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bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 09:36 AM
-I was curious to see that Titans defense firsthand. I must say, i was very impressed with the coverage of that defense. They rarely blitz, a run a ton of zone, theyre almost a pseudo Cover 2 team, but the coverage windows are tight which is impressive for a defense built with big strong guys, and their rush is impressive even without KVB. That defense is built around Haynesworth, he means everything to them. If youre gonna score on that defense, youre gonna have to throw into some tight windows. Its not a defense that beats you with scheme, they just have great players. Theyre physical and savy, they know how to play zone and be physical in their zone coverage, redirecting routes and playing smart.

-For all the Shawn Merriman naysayers: Remember how Merriman was the product of the scheme? How he benefits from a killer group of guys around him? How Tucker will slide right in, how Shaun Phillips helps him out so much on the other side and he isn't the focal point of the offense's protection schemes and benefits from it?

The Chargers are ranked 28th in total defense, DEAD LAST (32) in pass defense without him. Ive always said that the players around Merriman benefit from him, not the other way around. And the results speak for themselves. Wheres Phillips this year? Castillo? Where are all these guys that made Merriman better? It seems to me theyve taken a huge dive in production without Merriman. Those were the guys that benefited from Merriman. Without him, theyre not half the players they superficially look like with him. I said Shawne Merriman is the most impactful pass rusher in the league, and many disagreed with me, and rightfully so, but look at that defense without him, and how different it is and tell me Im wrong now.

-Im honestly not impressed with the Redskins. I know they have a great record, and beat some good teams, but i just don't see it. The Eagles and Cowboys still scare me as a Giant fan more than the Skins do. They just don't look impressive to me. I think some close games recently is the reason why. Perhaps teams are getting some film on Zorn and his DC and slowing them down? I really have no valid reason for being a doubter right now, but Im just not sold on them.

-The Colts are in trouble. Theyre not going to make the playoffs this year. Its going to be really weird not seeing Peyton in the playoffs. And Marvin Harrison is washed up.

-Whats the deal with Joey Porter? He's playing his best football in years. I thought he was all but washed up but he's having a hell of a year. Sparano is doing a great job with that team as well.

-Not only is Aaron Rodgers better than Brett Favre this year, but so is Chad Pennington. Yup...Chad Pennington. Favre is playing terrible, and is so overrated this year its not even funny. Throw 3 picks. Oh thats just Brett being Brett. ********. That might slide in GB, but NY fans will not be ok with that. Jets fans shouldve booed him even more than they did. He's been terrible.

And so has the coaching. Mangini has been awful this year. He has plenty of talent on that team, but its not living up to expectations. A lot of it is to appease to Favre and let him wing it all day. The offensive game plans are terrible.

Oh and I guess Vernon Gholston was serious when he said that he plans on helping the Jets win games next year. Bc he hasn't done **** this year.

-I don't get why ppl want to kill the Titans bc they have Kerry Collins at qb. Why? What makes you think Collins can't take this team to the SB? He's done it once before, went to the NFC Championship game once b4 too. Collins is a winner in a game managing role. He can take this team to the SB. He's not as bad as ppl think he is. He can ride the bus. And he can make clutch throws. Collins is a winner.

-The Pittsburgh Steelers have the best front 7 in football. Probably the best defense, i give them the slight edge over Tennessee. Theyre my preliminary favorite to go to the SB out of the AFC. Although Tennessee is really close in my personal rankings. Id LOVE to see those 2 teams go at it.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 09:40 AM
Farve's wife is making it worse by blogging on her family blog saying that NY fans are being hard on Brett.. Welcome to NY hun! The media is going to on their knees like they were in GB for you.

bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 09:42 AM
Farve's wife is making it worse by blogging on her family blog saying that NY fans are being hard on Brett.. Welcome to NY hun! The media is going to on their knees like they were in GB for you.

his wife needs to **** and realize shes not a queen like she was in GB. no one here cares what she thinks.

keylime_5
10-28-2008, 09:55 AM
Tennessee matches up great with the Steelers. Pittsburgh is gonna continue to have trouble with teams who have great front sevens due to their offensive line concerns and the fact that Roethlisberger is prone to taking sacks a lot anyhow. I think Tennessee is definitely the odds on favorite to go the the super bowl for the AFC right now.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 10:01 AM
his wife needs to **** and realize shes not a queen like she was in GB. no one here cares what she thinks.

Yeah, I agree, but imagine being the King and Queen of GB and thinking you can do that in NY and the NY media stop being the NY media just for her. A-Rod is a first ballot hall of famer, and some can argue one of the best players EVER to play, and he gets ripped, booed, and chased around town with no privacy. If Brett and his wife think they can get GB treatment here they are mistaken. Blogging about it perhaps isn't the smartest thing either.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 10:03 AM
Tennessee matches up great with the Steelers. Pittsburgh is gonna continue to have trouble with teams who have great front sevens due to their offensive line concerns and the fact that Roethlisberger is prone to taking sacks a lot anyhow. I think Tennessee is definitely the odds on favorite to go the the super bowl for the AFC right now.

