MLB Draft

[djp]

So I basically sent the list for no reason, awesome. Not a fan of the pick of Mr. I swing at everything I must say.

Who are you talking about?

I'm posting PF's pick right now.

[D-Unit]

Who are you talking about?

I'm posting PF's pick right now.
My guess is Carlos Pena.

[Xiomera]

My guess is Carlos Pena.

T24L took Pena . . .

[djp]

My guess is Carlos Pena.

Might be the Cuban Missle, too. He doesn't possess the keenest eye at the plate

[Brodeur]

Who are you talking about?

I'm posting PF's pick right now.

Alexei Ramirez.

[djp]

Alexei Ramirez.

He's only learning to face major league pitching.

I don't think he's ever going to hit 100 walks or anything but I definitely think he'll become more patient.

brb

[Brodeur]

He's only learning to face major league pitching.

I don't think he's ever going to hit 100 walks or anything but I definitely think he'll become more patient.

brb

Eh I just don't see it improving much. And Ethier is probably the only guy I've taken so far without plus defense but he'll be perfectly fine with Beltran and Granderson swarming around out there.

[D-Unit]

fenikz do you know you're up?

[Chucky]

Scotty is up.

I can pick at 9:14 EST?

[D-Unit]

I already know scottyboy will hold up this draft at least 5 times. haha.
One .

[Chucky]

Both Cy Young winners from this year :)

[P-L]

What happened to scotty's pick? Am I up now?

[Brodeur]

What happened to scotty's pick? Am I up now?

He was skipped for being slow, so yes.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

My guess is Carlos Pena.

Pena's .377 OBP is so impatient...

[Brodeur]

Dick move by P-L there.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Dick move by P-L there.

My D will be greater than yours, just wait...

[Brodeur]

My D will be greater than yours, just wait...

What are you going to draft Marco Scutaro to play short?

[Xiomera]

What are you going to draft Marco Scutaro to play short?

Oh my god. He better not take Tony Pena, Jr.

HE'S MINE!

[Chucky]

What are you going to draft Marco Scutaro to play short?

He is going to take Johnie McDonald.


Other note- PF's "ace" is Jon Lester. hehehehehehe

[D-Unit]

He is going to take Johnie McDonald.


Other note- PF's "ace" is Jon Lester. hehehehehehe
That's why he took the first set up man. He's gonna need A LOT of em.

[Xiomera]

Fenikz should be up. Scottyboy is auto-skipped since its the second time I believe . . .

[Tampa 2 4 life]

What are you going to draft Marco Scutaro to play short?

Ummm...Aviles was top 5 Defensive this year. I'm thinking Fernando Perez, Fred Lewis, or Denard Span.

[D-Unit]

Fenikz should be up. Scottyboy is auto-skipped since its the second time I believe . . .
That's the normal rules...

[Brodeur]

Ummm...Aviles was top 5 Defensive this year. I'm thinking Fernando Perez, Fred Lewis, or Denard Span.

Aviles defense will probably not sustain at that level for more than a few years. His range is average. That and the no patience thing.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Aviles defense will probably not sustain at that level for more than a few years. His range is average.

Even if he regresses to 5% above average his bat makes him worth it.

[Chucky]

If anyone takes Matt Stairs I will hammer all your asses


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[scottyboy]

you know, I sent my cell number in for a reason, geez! I'll make my picks now...


jerks :)

[Xiomera]

I was planning on going to bed. Are we gonna get to my picks tonight? Or can I pick when I wake up at 7 am?

[scottyboy]

picks up. Just one question: Is it ok if I decide to move Joba to the 'pen? I mean he did start off there.

[Brodeur]

Defensively:
1B: Youklis > Pena
2B: Utley > Pedroia
SS: Escobar > Aviles
3B: Zimmerman < Beltre (for now)
LF: Granderson = Upton
CF: Beltran = Sizemore

Your move Tampa.

[Xiomera]

I sent a list to P-L and DJP.

[Xiomera]

Waiting on T24L . . . .

[P-L]

Someone text me if it gets to my picks. I'll probably be home by then, but you never know.

[djp]

picks up. Just one question: Is it ok if I decide to move Joba to the 'pen? I mean he did start off there.

Yes that's fine

[Chucky]

Someone text me when my pick comes up. I will be at the Raps game tonight

[D-Unit]

Someone text me when my pick comes up. I will be at the Raps game tonight
Who did you leave your number with?

[D-Unit]

I dunno what CST time is where I'm at. But it's 8:36AM here. How much time left does T2 have?

[djp]

It's 12:38 PM central. 22 minutes.

[D-Unit]

It's 12:38 PM central. 22 minutes.
Thanks. I got your PM too.

[Chucky]

Who did you leave your number with?

I thought I left it in the thread somewhere but

416-616-1662

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Your move Broduer.

[fenikz]

lol never in my life did i think willie harris would be drafted

I guess going balls out for D will do that for a team

[Tampa 2 4 life]

lol never in my life did i think willie harris would be drafted

I guess going balls out for D will do that for a team

Harris was the 4th best LF in the NL last year!

[fenikz]

Harris was the 4th best LF in the NL last year!

lol, not sure what stats tel you that but i think you could of waited until the last round

[Tampa 2 4 life]

lol, not sure what stats tel you that but i think you could of waited until the last round

You're the one who picked Stephen "WTF IS OBP?" Drew, and Ryan "WTF IS A WALK?" Howard.

