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D-Unit
11-13-2008, 01:33 AM
Anyone ever watch him play? I think he's possibly the best player no one has heard of.

Turtlepower
11-13-2008, 01:37 AM
I think Trevor Lewis is the best player no one's heard of even though he plays for Oklahoma.

Tell me more about Joseph, I am thoroughly intrigued cause I have seriously no idea who the heck he is.

Menardo75
11-13-2008, 01:50 AM
I think Trevor Lewis is the best player no one's heard of even though he plays for Oklahoma.

Tell me more about Joseph, I am thoroughly intrigued cause I have seriously no idea who the heck he is.

Travis lewis big fella, no worries. Who does Joseph play for?

holt_bruce81
11-13-2008, 01:55 AM
Travis lewis big fella, no worries. Who does Joseph play for?

Florida Atlantic......I'll be honest, I've never seen him play.

Menardo75
11-13-2008, 01:56 AM
Florida Atlantic......I'll be honest, I've never seen him play.

Yeah niether had I wish I could give some input.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 02:40 AM
He's 6-3, 235 pounds. Plays Inside LB for Florida Atlantic. He's literally a tackling machine. Plays with great range and flies all over the field. Plays with a nasty demeanor and dishes out violent hits with his big frame. His emotion and intensity carryover to his teammates. Yet, the funny thing is...whenever asked about his performance, he's always playing it down talking about it not mattering anymore... he's gotta get ready for the next game...

Statistically, he's Top 10 in the nation so far in Total Tackles (100). Leads the nation in Solo tackles (63). Top 5 for Tackles/Game (11.11/Game - #4 overall). Last year he finished with 131 tackles (64 Solo/67 Assisted). Started off at Boston College before transferring.

Picture Gallery
http://fausports.cstv.com/view.gal?id=28826

Team Profile describes more.
http://fausports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/joseph_frantz00.html

Don Vito
11-13-2008, 03:05 AM
He signed with BC and went back home to Florida because of family problems. I wish he never left because he is truly a special player who will be a hell of a linebacker in the NFL. He is a mean football player. Joseph in the middle with Toal and Herzlich on the outside would be scary in front of Raji and Brace.

bored of education
11-13-2008, 09:10 AM
A poor mans P Wilie IMO. He has a nastier attitude than P wilie but may not have the atheltic gifts P willie has. THis guy is a certified nut job. I love watching him play.

ElectricEye
11-13-2008, 11:21 AM
I've seen him play once or twice, and yeah, he defiantly stands out. He really flies all over the field and he seems to be a big hitter. He seems a little small, and he could use a few pounds on his frame...but he's interesting to watch. I've never really thought about how he projects to the NFL, but I'm not sure how much I like him as a pro.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 12:33 PM
He could be the next Kai Parham. So while I love the guy.... He might not get drafted. Just putting that out there.

gator3guy
11-13-2008, 01:55 PM
He could be the next Kai Parham. So while I love the guy.... He might not get drafted. Just putting that out there.

Parham left UVA a year early and ran like a 5.0 40.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 02:03 PM
Parham left UVA a year early and ran like a 5.0 40.
Well, I wasn't making the comparison to Parham in regards to his decision to declare early. I was merely comparing them both as as players. Both big ILB's who showed tremendous college production and played with great intensity. I don't know how fast Joseph's timed speed is, but there must be a reason why draft analysts aren't talking about him. When I mentioned him to Scott, Scott said he'll probably go undrafted, but that he was also considering adding him to his rankings. So it's not like they don't know about him. They just don't think that highly of him for some reason. Best reason to guess is speed.

giantsfan
11-13-2008, 02:05 PM
Has he shown any cover skills to maybe play SLB? And has he been used to blitz at all, don't really watch any Florida Atlantic

Menardo75
11-13-2008, 02:07 PM
Well everything sounds good so far I would love to see some film on him. I live in the northwest though so I don't see many Florida Atlantic games. I get the damn Pac-10

gator3guy
11-13-2008, 02:22 PM
Well, I wasn't making the comparison to Parham in regards to his decision to declare early. I was merely comparing them both as as players. Both big ILB's who showed tremendous college production and played with great intensity. I don't know how fast Joseph's timed speed is, but there must be a reason why draft analysts aren't talking about him. When I mentioned him to Scott, Scott said he'll probably go undrafted, but that he was also considering adding him to his rankings. So it's not like they don't know about him. They just don't think that highly of him for some reason. Best reason to guess is speed.