Yeah I like their chances but then again anything can happen. What teams do now can change in bright spotlight of the playoffs. Plus if a team gets hot anything can happen then at that point. Plus with Kerry Collins anything can happen. Probably of the streakest QBs I ever seen. And for the record I hated the guy when he was with us.

Geo
10-28-2008, 10:06 AM
-The Colts are in trouble. Theyre not going to make the playoffs this year. Its going to be really weird not seeing Peyton in the playoffs. And Marvin Harrison is washed up.
I still like their chances of making a run to get a wild card spot, however it doesn't surprise me if others would write them off already.

Colts' next four games are critical: vs NE (SNF), @ PIT, vs HOU, and @ SD (SNF). Tough sledding, but if the offense can keep improving and the defensive line can get to the quarterback, they have a chance to win every game. They can afford to lose one and maybe even two of those games, although obviously the margin for error afterwards becomes thinner.

I thought the Colts played the Titans well last night, so I came away not so negative. The Titans' OL usually does keep the Colts' DL from contact on the QB, but not every OL on that schedule can say the same. Nor boast the same pass defense.

bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 10:38 AM
Tennessee matches up great with the Steelers. Pittsburgh is gonna continue to have trouble with teams who have great front sevens due to their offensive line concerns and the fact that Roethlisberger is prone to taking sacks a lot anyhow. I think Tennessee is definitely the odds on favorite to go the the super bowl for the AFC right now.

to be fair to the Steelers, they match up well too. They have just as good of a defense, better pass rush, just as good at stopping the run, and theyre going against the inferior qb. it would be one hell of a game to see. i can see it going either way.

Yeah I like their chances but then again anything can happen. What teams do now can change in bright spotlight of the playoffs. Plus if a team gets hot anything can happen then at that point. Plus with Kerry Collins anything can happen. Probably of the streakest QBs I ever seen. And for the record I hated the guy when he was with us.

funny thing about Collins: during the Eli draft, i was heavily opposed to drafting a qb. i loved Collins and wanted Robert Gallery. Boy was I wrong.

I still like the guy though. I think he gets a bad wrap.

I still like their chances of making a run to get a wild card spot, however it doesn't surprise me if others would write them off already.

Colts' next four games are critical: vs NE (SNF), @ PIT, vs HOU, and @ SD (SNF). Tough sledding, but if the offense can keep improving and the defensive line can get to the quarterback, they have a chance to win every game. They can afford to lose one and maybe even two of those games, although obviously the margin for error afterwards becomes thinner.

I thought the Colts played the Titans well last night, so I came away not so negative. The Titans' OL usually does keep the Colts' DL from contact on the QB, but not every OL on that schedule can say the same. Nor boast the same pass defense.

Its going to be tough. The Colts are just too skinny in the trenches for my liking. They made up for it in year's past with dominant skill position play, but they don't have that anymore.

I do agree that they did play them well though. And Indy was outcoached badly.

diabsoule
10-28-2008, 11:13 AM
It's tough for me to peg the Steelers in the Super Bowl as of right now but which other team other than Tennessee could you put there? Buffalo? I think it's possible but they need to step it up a notch. Denver? Not with that rush defense. I could continue...

Getting back to my point about the Steelers, though. Injuries are what's going to keep Blitzburgh out of the Super Bowl. That and that fact that the offensive line can't pass block enough to keep Big Ben from playing on his back. Roethlisberger is almost being hit, hurried, and harasses as much as David Carr was and it's been shown effective that if you can get pressure on Big Ben then you can stop the Steelers offense.

I did call it this year about Mewelde Moore being a pivotal piece in that offense. I've always liked him as a player (possibly due to him being a local product) but I've seen untapped potential in him and he's showing what he can do now that he's the #1 back for Pittsburgh.

terribletowel39
10-28-2008, 11:17 AM
to be fair to the Steelers, they match up well too. They have just as good of a defense, better pass rush, just as good at stopping the run, and theyre going against the inferior qb. it would be one hell of a game to see. i can see it going either way.
They play each other week 16. I just hope the Titans haven't shored up the #1 seed by then and are actually playing some football still.

bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 11:18 AM
It's tough for me to peg the Steelers in the Super Bowl as of right now but which other team other than Tennessee could you put there? Buffalo? I think it's possible but they need to step it up a notch. Denver? Not with that rush defense. I could continue...

Getting back to my point about the Steelers, though. Injuries are what's going to keep Blitzburgh out of the Super Bowl. That and that fact that the offensive line can't pass block enough to keep Big Ben from playing on his back. Roethlisberger is almost being hit, hurried, and harasses as much as David Carr was and it's been shown effective that if you can get pressure on Big Ben then you can stop the Steelers offense.

I did call it this year about Mewelde Moore being a pivotal piece in that offense. I've always liked him as a player (possibly due to him being a local product) but I've seen untapped potential in him and he's showing what he can do now that he's the #1 back for Pittsburgh.

That oline gets a bad wrap bc of Ben. They are great at run blocking, and theyre decent in pass protection as well. Ben does a terrible job holding the ball way too long, and he does little if anything to adjust his pass protection presnap. A lot of their woes falls on Ben's shoulders. Even Tomlin says so.

