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HawkeyeFan
03-02-2007, 06:29 PM
Just reported on the NFL Network. Will get a link soon.

PalmerToCJ
03-02-2007, 06:30 PM
My god this is just insane...

CLEMENTS BLOWS OUT THE CURVE

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the San Francisco 49ers have signed cornerback Nate Clements.

It's a mind-boggling eight-year, $80 million deal, with $22 million in guaranteed money, and it makes Clements the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history.

Clements was expected to be pursued by several teams. But he never got out of San Fran.

Windy
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
omg! ****.

Diehard
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Argh. That's sick money...

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Wow free agency is getting ridiculous.

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
No way we pay him that much. I'll believe it when I see it somewhere else. I don't doubt we signed him but 80 MILLION!?

DChess
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
just saw this on pro football talk, thats a **** load of money

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 06:31 PM
****. We so overpaid..

Tubby
03-02-2007, 06:32 PM
Wow. 10 characters.

Brodeur
03-02-2007, 06:33 PM
Here comes the NFL equivalent of the baseball offseason, and Nate Clements has kicked it into high gear. That deal is just absolutely insane for Clements.

cordscords
03-02-2007, 06:33 PM
Clements is good, but he 'aint that good!

GSOT
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
That cant be right....that is friggin insane....I hope that leaves the Niners in cap hell for years to come, and he just sits back on his fat pay check and plays like a bum...muwhahaha

ninerfan
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
OMG I hope its not that much. I cant see Nolan signing off on something like that

Shiver
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
Oh Em Gee

That is unbelievable.

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:35 PM
apparently it's 8 year 80 million with a 22 mill signing bonus

art vandelay
03-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Haha, and you guys ripped me for giving him $63 million in the forum mock.

SuperMcGee
03-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Great Goobley Goo!

Congrats, Nate

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 06:36 PM
Say goodbye to adalius thomas..

Auron
03-02-2007, 06:37 PM
Wow... I mean I was high on Clements and all that, but highest paid Defensive player in NFL history?

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2007, 06:37 PM
apparently it's 8 year 80 million with a 22 mill signing bonus

Yep. Thats correct.

Geo
03-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Bill Polian's draft strategy of spending a 2nd round pick on a cornerback every year looks rather good right now. Wow.

The worst part is that the 49ers, in having to pay extra to lure Clements to their team, have established a ridiculous market value. You honestly think Asante Samuel is going to ask for any less when he becomes a free agent in 2008?

ks_perfection
03-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Wow, thats more than I expected, I tought he'd get about the same as Champ did. I geuss its only 1 million more per season than he got.

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:38 PM
4:24 p.m.: CORNERBACK NATE CLEMENTS AND SAFETY MICHAEL LEWIS HAVE SIGNED WITH THE 49ERS. from matt maiocco WOW and people called John York cheap HAHAHA

Apparently, it's backloaded so it's basically a 6 year deal worth $7.25 million per year

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 06:38 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

"A league source tells us that, as a practical matter, it's a six-year deal worth $7.25 million per year."

Its probably like that shaun alexander signing..looks big on paper but in reality is easily replacable after a while. Or is that nate burleson?

Just hope he doesnt tank on us..

Hail Browns
03-02-2007, 06:39 PM
WOW!!! Um, that's absolutely insane. I'm glad the Browns didn't pay him that with what they already payed Steinbach. I just don't even understand how you could get a contract of that size.

Windy
03-02-2007, 06:39 PM
i wonder how the bonus works or if its pro-rated through all the years. that's a lot.

Philliez01
03-02-2007, 06:40 PM
Usually I would wield a clout if the opportunity arised but unfortunately, I believe this with the FA market being "saturated" and it was predicted that teams would overpay. I'm not sure if anyone is that good in the first place, but wow; he essentially better be more productive than Titanic was at the box office, if this is true.

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BTW, got a PM asking what a clout was, I say it in real life and it came on here but it was my HS winter track team that came up with it and you wield one when you see something that you have to disagree with it. There's a delegation to decide if you can wield one and if you aren't delegated; it's like using money you don't have. I hope that answers a PM which was really odd to have received.

