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Matthew Jones
11-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Here are some thoughts I have had about top prospects in the draft this year. I have work soon but you can expect the defense soon.

- For a potential #1 overall pick, I am thoroughly unimpressed with Matthew Stafford (Georgia). He looks pretty unnatural at quarterback and can't seem to put together a string of consistent games. I'd rank him lower than I did Quinn, but higher than I did Flacco.

- Josh Freeman (Kansas St.) is not ready to come out at all. He would be a first-round pick, but probably a colossal bust without the work he desperately needs. He could sit on a bench for three years and maybe develop into an okay starter, but there's no way I'd take him in the first.

- With the emergence of the Wildcat offense in the NFL, some concerns about Tim Tebow (Florida) may be eased if any team decides to start shifting towards that. Tebow would be an ideal player for the Wildcat - this probably has his stock in the early-to-mid second round for me.

- It's growing increasingly tough to project Graham Harrell (Texas Tech). He's been one of the best quarterbacks in college this year but he obviously benefits a great deal from Michael Crabtree, who looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald. I have Harrell in the fourth round right now.

- No running back in college football this year has been as productive as Shonn Greene (Iowa), who remains the only running back in the FBS with over 100 yards in each game this season. He is a first round pick right now in my book, but I'm not sure if he'll be taken there.

- One runner who has flown completely under the radar is Donald Brown (Connecticut). This guy has some of the best vision I've ever seen and although his size isn't prototypical, he runs with a lot of burst and power behind an offensive line that's not all that great.

- As far as senior wide receivers go, there seems to be a lot of debate as to who's #1, but at this point I would clearly vouch for Derrick Williams (Penn St.) Even if this guy doesn't have the best statistics, he's a dynamic runner, receiver, and return man who can help all over.

- There are three talented tight ends right now that have been getting first round attention, but I know which one I wouldn't take until the second day - Brandon Pettigrew (Oklahoma St.) This is a guy who has been arrested for felony battery on a police officer - no thanks.

- For all the talk of how many elite offensive tackles there are, there are serious doubts about two of them - Michael Oher (Ole Miss) and Eugene Monroe (Virginia). Oher's mental limitations are well-documented, but not much has been said about Monroe's laziness.

- If not for his size, Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma) wouldn't even be considered as a first-day pick. I have yet to be impressed by him in a game doing something other than run-blocking, and I have serious concerns over whether or not I'd trust him to protect my QB's blind side.

- Although it seems as though Alex Mack (California) is almost a lock for the first round going off of the mock drafts I've seen on here, keep in mind that some scouts still prefer Jonathan Luigs (Arkansas), and that neither is close to being a first-round lock at this point.

Babylon
11-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Good stuff as always. I would break down the offense;

QBs- really depends on who comes out, the seniors arent very good. Of the juniors i think there could be 3 to 4 1st rounders in Stafford, Bradford, Sanchez and Tebow. I think McCoy could get himself into round 2. Tebow is probably the wildcard there, he is a borderline round 1 guy but i think someone will bite. Freeman,Davis and Bomar could be steals on day two.

WRs- Nice group with Crabtree being the headliner, any comparison to Fitzgerald or Boldin these days has to count for something. I think Heywood-Bey, Macklin and Harvin will be round 1 guys if they come out. Day 2 i like Massaqoui and LaFell.

TE- seems a good group. 3 legit Big-12 players should go in the 1st 2 rounds and Cook from USC gets rave reviews.

RBs-lukewarm on this group, only really see Wells going in the top 32 but Moreno would be in the mix if he comes out.

OL- Great depth but not sure if those at the top are in the Walter Jones/Joe Thomas mold. With such depth though the group as a whole could slide, Robinson, Mack and Luigs are certainly going to be up there too with all the tackles.

keylime_5
11-19-2008, 03:13 PM
meh, the wildcat is a formation, I don't think an NFL team is gonna run as much wildcat in their playbook at Houston Nutt, it won't last long. Tebow's best bet is to fix his mechanics, and learn how to be a dropback quarterback who makes more than just one read.

