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ChiFan24
10-19-2008, 02:30 AM
I usually try to be a little creative with these things, though not at the expense of reality. So there may be a couple picks that surprise you. I also tried to project the players' stock 6 months from now. No trades, still way too early.

And if your post is going to consist of "good/bad (insert team) mock," save it. Read the mock, and give me something thoughtful please.

1. Detroit Lions – Matt Stafford QB Georgia
This could just as easily be Bradford or Sanchez, who knows, but my money is on Stafford. In fact, from what I’ve seen, Stafford, along with Brady Quinn and Jay Cutler, is probably one of my top three QB prospects of the decade (though I reserve the right to change my mind). He’s got that big, strong frame that allows him to break away from potential sacks and he also moves around very well in the pocket. And while he’s a little inconsistent with his accuracy, he’s got the arm and the touch to make every throw. After Drew Stanton fails miserably in his audition this year, and Rod Marinelli is fired, the Lions will be in the market for a QB.

2. Kansas City Chiefs – Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
I think two of the top three come out, and at the moment, I’ll give Bradford the edge over Sanchez. It’s hard to get a good read on Bradford because of all the talent around him, but he has a good arm, good athleticism, and makes excellent decisions. He could stand to gain a little muscle, but Kansas City isn’t going to let that stop them from taking a legitimate QB of the future.

3. St. Louis Rams – Vontae Davis CB Illinois
Maybe I’m a little biased here, but if Vontae drops out of the top five, I will be absolutely shocked. He’s my top prospect, and at the moment, nobody else is close. Antonio Cromartie is the only guy I’ve ever graded near him as far as CBs go. Vontae isn’t just an athlete playing CB – he’s got freakish athleticism, but he also as physical corner as you’ll find in the draft, and his overall technique is not given nearly enough credit. After he destroys the combine, people won’t question Davis over Oher or Monroe.

4. Cincinnati Bengals – Michael Oher OT Mississippi
I’d say middle linebacker is Cincinnati’s biggest need, but come draft day I think Maualuga will be considered a huge reach here, and Laurinaitis has already dropped to late first, as he should. And since, unfortunately, it’s too early to project trades, I’m going with Oher, who really has no business dropping from the top three. Levi Jones has been barely adequate since injuries started biting, and Oher would provide excellent protection on Palmer’s blindside as well as a dominant force in the run game. If the team doesn’t want to give up on Levi Jones, Oher also has plenty of experience at guard (though that would be a massive waste of his talent).

5. Oakland Raiders – Andre Smith OT Alabama
As much as I like Oher, Smith is right on his tail. He’s not quite as quick on his feet or technically sound as Oher (though certainly not lacking in that department), but he’s an absolute mammoth in the run game at 340. Al Davis has been looking for a difference maker at left tackle since Robert Gallery was a complete bust there, and while Smith really isn’t a fit for the semi-ZBS Oakland runs, a new coach could make that point moot.

6. San Francisco 49ers – Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
Kind of a tough pick. I’m fairly sure Martz is staying for next year – thus, no QB until the second round (not that anyone is worth the pick). I’m not so sure about Mike Nolan. It could be a rush backer like Selvie or Orakpo, but since I’m not sure what kind of defense they’ll be running, I’m giving J.T. O’Sullivan a dynamic big play threat that could complement Josh Morgan nicely.

7. Seattle Seahawks – Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
I had trouble picking between Monroe and Crabtree, but eventually I settled on the better value. Crabtree would be a great fit for Seattle’s WCO as a replacement for Deion Branch, but I’m going with Monroe, who can make the expensive, injury prone Walter Jones expendable, and give the team a new, more mobile LT for the offense to build around.

8. Miami Dolphins – Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
I looked at George Selvie and Brian Orakpo here, but they’re both reaches in the top ten in my book. A guy like Mike Crabtree wouldn’t be unheard of either; he’d actually be an excellent potential number one with Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo complementing him. However, the corner position has been filled by the likes of Mike Lehan and Andre Goodman for far to long in Miami, and Jenkins is terrific value here. I sometimes let him get overshadowed by Vontae Davis in my own mind, but Jenkins is also the kind of corner that’s not going to come around very often – top athleticism and physicality, with a knack for making big plays in the secondary.

9. Houston Texans – Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
Having seen more of the Texans than I really want to, I’ve decided that their first pick needs to be on defense. Duane Brown is holding up all right at tackle, and Steve Slaton is all they really need in their running back. The other side of the ball leaves a lot to be desired. Super Mario and Okoye are the only two d-linemen capable of generating a pass rush; Demeco Ryans is the only linebacker that can tackle; and without Dunta, they can’t cover anyone (though that’s mostly Jacque Reeves’ fault). And nobody else is even remotely good enough for the Texans to try anything creative on defense. They need to find themselves another DE, a OLB or two, and a safety. So it’s between Greg Hardy, William Moore, and Curry. You probably can’t go wrong with any of them, but I’m going with Aaron Curry, an amazing physical and athletic specimen that can either replace Morlon Greenwood, or more likely Zach Diles on the strong side.

10. Minnesota Vikings – Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
There’s really no great fit here; Minnesota really doesn’t need anything defensively, the three tackles worth the pick are off the board, and I’m not ready to form an opinion on Tebow, so I’m just leaving him out of the draft. Gresham might be a reach, but he could have the kind of combine that catapults him into top ten discussion. And God knows the Vikings could use an upgrade over Visanthe Shiancoe.

11. Cleveland Browns – Brian Orakpo DE/OLB Texas
On one hand, I could be over thinking things. On the other hand, it’s October. Chris Wells would be a good fit here – he’s a power back with the type of body that can take a pounding. But I cannot help thinking that he’s going to fall in coming months, and I’ll elaborate on that when he comes off the board. I’m going to go with Orakpo, who’s stock has soared recently, and looks tailor made for the strong side OLB spot. Orakpo would be a massive upgrade over Willie McGinnest, and could free things up for Kamerion Wimbley to make more plays on the weakside.

