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yourfavestoner
11-10-2008, 04:44 AM
I did coke for the first time in a long time and I'm incredibly yakked out right now. There, I said it. Mods, infract and suspend me, just leave my post alone. Don't censor your posters, as they are the life of this website.

So get ready for my longest post in a long time. I apologize for the tagents.

I went to the KC vs SD game. It was like 65 degrees, so, southern California by like I am, I was naturally freezing my ass off. But I paid attention to a few matchups in particular.

-Brandon Albert absolutely owned Jyles Tucker all day. To be quite frank, Tyler Thigpen didn't really have to move his feet at all today, and the times he did, it seemed like he easily escaped San Diego pressure. Thigpen's a scrappy son of a gun. I'm very interested to see what he does the rest of the season, now that teams have some tape on him.

-Antonio Cromartie is terrible, but I'm not sure it's all his fault. I never saw Cromartie play closer than seven yards off the receiver he was supposed to be guarding, and SD had him playing a lot of zone. He has trouble reading the quarterback when he has two offensive players in his area. Meaning, he gets looked off easily. He chases the outside receiver inside too often when the inside receiver is coming back in. Kid has a lot of work to do in cleaning up his coverage. He's really not that good without Shawne Merriman being in the quarterback's face on every play and forcing errant throws.

-The PI call at the end of the game on KC was BS.

-Philip Rivers' arm is painfully weak. When he throws the out, I swear it takes the ball forever to get there. Rivers' greatest strength comes in his ability to read defenses and look safeties and linebackers off. He is excellent at this.

-I was extremely impressed with Kansas City's young safety duo. Both fly to the ball in run support and have good range playing the deep half of the field in KC's Tampa Two scheme. KC's young corner's got abused today though.

-I have endzone seats. Considering that I am an offensive line coach, this is very pleasurable for me, as I get to pay close attention to the offensive lines and their schemes. I have to say, SD's offensive line is still very good at run blocking. LT, injured or not, was clearly not running with the same vision that he used to have. I've had season tickets for the past three years in these endzone seats (although this is the first game I've been to this year), but the difference in running style was painfully obvious. LT ran with some of the best vision I've ever seen. He literally used to see cutback lanes before they opened up, a beautiful thing to watch. This year, something's off. Like I said, it's not 100% the foot injury. He's just not seeing the field like he has in previous years.

-Conversely, I hope LJ gives a 100% effort for the Chiefs when he comes back. The Chiefs offensive line isn't bad by any means. TBH, Albert and Waters already look like they're forming into a formidable combo.

-I loved the move by Herman Edwards to go for two. You're 1-7 and you're away. You've got nothing else to lose this season. Give your players the opportunity to make big plays and see if they come through in the clutch. That's what football is all about, after all. Fantasy football really has ruined the average football fan's idea of what a "good" player is. I don't care how many stats a guy can put up in garbage time or against garbage teams. The film is the only way you can tell if a certain player has the "it" factor. And all the "it" factor is, is how a player responds in the clutch. Big time players make big time plays in big games. Front runners do well when everything's going well, but take a dump when their team needs them the most.

-I love how Pittsburgh and Indianapolis use incredibly similar players Troy Polamalu and Bob Sanders in completely different ways. They both really are two fun players to watch.

-Learn about The Secret (http://www.thesecret.tv/). I swear, if anybody is an example of it, it's the Giants. To sum it up for you guys, I'll say this: in sports, success brings confidence and confidence brings more success. The Giants know and believe that they are better than everyone else. People who doubted how good they would be this year were fools. Football, like basketball, is very much an EFFORT game. And your effort is a reflection of your attitude. If you have a group of men who are focused on the same goals and buy into the program, their effort will reflect it. Subsequently, their play will reflect it as well.

-To further that, I'll say this: people can hate on Eli all they want about his consistency, but I can tell you this about the guy: he has made a habit of coming through in the clutch, when his team really needs him. My dad is a Giants fan, so I've watched Eli's maturation quite closely. He's not a guy that's going to wow you with his precision and consistency, like his brother. But to be quite honest, if the game is on the line, and we're in a pressure cooker situation, I'd take Eli over his brother.

-I'd also like to take this time to make a tribute to the city of San Diego. You really are America's Finest City. You have the most beautiful women and people with the most laid back personalities. I literally saw two or three groups of people lighting up blunts and joints in the smoking sections of the stadium without getting hassled by security or the police. Fans weren't rude or obnoxious to Chiefs fans. It really was a large gathering of people who just wanted to have a good time. People, learn to not take life so seriously. Especially when it comes to sports. You may make fun of your girlfriends and wives for how seriously they take their soap operas and stupid reality TV shows, but realize that sports is just our male version of those things. I wasn't kidding when I said ESPN is really E!SPN. Sports is supposed to be our entertainment - our escape we have from the daily grind. So everybody do me a favor and stop taking it so seriously.

