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Ozzy
11-10-2008, 07:06 PM
This is a list of what I feel are the best prospects right now by position. Kind of puts things into perspective, and sure some of the younger players might get injured or not continue to improve. However flat out, regardless of class these are the players that have impressed me the most this season and have the most potential as NFL prospects either right now or in the future.


QB
Matthew Stafford Georgia 6-3 237 JR
Mark Sanchez USC 6-3 225 JR
Josh Freeman Kansas State 6-6 250 JR
Nate Davis Ball State 6-2 217 JR
Jevan Snead Ole Miss 6-3 215 SOPH


RB
Chris Wells Ohio State 6-1 237 JR
Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5-11 207 SOPH
LeSean McCoy Pitt 5-11 210 SOPH
Charles Scott LSU 5-11 221 JR
Javon Ringer Michigan St. 5-9 202 SR


FB
Stanley Havili USC 6-0 225 SOPH
Quinn Johnson LSU 6-2 238 SR
Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech 6-0 228 SOPH
Charles Clay Tulsa 6-1 222 SOPH
Conredge Collins Pitt 6-0 230 SR


WR
Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6-3 215 SOPH
Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6-3 200 FR
Julio Jones Alabama 6-4 210 FR
Dez Bryant Oklahoma State 6-2 210 SOPH
Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6-1 200 SOPH


TE
Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma 6-6 260 JR
Chase Coffman Missouri 6-6 245 SR
Rob Gronkowski Arizona 6-6 260 SOPH
Dennis Pitta BYU 6-5 250 JR
Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6-6 260 SR


OT
Andre Smith Alabama 6-4 330 JR
Ciron Black LSU 6-5 320 JR
Michael Oher Mississippi 6-5 325 SR
Russell Okung Oklahoma State 6-5 300 JR
Eugene Monroe Virginia 6-5 310 SR


OG
Herman Johnson LSU 6-7 350 SR
Duke Robinson Oklahoma 6-5 335 SR
Thomas Claiborne Boston College 6-3 325 SOPH
Rodney Hudson Florida State 6-3 285 SOPH
Maurkice Pouncey Florida 6-4 310 SOPH


C
Alex Mack Cal 6-4 320 SR
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas 6-4 305 SR
Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6-3 305 SR
Brett Helms LSU 6-3 290 SR
Max Unger Oregon 6-5 305 SR


DE
Brian Orakpo Texas 6-4 260 SR
Tyson Jackson LSU 6-4 295 SR
Corey Wootton Northwestern 6-7 270 JR
George Selvie South Florida 6-4 255 JR
Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech 6-4 270 SOPH


DT
Fili Moala USC 6-5 300 SR
Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6-2 310 SR
Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6-2 300 JR
Terrence Cody Alabama 6-5 365 JR
Marvin Austin North Carolina 6-3 305 SOPH


ILB
Rolando McClain Alabama 6-4 250 SOPH
Obi Ezeh Michigan 6-2 250 SOPH
Brandon Spikes Florida 6-3 250 JR
James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6-3 245 SR
Rey Maualuga USC 6-2 260 SR


OLB
Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6-3 250 SR
Navorro Bowman Penn State 6-1 230 SOPH
Brian Cushing USC 6-3 255 SR
Sean Weatherspoon Missouri 6-1 235 JR
Sean Spence Miami FL 6-0 202 FR


CB
Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St. 6-1 201 SR
Vontae Davis Illinois 6-0 205 JR
Captain Munnerlyn South Carolina 5-9 190 JR
Victor Harris Virginia Tech 6-0 190 SR
DJ Moore Vanderbilt 5-10 185 JR


SS
Eric Berry Tennessee 5-11 210 SOPH
Taylor Mays 6-3 230 JR
William Moore Missouri 6-1 230 SR
Patrick Chung Oregon 5-11 205 SR
Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech 6-1 200 SOPH


FS
David Bruton Notre Dame 6-2 212 SR
Rashad Johnson Alabama 6-0 190 SR
Chris Culliver South Carolina 6-0 190 SOPH
Demetrice Morley Tennessee 6-0 185 JR
Troy Nolan Arizona State 6-2 207 JR

sodar21
11-10-2008, 07:07 PM
Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech.

SuperKevin
11-10-2008, 07:29 PM
Jonathan Dwyer is a HB. He's only listed at FB because FB is the primary rushing position in Paul Johnson's triple option

Brent
11-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Jevan Snead Ole Miss 6-3 215 SOPH
He's going to be a star.

Vox Populi
11-10-2008, 07:43 PM
Marvin Austin should be on top of that list of DTs without any questions asked. Hes straight ridiculous.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-10-2008, 07:48 PM
Josh Freeman?haha.

illmatic74
11-10-2008, 07:55 PM
QB
Matthew Stafford
Sam Bradford
Mark Sanchez
Nate Davis
Jimmy Clausen
HB
Chris Wells
Knowshon Moreno
LeSean Mccoy
Johnathan Dwyer
WR
Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Arrelious Benn
Dez Bryant
Julio Jones
A.J Green
DeAndre Brown
Malcolm Floyd
TE
Jermaine Gresham
Rob Gronkowski
Aaron Hernandez
Blake Ayles
Kyle Rudolph
OL
Eugene Monroe
Michael Oher
Andre Smith
Alex Mack
Ciron Black
Eben Britton
Sam Young
Seantrel Henderson
DE
George Selvie
Brian Orapoko
Greg Hardy
Carlos Dunlap
Everson Griffin
Daquan Bowers
DT
Marvin Austin
Senterrick Marks
Marcus Forston
MLB
James Lauranatis
Ray Maulauga
Brandon Spikes
Rolando McClain
OLB
Aaron Curry
Sean Witherspoon
Martez Wilson
CB
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Donovan Warren
Eric Berry
S
Taylor Mays
William Moore
Eric Berry
Chad Jones

