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ManOverboard
11-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Who you got?

illmatic74
11-15-2008, 06:10 PM
1.Crabtree
2.Maclin
3.Heyward-Bey
4.Britt
5.Dillard
6.Harvin
7.Iglesias
8.D.Williams
9.Tate
10.Robiskie

Cigaro
11-15-2008, 06:14 PM
Just a quick list;

1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Hakeem Nicks
4. Darius Heyward-Bey
5. Percy Harvin
6. Brian Robiskie
7. Jarrett Dilliard
8. Brian Robiskie
9. Sammie Straughter
10. Kenny McKinley

tEk
11-15-2008, 06:17 PM
- DHB (MD)
- Crabtree (TT)
- Damian Williams (USC) - probably wont come out.
- Jaison Williams (Oregon)
- Maclin (Mizz)
- P. Turner (USC)
- Byrd (LSU)
- Stroughter (Oregon st)
- Derrick Wiliams (Penn st)
- Robiske (sp?) (Ohio st.)

Babylon
11-15-2008, 06:21 PM
Just a quick list;

1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Hakeem Nicks
4. Darius Heyward-Bey
5. Percy Harvin
6. Brian Robiskie
7. Jarrett Dilliard
8. Brian Robiskie
9. Sammie Straughter
10. Kenny McKinley

You have Robiskie in there twice and i'm not sure he should be even once, i would add Massaquoi, LaFell and Shipley as possibles.

SenorGato
11-15-2008, 06:28 PM
Damn...no Kenny Britt on any list so fah?

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 06:30 PM
- DHB (MD)
- Crabtree (TT)
- Damian Williams (USC) - probably wont come out.
- Jaison Williams (Oregon)
- Maclin (Mizz)
- P. Turner (USC)
- Byrd (LSU)
- Stroughter (Oregon st)
- Derrick Wiliams (Penn st)
- Robiske (sp?) (Ohio st.)

is that how you have them ranked or is that in any type of order?

giantsfan
11-15-2008, 06:36 PM
Crabtree
Maclin
DHB
Harvin
Britt
Nicks
Dilliard
Tate
Robiskie
Turner?

illmatic74
11-15-2008, 06:43 PM
Damn...no Kenny Britt on any list so fah?I forgot about him changed my list.

Habibi
11-15-2008, 06:44 PM
1- Michael Crabtree
2- Kenny Britt
3- Darrius Heyward-Bey
4- Jeremy Maclin
5- Percy Harvin
6- Demetrius Byrd
7- Sammie Stroughter
8- Jarrett Dilliard
9- Brandon LaFell

P-L
11-15-2008, 06:52 PM
1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
2. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
4. Kenny Britt, Rutgers
5. Percy Harvin, Florida
6. Brandon Tate, North Carolina
7. Damian Williams, Southern California
8. Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State
9. Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
10. Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma

tEk
11-15-2008, 07:01 PM
is that how you have them ranked or is that in any type of order?no order really, just my fav draft eligibles.

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 07:06 PM
no order really, just my fav draft eligibles.

Well i like that youre showin some love towards D Williams, came in and is playin huge for my trojans! Hes definately been the most consistent of the bunch.

tEk
11-15-2008, 07:07 PM
Well i like that youre showin some love towards D Williams, came in and is playin huge for my trojans! Hes definately been the most consistent of the bunch.haha your trojans.... our trojans. season tix mang.

holt_bruce81
11-15-2008, 07:08 PM
Hmm, I would at least have Arrelious Benn in my top 10.

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 07:11 PM
Hmm, I would at least have Arrelious Benn in my top 10.

im sure everyone would if he was eligible for this years draft :)

holt_bruce81
11-15-2008, 07:14 PM
im sure everyone would if he was eligible for this years draft :)

Ha oh yea, I don't know why I was thinking he was a Junior. My bad.

BeerBaron
11-15-2008, 07:18 PM
1. Crabtree
2. Maclin
3. DHB
4. Harvin

Those are the ones with first round potential at least, and I think Crabtree will go top 10 when all is said and done.

After that is a little hazy atm....should get shaken out a little more come the postseason games and the combine. Also, not sure about what other underclassmen will come out. My "next tier" of seniors in no particular order:

Derrick Williams, Juaquin Iglesias, Brandon Tate, Demetrius Byrd, Mohamed Massaquoi. Prolly a few others but I like what i see there.

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 07:21 PM
1. Crabtree
2. Maclin
3. DHB
4. Harvin

Those are the ones with first round potential at least, and I think Crabtree will go top 10 when all is said and done.

After that is a little hazy atm....should get shaken out a little more come the postseason games and the combine. Also, not sure about what other underclassmen will come out. My "next tier" of seniors in no particular order:

Derrick Williams, Juaquin Iglesias, Brandon Tate, Demetrius Byrd, Mohamed Massaquoi. Prolly a few others but I like what i see there.

what you think Pat Turner is going to run? think hes faster than Jarrett?

BeerBaron
11-15-2008, 07:29 PM
what you think Pat Turner is going to run? think hes faster than Jarrett?

Last I heard I think Jarrett is still running his, lol

Zyro_1014
11-15-2008, 07:35 PM
Last I heard I think Jarrett is still running his, lol

haha wow, as much as i love jarrett that made me laugh quite a bit. touche my friend!

giantsfan
11-15-2008, 07:36 PM
1. Crabtree
2. Maclin
3. DHB
4. Harvin

Those are the ones with first round potential at least, and I think Crabtree will go top 10 when all is said and done.

After that is a little hazy atm....should get shaken out a little more come the postseason games and the combine. Also, not sure about what other underclassmen will come out. My "next tier" of seniors in no particular order:

Derrick Williams, Juaquin Iglesias, Brandon Tate, Demetrius Byrd, Mohamed Massaquoi. Prolly a few others but I like what i see there.

I'd put Britt in that first round mix. He's probably a better WR prospect than Harvin and maybe even DHB because of how consistently good he looks out there despite just atrocious QB play from Teel.