Two random quotes for you all to read and think about: "The more I see, the less I know for sure." - John Lennon

"To live and not to breathe is to die in tragedy." - Billie Joe Armstrong

Burns336
11-10-2008, 04:50 AM
I told you next time you come down...

you missed out on some norco's too.

yourfavestoner
11-10-2008, 04:52 AM
I was only town for the day. And I was with my pops the whole time.

I plan on making an SD visit that is a few days long sometime around Thanksgiving though.

Burns336
11-10-2008, 04:56 AM
I was only town for the day. And I was with my pops the whole time.

I plan on making an SD visit that is a few days long sometime around Thanksgiving though.

Well I'm in PB dude. That's where the action is at anyway. pm me when you're gettin ready.

agree with a lot of your points.

My dad is a charger fan so I watched the game with him and my roommate today.

All I know is if this team was thinking about letting Merriman walk -- they better flip that script real quick.

To go along with that terrible P.I. call on Hart, I have to say the Bowe catch a few plays before that should have been reviewed by the officials. It was much closer than the catch that was reviewed and overturned before it.

yourfavestoner
11-10-2008, 05:02 AM
Well I'm in PB dude. That's where the action is at anyway. pm me when you're gettin ready.

agree with a lot of your points.

My dad is a charger fan so I watched the game with him and my roommate today.

All I know is if this team was thinking about letting Merriman walk -- they better flip that script real quick.

To go along with that terrible P.I. call on Hart, I have to say the Bowe catch a few plays before that should have been reviewed by the officials. It was much closer than the catch that was reviewed and overturned before it.

I actually had a long conversation concerning this with my dad's friend during the game. I thought that they were going to let him walk too (since he's inevitably going to be the highest paid defensive player in league history). This year shows how important he is to them. Their defense, tbh, sucks without him. He's that important and he deserves to be paid accordingly.

Burns336
11-10-2008, 05:09 AM
I actually had a long conversation concerning this with my dad's friend during the game. I thought that they were going to let him walk too (since he's inevitably going to be the highest paid defensive player in league history). This year shows how important he is to them. Their defense, tbh, sucks without him. He's that important and he deserves to be paid accordingly.

Ron Rivera is not going to fix the problems on this D. Ted Cotrell is the same guy he was last here, he was just missing his best player.

The corners are still playing 8 yards off, which is insane. I watch the Cowboys do it every week and I get pissed, so I imagine Charger fans feel the same.

Merriman has a huge effect on about 4 guys. Shaun Phillips, Antonio Cromartie, Quinten Jammer, and Luis Castillo all live off of this guy.

They are all having down years in his absence. His presence on the field allows Castillo and Phillips to avoid double teams and obviously Jammer and Cro reap the benefits of that.

If there was any doubt before, It should be clear to SD fans that Merriman needs to be the top priority, not cromartie.

Gay Ork Wang
11-10-2008, 06:29 AM
Great post, always nice to get some thoughts of people who know their football stuff

ive got to agree on Cromartie being terrible. I think when he was man to man he got often beat by Mark Bradley. Cant believe how hyped he was.

bored of education
11-10-2008, 06:43 AM
Maurice ELggett has no right being on an NFL field. If brandon Flowers, Pat THomas, Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson play thjatgame the outcome is 100x's different. I was hope with the overall play of the offense but some of the 3rd down play calls killed the chiefs.

Branden Albert is the truth.

Number 10
11-10-2008, 07:39 AM
Watch out, the Giants homer comments are headed your way.

vidae
11-10-2008, 09:17 AM
You're right about our corners, but if we have Brandon Flowers in that game it ends up a lot different I think. Carr got abused a bit but he's a rookie and has played well all season so far so I'm not worried about him.

Jughead10
11-10-2008, 09:36 AM
-I'd also like to take this time to make a tribute to the city of San Diego. You really are America's Finest City. You have the most beautiful women and people with the most laid back personalities. I literally saw two or three groups of people lighting up blunts and joints in the smoking sections of the stadium without getting hassled by security or the police. Fans weren't rude or obnoxious to Chiefs fans. It really was a large gathering of people who just wanted to have a good time. People, learn to not take life so seriously. Especially when it comes to sports. You may make fun of your girlfriends and wives for how seriously they take their soap operas and stupid reality TV shows, but realize that sports is just our male version of those things. I wasn't kidding when I said ESPN is really E!SPN. Sports is supposed to be our entertainment - our escape we have from the daily grind. So everybody do me a favor and stop taking it so seriously.

San Diego might be the greatest city in the world. But when I went there, the fans were not warm. Although they were still upset at Eli for the draft day business and they were ready to take it out on all Giant fans.

