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CC.SD
10-22-2008, 07:29 PM
He's expressed an interest in the last couple seasons, particularly if some GM responsibility came with it.

What does everyone think?

I think the Lions could do a whole helluva lot worse, although I'm not sure he's in for another rebuilding project. Cowboys might seem like a mismatch if Wade bites the dust, given Marty's rep for not winning the big game, but honestly I think his temperament could do them some good.

Vikes99ej
10-22-2008, 07:34 PM
I can dream...

nikkayeah
10-22-2008, 08:36 PM
future niner

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-22-2008, 08:37 PM
I don't think Shottenheimer was ever in the NFL. Schottenheimer might though :wink:

But yeah, I think he deserves another chance, his problem was bringing a team OVER the hump, but a lot of teams out there need someone to get them to said hump before they can worry about getting over it.

PoopSandwich
10-22-2008, 08:39 PM
If that one db had just kneeled after the freakin interception instead of letting Brown knock the ball loose Marty may have a ring right now.

FuzzyGopher
10-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Hopefully to coach the Vikings. He is 65 so he isn't that old really and he could build a team up for 4 or 5 years than turn it over and retire.

awfullyquiet
10-22-2008, 11:54 PM
Marty has tons of time left on his clock, brings a good offensive scheme that's compatible with a bunch of struggling teams right now.

I'd actually really like to see him in minnesota.

Bruce Banner
10-22-2008, 11:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball

Schottenheimer emphasizes offensive attacks that work as follows:

* First down: a rushing play.
* Second down: another rushing play.
* Third down: a pass attempt.
* Fourth down: punt (or field goal, if within range).

awfullyquiet
10-23-2008, 12:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Ball

And? your point is?

Menardo75
10-23-2008, 02:38 AM
And? your point is?

Marty Ball BABY!

EvilMonkey
10-23-2008, 05:45 AM
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/drew/archives/drew0116ruffb.gif

T-RICH49
10-23-2008, 06:02 AM
mark it Herm's getting canned and Marty's coming back

PACKmanN
10-23-2008, 08:48 AM
http://69.90.174.250/photos/display_pic_with_logo/426/426,1099695894,4.jpg

awfullyquiet
10-23-2008, 09:51 AM
mark it Herm's getting canned and Marty's coming back

isn't that like. deja vu?

DeathbyStat
10-23-2008, 10:50 AM
mark it Herm's getting canned and Marty's coming back

Not like it would make a difference they are pratically the same guy

Pb&j
10-23-2008, 11:03 AM
isn't that like. deja vu?

Actually, Romeo Crennelephant gets canned and they bring Marty back to finish what he started!

awfullyquiet
10-23-2008, 11:04 AM
Actually, Romeo Crennelephant gets canned and they bring Marty back to finish what he started!

World Domination?

Pb&j
10-23-2008, 11:07 AM
World Domination?

No, actually winning an AFCCG.

leroyisgod
10-23-2008, 02:48 PM
I think Marty would make a great GM for a team in the NFL. As a coach I think he's done and the game has passed him by.

Gay Ork Wang
10-23-2008, 02:49 PM
No, actually winning an AFCCG.
how about getting to the playoffs?

btw i feel like Marty would fit in Minnesota

619
10-23-2008, 02:53 PM
I think Marty would make a great GM for a team in the NFL. As a coach I think he's done and the game has passed him by.

Uhmmm what was his record in his last season again ? Talented team no doubt but c'mon.

CashmoneyDrew
10-23-2008, 03:41 PM
Is a fat baby funky?

awfullyquiet
10-23-2008, 03:46 PM
how about getting to the playoffs?

btw i feel like Marty would fit in Minnesota

I think it's funny. Go look at the coaching trees, the issue is is that Childress uses a bastardized version of martyball which is inherently worse.

Bucs_Rule
10-23-2008, 05:06 PM
I heard he'd only come back as a coach for a contender to try to win a SB. With his record that will never happen. He'll be given a chance as a GM somewhere.

Mr. Stiller
10-23-2008, 05:35 PM
And? your point is?

Cowher was in 2 superbowls, Winning 1 and having one of the best records during his tenure in the NFL..

Largely due to having a great defense and utilizing Marty Ball.

Something like 120-2-1 when leading by 11 at the half.


Schottenheimer likes the 3-4 so.. I'm guessing a return to cleveland.



Cleveland has a strong OL, Hard runner, possible future Franchise QB, the framework for a tough defense, excellent ST's.


