O. is a selfish player, I love the guy but, that is the case and Witten was hesitant to re-sign w/ Dallas initially because, of his drop in production and use in the offense early in his career. I'll agree that it would work better than bringing in Ocho Cinco but, who knows how T.O. and Witten will take this. We just added another headcase, I'm not thrilled and we should all be a little wary.

Just saw on ESPN...that Jerry was talking to TO while the deal was getting done...to quote "TO was ecstatic"

Noone could be happier than TO right now.

thule
10-14-2008, 05:18 PM
Brad wont have Felix while he's in there and Roy will be brought along slowly so, Brad wont see much benefit of having either.

I still think with Roy on the field teams won't shift over the top coverage to TO every play. Using that logic...TO and Brad Johnson will both benefit statistically because of it.

bantx
10-14-2008, 05:19 PM
So no Chad Ocho Cinco to Dallas option? awwwwww i wanted to see awesome celebrations.

But TO n Roy williams is still going to be still fun to watch. Too bad we have watch Brad Johnson throwing to them the next few weeks.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Just saw on ESPN...that Jerry was talking to TO while the deal was getting done...to quote "TO was ecstatic"

Noone could be happier than TO right now.

I saw that too...honestly, how else would you expect him to respond when asked that question? Even if he hated the move, he wouldnt say so. Right now it's all good until they hit the field and see what exactly is going to happen with that football.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:26 PM
I still think with Roy on the field teams won't shift over the top coverage to TO every play. Using that logic...TO and Brad Johnson will both benefit statistically because of it.

It depends...Roy hasnt been a threat at all this year. He's dropping everything and has and can be handled w/ normal coverage schemes this season. I dont know if Brad will see a major benefit of it, now Romo on the other hand, should see improvement when he returns for sure. It's just more of a matter of how he's going to spread the ball around to the big 3 out there.

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 05:32 PM
I am sitting in my chair staring into space right now. I can only move my fingers. Where am I?

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 05:34 PM
I am sitting in my chair staring into space right now. I can only move my fingers. Where am I?
Purgatory?

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 05:34 PM
Well it's not like we didn't get back a 5th from the Titans already, and we already had a surplus of picks at the time...Sounds like now from JJ we are trying to resign Roy already and said we've been trying to trade for a few years.


What a day for Cowboy news.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:34 PM
Roy Williams is cloes to signing a contract extension w/ Dallas that will make him..."one of the highest paid WRs in the game."

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 05:35 PM
Roy Williams is cloes to signing a contract extension w/ Dallas that will make him..."one of the highest paid WRs in the game."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Good Riddance! I will never have to watch that moron signal for a first down after every catch or drop 5 passes a game ever again!

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 05:36 PM
Roy Williams is cloes to signing a contract extension w/ Dallas that will make him..."one of the highest paid WRs in the game."

That's like being kicked in the balls right after being castrated. I'm not sure if it hurts.

Geo
10-14-2008, 05:36 PM
That was the point of trading for him, to sign him long-term. He's going to replace TO as the #1 in Dallas, plus now he can't sign with the Eagles.

Go_Eagles77
10-14-2008, 05:36 PM
I will lmao if Roy gets a better contract than TO. I wonder what he would do.

CC.SD
10-14-2008, 05:37 PM
You guys are crazy if you think Dallas will sink its way out of the playoffs. It just won't happen. There's plenty of teams they can just steamroll still, unless the D really doesn't hold up.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 05:37 PM
I am sitting in my chair staring into space right now. I can only move my fingers. Where am I?
In the body of a Lions fan of the last 50 years

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:38 PM
That was the point of trading for him, to sign him long-term. He's going to replace TO as the #1 in Dallas, plus now he can't sign with the Eagles.

Well, we all know that. He wasnt going to be a rental but, how much is too much for him? Guy has been an overrated receiver for the last few years. His play has dropped off significantly.

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 05:39 PM
Honestly having Roy around should make TO be on his best behavior, I mean lets be honest, he can talk his way out of town then what? Does anyone pick him up, does he want to go through all that at this age, and he's got a good shot at a ring for another 2-3 years.


Also did anyone hear we offered Miles Austin and a 1st? Friend told me he heard it on espn radio I'm curious if anyone else heard something similiar.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:39 PM
You guys are crazy if you think Dallas will sink its way out of the playoffs. It just won't happen. There's plenty of teams they can just steamroll still, unless the D really doesn't hold up.

I still think we'll make the playoffs...I even thought we would without this trade. I def. liked the idea of us rallying behind Johnson and banding together than adding another headcase to the team, though. Hopefully, playing in Dallas will let him reach his full potential because, he hasnt been impressive in a long while.

johnstonolb
10-14-2008, 05:40 PM
Just saw on ESPN...that Jerry was talking to TO while the deal was getting done...to quote "TO was ecstatic"

Noone could be happier than TO right now.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice to see Jerry's Player Personnel guys where close by.