I think the playcalling is terrible. The Steelers need to go back to running the rock like hell, and having Ben manage the game. Thats when theyre at their best. All this spread nonsense, with Ben chucking it deep every other play, its not what they are. They are a smashmouth team, they need to go back to their roots. Cowher would easily have this team in the SB.

If anything holds them back, I feel its their offensive playcalling. Its poor. And Ben's gotta do a better job reading defenses and hitting his hot routes. And adjusting his protection.

If the chargers can just get their act together and squeeze into the playoffs, they could be this year's Giants team. They have the talent, and the conference is really weak, and so is their division. Theyre letting a great opportunity slip right out of their hands.

Xenos
10-28-2008, 11:30 AM
That oline gets a bad wrap bc of Ben. They are great at run blocking, and theyre decent in pass protection as well. Ben does a terrible job holding the ball way too long, and he does little if anything to adjust his pass protection presnap. A lot of their woes falls on Ben's shoulders. Even Tomlin says so.

I think the playcalling is terrible. The Steelers need to go back to running the rock like hell, and having Ben manage the game. Thats when theyre at their best. All this spread nonsense, with Ben chucking it deep every other play, its not what they are. They are a smashmouth team, they need to go back to their roots. Cowher would easily have this team in the SB.

If anything holds them back, I feel its their offensive playcalling. Its poor. And Ben's gotta do a better job reading defenses and hitting his hot routes. And adjusting his protection.

If the chargers can just get their act together and squeeze into the playoffs, they could be this year's Giants team. They have the talent, and the conference is really weak, and so is their division. Theyre letting a great opportunity slip right out of their hands.
You have no idea how sad this makes me feel. Seriously, even without Merriman, our defense should be doing at least decent job of stopping teams if we had a competent DC.

Sniper
10-28-2008, 11:47 AM
You know why Pittsburgh has the best front 7?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/35/357437.jpg

bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 11:49 AM
You have no idea how sad this makes me feel. Seriously, even without Merriman, our defense should be doing at least decent job of stopping teams if we had a competent DC.

Yeah, your DC is a joke. Man i used to feel your pain so bad. It feels so good these days knowing that Spagnuolo is gonna put together a great gameplan every week. I used to have to live with the dark ages of Tim Lewis, who basically played prevent defense for 4 quarters.

Cottrell is bad, but Lewis was epically bad. Arguably the worst DC i ever seen.

MetSox17
10-28-2008, 12:12 PM
I was one of the Tennessee bashers pre-season, and i'm ready to admit i was wrong and flip. Their defense is extremely good, and their running game is excellent. Kerry Collins is really doing just what this team needs, and they're gonna be awfully tough to beat in the playoffs.

The Chargers defense is awful, but in a winner take all game, i still like their chances a lot. Philip Rivers is having an MVP quality season, the running game is coming around, and the defense might be able to get their **** straight for a few games down the stretch. The playoff spot from their division is still up for grabs because of how horrid everyone else is, so lets not completely count them out yet.

The way the Dallas defense played this past week gave me a little glimmer of hope that we might beat the Giants this week, but Brad Johnson wasted no time in shooting me down. He's horrible. All Cowboys fans who saw the pre-season saw this was coming, and honestly, our only chance of beating New York is by starting Brooks Bollinger *shivers*.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 12:28 PM
I hated KC with a passion. I wanted a new QB, but during the '04 draft I wanted Sean Taylor.

Xenos
10-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Yeah, your DC is a joke. Man i used to feel your pain so bad. It feels so good these days knowing that Spagnuolo is gonna put together a great gameplan every week. I used to have to live with the dark ages of Tim Lewis, who basically played prevent defense for 4 quarters.

Cottrell is bad, but Lewis was epically bad. Arguably the worst DC i ever seen.
Cottrell is probably more frustrating because he's a freaking paradox when it comes to defense. In certain game, he has shown that he can dial up creative blitzes and schemes, and in the next he plays prevent all game long even though it's obvious that that wasn't working. The NO game is a great example of that. We didn't start playing press coverage until it was way too late and we were way behind. Phil Simms kept pointing that out throughout the entire game.

Heck, last season even with Merriman we didn't start dialing up the pressure until way late in the season.

The only good that came out of that game was that LT and Gates look to be completely healthy now.

Turtlepower
10-28-2008, 12:33 PM
I hated KC with a passion. I wanted a new QB, but during the '04 draft I wanted Sean Taylor.

I was pissed during Manning's rookie season when Warner was benched for Manning when we still had a shot for the playoffs. I still think to this day that Manning would have developed faster if he sat out that first season.

Turtlepower
10-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Yeah, your DC is a joke. Man i used to feel your pain so bad. It feels so good these days knowing that Spagnuolo is gonna put together a great gameplan every week. I used to have to live with the dark ages of Tim Lewis, who basically played prevent defense for 4 quarters.

Cottrell is bad, but Lewis was epically bad. Arguably the worst DC i ever seen.

Tim Lewis almost single-handedly ruined Corey Webster's and Gibril Wilson's careers.

Bruce Banner
10-28-2008, 12:50 PM
Thoughts on Tampa-Dallas?

Sniper
10-28-2008, 12:51 PM
Thoughts on Tampa-Dallas?

I want to know how Tampa only scored nine points.