BamaFalcon59
11-15-2008, 07:39 PM
1a. Macho Harris
1b. Michael Crabtree

SeanTaylorRIP
11-15-2008, 09:31 PM
1) Crabtree
2) DHB
3) Maclin
4) Percy Harvin
5) Derrick Williams
6) Jarrett Dillard
7) Brandon Tate
8) Hakeem Nicks
9) Justin Brown
10)Quan Cosby

Mr. Offseason
11-15-2008, 09:50 PM
1. Crabtree
2. Maclin
3. Hayward-Bey
4. Britt
5. Harvin
6. Robiskie
7. Iglesias
8. Nicks
9. Derrick Williams
10. Byrd??

thats as good as i can do it i guess.

Staubach12
11-15-2008, 10:26 PM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Darrius Heyward-Bey
3. Jeremy Maclin
4. Kenny Britt
5. Derrick Williams
6. Brandon Tate
7. Percy Harvin
8. Demetrius Byrd
9. Juaquin Iglesias
10. Brian Robiskie

ManOverboard
11-16-2008, 07:57 PM
Kenny Britt just put on a clinic vs. South Florida. He's done it all season with a poor QB and I know for a fact he is leaving early.

Would love for the Jets to grab him Round 1...wait maybe I don't want us to have a first round pick...(Super Bowl)

Bruce Banner
11-16-2008, 08:03 PM
I'm one of the few that prefers DHB to Maclin.

Solomon
11-16-2008, 08:04 PM
1: Michael Crabtree
2: Jeremy Maclin
3 (tie): Percy Harvin
3 (tie): Darius Heyward-Bey
5: Kenny Britt
6. Hakeem Nicks
7. Jarrett Dillard
8. Brandon Lafell
9. Juaquin Iglesias
10. Demetrius Byrd

That's right. I practically hate the seniors.

bored of education
11-16-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm one of the few that prefers DHB to Maclin.

DHB is my number 2 as well

/me mounts Bruce Banner

AkiliSmith
11-16-2008, 08:19 PM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Darius Heyward-Bey
4. Kenny Britt
5. Percy Harvin
6. Hakeem Nicks
7. Brandon LaFell
8. Eric Decker
9. Damian Williams
10. Juaqin Iglesias

BrabbitMcRabbit
11-17-2008, 12:38 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Percy Harvin
4. Darrius Heyward-Bey
5. Jarett Dillard

Those guys have all earned a spot in my top five. I'm not so sure about the next five though. I think a lot of the "name" guys are overrated. Some lesser known wideouts like Damian Williams, Mardy Gilyard, and Brennan Marion could be in the mix in that range.

Jarett Dillard is a beast and a future steal.

BrabbitMcRabbit
11-17-2008, 12:44 AM
Oh, and you guys should forget about Patrick Turner. He's garbage. No speed, no quicks, no toughness, no hands. He's a very poor man's Vincent Jackson.

DcmRulz
11-20-2008, 11:35 PM
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
2. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
3. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech


4. Percy Harvin, Florida
5. Damian Williams, Southern California
6. Brandon Tate, UNC
7. Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
8. Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
9. Hakeem Nucks, UNC
10. Kenny Britt, Rutgers

No typo, i just think the talent difference is huge between 3 and 4

Zyro_1014
11-20-2008, 11:42 PM
1: Michael Crabtree
2: Jeremy Maclin
3 (tie): Percy Harvin
3 (tie): Darius Heyward-Bey
5: Kenny Britt
6. Hakeem Nicks
7. Jarrett Dillard
8. Brandon Lafell
9. Juaquin Iglesias
10. Demetrius Byrd

That's right. I practically hate the seniors.

oh wow!? lol.

DHB just got a slap in the face

Matthew Jones
11-20-2008, 11:45 PM
Only using players from Scott's rankings, it's something like:

1. Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech)
2. Jeremy Maclin (Missouri)
3. Percy Harvin (Florida)
4. Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland)
5. Derrick Williams (Penn St.)
6. Juaquin Iglesias (Oklahoma)
7. Brian Robiskie (Ohio St.)
8. Mike Thomas (Arizona)
9. Brandon Tate (North Carolina)
10. Jaison Williams (Oregon)

Hon. mention: Dillard, Kelly, Foster, Massaquoi, Byrd, Murphy

Zyro_1014
11-20-2008, 11:48 PM
Only using players from Scott's rankings, it's something like:

1. Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech)
2. Jeremy Maclin (Missouri)
3. Percy Harvin (Florida)
4. Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland)
5. Derrick Williams (Penn St.)
6. Juaquin Iglesias (Oklahoma)
7. Brian Robiskie (Ohio St.)
8. Mike Thomas (Arizona)
9. Brandon Tate (North Carolina)
10. Jaison Williams (Oregon)

Hon. mention: Dillard, Kelly, Foster, Massaquoi, Byrd, Murphy

do you really think that Harvin will be a good NFL WR? or a Reggie Bush type player?

jth1331
11-21-2008, 01:16 AM
I like what I see from Iglesias, I think he could be a solid #2 guy in the NFL. He isn't going to be a game changer or anything, but a dependable WR.

SuperKevin
11-21-2008, 01:43 AM
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey
2. Michael Crabtree
3. Jeremy Maclin
4. Kenny Britt
5. Demaryius Thomas
6. Percy Harvin
7. Sammy Stroughter
8. Jarrett Dillard
9. Hakeem Nicks
10. Derrick Williams

ElectricEye
11-21-2008, 02:50 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey
4. Demaryius Thomas
5. Kenny Britt
6. Percy Harvin
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Jarett Dillard
9. Brandon LaFell
10. Brandon Tate

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 08:15 AM
1a. Michael Crabtree, TTech -- Top 5
1b. Jeremy Maclin, Mizzou -- Top 10
3. Percy Harvin, UF - top 25
4. Darius Hayward-Bey, Maryland - Late 1, Early 2
5. Demetrius Byrd, LSU - 3rd
6. Brandon Tate, UNC - 3rd
7. Derrick Williams, Penn State - late 3rd, early 4th (slot guy, return man)
8. Brian Robiskie, Ohio State - 4th
9. Hakeem Nicks, UNC - 4th
10a. Kenny McKinley, SoCar - 4th
10b. Quan Cosby, Texas - 5th
10c. Jarett Dillard, Rice - 5th

Also, Jaison Williams of Oregon is a sleeper of mine. The possibility to turn him into a TE is intriguing, but I am not sure I keep him at WR. Igelsias is a player I will have a better judgment on after this weekend. Not quite sure where I'd rate him yet.