This is not an organization -- it is a collection of individuals all reporting directly to Jerry.

Chucky
10-14-2008, 05:40 PM
Honestly having Roy around should make TO be on his best behavior, I mean lets be honest, he can talk his way out of town then what? Does anyone pick him up, does he want to go through all that at this age, and he's got a good shot at a ring for another 2-3 years.


Also did anyone hear we offered Miles Austin and a 1st? Friend told me he heard it on espn radio I'm curious if anyone else heard something similiar.

No way a talent like him would not get picked up. If Pacman keeps getting opportunities then anyone can.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Honestly having Roy around should make TO be on his best behavior, I mean lets be honest, he can talk his way out of town then what? Does anyone pick him up, does he want to go through all that at this age, and he's got a good shot at a ring for another 2-3 years.


Also did anyone hear we offered Miles Austin and a 1st? Friend told me he heard it on espn radio I'm curious if anyone else heard something similiar.

I didnt hear anything about Miles being involved but, it wouldnt surprise me. Some said, we may offer Crayton to get it done. So much for the young receivers now. Miles is trapped as a 4th WR and Sam, now injured, is probably on the outs. :(

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Well, we all know that. He wasnt going to be a rental but, how much is too much for him? Guy has been an overrated receiver for the last few years. His play has dropped off significantly.

He still has top level talent, we made Crayton look pretty good here as our #2, I'm willing to give Roy a shot because I know he can be a dominant #1 WR which is good enough for me.


I can't wait for his contract to get signed so everyone can run in and say how much we over paid him like he wasn't going to get a bigger deal in Free Agency...Just watch.

BlindSite
10-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Its funny how Detroit fans hate Shaun Rogers and Dre Bly and now Roy Williams, the only decent players they've had for a decade.

CC.SD
10-14-2008, 05:43 PM
That's like being kicked in the balls right after being castrated. I'm not sure if it hurts.

Why so glum? Roy might clear up his dropsies now that he actually cares about the team he's playing for, and he's quite a talent. I'd be pumped to be a Cowboys fan right now. The future is for later.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 05:46 PM
Its funny how Detroit fans hate Shaun Rogers and Dre Bly and now Roy Williams, the only decent players they've had for a decade.
Calvin Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>> all

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 05:48 PM
Why so glum? Roy might clear up his dropsies now that he actually cares about the team he's playing for, and he's quite a talent. I'd be pumped to be a Cowboys fan right now. The future is for later.

You have to be wary...given the team's situation as it is. We have lots of egos and one football. We also have a bunch of WRs who love to drop that football. It could work, it certainly could but, there is also a pretty good chance that this could just make things worse. We're rather disfunctional and JJ just keeps adding pro bowl talent w/ out really caring about character or attitude. This isnt what I would exactly call a "team" yet.

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 05:49 PM
I didnt hear anything about Miles being involved but, it wouldnt surprise me. Some said, we may offer Crayton to get it done. So much for the young receivers now. Miles is trapped as a 4th WR and Sam, now injured, is probably on the outs. :(

I think Sammy out for the year fueled this deal to be honest, he had a bright season ahead of him but that made us even thinner...I don't mind keeping Crayton although if it was him or the 3rd gimme the 3rd lol, but he should be great in the slot like before.


My problem/concern is can Jason Garret make it all work? We have already been struggling to get the ball to Felix enough, so I want to make sure he can put guys in the right place and make Romo not feel like he has to force guys the ball...I'm not worried about Roy, he will love being here and make plays when called on and when you realize how we maneuvered this past draft in moving down for extra picks it's not a big concern with me.


We still have an extra 4th, two 5ths, when your on the cusp nothing wrong with trading a few picks for a need...Also gives me relief that if TO gets to acting crazy at any point down the line at least we have his replacement here, which makes me think he won't try to burn his bridges here.

Brent
10-14-2008, 05:50 PM
keeps adding pro bowl talent w/ out really caring about character or attitude.
sounds like the old Dan Snyder

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Why so glum? Roy might clear up his dropsies now that he actually cares about the team he's playing for, and he's quite a talent. I'd be pumped to be a Cowboys fan right now. The future is for later.

This whole situation is just so surreal, and I don't think getting more talent is the answer. We have tons of talent, even with the injuries we have more than enough to win the division and the NFC. That is not the question. The question is our identity, chemistry, and cohesiveness as a team.

There has been an inexplicable malaise that has settled over this team for the last 4 weeks or so, and I was looking forward to the team possibly developing that bunker mentality, "us against the world" type mindset that would cure that.