[Turtlepower]

Harris was the 4th best LF in the NL last year!

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=313742

He was 14th in the NL for LF according to VORP...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=313742

He was 14th in the NL for LF according to VORP...

VORP is crap compared to wOBA, and it doesn't take into account his insane D.

[fenikz]

You're the one who picked Stephen "WTF IS OBP?" Drew, and Ryan "WTF IS A WALK?" Howard.

im not a big stats guy like you, i like results

[Bruce Banner]

VORP is crap compared to wOBA, and it doesn't take into account his insane D.

You told me wOBA was crap one time.

and no, I won't link you.

[Chucky]

my team has too many red sox

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You told me wOBA was crap one time.

and no, I won't link you.

I told you I preferred GPA to wOBA.

[D-Unit]

For someone who doesn't like getting criticized, fenikz sure is dishin' it out. :)

[fenikz]

i was just saying he could of waited until the last round

[D-Unit]

i was just saying he could of waited until the last round
Oh so flattering. . . . hahaha.

Nevermind, bustin' his balls... he's doing all of us a favor. Now go text PF for his pick! :p

[Xiomera]

You're the one who picked Stephen "WTF IS OBP?" Drew, and Ryan "WTF IS A WALK?" Howard.

Drew wasn't a bad pick. I was gonna take him next if Fenikz hadn't taken him where he did.

[Chucky]

My team is too good to be criticized ;)

[Xiomera]

My team is too good to be criticized ;)

Mine too. Pitching Smitching. Who needs it?

[D-Unit]

OK.. so.. uh... Go ahead, tear it up. It's crazy how many Left Handed hitters I ended up picking... Is that good or bad? I dunno.

1B Justin Morneau (27) LH
2B Robinson Cano (26) LH
SS Jose Reyes (25) RH
3B Evan Longoria (23) RH
OF Nate McLouth (26) LH
OF Jay Bruce (21) LH

SP Jake Peavy (27) RHP
SP Edinson Volquez (25) RHP
SP Scott Kazmir (24) LHP
SP Yovani Gallardo (22) RHP

RP Jonathan Broxton (24) RHP

[scottyboy]

D, did you really just take my favorite player in the league? Really :(

[Chucky]

OK.. so.. uh... Go ahead, tear it up. It's crazy how many Left Handed hitters I ended up picking... Is that good or bad? I dunno.

1B Justin Morneau (27) LH
2B Robinson Cano (26) LH
SS Jose Reyes (25) RH
3B Evan Longoria (23) RH
OF Nate McLouth (26) LH
OF Jay Bruce (21) LH

SP Jake Peavy (27) RHP
SP Edinson Volquez (25) RHP
SP Scott Kazmir (24) LHP
SP Yovani Gallardo (22) RHP

RP Jonathan Broxton (24) RHP

Your team is very young which is good. You might want to get a very good setup man just in case Broxton falters.

What do you guys think of my team?


C
1B Prince Fielder(24) (L)
2B Brandon Phillips (27) (R)
SS Jimmy Rollins (29) (S)
3B
LF Matt Holliday (27) (R)
CF- Jacoby Ellsbury (25) (L)
RF- Jason Bay (30) (R)

SP Tim Lincecum (24) (R)
SP Carlos Zambrano (27) (R)
SP Cliff Lee (30) (L)


RP-Jonathan Papelbon (27)(R)

[fenikz]

Drew wasn't a bad pick. I was gonna take him next if Fenikz hadn't taken him where he did.

Ya, he is an absolute stud, I truly feel he should of won the GG last year and he is so ridiculously clutch, if only the rest of the team you rise up to his level

[P-L]

Damn, djp took both pitchers that I was eying.

[D-Unit]

Your team is very young which is good. You might want to get a very good setup man just in case Broxton falters.

What do you guys think of my team?


C
1B Prince Fielder(24) (L)
2B Brandon Phillips (27) (R)
SS Jimmy Rollins (29) (S)
3B
LF Matt Holliday (27) (R)
CF- Jacoby Ellsbury (25) (L)
RF- Jason Bay (30) (R)

SP Tim Lincecum (24) (R)
SP Carlos Zambrano (27) (R)
SP Cliff Lee (30) (L)


RP-Jonathan Papelbon (27)(R)

Not much to dislike, but hard to fall head over heels for either. I purposely stayed away from Cliff Lee... for obvious reasons... and no, I don't want to fight cha ;) I would go any older if I were you.

[D-Unit]

D, did you really just take my favorite player in the league? Really :(
Oh really? I never had a clue...


Thanks for posting your depth chart. ;)

[Chucky]

Not much to dislike, but hard to fall head over heels for either. I purposely stayed away from Cliff Lee... for obvious reasons... and no, I don't want to fight cha ;) I would go any older if I were you.

I think as a third starter in the round I got him it was a good pick, especially considering I needed a lefty. Regarding age I pretty much made the cutoff at 30 for starters, although for certain positions(like RP) I might go over 30

[scottyboy]

Oh really? I never had a clue...


Thanks for posting your depth chart. ;)

but I love Robby... :(

I thought he'd be safe because everyone in the MLB discussion thread hates on him haha.