T-RICH49
11-10-2008, 09:45 AM
To go along with that terrible P.I. call on Hart, I have to say the Bowe catch a few plays before that should have been reviewed by the officials. It was much closer than the catch that was reviewed and overturned before it.

exactly also early in the game Jammer basically held Bowe on a 3rd down that should have been PI but was'nt called

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 10:03 AM
-I loved the move by Herman Edwards to go for two. You're 1-7 and you're away. You've got nothing else to lose this season. Give your players the opportunity to make big plays and see if they come through in the clutch. That's what football is all about, after all. Fantasy football really has ruined the average football fan's idea of what a "good" player is. I don't care how many stats a guy can put up in garbage time or against garbage teams. The film is the only way you can tell if a certain player has the "it" factor. And all the "it" factor is, is how a player responds in the clutch. Big time players make big time plays in big games. Front runners do well when everything's going well, but take a dump when their team needs them the most.

ilu <3

-Learn about The Secret (http://www.thesecret.tv/). I swear, if anybody is an example of it, it's the Giants. To sum it up for you guys, I'll say this: in sports, success brings confidence and confidence brings more success. The Giants know and believe that they are better than everyone else. People who doubted how good they would be this year were fools. Football, like basketball, is very much an EFFORT game. And your effort is a reflection of your attitude. If you have a group of men who are focused on the same goals and buy into the program, their effort will reflect it. Subsequently, their play will reflect it as well.

-To further that, I'll say this: people can hate on Eli all they want about his consistency, but I can tell you this about the guy: he has made a habit of coming through in the clutch, when his team really needs him. My dad is a Giants fan, so I've watched Eli's maturation quite closely. He's not a guy that's going to wow you with his precision and consistency, like his brother. But to be quite honest, if the game is on the line, and we're in a pressure cooker situation, I'd take Eli over his brother.

<3

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 10:20 AM
To add to what you said, I also agree that Tomlinson is at the end of his career. The most glaring issue to me is: he runs scared. He's Shaun Alexander these days. He's affraid of contact.

The guy runs to not get hit, instead of running for yards. And on top of that, all the media love the past 2 years has completely gone to his head. He's a diva, even though we don't hear about it. Its going to be interesting how SD deals with this situation. The truth is, he's not the player he used to be, and won't be any time soon. And the offense revolves around Phillip Rivers now.

As odd as this sounds, Tomlinson and the lack of a real RB in SD is holding this offense and team back.

Xenos
11-10-2008, 11:59 AM
Ron Rivera is not going to fix the problems on this D. Ted Cotrell is the same guy he was last here, he was just missing his best player.

The corners are still playing 8 yards off, which is insane. I watch the Cowboys do it every week and I get pissed, so I imagine Charger fans feel the same.

Merriman has a huge effect on about 4 guys. Shaun Phillips, Antonio Cromartie, Quinten Jammer, and Luis Castillo all live off of this guy.

They are all having down years in his absence. His presence on the field allows Castillo and Phillips to avoid double teams and obviously Jammer and Cro reap the benefits of that.

If there was any doubt before, It should be clear to SD fans that Merriman needs to be the top priority, not cromartie.
Jammer is actually still playing at a high level this year. I was absolutely stunned when I saw him get burned on that first TD. Besides that obvious mistake, he's playing at a pro bowl level this year. Too bad he only has one interception, which means that he won't make it again.

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 12:02 PM
Oh and let's revisit that Shockey trade.

So Shockey quits on a throw and gets chewed out by Brees. Big surprise. For all the talent and heart the guy has, he's dumb as an ox and always injured.

And it looks like he's not the same player he used to be. That leg injury did him in. He's not a great pass catcher anymore. Kevin Boss is not only smarter, a better team player, has better hands, and runs better routes, he's also developing into a more productive pass catching threat than Shockey is at this point in his career.

The only thing Shockey has on Boss is run blocking. And Boss is improving a ton in that respect. So we basically got rid of an injury prone malcontent who's not even as good as our backup TE at this point in his career for a 2nd and 5th. Sweet.

Although it pains me to see Shockey like this. I always liked him. Had tons of potential. And was at one point a dominant TE who was severely underutilized. But at this point in his career, he's not what he used to be. We made the right call.

Eh, maybe Im being hard on Shockey. I still love the guy. And Brees was kind of out of line that time. But it doesn't hide the fact that Shockey's play is going down while Boss's is going up.

diabsoule
11-10-2008, 01:05 PM
Oh and let's revisit that Shockey trade.

So Shockey quits on a throw and gets chewed out by Brees. Big surprise. For all the talent and heart the guy has, he's dumb as an ox and always injured.