Sammy Stroughter will be a good pro, too as a slot / return man...not sure where I'd rate him yet either.

Kenny Britt and Aaron Kelly look the part, but Kelly drops too many passes and Britt reminds me of Lance Leggett. Looks the part, doesn't produce.

**"Projection is where they'd be graded, not where they'll go...list incomplete.**

Geo
11-21-2008, 09:32 AM
I suppose this would be by top 10 ranking:

1. Michael Crabtree, RS So, Texas Tech
2. Jeremy Maclin, RS So, Missouri
3. Kenny Britt, Jr, Rutgers
4. Hakeem Nicks, Jr, North Carolina
5. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jr, Maryland
6. Brandon Lafell, RS Jr, Louisiana State
7. Percy Harvin, Jr, Florida
8. Brandon Tate, Jr, North Carolina
9. Brian Robiskie, Sr, Ohio State
10. Derrick Williams, Sr, Penn State

illmatic74
11-21-2008, 09:38 AM
1a. Michael Crabtree, TTech
1b. Jeremy Maclin, Mizzou
3. Percy Harvin, UF
4. Darius Hayward-Bey, Maryland
5. Demetrius Byrd, LSU
6. Brandon Tate, UNC
7. Derrick Williams, Penn State
8. Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
9. Hakeem Nicks, UNC
10a. Kenny McKinley, SoCar
10b. Quan Cosby, Texas
10c. Jarett Dillard, Rice

Also, Jaison Williams of Oregon is a sleeper of mine. The possibility to turn him into a TE is intriguing, but I am not sure I keep him at WR. Igelsias is a player I will have a better judgment on after this weekend. Not quite sure where I'd rate him yet.

Sammy Stroughter will be a good pro, too as a slot / return man...not sure where I'd rate him yet either.

Kenny Britt and Aaron Kelly look the part, but Kelly drops too many passes and Britt reminds me of Lance Leggett. Looks the part, doesn't produce.Jaison Williams is Mike Williams without the hype and since when did Kenny Britt didn't produce. He sure didn't produce against Pittsburgh.

Sniper
11-21-2008, 09:39 AM
10. Derrick Williams, Sr, Penn State

You're someone who won't back away and hide if I call you out. What makes Derrick Williams good? I really don't see it, and the stats back me up.

DiG
11-21-2008, 09:40 AM
1. Crab
2. DHB
3. Maclin
4. Nicks
5. Harvin
6. Britt
7. Lafell
8. Tate
9. Thomas
10. DWill

princefielder28
11-21-2008, 09:42 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey
4. Kenny Britt
5. Brandon LaFell
6. Juaquin Iglesias
7. Jarett Dillard
8. Hakeem Nicks
9. Brian Robiskie
10. Percy Harvin
11. Jaison Williams

Sniper
11-21-2008, 09:42 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey
4. Kenny Britt
5. Brandon LaFell
6. Jarett Dillard
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Brian Robiskie
9. Percy Harvin
10. Jaison Williams

High five for not listening to the high school hype with Derrick Williams!

Geo
11-21-2008, 09:43 AM
I agree with you for the most part, actually. Williams is quite disappointing as a productive receiver, and isn't even that great of a route runner. Averaging around 10 ypr, that's not right at all. Plus I don't think he's a legit burner, despite being a pretty good return man.

That said, with some work on his route running while he contributes in special teams, I don't discount the chance that he could live up to his talent more as a receiver.

I was strongly considering Demetrius Byrd at #10, btw.

Sniper
11-21-2008, 09:44 AM
I agree with you for the most part, actually. Williams is quite disappointing as a productive receiver, and isn't even that great of a route runner. Plus I don't think he's a legit burner, despite being a pretty good return man.

That said, with some work on his route running while he contributes in special teams, I don't discount the chance that he could live up to his talent more as a receiver.

I was strongly considering Demetrius Byrd at #10, btw.

But poor route running and awful hands are not good attributes for a so-called top 10 receiver.

princefielder28
11-21-2008, 09:44 AM
High five for not listening to the high school hype with Derrick Williams!

I would probably have to do a Top 25 before Williams would have a chance to sneak onto my list

Geo
11-21-2008, 09:49 AM
But poor route running and awful hands are not good attributes for a so-called top 10 receiver.
Well, that's how I value them as prospects. (Personally, not from a Colts' perspective because that Top 10 would be a little different.) If it was just based on their college ability and production, Mike Thomas of Arizona would definitely be up there.

And I can't speak to awful hands for Williams.

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 09:53 AM
Jaison Williams is Mike Williams without the hype and since when did Kenny Britt didn't produce. He sure didn't produce against Pittsburgh.

Well, Mike Williams should have been a tight end. Never more evident than in hindsight. I'm saying Williams should move to TE.

Britt has flashes, most drafted wide outs do. Just don't think he'll be a good pro. No consistency.

Turtlepower
11-21-2008, 09:56 AM
Well, Mike Williams should have been a tight end. Never more evident than in hindsight. I'm saying Williams should move to TE.

Britt has flashes, most drafted wide outs do. Just don't think he'll be a good pro. No consistency.

6, 8, 7, 12, 4, 9, 5, 9, 8

Those are the amount of receptions he has had each game this season. He is probably the model of consistency when it comes to WRs this year.

illmatic74
11-21-2008, 10:02 AM
I agree with you for the most part, actually. Williams is quite disappointing as a productive receiver, and isn't even that great of a route runner. Averaging around 10 ypr, that's not right at all. Plus I don't think he's a legit burner, despite being a pretty good return man.

