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TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-30-2008, 12:55 PM
Fire away...rip it to shreds:

1. Brian Orakpo DE Texas
2. Michael Oher OT Mississippi
3. Andre Smith OT Alabama
3. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
5. Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
6. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
7. Chris Wells RB Ohio State
8. George Selvie DE South Florida
9. Eugene Monreo OT Virginia
10. Knowhson Moreno RB Georgia
11. Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
12. Charles Scott RB LSU
13. Vince Oghobaase DT Duke
14. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas
15. Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
16. Vonte Davis CB Illinois
17. William Moore S Missouri
18. Jason Smith OT Baylor
19. James Laurinatis ILB Ohio State
20. Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
21. Jermaine Greshem TE Oklahoma
22. Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
23. Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
24. Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
25. Darius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland
26. Taylor Mays S USC
27. Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
28. D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
29. Ciron Black OT LSU
30. Jamon Meredith OG South Carolina
31. Everette Brown DE Florida State
32. Tyson Jackson DE LSU
33. Sergio Render OG Virginia Tech
34. LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
35. Percy Harvin WR Florida
36. Brian Cushing OLB USC
37. Colt McCoy QB Texas
38. Alex Mack C California
39. Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
40. Sean Weatherspoon OLB Missouri
41. Darius Butler CB Connecticut
42. Derek Peques S Mississippi State
43. Greg Hardy DE Mississippi
44. DeMarcus Granger DT Oklahoma
45. Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
46. Tim Tebow QB Florida
47. Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
48. Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
49. Herman Johnson OG LSU
50. Brandon Graham DE Michigan
51. Terrence Cody DT Alabama
52. Antonio Coleman DE Auburn
53. Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
54. Terrence Taylor DT Michigan
55. Evander Hood DT Missouri
56. Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
57. Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas
58. Jasper Brinkly ILB SOuth Carolina
59. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
60. Aaron Maybin DE Penn State
61. Rey Maualuga ILB USC
62. Fili Moala DT USC
63. Marcus Freeman OLB Ohio State
64. Dannell Ellerbe ILB Georgia
65. B.J. Raji DT Boston College
66. Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
67. Darry Beckwith ILB LSU
68. Tyrone McKenzie OLB South Carolina
69. Otis Wiley S Michigan State
70. David Bruton S Notre Dame
71. Vance Walker DT Georgia Tech
72. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson
73. Myron Rolle S Florida State
74. Chase Coffman TE Missouri
75. Rico McCoy OLB Tennessee
76. Geno Atkins DT Georgia
77. Maurice Evans DE Penn State
78. Travis Beckum TE Wisconson
79. Kenny Britt WR Rutgurs
80. Louis Murphy WR Florida
81. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
82. Mark Sanchez QB USC
83. Javon Ringer RB Michigan State
84. Brandon Tate WR North Carolina
85. Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
86. Xavier Fulton OT Illinois
87. Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina
88. Captain Munnerlyn CB South Carolina
89. Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
90. Orion Martin DE Virginia Tech
91. Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
92. Shonn Greene RB Iowa
93. Brandon LaFell WR LSU
94. Cornelius Ingram TE Florida
95. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State
96. Tyronne Green OG Auburn
97. Derrick Williams WR Penn State
98. Demetrius Byrd WR LSU
99. Graig Cooper RB Miami(Fla)
100. Asher Allen CB Georgia
101. Rashad Johnson S Alabama
102. James Davis RB Clemson
103. Jeff Byers OG USC
104. Kevin Ellison S USC