This only distracts from that, and takes the focus off of the team drawing close together.

Not only that, but now what the hell do we do with all our weapons. We were already struggling to find enough touches to go around already, and we add a guy that is going to want high volume touches?

I'm seeing far more downside than upside here, at least for this season.

Now, as far as the future goes, it might be an awesome move. The big question for us has been how we will replace TO as he ages. Now, as long as Roy Williams plays up to his ability, we have found a solution to that problem.

Not only that, but how do we fit him into our cap with Ware's extension coming up, as well as Canty needing a new deal. I just don't like it.

Geo
10-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Roy doesn't have bad character though, does he? He's a bit of a loon for his crazy optimistic comments at times, lol, and he probably was mailing it in the last few weeks in a bad situation where he wasn't getting the ball enough. Has been dinged up at times. I don't know the reality of the situation, but I don't believe he would treat the younger Calvin Johnson negatively.

I guess I just think it will work in Dallas, I think he will be a good fit with Romo and can catch some touchdowns with his long arms and frame. I'm looking forward to seeing what the two of them can do these next couple of years, with Garrett as OC and HC.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 06:01 PM
Its funny how Detroit fans hate Shaun Rogers and Dre Bly and now Roy Williams, the only decent players they've had for a decade.

I never hated Dre' Bly. That was an awful, awful deal.

Rogers is another story. He never played hard, and he's one strike away from a season long suspension for violating the substance abuse policy. He isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Cleveland either . . .

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 06:05 PM
Actually, he's been pretty close to lighting it on fire with Cleveland. He was flat awesome against the Giants, and he was very disruptive against Dallas as well. The guy has looked motivated and driven in every game I've seen him play this year.

Of course, he still needs to get in better shape and work on his stamina, but he looks like a major coup for Cleveland. Not just that, but during his peak years with the Lions, I felt like he was as good a DT as there was in football.

Prowler
10-14-2008, 06:06 PM
Its funny how Detroit fans hate Shaun Rogers and Dre Bly and now Roy Williams, the only decent players they've had for a decade.

that kinda hurts, but its pretty true. it's more about their annoying traits of not working hard enough or signaling first down on 3 yard passes on first down, and generally not winning more than 4 games most years.

and yeah calvin is the future

thule
10-14-2008, 06:07 PM
I don't get all the dallas hate from the fans right now.

Having trouble spreading the ball around? I don't buy that.

We are suppose to play aggressive. We are built like that...it is Garrett's strategy on offense. If they show 8 in the box they are going to be exploited through the air till they back off. Our problem was execution not play calling.

When your #1 WR is getting the type of attention TO is getting other guys needed to step up. Now johnsonolb says that TO is missing wide open Crayton and Austin...being that you hardly ever see the other WR's that aren't targeted...is that really judgeable without the coaches tape?

I'm just saying...yes we added another big talent...and who knows how it'll turn out...but Tony has always thrown to the open guy...and as far as I'm concerned if he's forcing it to TO or Witten then the other guys aren't open. I mean lets be honest...how many times does Romo drop back with time and only stare at one guy and force it. I'm sure it happens...but Tony didn't get to be a top QB in the NFL by forcing it to one target. He'll throw it to whoever is open.

With the way the games have been working I'm thinking that forcing it to TO and Witten had more to do with the lack seperation the #2 and 3's were getting.

thule
10-14-2008, 06:09 PM
I never hated Dre' Bly. That was an awful, awful deal.

Rogers is another story. He never played hard, and he's one strike away from a season long suspension for violating the substance abuse policy. He isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Cleveland either . . .

Football outsider did an article on best DT's in the game..and it was a combination between plays made in the backfield...and disrupting the design of the play. Rogers was ranked #1 in the past year...let me know if you'd like a link for it.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 06:12 PM
Lol @ The Cowboys!

thule
10-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Another thing to put in perspective. If dallas does in fact win the superbowl...which Jerry Jones had to think in his mind when he made this trade the value of the 3 picks adds up to the 24th pick in the draft. Using that logic...which although maybe not fundamentally sound does make some sense. After all dallas needs a WR. And it takes about 3 years for one to develop on average. So if dallas were to win the superbowl they gave up essentially the 24th pick in the draft for a 27 year old WR to contribute right away. Not crazy logic.

bearsfan_51
10-14-2008, 06:15 PM
I'm really not a very big fan of Roy Williams, so I think this was a deal for the Lions. They can get their QB with the 1st overall pick (likely), and fix their line (either O or D) with their late round 1st.

Also, I didn't bother to read past the 1st and last page, but it is a 3rd and a 6th in 2009, not the two 2nds as was initially reported.

bearsfan_51
10-14-2008, 06:17 PM
On the other hand, this takes away the only real strength the Lions had (receivers). This kinda goes without saying, but if you look at their roster it's stunning how awful it is.