I only picked him for MVP at the start of the year haha

[djp]

Thoughts on my team so far?

C McCann
1B Gonzalez
2B Ramirez
SS Ramirez
LF Kemp
RF Markakis

P Sabathia, Felix, Danks, Garza, Nathan

[D-Unit]

but I love Robby... :(

I thought he'd be safe because everyone in the MLB discussion thread hates on him haha.

I only picked him for MVP at the start of the year haha
He's been playing solid consistent ball for the Yankees ever since he was 22 years old. A .303 career BA who plays good defense and he just turned 26 in October. He's the type of guy that will give your team a big lift out of nowhere just when you need it. He's my X factor.

[djp]

OK.. so.. uh... Go ahead, tear it up. It's crazy how many Left Handed hitters I ended up picking... Is that good or bad? I dunno.

1B Justin Morneau (27) LH
2B Robinson Cano (26) LH
SS Jose Reyes (25) RH
3B Evan Longoria (23) RH
OF Nate McLouth (26) LH
OF Jay Bruce (21) LH

SP Jake Peavy (27) RHP
SP Edinson Volquez (25) RHP
SP Scott Kazmir (24) LHP
SP Yovani Gallardo (22) RHP

RP Jonathan Broxton (24) RHP

D, I love your team so far. I love Gallardo, Longoria, and Bruce. Your 3 best picks. Broxton was great, too. I don't like the McClouth pick, but that's pretty much it.

A standard D-Unit draft I'd say.

[djp]

Your team is very young which is good. You might want to get a very good setup man just in case Broxton falters.

What do you guys think of my team?


C
1B Prince Fielder(24) (L)
2B Brandon Phillips (27) (R)
SS Jimmy Rollins (29) (S)
3B
LF Matt Holliday (27) (R)
CF- Jacoby Ellsbury (25) (L)
RF- Jason Bay (30) (R)

SP Tim Lincecum (24) (R)
SP Carlos Zambrano (27) (R)
SP Cliff Lee (30) (L)


RP-Jonathan Papelbon (27)(R)

A nice team. You need a black 3rd basemen to complete the Soul Patrol infield.

I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's definitely not the worst. Lincecum is a beast, but Zambrano is declining somehow already and Lee has to prove this season wasn't a fluke.

[djp]

Damn, djp took both pitchers that I was eying.

I've got a 5th starter I'm eyeing and I sure hope he falls to me. You'll probably take him the way this thing is going. I was glad I could get to 4 starters right now.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment though :)

[D-Unit]

Thoughts on my team so far?

C McCann
1B Gonzalez
2B Ramirez
SS Ramirez
LF Kemp
RF Markakis

P Sabathia, Felix, Danks, Garza, Nathan
I like McCann, but I thought that was an early pick. Your best picks were Markakis, Kemp and Nathan. Nathan was supposed to be mine! At least I tried to plan for it. Smart picks all around. Keepin' it young despite your love for Vlad... Smart move, imo. You don't like Kemp at CF?

[D-Unit]

A nice team. You need a black 3rd basemen to complete the Soul Patrol infield.

I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's definitely not the worst. Lincecum is a beast, but Zambrano is declining somehow already and Lee has to prove this season wasn't a fluke.

AHAHA "Soul Patrol"???

DO IT CHUCKY!!!!

[D-Unit]

Ubaldo... nice! I like his upside if he can find the right groove.

[djp]

I like McCann, but I thought that was an early pick. Your best picks were Markakis, Kemp and Nathan. Nathan was supposed to be mine! At least I tried to plan for it. Smart picks all around. Keepin' it young despite your love for Vlad... Smart move, imo. You don't like Kemp at CF?

Looking back, I probably reached on McCann but I love the guy and I don't think he would have lasted back to me.

It's not that I don't like Kemp in CF, but I have another player in mind to play center that is a superior defender.

[djp]

Noooooo PF!

I wanted Jimenez. I'm a huge fan of the guy. He has absolutely electric stuff and is putting up numbers at Coors. His mechanics are a little shaky and his frailty is a concern but he's completely a legit pitcher. I pondered hard about taking him over Garza.

[fenikz]

Jimenez reminds me too much of Oliver Perez, when he is on his stuff is amazing but thats only about 50% of the time, but like DJP said its flawed mechanics if his pitching staff can work those things out he will be a stud

[D-Unit]

Jimenez reminds me too much of Oliver Perez, when he is on his stuff is amazing but thats only about 50% of the time, but like DJP said its flawed mechanics if his pitching staff can work those things out he will be a stud
I can see how that is.

[D-Unit]

I'll be gone for the next couple hours... Thanksgiving luncheon at work.
Doubt my pick arrives anyways...

[Bruce Banner]

Safe to say that T24L prefers the AL?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Safe to say that T24L prefers the AL?

Nah, just kind of worked out that way.

[fenikz]

I can pick now right?

[Bruce Banner]

J-UP was just taken?

wow

[Turtlepower]

J-UP was just taken?

wow

Steal and a half. Seriously, fenikz's team is loaded in every sense of the word.

[Bruce Banner]

Beastly Brodie pick.

[Brodeur]

Your move Broduer.

Harris' is not a good enough offensive player.

[P-L]

Ok, I have one pick I just need to think of the other.