105. Matt Shaugnessy DE Wisconson
106. Patrick Chung S Oregon
107. Arian Foster RB Tennessee
108. Pat White WR West Virginia
109. Kraig Urbik OG Wisconson
110. A.Q. Shipley C Penn State
111. Cody Brown DE Connecticut
112. Clay Matthews OLB USC
113. DeAngelo Smith CB Cincinnati
114. Michael Hamlin S Clemson
115. Greg Middleton DE Indiana
116. Anthony Parker OG Tennessee
117. DeMarco Murry RB Oklahoma
118. Aaron Kelly WR Clemson
119. Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
120. Max Unger OL Oregon
121. Alex Boone OT Ohio State
122. Courtney Green S Rutgers
123. Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
124. Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
125. Brain Robiskie WR Ohio State
126. Darryl Richard DT Georgia Tech
127. Joe Burnett CB Central Florida
128. Cedric Dockery OG Texas
129. Josh McNeil C Tennessee
130. Chris Clemons S Clemson
131. Tim Jamison DE Michigan
132. Emmanuel Cook S South Carolina
133. Trevor Canfield OG Cincinnati
135. Pannel Egboh DE Stanford
136. Eric Wood C Louisville
137. Juanquin Inglesias WR Oklahoma
138. Nic Harris S Oklahoma
139. Augustus Parrish OT Kent State
140. Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
141. Marlon Lucky RB Nebraska
142. Fenuki Tupou OT Oregon
143. Ron Brace DT Boston College
144. Ian Johnson RB Boise State
145. Jarett Dillard WR Rice
146. Cecil Newton C Tennessee State
147. Andrew Gardner OT Georgia Tech
148. Clinton McDonald DE Memphis
149. Derek Walker DE Illinois
150. Will Davis DE Illinois
151. Dorell Scott DT Clemson
152. Tiquan Underwood WR Rutgurs
153. Andy Kemp OG Wisconson
154. Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
155. Anthony Heygood OLB Purdue
156. Ian Cambell OLB Kansas State
157. Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
158. Chase Daniels QB Missouri
159. Jeremiah Johnson RB Oregon
160. Quan Cosby WR Texas
161. Jahi Word-Daniels CB Georgia Tech
162. Ryan Palmer CB Texas
163. Worrell Williams ILB California
164. Jonathan Casillas OLB Wisconson
165. Eric Moncur DE Miami(Fla)
166. Ray Feinga OG BYU
167. Deon Butler WR Penn State
168. Andre Brown RB North Carolina State
169. Keenan Lewis CB Oregon State
170. Antonio Appleby ILB Virginia
171. Curtis Taylor S LSU
172. Brandon Hughes CB Oregon State
173. Jeremy Perry OG Oregon State
174. Zack Follett OLB California
175. Joahua Mauga ILB Nevada
176. Stanley Arnoux ILB Wake Forest
177. Brandon Underwood CB Cincinnati
178. Domonique Johnson CB Jackson State
179. Chip Vaughn S Wake Forest
180. Jaison Williams WR Oregon
181. Anthony Fielder OLB California
182. Dave Philstin ILB Maryland
183. Wopama Osaisai CB Stanford
184. Mortty Ivy OLB West Virginia
185. Roy Miller DT Texas
186. Ramses Braden WR Cal Poly
187. Jamar Chaney ILB Mississippi State
188. Londen Fryar CB Western Michigan
189. Tony Carter CB Florida State
190. Alex Magee DT Purdue
191. Kyle Moore DE USC
192. Daniel Holtzclaw ILB Eastern Michigan
193. Lee Robinson OLB Alcorn State
194. DeAndre Wright CB New Mexico
195. Myron Pryor DT Kentucky
196. C.J. Spillman S Marhsall
197. Mohamed Massaqoui WR Georgia
198. Jordan Shipley WR Texas
199. Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
200. Greg Carr WR Florida State
201. Tyler Roehl FB North Dakota
202. Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston State
203. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
204. Marko Mitchell WR Nevada
205. Brandon Swain DE West Texas A&M
206. Louis West OG Henderson State
207. Ladarius Webb CB Nicholls State
208. Jared Bronson TE Central Washington
209. Mike Thomas WR Arizona
210. Kenny McKinley WR South Carolina
211. Javarris William RB Tennessee State
212. Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian
213. Jamayel Smith WR Mississippi State
214. David Johnson TE Arkansas State
215. Louie SaKoda K Utah
216. Drew Willy QB Buffalo
217. John Parker Wilson QB Alabama
218. Cedric Peerman RB Virginia
219. Brad Leseter RB Auburn
220. Brian Hoyer QB Michigan State
221. Will Johnson DT Michigan
222. Sam Swank K Wake Forest
223. Jeremy Navarre DE Maryland
224. Britton Colquitt P Tennessee