Harrell I like, but as a late round developmental project to be a future backup QB.

princefielder28
11-19-2008, 03:18 PM
Derrick Williams is a very dynamic player, but he will be nothing more than a #3 WR and a return specialists in the league. Juaquin Iglesias has been productive and the main target of Sam Bradford this season; right now he is arguably the #1 senior prospect at the position. Jarett Dillard is the greatest wildcard at the position and depending on the 40 time he posts he could be a big time name for senior wideouts.

Matthew Jones
11-19-2008, 03:48 PM
meh, the wildcat is a formation, I don't think an NFL team is gonna run as much wildcat in their playbook at Houston Nutt, it won't last long. Tebow's best bet is to fix his mechanics, and learn how to be a dropback quarterback who makes more than just one read.

Harrell I like, but as a late round developmental project to be a future backup QB.

The problem is that Tebow isn't going to learn mechanics by staying for another year in Urban Meyer's offense. He might as well declare for the draft while he is still young so that teams have a little longer to mold him into a pro quarterback, although things do have to be pretty good for him at Florida.

DiG
11-19-2008, 04:03 PM
What have you heard on Shonn Greene's 40 time? Or his speed at all. I've seen some highlights of his but thats about it. I've read that he may be in the 4.55-4.6 range? From watching film he looks like he hits the hole pretty hard and has a nice burst.

Me Likey Rookies
11-19-2008, 04:09 PM
- If not for his size, Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma) wouldn't even be considered as a first-day pick. I have yet to be impressed by him in a game doing something other than run-blocking, and I have serious concerns over whether or not I'd trust him to protect my QB's blind side.




He is an obvious RT prospect

BuddyCHRIST
11-19-2008, 04:25 PM
I don't see how the Wildcat helps Tebow at all, its a formation where teams put RB or WR in the QB position. The QB is mainly used as a WR or for a trick play every now and then. He runs similarly in UF's offense but teams won't run their QB like that. Not to mention NFL defenses are fast adjusting and I wouldnt be suprised to see this gone in a year.

And I've seen alot of Stafford and I think the complete opposite, stats don't due him justice because he looks like a complete natural back there. He throws on the run very well, reads defenses and his arm strength and accuracy are elite. Georgia's O-line is poor and the system is not conductive to these playstation numbers like other QB's put up where they go 5 wide and throw drag routes all day to wide open receivers. Stafford is usually throwing when the defense knows he going to and doesn't benefit from the spread. Not to mention outside of AJ Green, UGA's receiving corps has a major case of dropsies.

Bengals78
11-19-2008, 04:28 PM
While I agree with most of what you said ROP, (esp about Loadholt. Def a RT)
I think Stafford has gotten the raw deal this year. He has not had the best protection since his starting OLine got decimated at the beginning

Race for the Heisman
11-19-2008, 05:09 PM
Shonn Greene should be a late first rounder. He does have concerns, but the pure running ability he has makes one think that he can be the kind of back who will consistently get you four or five yards. That's first round in my book.

Brian Robiskie is my pick for top senior wide receiver.

STARHEATHER
11-19-2008, 05:51 PM
i guess the wildcat is coming to the nfl. i guess you can afford to have your qb and 100 million investment taking licks from troy polumalu and ray lewis running from the wildcat formation.that might work.they dont run the wildcat with the qb. they run it with a back or wr. if you say so. i like stafford and freeman they are the only ones with the required physical ability. so what tackle would you pick? if you wouldnt take loadholt or oher or monroe what tackle would you take? or would you use a top 5 pick on beanie wells or mike crabtree when theres a potential top shelf nfl tackle available. remember calvin johnson!

BuddyCHRIST
11-19-2008, 05:59 PM
what does Calvin Johnson have to do with anything? He dominates with the worst QB situation in the NFL.

Menardo75
11-19-2008, 06:01 PM
I agree with a lot of what you said. Loadholt is definitley a RT maybe even a guard. Derrick Williams could be a wildcat guy if people want him. If his 40 time is in the 4.3 range then I think he is a lock in the third round, since he has not been productive as a WR. I really like Chase Coffman I have him as my number two TE. Coffman though if coached right I believe could be an elite TE. I have Harrell in the 5th to 7th round range I think if developed correctly he could be solid.

Also prepare for the wrath of Sniper.

what does Calvin Johnson have to do with anything? He dominates with the worst QB situation in the NFL.