[Brodeur]

Beastly Brodie pick.

Greinke and Nolasco are the two most underrated pitchers in baseball.

[Bruce Banner]

I like Lackey going into his thirties.

[D-Unit]

I like Lackey going into his thirties.
I stayed away from him because he already showed that injuries could be starting to slow him down. He played 60+ innings less this past season than the year before.

I do like Denard Span though. Nice young player there. I wonder what his future beholds.

[Bruce Banner]

I stayed away from him because he already showed that injuries could be starting to slow him down. He played 60+ innings less this past season than the year before.

Yeah, injuries are always a concern with any pitcher, but obviously more so with guys that have histories. I like Lackey because of his style and peripherals.

[fenikz]

booo chucky, now i have to text scotty again

[djp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO DENARD SPAN!!!

I hate you P-L. Great pick. Now I must look elsewhere.

[Bruce Banner]

O-DOG and Yadi are B-A's.

Love those picks!

[Bruce Banner]

Cordero will miss the rest of the 2008 season and will undergo surgery to repair a labrum tear. His expected recovery time is 12-18 months, meaning he may miss the majority - if not all - of the 2009 season. Despite his success, Chad Cordero "will not be back with the team next year because of a conflict with general manager Jim Bowden and will look for employment elsewhere. He says he will likely be ready at the beginning of 2009 Spring Training. If not then sometime in between Spring Training. On October 30, 2008 the nationals sent him outright to AAA Syracuse , and he rejected it becoming a free agent.

Read Fenikz

[fenikz]

O-DOG and Yadi are B-A's.

Love those picks!

Hudson peaked last year, but as far as 2B go he is always going to be top 5 in fielding until he retires and give you quality a bats from both sides of the plate,plus he is a huge club house guy everyone loves him.

i'll miss him ='(

[D-Unit]

Hudson is underrated. Molina is slighty overrated.

Chad Cordero was just a head scratcher. . .

[fenikz]

umm can a change my pick, this is the 1st i've heard of this

[Brodeur]

O-DOG and Yadi are B-A's.

Love those picks!

No they aren't. There's at least three 2nd baseman on the board better than O-Dog, and several better than Yadi.

[Bruce Banner]

No they aren't. There's at least three better 2nd baseman on the board better than O-Dog, and several better than Yadi.

Let me re-phrase this.

I love those players, lol.

[D-Unit]

umm can a change my pick, this is the 1st i've heard of this
That's a negative. :p

[Brodeur]

And now he can take his pick back, since I've successfully taken Jair.

[fenikz]

lol i changed it to wainwright

[Bruce Banner]

Wagonmaker will basically be a #1.

[D-Unit]

fenikz, I'll stay out of this and let DJP decide. But changing your pick after finding out that news is pretty BS.

If anything, you can make up the pick after the draft.

[fenikz]

not like i went back after the round, i changed it before anyone else even got a pick in

[D-Unit]

fenikz, text PF. 9206557932. k thx.

[D-Unit]

not like i went back after the round, i changed it before anyone else even got a pick in
I don't really care either way. But that's kind of lame. It'd be like me changing the Nate McLouth pick after DJP posted how he wasn't worthy of Gold Glove.

[Bruce Banner]

FWIW, everyone knew McLouth wasn't GG worthy, not many people knew that Cordero was off of the team, let alone nursing a torn labrum.

[Brodeur]

I don't really care either way. But that's kind of lame. It'd be like me changing the Nate McLouth pick after DJP posted how he wasn't worthy of Gold Glove.

McLouth is a terrible fielder. I could have told you that.

[fenikz]

I haven't seen McClouth much but he looks like the Eric Byrnes type who is always diving, catches half misses half but of course espn shows the catches and not the misses

[D-Unit]

FWIW, everyone knew McLouth wasn't GG worthy, not many people knew that Cordero was off of the team, let alone nursing a torn labrum.
You're right, not that what you say does mean anything, but the bottom line is that I didn't know he wasn't worthy of his GG. Everyone knew it??? Everyone watches the Pirates? Yeah, riiiiight.

So what I'm going to do is change the pick. Somebody is going to be screwed out of a player. HAHAHAHA.

[D-Unit]

I haven't seen McClouth much but he looks like the Eric Byrnes type who is always diving, catches half misses half but of course espn shows the catches and not the misses
Personally, I think the problem was with him in Centerfield. He seems to have plenty enough speed. Enough to be a threat to steal bases. But he's probably better off in one of the corner spots and that's where I'm playing him.

[D-Unit]

Damn PF... that pick makes me rethink my next pick. I wasn't planning to take Scherzer now, but it narrows down my list of pitchers I wanted.

[Bruce Banner]

You're right, not that what you say does mean anything, but the bottom line is that I didn't know he wasn't worthy of his GG. Everyone knew it??? Everyone watches the Pirates? Yeah, riiiiight.

So what I'm going to do is change the pick. Somebody is going to be screwed out of a player. HAHAHAHA.

My bad.......I guess you give DJP the final say.

[fenikz]

Scherzer is a beast, I was gonna take him later for my BP, fastball is amazing secondary stuff is average but getting better

[D-Unit]

My bad.......I guess you give DJP the final say.
Pssh... You thought I'd actually do it? I was just making a point. As I said said earlier, I don't care.