Brodeur
10-14-2008, 06:22 PM
On the other hand, this takes away the only real strength the Lions had (receivers). This kinda goes without saying, but if you look at their roster it's stunning how awful it is.

I'd call Jason Hanson a strength sir.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 06:26 PM
I'd call Jason Hanson a strength sir.
Cant kick field goals from 100 yards away. besides, Orlovsky wont give him a chance, he just runs out of the endzone

Shane P. Hallam
10-14-2008, 06:28 PM
Another thing to put in perspective. If dallas does in fact win the superbowl...which Jerry Jones had to think in his mind when he made this trade the value of the 3 picks adds up to the 24th pick in the draft. Using that logic...which although maybe not fundamentally sound does make some sense. After all dallas needs a WR. And it takes about 3 years for one to develop on average. So if dallas were to win the superbowl they gave up essentially the 24th pick in the draft for a 27 year old WR to contribute right away. Not crazy logic.

Excellent, excellent point. If they blow it on wildcard weekend again though, the deal may look terrible.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 06:28 PM
Football outsider did an article on best DT's in the game..and it was a combination between plays made in the backfield...and disrupting the design of the play. Rogers was ranked #1 in the past year...let me know if you'd like a link for it.
yea but rogers used to be beastly in the first half of the season and suddenly just didnt care

Toneloc498
10-14-2008, 06:33 PM
This trade can work out well for Dallas but I think they did give up a lot. Potentially they can have the best passing attack in the NFL if all the players start playing as a team rather then as individuals. They probably have one of if not the best 1-2 WR combo in the NFL (Boldin and Fitz may be better). Personally I think they are best when they have Barber run the ball to open up the passing game, adding another WR will not give Barber the ball more like he should be getting. Until they start handing the ball off the Barber I dont see them lighting up teams.

Another thing I dont get is why not wait until the offseason to get Roy Williams? He said he wanted to play "home" in texas, his favorite team growing up as a kid was the Dallas Cowboys, he played college ball at Texas...it was a no brainer for them to wait until the offseason and pick him up for nothing but money. If they dont win it this year I think it was not a good move...not a bad move but not a good one.

Apparently Roy Williams has agreed to a 5 year deal with Dallas already, damn that was some quick ass negotiations.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 06:35 PM
Apparently Roy Williams has agreed to a 5 year deal with Dallas already, damn that was some quick ass negotiations.

They agreed to it prior to the trade. They wouldn't trade for a rental.

Toneloc498
10-14-2008, 06:39 PM
Another thing to put in perspective. If dallas does in fact win the superbowl...which Jerry Jones had to think in his mind when he made this trade the value of the 3 picks adds up to the 24th pick in the draft. Using that logic...which although maybe not fundamentally sound does make some sense. After all dallas needs a WR. And it takes about 3 years for one to develop on average. So if dallas were to win the superbowl they gave up essentially the 24th pick in the draft for a 27 year old WR to contribute right away. Not crazy logic.

I dont think the draft value chart is correct unless they updated it, Im pretty sure it goes on the old format that the 1st three rounds are on day 1. Now with the 3rd round being the first round on day two the 3rd round picks become more valuable. Having a whole night to prepair for the next round is big compared to just a few hours. I do agree that if you win the superbowl this year its worth it, if not I dont think it was a good trade but neither do I think its a bad trade

Toneloc498
10-14-2008, 06:40 PM
They agreed to it prior to the trade. They wouldn't trade for a rental.

Do we know the numbers?

Jvig43
10-14-2008, 06:41 PM
Dumb they didnt wait for him in the offseason as it was his last year with the lions. Speaks volumes about Jerry Jones.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 06:45 PM
Do we know the numbers?

Don't believe so but they had a deal in place.

bearsfan_51
10-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Dumb they didnt wait for him in the offseason as it was his last year with the lions. Speaks volumes about Jerry Jones.
The Lions very likely would have franchised him.

Menardo75
10-14-2008, 06:54 PM
They gave up a lot to give him. Good job Lions.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 06:59 PM
Football outsider did an article on best DT's in the game..and it was a combination between plays made in the backfield...and disrupting the design of the play. Rogers was ranked #1 in the past year...let me know if you'd like a link for it.

Do YOU think he's the best DT in football?

I personally do not. Neither do most NFL teams if all the Lions got was a marginal CB and a 3rd rounder in return. Look what Roy Williams' trade value. And Rogers was signed to a reasonable longterm deal.