Turtlepower
10-28-2008, 12:53 PM
I want to know how Tampa only scored nine points.

I think one of Dallas' major problems is that due to their poor coverage, they sometimes give up big plays. Jeff Garcia is unable to make deep throws past 30 yards. That would be my reasoning to the low score.

Bruce Banner
10-28-2008, 12:55 PM
I want to know how Tampa only scored nine points.

Boy blunder's willingness to settle for field goals and Jeff Garcia's terribleness.

Turtlepower
10-28-2008, 12:58 PM
Boy blunder's willingness to settle for field goals and Jeff Garcia's terribleness.

How the hell does Tampa bay only score 13 points against Denver. That is what I find ridiculous...

Bruce Banner
10-28-2008, 01:00 PM
How the hell does Tampa bay only score 13 points against Denver. That is what I find ridiculous...

Boy Blunder just keeps trying to "dazzle the league" with his "offensive genius".

We're averaging 6 yards per carry after 15 carries, "**** it lets throw!".

Maybe playing a piss boy caddy to John Daly is taking too much of his time.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 01:08 PM
I was pissed during Manning's rookie season when Warner was benched for Manning when we still had a shot for the playoffs. I still think to this day that Manning would have developed faster if he sat out that first season.

Why? Players were losing faith in Warner. I still remember reading articles on how the OL was pissed he was holding the ball for so long. Statistically Warner is a stud, and will always be one but outside of that, it was a mess that year as the games went on.

We didn't have the OL we had now, but we were not bad by any stretch, yet Warner got sacked 39 times in 9 games!!!! He also had 12 fumbles too. At that point TC thought just start the kid and let him take his lumps and grow from there.

Manning would have developed faster with Gilbride as the QB coach, and idiot John Hufangel as our OC. There is a reason why we fired both Huffy and Tim Lewis who were the original guys brought in with TC. In fact Ralph V's book has a chapter on Huffy and how the players disliked him.

Turtlepower
10-28-2008, 01:11 PM
Why? Players were losing faith in Warner. I still remember reading articles on how the OL was pissed he was holding the ball for so long. Statistically Warner is a stud, and will always be one but outside of that, it was a mess that year as the games went on.

We didn't have the OL we had now, but we were not bad by any stretch, yet Warner got sacked 39 times in 9 games!!!! He also had 12 fumbles too. At that point TC thought just start the kid and let him take his lumps and grow from there.

Manning would have developed faster with Gilbride as the QB coach, and idiot John Hufangel as our OC. There is a reason why we fired both Huffy and Tim Lewis who were the original guys brought in with TC. In fact Ralph V's book has a chapter on Huffy and how the players disliked him.

I didn't know that players were actually losing confidence in Warner, that's interesting. But I agree that if you are going to bring in a young QB, the last thing to do is change OCs on him. I wish we still had Sean Peyton as our OC, I loved what he brought to the team and how he actually used Shockey, unlike Gilbride.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 01:16 PM
I didn't know that players were actually losing confidence in Warner, that's interesting. But I agree that if you are going to bring in a young QB, the last thing to do is change OCs on him. I wish we still had Sean Peyton as our OC, I loved what he brought to the team and how he actually used Shockey, unlike Gilbride.

I do, it was reported by the beat writers that week. I remember it because I was thinking how long can these linemen stick to their men and Warner still not get rid of the ball. The OL must have been pissed working so hard and still the QB getting sacked and fumbling on top of that.

We took a OC with 11 years experience and made him a QB coach, while we took a QB coach with no OC experience and made him an OC. That's pretty much the dumbest thing I see in terms of hiring and I knew it would be a mess. I also knew Lewis would suck, because I followed his career in Pitt. My cousins live in the Burgh and are Steeler fans and when we had a press release for the coaches they laughed at the Gilbride and Lewis hiring mainly at Lewis though. It's not a suprise that he got fired.

iloxygenil
10-28-2008, 01:38 PM
I want to know how Tampa only scored nine points.

They have no offense, I repeat, they have no offense. They are a pitiful offensive team. If it weren't for their defense they'd go 0fer. Lucky for them their defense is stout. Well, not lucky, that's how they were built, but their offense is the reason this team will not be in the playoffs.

iloxygenil
10-28-2008, 01:40 PM
I'm curious to hear some unbiased thoughts on the Falcons...

i.e. people who aren't our opponents who think their team is the best team ever *cough* you know who you are. Or people outside the NFC South division who can give a truly INFORMED unbiased view.

bigbluedefense
10-28-2008, 01:42 PM
ill get back to this.

49ersfan_87
10-28-2008, 02:15 PM
Even though i like Mike Singletary banishing Vernon Davis to the locker room and all, i'm still severely disappointed that the 49ers weren't even remotely competitive on sunday. How do you lose by 21, at home, to a 3rd string QB, and let a FB catch 2 40+ yard TD passes? It was a completely flat performance. Doesn't bode well for Singletary, but ill give him some more time before i completely give up on him..

NY+Giants=NYG
10-28-2008, 02:22 PM
I'm curious to hear some unbiased thoughts on the Falcons...

i.e. people who aren't our opponents who think their team is the best team ever *cough* you know who you are. Or people outside the NFC South division who can give a truly INFORMED unbiased view.