Don't feed him man don't do it lol.

ElectricEye
11-19-2008, 06:09 PM
Great post man.

Responses;

-I agree with you completely on the quarterbacks.
As far as Stafford goes, that's about the perfect place for him amongst guys coming out the past few years. I'm a lot more sold than I was after the Kentucky game, but I still don't see a very natural feel for the game or the ability to read a defense and make consistently good decisions.

You really nailed the Freeman situation. He would probably be a mid to late first rounder right now, but he isn't ready right now. If he comes out this year then he had better hope that he lands in a place where he isn't going to be starting for at least two years, preferably three. He has done absolutely nothing against weak Big XII defenses this year and has looked really raw out there. Still a very talented guy, but lacks any sort of polish. Should probably stay if he can works something out with the new coach.

I agree with you on Tebow's stock and kinda see your point on the Wildcat, but I don't think it's going to last. Versatile quarterbacks are not going to be in high demand anytime soon. His athleticism and production should get him drafted in the second, hopefully in a position where he can work out the kinks in his delivery and footwork.

Graham Harrell is probably the best of the quarterbacks to come through Texas Tech, but I'm just not sure what that means yet. I can't see him having any kind of success in the NFL right now. His arm isn't bad...but that offense is just a black hole for the pro prospectus of quarterbacks. You're right about Crabtree too. The guy is a monster. I would liken him more to Boldin than Fitz though, although there's shades of both in him at times.

-I'm not quite sure for Shonn Greene yet. You can't have anything but respect for the production, but you gotta wonder about the 4.6ish speed. If he runs better than that, it could really help his stock, but he still looks a step too slow on the field to me at times. He's also going to have some injury concerns at the next level. If everything works out for him, he could be a real good value for somebody in the late first/ early second.

Donald Brown looks really quick out there and his vision is great. Cuts fairly well too. He has really good feet. I don't see much of a burst from him though. He's an interesting guy to evaluate. I think he could be a first day pick if he were to come out, and he flies under the radar for sure, but I don't know what to make of him completely yet.

-I don't get Derrick Williams. I gotta disagree with you on him. His return abilities are really good, but he isn't much more than a 40 time and old potential at this point. Very raw. He's the third best receiver on his team right now. I wouldn't expect anything more than a pretty good return man and a guy you can catch defenses by surprise with a couple plays a year. Wouldn't touch him until the second day, and probably not at all.

As far as the top senior wide receiver goes, it's such a crapshoot. If Brandon Tate hadn't gotten hurt, it wouldn't be this hard. I kinda still like Tate as my top guy, even though that sounds absurd. Lois Murphy isn't completely dead for me either. Sammie Stroughter and Jarett Dillard are also guys I kinda like, especially Dillard. Best combination of hands and route running abilities out of all the seniors, and he can really get up there after the ball as well. I think he's a lot faster than people are giving him credit for as well. Size is a legitimate and major knock...but he should at the very least be a productive slot guy. Really, really bad group of seniors here though. I could probably on give a third round grade to Tate/Dillard. Wouldn't draft any of them higher.

-I wouldn't want Pettigrew on the first day either. His blocking is really solid, but I have doubts as to if he's going to do much as a receiver anyway. That in conjunction with his legal troubles makes him a high risk pick.

-I don't know about Michael Oher being mentally limited. I think that concern is being greatly overstated. He's a quiet guy, that's for sure...but the Blind Side is kinda being played up quite a bit. A book that was written nearly three years ago about a story that happened two years earlier shouldn't have much effect on his stock. He's probably the top senior tackle for me. If he doesn't pan out at left tackle, and I think he will, he's the type of guy that can switch to G/RT pretty seamlessly and be great at it. So he's got that to fall back on, but he really looks like a left tackle out there to me.

Eugene Monroe's reputation of being lazy has been well earned. He's looked completely lackadaisical out there at times. At his best, he's better than Oher, but his commitment to being a great player has to be questioned. He still should go Top 10....but I would be careful if I were drafting him.

Loadholt is not staying at LT. The guy is a pure mauler. He has a chance to be a really good RT/G, but I would not draft him looking for a future left tackle and I probably wouldn't draft him until the mid second either. He should be really good in a more limited role.