[djp]

Give me a second guys. Updating the thread

[djp]

I'll let fenikz keep his pick even though I wanted Wainwright, haha. Not many people knew about Cordero.

Not a huge deal. Just make sure next time.

[fenikz]

I'll let fenikz keep his pick even though I wanted Wainwright, haha. Not many people knew about Cordero.

Not a huge deal. Just make sure next time.

thanks, honestly didn't know any of that, was just trying to pick quick to keep things going

[djp]

Xio's on the clock. I'll text him

[fenikz]

nice picks, i was debating between sheets and Wainwright, in a normal public poll i would of taken Sheets because of the bigger name but in this I went with Wainwright just because of the injuries

Morrow is a beast too, I like him much better our of the pen than as a starter, had something like a 1.65 ERA until they made him a starter

[Bruce Banner]

wait, I won't be able to vote on this?

[Brodeur]

I'll find out where you live here and cripple you for the Brandon Morrow pick. Looks like I'll have to substitute my extreme sleeper in the last round.

[Xiomera]

I'll find out where you live here and cripple you for the Brandon Morrow pick. Looks like I'll have to substitute my extreme sleeper in the last round.

Extreme sleeper? Morrow is a stud!

[Brodeur]

Extreme sleeper? Morrow is a stud!

No he wasn't at all, I meant I have one in mind.

[D-Unit]

wait, I won't be able to vote on this?
:eek: That would be an extreme disservice to all of us.

[djp]

Well, I love my bullpen.

[djp]

Yea he doesn't throw 100 Bruce. Does hit 97-98 at times though.

He's straight nasty.

[fenikz]

No he wasn't at all, I meant I have one in mind.

does it start with a M and have 2 of the same letter in the middle?

[Bruce Banner]

Yea he doesn't throw 100 Bruce. Does hit 97-98 at times though.

He's straight nasty.

Crazy.

and I would DH Vlad if possible. (but it isn't!)

[djp]

Nice pick D.

My only concerns with Vlad were health and defense. He's brutal right now in RF and it'll only get worse. He'll be the full time DH soon enough for LAA.

You can't beat his plate presence though. He's gonna rake.

[Brodeur]

does it start with a M and have 2 of the same letter in the middle?

No. It's a really big risk and no one else would make it, but I have my reasons of why it would work.

[djp]

Crazy.

and I would DH Vlad if possible. (but it isn't!)

I don't understand. What's crazy? You don't like Arredondo?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

No. It's a really big risk and no one else would make it, but I have my reasons of why it would work.

You are not stealing Milton Bradley from me.

[Bruce Banner]

I don't understand. What's crazy? You don't like Arredondo?

His stuff is crazy.

[D-Unit]

Nice pick D.

My only concerns with Vlad were health and defense. He's brutal right now in RF and it'll only get worse. He'll be the full time DH soon enough for LAA.

You can't beat his plate presence though. He's gonna rake.
Well we're getting late in the draft and he's an elite hitter. No signs of ailing health at all. He won't be one of my starting OFs, but I wanted to solidify my bench before someone else scooped him up. Plus my team could use a veteran presence like his.

[D-Unit]

and I would DH Vlad if possible. (but it isn't!)
I love how you can't stand how good my team is. ;)

[P-L]

Good pick, I almost picked Guerrero last time. It was close, but I opted for the young guy with great defense.

[djp]

Well we're getting late in the draft and he's an elite hitter. No signs of ailing health at all. He won't be one of my starting OFs, but I wanted to solidify my bench before someone else scooped him up. Plus my team could use a veteran presence like his.

I don't mean to be picky, but,

1. Vlad has bad knees and a bum shoulder (why he wears the sleeve in your picture you posted) and it's cost him on the bases and in the OF. He definitely has shown signs of ailing health.
2. He doesn't speak more than 10 words of English so the veteran presence thing seems a bit farfetched.

Guy is still an absolute stud hitter so if you're using him on the bench, he'll be the best pinch hitter in the draft. I didn't even realize you were taking him on the bench.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I love how you can't stand how good my team is. ;)

He'd agree mine is better.

[Brodeur]

You are not stealing Milton Bradley from me.

The guy I'm thinking is not in the majors at the moment and he's a pitcher. There's your clue.

[D-Unit]

He'd agree mine is better.
Now that you have Tim Hudson. We should all be afraid. :eek:

Hide the women and children!!!

[djp]

The guy I'm thinking is not in the majors at the moment and he's a pitcher. There's your clue.

I know who you're talking about.

[D-Unit]

I don't mean to be picky, but,

1. Vlad has bad knees and a bum shoulder (why he wears the sleeve in your picture you posted) and it's cost him on the bases and in the OF. He definitely has shown signs of ailing health.
2. He doesn't speak more than 10 words of English so the veteran presence thing seems a bit farfetched.

Guy is still an absolute stud hitter so if you're using him on the bench, he'll be the best pinch hitter in the draft. I didn't even realize you were taking him on the bench.
I think part of it is his awkward coordination, but yeah, I realize he's no spring chicken. As for being an example, you don't need to be a talker to be a leader. He gives my team attitude and pitchers fear him. That's good enough.