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 06:41 PM
I really wanted him so congrats, but at the same time, thats not worth it.

Hes not even a top 5 cornerback, much less the best paid D player in the league.

Geo
03-02-2007, 06:42 PM
That sounds better. Peyton Manning's contract was the same in that it necessarily established market value for quarterbacks to come even though he won't see it completely through, backloaded and bonus conversions and all, but at least that was Peyton.

Splat
03-02-2007, 06:44 PM
That is baseball money.

Hail Browns
03-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Good for the 49ers, great signing. Possibly a bit too much, hopefully he'll be great for you guys. I wanted him in Cleveland, but we've got Steinbach, so I'll be happy for now.

Vince Lombardi
03-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Bill Polian's draft strategy of spending a 2nd round pick on a cornerback every year looks rather good right now. Wow.

The worst part is that the 49ers, in having to pay extra to lure Clements to their team, have established a ridiculous market value. You honestly think Asante Samuel is going to ask for any less when he becomes a free agent in 2008?

Seriously. I bet Bill Belichick just had a minor stroke after seeing those numbers.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 06:46 PM
That sounds better. Peyton Manning's contract was the same in that it necessarily established market value for quarterbacks to come even though he won't see it completely through, backloaded and bonus conversions and all, but at least that was Peyton.

Yeah, i feel a little better now.

I hope the deal is ridicolously front-loaded as well. That way dont have to bear it anymore a few years down the line.

GiantRutgersFan
03-02-2007, 06:46 PM
Wow. Rollin with Nolan.

Definitly overpaid the dude....

tjsunstein
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
haha i hope it pays off. literally.

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Yeah, i feel a little better now.

I hope the deal is ridicolously front-loaded as well. That way dont have to bear it anymore a few years down the line.

yea, i feel alot better than my initial reaction to reading that. If I have the numbers right, it's basically a 6 year 43.5 mill contract( A league source tells us that, as a practical matter, it's a six-year deal worth $7.25 million per year. ) although, i'm not really salary cap savy.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Actually, based on the PFT report, years 6 and 7 are worth 36 mil.


In essence, this is a 6 year 44 million dollar contract. He will never see years 7 and 8.

ricky bobby
03-02-2007, 06:49 PM
LOL. That's move is going to cripple them.

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Actually, based on the PFT report, years 6 and 7 are worth 36 mil.


In essence, this is a 6 year 44 million dollar contract. He will never see years 7 and 8.



So, I'm guessing this takes about 7 mill out of our current cap right? We should have about 28 mill, or so, left.

Geo
03-02-2007, 06:51 PM
Exactly, basically the overall number that is thrown out now is for the agent to trumpet.

Splat
03-02-2007, 06:51 PM
Possibly a bit too much.

You think?

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 06:51 PM
btw, we also signed michael lewis from the eagles.

bigbluedefense
03-02-2007, 06:52 PM
This is why Ive said for forever that great teams build through the draft. FA is not worth it, you overpay for talent, and in turn lose the ability to resign the developing talent you already have on your team.

Clements is not worth that money. After 2 average seasons, he gets paid that much? What a joke. Steinbach got too much too. Thomas will too.

Real teams get talent in the draft. You can get mid level FAs to fill needs, but going after the big name is usually not a smart move. In fact, even when it does pan out, its still only a short term solution, so whats the point?

Mr. Stiller
03-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Makes the Ike Taylor extension look like the deal of the century.

NIN1984
03-02-2007, 06:59 PM
um wow I hope Raiders don't have to give that to Asomugha next year

Freddy G
03-02-2007, 07:05 PM
I don't care how much cap space someone has, that is way too much money. I really like Clements and he is very good, but he sure as hell isn't the best defensive player in the league...which is what his pay check now indicates.