12. Baltimore Ravens – Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
I fully expect Baltimore to bring Terrell Suggs back next season; whether it be through a long term deal or another one year tender. So no George Selvie. Instead, I’m giving them Darrius Heyward-Bey, whose big play ability will give him the edge over Michael Crabtree in Cam Cameron’s eyes.

13. Atlanta Falcons – Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
Not long after Baltimore passes, Atlanta gladly scoops Crabtree up. As talented as Michael Jenkins and Laurent Robinson are, Crabtree has too much upside to pass up; if he develops into the Fitz clone some think he can be, Atlanta would have a high-powered offense for years to come.

14. New Orleans Saints – Chris Wells RB Ohio State
You’d think that New Orleans would be the team to end the heavily offensive trend started here, but tell me, which defensive player would New Orleans have ranked higher than Beanie? Reggie Bush is clearly not a consistent between the tackles guy, Deuce McAllister’s return is questionable at best, and Pierre Thomas, having defied pretty big odds just becoming an occasional contributor, is only an occasional contributor. Now, Wells drops a bit on my board because he’s got durability questions, which won’t fly for a power back, he’s not going to blow anyone away at the combine, and he does not do the little things well. A little Bensony if you ask me. However, Sean Payton proved with the Reggie Bush pick that he’s not going to let a potentially great back slip past him, so I’d look for his fall to end here.

15. Green Bay Packers – Greg Hardy DE Mississippi
If you ask me, Green Bay does not really have many needs. RB might become an issue, but I’m not ready to call Grant a fluke just yet. To me, Green Bay needs to add some depth, as injuries to Al Harris and Cullen Jenkins have shown. Not coincidentally, I’m looking at D.J. Moore and Greg Hardy, as well as Jason Smith as a third OT and William Moore. In the end, I’m going with the most value, as Hardy is a top ten prospect in my book. Aaron Kampman is a stud at left end, but Cullen Jenkins, even when healthy, isn’t really a three down end at RE. KGB, who rotates with them, is about at the end of the line and could be replaced, and I don’t think Jeremy Thompson or Will Montgomery is the answer. Hardy would provide Green Bay a young speed rushing threat to rotate with Kampman and Jenkins.

16. New England Patriots – Rey Maualuga ILB Southern California
I’m not going to over think things here; the Patriots still have a hole at TED linebacker, and Maualuga is a great fit. Now, I don’t think he’s going to run a good forty, and he’s actually looked soft and hesitant at times this season. But anyone who watched the Rose Bowl could tell you that Rey is a legitimate first rounder and playmaker, and his size and talent suits New England perfectly.

17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
Honestly, I almost skipped this pick. Nothing I like here. I thought about C.J. Spiller as a Felix Jones-type pick, but that would require Warrick Dunn to retire and Cadillac Williams to be released. Almost went with Colt McCoy, but that’s just too much of a reach at this point, in my book. Sen’Derrick Marks as well. I’m going with Michael Johnson, an incredible physical specimen with the frame to dominate at LE.

18. New York Jets – Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State
Almost too obvious a pick…and yes, there’s such thing. A part of me thinks Jackson is going to fall a bit, but as of now, his stock is right around here. And since I don’t see much of an alternative, I’ll give the Jets Jackson to replace Shaun Ellis in the 3-4.

19. Indianapolis Colts – Sen’Derrick Marks DT Auburn
Indianapolis is in dire need of a DT, and if this isn’t where Marks’ stock is, this is where it should be. Ideally he’s an under tackle, though who knows what Indy will do? They certainly need an upgrade at both DT spots though, and I’d bet money on them picking the best available.

20. Philadelphia Eagles – William Moore FS Missouri
It could just as easily be Taylor Mays here but…you know what? I’m tired, and the Eagles are boring. Go Phillies.

21. Chicago Bears – Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
As a Bears fan, our number one need in my mind is a big mauler at right tackle, and I would love for Phil Loadholt to show me some better technique as a pass blocker so I could feel comfortable with him opposite Chris Williams. But since that’s not the case, I’m going with his teammate, Duke Robinson, to step in and create holes for Matt Forte at right guard. I also like Alex Mack as a guard and eventual replacement for Olin Kreutz.

22. Buffalo Bills – Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State
With Angelo Crowell almost certain to take off in free agency, the Bills need a strong side linebacker that’s not Keith Ellison. It will surprise some if Freeman comes off the board before James Laurinaitis, but he’s simply the better fit here. Brandon Pettigrew also makes some sense, but I don’t know how much Buffalo values its tight ends.

23. Arizona Cardinals – C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
I don’t know if there are any Cardinals fans that can back me up on this, but a year ago, it was rumored that Arizona was set to take Chris Johnson in the second round. I think Arizona decides to be a little frisky with this pick, coming off its first playoff birth in about ten years, and makes sure it ends up with its homerun threat at running back. Edge James can be released, and Spiller can join Tim Hightower in a promising young tandem. Of course, George Selvie would have made just as much, if not more sense.

24. San Diego Chargers – Taylor Mays S Southern California
Mays has amazing size and speed, though there are some that hold that against him, since he doesn’t play to his Sean Taylor-like potential. Still he’s a great player, and is well worth a first rounder. San Diego fans may argue that Paul Oliver is a future starter, but I’d argue he’s a third safety. And win.

25. Detroit Lions (f/Dal) – James Laurinaitis MLB Ohio State
Laurinaitis goes a lot later than his hype says he should, but this is a good fit for him. Jordan Dizon will have an illustrious career on special teams, I’m sure, but a competent regime will likely look to replace him as MLB of the future.

26. Denver Broncos – D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
Denver’s pass defense is just awful, and while it doesn’t help that the pass rush is non-existent and the safeties are Marquand Manuel and Marlon McCree, Dre Bly is incredibly inconsistent (and old) and Karl Paymah is just God awful. Moore has great athleticism and can play nickel while returning kicks.

27. Jacksonville Jaguars – Vince Oghobaase DT Duke
I’ve seen him play a couple times, and he’s been impressive; seems to make plays in the backfield. His size and athleticism make him seem like a perfect complement to John Henderson. That’s about all I can say about him, until I can get a better look.