[fenikz]

could he be related to this studly fellow?
http://blogs.westword.com/cafesociety/schlereth_mark_060710.jpg

[D-Unit]

I know who you're talking about.
And his name sounds like Portabello.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The guy I'm thinking is not in the majors at the moment and he's a pitcher. There's your clue.

You ******* homer.

[Brodeur]

And his name sounds like Portabello.

You would think I mean Porcello, but I don't.

And you people are driving me nuts so I'm about to draft Todd Van Poppel.......err the other guy.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You would think I mean Porcello, but I don't.

Has to be Bumgarner.

[Brodeur]

Has to be Bumgarner.

He's not an ultra super duper elite prospect. Also, Chipper this late= Win.

[djp]

Can someone text Scotty?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

He's not an ultra super duper elite prospect. Also, Chipper this late= Win.

Is he a Rays prospect?

[Brodeur]

Is he a Rays prospect?

No sir. And I'm glad that I've created a strange guessing game of sorts.

[P-L]

Anyone think Chucky will pick tonight? I have to work at 5:00 AM tomorrow, so I'll be going to bed soon.

[Bruce Banner]

I'm double checking rosters and this is hard!

Everyone is good. I'm just trying to determine how players will get better/worse.

And I doubt Vlad even speaks 10 words of English.

[Xiomera]

Anyone think Chucky will pick tonight? I have to work at 5:00 AM tomorrow, so I'll be going to bed soon.
You can send me your list. I'm not picking for a long time so no worries there.

[D-Unit]

I have Chucky's next pick. Xio do you have PL's list?

[djp]

Scotty is skipped, Fenikz can pick any time.

The clock is off though, so nobody skip Fenikz until 1 PM CST tomorrow. Hopefully he picks by then though.

[comahan]

Fenikz picked...

EL CABALLO! Yay Fenikz.

[Chucky]

Note to self:


Don't make picks when drunk. ****!!


I guess my relief pitching is stellar?

[djp]

Come on.....

[D-Unit]

I already know scottyboy will hold up this draft at least 5 times. haha.
Four...

Man I texted that guy last night and today!

[fenikz]

ya normally he text me back pretty quickly, its been an hour anyways we can skip him

[scottyboy]

I was getting an x-ray on me cabeza. sorry boys, pick up in a second.

[Bruce Banner]

I know you like your D-Backs but come on.....

[fenikz]

Chris Young has as much potential as Upton and is already an amazing defender

61 2B, 54 HR, 41 SB, 153 RBI, 170 Runs in his 1st 2 full years despite having a .243 average, that average is only going to climb and he could be an MVP candidate within 2 or 3 years

And that was despite playing most of last year with a hamstring injury, the only reason he didn't miss any time was because we had no one to replace him

[Bruce Banner]

Chris Young has as much potential as Upton and is already an amazing defender

61 2B, 54 HR, 41 SB, 153 RBI, 170 Runs in his 1st 2 full years despite having a .243 average, that average is only going to climb and he could be an MVP candidate with 2 or 3 years
http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/userprofile/mov/ies/vid/eom/an/Laughing_Smiley.bmp.jpg

Look out for that .328 wOBA

You could make a case with his 91 OPS+ though......LOL.

In reality, he probably won't ever bat over .275.

[fenikz]

Good for you with your fancy stats, but anyone in there right mind can see the vast amount of potential that he has

[D-Unit]

I was getting an x-ray on me cabeza. sorry boys, pick up in a second.
x-rays smeckrays! We got a fantasy draft going on here! :p

[Bruce Banner]

Good for you with your fancy stats, but anyone in there right mind can see the vast amount of potential that he has

He has potential to steal a few bags, play some decent D, and crank some homers, but that's about it. He isn't one of those players that will hit for average at all, or have more walks than Ks. I mean his OBP is .315.

His realistic potential comparison is Mike Cameron.

yep.

[fenikz]

Cameron has never hit over 30 HR in a season, Young did it his rookie year

If Young made no strides in his game past right now he is a Cameron clone but he just turned 25 and is going into his 3rd season I would say he still has lots of room to grow

[Bruce Banner]

Cameron has never hit over 30 HR in a season, Young did it his rookie year

HRs don't mean anything when your OBP is .315.

People need to get away from HRs.

[fenikz]

The Rays and Phillies made it to the WS on solid pitching and HRs

[Bruce Banner]

Maybe T24L, a Rays fan, can explain this better.

[fenikz]

sure thing boss

;)

[fenikz]

you definitely did in the ALCS and WS, almost let the red sox comeback because you went into a power slump

[fenikz]

lol because ESPN regularly televised Ray games, but my argument was for the post season anyways

[djp]

Chucky is skipped

[D-Unit]

PL is on but his status is hidden. Not sure if he's here. Can you check in PL?

[P-L]

I'm here, I'm just trying to decide my next pick. I literally have no idea.

[Bruce Banner]

I highly implore that someone take a flier on Brett Wallace.

[Turtlepower]

I highly implore that someone take a flier on Brett Wallace.

Stud Muffin and a half with Wallace.

[Chucky]

Xio, I'll trade you my past two picks for Miggy

[djp]

Nice picks P-L.

Baker will be solid for many years. Never going to strikeout 200 or win a Cy Young, but he'll win 13-15 games with a sub 3.5 ERA.