I hated Vick, and so to see a good pick in Ryan start to show potential makes me happy for your franchise. You guys have been through alot. I think you guys had good management moves, and if you can hit in free agency and in 2-3 drafts you guys have a strong foundation to build upon.

Mr. Stiller
10-28-2008, 02:42 PM
That oline gets a bad wrap bc of Ben. They are great at run blocking, and theyre decent in pass protection as well. Ben does a terrible job holding the ball way too long, and he does little if anything to adjust his pass protection presnap. A lot of their woes falls on Ben's shoulders. Even Tomlin says so.

I think the playcalling is terrible. The Steelers need to go back to running the rock like hell, and having Ben manage the game. Thats when theyre at their best. All this spread nonsense, with Ben chucking it deep every other play, its not what they are. They are a smashmouth team, they need to go back to their roots. Cowher would easily have this team in the SB.

If anything holds them back, I feel its their offensive playcalling. Its poor. And Ben's gotta do a better job reading defenses and hitting his hot routes. And adjusting his protection.

If the chargers can just get their act together and squeeze into the playoffs, they could be this year's Giants team. They have the talent, and the conference is really weak, and so is their division. Theyre letting a great opportunity slip right out of their hands.


Here's the Biggest issue of the Steelers offense.

1) The Coaching. The OL Coach doesn't have these guys on the same page (Proof? Watch Kendall Simmons in the Philly game. Omar Gaither ran free through the C/RG Gap ever time he tried.) That has been shored up a bit by Simmons being out and Darnell Stapleton playing, but, alas Stapleton isn't a primetime guard and is likely our future center. He's very solid at C, Guard he's a warm body that doesn't mess up his assignments.

2) The play calling. Arians didn't have Hot Reads until after the Philly Game. He didn't utilize 3 step drops until the Jacksonville game. This is a guy who said "Whats a 3-step drop?" In pre-season. He's trying to run an offense that few teams could utilize. That being the Titans, Browns and Giants. He then implemented 3 step drops and lots of deep routes. He's trying to force this team into his scheme implementations instead of scheming around the players. Holmes should be running more quick slants. Ward more crosses and outs. I don't care if we have to run the 2001 Patriots offense... the Nickel and Dime, this team has Superbowl talent, especially in a year where the Jags, Pats, Colts aren't dominating, The Titans are relying on the Rush and a solid Vet QB, and the Bills are relying on the arm of a 2nd year QB. If there was ever a year for the Steelers to go after the superbowl, it's this year.

Arians also insists on 2 very ******** formations. The Close Bunch (1 TE, 3 WR Close on 1 side) which, just begs the defense to blitz... and the 3 TE which he tries to pass out of every so often. He's a great route designer and play designer, but his game day coaching is pathetic.