28. Washington Redskins – Darius Butler CB Connecticut
The Redskins could use another young corner opposite Carlos Rogers, as Springs and Smoot are no guarantees to return next season. If Butler is not considered a first rounder now, he will be after the Senior Bowl/Combine.

29. Philadelphia Eagles (f/Car) – Ciron Black OT Louisiana State
Yawn.

30. Tennessee Titans – Percy Harvin WR Florida
I know it’s not really Tennessee’s style to take a receiver before the fourth round, but Harvin is a huge steal here; he could have just as easily gone top 15. Him and Chris Johnson on the same field would be deadly

31. New York Giants – George Selvie DE South Florida
People are going to say Selvie went too low, but I’m not sure this is low enough. 6-4, 242 is pretty horrific size from a 4-3 DE, and I don’t see him blowing by tackles the way he does in the Big East. Regardless, the Giants love their DE’s, and this gives them the option of moving Kiwanuka back to SLB.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers – Jason Smith OT Baylor
Pittsburgh needs to find a way to protect Roethlisberger, or he won’t be long for this league. Smith doesn’t have the kind of bulk Pittsburgh looks for, but their offensive line coach should be fired anyway.

33. Detroit Lions – Derrick Williams WR Penn State
Roy Williams is gone and the Mike Martz duo of Shaun McDonald and Mike Furrey isn’t shouldn’t be starting in this league. Williams gives the Lions an ultra-talented receiver to pair with Calvin Johnson and return kicks.

34. Kansas City Chiefs – Dannell Ellerbe MLB Georgia
It’s either him or Beckwith, but I think Ellerbe translates better to MLB. Certainly better than Pat Thomas.

35. St. Louis Rams – Colt McCoy QB Texas
I don’t like passing on an offensive lineman again, especially in favor of a young QB, but McCoy is good value at this point, and St. Louis needs a young QB badly.

36. Cincinnati Bengals – Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
No, I didn’t forget him. He’s just not that good. This is a good spot for him though.

37. Oakland Raiders – Alex Mack C California
The offensive line retooling continues with another dominant run blocker. Jake Grove has been a bust.

38. San Francisco 49ers – Brian Cushing OLB Southern California
Great fit as an athletic rush backer in the 3-4, would also fit as a SLB in the 4-3.

39. Seattle Seahawks – Louis Murphy WR Florida
Would have gone with Colt McCoy, but instead a physically gifted receiver to replace Branch and/or Engram down the line.

40. Miami Dolphins – Everette Brown DE/OLB Florida State
I couldn’t tell if he’s better than Ricky Sapp at this point, but Miami could use either rush backer on the weak side.

41. Houston Texans – Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
I’m looking through Texans history, and I’m not seeing one good, or even decent, safety. Chancellor fixes that.

42. Minnesota Vikings – Phil Loadholt OT Oklahoma
Why is a mediocre center playing right tackle?

43. Cleveland Browns – Charles Scott RB Louisiana State
People like to claim that Scott has 4.4 speed when they’re pumping him up, and that’s just not true. He looks like a 4.55 at best. However, he runs hard and punishes defenders, and he’s a potential workhouse with very little mileage. He’d be an excellent pick for Cleveland.

44. Baltimore Ravens – Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
Am I crazy or is Todd Heap done? I say cut your losses and pick up a very good all around tight end in Pettigrew.

45. Atlanta Falcons – Sean Weatherspoon OLB Missouri
Long-term replacement for Keith Brooking.

46. New York Giants (f/NO) – Jamon Meredith OT/OG South Carolina
Is a potential left tackle, but is also getting experience at guard.

47. Green Bay Packers – Xavier Fulton OT Illinois
The Packers value athletic linemen and Fulton’s stock will rise around the draft.

48. New England Patriots – Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
The Patriots drafted Wheatley and Wilhite last year, and they’ll both develop into serviceable corners, but they’re not done adding youth.

49. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Javon Ringer RB Michigan State
No receivers that I particularly like, no QB’s…I guess I could go with Peria Jerry…but screw it, I’m going with Ringer, who isn’t going to fall much further than this. Graham is the unquestioned number one, but even if Dunn doesn’t move on next year, Ringer will be a nice long-term replacement.

50. New York Jets – Alex Boone OT Ohio State
Long-term replacement for Damien Woody.

51. Indianapolis Colts – Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
They really need to load up on DTs, and Jerry can play the nose in Indianapolis.

52. Philadelphia Eagles – Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin
They can use him how they use Smith.

53. Chicago Bears – Maurice Evans DE Penn State
The Bears’ pass rush has been pathetic this year; Mark Anderson has been especially ineffective. Dan Bazuin didn’t work out, so Angelo will take another shot at a pass rusher.

54. Buffalo Bills – Vance Walker DT Georgia Tech
At the very least, he’ll provide depth after McCargo is sent packing.

55. Arizona Cardinals – Cody Brown OLB/DE Connecticut
Another underrated Husky, will provide youth at a position where Arizona is pretty old.

56. New England Patriots (f/SD) – Chase Coffman TE Missouri
New England loves their tight ends, and this pick would actually make sense.

57. Dallas Cowboys – Terrance Taylor DT Michigan
Could get away with playing the nose in Wade Phillips’ scheme, and would let Jay Ratliff kick to end.

58. Denver Broncos – Rashad Johnson S Alabama
Another upgrade in the secondary.

59. Jacksonville Jaguars – Darry Beckwith MLB Louisiana State
Long-term replacement for Mike Peterson.

60. Miami Dolphins (f/Was) – Patrick Chung S Oregon
Great value, and continues the upgrade in the secondary.

61. Carolina Panthers – Domonique Johnson CB Jackson State
I’ve never seen this guy, and until the Senior Bowl, I don’t plan to, but if he runs a 4.4 at 6-2, 200, he won’t go much later than this.

62. Tennessee Titans – Kevin Barnes CB Maryland
Finnegan is amazing, but Harper’s only got a couple years of being a good starter left.

63. New York Giants – Fili Moala DT Southern California
A bit of a character concern, but a ton of talent.

64. Pittsburgh Steelers – Evander Hood DT/DE Missouri
Depth at DE.

d34ng3l021
10-19-2008, 02:54 AM
Michael Crabtree. Great pick.