619
11-10-2008, 08:06 PM
AJ Green nowhere to be found. I am disgusted.

illmatic74
11-10-2008, 08:16 PM
AJ Green nowhere to be found. I am disgusted. I have A.J green listed

619
11-10-2008, 08:34 PM
I have A.J green listed

Yeah, I was referring to the original post. Granted I do understand how difficult it actually is narrowing it down to only five receivers given the excess of talent throughout the country. They are all special so you probably can't go wrong either way.

Ozzy
11-10-2008, 08:39 PM
Yeah, I was referring to the original post. Granted I do understand how difficult it actually is narrowing it down to only five receivers given the excess of talent throughout the country. They are all special so you probably can't go wrong.AJ Green is clearly a talent and yes if the list was 8 receivers he would make the list. As for Dwyer I vision him as a FB because he would be one hell of a FB because he would actually be a threat on the field and I think he is big enough and stout enough to be a solid blocker potentially. Clearly the FB position to me, versatility means a lot and players who can play FB and make plays are very valuable. I want to see another Larry Centers in the league to be honest.

Only reason I made this list is because it kind of helps put in perspective some of the prospects. We all know on here Eric Berry is probably the best defensive back in the nation. Then we have the fact that this years freshman class of receivers is flat outstanding. And the common knowledge that the senior class of QBs and RBs is pretty weak in terms of star potential.

I am sorry I did honestly forget Taylor Mays, he is clearly in the picture at SS, my apologizes I will add him in.

Ozzy
11-10-2008, 08:52 PM
illmatic74 nice sharing your thoughts, however some of the things on this list really makes me question how you made this.


Johnathan Dwyer- he is a elite RB? Maybe but seriously not sure he has the quickness to be an absolute elite RB.

DeAndre Brown- interesting, I have never seen this kid play but obviously is a massive young man, seems to be a great collection of this big tall receivers in this freshman class.

Blake Ayles- odd considering he has barely done anything on USC this year, sure has talent but honestly he has to prove it first, he has proven nothing and clearly McCoy is going to play over him at this point.

Seantrel Henderson- he is a JR in high school, I am all about giving Minnesota kids props, and this kid could be a star but seriously he is not even in college. Unless there are two guys with this same name, maybe I am mistaken.

Daquan Bowers- I am flat out disappointed in him, really is slow, seems to be out of shape and is not making the difference I thought he would make at DE on Clemson.

Marcus Forston- would be great if he was that great but really has not played that well this year, good but not great.

Rolando McClain- no way McClain is playing at a level below these players, and physically no way he is below them either.

Eric Berry- in terms of production, potential and overall speed he is easily the best defensive back in the nation, no question about it in my mind.

HawkeyeFan
11-10-2008, 08:52 PM
So no Shonn Greene? wwow.

ElectricEye
11-10-2008, 08:55 PM
As for Dwyer I vision him as a FB because he would be one hell of a FB because he would actually be a threat on the field and I think he is big enough and stout enough to be a solid blocker potentially. Clearly the FB position to me, versatility means a lot and players who can play FB and make plays are very valuable. I want to see another Larry Centers in the league to be honest.

He isn't really a fullback though. No one is going to play him there at the next level. He might be big enough and be able to block adequately, but no one is going to play him there. Versatility from a fullback really isn't that important right now. The position is pretty much dead. A lot of single back stuff being run in the NFL right now. When the fullbacks are actually on the field, the vast majority of them have no responsibility as a skill position player at all. All those guys are kinda fun to play around with in NCAA, but most of them won't do much in the NFL unless they're great blocking.

Besides, with two back systems, there's virtually no use for versatile fullbacks.

soybean
11-10-2008, 08:56 PM
the josh freeman love has got to stop.

619
11-10-2008, 08:59 PM
So no Shonn Greene? wwow.

Do you honestly expect Greene to be listed among guys like Beanie Wells, LeSean McCoy, Knowshon Moreno, etc. ? That's asking a lot when there are only a select few.

foozball
11-10-2008, 09:01 PM
no chad jones on original list?

LonghornsLegend
11-10-2008, 09:19 PM
Yea I'd probably include AJ Green in any list I put Julio Jones are, I like the TO and Randy Moss thing, same number, same class, the way both of them play the WR position as a freshman is off the charts, and phsyically you can't ask for anything more.


They are going to be incredible prospects battling for that top WR spot all the way to their Junior year, Julio looks more complete but the way AJ can go up and grab the ball out of the air is uncanny and I haven't seen his type of ball skills since Larry Fitzgerald.

Brent
11-10-2008, 09:21 PM
homer mention: QB Jerrod Johnson

BUSTKUNTLAWL
11-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Bryant & Floyd, but no Rejus Benn.. Cute list.

illmatic74
11-10-2008, 09:27 PM
illmatic74 nice sharing your thoughts, however some of the things on this list really makes me question how you made this.