bored of education
10-30-2008, 01:00 PM
203. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
212. Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian
199. Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
why are those 3 ahead of peerman. imo peerman should be in the 170-190 range overall. Jennings is in the 220-250 range.

Would like some clarity please

jnew76
10-30-2008, 01:11 PM
Very nice work. Of course, there are areas and prospects we disagree on, but lots of football and workouts to come, so I won't go into those.

All 224 prospects are draftable, but many of the underclassmen will not declare.

Of course it is very fluid, but I like where you have most of the players slotted at this point.

+rep for the effort and work you put in.

jnew76
10-30-2008, 01:17 PM
203. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
212. Bernard Scott RB Abilene Christian
199. Rashad Jennings RB Liberty
why are those 3 ahead of peerman. imo peerman should be in the 170-190 range overall. Jennings is in the 220-250 range.

Would like some clarity please

You would not like my list either then. I have each of them rated ahead of Peerman at this point.

Bernard Scott - Best small college back in the country IMO - best combination of runner/receiver in the draft.

Devin Moore - Might be the fastest back in the country in pads - workhorse - gamebreaker - good return ability.

Rashad Jennings - Big back that some teams covet. Has good feet and good hands for a big back out of the backfield.

Babylon
10-30-2008, 01:31 PM
Matthew Stafford-27

I think there's a line in the bible that says "the 27th shall be first"

B-Dawk
10-30-2008, 01:44 PM
seeing as you do have uconn players on there you cant be ignorant to donald brown. Im going to assume this is an oversight.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-30-2008, 02:09 PM
Matthew Stafford-27

I think there's a line in the bible that says "the 27th shall be first"

Just another example of the NFLs horrible logic and why so many teams are crippled year after year by taking an average QB prospect way too high just because he is a quarterback...Michael Vick, Vince Young, Alex Smith I could go on an on.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-30-2008, 02:11 PM
seeing as you do have uconn players on there you cant be ignorant to donald brown. Im going to assume this is an oversight.


I know not all my underclassmen are going to declare, but I at least saw reasons for them coming out this year. I don't really see a reason for Donald Brown to come out this year.

Babylon
10-30-2008, 02:37 PM
Just another example of the NFLs horrible logic and why so many teams are crippled year after year by taking an average QB prospect way too high just because he is a quarterback...Michael Vick, Vince Young, Alex Smith I could go on an on.


The other side is John Elway, Troy Aikman, Carson Palmer, Peyton/Eli, Rivers....i tend to put Stafford in that category.

iloxygenil
10-30-2008, 03:24 PM
The other side is John Elway, Troy Aikman, Carson Palmer, Peyton/Eli, Rivers....i tend to put Stafford in that category.

Why? I mean he's got impressive measurable, but what about intangibles?

eaglesalltheway
10-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Solid effort there, of course there are minor discrepancies, but for the most part, I agree with players' range. Chase Coffman seems really low IMO, but I am a big fan of his, as is Alex Mack. But it is a difference of opinion I guess, very good job.

Babylon
10-30-2008, 03:44 PM
Why? I mean he's got impressive measurable, but what about intangibles?

He's earned the praise of guys like Aikman,who he's talked with down in Dallas and the Manning bros who he was with at their summer camp. Measurables are pretty much all we can go by, good mobility, good size, nice touch and power when necessary on all his passes. He seems capable of digesting a pro style offense there at Georgia and quite capable of changing the play at the line of scrimmage. As for his Wunderlic score i guess we'll have to wait till the combine for that.

BamaFalcon59
10-30-2008, 03:53 PM
Just another example of the NFLs horrible logic and why so many teams are crippled year after year by taking an average QB prospect way too high just because he is a quarterback...Michael Vick, Vince Young, Alex Smith I could go on an on.

Our of college? You are wrong.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-30-2008, 09:15 PM
The other side is John Elway, Troy Aikman, Carson Palmer, Peyton/Eli, Rivers....i tend to put Stafford in that category.

I think you're missing the point of my arguement. I'm not saying taking a QB #1 overall is a bad thing. I'm saying that rating questionable QBs high just because they are QBs is wrong. Right now there isn't a more questionable Top QB prospect than Matthew Stafford.

holt_bruce81
10-30-2008, 10:06 PM
Vontae Davis is to low and Chase Coffman is way way to low.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Vontae Davis is to low and Chase Coffman is way way to low.


Vonte Davis is one of the biggest questions marks in the draft and no way is he better than the 15 in front of him.