Sean Witherspoon, not so much. We already have a replacement for Brooking in Stephen Nicholas.

Bruce Banner
10-19-2008, 03:00 AM
Buccaneers

Your choice - Michael Johnson
1. Good first round pick. We need all the D-Line talent we can get. Greg White isn't an every down player and Kevin Carter is in his mid thirties. What makes it better is that you didn't take Harvin here, which many are making the mistake of. One of the best three WRs (DHB, MCT, JM) or D-Line. Good job.
Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 21. (I think we will pick between 21-25)

George Selvie
Derrick Williams
C.J. Spiller

Your choice -Javon Ringer
2. Decent pick. We have Carnell Williams coming back (early reports say he will return) and Dunn might be down for another year. Graham will be back. Add Michael Bennett and you already have 4 RBs on the roster. Where does Ringer fit in?

I put Spiller as a sleeper above because he may be the best player available and he fits into your RB will be a need philosophy (as seen by your choice for the Bucs in the 2nd).

Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 53 (I think we will pick between 21-25)

Fili Moala
Domonique Johnson (Ronde will retire I think, that leaves us with Talib and Buchanon, while Buchanon has been good he is still a nickel CB)


and by "sleeper" I mean players that most people won't expect us to draft.

jayceheathman
10-19-2008, 03:01 AM
I like the Texans pick. Finally we get something different than Knowshon. I am liking Slaton more every week.

d34ng3l021
10-19-2008, 03:09 AM
Buccaneers

Your choice - Michael Johnson
1. Good first round pick. We need all the D-Line talent we can get. Greg White isn't an every down player and Kevin Carter is in his mid thirties. What makes it better is that you didn't take Harvin here, which many are making the mistake of. One of the best three WRs (DHB, MCT, JM) or D-Line. Good job.
Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 21. (I think we will pick between 21-25)
George Selvie
Derrick Williams
C.J. Spiller

Your choice -Javon Ringer
2. Decent pick. We have Carnell Williams coming back (early reports say he will return) and Dunn might be down for another year. Graham will be back. Add Michael Bennett and you already have 4 RBs on the roster. Where does Ringer fit in? I put Spiller as a sleeper above because he may be the best player available and he fits into your RB will be a need philosophy (as seen by your choice for the Bucs in the 2nd).

Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 53 (I think we will pick between 21-25)

Fili Moala
Domonique Johnson (Ronde will retire I think, that leaves us with Talib and Buchanon, while Buchanon has been good he is still a nickel CB)


and by "sleeper" I mean players that most people won't expect us to draft.

Dude get a life. You shouldnt have so much type to format your post.

Bruce Banner
10-19-2008, 03:14 AM
Dude get a life. You shouldnt have so much type to format your post.

EXTREME BOREDOM AT 4 IN THE MORNING.


EDIT: Not worth my "TYPE".

d34ng3l021
10-19-2008, 03:23 AM
EXTREME BOREDOM AT 4 IN THE MORNING.


EDIT: Not worth my "TYPE".

Go to sleep boy.

Bruce Banner
10-19-2008, 03:24 AM
Go to sleep boy.

Ok Matt. I mean Ryan. I mean Deangelo.


Later NFLDC!

d34ng3l021
10-19-2008, 03:25 AM
Ok Matt. I mean Ryan. I mean Deangelo.


Later NFLDC!

lol. Sometimes I do think I get carried away with talking about Matt Ryan.

Bruce Banner
10-19-2008, 03:28 AM
lol. Sometimes I do think I get carried away with talking about Matt Ryan.

A bit, but your sig is too sweet to not reference.

NOW....

Later NFLDC!

Yatta!
10-19-2008, 06:11 AM
Nice mock overall. Solid Packers draft - Hardy is a great pick and the analysis is spot on. OT is obviously a need and Fulton is a TT sort of pick but with Alphonso Smith still on the board, it would be difficult to take an OT.

indyfan1985
10-19-2008, 07:11 AM
Great 1st round pick for the Colts in getting DT Sen Derrick Marks. Interesting how you have us going DT again in the second. However, I think I would rather have Terrance Taylor to play the NT spot for us rather than Jerry. But honestly I dont see us taking DT with the first 2 picks that we have. Plus Marks can play both the UT and NT. We would probably go either OL or WR in the second.

Gay Ork Wang
10-19-2008, 07:47 AM
i really like both picks.

doingthisinsteadofwork
10-19-2008, 09:48 AM
I don't like Oaklands draft.It reminds me to much of our 04 draft.

Smooth Criminal
10-19-2008, 10:13 AM
I would like the Steelers to go CB in the first 2 rounds. Theyre most likely going to let go of McFadden this offseason and Townsend has looked pretty bad this year. We need a guy that can come in and make an impact.

Not anyone really worth a 1st rounder, so OT is a good pick there. Alex Mack would also be a great pick cause Hartwig is not a long term answer.

BackwoodsBoy
10-19-2008, 10:18 AM
I don't think that draft could go any better for the Cleveland Browns. Absolutely perfect.

I like that someone else has Vince Oghobaase as a first rounder finally

Marcus Freeman over James Laurinaitis? No way that'll ever happen.

I like seeing someone else taking notice of Xavier Fulton's high upside and untapped potential.

Good work and actually thinking for yourself. Most people do mocks base everything off of what the media tells them. Looking forward to the next one.

thebow305
10-19-2008, 11:11 AM
Very nice Miami draft! I would be VERY happy with that! Jenkins, Brown, and Chung would be great picks for us!

But you say that you thought Orakpo and Selvie may be reaches at number 8, but I don't think so. Regardless, Greg Hardy or Michael Johnson certainly wouldn't be though and those are bigger possibilities for who we would go with there, or Orakpo.

I LOVE our draft but personally I would switch Jenkins with Orakpo or Hardy and grab Alphonso Smith in the 2nd, along with Chung, which is a good pick either way.

Great work!

Cigaro
10-19-2008, 11:27 AM
With holes on both lines, could you explain why the Panthers would use their first pick late in the second to pick a risky corner prospect who'd likely never make it above dime or nickel unless we unload one of the current top three?