Rogers is good. No denying it. But the Lions would never be able to motivate him.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 06:59 PM
Damn I knew it wasn't possible but I so wanted to see Ocho in big D.

kwilk103
10-14-2008, 07:19 PM
From ESPN:

The five-year deal hasn't been completed, but it should get done in the next couple days. Williams' agent, Ben Dogra of CAA, who was in flight after the trade was completed, will work with Jones over the next 24 to 48 hours to finalize the deal, which will pay in the $8.5 million to $9 million a year range, according to multiple sources


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3643295

holt_bruce81
10-14-2008, 07:22 PM
How's Roy and T.O going to gel?

Brad Johnson is going to have like 400 passing yards against the Rams.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 07:24 PM
From ESPN:

The five-year deal hasn't been completed, but it should get done in the next couple days. Williams' agent, Ben Dogra of CAA, who was in flight after the trade was completed, will work with Jones over the next 24 to 48 hours to finalize the deal, which will pay in the $8.5 million to $9 million a year range, according to multiple sources


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3643295

THAT IS INSANE!

I don't know how much T.O. makes, but if it's close then I think the smile is gonna get whiped of his face once he hears this . . .

holt_bruce81
10-14-2008, 07:26 PM
THAT IS INSANE!

I don't know how much T.O. makes, but if it's close then I think the smile is gonna get whiped of his face once he hears this . . .

T.O signed a 4 year 34 million dollar deal earlier this year.

Gay Ork Wang
10-14-2008, 07:26 PM
What duo is better

QTrain and Fitz
Roy and TO

holt_bruce81
10-14-2008, 07:27 PM
What duo is better

QTrain and Fitz
Roy and TO

Fitz and Boldin.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 07:27 PM
Anquan and Fitz no doubt about it.

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 07:28 PM
THAT IS INSANE!

I don't know how much T.O. makes, but if it's close then I think the smile is gonna get whiped of his face once he hears this . . .

How much did you expect Roy to collect if he hit the open market?

703SKINS202
10-14-2008, 07:28 PM
You even gotta put Wayne Harrison ahead of TO Roy at this point until we see them play.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 07:34 PM
How much did you expect Roy to collect if he hit the open market?

I expected just this, but it doesn't mean he's worth it.

Roy Williams isn't a top 5 receiver in the NFL. And I don't think he's top 10 either. Top 15? Still questionable . . . he's had one great year. And don't tell me its all because he played for the Lions.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 07:34 PM
You even gotta put Wayne Harrison ahead of TO Roy at this point until we see them play.

Eh Harrison..... Although he looked great against the Ravens he did drop balls the Harrison of even last year wouldn't have.

DMWSackMachine
10-14-2008, 07:34 PM
I think its fair to say that now Dallas has the unquestioned most-talented receiving corps in the NFL, right?

You could quibble over Fitz/Boldin being a better duo, and maybe even Wayne/Harrison(though Marvin is over the hill, imo, and is barely average atm), but when you add the fact that we have the best TE in the league, its hard to see how anyone, even New England at full bore, has a better group of pass catchers. Whether that translates to wins on the field is anyone's guess, but I don't see anyone out there that can compare on a talent for talent level.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 07:37 PM
I will say though that people are severely overlooking what Steve Breaston has done this season when he has been playing.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 07:39 PM
I will say though that people are severely overlooking what Steve Breaston has done this season when he has been playing.

I love how Steve Breaston has been outperforming Ted Ginn as both a receiver and a returner.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 07:39 PM
I will say though that people are severely overlooking what Steve Breaston has done this season when he has been playing.

Breaston was a decent receiver his Senior year at Michigan, but he really has improved a lot in the limited time I've seen him play in the NFL. He's a legit #3.

DoWnThEfiElD
10-14-2008, 07:40 PM
Eh Harrison..... Although he looked great against the Ravens he did drop balls the Harrison of even last year wouldn't have.

Roy constantly dropped balls here.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 07:40 PM
I love how Steve Breaston has been outperforming Ted Ginn as both a receiver and a returner.

Michigan > Ohio State!

hahahaha, kidding . . . kinda

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Michigan > Ohio State!

hahahaha, kidding . . . kinda

When is the last time Michigan beat tOSU?

asmitty45
10-14-2008, 07:43 PM
I love this trade, he wasn't happy or performing and was going to walk at the end of the season.

Now we'll have picks and both ends of the 1st and 3rd rounds and if our new GM, whoever that may turn out to be, has half a brain we should get some very nice building blocks for the future

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 07:44 PM
I expected just this, but it doesn't mean he's worth it.

Roy Williams isn't a top 5 receiver in the NFL. And I don't think he's top 10 either. Top 15? Still questionable . . . he's had one great year. And don't tell me its all because he played for the Lions.

Lol, I agree he's not top 5 at his position but if he hit the open market he would get paid like one, because that's just how it goes with the salaries these days...That's been the norm lately.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 07:44 PM
When is the last time Michigan beat tOSU?