Johnathan Dwyer- he is a elite RB? Maybe but seriously not sure he has the quickness to be an absolute elite RB.

DeAndre Brown- interesting, I have never seen this kid play but obviously is a massive young man, seems to be a great collection of this big tall receivers in this freshman class.

Blake Ayles- odd considering he has barely done anything on USC this year, sure has talent but honestly he has to prove it first, he has proven nothing and clearly McCoy is going to play over him at this point.

Seantrel Henderson- he is a JR in high school, I am all about giving Minnesota kids props, and this kid could be a star but seriously he is not even in college. Unless there are two guys with this same name, maybe I am mistaken.

Daquan Bowers- I am flat out disappointed in him, really is slow, seems to be out of shape and is not making the difference I thought he would make at DE on Clemson.

Marcus Forston- would be great if he was that great but really has not played that well this year, good but not great.

Rolando McClain- no way McClain is playing at a level below these players, and physically no way he is below them either.

Eric Berry- in terms of production, potential and overall speed he is easily the best defensive back in the nation, no question about it in my mind.First I listed the players in no particular order. Dwyer is averging 6.6 yds per pop which I like. Ayles was a pick on potential. Forston and Bowers I picked because even though they are not dominating(they are only freshman)the fact that they are starting as freshman and contributing at some degree tells something about them. I put Henderson there because he is a very intriguing player. He is an Offensive lineman who is also a divison 1 basketball prospect.

Ozzy
11-10-2008, 09:50 PM
First I listed the players in no particular order. Dwyer is averging 6.6 yds per pop which I like. Ayles was a pick on potential. Forston and Bowers I picked because even though they are not dominating(they are only freshman)the fact that they are starting as freshman and contributing at some degree tells something about them. I put Henderson there because he is a very intriguing player. He is an Offensive lineman who is also a divison 1 basketball prospect.So was Glen Davis, and I still think he might have picked the wrong sport despite his NBA championship. Seriously though to put a JR in high school on a list like this, no idea why that happened. As for the others, yes potential means a lot but high school potential shown and college potential show are two totally different things. As for starting as freshman, yes I agree that means a lot. But you have to produce as a starting freshman, anyone can start, making actual impact game plays is what it is all about regardless of if a prospect starts or not.

ElectricEye
11-10-2008, 10:12 PM
Oh, what the hell. Might as well put up a list for offense at least.

QB;
Sam Bradford, RS Sophomore, Oklahoma
Mark Sanchez, RS Junior, USC
Matt Stafford, Junior, Georgia
Nate Davis, Junior, Ball State
Robert Griffin, Freshman, Baylor

RB:
Chris Wells, Junior, Ohio State
LeSean McCoy, Junior, Pitt
Jonathan Dywer, Sophomore, Georgia Tech
Knowshon Moreno, RS Sophomore, Georgia
DeMarco Murray, RS Sophomore, Oklahoma

WR: (Commands more than five due to the insane Freshman class)
Julio Jones, Freshman, Alabama
Arellious Benn, Sophomore, Illinois
Michael Crabtree, RS Sophomore, Texas Tech
AJ Green, Freshman, Georgia
Dez Byrant, Sophomore, Oklahoma State
Jeremy Maclin, RS Sophomore, Mizzou
Darrius Heyward-Bey, RS Junior, Maryland
DeAndre Brown, Freshman, Southern Miss
Jonathan Baldwin, Freshman, Pitt
Kenny Britt, Junior, Rutgers
TE:
Jermaine Gresham, Junior, Oklahoma
Jared Cook, RS Junior, South Carolina
Kyle Rudolph, Freshman, Notre Dame
Rob Gronkowski, Sophomore, Arizona
Chase Coffman, Senior, Mizzou

OL:
Andre Smith, LT, Junior, Alabama
Michael Oher, LT,Senior, Ole' Miss
Ciron Black, LT, Junior, LSU
Eban Britton, LT, Junior, Arizona
Alex Mack, C, Senior, Cal
Duke Robinson, G, Senior, Oklahoma

I got lazy with the line. Since it's such a crapshoot with the Sophomores and Freshman, I kinda did this the Baseball America way. I did it mostly on tools and early production. A lot of those guys will end up flaming out in a big way though. I'm aware of this.

illmatic74
11-10-2008, 10:25 PM
So was Glen Davis, and I still think he might have picked the wrong sport despite his NBA championship. Seriously though to put a JR in high school on a list like this, no idea why that happened. As for the others, yes potential means a lot but high school potential shown and college potential show are two totally different things. As for starting as freshman, yes I agree that means a lot. But you have to produce as a starting freshman, anyone can start, making actual impact game plays is what it is all about regardless of if a prospect starts or not.Glen Davis was a FB in high school. Henderson has been compared to Orlando Pace something completely different.

Ozzy
11-10-2008, 11:01 PM
Glen Davis was a FB in high school. Henderson has been compared to Orlando Pace something completely different.Oh give me a break, he was a OT prospect potentially, yeah tons of 6-8 300+ pound fullbacks running around in high school? If you are correct that high school coach needs to be fired because that is a serious misallocation of team resources. Yes Henderson is a nice looking prospect and I agree being able to play basketball, especially as a big man really can correlate to football success. Nonetheless, this thread was obviously not about high school prospects, sorry for the confusion.

illmatic74
11-10-2008, 11:25 PM
Oh give me a break, he was a OT prospect potentially, yeah tons of 6-8 300+ pound fullbacks running around in high school? If you are correct that high school coach needs to be fired because that is a serious misallocation of team resources. Yes Henderson is a nice looking prospect and I agree being able to play basketball, especially as a big man really can correlate to football success. Nonetheless, this thread was obviously not about high school prospects, sorry for the confusion.Lighten up I put Henderson in there for fun. Also http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=391378 "A two-sport start in football and basketball. Plays running back and fullback as well as defensive tackle. Averages 25 points and 15 rebounds and has muliple offers from major college powers in both sports".