3) Big Ben ~ Ben likes Splash plays. 50 yard passes to Nate Washington. And he's good with them, the problem is, once he gets one, he just chucks everything long. Resulting in 1 of 2 things. A) A huge play or B) 3rd and 18 in our side of the field. If Ben would utilize the Short passing game and run game to open up the Deep Ball, He could hit it every time because as far as I've seen, when he sets it up, he's one of the most accurate Deep Ball throwers in the league. If and a big if, we can get Ben to let the run game open the short passing lanes, it won't hurt to take a shot or 2 near the half. This offense is supposed to be built off the Play action. You can't run a play action if the team feels no threat of you running the ball.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-28-2008, 02:52 PM
I can understand why you aren't impressed with the Skins because they haven't won a single game this year by more than a TD. The thing though is because they play to the level of their competition. If they play the Lions they will play to that competition, but if they are playing the Titans they would play up to their level. There have just been minor mistakes preventing us from blowing out some teams. I know that could of should of has no place in football, but honestly we could have scored 40 on the Lions if it weren't for little mistakes which are easily correctable. We moved the ball into their territory every single drive but dumb penalties and such prevented us from converting. To be honest I think the Skins are a team that will be overlooked if we make the playoffs but we could make some noise. We have the best back in the league, a QB who doesn't throw INT's, and a veteran offensive line. Defensively we are solid at every single asset aside from pass rush. Honestly I am glad Jason Taylor is probably out, we are better with Demetric Evans. I'm no homer, I am willing to say I wouldn't have even given a 5th rounder for him, but the past is the past. With Santana Moss returning punts in the playoffs we will be a dangerous team. One thing you won't be able to say with us, is that we haven't been in close games. Because every single game other than the Giants 16-7 loss, has been close. That will play pivotal when in the playoffs. One thing you can say about the Skins is that honestly there isn't a single bad starter on the team other than Jason Taylor, most teams can't say that. Just a quick run down but at QB Jason Campbell is one of the most efficient QB's in the league, Mike Sellers is a top 5 FB, Clinton Portis is a top 5 RB, Chris Cooley is a top 5 TE, Santana Moss is one of the top 10 most explosive receivers in the league when in open space while Randle El is more than solid as a receiver. Chris Samuels is a perennial pro bowler at tackle and Jon Jansen at the other tackle spot is still solid with Heyer ready to claim his spot back, Randy Thomas is one of the better guards in the league when motivated and Pete Kendall at the other guard spot is still above average. Casey Rabach at C is a staple in this offense. Rarely makes mistakes. That was the entire offense and the only spots with "bad starters" you could say is Randle El as a 2 but he is still better than many many starters in this league. On defense the 3 headed monster of Cornelius Griffin/Kedric Golston/Anthony Montogmery is probably one of the more underrated units in the NFL. All 3 stop the run and provide some pass pressure. Andre Carter at DE is one of the better all around DE's, not elite but well above average. Jason Taylor is a bum and Demetric Evans is much better. He is better against the run, and honestly because of his hand usage and technique is not that far back as a pass rusher. I'll give Taylor the credit for getting his hands up to bat down passes, but he is crud against the run, and doesn't get within 10 feet of the QB 85% of the time. Our linebacking crew has no bad starters. London Fletcher is still an absolute beast, Rocky McIntosh is quietly performing at a pro bowl level although he won't get recognition. It's very rare to find a player from the U who is so quiet and timid and never speaks to the media. The guy lets his play do all the talking for him though. Marcus Washington would be the weak link his this core but we have been so much better since he's been hurt. HB Blades is an absolute gamer and should be starting over Washington. At corner Carlos Rogers is absolutely shocking me. He won't make the pro bowl because of his rock hands, but he is one of the top 10 shut down corners in the league. He has shut down almost every receiver he has face and the list includes the likes of TO, Braylon Edwards, Anquan Boldin, Torry Holt, and Calvin Johnson. He is one of the most physical corners in the league with great cover skills. If he only had hands we'd be drooling over him. At the other side Shawn Springs was playing like a Springs of 7 years ago, but injuries slowed him down and it's unclear when he will be back. Smoot is solid. Not spectacular but solid. Somewhere between absolutely stinking it up in Minnesota he has learned to tackle. Shocks me because his first time round he was an awful tackler, but now rarely misses tackles and is solid in coverage granted he's not covering an overly physical wideout. The safeties are arguably the strength of the defense. Again LaRon Landry will not make the pro bowl because he doesnít have flashy stats, but you can argue he is the best safety in the entire league. He plays one man deep coverage and shuts down the long pass for the entire field. I havenít seen a safety cover the entire field like him in a long time. Oh and when he has extra time he decides to be a menace against the run and blitzing the QB from 15 yards back. Because of his range he allows Chris Horton to thrive. Itís weird to say but Horton a 7th round rookie who was 3 picks away from being undrafted, has a better shot than Landry to make the pro bowl. Horton because of Landry is allowed to play an in box ball hawk. He roams around and makes plays. He is honestly in on 75% of the tackles made on the defensive side of the ball. His range is above average as he runs like a corner and tackles like a backer. He would not be this good in other systems, but LaRon Landryís covers all of Hortonís weaknesses and allows Horton to utilize all of his strengths. Rookie safeties donít usually make a huge impact on our D. It is why they were reluctant to replace Reed Doughty with Horton. It is because our safeties need to align the defense. That is why a guy like Ryan Clark was the best thing that happened to Sean Taylor prior to getting Landry. With Landryís growth and maturity from a ball hawk to a fundamentally sound safety, Horton can now play full time and make a bunch of plays. Quick note on special teams Rock Cartwright is a top 15 kick off returner. Suisam is one of the better kickers we have had the past few decades, and Ryan Plack is alright and after having Durant Brooks he is a breath of fresh air. Our biggest issue is the PR Randle El is easily the worst punt returner in the NFL. If he isnít going backwards he is going sideways. If he gets a 5 yard return I am happy and smiling. Santana Moss could be one of the best PRís in the league but it is too much of a liability to have him back there full time because of his importance to the offense. But like against the Lions in situations when we need a big return, he will be back there. So really while the Skins may not look that impressive because of how they win games, the point is they win games and have very few weaknesses on the entire roster. This is a team built to win right now.

Sniper
10-28-2008, 03:00 PM
Paragraphs are your friend.

d34ng3l021
10-28-2008, 03:02 PM
That was a brutal wall of text.

Loggerhead
10-28-2008, 03:14 PM
Jason Taylor is not a bum. He has been playing with the calf injury which is why he is having a down year and he was traded in July so he didn't have enough time to fully pick pick up the scheme. Taylor is a stud he just hasn't had the chance to show it because of injuries.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-28-2008, 03:32 PM
Jason Taylor is not a bum. He has been playing with the calf injury which is why he is having a down year and he was traded in July so he didn't have enough time to fully pick pick up the scheme. Taylor is a stud he just hasn't had the chance to show it because of injuries.

He was playing at an incredibly low level prior to injuring his calf. He is just unable to handle RT's that's the deal. Even if 100% healthy he would still be a huge liability against the run.

Loggerhead
10-28-2008, 03:39 PM
I still think JT is a hell of a football player. He was pretty good in Miami in his last year and of course the year before the that the was DPOY. I think this year is a mulligan and he will come on strong next year.

Xenos
10-28-2008, 03:43 PM
Well, looks like I got my wish and Cottrell is gone. Now is Rivera the right person to run this defense now? Does he have enough experience to run a 3-4?