Yea I get you, but you compared him to Parham. A guy who barely spent any time in an NFL camp. If he's like him then he's nothing more than a camp body. But those kind of tackle number's are very intriguing. I'm sure he'll get a chance.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Yea I get you, but you compared him to Parham. A guy who barely spent any time in an NFL camp. If he's like him then he's nothing more than a camp body. But those kind of tackle number's are very intriguing. I'm sure he'll get a chance.
I hope he gets a chance for sure. I'd say right now, nobody is really considering him more than a camp body. That's why I likened him to Parham. It's whatevers though... just a plain comparison. Not saying they're the same person.

Hopefully, we'll see his stock climb before alls said and done. I'd love for the Boys to draft him.

Menardo75
11-13-2008, 02:36 PM
I feel bad for D-uinit. He comes on here asking what we think about a guy and only one of us has seen him play.

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 03:08 PM
I feel bad for D-uinit. He comes on here asking what we think about a guy and only one of us has seen him play.
Haha. No need to feel bad for me. I just wanted to see if anyone could add opinions on him to help me understand what could be wrong with him.

johnstonolb
11-13-2008, 03:14 PM
Put up a 4.5 and he will go early.

giantsfan
11-13-2008, 03:21 PM
Put up a 4.5 and he will go early.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/snacktrain24/Brilliant.png

rockio42
11-13-2008, 03:24 PM
My cousin goes to Florida Atlantic and I asked him about when I saw the thread and he says word around is that he won't run faster than a 4.9

gator3guy
11-13-2008, 05:52 PM
I remember him from the bowl game last year. He definitely stood out. But if he runs a 4.9 the odds will not be in his favor.

Mr. Stiller
11-13-2008, 06:04 PM
He's 6-3, 235 pounds. Plays Inside LB for Florida Atlantic. He's literally a tackling machine. Plays with great range and flies all over the field. Plays with a nasty demeanor and dishes out violent hits with his big frame. His emotion and intensity carryover to his teammates. Yet, the funny thing is...whenever asked about his performance, he's always playing it down talking about it not mattering anymore... he's gotta get ready for the next game...

Statistically, he's Top 10 in the nation so far in Total Tackles (100). Leads the nation in Solo tackles (63). Top 5 for Tackles/Game (11.11/Game - #4 overall). Last year he finished with 131 tackles (64 Solo/67 Assisted). Started off at Boston College before transferring.

Picture Gallery
http://fausports.cstv.com/view.gal?id=28826

Team Profile describes more.
http://fausports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/joseph_frantz00.html

I only saw their bowl game last year.. he didn't stick out to me because I was more or less fixated on their SR. LB last year Cergile Sincere.

Wish I still had that game.

bored of education
11-13-2008, 06:05 PM
Jesus he is an inch worm out there? I thought he looked pretty good. Must be the comp that makes him look amazing!

D-Unit
11-13-2008, 06:23 PM
Well, it sounds like we need more investigation by the NFLDC crew to figure out if these "rumors" are true. Get on it gang!

sweetd20
11-13-2008, 06:45 PM
I think he was a preseason Butkus and Lombardi canidate, but I'll have to go back and look it up to see if he was or not.