With the centers...I'm more of an Antoine Caldwell guy myself, but Mack is probably going to be drafted a round higher than everyone else at his potion.

Babylon
11-19-2008, 06:14 PM
i guess the wildcat is coming to the nfl. i guess you can afford to have your qb and 100 million investment taking licks from troy polumalu and ray lewis running from the wildcat formation.that might work.they dont run the wildcat with the qb. they run it with a back or wr. if you say so. i like stafford and freeman they are the only ones with the required physical ability. so what tackle would you pick? if you wouldnt take loadholt or oher or monroe what tackle would you take? or would you use a top 5 pick on beanie wells or mike crabtree when theres a potential top shelf nfl tackle available. remember calvin johnson!

I think Andre Smith of LSU will probably go to the Raiders or the Bungles after that the rest may drop. I like the depth with guys like;

Smith,Baylor
Oher,Miss.
Boone,OSU
Meredith, USC
Black,LSU
Monroe, Virginia
Alex Mack (C) Cal
Jonathon Luigs (C) Arkansas
Duke Robinson (G) Okla.

I think you are going to have some real good o-lineman going in early round 2.

Menardo75
11-19-2008, 06:16 PM
If all of the offensive lineman or even 90% of them live up to their potential this will be the best O-line class ever. The senior class has a lot of talent, and if some of the juniors declare this draft will be more loaded than last year. Last year was pretty good too.

Bengals78
11-19-2008, 06:17 PM
I think Andre Smith of LSU will probably go to the Raiders or the Bungles after that the rest may drop. I like the depth with guys like;



How about Andre Smith of Alabama.

ElectricEye
11-19-2008, 06:21 PM
The offensive line class is loaded. A few legit left pro-bowl caliber left tackles here, by the looks of it. Lot's of good guards and right tackles as well. Hell, we even have three really good centers.

Babylon
11-19-2008, 06:24 PM
How about Andre Smith of Alabama.

How about him, i think he's great.

Babylon
11-19-2008, 06:27 PM
The offensive line class is loaded. A few legit left pro-bowl caliber left tackles here, by the looks of it. Lot's of good guards and right tackles as well. Hell, we even have three really good centers.

It is loaded and if i'm picking early i might keep my powder dry thinking i can get a good one in round 2.

ElectricEye
11-19-2008, 06:32 PM
It is loaded and if i'm picking early i might keep my powder dry thinking i can get a good one in round 2.

It would depend on how early for me. If I had a shot at any of the top three guys, I would probably pull the trigger. I wouldn't feel as good about it if it was Monroe, but I would still probably do it.

STARHEATHER
11-19-2008, 06:38 PM
i just dont see how any of the teams picking high this year could eschew a qb or a tackle.thjey all need one or both. calvin johnson was the greates prospect ever at the wr position. hes a very outstanding football player and a genetic freak to match. but hes also the one of the losingest players in nfl history. his position, despite being the greatest prospect ever, is not warranted of top 10 pick. is it his fault totally no certainly not. but he cant possibly contribute no matter how great he is enough to turn a loser into winner. put a top qb on that team remove calvin johnson i would bet that they would not be 0-10. thats why you cant use a high pickk on mike crabtree or beanie wells. theyre nowhere near the best prospect ever at their position. i dont even believe theyre the best prospects in this class

Matthew Jones
11-19-2008, 10:11 PM
i guess the wildcat is coming to the nfl. i guess you can afford to have your qb and 100 million investment taking licks from troy polumalu and ray lewis running from the wildcat formation.that might work.they dont run the wildcat with the qb. they run it with a back or wr. if you say so. i like stafford and freeman they are the only ones with the required physical ability. so what tackle would you pick? if you wouldnt take loadholt or oher or monroe what tackle would you take? or would you use a top 5 pick on beanie wells or mike crabtree when theres a potential top shelf nfl tackle available. remember calvin johnson!

Calvin Johnson is a great player. Anyways, in the wildcat, Tebow is a good enough running threat that teams wouldn't NEED their running back in, he could remain in the game taking snaps. I wouldn't pick a player in the top 5 that didn't have top 5 talent regardless of whether or not I needed the position, I'd address it elsewhere.