Jonathan_VIlma
03-02-2007, 07:08 PM
Jesus christ, what a move by Clements. Leaving his former team, and getting amazing money.

tom
03-02-2007, 07:10 PM
It makes sense... the cap is going to be ridiculous in 6 years... so if the deal is backloaded and the guy still produces, I can see him taking the whole 80

FahvRay
03-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Im just happy the Packers extended Harris's contract before this deal

sup3rk1ng
03-02-2007, 07:14 PM
It makes sense... the cap is going to be ridiculous in 6 years... so if the deal is backloaded and the guy still produces, I can see him taking the whole 80

He'll be 34-35 in 8 years...so I doubt it. He's definitely gone by year 6. People on this board arer exaggerating this deal wayy too much.

DWhitner20
03-02-2007, 07:15 PM
Bye Nate but congrats on your big payday!

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 07:16 PM
He'll be 34-35 in 8 years...so I doubt it. He's definitely gone by year 6. People on this board arer exaggerating this deal wayy too much.

More fun that way.

Number 10
03-02-2007, 07:18 PM
The highest paid defensive player in the history of the NFL.....hahahahahha


What a joke.

Jonathan_VIlma
03-02-2007, 07:19 PM
He'll be 34-35 in 8 years...so I doubt it. He's definitely gone by year 6. People on this board arer exaggerating this deal wayy too much.Considering he's the highest paid defensive player ever, it should be exaggerated. Orlando Pace' signing bonus was $15 million. The money Clements got is Peyton Manning money, it's ridiculous.

ATLDirtyBirds
03-02-2007, 07:21 PM
Just stupid. He isn't even a top 5 player at his position.

49erfaithful
03-02-2007, 07:21 PM
awsome, but for way to much

TH3
03-02-2007, 07:25 PM
that contract is out of this world

P-L
03-02-2007, 07:29 PM
Just stupid. He isn't even a top 5 player at his position.
I don't even think he's a top 10 player at his position. Well, maybe. I'd probably have him anywhere in the 8-12 range. But still, that is a lot of money.

Geo
03-02-2007, 07:31 PM
I can't look at this as anything more than 6 years/43.5 mil, which makes it a reasonable signing given the lack of available top-tier cornerbacks and the amount of money available on the free market.

Good luck to both parties, I can't wait to see Clements in a 49ers uniform.

KILLERSANTA
03-02-2007, 07:45 PM
WOW!!! Um, that's absolutely insane. I'm glad the Browns didn't pay him that with what they already payed Steinbach. I just don't even understand how you could get a contract of that size.

That's what she said :lol:

princefielder28
03-02-2007, 07:47 PM
That's so much money but San Fran needs that player in the secondary and if they can add thomas that defense is looking hell of alot better

Smokey Joe
03-02-2007, 07:54 PM
Football copying baseball?

SeanTaylorRIP
03-02-2007, 08:33 PM
Oh gosh he's good but the figure is just crazy. More power to him though for being able to get that contract, looks like Adalius might ask the 49ers for a similar contract or go to NE.

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 08:34 PM
I can't look at this as anything more than 6 years/43.5 mil, which makes it a reasonable signing given the lack of available top-tier cornerbacks and the amount of money available on the free market.

Good luck to both parties, I can't wait to see Clements in a 49ers uniform.

It's pretty annoying every person that comes in here and says "OMG SO MUCH MONEY!!!11!!1!!" when it isn't that crazy of a deal for a top 10 CB.

JagHombre22
03-02-2007, 08:37 PM
too bad we don't all post 1's like you...

Caddy
03-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Holy **** that is a lot of cash

Borat
03-02-2007, 08:42 PM
How much was the franchise level for CB? I'm guessing it was close to $7.5mil. I don't think that is crazy money for Clements. Now, if it was really 8 years and $80 mil, then it would be insane, but 6 for 44 isn't out of line for a top CB.

draftguru151
03-02-2007, 08:42 PM
too bad we don't all post 1's like you...

Was that supposed to be a joke?