ElectricEye
11-13-2008, 09:42 PM
I thought he looked a lot faster than 4.9 when I saw him play. I was actually kind of impressed with his agility. He's probably the plays faster than he actually times type of guy, but I would be surprised if he ran anything above 4.7 to 4.8. He's not all that big either though. Listed at 235. Not super small, but for a guy that doesn't have good speed, that's a big concern.

bored of education
11-14-2008, 06:48 AM
Well, it sounds like we need more investigation by the NFLDC crew to figure out if these "rumors" are true. Get on it gang!

Im on it D!

giantsfan
11-14-2008, 07:30 AM
Im on it D!

D wants to know how fast he, not what type of underwear he wears.

Larry121283
11-14-2008, 12:12 PM
Love him, but he is pretty slow.

Maybe a 34 inside 'backer. He is a thumper.

D-Unit
11-14-2008, 12:46 PM
Love him, but he is pretty slow.

Maybe a 34 inside 'backer. He is a thumper.
Out of curiosity, what lead you to believe he's pretty slow? I think there are rumors out there, but we're trying to get to the bottom of it. Can you help us out? How do you know he's slow?

Monomach
12-05-2008, 03:43 AM
I've only found one source, it says he runs in the 4.6 - 4.8 range.

http://www.*************.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=9123&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB

For all we know, these numbers could be from high school or something.

Larry121283
12-05-2008, 12:35 PM
Out of curiosity, what lead you to believe he's pretty slow? I think there are rumors out there, but we're trying to get to the bottom of it. Can you help us out? How do you know he's slow?
Been to a few FAU games in the past few years. He just isn't very fast on the field. I don't even know what his 40 time is now. When he was doing camps in SoFl in HS he was running in the 4.6 to 4.7 area but he was at or around 220 pounds then. He is in that 240+ range now. When I see him on the field, he doesn't go sideline to sideline with much speed. In comparison, three other local linebackers at smaller schools I've seen, Antwan Barnes and Key Bouie, who played for FIU (even competition), and Cergile Sincere (same team) were faster on the field. Barnes ran a fast 40 time when he made the jump. Key Bouie ran in 4.8's I think. Not sure what Sincere ran. 40 isn't indicative of field speed anyway...just throwing out numbers I remember.

Which is why I think he'd be best off in the 34 on the inside. Reminds me a little of a poor man's version of David Harris, if I am making a recent player comparison.

D-Unit
12-05-2008, 12:48 PM
Been to a few FAU games in the past few years. He just isn't very fast on the field. I don't even know what his 40 time is now. When he was doing camps in SoFl in HS he was running in the 4.6 to 4.7 area but he was at or around 220 pounds then. He is in that 240+ range now. When I see him on the field, he doesn't go sideline to sideline with much speed. In comparison, three other local linebackers at smaller schools I've seen, Antwan Barnes and Key Bouie, who played for FIU (even competition), and Cergile Sincere (same team) were faster on the field. Barnes ran a fast 40 time when he made the jump. Key Bouie ran in 4.8's I think. Not sure what Sincere ran. 40 isn't indicative of field speed anyway...just throwing out numbers I remember.

Which is why I think he'd be best off in the 34 on the inside. Reminds me a little of a poor man's version of David Harris, if I am making a recent player comparison.

Yes, I agree. I like him as a 3-4 ILB as well. I haven't followed him as of late. How has he been doing?

Larry121283
12-05-2008, 01:58 PM
Yes, I agree. I like him as a 3-4 ILB as well. I haven't followed him as of late. How has he been doing?

Only saw the game v. FIU since the MTSU game and I am pretty sure he had nearly 20 tackles. He did a good job.