Chase Coffman is a very good TE, but he doesn't block great, he's not a super athlete, he's not a dominate enough player to go round 1. He's rated just perfect and will go right around there 55-80 is where he'll go mid/late 2nd to the high 3rd round. Hell Rucker didn't even go until round 4.

keylime_5
10-30-2008, 10:15 PM
I like your list a lot. I personally like Jason Smith, Duke Robinson, Jonathan Luigs, and Michael Crabtree a little more than you apparently.

I understand why Vontae is where he is, makes sense to me, and Taylor Mays probably should be where he is, but I myself like him a lot more b/c of his athleticism and I think he'll be much better in the NFL than he is in college. He played a great game against 'Zona, I think NFL DCs will get more of that out of him I guess.

Tight ends who can block are looking a lot better than TEs who can't block very well in the NFL this season, probably why a lot of people aren't as high on Coffman and Beckum right now. That's my theory anyway.

Don Vito
10-30-2008, 10:27 PM
Call me a homer but I think Peria Jerry should be a lot higher than 123. He is having a fantastic year and projects well to a few defenses in the NFL. I think you have Duke Robinson and Geno Atkins too low as well. Those are a couple things that jumped out at me.

eaglesalltheway
10-31-2008, 06:44 AM
Vonte Davis is one of the biggest questions marks in the draft and no way is he better than the 15 in front of him.

Chase Coffman is a very good TE, but he doesn't block great, he's not a super athlete, he's not a dominate enough player to go round 1. He's rated just perfect and will go right around there 55-80 is where he'll go mid/late 2nd to the high 3rd round. Hell Rucker didn't even go until round 4.

None of the top TEs in this class block great, or even well for that matter. Coffman hasn't been called to block too often for Mizzou, but does need work on it, like the rest of the TEs. Blocking is something that TEs can be taught, and all of the TEs in the draft will have to go through a learning process when it comes to blocking. It is very very rare nowadays to find a TE prospect rated highly who is a good blocker. As i said in another thread, athletes are nice, but football players are better, and Chase Coffman is a football player.

Halsey
10-31-2008, 12:21 PM
Why are so many fans afraid of QB's? Stop being afraid that every top QB prospect will be a bust. Just because there have been a lot of high profile QB busts doesn't mean they are all busts or that other positions don't bust too. They are a lot of good QB's in the NFL today that were highly rated, top 10-15 in the draft prospects: The Mannings, Roethlisberger, Mcnabb, Rivers, Ryan, Cutler, Palmer, and Russel looks pretty good to me, but i'm not sure on him yet. Putting Stafford that low on the list is a joke. Bradford, i'm not sure because I haven't watched him much yet, but he certainly is a possible top 10 pick. Stop being afraid of QB's and thinking it's safer to rate less important position players higher. There's a reason actual NFL teams usually pick a QB #1 overall and it's not a surprise that the last 3 Super Bowl winning QB's were high first round picks. In fact, most of the teams winning the Super Bowl over the last decade had a first rounder at QB.

Babylon
10-31-2008, 12:38 PM
I think you're missing the point of my arguement. I'm not saying taking a QB #1 overall is a bad thing. I'm saying that rating questionable QBs high just because they are QBs is wrong. Right now there isn't a more questionable Top QB prospect than Matthew Stafford.

I dont think i'm missing your point and i agree with you on reaching for a QB. Stafford is hardly a reach though, he probably has the second best arm i have ever seen in terms of touch, accuracy and strength after John Elway. That's my story and i'm sticking to it.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-31-2008, 12:46 PM
Why are so many fans afraid of QB's? Stop being afraid that every top QB prospect will be a bust. Just because there have been a lot of high profile QB busts doesn't mean they are all busts or that other positions don't bust too. They are a lot of good QB's in the NFL today that were highly rated, top 10-15 in the draft prospects: The Mannings, Roethlisberger, Mcnabb, Rivers, Ryan, Cutler, Palmer, and Russel looks pretty good to me, but i'm not sure on him yet. Putting Stafford that low on the list is a joke. Bradford, i'm not sure because I haven't watched him much yet, but he certainly is a possible top 10 pick. Stop being afraid of QB's and thinking it's safer to rate less important position players higher. There's a reason actual NFL teams usually pick a QB #1 overall and it's not a surprise that the last 3 Super Bowl winning QB's were high first round picks. In fact, most of the teams winning the Super Bowl over the last decade had a first rounder at QB.