That said, with some work on his route running while he contributes in special teams, I don't discount the chance that he could live up to his talent more as a receiver.

I was strongly considering Demetrius Byrd at #10, btw.Derrick Williams has be thrown a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage which is why his yards per catch is so low(Harvin as well). Harvin and Williams are not the most polished recievers but they both have game breaking ability.

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 10:05 AM
I'll stand down...I was thinking Tiquan Underwood...my bad. Not a big fan of TU.

Haven't really thought about Britt, as he is a JR if IIRC.

Sniper
11-21-2008, 10:06 AM
Derrick Williams has be thrown a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage which is why his yards per catch is so low(Harvin as well). Harvin and Williams are not the most polished recievers but they both have game breaking ability.

A big part of it for Williams is that he's such a poor route-runner that screens and such are the only way to get him the ball. Harvin's ypc isn't low at all. It's actually excellent. He's rocking a 15.7 ypc, which is very good. Williams has very little game-breaking ability. Harvin has over twice as many career receiving TDs in one less year.

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 10:08 AM
Williams needs to get good coaching.

619
11-21-2008, 10:16 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Percy Harvin
4. DHB
5. Kenny Britt
6. Damian Williams
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Demetrius Byrd
9. Juaquin Iglesias
10. Brandon Tate

scottyboy
11-21-2008, 10:20 AM
I'll stand down...I was thinking Tiquan Underwood...my bad. Not a big fan of TU.

Haven't really thought about Britt, as he is a JR if IIRC.

wait, what?

TU? wtf?

Underwood is the inconsistant one who drops passes but should be picked around round 5-6 based on last year and his ability after the catch.

Britt is the manbeast junior who has been literally raping defenders. Big, fast, and awesome. His hands need to be a little better, but not but by any standards.

Britt should be at the very worst 5 on all these lists.

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 10:25 AM
wait, what?

TU? wtf?

Underwood is the inconsistant one who drops passes but should be picked around round 5-6 based on last year and his ability after the catch.

Britt is the manbeast junior who has been literally raping defenders. Big, fast, and awesome. His hands need to be a little better, but not but by any standards.

Britt should be at the very worst 5 on all these lists.
Underwood was the guy I had on my mind, not Britt.

Didn't even have Britt on the radar as a guy that was coming out. Just confused names, is all.

princefielder28
11-21-2008, 11:01 AM
Derrick Williams = Antonio Chatman

ElectricEye
11-21-2008, 11:06 AM
A big part of it for Williams is that he's such a poor route-runner that screens and such are the only way to get him the ball. Harvin's ypc isn't low at all. It's actually excellent. He's rocking a 15.7 ypc, which is very good. Williams has very little game-breaking ability. Harvin has over twice as many career receiving TDs in one less year.

Yeah. I don't think you can even compare Harvin and Williams. Harvin is everything Williams was supposed to be.

Geo
11-21-2008, 11:37 AM
Harvin is a complete project out of Florida who can't stay healthy for a full season. Williams is a legit return man who is a raw route runner.

ElectricEye
11-21-2008, 11:51 AM
Harvin is a complete project out of Florida who can't stay healthy for a full season. Williams is a legit return man who is a raw route runner.

...who's even more of a project at his position and has had even more injury issues than Harvin.

Don't get me wrong; Williams will have value as a return man. But I just don't see how you can draft a guy, especially as high as you'll have to draft Williams, who will probably end up doing nothing for besides return kicks.

Sniper
11-21-2008, 11:59 AM
Harvin is a complete project out of Florida who can't stay healthy for a full season. Williams is a legit return man who is a raw route runner.

Harvin is a project but Williams isn't? WTF?

draftguru151
11-21-2008, 12:03 PM
1. Michael Crabtree Texas Tech
2. Jeremy Maclin Missouri
3. Percy Harvin Florida
4. Derrius Heyward-Bey Maryland
5. Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech
6. Kenny Britt Rutgers
7. Hakeem Nicks North Carolina
8. Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati
9. Brandon Tate North Carolina
10. Derrick Williams Penn State

Geo
11-21-2008, 12:08 PM
Harvin is a project but Williams isn't? WTF?
Seriously, what's your problem, Sniper?

Harvin is a Florida RB trying to play some WR in a spread offense. Williams is a WR who plays some RB/QB for Penn State.

You bash Williams for his raw route running, and yet prop up Harvin. Are you freaking kidding me? Harvin doesn't even qualify as raw as a route runner.

Stop inundating us with your insane bias, it's ridiculous.

Sniper
11-21-2008, 12:18 PM
Seriously, what's your problem, Sniper?

My problem is this insane love for Derrick Williams. The guy ******* sucks ass! Williams has been the third leading receiver every year except for one, and the other two guys are also seniors. And I'm supposed to believe that he's a top senior receiver? HE IS ******* TERRIBLE. His career high YPC came AS A FRESHMAN, at 13.1. Since then, he's had 11.0, 9.62, and 11.11 ypc. That is ******* horrendous! Deep threat my ************* ass. Running a fast 40 does not make you a good deep threat.

Harvin is a Florida kid RB trying to play some WR in a spread offense. Williams is a WR who plays some RB/QB for Penn State.

You bash Williams for his raw route running, and yet prop up Harvin. Are you freaking kidding me? Harvin doesn't even qualify as raw as a route runner.

I never said Harvin was a good route runner. But you know what? He actually produces. His freshman year YPC would be better than 3 of Williams' four seasons at 12.56. Since then, he has steadily improved, posting a 14.54 ypc last year and 15.73 this year. It's not even close. Percy Harvin has averaged right around 9.5 ypcarry in his career, and is averaging 9.15 ypc this year. Derrick Williams? Around five ypc for his career, and 5.86 this year.