Young Legend
10-19-2008, 11:44 AM
I don't like Oaklands draft.It reminds me to much of our 04 draft.

But the potential is threw the roof.

Smith,Gallery,Mack,McQuistan,Henderson.

nice.

CJSchneider
10-19-2008, 12:10 PM
6. San Francisco 49ers – Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
Good pick. Im not 100% sure Maclin will be the top WR on the boards come draft day, but I agree with the position.

38. San Francisco 49ers – Brian Cushing OLB Southern California
I'm a huge USC fan and I think this guy is a stud, but this is not gonna happen for 2 reasons.
1) We have bigger needs in the second round, namely OL and DE. With Everette Brown so close as well as Loadholt and Merideth at OT, those are more likely to be picked.
2) see my comments below, but I'll end this by saying IMO you have him rated way too low.


14. New Orleans Saints – Chris Wells RB Ohio State
Not no, but hell **** no! Wells is a great college RB, but not what we need, period. with Curry gone one of two things will happen.
1) We would take William Moore outright at that position
2) we'd trade down add picks and get Brian Cushing.

ChiFan24
10-19-2008, 01:14 PM
Sean Witherspoon, not so much. We already have a replacement for Brooking in Stephen Nicholas.

That was more of a value pick. I know they like Nicholas, but I figure they could grab Weatherspoon and let them compete. Maybe Patrick Chung would have been a better pick.

Great 1st round pick for the Colts in getting DT Sen Derrick Marks. Interesting how you have us going DT again in the second. However, I think I would rather have Terrance Taylor to play the NT spot for us rather than Jerry. But honestly I dont see us taking DT with the first 2 picks that we have. Plus Marks can play both the UT and NT. We would probably go either OL or WR in the second.

I still like the idea of another DT since I didn't particularly like anyone else at WR or OL, but in hindsight, you're probably right that Terrance Taylor is the better pick to play the nose.

With holes on both lines, could you explain why the Panthers would use their first pick late in the second to pick a risky corner prospect who'd likely never make it above dime or nickel unless we unload one of the current top three?

It was more about the player than the need, but I figure Chris Gamble could leave in free agency, and Ken Lucas could be gone soon as well. He's probably a project as well, so starting out at nickel wouldn't be a bad thing. I did think about Herman Johnson though.

T-RICH49
10-19-2008, 01:32 PM
solid 2 picks for KC

BeerBaron
10-19-2008, 01:34 PM
excellent Bears picks though I disagree with your reasoning on Duke.

He would likely take the LG spot from Beekman who looks to be our future replacement for Kreutz at C.

ChiFan24
10-19-2008, 02:33 PM
excellent Bears picks though I disagree with your reasoning on Duke.

He would likely take the LG spot from Beekman who looks to be our future replacement for Kreutz at C.

Would you put Beekman on the bench or slide him over to right guard until then? I think he looks better than Garza.

Cigaro
10-19-2008, 02:51 PM
It was more about the player than the need, but I figure Chris Gamble could leave in free agency, and Ken Lucas could be gone soon as well. He's probably a project as well, so starting out at nickel wouldn't be a bad thing. I did think about Herman Johnson though.

When making a mock, don't just make players a pick for some team just because you think they'll be picked in that range. If Herman Johnson is on the board, no way we pick a guy who'd only come in on passing downs over him.

ChiFan24
10-19-2008, 02:58 PM
When making a mock, don't just make players a pick for some team just because you think they'll be picked in that range. If Herman Johnson is on the board, no way we pick a guy who'd only come in on passing downs over him.

I know how to make a mock. When I make a mock, I try to project each team's board at that particular pick (obviously its a little more complicated when I do trades). When I made the pick, I thought Carolina would find him too good to pass on. And there's a precedent for Carolina taking a nickelback early, they did it with Richard Marshall.

I'm not saying you're wrong about them picking Herman Johnson, but I had a reason for making that pick.

Cigaro
10-19-2008, 03:01 PM
I know how to make a mock. When I make a mock, I try to project each team's board at that particular pick (obviously its a little more complicated when I do trades). When I made the pick, I thought Carolina would find him too good to pass on. And there's a precedent for Carolina taking a nickelback early, they did it with Richard Marshall.

I'm not saying you're wrong about them picking Herman Johnson, but I had a reason for making that pick.

We picked Richard Marshall because we needed him. Now we've got three solid corners, and holes at guard and defensive tackle. I doubt we decide to make possibly four solid corners instead of filling a line spot.

BeerBaron
10-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Would you put Beekman on the bench or slide him over to right guard until then? I think he looks better than Garza.

well, it's my understanding that in our style of offense, the LG is the one who needs to be more athletic and do more pulling and whatnot...

Garza at RG just needs to put his head down and drive forward on most rushing plays.

I'd rather have Duke next to Williams on the left side and find a future RT in the 3rd-4th round range where we could get someone pretty easily i would think.

Scotty D
10-19-2008, 04:07 PM
Selvie would be a better pick for the Lions with their late first rounder. We should not pass him up there.

Alex Mack, Jamon Meredith, Alphonso Smith would all be better second round picks as well.

scottyboy
10-19-2008, 05:20 PM
If that Giants draft happened, I'd do harm to my body.

Selvie? REALLY? most over-rated prospect right now. gets shut down against the uper echelon of OT's in college, and just blows. We don't need a 4th DE round one, especially one that sucks.

I GUESS we could take a OL prospect round 2, try and develop him, I guess.

And the other 2nd rounder is a good position fit, get us a big young DT body, but his character concerns, well frankly, concern me. But if Reese picks him, I trust him.

RaiderNation
10-19-2008, 06:41 PM
After seeing the game today, a LT is our biggest need no doubt, so Smith is a good pick

2nd rounder is good but C isnt that big of a need. Our oline is solid except for our LT so picking oline 2 rounds in a row is a waste. Give us a WR,OLB, or dline

Go_Eagles77
10-19-2008, 07:23 PM
What do you have against the eagles?

ChiFan24
10-19-2008, 07:57 PM
What do you have against the eagles?