Matthew Jones
11-19-2008, 10:13 PM
What have you heard on Shonn Greene's 40 time? Or his speed at all. I've seen some highlights of his but thats about it. I've read that he may be in the 4.55-4.6 range? From watching film he looks like he hits the hole pretty hard and has a nice burst.

I've heard stuff mostly around the 4.6, 4.65 range. If he gets in the 4.5s I say he's a round one lock at this point.

Dam8610
11-19-2008, 11:29 PM
- As far as senior wide receivers go, there seems to be a lot of debate as to who's #1, but at this point I would clearly vouch for Derrick Williams (Penn St.) Even if this guy doesn't have the best statistics, he's a dynamic runner, receiver, and return man who can help all over.

:eek: No way...

ChezPower4
11-20-2008, 08:29 AM
I agree 100% about Phil Loadholt, I've seen him play a couple of times this year and have been not impressed one bit. He's got the mesurables and tools of a top 10 OT but he plays nowhere near one. I hear a lot of people saying he's a RT for sure but I have my doubts about him being a RT as well.

Larry121283
11-20-2008, 12:19 PM
Offensive line is very good this...I've yet to see a lineman come in without question marks in his translation to the pro game, so obvious questions are had by all.

If I am ranking linemen...

1. Andre Smith, Alabama - Top 3 pick.
2. Michael Oher, Ole Miss - Top 3 pick.
3. Duke Robinson, Oklahoma - Top 10 pick.
4. Herman Johnson, LSU - Top 20 pick. (will go in round 2, most likely)
5. Eugene Monroe, Virginia - Top 12 pick. (tackle goes higher than guard)
6. Jason Smith, Baylor - Top 20 pick.
7. Alex Mack, Cal - Top 32 pick.
8. Ciron Black, LSU - Top 25 pick. (tackle goes higher than center)
9. John Luigs, Arkanasas - Top 35 pick.

The depth is fantastic this year at offensive line. You can get solid depth very late in this draft.

Ward
11-20-2008, 01:15 PM
meh, the wildcat is a formation, I don't think an NFL team is gonna run as much wildcat in their playbook at Houston Nutt, it won't last long. Tebow's best bet is to fix his mechanics, and learn how to be a dropback quarterback who makes more than just one read.

Harrell I like, but as a late round developmental project to be a future backup QB.

Vince Young didn't bother with that part, and look at him now! He's kick ass!

SuperKevin
11-20-2008, 01:27 PM
Offensive line is very good this...I've yet to see a lineman come in without question marks in his translation to the pro game, so obvious questions are had by all.

If I am ranking linemen...

1. Andre Smith, Alabama - Top 3 pick.
2. Michael Oher, Ole Miss - Top 3 pick.
3. Duke Robinson, Oklahoma - Top 10 pick.
4. Herman Johnson, LSU - Top 20 pick. (will go in round 2, most likely)
5. Eugene Monroe, Virginia - Top 12 pick. (tackle goes higher than guard)
6. Jason Smith, Baylor - Top 20 pick.
7. Alex Mack, Cal - Top 32 pick.
8. Ciron Black, LSU - Top 25 pick. (tackle goes higher than center)
9. John Luigs, Arkanasas - Top 35 pick.

The depth is fantastic this year at offensive line. You can get solid depth very late in this draft.

You won't see a OG go in the top 10.

BigBanger
11-20-2008, 01:30 PM
- With the emergence of the Wildcat offense in the NFL, some concerns about Tim Tebow (Florida) may be eased if any team decides to start shifting towards that. Tebow would be an ideal player for the Wildcat - this probably has his stock in the early-to-mid second round for me.
How will the wildcat help Tebow?

The wildcat is used with a two back set where the QB doesn't touch the ball unless its on a variation of a flea flicker, and pretty much any QB can run a flea flicker. Tebow is years of away, and he doesn't need to be in a spread offense. He just needs time to adjust to an NFL system. Like 4 years.

I don't see how this will help any QB since it takes them out of the game.

Iamcanadian
11-20-2008, 01:31 PM
Here are some thoughts I have had about top prospects in the draft this year. I have work soon but you can expect the defense soon.