Don't cry on me now...do you need a huge buddy?

My Big Board does not show where I think a player will be drafted, but how good I actually think the player is and any BB should really be the same. If you want to show where a player will be drafted that is what mock drafts are for.

Mr.Regular
10-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Our of college? You are wrong.
Agreed. Vick was arguably the best QB prospect ever. If not, he is near the top of the list.

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Agreed. Vick was arguably the best QB prospect ever. If not, he is near the top of the list.

Hahaha what a joke. He was one of the best ATHLETIC prospects ever. He was a garbage quarterback. Always was, proved it in the NFL, and always will be a pathetic QB who got a chance based soley on his supreme athletic abilities.

Xiomera
10-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Brian Hoyer is on this list? :eek:

TickOffOurBestPlayer
10-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Brian Hoyer is on this list? :eek:


He's not that bad. Anyone who threw to Anthony Gonzalez in high school gets a bonus from me, so that could be why he made the list. Either way he's not horrible and the QB's this year suck.

Babylon
10-31-2008, 01:58 PM
Agreed. Vick was arguably the best QB prospect ever. If not, he is near the top of the list.

He was sort of a Gale Sayers at the QB position with a strong arm. Great talent at the position but i dont think he was at the top of any list as far as great prospects go.

Xiomera
10-31-2008, 02:01 PM
He's not that bad. Anyone who threw to Anthony Gonzalez in high school gets a bonus from me, so that could be why he made the list. Either way he's not horrible and the QB's this year suck.

I agree he isn't horrible, but I doubt very much he'll get drafted, even with a weak crop of Senior QB's.

keylime_5
10-31-2008, 02:06 PM
every time i watch hoyer i see a guy who is lucky to be starting in college, let alone a guy who's not gonna be anything in the nfl. I think there's only about 4 QBs a year who stick as a starter or backup that get drafted. I only usually put about 5 QBs in my top 300 usually on average, not a position with a high success rate.

SenorGato
10-31-2008, 02:53 PM
Why? I mean he's got impressive measurable, but what about intangibles?

He's got those too?

He's improved his passing each season...he's got the physical skills...experienced college starter...extremely productive SEC QB if you're into conference talk...

While I think Stafford would do best to stay another year for him, he'll probably come out this year while Sanchez, Claussen, and Bradford stay. If he does, he's the unquestioned best QB prospect in this class, and that should make him a high first round pick.

ElectricEye
10-31-2008, 03:06 PM
Stafford needs to show me he's the guy. I have yet to see one game where people just can't stop him, where he just flatout torches people. Quarterbacks get a lot of credit for what receivers do, but he still should flash the ability to put the team on his back and dominate a secondary. To me, it looks like he has problems reading the field. I've never thought it was so much of a decision making problem as it was not having the best instincts as a quarterback. He lacks the ability to find the open man, even if he has crazy arm strength to get the ball there once he finds someone.

Babylon
10-31-2008, 04:57 PM
Stafford needs to show me he's the guy. I have yet to see one game where people just can't stop him, where he just flatout torches people. Quarterbacks get a lot of credit for what receivers do, but he still should flash the ability to put the team on his back and dominate a secondary. To me, it looks like he has problems reading the field. I've never thought it was so much of a decision making problem as it was not having the best instincts as a quarterback. He lacks the ability to find the open man, even if he has crazy arm strength to get the ball there once he finds someone.


You have an All American RB, a young O-line and a so so receiving corp. He isnt going to sit back there and throw the ball 40 times a game or throw it 10 yards and have guys run 60 like they do in the Big-12. I would say recently the Arizona St and LSU games probably sealed the deal for most scouts. I know up there in Mass. the bar has been raised pretty high on great QBs but i dont need to see anymore from Stafford to convince me he's a great player.

jth1331
10-31-2008, 07:27 PM
Hahaha what a joke. He was one of the best ATHLETIC prospects ever. He was a garbage quarterback. Always was, proved it in the NFL, and always will be a pathetic QB who got a chance based soley on his supreme athletic abilities.

Actually, Vick wasn't garbage. As a pure passer he wasn't anything special, but his dual threat was unquestioned. He was pretty effective with how he was used. I expected a lot more from him as a passer, but that never really progressed over the years.