Nothing actually. They're just always an incredibly boring team to pick for in a mock draft. It's always the same needs, you get yelled at for giving them linebackers, and you really can't do anything creative with them, because they never do anything creative (except for when they picked a QB they didn't need). Which is evidenced by the fact that the mock I made for them is the same as every other mock that everyone else has made for them.

Also, most importantly, I was tired.

Sniper
10-19-2008, 08:24 PM
After he destroys the combine, people won’t question Davis over Oher or Monroe.

If you're in the top 5, chances are good that you need an LT. Hard to justify a CB over a LT.

Andre Smith OT Alabama
As much as I like Oher, Smith is right on his tail. He’s not quite as quick on his feet

Um, what?

20. Philadelphia Eagles – William Moore FS Missouri
It could just as easily be Taylor Mays here but…you know what? I’m tired, and the Eagles are boring. Go Phillies.

Fine. Him or Mays works.

29. Philadelphia Eagles (f/Car) – Ciron Black OT Louisiana State
Yawn.

Okay.

33. Detroit Lions – Derrick Williams WR Penn State
Roy Williams is gone and the Mike Martz duo of Shaun McDonald and Mike Furrey isn’t shouldn’t be starting in this league. Williams gives the Lions an ultra-talented receiver to pair with Calvin Johnson and return kicks.

Hey, remember the last time Williams was good at WR? Nope, me neither. 1 career 100 yard game (Temple), 6 career receiving touchdowns? Reeks of fourth round or worse.

52. Philadelphia Eagles – Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin
They can use him how they use Smith.

Wonderful pick. He can't block, but neither can Smith. As long as he catches the ball better than LJ, I don't care about his blocking.

P-L
10-19-2008, 08:32 PM
Stafford is a good pick. We need a QB, and right now he's the best.

I'm not a fan of Laurinaitis, but I actually think he fits our defense well. Also, 25 is right around where I think he should go. I can't complain about the pick.

I don't think we should go receiver, at least not that early. Williams' stock has been rising but with much bigger needs at DE and LT, we should look elsewhere.

TimD
10-19-2008, 08:59 PM
I was looking at the Jets draft history in the Mangini era and I found interesting information. Mangini has been the coach for 3 drafts and has had 9 picks inside the top 3 rounds. Out of those 9 picks they've selected 1 QB, 1 TE/WR, 2 OL, 3 LB, 1 CB, and 1 SS. So the Jets have basically ignored 2 of the most important positions in football for the draft (RB/WR), and in FA have only added 1 of those. Id be willing to bet no other team has done this. I know a big part of the game is won in the trenches, but if Mangini is still the coach this offseason he MUST take a "skill position" be it a RB or WR.

Go_Eagles77
10-19-2008, 09:41 PM
Nothing actually. They're just always an incredibly boring team to pick for in a mock draft. It's always the same needs, you get yelled at for giving them linebackers, and you really can't do anything creative with them, because they never do anything creative (except for when they picked a QB they didn't need). Which is evidenced by the fact that the mock I made for them is the same as every other mock that everyone else has made for them.

Also, most importantly, I was tired.

Fair enough, although that Kevin Kolb pick will pay off in the future, haha. Anyway I do like your eagles picks a lot, like you said they are our biggest needs and the BPA of those positions.

Sniper
10-19-2008, 09:44 PM
Nothing actually. They're just always an incredibly boring team to pick for in a mock draft. It's always the same needs, you get yelled at for giving them linebackers, and you really can't do anything creative with them, because they never do anything creative (except for when they picked a QB they didn't need). Which is evidenced by the fact that the mock I made for them is the same as every other mock that everyone else has made for them.

Also, most importantly, I was tired.

Well, you could give them a SLB, because Gocong sucks, but the Eagles love him, so I don't know...

Matthew Jones
10-19-2008, 10:23 PM
Second round pick is fine, would prefer William Moore in the first.

Menardo75
10-20-2008, 12:15 AM
I love the Cushing pick. The Maclin pick is ok. I would much rather have an OT like Monroe the next pick. I would be ok with it though.

Diehard
10-20-2008, 12:20 AM
While I can see Shanahan considering a corner early if he's the best defensive player available, there's no way Denver goes for defensive backs with their first two picks.

Adding a bunch of guys to the secondary isn't going to do squat unless the front 7 play better. Not one of our DE's is an every down, starting caliber player. Out DT's are mediocre at best. The LB's may be fast, but they're lacking in football smarts and whiff on tackles all too often. It's not like there's a whole lot of "potential" there either. Only at WLB do I think we have things set - with DJ locked in as a starter and Woodyard showing some promise.

CashmoneyDrew
10-20-2008, 12:37 AM
Chris Johnson + Percy Harvin + a healthy and good VY = fastest offense in the NFL.

dunagan15
10-20-2008, 01:39 AM
Michael Crabtree. Great pick.

Sean Witherspoon, not so much. We already have a replacement for Brooking in Stephen Nicholas.

agreed, while I do love Sean as a player we have Nicholas.

vidae
10-20-2008, 02:31 AM
Solid KC picks. Would prefer Stafford, but I like Bradford as well.

bored of education
10-20-2008, 04:44 PM
good kc picks

don5252
10-20-2008, 04:49 PM
great first round pick for the bills. the bills havent valued tight ends ever but id say they might go for one in the second. if not tight end center. i cant see them going defensive tackle in the 2nd with how kyle williams and marcus stroud are playing. theirs just greater needs

fenikz
10-20-2008, 11:04 PM
pretty good grasp of the cardinals needs, one thing to consider is that Graves always picks BPA, it seems like he is reading this site sometimes and just chooses who scott has on top of the list

TaylorMade
10-21-2008, 10:50 PM
great job on the mock overall, the redskins pick works for sure.