Geo
03-02-2007, 08:44 PM
It's pretty annoying every person that comes in here and says "OMG SO MUCH MONEY!!!11!!1!!" when it isn't that crazy of a deal for a top 10 CB.
Which is why NFLDC is great: we can discern the real figure behind a pretty number and share it among us, meanwhile the "World-wide Leader in Sports" doesn't so much as sniff at the details - even when "analysts" are brought into discussion. :rolleyes:

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 08:48 PM
If Champ Bailey was a FA, he better have got an 8 year deal for 150 mill.

holyschmidt
03-02-2007, 08:52 PM
It's basically a 6 year 45 million dollar deal. No way he sees years 7 and 8. GREAT signing for SF getting the best defensive player in the market. Top 5 CB's don't hit FA very often.

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 08:54 PM
With the gauranteed money, you will pay alot more than 45 mill over 6 years.

holyschmidt
03-02-2007, 08:58 PM
With the gauranteed money, you will pay alot more than 45 mill over 6 years.

WOW, nothing gets past you. No kidding chief. Just pointing out the base salary is not really 8 years 80 mil.

PackerMang
03-02-2007, 09:23 PM
Scouts.com has him rated as only a 4 star Free Agent.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=9&c=12&yr=2007&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16

Larry
03-02-2007, 09:33 PM
For those who are slower:

He.
Will.
Not.
See.
$80 million.

He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.

JoeMontainya
03-02-2007, 09:34 PM
For those who are slower:

He.
Will.
Not.
See.
$80 million.

He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.


Whatever makes you feel better dude.

The Unseen
03-02-2007, 09:43 PM
Whatever makes you feel better dude.

The truth feels good.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-02-2007, 10:50 PM
Too much money. Regardless if he'll ever see the full $80 million or not, he has $22 million guaranteed. The Niners probably could have drafted Leon Hall (who has the potential to be just as good as, if not better than Clements) and saved A LOT of money, which could have gone towards good, modest improvements all across the board over the next few years.

I thought Clements was overrated, but damn. $7.25 million a year (and the $22 million guaranteed) is definitely overpaying.

indyfan1985
03-02-2007, 10:55 PM
****. We so overpaid..

Yeah Id say! You should have taken that money and went after someone like Adalius Thomas. A guy that versitle is worth more than a CB. And to make him the highest paid defensive player in history!?!?! Thats insane especially when the best CB in the league(Champ Bailey) isnt even making that much. I dont even see Clements as a top 5 CB in the league. My top 5 CBs are...

1.Champ Bailey
2. Rashean Mathis
3. Chris McAlister
4. Asante Samuel
5. DeAngelo Hall

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 10:57 PM
Too much money. Regardless if he'll ever see the full $80 million or not, he has $22 million guaranteed. The Niners probably could have drafted Leon Hall (who has the potential to be just as good as, if not better than Clements) and saved A LOT of money, which could have gone towards good, modest improvements all across the board over the next few years.

I thought Clements was overrated, but damn. $7.25 million a year (and the $22 million guaranteed) is definitely overpaying.


Well, the FO doesnt like to draft cornerbacks. I guarantee it, whether they signed clements or not, they would and will never draft a cornerback in round 1. They see it as too big a gamble.

ninerfan
03-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Clements solves a need immediately. It allows the 9ers to now sure up other needs via the draft.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Well, the FO doesnt like to draft cornerbacks. I guarantee it, whether they signed clements or not, they would and will never draft a cornerback in round 1. They see it as too big a gamble.

Yeah, so giving the biggest defensive contract in league history to a guy who isn't even top 5 at his position isn't a gamble?

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 11:07 PM
Yeah, so giving the biggest defensive contract in league history to a guy who isn't even top 5 at his position isn't a gamble?

I never said it wasnt.

Its just MORE of a gamble to draft a R1 CB, at least in the FO's eyes.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-02-2007, 11:10 PM
I never said it wasnt.

Its just MORE of a gamble to draft a R1 CB, at least in the FO's eyes.

I'm not even going to question the FO's thought processes, it became all too clear whenever I saw this Clements deal.

Just wondering, are the same guys in charge who drafted Mike Rumph in 2002?

Geo
03-02-2007, 11:10 PM
I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 11:11 PM
I'm not even going to question the FO's thought processes, it became all too clear whenever I saw this Clements deal.