scoutdog
01-18-2009, 11:26 PM
FRANTZ JOSEPH - LINEBACKER
Up until this point (1/17/09), this kid is clearly NOT getting the credit he deserves. Many people are knocking his 40 time & claim his speed is a detriment. *I'VE SEEN HIM ELECTRICALLY TIMED OVER THE PASSED 2 WEEKS (HE'S WORKING AT TEST FITNESS IN NJ W/ ONE OF THE TOP STRENGTH & CONDITIONING SPECIALISTS IN THE COUNTRY, SKIP FULLER) - HE IS CONSISTENTLY IN THE HIGH 4.6 RANGE. These results rank amongst the top 20% of all ILB's projected in this draft. Granted, his technique shedding blocks & reading offenses may be a bit "green", however that is very teachable & this kid is COACHABLE! His drive, "motor", and natural talent rank off the charts! Those qualities (plus, his better-than given credit for, speed) are the reasons why he was the LEADING TACKLER IN THE NATION! Has anybody taken the time yet to truly get to know this kid's character? Are you guys aware of how this kid helped his mother throughout his life (in the absence of a father)? I know for a FACT, that every team in the NFL should want to have as many "Frantz Joseph(s)" on their roster, as possible. He clearly has the "stuff" to command a draft position much higher than Round 5!?!? With the proper guidance (LB technique, film study, offense recognition, etc) & continued hard work from the Strength-Conditioning-Speed-Agility standpoint, this kid can absolutely be an All-Pro by season 3 or 4. 150 tackles in a season (regardless of the league) does NOT come by accident. This kid is a gem & he'll represent any NFL squad (ON & OFF the filed) with TOP-NOTCH VALUE.

D-Unit
01-19-2009, 01:20 PM
FRANTZ JOSEPH - LINEBACKER
Up until this point (1/17/09), this kid is clearly NOT getting the credit he deserves. Many people are knocking his 40 time & claim his speed is a detriment. *I'VE SEEN HIM ELECTRICALLY TIMED OVER THE PASSED 2 WEEKS (HE'S WORKING AT TEST FITNESS IN NJ W/ ONE OF THE TOP STRENGTH & CONDITIONING SPECIALISTS IN THE COUNTRY, SKIP FULLER) - HE IS CONSISTENTLY IN THE HIGH 4.6 RANGE. These results rank amongst the top 20% of all ILB's projected in this draft. Granted, his technique shedding blocks & reading offenses may be a bit "green", however that is very teachable & this kid is COACHABLE! His drive, "motor", and natural talent rank off the charts! Those qualities (plus, his better-than given credit for, speed) are the reasons why he was the LEADING TACKLER IN THE NATION! Has anybody taken the time yet to truly get to know this kid's character? Are you guys aware of how this kid helped his mother throughout his life (in the absence of a father)? I know for a FACT, that every team in the NFL should want to have as many "Frantz Joseph(s)" on their roster, as possible. He clearly has the "stuff" to command a draft position much higher than Round 5!?!? With the proper guidance (LB technique, film study, offense recognition, etc) & continued hard work from the Strength-Conditioning-Speed-Agility standpoint, this kid can absolutely be an All-Pro by season 3 or 4. 150 tackles in a season (regardless of the league) does NOT come by accident. This kid is a gem & he'll represent any NFL squad (ON & OFF the filed) with TOP-NOTCH VALUE.
I love Joseph. Happy to hear that he finished off the season leading the league in tackles. I kinda thought he had a good chance at it. To me he's so under the radar that it's making me happy because I think he can be a steal late in the draft.

I just see the Steelers drafting him and him turning into an all pro. Just watch.

scoutdog
01-19-2009, 02:29 PM
I agree with that All-Pro prediction for Frantz. His intangible value (the stuff that can't be measured at any combine) is phenominal. Intelligent young man who clearly knows right from wrong (his upbringing proves this - very strong mother whom instilled SOLID work ethic, morals, & values). He has leadership qualities - So long as he stays healthy, he has a long & bright NFL future in front of him.

TACKLE
02-26-2009, 05:51 PM
Pro Day Update:

4.69/4.66 (I've seen both times) forty, 27.5 vert, 9'7" broad jump.

Also saw him listed at a 4.85. Probably somewhere between the two. A 4.7 for Frantz is solid.

I love this guy. He is so productive and smart. He's a tough old school LB who is great at taking on blocks. He is instinctive and although lacks top athleticism, consistently makes plays in open field. He's just one isn't going to be drafted very high but is a guy you can see being a stud MLB a couple years down the road.