Bear fans, how is as a DC in general with the 4-3?

Rayray52
10-28-2008, 04:31 PM
Jason taylor is an absolute bum he is one of the worst DE's in the leauge if not the worst against the run and has barely pressured the QB, Laron Landry is one of the best safeties in the leauge but he still isnt Ed Reed at least not yet, and i cant believe how well Carlos Rogers is playing he was never a burner and after that horrible knee injury i thought he was pretty much finished as a corner.

BlindSite
10-28-2008, 06:41 PM
Yeah, your DC is a joke. Man i used to feel your pain so bad. It feels so good these days knowing that Spagnuolo is gonna put together a great gameplan every week. I used to have to live with the dark ages of Tim Lewis, who basically played prevent defense for 4 quarters.

Cottrell is bad, but Lewis was epically bad. Arguably the worst DC i ever seen.

Tim Lewis is a bad DC but he's been brilliant as a secondary coach. Godfrey is progressing fast, Gamble is playing like a probowler and up until the Arizona game no team was able to pass well against our secondary. Not many teams have two elite receivers and a QB with a hot hand either.



I think the Superbowl contender from the AFC will come down to coaching experience, and for that reason I think it'll be Tennessee. I like the Steelers team and I think they're a strong unit, but right now they need health and I really don't think their offensive line as a pass blocking unit is good enough. I like Buffalo NEXT year when their receivers and QB are a little older and they get another couple of pieces to the puzzle.

I'm not going to comment on the NFC but there are for damn sure going to be some brilliant games when TB and Carolina face off with the NFC East.

IMO The playoffs will end up *Carolina, *Tampa, *New York, *Washington, Green bay and Arizona.

*In no particular order

Babylon
10-28-2008, 06:48 PM
I want to know how Tampa only scored nine points.

Because Jeff Garcia stinks.

LonghornsLegend
10-28-2008, 07:25 PM
Garcia may suck but how about some defensive credit? Guys may of played the game of the year on that side of the ball and maybe we don't see everyone playing up to that level again but let's just not dismiss the notion that the D was the reason they scored 9 points.


We have 2 rookie corners out there with Alan Ball as the nickel corner, so it's not like we had our top 3 corners, our rookies came to play, Wade drew up a great scheme and responded to the pressure on his ***, and guys played like that was a 'must-win' game...It wasn't all due to Garcia's suckiness, our QB was alot worse and we still managed more then 9 pts.

Smooth Criminal
10-28-2008, 07:46 PM
Im excited for a Steelers Titans matchup. Hopefully the Steelers will be healthy by then and the Titans won't have anything wrapped up so they have to play.

Could definately be a AFC Championship preview.

CC.SD
10-29-2008, 01:23 AM
Excellent thoughts as usual; I've never disagreed that Merriman is one of the very best talents in the NFL. His presence has been sorely missed.

Cottrell fired...and it's not even my birthday. Not to mention Denver being without Champ. 3-5 with the division door not even close to shut? Welcome to the AFC West.

Also I have to give the nod to the Titans D over the Steelers. Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch give them true dominance.

AntoinCD
10-29-2008, 03:00 AM
Excellent thoughts as usual; I've never disagreed that Merriman is one of the very best talents in the NFL. His presence has been sorely missed.

Cottrell fired...and it's not even my birthday. Not to mention Denver being without Champ. 3-5 with the division door not even close to shut? Welcome to the AFC West.

Also I have to give the nod to the Titans D over the Steelers. Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch give them true dominance.

The AFC West is definitely there for the taking for San Diego as long as Rivera can make your defense play any where near its potential especially with LT getting back to near his usual.
Speaking of the Titans does anyone else think that Haynesworth gets subbed on far too many plays. Yeah he's the most dominating defensive player in the league but at one stage on Monday he was doubled over gasping for air during the Colts hurry up. I actually remember seeing him on the sidelines, sweat dripping, and the Colts called a timeout and I thought bad idea now you're letting him get back in there.

giantsfan
10-29-2008, 05:50 AM
Well until their young Dlineman, Jason Jones is my favorite, are ready to step up more they can't really afford to let that monster sit on the bench.

Caddy
10-29-2008, 06:08 AM
Garcia may suck but how about some defensive credit? Guys may of played the game of the year on that side of the ball and maybe we don't see everyone playing up to that level again but let's just not dismiss the notion that the D was the reason they scored 9 points.


We have 2 rookie corners out there with Alan Ball as the nickel corner, so it's not like we had our top 3 corners, our rookies came to play, Wade drew up a great scheme and responded to the pressure on his ***, and guys played like that was a 'must-win' game...It wasn't all due to Garcia's suckiness, our QB was alot worse and we still managed more then 9 pts.

I watched the whole game and the Dallas D definitely stepped up. Tampa don't have the strongest offense in the NFL to begin with, but it isn't completely hopeless. Guys like Bradie James and Jay Ratliff played quality football and turned it into a big time defensive struggle.

Both teams played decent football and Dallas were the better side on the day.

AntoinCD
10-29-2008, 06:10 AM
Well until their young Dlineman, Jason Jones is my favorite, are ready to step up more they can't really afford to let that monster sit on the bench.