Dam8610
11-11-2008, 12:53 AM
Marvin Austin should be on top of that list of DTs without any questions asked. Hes straight ridiculous.

Really? I've watched him twice this season and both times have come away extremely underwhelmed considering all the hype he gets. Could be I watched his worst two games of the season though.

OP, how do you not have Bradford as a Top 5 QB prospect?

Sniper
11-11-2008, 01:12 AM
I am sorry I did honestly forget Taylor Mays, he is clearly in the picture at SS, my apologizes I will add him in.

Taylor Mays is a free safety.

SuperKevin
11-11-2008, 01:15 AM
Taylor Mays is a free safety.

Ozzy saw he was big so he instantly makes him a SS

Sniper
11-11-2008, 01:24 AM
Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6-3 200 FR

Floyd isn't even the 2nd best freshman WR, let alone the 2nd best WR in the country. Where is Arrelious Benn?

Corey Wootton Northwestern 6-7 270 JR

Brandon Graham>Corey Wootton.

Obi Ezeh Michigan 6-2 250 SOPH

Absolutely not. I wouldn't put Ezeh in the top 5 in the Big 10, let alone #2 in the country.

Race for the Heisman
11-11-2008, 07:16 AM
This is in terms of the greatest ceiling for juniors (since that is the trend I'm noticing), the best prospect overall for seniors, and then pretty much whoever has shown what for underclassmen.

QB
Jevan Snead
Josh Freeman
Matt Stafford
Christian Ponder
Riley Skinner
Jimmy Clausen
Jarrett Lee

Aside from quarterbacks (who you can watch in a live game and get somewhat of a feel for their ability) it is hard for me to say I watch enough games to adequately supply a list of guys. So, I'll just rattle off a few names (mainly Ohio State players, gotta stick with what you know) who I think have that elite potential:

Adams, Michael - Offensive Tackle - Ohio State
Benn, Arrelious - Wide Receiver - Illinois
Berry, Eric - Safety - Tennessee
Brewster, Michael - Center - Ohio State
Coffman, Chase - Tight End - Missouri
Cooper, Graig - Running Back - Miami
Green, A.J. - Wide Receiver - Georgia
Crabtree, Michael - Wide Receiver - Texas Tech
Haden, Joe - Cornerback - Florida
Heyward, Cameron - Defensive End/Tackle - Ohio State
Jones, Chad - Safety - Louisiana State
Jones, Julio - Wide Receiver - Alabama
Jenkins, Malcolm - Cornerback - Ohio State
Posey, DeVier - Wide Receiver - Ohio State
Spence, Sean - Linebacker - Miami
Williams, Nathan - Defensive End - Ohio State
Wootton, Corey - Defensive End - Northwestern
Wright, Major - Safety - Florida

There's probably a few more but I gotta get to class so they'll have to wait.

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 07:46 AM
Taylor Mays is a free safety.I disagree with that totally, why would you put such a physical hitter as a FS in the NFL? He is a FS at USC because Ellison is better in the box than Mays and Mays is faster and better in coverage than Ellison. Mays could play either position, but yes ideally I think I would want him closer to the action. Why have one of the teams best hitters so far away from the line?


Floyd isn't even the 2nd best freshman WR, let alone the 2nd best WR in the country. Where is Arrelious Benn?Benn is great but he is kind of getting lost in the wash right now. Still a fine prospect but how can one disregard the young receiving talent in the nation, I say two or three of the freshman receivers this year are far more impressive than Benn was last year as a freshman.


QB
Jevan Snead
Josh Freeman
Matt Stafford
Christian Ponder
Riley Skinner
Jimmy Clausen
Jarrett LeeReally? Riley Skinner and Christian Ponder? Ok both kids can play but both have suspect throwing arms, especially Ponder. Ponder is a smart kid manages the game but at least at this point is a far better runner than passer. Should be said what he is doing at FSU is great but again he is arguably a better runner than passer and their passing game is kind of pathetic at times and is mostly little screen passes. Worth a look but I would not consider him a great talent.

Sniper
11-11-2008, 07:52 AM
I disagree with that totally, why would you put such a physical hitter as a FS in the NFL? He is a FS at USC because Ellison is better in the box than Mays and Mays is faster and better in coverage than Ellison. Mays could play either position, but yes ideally I think I would want him closer to the action. Why have one of the teams best hitters so far away from the line?

Because he's really good at being the deep safety in the Cover 1. It's his range that allows Ellison to play close to the LOS.

Benn is great but he is kind of getting lost in the wash right now. Still a fine prospect but how can one disregard the young receiving talent in the nation, I say two or three of the freshman receivers this year are far more impressive than Benn was last year as a freshman.

Which is great and all, but Benn is tearing **** up this year with a wildly inconsistent QB (who was even worse last year). 60 catches, 947 yards, 15.78 ypc. He's Anquan Boldin 2.0.