It sure as hell won't be this season . . . FIRE RICH ROD!

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 07:51 PM
As far as receiving "Trios" I would rank them like this:

1) TO/Roy Williams/Jason Witten- On Paper there is no better, but will have to see them on the field first
2) Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin/Ben Patrick- Honestly with their duo who cares who the TE is, although Patrick is a very natural pass catching TE
3) Reggie Wayne/Marvin Harrison/Dallas Clark-You can make the easy case for them as #1 having proven to be the most effective trio, but Harrison's slight regression drops them a bit.
4) Brandon Marshall/Eddie Royal/Tony Scheffler- Royal complements Marshall perfectly and Scheffler is very underrated
5) Hines Ward/Santonio Holmes/Heath Miller- Ward has sure hands and is tough inside. Holmes is the homerun threat, while solid would describe Miller.

Honorable Mentions:
Colston/Moore/Shockey- Can't grade them until I see them
Moss/Randle El/Cooley- Moss and Cooley are on top of their game. Cooley is a top 5 TE in the NFL. Randle El is solid but does not necessarily complement Moss well. We'll see in the future with Devin Thomas hopefully claiming the two spot and bumping El to the slot to see just how good they could be.
Braylon Edwards/Stallworth/Winslow- Edwards and Winslow are pro bowl caliber players. This has potential to be a top tier trio but we have to see Stallworth return to form first. He hasn't looked great thus far since he has come back from injury.
TJ Housh/Chad Johnson/Reggie Kelly-The duo has not looked good this year especially CJ, and Kelly is bleh.
Andre Johnson/Kevin Walter/Owen Daniels- Andre Johnson is an elite receiver on a bad team. Daniels is a top 10 TE, and while Walter has been solid the Texans lack a true #2 wideout.
Chris Chambers/Vincent Jackson/Antonio Gates-Forgot about this trio. They are really good but I need to see more consistency from Jackson. Also doesn't help when Chambers and Gates are injured.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 08:05 PM
Best trio

Antonio Bryant/Ike Hilliard/Jerramy Stevens

Tampa 2 4 life
10-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Best trio

Antonio Bryant/Ike Hilliard/Jerramy Stevens

Jerramy Stevens < Alex Smith

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Jerramy Stevens < Alex Smith

I don't know. I've been waiting for Smith to live up to the high expectations most Bucs fans have given him.

princefielder28
10-14-2008, 08:14 PM
When all healthy, Driver/Jennings/Lee is pretty solid

GB12
10-14-2008, 08:16 PM
When all healthy, Driver/Jennings/Jones is pretty solid
In case you didn't notice every one he listed was WR/WR/ TE.

princefielder28
10-14-2008, 08:28 PM
In case you didn't notice every one he listed was WR/WR/ TE.

yeah, I'm an idiot

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 08:46 PM
Awe shucks. I wanted to see 81 & 85 together on the field. Poor Chad. He's probably crying somewhere right now. I feel bad for him. The Bengals are so bad.

Welcome to the Cowboys Roy Williams. Speaking of Roy Williams (the other one). I won't be shocked to see him wear another jersey next season. On the trade.... I think this was a good move for both sides. I've been thinking for a while now that I thought Jerry would add either Chad, Roy or Boldin to solve our WR issue. ...if you want to call it an issue. So while many mock drafters have had us taking a WR in the first round the last few years and criticized us for not drafting one... and expected us to take a WR in '09... I never expected it. Jerry's logic is sound. WRs drafted in round 1 usually take too long to develop, they have a high bust ratio and the Cowboys are now at the point where their window of open now. How long it will be open is unknown, but Jerry has seen more than a decade go by now without returning to the SB.

Unlike a lot of people jumping to conclusions, I think we need to see how this plays out before judging who won and who lost in this deal. On the outside looking in, one might assume the cost of picks was too much. However, the first round pick is most likely to come at the bottom half of round 1 barring an incredible meltdown... not out of the question, but Jerry probably had the frame of mind that it's one of the last picks of round 1 when he made the deal. He also put himself into this situation of being able to surrender the 3rd and 6th because of the moves he made in last year's draft which most people don't even know about, much less give him credit for. So while the Jerry bashers continue, fans like me love days like this when an owner makes bold moves. When draft grades come out next year, you have to consider the addition of Roy Williams to the Cowboys grade. Jerry basically bypassed the young learning/development years and got a player in his prime. Perfection.

Teams will risk their draft picks until the end of time and either hit or miss. But getting a proven established talent is not a risk. Besides, the way high draft picks are valued, Dallas probably couldn't have gotten a deal done (using the same picks theoretically) to move up to draft Roy in the first place.

On the negative side of this, the Cowboys are being held up by a porous defense. I'm not a real believer that this team can win the SB until the defense is fixed in the front 7.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 08:50 PM
I think we need to see how this plays out before judging who won and who lost in this deal.


