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http://www.prweb.com/releases/DreamStream/RDM/prweb1540224.htm
Really, I refuse to invest in anything in the near future, because it's all going to end up being digital distribution in the end.
RDM has developed a high-definition system that exceeds the capabilities of Blu-ray. RDM's technology offers storage capacity for up to 100 GB on a single disc. Blu-ray discs can only hold 50 GB of data. Due to RDM's increase in storage capacity, their system is able to offer display qualities that greatly exceed conventional, 1080p, high-definition.
"RDM's format will transform perceptions of high-definition," said Diebel. "RDM's system is able to display the next generation of high-definition: 1920p. With this advancement in technology, true digital cinema will soon be a widespread reality."
Not that anyone can really tell much of a difference between the 1080i, 1080p, and 720p to begin with.
jballa838
11-01-2008, 10:52 PM
Xbox 720 game disc guaranteed.
It'll be 10 years before a 1920p TV and that player are somewhat affordable.
It'll be 10 years before a 1920p TV and that player are somewhat affordable.
This could also contain all the lower quality resolutions. The whole point is that this is dvd compatible, which means we could keep all our old movies as well. It also is extremely easy to adapt to, as he says the difference between something that could play this and our current DVD player is one chip, so it's supposed to be MUCH cheaper than Blu-ray.
Which is nice.
fenikz
11-01-2008, 11:25 PM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
Other than Blu-ray being supported by a larger amount of companies, as well as being technically superior, of course.
TheBuffaloBills
11-02-2008, 12:09 AM
It does say its going to be the same price as a normal DVD player. LaserTV said the same thing. They said they will be the same price as a normal plasma TV, but Laser Tv goes for 7 grand.
bhaarat316
11-02-2008, 12:14 AM
The Laser TV does 3d also its one of the first ones so it 7000 at 65 inches.
The 120 Hz LaserVues are promised to provide a brightness of 500 nits, 3D viewing capability and consume less than 200 watts
TheBuffaloBills
11-02-2008, 12:21 AM
The Laser TV does 3d also its one of the first ones so it 7000 at 65 inches.
Still, they promised it was going to be lighter, larger screen, better picture and cheaper than a plasma. They fulfilled all, but the price.
It does say its going to be the same price as a normal DVD player. LaserTV said the same thing. They said they will be the same price as a normal plasma TV, but Laser Tv goes for 7 grand.
It's based on very similar technology to what we have, it's just different encryption, from what I can tell.
Because RDM's system is based on inexpensive red laser technology, their players are expected to sell for much less than Sony's, which routinely sell for hundreds of dollars. The high price of Blu-ray players has been credited for the technology's slow public reception.
The retail prices for RDM's players and discs are expected to "equal those of the traditional DVD format, greatly undercutting Blu-ray," said Die
CashmoneyDrew
11-02-2008, 12:30 AM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
That's also why VHS beat out beta discs.
CJSchneider
11-02-2008, 12:32 AM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
That's also why VHS beat out beta discs.
Nice choice of words.
Brent
11-02-2008, 12:32 AM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
Porn and video games, whichever format they choose wins out.
CashmoneyDrew
11-02-2008, 12:33 AM
Nice choice of words.
Totally unintentional. I guess that's just my frame of mind.
Paranoidmoonduck
11-02-2008, 12:46 AM
Blu-Ray still has the advantage for right now, because Sony has a vested interest in its success and has enough control over movie release rights to influence what formats they are released on.
It will be a while before people are demanding 1920p format videos.
Blu-Ray still has the advantage for right now, because Sony has a vested interest in its success and has enough control over movie release rights to influence what formats they are released on.
It will be a while before people are demanding 1920p format videos.
Obviously, 1920p is the least important part of this. The main things are:
Technologically superior
Cheaper
More compatible with old technology, meaning old DVD's won't be phased out.
I mean, the Blu-Ray switch from DVD is almost the same as VHS to DVD. Completely incompatible.
Brodeur
11-02-2008, 01:01 AM
Obviously, 1920p is the least important part of this. The main things are:
Technologically superior
Cheaper
More compatible with old technology, meaning old DVD's won't be phased out.
I mean, the Blu-Ray switch from DVD is almost the same as VHS to DVD. Completely incompatible.
Except that most Blu-Ray players upconvert DVD's aka give them better resolution...
Brent
11-02-2008, 01:12 AM
I am basically completely digital with my stuff. Building a Media Center PC is the way to go.
Crickett
11-02-2008, 01:18 AM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
This statement is incorrect.
d34ng3l021
11-02-2008, 01:20 AM
That's also why VHS beat out beta discs.