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East-West Shrine Practice
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Don Vito
02-26-2009, 06:00 PM
If he never left BC imagine how much more the Eagle defense would have been this year? Joseph and McLaughlin in the middle behind Raji and Brace with Herzlich, Francois, Akins, and Toal (even though he got hurt) as the OLBs would have been awesome.

I want the Pats to take him.

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
02-26-2009, 06:15 PM
He'll be given a real shot to earn a spot on someone's roster, especially if he can play specials. His speed, (4.8 range) won't be an issue if the kid has solid instincts.

Can't wait to see who drafts him and watch how he progresses.

thule
02-26-2009, 06:23 PM
Reminds me when people got excited about Kai Parham.....that 40 time probably keeps him from getting drafted imo.

TACKLE
02-26-2009, 06:26 PM
Reminds me when people got excited about Kai Parham.....that 40 time probably keeps him from getting drafted imo.

Keeps him from getting drafted or keeps him from getting drafted higher. I do see how he could go undrafted but I guess anything is possible after neither Wesley Woodyard and Erin Henderson were drafted.

Hokie_Pokie08
02-27-2009, 01:31 AM
Keeps him from getting drafted or keeps him from getting drafted higher. I do see how he could go undrafted but I guess anything is possible after neither Wesley Woodyard and Erin Henderson were drafted.

Erin Henderson doesn't have an ACL in one of his knees. As for Kai he was just a football player that didn't time well. His on-field speed was way better than his measured speed. I thought he was going to be a good one.

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
02-27-2009, 04:09 AM
I already like this kid better than Laurinaitis!! He's so physical and plays with a high level of aggression. To me JL is a chase and tackle LB, not a guy who will blow up a G and run through a fullback to take down a RB.

Solid pick whoever gets him, I expect him to start somewhere in the league.

Jakey
02-27-2009, 10:56 AM
I love this kid, he'd make a perfect 3-4 inside backer. If the Steelers take him, ill be a happy man : )

D-Unit
03-08-2009, 12:50 PM
Reminds me when people got excited about Kai Parham.....that 40 time probably keeps him from getting drafted imo.
Parham's 40 was 4.99 sec. That's why he's out of the league. A 4.6 something for Frantz is a world of a difference.

PACKmanN
03-08-2009, 01:07 PM
imo, he reminds me a lot like Hodge.

bigbluedefense
03-08-2009, 02:04 PM
Never heard of him until reading this thread.

He looks plenty fast on those youtube clips, and I LOVE his intensity and strength. Id love the Giants to nab him in the middle rounds if his supposed 40 times mentioned above on his Pro Day are true.

Even if he runs a mid 4.7 or even a 4.8, I wouldn't mind him as a late round pick.

Nice find D.

Imagine him and Kaluka on the same team! :p

Im a fan. I love these small schoolers.

Between Gilbert, Kaluka, and now this guy, I have 3 mancrushes.

superman
03-08-2009, 02:09 PM
i wouldn't mind him staying in south florida

D-Unit
03-08-2009, 02:12 PM
Never heard of him until reading this thread.

He looks plenty fast on those youtube clips, and I LOVE his intensity and strength. Id love the Giants to nab him in the middle rounds if his supposed 40 times mentioned above on his Pro Day are true.

Even if he runs a mid 4.7 or even a 4.8, I wouldn't mind him as a late round pick.

Nice find D.

Imagine him and Kaluka on the same team! :p

Im a fan. I love these small schoolers.