Just wondering, are the same guys in charge who drafted Mike Rumph in 2002?

No. That was terry donahue. This is Scot Mcloughan/Mike Nolan.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 11:11 PM
I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.

In a KNBR interview, mcloughan said they ranked clements as the best FA out there.

jayceheathman
03-02-2007, 11:19 PM
For those who are slower:

He.
Will.
Not.
See.
$80 million.

He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.

Its called taxes buddy.

aNYtitan
03-02-2007, 11:35 PM
They just threw economics completely out the window in this deal. There is no way to justify Clements being the first $10 million a year defensive player. Off the top of my head I can say that Ed Reed and Champ Bailey are more deserving of that money. But what can you say, the 49ers wanted to make a splash and they made a huge one. Thank God the Titans didnt get into a bidding war for him, he isn't worth even $7.5 million a year. Good job Niners, now we will see what happens to your salary cap in 2 or 3 years

PACKmanN
03-02-2007, 11:35 PM
the funny part is there paying more at the end of his contract so its going to make it hard for them to cut him when he reaches 34/35 and he isnt proforming well.

49ersfan_87
03-02-2007, 11:41 PM
the funny part is there paying more at the end of his contract so its going to make it hard for them to cut him when he reaches 34/35 and he isnt proforming well.


More base salary...not bonus

When the 49ers cut him in 6 seasons they will be saving a ton. You really think hes going to get 36.5 mil over the last 2 seasons of his contract?

cunningham06
03-02-2007, 11:49 PM
I'm sure the thinktank of the 49ers, in their analysis of the free agent market, compared the search for and development of a cornerback versus a 3-4 outside linebacker in terms of draft prospects, and ultimately sided with Nate Clements over Adalius Thomas.

Exactly, it's much harder to find a dominant CB than a dominant 3-4 LB. In the right system, just about any LB can be good, but when you are playing a position with the kind of responsibility that a CB has, not just anyone can handle that role.

eastside49er
03-03-2007, 01:05 AM
The Niners had a great Friday. They signed 3 starting defensive players. Lewis (S) from the Eagles, Franklin (NT/DT) from the Ravens and arguably the best FA this year, Clements (CB) from the Bills. Nolan said late Friday that they will be in talks with Thomas tomorrow and also have players like Bennett and Stallworth on their radar as well.

If they some how steal Thomas away from the Pats, while also getting a good WR in Stallworth or Bennett, all I can say is watch out for the Niners in 2007-2008.

holyschmidt
03-03-2007, 01:46 AM
Geez, you people are so dumb. The contract IS NOT 8/80!!! It's 6/45, CLEMENTS WILL NOT SEE YEARS 7 AND 8!!!

Dang, get that through your thick skulls will ya?

LonghornsLegend
03-03-2007, 02:20 AM
The Niners had a great Friday. They signed 3 starting defensive players. Lewis (S) from the Eagles, Franklin (NT/DT) from the Ravens and arguably the best FA this year, Clements (CB) from the Bills. Nolan said late Friday that they will be in talks with Thomas tomorrow and also have players like Bennett and Stallworth on their radar as well.

If they some how steal Thomas away from the Pats, while also getting a good WR in Stallworth or Bennett, all I can say is watch out for the Niners in 2007-2008.

how much salary cap space do you think you have? stallworth and thomas along with who they already signed? thats insane....



and i think its a good move, leon hall isnt a for sure thing, could end up like buchanon did, and maybe they wanted an impact player right away at corner....looks like their trying to win the division right now

Shiver
03-03-2007, 02:22 AM
I like this a lot better, when I heard 35$ Million of it will never see the light of day. Now to think of it, great move 49ers.

49ersfan_87
03-03-2007, 02:24 AM
I like this a lot better, when I heard 35$ Million of it will never see the light of day. Now to think of it, great move 49ers.

Exactly. This is pretty good market value for a cornerback.