VHS or Beta is a great band.
I definitely agree with you in thinking that digital downloads will be the next big thing. Technology advances way too fast for their to be a consistent format that people can invest big money in. Downloadable content can be the only consistent way to always be on track of the top of the line technology.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:20 AM
Except that most Blu-Ray players upconvert DVD's aka give them better resolution...
yea you can play most DVDs on Blu-Ray players, so that's not really a problem...
Except that most Blu-Ray players upconvert DVD's aka give them better resolution...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Blu-Ray players utilize red rays as well to play DVD's. No?
Blu-Ray and red-ray are not compatible.
yea you can play most DVDs on Blu-Ray players, so that's not really a problem...
Because Blu-Ray players contain both blu-ray lasers and red-ray lasers. They essentially have a DVD player in them.
This eliminates the need to have both. It's half the work.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:45 AM
Because Blu-Ray players contain both blu-ray lasers and red-ray lasers. They essentially have a DVD player in them.
This eliminates the need to have both. It's half the work.
right, so it's not like anyone is losing the ability to play their "old" DVDs because Blu-Ray players can play them...so it's not like VHS where you need a completely separate player to play them, there is essentially no transaction cost of switching from DVD to Blu-Ray
fenikz
11-02-2008, 01:52 AM
This statement is incorrect.
This statement is incorrect.
d34ng3l021
11-02-2008, 01:56 AM
http://www.mcgrath.ca/img/Pirates_BlueRay_fc.jpg
Crickett
11-02-2008, 01:59 AM
This statement is incorrect.
Originally, Blu Ray wasn't supporting porn and HD DVD was. It didn't save them however.
right, so it's not like anyone is losing the ability to play their "old" DVDs because Blu-Ray players can play them...so it's not like VHS where you need a completely separate player to play them, there is essentially no transaction cost of switching from DVD to Blu-Ray
You aren't getting the point.
The Blu-Ray player has both. It's like a combo VHS/DVD player. BLU-RAY ITSELF is incompatible with DVD's.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:18 AM
You aren't getting the point.
The Blu-Ray player has both. It's like a combo VHS/DVD player. BLU-RAY ITSELF is incompatible with DVD's.
no I understand, I was just referring to the fact that Blu Ray players have built in a solution that makes it so that DVDs aren't worthless, a la VHS tapes with DVD players...therefore, the whole not being able to use old DVDs with Blu Ray players isn't a valid argument against them
no I understand, I was just referring to the fact that Blu Ray players have built in a solution that makes it so that DVDs aren't worthless, a la VHS tapes with DVD players...therefore, the whole not being able to use old DVDs with Blu Ray players isn't a valid argument against them
Yes it is. That's like saying that the combo VHS/DVD player made VHS tapes not worthless.
The Blu-Ray players have to add both in. Blu-Ray on its own cannot play DVD's.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:33 AM
Yes it is. That's like saying that the combo VHS/DVD player made VHS tapes not worthless.
The Blu-Ray players have to add both in. Blu-Ray on its own cannot play DVD's.
right, but the difference between VHS and DVD >>>>> DVD and Blu Ray
there's a huge difference between making a player that has to read both tape and disc, vs. a player that has to have two separate lasers to read a disc, which is why Blu Ray is already doing that, because the benefits of doing so out weigh the costs of doing so
bantx
11-02-2008, 01:37 AM
im confused on what yall are arguing about lol
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:41 AM
im confused on what yall are arguing about lol
lol Blu Ray (Blue laser) can't play DVD (red laser)
but Blu Ray players (most) can play DVDs because they built in Red lasers to do so
I made the point that because Blu Ray players are doing this, that it is pretty much a moot point when people decide in upgrading to Blu Ray players because their DVDs aren't obsolete, as was the case from switching from VHS to DVD
the fact that it is easier to create a player that plays both DVD and Blu Ray is easier than creating a player that plays VHS and DVD is why almost all Blu Ray players do this, and why almost no DVD players combined with VHS (although, I do have one lol)
You aren't getting the point.
The Blu-Ray player has both. It's like a combo VHS/DVD player. BLU-RAY ITSELF is incompatible with DVD's.
I don't see why you think that maters. If it can play both who cares which laser it uses?