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 07:56 AM
Which is great and all, but Benn is tearing **** up this year with a wildly inconsistent QB (who was even worse last year). 60 catches, 947 yards, 15.78 ypc. He's Anquan Boldin 2.0.Very true, no one on here is saying he is a bad player, and yeah it is hard to make a WR list of only five players.

Why are people not arguing over the OL selections;)

giantsfan
11-11-2008, 08:13 AM
Ozzy you've been horribly misled if you think Jane is a big hitter and thus should play SS.

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 08:27 AM
Ozzy you've been horribly misled if you think Jane is a big hitter and thus should play SS.So Taylor Mays is not a big hitter? Did you watch him against Arizona at all this year?

Not like youtube is a good scouting tool but does provide some proof that Mays can be a big hitter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsex0ceiDtk

The kid can tackle, and can he play FS with his speed in the open field of course. It is like arguing over which is a fruit, an apple or orange, they are both ******* fruit. Guy tries to accommodate and separate safeties into SS and FS, this is what happens haha

giantsfan
11-11-2008, 08:31 AM
Taylor Mays is soft and mostly gets big hits simply because he's huge and hits receivers who are focused on making the catch or like in that situation flying in on smaller RBs with no where to go. He's really not very tough and regularly playing against NFL athletes he would be completely taken out in the running game. Look he could be a very effective FS playing deep in space, hitting defenseless receivers and playing the pass, but if you're going to ask him come up and help shut down the run you're going to be dissappointed because toughness just isn't his MO.

Yatta!
11-11-2008, 09:32 AM
QB
Matt Stafford, Georgia JR
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma SO
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame SO
Mark Sanchez, USC JR
Nate Davis, Ball State JR

RB
Beanie Wells, Ohio State JR
Lesean McCoy, Pittsburgh SO
Knowshon Moreno, Georgia SO
Demarco Murray, Oklahoma SO
CJ Spiller, Clemson JR

WR
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech SO
Jeremy Maclin, Missouri SO
Darrius Heyward-Bey JR
Julio Jones, Alabama FR
Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State SO

TE
Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma JR
Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State SR
Chase Coffman, Missouri SR
Rob Gronkowski, Arizona SO
Jared Cook, South Carolina JR

OT
Andre Smith, Alabama JR
Michael Oher, Ole Miss SR
Eugene Monroe, Virginia SR
Ciron Black, LSU JR
Russell Okung, Oklahoma State JR

Interior OL
Alex Mack, Cal SR
Duke Robinson, Oklahoma SR
Sergio Render, Virginia Tech JR
Herman Johnson, LSU SR
Kris O'Dowd, USC SO

DE
Everson Griffen, USC SO
Brian Orakpo, Texas SR
Greg Hardy, Ole Miss JR
George Selvie, South Florida JR
Carlos Dunlap, Florida SO

DT
Terrance Cody, Alabama JR
Marvin Austin, North Carolina SO
Senderrick Marks, Auburn JR
Jerry Peria, Ole Miss SR
Fili Moala, USC SR

LB
Rey Maualuga, USC SR
Aaron Curry, Wake Forest SR
Brandon Spikes, Florida JR
James Laurinaitis, Ohio State SR
Rolando McClain, Alabama SO

CB
Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State SR
Vontae Davis, Illinois JR
DJ Moore, Vanderbilt JR
Captain Munnerlyn, South Carolina JR
Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest SR

S
Eric Berry, Tennessee SO
William Moore, Missouri SR
Taylor Mays, USC JR
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech JR
Patrick Chung, Oregon SR

Sniper
11-11-2008, 09:56 AM
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame SO

Everson Griffin, USC, SO


Give me a ******* break.

Race for the Heisman
11-11-2008, 10:05 AM
I disagree with that totally, why would you put such a physical hitter as a FS in the NFL? He is a FS at USC because Ellison is better in the box than Mays and Mays is faster and better in coverage than Ellison. Mays could play either position, but yes ideally I think I would want him closer to the action. Why have one of the teams best hitters so far away from the line?


Benn is great but he is kind of getting lost in the wash right now. Still a fine prospect but how can one disregard the young receiving talent in the nation, I say two or three of the freshman receivers this year are far more impressive than Benn was last year as a freshman.


Really? Riley Skinner and Christian Ponder? Ok both kids can play but both have suspect throwing arms, especially Ponder. Ponder is a smart kid manages the game but at least at this point is a far better runner than passer. Should be said what he is doing at FSU is great but again he is arguably a better runner than passer and their passing game is kind of pathetic at times and is mostly little screen passes. Worth a look but I would not consider him a great talent.

Both can do more than play. I think both have enough tools that they come become quality starters in the NFL. I believe in Skinner more than I do in Ponder at this point, but I think the potential is there as well.

draftguru151
11-11-2008, 10:20 AM
Ozzy you know Sean Taylor played FS at Miami and in the NFL right? Mays can lay the wood but he is much more of a FS than a SS at this point.

SuperKevin
11-11-2008, 10:31 AM
Seriously Ozzy, You're becoming the next The IncredibleDraftDude. That's not a good thing. Just because you can hit doesn't mean you're a SS. Regardless of size and hitting ability, if you have speed and instincts you're going to play FS. Just ask Sean Taylor. You know what, I'll ask him for you. Let me get my Ouija board

Is Taylor Mays a FS?
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Omega/3109/ouija.jpg

Y-E-S. Ok The spirits agree but to make sure let me ask another question.