- For a potential #1 overall pick, I am thoroughly unimpressed with Matthew Stafford (Georgia). He looks pretty unnatural at quarterback and can't seem to put together a string of consistent games. I'd rank him lower than I did Quinn, but higher than I did Flacco.

His OL stinks and it's warping people's view of him. He'll go #1 if he declares. He elite all the way. The best since Palmer came out.

- Josh Freeman (Kansas St.) is not ready to come out at all. He would be a first-round pick, but probably a colossal bust without the work he desperately needs. He could sit on a bench for three years and maybe develop into an okay starter, but there's no way I'd take him in the first.

I agree, he needs another year.

- With the emergence of the Wildcat offense in the NFL, some concerns about Tim Tebow (Florida) may be eased if any team decides to start shifting towards that. Tebow would be an ideal player for the Wildcat - this probably has his stock in the early-to-mid second round for me.

Tebow will never be asked to run the ball on a consistant basis in the pros. He'll have to make it on his throwing ability.


- It's growing increasingly tough to project Graham Harrell (Texas Tech). He's been one of the best quarterbacks in college this year but he obviously benefits a great deal from Michael Crabtree, who looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald. I have Harrell in the fourth round right now.

He's a mid round pick at best.


- No running back in college football this year has been as productive as Shonn Greene (Iowa), who remains the only running back in the FBS with over 100 yards in each game this season. He is a first round pick right now in my book, but I'm not sure if he'll be taken there.

4.60-4.65 RB's don't get drafted in round 1 very often. If he can run a 4.55 he has a real shot otherwise it's probably early round 2 for him.


- One runner who has flown completely under the radar is Donald Brown (Connecticut). This guy has some of the best vision I've ever seen and although his size isn't prototypical, he runs with a lot of burst and power behind an offensive line that's not all that great.

I doubt he declares. A round 3 type of guy.


- As far as senior wide receivers go, there seems to be a lot of debate as to who's #1, but at this point I would clearly vouch for Derrick Williams (Penn St.) Even if this guy doesn't have the best statistics, he's a dynamic runner, receiver, and return man who can help all over.

Borderline 1st rounder depending on how many junior WR's declare.

- There are three talented tight ends right now that have been getting first round attention, but I know which one I wouldn't take until the second day - Brandon Pettigrew (Oklahoma St.) This is a guy who has been arrested for felony battery on a police officer - no thanks.

He's the best blocking TE to come out in a long time and has solid hands. Has a shot but incident could cost him some money.

- For all the talk of how many elite offensive tackles there are, there are serious doubts about two of them - Michael Oher (Ole Miss) and Eugene Monroe (Virginia). Oher's mental limitations are well-documented, but not much has been said about Monroe's laziness.

Antoine Smith is the top guy by a mile but these 2 remain serious top 15 guys.

- If not for his size, Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma) wouldn't even be considered as a first-day pick. I have yet to be impressed by him in a game doing something other than run-blocking, and I have serious concerns over whether or not I'd trust him to protect my QB's blind side.

He'll never play LT in the pros, strickly a RT prospect. Probably round 2.


- Although it seems as though Alex Mack (California) is almost a lock for the first round going off of the mock drafts I've seen on here, keep in mind that some scouts still prefer Jonathan Luigs (Arkansas), and that neither is close to being a first-round lock at this point.


Mack is the only one with a shot at round 1. Max Unger will probably be the 2nd OC picked with Luigs third.

Good effort.

SuperKevin
11-20-2008, 01:32 PM
How will the wildcat help Tebow?

The wildcat is used with a two back set where the QB doesn't touch the ball unless its on a variation of a flea flicker, and pretty much any QB can run a flea flicker. Tebow is years of away, and he doesn't need to be in a spread offense. He just needs time to adjust to an NFL system. Like 4 years.

I don't see how this will help any QB since it takes them out of the game.

Exactly. The best thing for Tebow is not being on the field.

SenorGato
11-20-2008, 02:39 PM
I cannot wait until the Oher intelligence myths blow away.

He was not properly educated when he was young. This was probably because his mother did crack and he didn't know his dad, who was murdered.

When he went into school, he learned.