If you don't win the Superbowl, you lose.


On the negative side of this, the Cowboys are being held up by a porous defense. I'm not a real believer that this team can win the SB until the defense is fixed in the front 7.

There is no real sense of character on the Cowboys. A lot of talent and no direction. You have a QB who is more concerned about which blond bimbo he is hitting than the game, a receiver with a me first mentality, an owner on the sidelines conversating (thanks Randy Moss) with players, a headcase CB, a LB making garbage time sacks running around like he is the ****. etc etc

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 08:53 PM
Admit it, D. The Cowboys got fleeced by Matt Millen's protege.

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 08:56 PM
The safety?



If you don't win the Superbowl, you lose.



There is no real sense of character on the Cowboys. A lot of talent and no direction.
Yeah, the safety.

Why do the Cowboys lose if they don't win the SB this year? Were they gonna win it next year with those draft picks?

People have been saying that the Cowboys will implode since TO got here... and I'm still waiting. They haven't been losing games because of poor character. ...and I actually think the media has a lot of people's opinions twisted on that subject. But that's a separate discussion altogether.

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 08:58 PM
Admit it, D. The Cowboys got fleeced by Matt Millen's protege.
I hope the picks make you guys better.

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 08:58 PM
He also put himself into this situation of being able to surrender the 3rd and 6th because of the moves he made in last year's draft which most people don't even know about, much less give him credit for. So while the Jerry bashers continue, fans like me love days like this when an owner makes bold moves. When draft grades come out next year, you have to consider the addition of Roy Williams to the Cowboys grade. Jerry basically bypassed the young learning/development years and got a player in his prime. Perfection.


Couldn't of said it better, we have our problems certainly, and it won't be easy, but some people bash any and every move Jerry makes no matter what and that means ESPN included...When you think of how we moved around last draft, and still landed alot of elite talent, makes it all the more impressive, we still have a surplus of picks next year(for instance alot more then Cleveland had last draft who had more needs)...I'm all for giving this trade time to see who won, but I have no problem with the contract or price to get him here, Hurd is done now so something as simple as TO missing 4 games could kill our season.


Money wise things get interesting with Canty so we should see how that plays out but great post and great outlook.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 09:00 PM
As usual, the move sucks according to outsiders and is amazing to fans of the team.

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 09:03 PM
I hope the picks make you guys better.

And I hope Roy Williams averages less than 3 drops per game for the sake of your sanity.

SEE! Who said D and I couldn't be civil with each other? haha

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2008, 09:08 PM
Now with two first rounders the Lions can get Michael Crabtree and Percy Harvin!!! The extra 3rd rounder screams Derrick Williams to me.

ChezPower4
10-14-2008, 09:12 PM
As usual, the move sucks according to outsiders and is amazing to fans of the team.

Funny how that works

Xiomera
10-14-2008, 09:14 PM
Now with two first rounders the Lions can get Michael Crabtree and Percy Harvin!!! The extra 3rd rounder screams Derrick Williams to me.

Nope.

New GM calls for a new trend. I think we'll start drafting consecutive guys at a new position . . . the smart money is on Quarterbacks.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 09:21 PM
As usual, the move sucks according to outsiders and is amazing to fans of the team.

There are a number of us that arent exactly thrilled. Let's just hope it works out.

Bruce Banner
10-14-2008, 09:21 PM
There are a number of us that arent exactly thrilled.

Good to hear.

LonghornsLegend
10-14-2008, 09:28 PM
As usual, the move sucks according to outsiders and is amazing to fans of the team.

Whoever said the deal was amazing, honestly?



I am on the fence, but certainly not against it, or anyone who has an opinion forthright.

Geo
10-14-2008, 09:30 PM
There's usually a positive in everything, and fans are bound to be optimistic and get excited in that in each case.

Brodeur
10-14-2008, 09:32 PM
Nope.

New GM calls for a new trend. I think we'll start drafting consecutive guys at a new position . . . the smart money is on Quarterbacks.

LEFT TACKLE, LEFT TACKLE! It's happening.

Tampa 2 4 life
10-14-2008, 09:51 PM
Nope.

New GM calls for a new trend. I think we'll start drafting consecutive guys at a new position . . . the smart money is on Quarterbacks.

Safety. You'll start with William Moore at #1 Overall.

RaiderNation
10-14-2008, 09:55 PM
Cowboys could afford to get rid of 1st rounders. There only BIG hole was a 2nd WR and Roy Williams will make a great 2nd WR to TO. Only other big need I can say the Cowboys have is CB and they have a chance at getting a top 2 CB this year, Aso during F/A is Oakland/someone else doesnt sign him

GB12
10-14-2008, 10:01 PM
I think Dallas gave up a lot to get him, but if there's one team that can afford to do that it's the Cowboys.