rockio42
10-21-2008, 11:04 PM
I agree with Vontae Davis as maybe the top CB prospsect and maybe even a top 5 guy but I DO NOT want Davis for the Rams, partly because an OT would be perfect for the Rams and partly because I don't want another guy who gets the majority of his hype from things like 40 time and the combine because thats the main reason Tye Hill ended up being our pick back in '06

eaglesalltheway
10-23-2008, 07:16 AM
You addressed all our needs here, the biggest ones, and I like it. Black is a good pick in that situation, htough if Jason Smith would be available he may be a better option IMO. William Moore is worthy of an "I love you". Beckum is at a position of need, but personally, I think Coffman would be better for our pick in the second. I personally don't think he will last that long, but you have him towards the bottom of the second, and I think he would be a better pick than Beckum.

etk
10-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Buccaneers

Your choice - Michael Johnson
1. Good first round pick. We need all the D-Line talent we can get. Greg White isn't an every down player and Kevin Carter is in his mid thirties. What makes it better is that you didn't take Harvin here, which many are making the mistake of. One of the best three WRs (DHB, MCT, JM) or D-Line. Good job.
Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 21. (I think we will pick between 21-25)

George Selvie
Derrick Williams
C.J. Spiller

Your choice -Javon Ringer
2. Decent pick. We have Carnell Williams coming back (early reports say he will return) and Dunn might be down for another year. Graham will be back. Add Michael Bennett and you already have 4 RBs on the roster. Where does Ringer fit in?

I put Spiller as a sleeper above because he may be the best player available and he fits into your RB will be a need philosophy (as seen by your choice for the Bucs in the 2nd).

Sleepers, based on who you have left available at spot 53 (I think we will pick between 21-25)

Fili Moala
Domonique Johnson (Ronde will retire I think, that leaves us with Talib and Buchanon, while Buchanon has been good he is still a nickel CB)


and by "sleeper" I mean players that most people won't expect us to draft.

Where do I start with your first round assessment?

"We need all the Dline talent we can get". While it is true that we need more pass rush help, Johnson does not fit in the mix, especially not in the 1st round. Gaines Adams and Greg White are both edge-rushing RDEs. Johnson would be nothing but a backup to a backup (White). Greg White is not an every-down player at LDE, but neither is Johnson. In fact, Johnson is nothing but a situational pass rusher on his own medicore GT squad, and has produced little to nothing in over 3 years. Like you said, Kevin Carter is old and nearing his end, so we need a replacement at LE that can play the run and pass. Sen'Derrick Marks and Tyson Jackson can fill that role.

What makes the pick awful is that he didn't take Harvin. Harvin is exactly the player we need. A deep threat to replace Joey Galloway, who can not only stretch the field but also catch underneath routes and take them the distance. We need big plays and Harvin is the best of the best. He has the size, speed, quickness, balance, vision. He's a natural playmaker and exactly what this offense needs, period. He can also return kicks and punts effectively, unlike Dexter Jackson who has essentially failed in the role that's meant for a guy like Harvin. Drafting Harvin is no mistake, and he is easily part of the big 3 along with Crabtree and Maclin. Heyward-Bey is a step below these 3 because he's very straight-linish and raw. A taller Troy Williamson.

I like George Selvie a lot, but he's no different from Johnson. We don't need a role player like that in the 1st. Derrick Williams is not a 1st round talent and struggles to make plays. He would be just another mediocre WCO receiver. CJ Spiller is a very good back and I would support that pick if Cadillac is finished.

Ringer is a bad pick. Any Bucs fan could agree. Moala doesn't fit the defense either. He's tall, skinny and stiff. Dre Moore without the motor problems. Moala gets abused in the run game and that's not what we look for in a NT. We want the stocky Hovan types.

I have no problems with drafting a corner. Ronde is starting to suck. Talib looks good but he's always a ? so it wouldn't hurt to have a good #3 at the very least.

Bruce Banner
10-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Good analysis.

Still NO Percy Harvin!

giantsfan
10-24-2008, 04:36 PM
I would cry if we could grab Selvie, Meredith and Moala. Gives us a legit third OT, a 4th DE to make sure even if we get a major injury we'll be able to get pressure on passing downs with our three DEs and Moala helps our run D and gives us more depth to rotate the big boys inside. If we could find a SS in the third I'd be completely giddy, although I think we might end up using Kenny P at SS and letting Michael Johnson roam at FS.

giantsfan
10-24-2008, 04:43 PM
If that Giants draft happened, I'd do harm to my body.

Selvie? REALLY? most over-rated prospect right now. gets shut down against the uper echelon of OT's in college, and just blows. We don't need a 4th DE round one, especially one that sucks.

I GUESS we could take a OL prospect round 2, try and develop him, I guess.

And the other 2nd rounder is a good position fit, get us a big young DT body, but his character concerns, well frankly, concern me. But if Reese picks him, I trust him.

Selvie's incredibly quick and explosive and with our coaching staff would develop into a monster pass rushing weapon. We need pass rushing depth and Selvie's a great pick for that. A guy with Selvie's potential would be the only type of 4th DE I'd want.

Meredith could be worth our first round pick by the draft and he's a legit LT prospect. He could beat out Seubert or McKenzie as a Rookie and Eventually let Diehl move to RT where he'd be even better.

Moala'd fit and he works hard.

Sniper
10-24-2008, 04:51 PM
Derrick Williams


Why why why why why why why? For someone so intelligent, this is one of the dumbest posts of all time.

619
10-24-2008, 04:53 PM
Good Raiders draft though you are right about Smith not being the most ideal fit for the ZBS. Mack in the second is just awesome !

etk
10-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Good analysis.

Still NO Percy Harvin!

haha. He's only a Junior, and we can leave these arguments for 2009. It seemed like the DeSean Jackson debates went on for years anyway. I don't know why I post in the mock draft threads during the season anyway. So pointless with what's ahead.

Why why why why why why why? For someone so intelligent, this is one of the dumbest posts of all time.

lol.

BuckDawg23
10-26-2008, 12:19 AM
Great Browns picks, OLB and RB are huge needs for us and I like Orakpo.. Scott would be a good 2nd round pick

giantsfan
10-26-2008, 03:55 AM
I was looking at the Jets draft history in the Mangini era and I found interesting information. Mangini has been the coach for 3 drafts and has had 9 picks inside the top 3 rounds. Out of those 9 picks they've selected 1 QB, 1 TE/WR, 2 OL, 3 LB, 1 CB, and 1 SS. So the Jets have basically ignored 2 of the most important positions in football for the draft (RB/WR), and in FA have only added 1 of those. Id be willing to bet no other team has done this. I know a big part of the game is won in the trenches, but if Mangini is still the coach this offseason he MUST take a "skill position" be it a RB or WR.