And it looks like he's not the same player he used to be. That leg injury did him in. He's not a great pass catcher anymore. Kevin Boss is not only smarter, a better team player, has better hands, and runs better routes, he's also developing into a more productive pass catching threat than Shockey is at this point in his career.

The only thing Shockey has on Boss is run blocking. And Boss is improving a ton in that respect. So we basically got rid of an injury prone malcontent who's not even as good as our backup TE at this point in his career for a 2nd and 5th. Sweet.

Although it pains me to see Shockey like this. I always liked him. Had tons of potential. And was at one point a dominant TE who was severely underutilized. But at this point in his career, he's not what he used to be. We made the right call.

Eh, maybe Im being hard on Shockey. I still love the guy. And Brees was kind of out of line that time. But it doesn't hide the fact that Shockey's play is going down while Boss's is going up.

And people questioned why I absolutely despises/loathed that trade when it was in the preliminary stages of being discussed.

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 01:10 PM
And people questioned why I absolutely despises/loathed that trade when it was in the preliminary stages of being discussed.

yes you did.

i remember being indifferent to it. i felt if we keep him, great, he's still a good player. if we lose him for picks, great, bc we get draft picks and i was high on Kevin Boss. so it was a win win situation for me as a Giants fan.

bantx
11-10-2008, 01:25 PM
To add to what you said, I also agree that Tomlinson is at the end of his career. The most glaring issue to me is: he runs scared. He's Shaun Alexander these days. He's affraid of contact.

The guy runs to not get hit, instead of running for yards. And on top of that, all the media love the past 2 years has completely gone to his head. He's a diva, even though we don't hear about it. Its going to be interesting how SD deals with this situation. The truth is, he's not the player he used to be, and won't be any time soon. And the offense revolves around Phillip Rivers now.

As odd as this sounds, Tomlinson and the lack of a real RB in SD is holding this offense and team back.

Im really getting tired of hearing everyone saying this is the end of LT's career when the man is 29. Hes slowed down this year because of lingering injuries. Hes running scared? "the lack of a real RB in SD is holding this offense and team back." really? When its goalline situation LT will be in there and he runs it up the gut. Yeah hes running scared, but wait you dont watch enough games to make that assumption.

So hes having a slow year, omg his career is over hes not having the most elite season everzz.

49ersfan_87
11-10-2008, 01:46 PM
Bills are collapsing. Lost 4 of their last 5 and their OL is pretty bad right now. Edwards and Lynch haven't played well lately either. That's partly the OL's fault but Edwards just doesn't look the same as he did in the beginning of the season.

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 01:50 PM
Im really getting tired of hearing everyone saying this is the end of LT's career when the man is 29. Hes slowed down this year because of lingering injuries. Hes running scared? "the lack of a real RB in SD is holding this offense and team back." really? When its goalline situation LT will be in there and he runs it up the gut. Yeah hes running scared, but wait you dont watch enough games to make that assumption.

So hes having a slow year, omg his career is over hes not having the most elite season everzz.

the guy is averaging 3.8 ypc. yes, he is running scared, i watch plenty of charger games, i have a vested interest in LT for 2 years in a row now bc he's been on my fantasy teams, and Ive seen the transformation.

the guy avoids contact as much as he can. to me he's running scared. he's a feature back, he's supposed to be doing better than he is. now i also think Norv's ineptitude, while great for developing Rivers, has been a big reason why he's having a down year as well. But when watching him play, the thing that stands out to me is, the guy tries to avoid contact as much as possible. A great runner, which he was for a long time, knows how to get dirty and set an attitude. The attitude is gone with LT. and when thats gone, its dangerous for their futures.

I think Schotty used him better than Norv does. But still, I see a big difference in ability and heart on the guy.

bantx
11-10-2008, 01:53 PM
I just dont see how people can say a football players career is over when hes having a bad year with lingering injuries. But in games hes shown flashes of his past self. People dont take account how a toe injury can effect your play. Look what it has done to DMAC and Antonio Gates just to name a few.

bigbluedefense
11-10-2008, 02:00 PM
I just dont see how people can say a football players career is over when hes having a bad year with lingering injuries. But in games hes shown flashes of his past self. People dont take account how a toe injury can effect your play. Look what it has done to DMAC and Antonio Gates just to name a few.

thats the thing with older RBs though. a lot of times, the wall is sudden. it just hits you and theres no turning back.

a toe injury to DMac is concerning, but not alarming bc he's still young. LT's lingering injuries from last year onto this year raise concerns, bc he has miles on him. we can't just assume that he'll magically become healthy again and poof everything will be ok again. it doesn't work that way, not with older Backs.

think of it this way: he plays KC, Denver, and Oakland twice a year. All 3 of those teams have pathetic defenses. And he still hasn't been able to really light it up, or even have a very good game outside of 2 games this year.