There are seven, yes seven, more productive senior receivers in the Big 10 alone.

Stop inundating us with your insane bias, it's ridiculous.

What bias? My bias for good football players? Sorry Geo, but I won't do that. There is nothing besides returning that Williams does that could be considered even remotely close to better than Harvin.

Zyro_1014
11-21-2008, 12:22 PM
A big part of it for Williams is that he's such a poor route-runner that screens and such are the only way to get him the ball. Harvin's ypc isn't low at all. It's actually excellent. He's rocking a 15.7 ypc, which is very good. Williams has very little game-breaking ability. Harvin has over twice as many career receiving TDs in one less year.

In a BS offense

Menardo75
11-21-2008, 01:22 PM
If Williams did'nt play at Penn state you would'nt even know who he was.

RUGMEN
11-21-2008, 01:28 PM
Britt is being rediculously underrated in all these lists. Playing in a Pro-Style offense, check out how he compares to Crabtree who plays in the Texas tech passing juggernaut offense.

Britt, Crabtree
Receptions per game 7.6, 7.8
Receiving yards per game 110.4, 101.0
Touchdowns per game 0.5, 1.8
Longest reception 93, 82

He is one of two players nationally from a BCS conference (joining Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree) to rank in the top 10 in receiving yards per game (110.4) and receptions per game (7.6).

Sniper
11-21-2008, 01:57 PM
If Williams did'nt play at Penn state you would'nt even know who he was.

You're right, and if he didn't have such a lofty recruiting ranking, it'd also be the same case.

Jonny
11-21-2008, 02:05 PM
Kenny Britt and Aaron Kelly look the part, but Kelly drops too many passes and Britt reminds me of Lance Leggett. Looks the part, doesn't produce.


Doesn't produce? Leggett had 1375 yards in four years at Miami. Britt will more than double that in three years. His worst season (as a freshman) is nearly as good as Leggett's best season. Britt is a game away from back to back 1000+ yard seasons. What on earth are you talking about?


Britt has flashes, most drafted wide outs do. Just don't think he'll be a good pro. No consistency.

Flashes? No consistency? Are you sure you're thinking of Britt and not someone else, maybe Tiquan Underwood? Britt has had two and a half years of dominance playing with a bad QB.

Reading through the thread, I see that you are. Underwood is a nice athlete but he's rail thin and he drops a ton of passes. He plays opposite from Britt, and has been having a bad year, even though he has been better the past few weeks.

BTW, I hear that the Colts, Jaguars, and Dolphins are very hot on Britt.

TFY today had Britt behind Maclin and DHB but ahead of Harvin, and said he is going to declare. IMO, when people actually look at the film of this year and see that Teel was playing so poorly and Britt was basically doing it all by himself, he is going to rocket up to the mid first round.

scottyboy
11-21-2008, 02:16 PM
Britt is being rediculously underrated in all these lists. Playing in a Pro-Style offense, check out how he compares to Crabtree who plays in the Texas tech passing juggernaut offense.

Britt, Crabtree
Receptions per game 7.6, 7.8
Receiving yards per game 110.4, 101.0
Touchdowns per game 0.5, 1.8
Longest reception 93, 82

He is one of two players nationally from a BCS conference (joining Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree) to rank in the top 10 in receiving yards per game (110.4) and receptions per game (7.6).

that, and imagine if Britt had Graham at QB...oh my freakin' lord.

but, then again, Crabtree plays in a much better conference.

ElectricEye
11-21-2008, 02:47 PM
You're right, and if he didn't have such a lofty recruiting ranking, it'd also be the same case.

...and if he actually produced people would probably be all over him like Harvin..

Larry121283
11-21-2008, 03:32 PM
Flashes? No consistency? Are you sure you're thinking of Britt and not someone else, maybe Tiquan Underwood? Britt has had two and a half years of dominance playing with a bad QB.

As a matter of fact...yes...that is who I was thinking of...my apologies.

ElectricEye
11-21-2008, 03:54 PM
Oh, and Derrick Williams doesn't do much as a punt returner. He's averaging 9 something yards this year and only managed 11 last year. He wasn't healthy the year before and didn't touch punts as a freshman. He offers a lot of value on kickoffs, but he's really subpar on punts. I just can't see justification for a player to be one of the top players at his position in his class if he can only do one thing really well.

SuperKevin
11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
I really only stuck Williams at #10 to piss off SNIPER. At that point I don't really care who is number 10

ManOverboard
11-22-2008, 12:49 PM
Need help guys, what can I say to my friend who has:

Jordan Shipley
Brian Robiske

rated higher than Kenny Britt in terms of Draft eligible receivers for 2009. And he's dead set serious.

I can't think of any other way to call him a complete moron.

CashmoneyDrew
11-22-2008, 12:52 PM
Some people are just stuck in their ways when it comes to prospects. Kenny Britt definitely is a better prospect physical specimen wise, and is just as fast if not faster than those 2. Kenny Britt also translates better to the pros in terms of #1 WR potential.

ManOverboard
11-22-2008, 12:53 PM
Some people are just stuck in their ways when it comes to prospects. Kenny Britt definitely is a better prospect physical specimen wise, and is just as fast if not faster than those 2. Kenny Britt also translates better to the pros in terms of #1 WR potential.

This kid is just a Rutgers hater though.

CashmoneyDrew
11-22-2008, 12:55 PM
This kid is just a Rutgers hater though.

Then you're probably not gonna change his mind, so there's really no point in arguing with him.

ManOverboard
11-22-2008, 01:04 PM
Very true.

It's just the fact that he has Jordan Shipley ranked ahead of Britt...it makes me laugh.

Staubach12
11-22-2008, 04:29 PM
I'm one of the few that prefers DHB to Maclin.

Me, You and BOE. It's an unbeatable team.

CashmoneyDrew
11-22-2008, 04:35 PM
Me, You and BOE. It's an unbeatable team.