[D-Unit]

I already know scottyboy will hold up this draft at least 5 times. haha.

5 !

[D-Unit]

Alright, I just texted that bastard.

[D-Unit]

fenikz is up... Any more Diamondbacks or Old guys left at this point???

[Bruce Banner]

Randy Johnson!

Now there's a twofer.

[Brodeur]

I'm here so no more need to pick for me.

[Brodeur]

His realistic potential comparison is Mike Cameron.

BS, Cameron is a thousand times better than Young will ever be. Cameron has great on base skills and is probably the best defender of the last two decades in Center.

[D-Unit]

Did you want to change your pick?

[Brodeur]

Did you want to change your pick?

Yeah I'd rather have Okajima at this point now that I think about it.

[D-Unit]

Go for it. I deleted the post.

[Brodeur]

Two badass lefties out of the pen that can handle a good amount of innings. You can just award me the best team and get it over with.

[D-Unit]

Chris Davis = Steal of the Draft.

[Brodeur]

Since when did you get Fuentes and Thornton?

Kuo > Fuentes, Okajima > Thornton.

And Chris Davis has a ridiculous power ceiling, I'll give you that D. He wouldn't be able to handle 3rd every day though.

[D-Unit]

Kuo > Fuentes, Okajima > Thornton.

And Chris Davis has a ridiculous power ceiling, I'll give you that D. He wouldn't be able to handle 3rd every day though.
THANKS!

But Evan Longoria's got 3B covered pretty good I'd say. ;)

[Brodeur]

....
Are you ******* kidding me?

Maybe not the Okajima one, but Kuo is definitely at least equal to Fuentes, at least when factoring in last year. Plus he's younger and can handle more innings.

[D-Unit]

Kuo is a very very good pitcher.

[Xiomera]

Kuo is a very very good pitcher.

But the real question is . . . better than Fernando Rodney?

I think not! http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Brodeur]

There ya go. I picked him because his fastball is absolutely absurd and while he can be a great starter, he can become one of the best relievers in baseball much quicker.

[Xiomera]

Just so you guys know, I don't give a damn about all these fancy stats you guys are so in love with. They won't help you when it comes time to vote.

[Brodeur]

Just so you guys know, I don't give a damn about all these fancy stats you guys are so in love with. They won't help you when it comes time to vote.

Tampa and I are pretty much just building teams for ourselves at this point (at least I think he is).

[Xiomera]

If you don't give a damn about Defense I will be angry, to let you know.

No, I care about defense quite a bit, but not at the expense of a good balanced offense and pitching. Defense is the type of tie-breaking aspect of a team I will be looking at when evaluating.

[Brodeur]

No, I care about defense quite a bit, but not at the expense of a good balanced offense and pitching. Defense is the type of tie-breaking aspect of a team I will be looking at when evaluating.

Guys with on base skills + defense + undervauled pitchers= victories.

[Xiomera]

Guys with on base skills + defense + undervauled pitchers= victories.

So does established power hitters + speedy base stealers + guys who's defense won't cost you runs . . .

[D-Unit]

Love Neftali, but his career is not destined to be a bullpen player in the next 4 years. If he was brought up this past season like Max Scherzer and provided some relief that would be ok, but he wasn't.

[Xiomera]

On Base is probably the single most valuable asset an offensive player can have.

Well that's tremendous, because I have 3 of the top 18 players in OBP from last year, including #2 Pujols.

[Brodeur]

Love Neftali, but his career is not destined to be a bullpen player in the next 4 years. If he was brought up this past season like Max Scherzer and provided some relief that would be ok, but he wasn't.

I would never actually do it to Feliz if I was a GM, but I think his fastball might be the best pitch in the minors and just using that makes him a very intriguing relief option. Add in a slider and a question on if he can fully develop a full repertoire and it just works for this situation.

If anything he's better than Brian Wilson.

[princefielder28]

I'm not going to ***** about being skipped but I would appreciate a text next time

[D-Unit]

Let's go! Who's up!!!

[Xiomera]

Let's go! Who's up!!!

I will pick if no one objects . . . http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[djp]

It's confusing because PF only made up his pick, but was on the clock when he did so.

So, I guess he's skipped again. Chucky's up now.

[Xiomera]

This needs to end today!

I say free for all picking starting . . . . . . now

[D-Unit]

I'm done texting.

[Xiomera]

I'm done texting.

This late in the draft, people should just be leaving lists. These picks aren't nearly as important.

[djp]

Brodeur is on the clock.

[P-L]

I'm here. I just need to think of my second pick.

[djp]

Brodeur is on the clock.

Up again..

[Brodeur]

Up again..

I'm not Fenikz. And Mike Jacobs is a terrible terrible pick.

[Chucky]

Well my team is done. It is the bestzzzz everzzzzz

[djp]

I'm not Fenikz. And Mike Jacobs is a terrible terrible pick.

Whoops.......

[djp]

Well my team is done. It is the bestzzzz everzzzzz

You have one more pick

[scottyboy]

I'm not Fenikz. And Mike Jacobs is a terrible terrible pick.

defensive first baseman that pop into my head while watching the giants ftw!

[Bruce Banner]

has helton been selected?

[Chucky]

has helton been selected?

What do you think of my team?