And AJ Smith trying to trade for Michael Bush in my eyes says that the people who know more than any of us do, the guys who are around him every day, see the end coming soon too.

bantx
11-10-2008, 02:07 PM
thats the thing with older RBs though. a lot of times, the wall is sudden. it just hits you and theres no turning back.

a toe injury to DMac is concerning, but not alarming bc he's still young. LT's lingering injuries from last year onto this year raise concerns, bc he has miles on him. we can't just assume that he'll magically become healthy again and poof everything will be ok again. it doesn't work that way, not with older Backs.

think of it this way: he plays KC, Denver, and Oakland twice a year. All 3 of those teams have pathetic defenses. And he still hasn't been able to really light it up, or even have a very good game outside of 2 games this year.

And AJ Smith trying to trade for Michael Bush in my eyes says that the people who know more than any of us do, the guys who are around him every day, see the end coming soon too.

Im not gonna call his career over based off half a season. Even when hes not the same back he used to be, hes still a great RB. I just hate it when people think someones career is done because of how bad someone performs in half a season. Ill wait till the next season do that.

Burns336
11-10-2008, 02:58 PM
exactly also early in the game Jammer basically held Bowe on a 3rd down that should have been PI but was'nt called

Or Hart holding Gonzo for about 4 seconds on the 2 pt. conversion at the end.

So real bad calls or no calls in both directions.

Burns336
11-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Im not gonna call his career over based off half a season. Even when hes not the same back he used to be, hes still a great RB. I just hate it when people think someones career is done because of how bad someone performs in half a season. Ill wait till the next season do that.

I wouldn't say it's over, but he's on a decline which is much steeper than I anticipated.

Hello Edgerine James career path.

He'll probably play awhile longer and bring those stats up, but the best of LT has passed. I'm assuming what we see this year is what we will see from now on.

He does look to be running a little scared and does seem to be more of a diva. He's just been kinda girly ever since he complained about the Patriots dancing on the field and when he refused to be on the cover of Madden because they wouldn't give him more than the standard $200,000 they give the cover boys.

Pokeys
11-10-2008, 03:47 PM
LOL wtf... Not sure what doing coke has to do with anything, and no just because you say you did it doesn't make you cool.

Did you just figure out Rivers had a weak arm?

Basileus777
11-10-2008, 03:54 PM
Tomlinson has never liked contact, he's always been one to go out of bounds rather than get an extra yard or two. This isn't a new development and doesn't explain his decline.

bantx
11-10-2008, 04:00 PM
Tomlinson has never liked contact, he's always been one to go out of bounds rather than get an extra yard or two. This isn't a new development and doesn't explain his decline.

LT never liked contact......really? LT is the best RB on the goal line, so you've never seen LT's stiffarms? This coming from a guy who thinks DJ is a top 10 linebacker.

vidae
11-10-2008, 04:02 PM
LT never liked contact......really? LT is the best RB on the goal line, so you've never seen LT's stiffarms? This coming from a guy who thinks DJ is a top 10 linebacker.

Oh this is going to be good.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 04:03 PM
the guy is averaging 3.8 ypc. yes, he is running scared, i watch plenty of charger games, i have a vested interest in LT for 2 years in a row now bc he's been on my fantasy teams, and Ive seen the transformation.

the guy avoids contact as much as he can. to me he's running scared. he's a feature back, he's supposed to be doing better than he is. now i also think Norv's ineptitude, while great for developing Rivers, has been a big reason why he's having a down year as well. But when watching him play, the thing that stands out to me is, the guy tries to avoid contact as much as possible. A great runner, which he was for a long time, knows how to get dirty and set an attitude. The attitude is gone with LT. and when thats gone, its dangerous for their futures.

I think Schotty used him better than Norv does. But still, I see a big difference in ability and heart on the guy.


I respect your opinions BBD, but I have to disagree here, and with anyone else proclaiming the end of LT.

Forgetting the injuries that slowed him during the first half of the year, there are three players as a whole who are preventing him from breaking some big runs.

1. Mike Goff, RG--The OP in this thread is an offensive line coach and praised this unit, and my mouth slacked a little, no offense. But Goff is the worst offender by far.

If anyone remembers LT's 2006, he earned his MVP running left behind Dielman, McNeill, and a pulling Goff. Well Goff can't move anymore. He literally does not get from his position to outside the left tackle, so LT's bread and butter play is entirely screwed up. Plus he gets no push on the right side, just like...

2. Jeromey Clary, RT, who might be decent depth one day but considering he can't run or pass block, I'm not sure how he's still starting over LJ Shelton. I think he'll lose his job before the season is out. Hardwick too maybe, he is getting pushed deep into the backfield on nearly every play.