Bring him in this year, sign a Vet WR or 2.. Trade Winslow and Edwards, draft another heavy Runner to eventually take over for Jamal Lewis and build up that defense.


With Schotty, I think that Cleveland could be a force in a year or 2. Provided that they work together.

awfullyquiet
10-23-2008, 05:37 PM
no. martyball is normally used 'derogatorily' (accd to the wiki article), hence the and your point is comment...

I personally love it. Time Management and good Defense win lots of games.

Mr. Stiller
10-23-2008, 05:48 PM
no. martyball is normally used 'derogatorily' (accd to the wiki article), hence the and your point is comment...

I personally love it. Time Management and good Defense win lots of games.

I have had my issues with "Marty Ball" due to the fact that it lost us some key games.

It's great to get you to the big show, but to win you have to have some semblance of Balance (Unless your the best single season defense in the history of the game).

Problem is, if the defense can sell out to shut down your run game because your QB is Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, Neil O'Donnell, Kent Graham...

If you have a solid talented QB, a top notch OL, reliable (Not necessarily good) WR's and a top notch defense (top 10)...

Marty Ball will take you to the AFCCG every year.... Having the ability to be balanced in the championships will bring home the lombardi.


All in all I loved Marty Ball. But I did hate when you couldn't do anything because they shut down your run game.

T-RICH49
10-24-2008, 10:22 AM
Not like it would make a difference they are pratically the same guy

actually Marty unlike Herm knows how to get a team ready.Herm is so clueless is sad really.our best years came with Marty at the helm

bigbluedefense
10-24-2008, 09:11 PM
he should. Marty is one of the most underrated and unappreciated HCs of all time.

I credit his lack of playoff success more to terrible luck than poor coaching. He can coach. And he can turn around a franchise.

CC.SD
10-25-2008, 12:31 PM
he should. Marty is one of the most underrated and unappreciated HCs of all time.

I credit his lack of playoff success more to terrible luck than poor coaching. He can coach. And he can turn around a franchise.

The Marty playoff experience is very difficult to judge. On the one hand, there definitely have been some extremely flukey, mind numbingly bizarre plays that have knocked him out. You can't possibly blame him for things like The Fumble, or Marlon McCree's 4th down interception and fumble, etc. etc. etc.

However, over the years I do think the lack of playoff success has affected the way he coaches in the postseason--In the two times he took the Bolts to the playoffs, they looked and played noticeably more rigid, and the fact is there were plenty of iffy coaching decisions. The pressure over the decades has become very difficult to ignore for his players.

I still think he is one of the most underrated coaches of all time though, and agree that he deserves more appreciation. I hope he comes back.

renegade
10-25-2008, 12:56 PM
I think so.

His only problem is he runs too much. If your looking to start to rebuild a franchise I think he is your guy. IMO the way you build a team is from the inside out and through the running game which is something Marty does.

My evidence is this:
Take a look at the Dolphins this season, Bill Parcells rebuilt the defensive and offensive fronts and now they are much better than last year. They also run alot more which another reason the Dolphins are better.

CC.SD
10-25-2008, 12:58 PM
I think so.

His only problem is he runs too much. If your looking to start to rebuild a franchise I think he is your guy. IMO the way you build a team is from the inside out and through the running game which is something Marty does.

My evidence is this:
Take a look at the Dolphins this season, Bill Parcells rebuilt the defensive and offensive fronts and now they are much better than last year. They also run alot more which another reason the Dolphins are better.

Marty gets a bad rap for running too much. With the Browns he had Earnest Byner, with the Chiefs he had Marcus Allen, and with the Chargers he had LT. I'd run a lot too.

Brent
10-25-2008, 01:03 PM
I remember this interview once where it was Brees and LT talking about Marty Ball and Brees was smiling like, "LT first, second and maybe third down, too." And then the cut to LT who is says with a huge smile, "I love Marty Ball."

But to answer the question, I said no. I think he's run his cycle in the NFL.

renegade
10-25-2008, 01:23 PM
Marty gets a bad rap for running too much. With the Browns he had Earnest Byner, with the Chiefs he had Marcus Allen, and with the Chargers he had LT. I'd run a lot too.

Yeah but at some point you have to pass a little bit. I'd run alot as well but not as much as Marty. I mean you have to throw the defense a curve ball at some point. I like running games much more than passing games but you still have to pass so that the defense doesn't know whats coming.