Im not worried about the money. Im worried he will cash in on his signing bonus and stop being competitive..

holyschmidt
03-03-2007, 02:39 AM
how much salary cap space do you think you have? stallworth and thomas along with who they already signed? thats insane....



and i think its a good move, leon hall isnt a for sure thing, could end up like buchanon did, and maybe they wanted an impact player right away at corner....looks like their trying to win the division right now

Well, they had 37 going into today. Clements will probably be a cap hit of 8-9 million. Lewis about 2-3. Franklin about 1-2. So the still have 25 or so million in cap room. They can sign Thomas or Stallworth if they choose which is scary,

Borat
03-03-2007, 03:24 AM
This thread became pretty funny. It amazes me just how badly people misunderstand the salary cap. Great deal for SF.

flave1969
03-03-2007, 11:34 AM
For those who are slower:

He.
Will.
Not.
See.
$80 million.

He's making a little over 7 million a year for the first 6 years.
7.25 x 6 = 43.5

That means he makes 37 million over the last 2 years, you really think he's going to see that money?

Don't be naive. This is a 6 year 43.5 million dollar contract.




His Signing Bonus is 22 million pro rated over the length of the contract that is 2.75 million per year he receives all of that

If he does last six years and gets paid $43.5 million and then gets cut, the Niners will still have $5.5million in dead cap, so in essence the contract will cost $49 million, even if they dont physically pay that. That is still money they cannot use when he is gone.

My team has seen it time and time again. Your team were crippled after the first years of free agency. Had the Redskins done this you would be laughing hard. I suggest you look in the mirror and realise that this was way too much for a player recognised not being in the Top 5 of his position.

Also if he is a bust, or gets injured the 49ers have saddled a huge dead cap hit on themselves. You will feel this, just like us Redskin fans do with Archuleta and Lloyd. I hope you guys dont regret it too bad.

yourfavestoner
03-03-2007, 11:46 AM
It's pretty annoying every person that comes in here and says "OMG SO MUCH MONEY!!!11!!1!!" when it isn't that crazy of a deal for a top 10 CB.

I agree. Look at the contract Brian Williams got from the Jaguars last year: 6 years, $32 million, with a $10 million signing bonus. And that's for a guy who wasn't even a consistent starter for his former team.

Everybody really just needs to calm down. Like it's been said, he'll never see the last two years of the contract. A 6 year, $40-ish million contract sounds just about right, although, I'd say they forked up too much in terms of guaranteed money.

AS11toFG21
03-03-2007, 11:46 AM
His Signing Bonus is 22 million pro rated over the length of the contract that is 2.75 million per year he receives all of that

If he does last six years and gets paid $43.5 million and then gets cut, the Niners will still have $5.5million in dead cap, so in essence the contract will cost $49 million, even if they dont physically pay that. That is still money they cannot use when he is gone.

My team has seen it time and time again. Your team were crippled after the first years of free agency. Had the Redskins done this you would be laughing hard. I suggest you look in the mirror and realise that this was way too much for a player recognised not being in the Top 5 of his position.

Also if he is a bust, or gets injured the 49ers have saddled a huge dead cap hit on themselves. You will feel this, just like us Redskin fans do with Archuleta and Lloyd. I hope you guys dont regret it too bad.

His signing bonus is likely going to be pro-rated over the first 6 years of the contract, meaning there will be no cap hit when he's released. And you really cant compare a player like Clements to guys like Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuletta (At least when the Skins signed him).

For a top 10 corner, it's a very reasonable deal given inflation and the market.

flave1969
03-03-2007, 12:08 PM
His signing bonus is likely going to be pro-rated over the first 6 years of the contract, meaning there will be no cap hit when he's released. And you really cant compare a player like Clements to guys like Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuletta (At least when the Skins signed him).

For a top 10 corner, it's a very reasonable deal given inflation and the market.

Look lets not kid ourselves here.

Its the signing bonus thats the killer here.

If it is pro rated over six years then that is $3.66 million a year. The guy who quoted $7.25 a year infers that he will average $3.59 million in base salary a year.

Now if I see a contract on paper that has a straight $3.59 base salary every year fine. But any of us that study this knows that contracts are almost always backloaded these days and that means it may be low to start with but will escalate quickly.