3. Lorenzo Neal. FB: as in, his absence. Tolbert can catch a great pass and run with it, but he whiffs on more blocks than Matt Wilhelm does tackles, and he's gotten LT caught in the backfield or at the line literally dozens of times this year already. It's painful to watch.

During my playing days, I always knew that a running game, and really an offense in general, was a living organism. When one organ shuts down, the whole thing starts circling the drain.

Anyone can criticize LT's vision for not finding the holes...but seriously where are the holes? I've got eyes and I watch the tapes, and LT is not getting opportunities. That's his biggest problem right now. Watching the KC game, you can see pretty plainly that his speed is back, and his cutting ability too.

It's not time to give up on LT, it's time to hope his team, especially his blockers, rallies around him. For some reason, possibly good old fashioned insanity, I still think they will.

Basileus777
11-10-2008, 04:11 PM
LT never liked contact......really? LT is the best RB on the goal line, so you've never seen LT's stiffarms? This coming from a guy who thinks DJ is a top 10 linebacker.

I don't think DJ is a top 10 linebacker....I'm not quite sure where you got that impression.

vidae
11-10-2008, 04:14 PM
I don't think DJ is a top 10 linebacker....I'm not quite sure where you got that impression.

Think he got you confused with someone else. Probably me. I think he's a top 10 OLB, not total LB, but whatever.

Geo
11-10-2008, 04:14 PM
2. Jeromey Clary, RT, who might be decent depth one day but considering he can't run or pass block, I'm not sure how he's still starting over LJ Shelton. I think he'll lose his job before the season is out. Hardwick too maybe, he is getting pushed deep into the backfield on nearly every play.
Didn't the Chargers' running game take off last season when Clary entered the starting line-up? I thought I read that somewhere.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 04:15 PM
The "Does LT shy away from contact" argument is impossible to answer. On one hand, he's gone out of bounds throughout his career instead of fighting for that extra inch.

On the other hand, his power, grit and determination on the goal line and usually on short yardage are undeniable, and physical as all hell. And he's never met a monster stiff arm opportunity he hasn't liked.

So it really just comes down to whatever your own personal criteria are.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Didn't the Chargers' running game take off last season when Clary entered the starting line-up? I thought I read that somewhere.

You probably did read that, and it's true, he injected much needed energy into the lineup. Shane Olivea's personal troubles last year and complete lack of effort and ineffectiveness are well documented.

But Clary hasn't held up, or followed through, or whatever. He's not playing well this year by any measurement.

bantx
11-10-2008, 04:18 PM
I don't think DJ is a top 10 linebacker....I'm not quite sure where you got that impression.

you're right it wasnt you my mistake.

Burns336
11-10-2008, 04:25 PM
LT came out about 2 weeks ago and said he is 100% healthy. He told Norv that injuries are no longer and excuse and he wants to be featured more.

He's just on the decline.

Greatness doesn't last forever.

Another thing I've noticed is that he pulls himself out every couple of plays now. He used to never take himself out of the game.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 04:55 PM
LT came out about 2 weeks ago and said he is 100% healthy. He told Norv that injuries are no longer and excuse and he wants to be featured more.

He's just on the decline.

Greatness doesn't last forever.

Another thing I've noticed is that he pulls himself out every couple of plays now. He used to never take himself out of the game.

Obviously I can't come rebut every post, but I respectfully think you're off the mark.

I just don't see how anyone minus Barry Sanders could be putting up superstar numbers behind SD's run blocking this year. It's a combination of toughness, discipline in finding their assignments, and straight up getting some push. All three of those factors have been seriously absent.

Your last point; LT has had guys come in while he takes a breather his whole career. In 2004 Jesse Chatman racked up over 500 yards. Michael Turner...nuff said. And now Darren Sproles has been extremely productive. So there's that.

Finally, way up in this page it got mentioned that LT turned down the Madden cover because he wanted more than 200,000...joking? They could have tripled it and it wouldn't matter to LT's finances. The catch, as reported by the Union Tribune, was that he didn't want to be touring the country promoting the game during the off season. Understandable, given how the 2006 season ended for him. The guy had rehabbing to do.

Geo
11-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Even if LDT has lost half a step, he can still be very effective in the passing game imo. Pass pro and catching passes out of the backfield, he can still get it done. This isn't close to a Shaun Alexander or Jamal Lewis situation.

As for him running scared, that's a very interesting comment from BBD. I haven't seen enough of LDT to put my name to such a definitive statement.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 05:06 PM
Even if LDT has lost half a step, he can still be very effective in the passing game imo. Pass pro and catching passes out of the backfield, he can still get it done. This isn't close to a Shaun Alexander or Jamal Lewis situation.

As for him running scared, that's a very interesting comment from BBD. I haven't seen enough of LDT to put my name to such a definitive statement.