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 01:59 AM
I don't see why you think that maters. If it can play both who cares which laser it uses?
he was comparing it to players that had both VHS and DVD, which is really different because it's 2 separate ways of reading movies, whereas Blu Ray and DVD is the same method, just different lasers, which is much easier to combine into one player than VHS and DVD
plus, unlike VHS/DVD combo players, most Blu Ray players began by combining Blu Ray and DVD reading lasers, so it isn't like the players already out there are screwed and it's already an accepted/popular practice, so companies aren't taking risks by producing "combo" players
the fact that it is easier to create a player that plays both DVD and Blu Ray is easier than creating a player that plays VHS and DVD is why almost all Blu Ray players do this, and why almost no DVD players combined with VHS (although, I do have one lol)
That's not why they do it. They do it because that's how they're hoping to establish a base. They still have to put in an upconverting dvd player.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 02:04 AM
That's not why they do it. They do it because that's how they're hoping to establish a base. They still have to put in an upconverting dvd player.
well either way, the circumstances between the two situations are completely different...before, VHS was being phased out and DVD was attempting to replace it, so "combo" players weren't really accepted or prevalent in the market, whereas now Blu Ray is an upgrade but they aren't necessarily trying to eliminate the ability to play DVDs and have put both player capabilities in their players from the start, so it is already a common practice and companies don't have to take the risk of producing a "combo" player after the fact because they already do so
I don't see why you think that maters. If it can play both who cares which laser it uses?
Because it has to use multiple. How does this not make sense... it's unnecessary. Both in expense, and time. This is just one of the many reasons the new player will be cheaper. I never said Blu-Ray players, I said Blu-Ray. Which is a format. Which cannot play DVD.
PackerLegend
11-02-2008, 02:31 AM
My PS3 has a built in blu-ray because all PS3's have to in order to play the games. It plays regular DVD's...... I don't even know if thats what your talking about but im telling ya anyways!
Paranoidmoonduck
11-02-2008, 02:51 AM
Because it has to use multiple. How does this not make sense... it's unnecessary. Both in expense, and time. This is just one of the many reasons the new player will be cheaper. I never said Blu-Ray players, I said Blu-Ray. Which is a format. Which cannot play DVD.
A format doesn't play anything. A player does. And if a player can utilize both Blu-Ray and DVD formats, then there really is no difference.
The encryption capabilities of the new format will make it solely cost effective, because reducing piracy is the #1 priority of the people who make these decisions. But backwards compatibility isn't really an issue.
Brent
11-02-2008, 09:07 AM
reducing piracy is the #1 priority of the people who make these decisions
And it doesnt matter because Blu-Rays are have been getting ripped from the start.
Eaglez.Fan
11-02-2008, 09:58 AM
Wasn't blu-ray experimenting with 100GB and even 200GB disks anyways....
edit-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Ongoing_development
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Blu-ray_200GB.png
awfullyquiet
11-02-2008, 11:17 AM
blue laser > red laser
violet laser > blue laser
once they start getting the dual and quad density layers on blue ray, no one will worry about anything but spin rates
bhaarat316
11-02-2008, 02:15 PM
http://www.mcgrath.ca/img/Pirates_BlueRay_fc.jpg
This was an interesting movie......
A format doesn't play anything. A player does. And if a player can utilize both Blu-Ray and DVD formats, then there really is no difference.
The encryption capabilities of the new format will make it solely cost effective, because reducing piracy is the #1 priority of the people who make these decisions. But backwards compatibility isn't really an issue.
A player can utilize anything. I could make a Blu-Ray/VHS/Beta player.
Regardless, I simply said the FORMAT has already been surpassed by something else. The whole point of my original post was that investing in any kind of player or something like that is pointless, because it's all being surpassed right away anyways. Just wait for DD.
And, I have never said Blu-Ray players CAN'T play DVD's, or anything like that. I just wanted to clear up the misconception that Blu-ray and red-ray are compatible.
bantx
11-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Best buy has a Blu Ray player for 200
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8777344&type=product&id=1204332499513
might invest in one.
Brent
11-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Best buy has a Blu Ray player for 200
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8777344&type=product&id=1204332499513
might invest in one.
PS3s have firmware updates thanks to Playstation Network. So, as a Blu Ray Player, it would be better than one you purchase off the shelf. Also, I dont know if all BD players do this but the PS3 up-converts DVDs.
Paranoidmoonduck
11-02-2008, 03:52 PM
A player can utilize anything. I could make a Blu-Ray/VHS/Beta player.
Not one that only had to have one entrance bay.
Crickett
11-02-2008, 03:56 PM
the fact that it is easier to create a player that plays both DVD and Blu Ray is easier than creating a player that plays VHS and DVD is why almost all Blu Ray players do this, and why almost no DVD players combined with VHS (although, I do have one lol)
I have a DVD/VHS combo as well. I didn't think they were so rarely done. :confused:
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 04:03 PM
I have a DVD/VHS combo as well. I didn't think they were so rarely done. :confused:
well when I got mine, it's a phillips and it was cheaper than the other DVD only players, so why not?