Between Gilbert, Kaluka, and now this guy, I have 3 mancrushes.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-tPInbVUH6g/SKIEGNE1fGI/AAAAAAAAAT4/pJbA6ka6ats/s400/joseph1c.jpg

Oh damn... BBD is onto him now. Crap, I hope he doesn't go to the Giants! :)

If you like small schoolers... you'll love LB Jason Williams from Western Illinois

bigbluedefense
03-08-2009, 04:05 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-tPInbVUH6g/SKIEGNE1fGI/AAAAAAAAAT4/pJbA6ka6ats/s400/joseph1c.jpg

Oh damn... BBD is onto him now. Crap, I hope he doesn't go to the Giants! :)

If you like small schoolers... you'll love LB Jason Williams from Western Illinois

haha, i want everybody :)

We just need a thumping Inside Backer badly. Pierce, while i love his leadership and brains, sucks quite frankly. Part of me is rooting for him to get injured so we can replace him haha.

This guy, physically, is what we look for in a MIKE. Downhill, runthumper who can flow through linemen, engage, and rip a RBs head off. Looks like he has great potential as a blitzer too, which is also what we need in our MIKE. Good enough coverage. Im sold on the guy if he's running a 4.7 like his Pro Day says.

Thats why I love Rey Mauluga as a Giant. Same style. But this guy is much more realistic of an option.

And Reese loves nabbing small school guys on day 2. His MO is drafting guys from big programs in early rounds, then getting small schoolers rounds 4-7. This guy feels like a Reese pick. At least Im hoping he does :)

bigbluedefense
03-08-2009, 04:11 PM
damn i just realized i always want defensive players.

id make the worst GM ever. my defense would be out of this world, but my offense would score negative points. :p kinda like the 1990 Eagles haha.

the only offensive players I usually want early are olinemen.

PACKmanN
03-08-2009, 04:15 PM
damn i just realized i always want defensive players.

id make the worst GM ever. my defense would be out of this world, but my offense would score negative points. :p kinda like the 1990 Eagles haha.

the only offensive players I usually want early are olinemen.

The Ravens have been doing it for a decade.

Hograiser
03-08-2009, 05:06 PM
jason williams is the ****.

he is the epidimy of a playmaker. he had 6 forced fumbles last year and has 14 in his collegiate career. he is a good blitzer off the corner that has yet to develop his pass rusher repitore, right now he relizes heavily on speed and athletic ability. with some good coaching he could become one of the best rush linebackers in the league. also it is reported that he ran a 4.46 40 and put up 26 reps at 225 on his pro day.

Menardo75
03-08-2009, 07:01 PM
damn i just realized i always want defensive players.

id make the worst GM ever. my defense would be out of this world, but my offense would score negative points. :p kinda like the 1990 Eagles haha.

the only offensive players I usually want early are olinemen.

What other offense do you need?

D-Unit
03-08-2009, 10:59 PM
Seeing as I was a bit leery of that 4.6 40 time, I had to check it out... Gil Brandt says this:

Ten NFL teams sent representatives to Florida Atlantic to see the private workout for 14 prospects on Thursday. The players ran on field turf.

LB Frantz Joseph — who did not work out at the combine — was the headliner. He checked in at 6-foot-1, 242 pounds.

Joseph had an impressive workout with two 40-yard dashes at 4.85 seconds, a 27.5 inch vertical, a 9-foot, 7.5-inch long jump, a 4.41-second short shuttle, a 7.34-second three-cone drill and 19 bench press reps at 225 pounds.

– Gil Brandt


That's more in line with what I thought. I still hope the Cowboys nab him, but I hope they wait until the 4th or 5th round to do it.


Jason Williams on the other hand... That monster had an outstanding Pro Day. He worked out on a wooden gym basketball floor and measured in at 6-1 1/4, 238 pounds. He ran the 40 in 4.49 and 4.52 seconds, had a 39-inch vertical jump and went 10-foot, 9-inches in the broad jump.

gpngc
03-08-2009, 11:10 PM
Lofa Tatupu ran a 4.83. Joseph timed at 4.85 is more than OK for an inside 'backer.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2009, 10:47 AM
4.85 is still good enough. i like him in round 4 or 5.


i noticed he runs much faster downhill, opposed to sideline to sideline. he'll thrive in a downhill scheme.

*cough Giants cough*