He has been chipping in for the passing game, both in blocking and production: probably his biggest plays this year have come off catches, which is a little sad.

Running scared; I consider BBD a font of knowledge but violently disagree on this point. Nearly as big a dig as that random "Edgerrin James' career path" comment. He's been battling injuries, his own blocking, Rivers' takeoff, and a serious lack of touches. That's a heck of a maelstrom. The number of people who have formed seemingly hardened opinions on Ladainian as he goes through what is obviously a tough season is pretty depressing.

Jvig43
11-10-2008, 08:28 PM
Wait till we see LT next year to argue whether or not hes done. Hes having a bad year, because of injuries or whether hes just declining we'll see. Either way when all is said and done AD > LT imo.

bantx
11-10-2008, 08:43 PM
Wait till we see LT next year to argue whether or not hes done. Hes having a bad year, because of injuries or whether hes just declining we'll see. Either way when all is said and done AD > LT imo.

Are you serious? or do you mean just this year?

619
11-10-2008, 08:48 PM
Are you serious? or do you mean just this year?

It's not that farfetched of a thought, now is it .. ?

bantx
11-10-2008, 08:49 PM
It's not that farfetched of a thought, now is it .. ?

Im not trying to take anything away from AD, but LT is not only a great rusher but he is a great receiving RB also, the season where he had the 100 receptions comes to mind.

CC.SD
11-10-2008, 08:55 PM
AD has a long, long way to go before he enters LT's airspace career-wise but this season there's no comparison.

Jvig43
11-10-2008, 10:08 PM
Are you serious? or do you mean just this year?

I believe when both of their careers are over, which should be a long time from this moment ( Unless Lt really retires in two years like hes been saying) i see AD having the better career. Just my opinion of what ive seen from Lt over his career and AD from his. AD is a nice weapon to throw to as well, not as good as Lt..... yet but who knows.

San Diego Chicken
11-11-2008, 12:13 AM
The Chargers really can't commit to the run, because they've been behind in all 9 games by my count. Tomlinson doesn't run as hard, and the blocking hasn't been good. But if the Chargers could get a lead early in the game for once and stay patient with the run, the lanes will be there in the 4th quarter. I think San Diego is last in the NFL in T.O.P.

CC.SD
11-11-2008, 12:38 AM
The Chargers really can't commit to the run, because they've been behind in all 9 games by my count. Tomlinson doesn't run as hard, and the blocking hasn't been good. But if the Chargers could get a lead early in the game for once and stay patient with the run, the lanes will be there in the 4th quarter. I think San Diego is last in the NFL in T.O.P.

Yeah, our D gets worked in TOP, it's seriously painful to watch. It's been a while since there has been absolutely no pressure on QBs in SD.

vidae
11-11-2008, 12:53 AM
Yeah, our D gets worked in TOP, it's seriously painful to watch. It's been a while since there has been absolutely no pressure on QBs in SD.

Sounds like the Chiefs D!

Xenos
11-11-2008, 01:31 AM
2. Jeromey Clary, RT, who might be decent depth one day but considering he can't run or pass block, I'm not sure how he's still starting over LJ Shelton. I think he'll lose his job before the season is out. Hardwick too maybe, he is getting pushed deep into the backfield on nearly every play.

Jerome Clary is an excellent pass blocker. He's one of the reasons Rivers is doing well this year. Yesterday was a subpar day for him, but still light years better than Olivea. Unfortunately, he's not as good as Olivea in the run blocking department. What we need is someone better to replace Goff. And I like Nick. I honestly do, but he does get pushed around too much against bigger DLineman.

giantsfan
11-11-2008, 04:38 AM
I really hope for the chargers sake that the fire Norv and get a real Head Coach this offseason. That and reworking the offensive line would have LT playing very effectively again, I don't think he'll dominate again but that's just a gut feeling from watching how different he looks this season from seasons past, but with this becoming Rivers' team he doesn't need to be.

7-11
11-11-2008, 04:53 AM
LOL wtf... Not sure what doing coke has to do with anything, and no just because you say you did it doesn't make you cool.

Did you just figure out Rivers had a weak arm?

Assuming he's saying that to excuse his e-motormouth in that post.

Jvig43
11-11-2008, 02:41 PM
The Chargers really can't commit to the run, because they've been behind in all 9 games by my count. Tomlinson doesn't run as hard, and the blocking hasn't been good. But if the Chargers could get a lead early in the game for once and stay patient with the run, the lanes will be there in the 4th quarter. I think San Diego is last in the NFL in T.O.P.

I agree and Rivers is playing well so why not keep letting him do his thing while hes hot excluding this weekends game.