Is Ozzy a tard?
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Omega/3109/ouija.jpg

Y-E-S. And whoever said Ouija boards weren't real obviously didn't know what they are talking about

Sniper
11-11-2008, 10:44 AM
SK, you're saying Jasper Brinkley wouldn't make a freaky SS?

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 10:52 AM
From what I have seen Taylor Mays does not have the ball skills or coverage skills of a Sean Taylor, not even close. What did he have 1 INT last season? Sean Taylor was a flat out ball hawk and made great plays on the football, that is something Mays is not, or at least from what I have seen he is not. Now does he have speed, of course, could he play FS, sure but I see him as a SS. I do not see him as this weak being who cannot physically tackle anyone. Stupid to argue this, it is like arguing over if a OLB is going to play strong side or weak side.


As for the comparing me to other "posters" what the hell are you doing? This is about NFL prospect conversation right? Take the attempts at your supposedly cute and comical little graphics and insults to the off topic board thanks....

SuperKevin
11-11-2008, 10:55 AM
From what I have seen Taylor Mays does not have the ball skills or coverage skills of a Sean Taylor, not even close. What did he have 1 INT last season? Sean Taylor was a flat out ball hawk and made great plays on the football, that is something Mays is not, or at least from what I have seen he is not. Now does he have speed, of course, could he play FS, sure but I see him as a SS. I do not see him as this weak being who cannot physically tackle anyone. Stupid to argue this, it is like arguing over if a OLB is going to play strong side or weak side.


As for the comparing me to other "posters" what the hell are you doing? This is about NFL prospect conversation right? Take the attempts at your supposedly cute and comical little graphics and insults to the off topic board thanks....

Have you watched a USC game? His interception numbers are low because they play him in deep zone as a last line of defense. Other teams rarely if ever throw deep over the middle against the Trojans out of fear of Taylor Mays.

And sometimes we need a little humor to help us forget how stupid your posts are. It breaks up the monotony

Sniper
11-11-2008, 10:58 AM
From what I have seen Taylor Mays does not have the ball skills or coverage skills of a Sean Taylor, not even close. What did he have 1 INT last season?

Taylor Mays' centerfield ability is the reason you've heard of Kevin Ellison. According to NFL.com, LaRon Landry has zero career interceptions. See how many Redskins fans think LaRon Landry can't cover. Why do you think Chris Horton is having such a great year for the 'Skins?

Stupid to argue this, it is like arguing over if a OLB is going to play strong side or weak side.

Wait, what? Are you really saying there's no difference between a SLB and a WLB?

Sniper
11-11-2008, 10:59 AM
Have you watched a USC game? His interception numbers are low because they play him in deep zone as a last line of defense. Other teams rarely if ever throw deep over the middle against the Trojans out of fear of Taylor Mays.

And sometimes we need a little humor to help us forget how stupid your posts are. It breaks up the monotony

And cfbstats.com says the nation's #1 pass defense is......

USC!

Wonder why that is.

bored of education
11-11-2008, 11:00 AM
And cfbstats.com says the nation's #1 pass defense is......

USC!

Wonder why that is.

Because they own cfbstats.com?

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 11:02 AM
You boys compared him to Sean Taylor, I stated the fact that Sean Taylor was a far better ball hawk. No where on here do I say he cannot play FS. I feel he could play SS and be just as good if not better than at FS. Personally I hate the fact he is played so deep on USC, sure it is to make their defense better but I feel he could make a lot more plays closer to the line of scrimmage.

Nice job debating nothing though, the best you have is arguing over the fact I have Taylor Mays listed as a SS? Try harder.

Nice to have different opinions though.

Sniper
11-11-2008, 11:04 AM
You boys compared him to Sean Taylor, I stated the fact that Sean Taylor was a far better ball hawk. No where on here do I say he cannot play FS. I feel he could play SS and be just as good if not better than at FS. Personally I hate the fact he is played so deep on USC, sure it is to make their defense better but I feel he could make a lot more plays closer to the line of scrimmage.

Nice job debating nothing though, the best you have is arguing over the fact I have Taylor Mays listed as a SS? Try harder.

Nice to have different opinions though.

Did you really say there's no difference between SLB and WLB?

SuperKevin
11-11-2008, 11:05 AM
You boys compared him to Sean Taylor, I stated the fact that Sean Taylor was a far better ball hawk. No where on here do I say he cannot play FS. I feel he could play SS and be just as good if not better than at FS. Personally I hate the fact he is played so deep on USC, sure it is to make their defense better but I feel he could make a lot more plays closer to the line of scrimmage.

Nice job debating nothing though, the best you have is arguing over the fact I have Taylor Mays at FS? Try harder.

Nice to have different opinions though.

Because we all forgot that football is an individual sport right? Who cares if a player doesn't "make plays"? If he helps your defense as a whole that's all you ask for.

bored of education
11-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Did you really say there's no difference between SLB and WLB?

Now that is comical!

Sniper
11-11-2008, 11:06 AM
Personally I hate the fact he is played so deep on USC, sure it is to make their defense better but I feel he could make a lot more plays closer to the line of scrimmage.



Yes, damn Pete Carroll for putting Mays in a position to help the team. Individual stats are what matter, dammit!

bored of education
11-11-2008, 11:07 AM
Maybe they should put Mays at both SLB and WLB, no difference?