Throw me into that mix. I like Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks better than Jeremy Maclin as well.

etk
11-22-2008, 04:36 PM
1a. Macho Harris
1b. Michael Crabtree

Yeah, sure. 4.6 speed corners make such special WR prospects. I hope you're joking, homer.

Crabtree, Harvin and Maclin are all special. The rest don't compare, although I like Britt, Tate, Shipley and many others.

ElectricEye
11-22-2008, 04:52 PM
Some people are just stuck in their ways when it comes to prospects. Kenny Britt definitely is a better prospect physical specimen wise, and is just as fast if not faster than those 2. Kenny Britt also translates better to the pros in terms of #1 WR potential.

I would be really surprised if he doesn't test out faster than those two. Both Robiskie and Shipley are probably 4.55 guys. Britt should run below 4.5 pretty easily.

ManOverboard
11-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Thing is Britt is also listed at 6'4" and I've met him before and I'm legit 6'4"+ and he's taller than me.

Jonny
11-23-2008, 05:26 PM
Britt is around 4.5 timed I think, but I've heard he's ran faster when not in pads.

I like DHB too. What people don't get is that Maclin plays in a spread, and DHB plays for a team that never passes the ball. Ever.

RaiderNation
11-23-2008, 05:34 PM
Crabtree
DHB
Britt
Maclin
Harvin
Murphy
Shipley
Tate
Byrd
Robiskie

jbooshey
11-23-2008, 07:06 PM
10 guys who have impressed me this year when watching them...

Kevin Ogletree 6'2" 189lbs Jr. Virginia-He has been very consistent in his career and seems like a guy who could just stick to a roster somewhere.

Michael Crabtree 6'3" 214lbs Rs Soph. Texas Tech-Amazing hands and YAC ability.

Blair White 6'2" 200lbs Jr. Michigan St.- I'm a Wisconsin fan and he tore us up...

Brian Hartline 6'2" 186lbs Jr. Ohio St.- I think he'll be a go to guy next year.

Brennan Marion 6'1" 185lbs Sr. Tulsa- Last year averaged 31.9ypc and this year averages 27.5ypc with a total of 19tds in combined....I can't ignore those numbers!

Naaman Roosevelt 6'0" 187lbs Jr. Buffalo- A surprise team and his improvement every year is a big reason why. Over 1000yds and 9 Tds this year. Underrated receivers come out of the MAC conference (Hixon, Lance Moore rose up this year).

Jamarko Simmons 6'2" 234lbs Sr. W. Michigan- Looks at his size and his career numbers (so far 2843yds and 17tds) and you have to be intrigued. Plus he is another guy who has improved every year.

Mike Thomas 5'8" 195lbs Sr. Arizona- I think he could be a good slot receiver in the NFL.

Nyan Boateng 6'2" 210lbs Jr. California-Solid prospect who plays on a team with an inconsistent offense. I expect Boateng to emerge next year.

Mohammed Massaquoi 6'2" 198lbs Sr. Georgia- Makes some great catches but disappears at times. With the right team I think he could be a solid number 2 or 3 receiver.

Giantsfan1080
11-23-2008, 07:07 PM
I said it 2 weeks but I think Britt is a 1st rounder. He'll have the combine numbers and the production when the draft comes around.

etk
11-23-2008, 07:10 PM
Naaman Roosevelt is not NFL-caliber. I love Buffalo and he's a tough player but he screams "good college receiver" to me.

ElectricEye
11-23-2008, 09:10 PM
Marion kinda intrigues me. He's been such a deep threat in that Tulsa offense. He's probably no where near as good as the numbers indicate, but he's averaging 30 yards a catch for his career. If I were a GM, I might just draft him on the second day at one point for that alone.

SenorGato
11-23-2008, 10:45 PM
I said it 2 weeks but I think Britt is a 1st rounder. He'll have the combine numbers and the production when the draft comes around.

Yea...someone said Britt looks taller than his listed 6'4...I agree...and he makes some sick cuts for his size too.

Britt might be sneaking into the #2 spot in WR rankings. I'd say I rank him #1, but Crabtree is going to be sick and I can't take that away from him. Still, I think he's a similar kind of player to Braylon Edwards...only this guy doesn't drop shyte if it's thrown at him.

As the draft process plays out, I expect Britt to be one of the top 3 WRs taken in the draft. I could easily see him going to the Steelers or Jets in the first.

619
11-23-2008, 10:52 PM
I said it 2 weeks but I think Britt is a 1st rounder. He'll have the combine numbers and the production when the draft comes around.

I think it's definitely a possibility though I was really hoping he'd be available when the Raiders pick in the second. One of our big needs is to find Jamarcus a big target somewhere in the second / third.

ManOverboard
11-24-2008, 12:42 AM
I really hope the Jets get Britt somehow.

ElectricEye
11-24-2008, 12:59 AM
Britt is probably a first round value if he comes out. He really should as well. If Rutgers had a competent quarterback returning, it would be another story. He would have a chance to be the top senior at his position next year. However, with that situation up in the air he wouldn't guaranteed to have a productive season. His low end this year would probably be a mid second rounder.

Geo
11-24-2008, 01:45 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Britt ends up as the third receiver off the board, if he times well. I think he declares.

This class just might end up looking like the Class of '07 at the top:

Michael Crabtree ~ Calvin Johnson
Jeremy Maclin ~ Teddy Ginn
Kenny Britt ~ Dwayne Bowe
Darrius Heyward-Bey ~ Robert Meachem
Percy Harvin? ~ Craig Davis
? ~ Anthony Gonzalez

Kind of interesting.

Also, I'm becoming increasingly interested in Jarrett Dillard of Rice. Looking forward to him playing at the Shrine Game if not maybe the Senior Bowl.

Jonny
11-24-2008, 03:42 AM
One thing that bugs me as a Britt partisan: he's really the only top receiver that plays in a normal, NFL-style offense. DHB is underrated because he plays for Maryland, but we can't say for sure how he'd do if they could get him the ball. Nothing against Maclin/Harvin/Crabtree, but they're not running NFL routes and their numbers are getting pumped up. We will have to wait until the Combine, and until NFL scouts review all their junior film, before we really know who is the best.