I don't even know why people use The Blind Side to support this claim. The book doesn't paint Oher as stupid. Lewis actually seems to make sure and emphasize that what makes Oher's story is that he's a freakishly athletic person of normal intelligence that basically got separated from humanity due to some really, really terrible things as a kid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhlbsJUJ9Q

Listen to him talk...this is not a guy with any obvious learning disabilities and it seems like anyone who's ever come into contact with him agrees that he's not unintelligent, just uneducated.

Plus, his adoptive sister AND mom are hot.

I'd think the fact that he's become a top SEC pass protector just what...5-6 years into his football career would say something about him...but that learning disability stuff won't go away.

Menardo75
11-20-2008, 03:35 PM
You won't see a OG go in the top 10.

What are you talking about Robert Gallery great OG.

Ward
11-20-2008, 08:53 PM
What are you talking about Robert Gallery great OG.

I hope this post was intentionally funny.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 08:57 PM
As far as senior wide receivers go, there seems to be a lot of debate as to who's #1, but at this point I would clearly vouch for Derrick Williams (Penn St.) Even if this guy doesn't have the best statistics, he's a dynamic runner, receiver, and return man who can help all over.


If you're dynamic, you find a way to put up good stats.

Williams isn't even a top 10 senior WR.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 08:59 PM
Good effort.

Did you really say Derrick Williams is a borderline first rounder? I seriously hope that's an awful attempt at a joke. Can you give me any reason as to why this guy should be even looked at before round 4? Maybe I'm the only one, but I really think Williams is absurdly overrated. What does he do well? It certainly isn't receiving.

ElectricEye
11-20-2008, 09:01 PM
Did you really say Derrick Williams is a borderline first rounder? I seriously hope that's an awful attempt at a joke. Can you give me any reason as to why this guy should be even looked at before round 4? Maybe I'm the only one, but I really think Williams is absurdly overrated. What does he do well? It certainly isn't receiving.

Or anything on offensive that can be used consistently really. I don't think you're the only one. Even if he was the best senior wide receiver, which I don't think he is, it wouldn't be saying much anyway.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 09:03 PM
Or anything on offensive that can be used consistently really. I don't think you're the only one. Even if he was the best senior wide receiver, which I don't think he is, it wouldn't be saying much anyway.

He's the third best senior receiver on his own team.

ElectricEye
11-20-2008, 09:07 PM
He's the third best senior receiver on his own team.

To be fair; he's still a much more dratable prospect than Norwood and Butler...but I agree with the sentiment. I wouldn't draft him.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 09:07 PM
To be fair; he's still a much more dratable prospect than Norwood and Butler...but I agree with the sentiment. I don't think I would touch him.

Maybe in terms of returning, yeah. But as a receiver? No way. He's such a sloppy route runner and has mediocre hands. And by mediocre, I mean awful.

ElectricEye
11-20-2008, 09:10 PM
Maybe in terms of returning, yeah. But as a receiver? No way. He's such a sloppy route runner and has mediocre hands. And by mediocre, I mean awful.

For a speed guy he doesn't really produce many big plays as a receiver either. 11.3 YPC or something like that if I recall correctly.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 09:12 PM
For a speed guy he doesn't really produce many big plays as a receiver either. 11.3 YPC or something like that if I recall correctly.

Career 10.7 ypc. One 100 yard game, which came against the dominant secondary of Temple. 6 career receiving touchdowns. 6!

ElectricEye
11-20-2008, 09:19 PM
He was exciting to watch as a freshman but he hasn't progressed like at all since. He should be doing so much more with the kind of speed he has. Even guys that raw should be able to be at least somewhat productive at their position with that kind of speed.

gpngc
11-20-2008, 09:49 PM
Donald Brown has Marion Barber-like talent with a little less athleticism but the same solid vision and never-quit drive.

He runs hard and smart, and can/will do it all on the field. LOVE this kid. First round talent who could be a steal in the third due to his position.

If he doesn't come out this year, he'll be a top RB prospect for 2010 for sure.

Larry121283
11-20-2008, 11:26 PM
You won't see a OG go in the top 10.
Probably true, but that wasn't a prediction about where he'd go, it was his draft grade.

I'd rank him as a Top 10 pick in the draft.

Don't care where they end up, just how good they end up becoming.

Menardo75
11-21-2008, 12:32 AM
I hope this post was intentionally funny.

It was supposed to be..