Yea thats true but in saying that the best play by any line,an for Tennessee was Tony Brown stopping Rhodes for a five yard loss

Iamcanadian
10-29-2008, 11:25 AM
-I was curious to see that Titans defense firsthand. I must say, i was very impressed with the coverage of that defense. They rarely blitz, a run a ton of zone, theyre almost a pseudo Cover 2 team, but the coverage windows are tight which is impressive for a defense built with big strong guys, and their rush is impressive even without KVB. That defense is built around Haynesworth, he means everything to them. If youre gonna score on that defense, youre gonna have to throw into some tight windows. Its not a defense that beats you with scheme, they just have great players. Theyre physical and savy, they know how to play zone and be physical in their zone coverage, redirecting routes and playing smart.

It doesn't hurt that that have played one of the easiest schedules in the NFL this season. Only Atlanta and Green Bay have winning records and I don't think anybody thinks Atlanta will keep it up. Face it Peyton hasn't fully recovered from his surgery and won't be the same player till next year so beating Indy wasn't that difficult. Seriously, I really doubt Tennessee survives in the playoffs for very long.

-For all the Shawn Merriman naysayers: Remember how Merriman was the product of the scheme? How he benefits from a killer group of guys around him? How Tucker will slide right in, how Shaun Phillips helps him out so much on the other side and he isn't the focal point of the offense's protection schemes and benefits from it?

The Chargers are ranked 28th in total defense, DEAD LAST (32) in pass defense without him. Ive always said that the players around Merriman benefit from him, not the other way around. And the results speak for themselves. Wheres Phillips this year? Castillo? Where are all these guys that made Merriman better? It seems to me theyve taken a huge dive in production without Merriman. Those were the guys that benefited from Merriman. Without him, theyre not half the players they superficially look like with him. I said Shawne Merriman is the most impactful pass rusher in the league, and many disagreed with me, and rightfully so, but look at that defense without him, and how different it is and tell me Im wrong now.

I totally agree. Losing Merriman cost Cottrell his job and killed the San Diego defense for this season. I don't think any real football observer thought that Merriman was a product of his team rather than the other way around.

-Im honestly not impressed with the Redskins. I know they have a great record, and beat some good teams, but i just don't see it. The Eagles and Cowboys still scare me as a Giant fan more than the Skins do. They just don't look impressive to me. I think some close games recently is the reason why. Perhaps teams are getting some film on Zorn and his DC and slowing them down? I really have no valid reason for being a doubter right now, but Im just not sold on them.

I think it is a case of Campbell stepping forward as a solid QB which has really opened up the running lanes for Portis. Of course, the Giants tend I believe to dominate the Redskins, so maybe that's why you don't respect or worry about them.

-The Colts are in trouble. Theyre not going to make the playoffs this year. Its going to be really weird not seeing Peyton in the playoffs. And Marvin Harrison is washed up.

I think Peyton simply won't return to form from his surgery till next season. They were in trouble as soon as Manning went under the knife.

-Whats the deal with Joey Porter? He's playing his best football in years. I thought he was all but washed up but he's having a hell of a year. Sparano is doing a great job with that team as well.

Who can argue with the obvious.

-Not only is Aaron Rodgers better than Brett Favre this year, but so is Chad Pennington. Yup...Chad Pennington. Favre is playing terrible, and is so overrated this year its not even funny. Throw 3 picks. Oh thats just Brett being Brett. ********. That might slide in GB, but NY fans will not be ok with that. Jets fans shouldve booed him even more than they did. He's been terrible.

I don't think many football people thought the change of teams would be easy especially early in the season.

And so has the coaching. Mangini has been awful this year. He has plenty of talent on that team, but its not living up to expectations. A lot of it is to appease to Favre and let him wing it all day. The offensive game plans are terrible.

This may have more to do with Favre's poor play than people realize. GB has one of the best HC's in the business, it's pretty obvious that the Jets don't.

Oh and I guess Vernon Gholston was serious when he said that he plans on helping the Jets win games next year. Bc he hasn't done **** this year.

Rookies don't often flourish in their 1st season. Sometimes you have to wait awhile.

-I don't get why ppl want to kill the Titans bc they have Kerry Collins at qb. Why? What makes you think Collins can't take this team to the SB? He's done it once before, went to the NFC Championship game once b4 too. Collins is a winner in a game managing role. He can take this team to the SB. He's not as bad as ppl think he is. He can ride the bus. And he can make clutch throws. Collins is a winner.

As I mentioned earlier, the Titans have one of the easiest schedules in the NFL, playing only 2 winning teams this season. So the jury is still out on Collins and on Tennessee as far as a serious SB team.

-The Pittsburgh Steelers have the best front 7 in football. Probably the best defense, i give them the slight edge over Tennessee. Theyre my preliminary favorite to go to the SB out of the AFC. Although Tennessee is really close in my personal rankings. Id LOVE to see those 2 teams go at it.

Based on schedule, you'd have to say Pittsburgh has one of the toughest schedules in the NFL this season so their record is far more impressive than Tennessee's. I really don't think Tennessee is in their class as a team. I'd rate Pittsburgh as the clear cut favourite to go to the SB although upsets have been known to happen.