I'm the biggest Britt fan out there (I called him a future first rounder when he was freshman), but I don't really see any flaws in the game. He actually has good hands. What people were calling "drops" earlier were by terrible throws by Teel that no one could catch.

What I really like about Britt's game:

1. Size. He's listed at 6'4, could be bigger. Very lanky, muscular frame.
2. Insane wingspan.
3. Good athlete
4. Excellent ball skills and awareness
5. Huge hands. Putting all of these together, he can make catches on horrible throws to bail out his QB.
6. Very, very physical. DBs have to play 10 yards off him because if they try to bump and run, he will knock them on their back. Great blocker too.

I don't watch all the top receivers every game like I do Britt. However, just based on watching Britt he intuitively seems like someone who will go in the upper half of the first.

georgiafan
11-24-2008, 11:17 AM
On a similar note Kiper has Massaquoi his 25th overall senior player. I would have to question about him about this one.

gpngc
11-24-2008, 01:47 PM
01. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
02. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
03. Kenny Britt, Rutgers
04. Percy Harvin, Florida
05. Darrius Hewyard-Bey, Maryland
06. Jordan Shipley, Texas
07. Brandon Gibson, Washington State
08. Kenny McKinley, South Carolina
09. Derrick Williams, Penn State
10. Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State

Just Missed: Louis Murphy, Brian Robiskie, Juaquin Iglesias

I think the success of a drafted WR, more than any other position, is dictated by the situation he is put in.

I have a feeling one of those lucky guys will end up in Indy as the heir apparent to Marvin Harrison... $$$!

Sniper
11-24-2008, 02:09 PM
09. Derrick Williams, Penn State


Hahahahahahahahahahaha good one

Geo
11-24-2008, 03:18 PM
Add something to the conversation, Sniper. Don't rehash/post *****.

Did you come up with a Top 10 of your own, btw? I don't think I caught it.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 06:05 PM
My problem is this insane love for Derrick Williams. The guy ******* sucks ass! Williams has been the third leading receiver every year except for one, and the other two guys are also seniors. And I'm supposed to believe that he's a top senior receiver? HE IS ******* TERRIBLE. His career high YPC came AS A FRESHMAN, at 13.1. Since then, he's had 11.0, 9.62, and 11.11 ypc. That is ******* horrendous! Deep threat my ************* ass. Running a fast 40 does not make you a good deep threat.



I never said Harvin was a good route runner. But you know what? He actually produces. His freshman year YPC would be better than 3 of Williams' four seasons at 12.56. Since then, he has steadily improved, posting a 14.54 ypc last year and 15.73 this year. It's not even close. Percy Harvin has averaged right around 9.5 ypcarry in his career, and is averaging 9.15 ypc this year. Derrick Williams? Around five ypc for his career, and 5.86 this year.

There are seven, yes seven, more productive senior receivers in the Big 10 alone.



What bias? My bias for good football players? Sorry Geo, but I won't do that. There is nothing besides returning that Williams does that could be considered even remotely close to better than Harvin.

Missed your reply to this one, Geo.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 06:09 PM
Just for Geo...

1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
2. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
3. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
4. Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
5. Kenny Britt, Rutgers
6. Percy Harvin, Florida
7. Damien Williams, Southern California
8. Jarrett Dillard, Rice
9. Brandon Tate, North Carolina
10. Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State















981. Derrick Williams, Penn State

jballa838
11-24-2008, 06:18 PM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey
4. Brandon Gibson *sleeper*
5. Percy Harvin
6. Jarrett Dillard
7. Muhammad Massaquoi
8. Brian Robiskie
9. Kenny Mckinley
10. Derrick Williams. Straight Potential pick.

josh07039
11-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Any list that excludes Kenny Britt loses all credibility. He is not simply a workout warrior or a guy that has size so people will take a chance on him. He is the whole package. He has size, speed, great jumping ability, good not great hands, is great after the catch, and has demonstrated all of that by putting up huge numbers for the last 2 years.

In my opinion, he is at worst the 4th best receiver. I really think he is 2nd after Crabtree because his physical package is superior to Maclin, while his production is superior to DHB with at least an equivalent physical package.

Dirt McGirt
12-30-2008, 09:54 PM
1. Crabtree
2. Maclin
3. Heyward-Bey
4. Britt
5. Dillard
6. Harvin
7. Nicks
8. LaFell
9. Iglesias
10. Maybe D. Williams, Shipley, or Cosby.

On a side note, I cannot wait for next year when Benn and Dez Bryant are elligible.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-30-2008, 09:57 PM
1. Crabree
2. Heyward-Bey
3. Maclin
4. Harvin
5. Mitchell
6. Derrick Williams
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Kenny Britt
9. Brandon Tate
10. Jarrett Dillard

Zyro_1014
12-30-2008, 10:05 PM
1. Crabree
2. Heyward-Bey
3. Maclin
4. Harvin
5. Mitchell
6. Derrick Williams
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Kenny Britt
9. Brandon Tate
10. Jarrett Dillard

sniper is going to rape you for that...lol

1) Crabtree
2) Maclin
3) DHB
4) Britt
5) Harvin
6) Hakeem Nicks
7) Damien Williams
8) Brandon Tate
9) Jarrett Dilliard
10) Brandon Lafell

scottyboy
12-30-2008, 10:06 PM
1. Crabree
2. Heyward-Bey
3. Maclin
4. Harvin
5. Mitchell
6. Derrick Williams
7. Hakeem Nicks
8. Kenny Britt
9. Brandon Tate
10. Jarrett Dillard

just curious, why do you have Britt so low?