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 11:08 AM
Did you really say there's no difference between SLB and WLB?It is the issue that a linebacker is a linebacker, and a safety is a safety. Of course their are differences between a SS and a FS or a WLB and a SLB or a LT and RT. But in a list like this, to make that ones main argue point, arguing over not who is the best prospect but the issue of this prospect is a FS not a SS. Please that is opinion and all of this is projection. It just seems like a sad attempt at trying to find something wrong and argue.

Nice try boys!

Sniper
11-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Maybe they should put Mays at both SLB and WLB, no difference?

Or FS and SS. Or slot receiver and X receiver. Or left tackle/right tackle. Scatback/power back.

They're all the same.

Sniper
11-11-2008, 11:10 AM
It is the issue that a linebacker is a linebacker, and a safety is a safety. Of course their are differences between a SS and a FS or a WLB and a SLB or a LT and RT. But in a list like this, to make that ones main argue point, arguing over not who is the best prospect but the issue of this prospect is a FS not a SS. Please that is opinion and all of this is projection. It just seems like a sad attempt at trying to find something wrong and argue.

So Shawne Merriman and Ray Lewis are the same thing? LaRon Landry and Troy Polamalu are the same thing? It is not the same thing. You grade every player for their respective position. Stop trying to be IncredibleDraftDude v 2.0

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 11:11 AM
So Shawne Merriman and Ray Lewis are the same thing? LaRon Landry and Troy Polamalu are the same thing? It is not the same thing. You grade every player for their respective position. Stop trying to be IncredibleDraftDude v 2.0You appear to be trying a little too hard.

Sniper
11-11-2008, 11:12 AM
You appear to be trying a little too hard.

Not at all, because apparently a FS and a SS are the same thing. A WLB and a SLB are the same thing. Can't I group them all together?

SuperKevin
11-11-2008, 11:13 AM
You appear to be trying a little too hard.

You appear to not be trying hard enough to come across as knowing anything about football.

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 11:22 AM
Not at all, because apparently a FS and a SS are the same thing. A WLB and a SLB are the same thing. Can't I group them all together?The statement was taken out of context. In the early process, a linebacker is a linebacker to me, OLB and ILB are different but all OLBs I group as OLBs. Later and further into their career you categorize them specifically by position.

Sadly again, I thought this would create some prospect discussion not about position discussion. Guess real conversation about prospects rarely happens.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Jack Tatum hit hard he must have been a SS to huh?

thebow305
11-11-2008, 01:01 PM
Bryant & Floyd, but no Rejus Benn.. Cute list.

I agree. Floyd has no business being on that list over Benn.

draftguru151
11-11-2008, 08:54 PM
I'd probably put Gerald McCoy as the top DT. I've never been that impressed with Austin.

JaxJag_1
11-11-2008, 09:15 PM
My Top 5 at each position (no particular order)
QB
Matthew Stafford, Georgia
Mark Sanchez, USC
Nate Davis, Ball State
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
Colt McCoy, Texas

RB
Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
Shonn Greene, Iowa
LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh
Beanie Wells, Ohio State
Javon Ringer, Michigan State

WR
Arrelious Benn, Illinois
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
Julio Jones, Alabama
A.J. Green, Georgia

I'll finish later...........

JaxJag_1
11-11-2008, 09:17 PM
I'd probably put Gerald McCoy as the top DT. I've never been that impressed with Austin.

Right now I would definently say that Gerald McCoy had a stong case as the most dominant DT in college football. It's either him or Peria Jerry from Ole Miss

Ozzy
11-11-2008, 09:26 PM
Right now I would definently say that Gerald McCoy had a stong case as the most dominant DT in college football. It's either him or Peria Jerry from Ole Miss
Most dominate DT at the start of the season was easily Terrence Cody, he changed games. Will take another long look at McCoy against Texas Tech, that will prove a lot, however Roy Miller of Texas is having quite the year also. Yes Jerry too, he is playing wonderful, and a real beast on the field is B.J. Raji. The game he played against Notre Dame was flat out amazing, tackled a Notre Dame RB player by pushing a Notre Dame OG into him.

Then again one has to ask themselves, what is dominating, dominating in terms of run stuffing or dominating in terms of pass rushing? Hard to judge DTs though, take Ricky Jean-Francois and Marlon Favorite of LSU. They both showed absolutely great potential throughout the years, but both are having moderately down years at LSU. Cannot be understated the help one gets by having great players around them on the defensive line.

JaxJag_1
11-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Most dominate DT at the start of the season was easily Terrence Cody, he changed games. Will take another long look at McCoy against Texas Tech, that will prove a lot, however Roy Miller of Texas is having quite the year also. Yes Jerry too, he is playing wonderful, and a real beast on the field is B.J. Raji. The game he played against Notre Dame was flat out amazing, tackled a Notre Dame RB player by pushing a Notre Dame OG into him.

Then again one has to ask themselves, what is dominating, dominating in terms of run stuffing or dominating in terms of pass rushing? Hard to judge DTs though, take Ricky Jean-Francois and Marlon Favorite of LSU. They both showed absolutely great potential throughout the years, but both are having moderately down years at LSU. Cannot be understated the help one gets by having great players around them on the defensive line.

That's true I forgot about Mount Cody as well

Paranoidmoonduck
11-11-2008, 09:52 PM
I'd probably put Gerald McCoy as the top DT. I've never been that impressed with Austin.