Dont be surprised if you see potential cap hits of between 9-10 milion or more in years 4,5 and 6 of the contract and that can cause real problems. I have seen it with the Redskins time and again.

If the Niners need to negotiate with Clements say in year 3 or 4, Clements is in an amazingly strong position. You cant cut him because you will see a dead cap hit of between 11-14 million, and if you want to keep him you have to inevitably give him more guaranteed money.

Signing bonuses are the real problem here and his is about 6-8 million to large IMO.

Larry
03-03-2007, 12:40 PM
Yeah, so giving the biggest defensive contract in league history to a guy who isn't even top 5 at his position isn't a gamble?

Who the heck makes signing based upon where a player is ranked at his position? That logic makes no sense.

Larry
03-03-2007, 12:46 PM
His Signing Bonus is 22 million pro rated over the length of the contract that is 2.75 million per year he receives all of that

If he does last six years and gets paid $43.5 million and then gets cut, the Niners will still have $5.5million in dead cap, so in essence the contract will cost $49 million, even if they dont physically pay that. That is still money they cannot use when he is gone.

My team has seen it time and time again. Your team were crippled after the first years of free agency. Had the Redskins done this you would be laughing hard. I suggest you look in the mirror and realise that this was way too much for a player recognised not being in the Top 5 of his position.

Also if he is a bust, or gets injured the 49ers have saddled a huge dead cap hit on themselves. You will feel this, just like us Redskin fans do with Archuleta and Lloyd. I hope you guys dont regret it too bad.


No one laughs at the redskins for spending money on players. They laugh at the redskins because they spend it on the wrong players.

yourfavestoner
03-03-2007, 12:55 PM
Look lets not kid ourselves here.

Its the signing bonus thats the killer here.

If it is pro rated over six years then that is $3.66 million a year. The guy who quoted $7.25 a year infers that he will average $3.59 million in base salary a year.

Now if I see a contract on paper that has a straight $3.59 base salary every year fine. But any of us that study this knows that contracts are almost always backloaded these days and that means it may be low to start with but will escalate quickly.

Dont be surprised if you see potential cap hits of between 9-10 milion or more in years 4,5 and 6 of the contract and that can cause real problems. I have seen it with the Redskins time and again.

If the Niners need to negotiate with Clements say in year 3 or 4, Clements is in an amazingly strong position. You cant cut him because you will see a dead cap hit of between 11-14 million, and if you want to keep him you have to inevitably give him more guaranteed money.

Signing bonuses are the real problem here and his is about 6-8 million to large IMO.

So basically what you're saying is that they're screwed if they have to restructure his contract in years 3-6, and I would have to agree, especially if they have to do it to resign key players whose rookie contracts are expiring (Smith, Gore, their young offensive line).

49ersfan_87
03-03-2007, 03:50 PM
So basically what you're saying is that they're screwed if they have to restructure his contract in years 3-6, and I would have to agree, especially if they have to do it to resign key players whose rookie contracts are expiring (Smith, Gore, their young offensive line).


The 49ers still have about 23-26 mil of cap room for this year. The cap goes up next year as well, and larry allen's and bryant young's contracts both go off the books next season, clearing 9 mil on top of the 7 mil its going up. They should be fine and i think could support another big contract if it is well structured like the clements deal.

And ill agree, the guaranteed money was about 7 mil more than my liking. But you have to overpay for players in FA, otherwise you dont get them. I hope the reward outweighs the risk.

flave1969
03-03-2007, 05:39 PM
The 49ers still have about 23-26 mil of cap room for this year. The cap goes up next year as well, and larry allen's and bryant young's contracts both go off the books next season, clearing 9 mil on top of the 7 mil its going up. They should be fine and i think could support another big contract if it is well structured like the clements deal.

And ill agree, the guaranteed money was about 7 mil more than my liking. But you have to overpay for players in FA, otherwise you dont get them. I hope the reward outweighs the risk.


It may well do, Clements is a decent player and could lock down the position for a few years.