CC.SD
11-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Jerome Clary is an excellent pass blocker. He's one of the reasons Rivers is doing well this year. Yesterday was a subpar day for him, but still light years better than Olivea. Unfortunately, he's not as good as Olivea in the run blocking department. What we need is someone better to replace Goff. And I like Nick. I honestly do, but he does get pushed around too much against bigger DLineman.

I don't even think he's that hot of a pass blocker; being better than Olivea basically means nothing. He gets points for being nimble enough to stay with some speed rushers but overall he does get beat too often; Rivers has been warding off jailbreaks all year because his release is ridiculously fast.

A blue chip RT would have an enormous impact on our O-line. Hopefully AJ has figured this out by now too.

Gay Ork Wang
11-12-2008, 09:07 AM
LOL wtf... Not sure what doing coke has to do with anything, and no just because you say you did it doesn't make you cool.

Did you just figure out Rivers had a weak arm?

u really have no idea who u are talking to

CC.SD
11-12-2008, 09:33 AM
u really have no idea who u are talking to

http://www.topnews.in/light/files/clint-eastwood-dirty-harry.JPG

Do ya punk?

Xenos
11-12-2008, 11:17 AM
I don't even think he's that hot of a pass blocker; being better than Olivea basically means nothing. He gets points for being nimble enough to stay with some speed rushers but overall he does get beat too often; Rivers has been warding off jailbreaks all year because his release is ridiculously fast.

A blue chip RT would have an enormous impact on our O-line. Hopefully AJ has figured this out by now too.
Ever since he took over for Olivea, he's been our best pass blocker. Heck, unlike LJ Shelton or McNeill, Clary is playing on an island by himself without a TE to help out.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-12-2008, 11:40 AM
The "Does LT shy away from contact" argument is impossible to answer. On one hand, he's gone out of bounds throughout his career instead of fighting for that extra inch.

On the other hand, his power, grit and determination on the goal line and usually on short yardage are undeniable, and physical as all hell. And he's never met a monster stiff arm opportunity he hasn't liked.

So it really just comes down to whatever your own personal criteria are.

I think he's smart-physical. Like I haven't seen much of him because I don't get many SD games, but I'd imagine that he isn't running out of bounds with a 7 yard gain when it is 3rd and 8. He's gonna save himself for more important yards rather than taking a hit, which is smart if he wants his career to last long.

As for his career being over, I disagree. He is still a very effective RB. However, I think his time at the pinnacle of NFL RBs has passed. IMO AD has now surpassed him, and Portis very possibly as well(depending on if he can sustain his success for more than just this season). However, most teams would still kill for Tomlinson. Hell, I'm kinda happy we have Tatum Bell back...

CC.SD
11-12-2008, 12:02 PM
I think he's smart-physical. Like I haven't seen much of him because I don't get many SD games, but I'd imagine that he isn't running out of bounds with a 7 yard gain when it is 3rd and 8. He's gonna save himself for more important yards rather than taking a hit, which is smart if he wants his career to last long.

As for his career being over, I disagree. He is still a very effective RB. However, I think his time at the pinnacle of NFL RBs has passed. IMO AD has now surpassed him, and Portis very possibly as well(depending on if he can sustain his success for more than just this season). However, most teams would still kill for Tomlinson. Hell, I'm kinda happy we have Tatum Bell back...

I'd be very happy to get Tatum back. He's way better than...no one?

As for LT--I can't make that call yet. He's been looking better and better the last couple weeks and I keep hearing that eventually we are gonna rededicate our offense to the run. A mistake IMO given how Rivers is playing and how our O-line is blocking, but no one knows what the future holds.

bored of education
11-12-2008, 12:15 PM
I'd be very happy to get Tatum back. He's way better than...no one?(you ;))

As for LT--I can't make that call yet. He's been looking better and better the last couple weeks and I keep hearing that eventually we are gonna rededicate our offense to the run. A mistake IMO given how Rivers is playing and how our O-line is blocking, but no one knows what the future holds.

helped you there!

jth1331
11-12-2008, 01:06 PM
I want to add a couple things:

LT is on the DECLINE. He is past his prime. Look at all the RB's, most of them hit their wall FAST. Hell, Curtis Martin hit his so fast nobody knew wtf was going on.
LT isn't a top RB anymore. He still is successful because he can find his way into the end zone behind that powerful OL and is very successful in the passing game. However, he is on the decline. I love how Charger fans try to counter by the injury statement and the poor run blocking. Whatever, dude may be only 29, but in RB's terms, thats like being 36 for a WR.

And Adrian Peterson is better than Tomlinson. Peterson could be a good pass catcher if the Vikings gave him the opportunity. I love to point and laugh at all the people I know who thought Peterson would fail due to injuries. Dude is rock solid with some freak injuries.

And for Rivers, I hate to say it but he looks like a solid QB. He can't fire passes in, but he still has a decent deep ball.