Brent
11-02-2008, 04:06 PM
well when I got mine, it's a phillips and it was cheaper than the other DVD only players, so why not?
is it the kind that allows you to transfer VHS to DVD-Rs?
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 04:49 PM
is it the kind that allows you to transfer VHS to DVD-Rs?
sadly no :( just DVD to VHS, even though when I bought I thought it was both but turns out it was just DVD to VHS
Not one that only had to have one entrance bay.
Who cares how many entrance bays it has? The whole point is that it's pointless to utilize two formats when you could just use one and get the same (actually better) results.
iowatreat54
11-02-2008, 05:14 PM
what's the time frame for when this new format comes out? I read the article you linked quickly and didn't really see a date or anything, so I was wondering when or if I missed it?
what's the time frame for when this new format comes out? I read the article you linked quickly and didn't really see a date or anything, so I was wondering when or if I missed it?
I'm not sure. But that doesn't really matter, seeing as if this is military technology, it wouldn't have reached mainstream unless they have already moved on. I mean, this is superior to Blu-Ray, but they already have tech superior to this. I mean, we usually get military tech about 5 years after they do, when they have something else that's better.
I wouldn't buy this player, either. Unless it really is as cheap as a DVD player, so I'm only out like 50 bucks.
Jvig43
11-02-2008, 07:43 PM
The only thing that matters when it comes to selling is will it support porn, thats the only reason blu-ray is more popular then HDVD
im giving you rep because if your quoting the certain movie i think you are it was hilarious.
jayceheathman
11-02-2008, 07:44 PM
Blu Ray nor HD Dvd are going anywhere in my opinion. Just go ahead with the one you want and it will last. Blu Ray is backed by Blockbuster and more studios but HD DVD is owned by Microsoft and, honestly, they have the funds to stay in and do whatever the heck they want.
bhaarat316
11-02-2008, 07:46 PM
Blu Ray nor HD Dvd are going anywhere in my opinion. Just go ahead with the one you want and it will last. Blu Ray is backed by Blockbuster and more studios but HD DVD is owned by Microsoft and, honestly, they have the funds to stay in and do whatever the heck they want.
I thought HD was owned by Toshiba.
Eaglez.Fan
11-02-2008, 07:46 PM
Blu Ray nor HD Dvd are going anywhere in my opinion. Just go ahead with the one you want and it will last. Blu Ray is backed by Blockbuster and more studios but HD DVD is owned by Microsoft and, honestly, they have the funds to stay in and do whatever the heck they want.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft openly admitted they lost the HD war to Blu-Ray. Specially since they are considering changing the 360 to blu-ray.
bhaarat316
11-02-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm pretty sure Microsoft openly admitted they lost the HD war to Blu-Ray. Specially since they are considering changing the 360 to blu-ray.
No there not changing the 360 to blu ray, they actually are looking for an alternative something better. Becuase then they would have to pay royalty fees to Sony, and then the concole "war" would some what become less competitive.
And anyways the HD for 360 was an add on. it didn't come in the system, so i doubt they say pay 300 extra for Blu Ray add on.
HDDVD is dead. And the 360 won't change to Blu-Ray mid gen. Or probably ever, as I think 2 years from now Blu-ray probably won't be as interesting anyways. I mean, the 360 is already going to give you the option to just install the entire game on your HDD, which will make it quieter and run faster.
Once again, DD is the future!
jayceheathman
11-02-2008, 07:56 PM
HDDVD is dead. And the 360 won't change to Blu-Ray mid gen. Or probably ever, as I think 2 years from now Blu-ray probably won't be as interesting anyways. I mean, the 360 is already going to give you the option to just install the entire game on your HDD, which will make it quieter and run faster.
Once again, DD is the future!
Microsoft uses HD Dvd for all of their windows based items and has licenses with Toshiba. Having Microsoft on your side gives you a lot of strength even if the majority of people like blu ray.
Brodeur
11-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Blu Ray nor HD Dvd are going anywhere in my opinion. Just go ahead with the one you want and it will last. Blu Ray is backed by Blockbuster and more studios but HD DVD is owned by Microsoft and, honestly, they have the funds to stay in and do whatever the heck they want.
HD DVD is absolutely done.
TheBuffaloBills
11-02-2008, 09:39 PM
Yeah I really got to make that move from VHS to DVD.
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