I'll admit, I don't get a lot of North Carolina football, but I have liked what I saw from Marvin Austin to date. He's ridiculously mobile for his size and he rushes well if inconsistently. Plus, I'm a sucker for defensive linemen who wear single digit jerseys.

Gerald McCoy probably does deserve the title, but if Austin improves as expected, I think he'll be worth consideration down the road.

kwilk103
11-11-2008, 10:38 PM
*home alert*

soph cb brandon hogan (5'10 186 lbs); played wr last year and in the spring; moved to cb in the fall; physical and can lay some big hits; is getting picked on this year, but has improved every game; gets burned deep occasionally due to his inexperience, but has picked off a few passes; should be really good by his senior year; oh, hasnt played defense since his junior year of high school

freshman free safety robert sands (6'6 205lbs); true freshman starting free safety; has pretty good speed for his size; made a huge play running down the cincy fb who had about 25 yds on him which led to a miss fg; decent in pass coverage, but sometimes a lil confused, but is getting better; doesnt blitz for us, but is pretty good in pass coverage; coaches said he is one of the best safeties for a true freshman they have ever coached; also picked up the playbook faster than any freshman they have seen; biggest concern is him filling out

illmatic74
11-11-2008, 10:43 PM
*home alert*

soph cb brandon hogan (5'10 186 lbs); played wr last year and in the spring; moved to cb in the fall; physical and can lay some big hits; is getting picked on this year, but has improved every game; gets burned deep occasionally due to his inexperience, but has picked off a few passes; should be really good by his senior year; oh, hasnt played defense since his junior year of high school

freshman free safety robert sands (6'6 205lbs); true freshman starting free safety; has pretty good speed for his size; made a huge play running down the cincy fb who had about 25 yds on him which led to a miss fg; decent in pass coverage, but sometimes a lil confused, but is getting better; doesnt blitz for us, but is pretty good in pass coverage; coaches said he is one of the best safeties for a true freshman they have ever coached; also picked up the playbook faster than any freshman they have seen; biggest concern is him filling outA 6'6 safety I have to see this.

kwilk103
11-11-2008, 11:40 PM
A 6'6 safety I have to see this.

he says hes only 6'4, he had his braids in when he was measured; either way, he is noticeably taller than anyone on our defense

http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/RobertSands-BIO.jpg

Pokeys
11-11-2008, 11:44 PM
RB

1. LeSean McCoy Pitt SOPH
2. Chris Wells Ohio State JR
3. C.J. Spiller Clem JR
4. Shonn Greene Iowa JR
5. Jahvid Best Cal SOPH

WR

1.Michael Crabtree Texas Tech SOPH
2. Malcolm Williams Texas FR
3.Jeremy Maclin Missouri SOPH
4. Percy Harvin Florida JR
5.Julio Jones Alabama 6-4 210 FR

DE

1.Brian Orakpo Texas SR
2. Greg Hardy Ole Miss JR
3. George Selvie South Florida JR
4. Michael Johnson Georgia Tech SR
5. Kenny Mainor Troy SR

ILB

1.Rey Maualuga USC SR
2. Jasper Brinkley South Carolina SR
3.Brandon Spikes Florida 6-3 JR
4. Darry Beckwith L.S.U. SR
5.James Laurinaitis Ohio St. SR

OLB

1. Segio Kindle Texas JR
2. Clint Sintim Virginia SR
3. Aaron Curry Wake Forest SR
4. Tyrone McKenzie South Florida SR
5. Anthony Heygood Purdue SR

CB

1. Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St. SR
2. Kevin Barnes Maryland SR
3. Mike Mickens Cinncinati SR
4. Vontae Davis Illinois JR
5. Aaron Williams Texas FR

SS

1. Eric Berry Tennessee SOPH
2. Taylor Mays USC JR
3. William Moore Missouri SR
4. Patrick Chung Oregon SR
5. Michael Hamlin Clemson SR

FS

1. David Bruton Notre Dame SR
2. Nic Harris Oklahoma SR
3. Reshard Langford Vanderbilt SR
4. Demetrice Morley Tennessee 6-0 185 JR
5. C.J. Spillman Marhsall SR

Sniper
11-12-2008, 08:54 AM
Again, Taylor Mays is not a SS. Stop putting him there.

T-RICH49
11-15-2008, 03:10 PM
I know this sounds homer but keep an eye on Dez Briscoe of KU next year.if he duplicates the year he is having he could be a big time sleeper

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 03:28 PM
Again, Taylor Mays is not a SS. Stop putting him there.

i found someone on these boards who knows what they are talking about!

sure his size screams strong safety but if you watch the guy play he plays centerfield better than anyone in the country. people say he is soft but its because hes not asked to play around the line of scrimmage. People underestimate him as a player and he is going to make alot of teams kick themselves for passing on him.

keylime_5
11-15-2008, 03:39 PM
he says hes only 6'4, he had his braids in when he was measured; either way, he is noticeably taller than anyone on our defense

http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/RobertSands-BIO.jpg

i love college measurements. I remember Roy Williams (WR) was listed at 6-5 in college and is now 6-2 in the NFL.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-15-2008, 03:42 PM
Again, Taylor Mays is not a SS. Stop putting him there.
But, but he hits hard.He must be a SS.

And Nic harris as a FS?Hes not even a DB.