Geo
10-14-2008, 10:03 PM
I think it's hilarious that Deion Sanders doesn't like the move, because they didn't get Chad Johnson or TJ Houshmandzadeh, ie. two of his "boys." :D

CJSchneider
10-14-2008, 10:05 PM
What a move!
I really didn't think it was going to happen.

BrownsTown
10-14-2008, 10:05 PM
Yes, that will surely work out well. All problems can be solved by bringing in another player at the skill positions.

Won't make much of a difference. And in the end it'll probably piss off TO for not getting as many looks.

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 10:10 PM
I think it's hilarious that Deion Sanders doesn't like the move, because they didn't get Chad Johnson or TJ Houshmandzadeh, ie. two of his "boys." :D
Chad Johnson would've been the "Reggie Bush" move. Roy Williams is the "Mario Williams" move. Cowboys chose the guy that is the smart "football move".

haha... the Texans should patten that phrase.

For the record, I wanted Chad. He would've added a new dimension with his deep speed. Roy just adds talent. I don't think he can stretch the field the same way Chad can. Either way, it's still about play calling, route running and beating the defense.

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 10:12 PM
Yes, that will surely work out well. All problems can be solved by bringing in another player at the skill positions.

Won't make much of a difference. And in the end it'll probably piss off TO for not getting as many looks.
TO will be pissed off more because less coverage will be directed his way.

It's just going to boil his blood.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 10:34 PM
Cowboys could afford to get rid of 1st rounders. There only BIG hole was a 2nd WR and Roy Williams will make a great 2nd WR to TO. Only other big need I can say the Cowboys have is CB and they have a chance at getting a top 2 CB this year, Aso during F/A is Oakland/someone else doesnt sign him

CB? Come again?

Newman, Henry, Jones, Jenkins, Scandrick

When healthy, the Cowboy are outstanding at the position.

PoopSandwich
10-14-2008, 10:58 PM
TO is getting up there in age and Roy is pretty young I believe... The trade doesn't help their biggest weakness but they are getting a great player in Roy Williams who will eventually be their #1.

Also, if the Cowboys win the super bowl, #32 pick in each of those rounds don't hurt as much.

703SKINS202
10-14-2008, 11:00 PM
CB? Come again?

Newman, Henry, Jones, Jenkins, Scandrick

When healthy, the Cowboy are outstanding at the position.

I think what he is trying to say is: Injured, Decent, Suspended/Maybe for good, rookie, rookie

I like Jenkins though

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 11:12 PM
I think what he is trying to say is: Injured, Decent, Suspended/Maybe for good, rookie, rookie

I like Jenkins though

He said acquire Aso in the off-season...that doesnt make any sense. When healthy, corner is a strength...with or without Adam Jones.

D-Unit
10-14-2008, 11:23 PM
He said acquire Aso in the off-season...that doesnt make any sense. When healthy, corner is a strength...with or without Adam Jones.
Maybe he meant DB... like in Safety. Roy is nothing but a salary cap eater at this point.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 11:25 PM
Maybe he meant DB... like in Safety. Roy is nothing but a salary cap eater at this point.

Is there a future guy for SS on the Cowboys? Knowing Jerry, I could see him moving up in the 2nd for a hometown guy like Nic Harris. Though, it would be odd replacing an Oklahoma safety with an Oklahoma safety.

Menardo75
10-14-2008, 11:29 PM
What happens to Pat Cratyon now? You guys think this is it for him?

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 11:32 PM
What happens to Pat Cratyon now? You guys think this is it for him?

He just signed a contract extension last year...he goes back to playing his more natural slot position, now. Not so sure how he's going to take that, though.

GB12
10-14-2008, 11:34 PM
What happens to Pat Cratyon now? You guys think this is it for him?
He just signed a four year contract last year so he's probably not going anywhere. This just pushes him back to a #3 WR, which is what he should be anyway.

Turtlepower
10-14-2008, 11:35 PM
He just signed a contract extension last year...he goes back to playing his more natural slot position, now. Not so sure how he's going to take that, though.

I think it is a much better role for him. My only concern is that Roy Williams still isn't that great of a #2. I prefer to have a crisp route runner as my #2 WR and even though Williams has immense talent and big play ability, he doesn't run the cleanest route, imo.

Edit: Though I'd still love to have him on the Giants. =(

Double Edit: But not at that price.

M.O.T.H.
10-14-2008, 11:40 PM
Oh it is a better position for Crayton but, he has a massive ego these days. Could cause some problems...he also doesnt hold back in interviews just like one, Greg Ellis, if they are pissed off, they'll let you know it eventually.