Race for the Heisman
12-30-2008, 11:32 PM
1) Crabtree, Michael; Texas Tech**
2) Britt, Kenny; Rutgers*
3) Nicks, Hakeem; North Carolina*
4) LaFell, Brandon; Louisiana State*
5) Maclin, Jeremy; Missouri**
6) Darrius Heyward-Bey; Maryland*
7) Harvin, Percy; Florida*
8) Iglesias, Juaquin; Oklahoma
9) Robiskie, Brian; Ohio State
10) Mitchell, Marko; Nevada

KobeBryant833
12-31-2008, 12:41 AM
1) Crabtree, Michael; Texas Tech**
2) Britt, Kenny; Rutgers*
3) Nicks, Hakeem; North Carolina*
4) LaFell, Brandon; Louisiana State*
5) Maclin, Jeremy; Missouri**
6) Darrius Heyward-Bey; Maryland*
7) Harvin, Percy; Florida*
8) Iglesias, Juaquin; Oklahoma
9) Robiskie, Brian; Ohio State
10) Mitchell, Marko; Nevada

haha i can't wait for the combine and DHB runs a 4.3 forty he'll be the number two WR taken for sure if he has a good workout. Primetime tells me that he ran a 4.37 his junior year in high school, hard to believe, but if true i can't wait to see him at the combine run a high 4.2

Race for the Heisman
12-31-2008, 01:42 AM
haha i can't wait for the combine and DHB runs a 4.3 forty he'll be the number two WR taken for sure if he has a good workout. Primetime tells me that he ran a 4.37 his junior year in high school, hard to believe, but if true i can't wait to see him at the combine run a high 4.2

I couldn't give a rat's ass if he ran a 4.1. He doesn't impress me that much as a football player and I would definitely, without question, take the first four on my list before him every time.

Sniper
12-31-2008, 08:28 AM
6. Derrick Williams

STRIP, you seem like a much smarter man than this. Who forced you to put this atrocity at #6? If you put it yourself, mind telling me how/why you put Williams so high?

bored of education
12-31-2008, 08:36 AM
1. Derrick Williams





2-10 who gives a ****, right Sniper?

SeanTaylorRIP
12-31-2008, 08:41 AM
just curious, why do you have Britt so low?

Because I knew you were going to read it.

STRIP, you seem like a much smarter man than this. Who forced you to put this atrocity at #6? If you put it yourself, mind telling me how/why you put Williams so high?

^^^^^^^^^

Sniper
12-31-2008, 08:47 AM
1. Derrick Williams





2-10 who gives a ****, right Sniper?

What are you talking about? Derrick Williams isn't just #1, he's #1-20! :D

bored of education
12-31-2008, 08:49 AM
What are you talking about? Derrick Williams isn't just #1, he's #1-20! :D

So you are saying he is 21st in your rankings?

Race for the Heisman
12-31-2008, 10:31 AM
What are you talking about? Derrick Williams isn't just #1, he's #1-20! :D

-19? I can't figure out whether that's amazing or awful...

coordinator0
12-31-2008, 11:30 AM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Hakeem Nicks
4. Kenny Britt
5. Darrius Heyward-Bey
6. Brandon LaFell
7. Percy Harvin
8. Marko Mitchell
9. Jarrett Dillard
10. Ramses Barden

middlelinebacker54
12-31-2008, 11:58 AM
1. Michael Crabtree Texas Tech
2. Kenny Britt Rutgers
3. Jeremy Maclin Missouri
4. Jarrett Dillard Rice
5. Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland
6. Sammie Stroughter Oregon State
7. Brandon LaFell LSU
8. Mohamed Massaquoi Georgia
9. Brandon Tate North Carolina
10. Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma

middlelinebacker54
12-31-2008, 11:59 AM
personally i believe that Percy Harvin does not belong in the top ten for three reasons: number one he hasnt been that productive, number two he is always injured, and number three he is extremely raw.

Sniper
12-31-2008, 12:07 PM
personally i believe that Percy Harvin does not belong in the top ten for three reasons: number one he hasnt been that productive, number two he is always injured, and number three he is extremely raw.

Part of his "lack of production" is that he gets touches in so many different ways. Despite this, he still averages 17 yards per catch and has scored seven receiving touchdowns this year. That's pretty damn good. Despite playing two less games than Louis Murphy, UF's leading pass-catcher, Harvin is only one reception behind Murphy. Florida's offense is not only diverse, but much more ground-based.

299 passes this year, 501 rushes. That means they're running the ball 63% of the time, and only passing 37% of the time. Take out sacks and scrambles and it comes out to 60/40 in favor of the run. You also have to factor in the fact that nine Gators have at least 10 receptions.

etk
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Jeremy Maclin
3. Hakeem Nicks
4. Kenny Britt
5. Darrius Heyward-Bey
6. Brandon LaFell
7. Percy Harvin
8. Marko Mitchell
9. Jarrett Dillard
10. Ramses Barden

I don't like Ramses Barden. He'll struggle to get separation from DEs in the NFL.

Harvin at 7 makes me lol.

coordinator0
12-31-2008, 01:59 PM
I don't like Ramses Barden. He'll struggle to get separation from DEs in the NFL.

Harvin at 7 makes me lol.

I thought about putting Byrd at 10, but I just thought I'd throw Barden in there because I didn't see his name much in the other top tens lol. As for Harvin, I just don't like him lol. The better fit for him is probably at 4 but I tend to like the bigger WR's. He seems way too injury prone to me, and these rankings are really about who I'd like to see the Ravens go after...

etk
12-31-2008, 02:10 PM
I thought about putting Byrd at 10, but I just thought I'd throw Barden in there because I didn't see his name much in the other top tens lol. As for Harvin, I just don't like him lol. The better fit for him is probably at 4 but I tend to like the bigger WR's. He seems way too injury prone to me, and these rankings are really about who I'd like to see the Ravens go after...

Nothing wrong with liking a prospect that's not well known/underrated. But top 10? Just mention his name as "deserving consideration". That or think of some other underclassmen that are better than Byrd. There's gotta be a handful.

Ravens don't need another 5'10 receiver. That's fine. Harvin doesn't fit every team, but his talent is being overlooked on this board because of size/durability "issues".