I completely disagree with the notion that Rb and WR are positions it is important to draft early. The giants are currently a top 5 rushing offense we have a fourth rounder heading a tio featuring a 7th rounder and an UDFA at RB. Denver has created a tradition out of passing on runners early. An elite talent at RB is really not necessary if you have the oline to play to a RBs strengths.

Same can be said for a WR that less overall talented receivers can flourish if you have the oline and quarterback. The oline gives them more time to get open and the better quarterback will be more able to take advantage of whatever strengths the WRs do have.

So I just guess I disagree with the notion that it's important to draft skill position guys early. especially if you consider that there have been plenty of late rounders in the NFL who've had success at that position and even played in multiple probowls.

Bruce Banner
10-26-2008, 08:05 AM
Why why why why why why why? For someone so intelligent, this is one of the dumbest posts of all time.

I'm willing to overlook the lack of production!

Ok....maybe I shouldn't......he makes about the same impact as a 4th rounder!

Sniper
10-26-2008, 08:09 AM
I'm willing to overlook the lack of production!

Ok....maybe I shouldn't......he makes about the same impact as a 4th rounder!

I'd say that's insulting to a 4th rounder.

summond822
10-26-2008, 09:55 AM
7. Seattle Seahawks – Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
I had trouble picking between Monroe and Crabtree, but eventually I settled on the better value. Crabtree would be a great fit for Seattle’s WCO as a replacement for Deion Branch, but I’m going with Monroe, who can make the expensive, injury prone Walter Jones expendable, and give the team a new, more mobile LT for the offense to build around.

I actually like this draft for Seattle. Eugene Monroe is possibly a best case scenario, though I wouldn't sleep on the Seahawks taking a player like Malcolm Jenkins, Taylor Mays, or Aaron Curry. If we get Monroe in the draft I would be extremely happy drafting the replacement to Walter Jones.

Jenkins because other than Trufant, we don't have any starting caliber corners IMO.

Mays cause he's a hometown kid and if he can stay at safety then he could potentially be an upgrade to Russel or Grant. (Moore is probably a better pick if we were trying to upgrade but Mays is from Washington so...)

Curry because I am starting to believe the Seahawks have little chance of resigning Leroy Hill, and our depth at the LB position is ridiculously weak.

39. Seattle Seahawks – Louis Murphy WR Florida
Would have gone with Colt McCoy, but instead a physically gifted receiver to replace Branch and/or Engram down the line.

I don't really know much about Murphy at the time, but he fits the position. It is interesting that you talk about giving the Seahawks McCoy, this is really the first time I've even thought of him coming out...we'll have to see come draft time.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-26-2008, 11:02 AM
Crabtree is perfect. If you gave us Beckum in the 2nd, our offense would be truely orgasmic.

tfry
10-27-2008, 10:23 AM
I don't think the Rams have the luxury of drafting a developmental QB in round 2. Bulger is fine when he has an offensive line. Give us Monroe in round 1 and Cushing in round 2 or the best DB available.

rockio42
10-27-2008, 10:40 AM
I don't think the Rams have the luxury of drafting a developmental QB in round 2. Bulger is fine when he has an offensive line. Give us Monroe in round 1 and Cushing in round 2 or the best DB available.

I agree with that, and if you give us Davis in the first than we need Jamon Meridith in the second, we can't aford to not draft a OT in the top 2 rounds (unless there is one in FA, but no one is letting go of them these days so i doubt it)

Number 10
10-27-2008, 02:28 PM
You spent time on this, I respect that. I'll spend time on my response.

-If Colt McCoy comes out, I doubt he will, but if he does...he'll make sure he is slated to be a top 15 pick. He won't leave Texas to become a 2nd rounder.

-You have Gresham too high. He isn't the kind of player that goes in the top 10. He doesn't move very well and his hands are inconsistent. You can find tight ends like that later in the draft. I think Minny would go O-Line (Robinson) or WR (Crabtree) there.

-Neither Taylor Mays or Marcus Freeman are 1st round talents. I'm not even sure they are 2nd round talents to be honest.

-I can't see Cushing dropping past all those teams that are in need of a LB. I think he gets taken A LOT higher than some of you guys think because he can play almost any role within any scheme with the exception of the weak side in a Tampa 2.

asmitty45
10-27-2008, 07:21 PM
I would cry if this first round happened for the Lions, i'd be so happy

iloxygenil
10-29-2008, 12:42 PM
Falcons in that situation I think would go with Alphonso Smith, I know he's small but he doesn't play 5'9 in any way shape or form, he's a stud.

Menardo75
10-29-2008, 02:12 PM
If a top Rt is available in round two then I would be ok with Maclin. Really like Cushing but much rather have an OT.

Borat
10-29-2008, 02:44 PM
"good/bad (insert team- 49ers) mock,"

BaLLiN
11-02-2008, 06:22 AM
31. New York Giants – George Selvie DE South Florida
People are going to say Selvie went too low, but I’m not sure this is low enough. 6-4, 242 is pretty horrific size from a 4-3 DE, and I don’t see him blowing by tackles the way he does in the Big East. Regardless, the Giants love their DE’s, and this gives them the option of moving Kiwanuka back to SLB.

46. New York Giants (f/NO) – Jamon Meredith OT/OG South Carolina
Is a potential left tackle, but is also getting experience at guard.

48. New England Patriots – Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
The Patriots drafted Wheatley and Wilhite last year, and they’ll both develop into serviceable corners, but they’re not done adding youth.

63. New York Giants – Fili Moala DT Southern California
A bit of a character concern, but a ton of talent.


I like this draft, but with Olivea we already have a guy like Meredith with experience. Alphonso Smith has alot of talent to be our Slot guy so we can keep Ross and Webster on the outside, use Dockery as a dime or sub nickel and if we need to put Terrell Thomas on the outside when needed