[Brodeur]

My full team (minus the last bench spot) is posted in the Depth chart with their specific positions and such. You're all welcome to bow down.

[fenikz]

Your position players are good but not that much better than anyone else, but your pitching lacks any true ace and your bullpen any real closer

[Chucky]

My full team (minus the last bench spot) is posted in the Depth chart with their specific positions and such. You're all welcome to bow down.

My team owns yours :)

[fenikz]

PF that picture is of Mark Reynolds not CoJack, you don't deserve him now

[Bruce Banner]

What do you think of my team?

I'm loving the BP.


RP-Jonathan Papelbon (27)(R)
RP- BJ Ryan (32) (L)
RP-JJ Putz (31) (R)
RP-Jeff Samardzjia


and I love Brandon Phillips.

[fenikz]

Chucky I like your team except for the rotation and Atkins his away numbers are terrible, HRs don't drop down but his average falls .80 points

[Chucky]

Chucky I like your team except for the rotation and Atkins his away numbers are terrible

I think my rotation is definately good enough to get the job done. It helps having an ace like Lincecum at the top though. I have a good backup at 3B in Cantu if need be

[fenikz]

Ya it's a decent rotation, i guess i'm just comparing everyones to mine which is unfair because i used my 1st 3 picks for it

Lincecum = Stud
Z = In fast decline
Lee = 1 Hit wonder
McGowan = solid with some potential
Miller = All potential no substance right now

[Brodeur]

My team owns yours :)

Eh, your rotation is a big question mark outside of Lincecum, your infield corner defense is brutal(and Atkins in general isn't a very good 3rd baseman), and I'm not much of a fan of Ellsbury. I also think BJ Ryan's best years are behind him.

[Chucky]

Eh, your rotation is a big question mark outside of Lincecum, your infield corner defense is brutal(and Atkins in general isn't a very good 3rd baseman), and I'm not much of a fan of Ellsbury. I also think BJ Ryan's best years are behind him.

I mean Zambrano was still very solid in the first half of last year, he just finished poorly. Cliff Lee has shown that he can be a ridiculous pitcher, I just need him to be like 3/4 of what he was last year and I will be happy. Andrew Miller has tons of potential(but he has to put it together still). And Dustin McGowan is a very good young pitcher.

[djp]

I mean Zambrano was still very solid in the first half of last year, he just finished poorly. Cliff Lee has shown that he can be a ridiculous pitcher, I just need him to be like 3/4 of what he was last year and I will be happy. Andrew Miller has tons of potential(but he has to put it together still). And Dustin McGowan is a very good young pitcher.

Look at it compared to everyone else's rotation though.

Zambrano is declining. Who knows how far he'll fall in 4 years?

Cliff Lee was in the minors 18 months ago.

Andrew Miller is probably the worst starter selected in this draft. He's tall, he's a lefty, and he's got good stuff. That's about it right now. No command whatsoever, no mound presence, no idea of how to really pitch.

McGowan is good. I liked that pick.

[Chucky]

Look at it compared to everyone else's rotation though.

Zambrano is declining. Who knows how far he'll fall in 4 years?

Cliff Lee was in the minors 18 months ago.

Andrew Miller is probably the worst starter selected in this draft. He's tall, he's a lefty, and he's got good stuff. That's about it right now. No command whatsoever, no mound presence, no idea of how to really pitch.

McGowan is good. I liked that pick.

I mean he clearly worked out his problems in the minors and has completely re-established himself. The same thing happened to Doc

[fenikz]

D-Unit change PF's picture from Reynolds to Jackson

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04k56od0ke6NI/610x.jpg

they don't even look alike
http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/a/A/2/reynolds2008.jpg

[Bruce Banner]

Big Z will continue to decline but I don't think he will be any worse than a #2 anytime soon.

I'd put my money on Lee continuing be real good, just not that good. I don't see how he can be that dominant and be passed over as a one year wonder. His peripherals check out.

[Bruce Banner]

edit: fenz's got it

[fenikz]

pf ill give you the same heads up as BB gave me

Cordero will miss the rest of the 2008 season and will undergo surgery to repair a labrum tear. His expected recovery time is 12-18 months, meaning he may miss the majority - if not all - of the 2009 season. Despite his success, Chad Cordero "will not be back with the team next year because of a conflict with general manager Jim Bowden and will look for employment elsewhere. He says he will likely be ready at the beginning of 2009 Spring Training. If not then sometime in between Spring Training. On October 30, 2008 the nationals sent him outright to AAA Syracuse , and he rejected it becoming a free agent.

[D-Unit]

I guess for those of you who didn't see my Ryan Doumit pic, you can thank draftguru for deleting it. :P

It was nasty!

[Chucky]

I guess for those of you who didn't see my Ryan Doumit pic, you can thank draftguru for deleting it. :P

It was nasty!

EDIT: I changed my post out of fear of infraction :(

[djp]

fenikz, Joshua Fields > Schlereth

[fenikz]

fenikz, Joshua Fields > Schlereth

I disagree but i was looking for a lefty anyways

[Brodeur]

I disagree but i was looking for a lefty anyways

Should have taken Scott Downs.

[fenikz]

I also accounted for sexiness

[djp]

Everyone send in your rankings please!

Put time into your rankings. Look at each team -- you'd want the same done for you.

Thanks everybody.