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BuckDawg23
11-19-2008, 10:21 PM
It seems most of the college DE's this year people think would make better 34 OLB's, so who in this draft seem like the prototypical 43 DE's? More importantly which ones could go after the 1st round?

CashmoneyDrew
11-19-2008, 10:23 PM
Greg Middleton if he comes out.

Race for the Heisman
11-19-2008, 10:28 PM
Corey Wootton and Greg Hardy, ditto above. Matt Shaughnessy.

regoob2
11-19-2008, 11:08 PM
Greg Middleton if he comes out.Middleton isn't very good though.

BuckDawg23
11-19-2008, 11:34 PM
What do you think of Cody Brown from UConn?

renegade
11-20-2008, 01:14 AM
Brandon Graham from Michigan. Can play either DE spot, has the size for LE at 6'3" and 270 pounds and the athleticism for RE (4.6-4.7 speed). He is also uber productive, this season he has 9 sacks and 17 tackles for a loss.

Zyro_1014
11-20-2008, 01:20 AM
Kyle Moore at USC can be a good guy to take maybe late 2nd round or maybe the 3rd.

Production isnt there, but part is due to playing on that defense. He has tons of potential tho.

Menardo75
11-20-2008, 01:24 AM
Greg Hardy Everette Brown possibly.

Zyro_1014
11-20-2008, 01:25 AM
Greg Hardy Everette Brown possibly.

after the first round big man! cmon now

Menardo75
11-20-2008, 01:25 AM
after the first round big man! cmon now

Oh after the first round missed that part...... :)

Zyro_1014
11-20-2008, 01:28 AM
Oh after the first round missed that part...... :)

you would my friend....you would! :)

Menardo75
11-20-2008, 01:31 AM
In that case Stryker Sulak from Missouri as a situation guy.

Habibi
11-20-2008, 01:46 AM
Greg Middleton if he comes out.

Middleton is the man.

CantStopGregJones
11-20-2008, 03:57 AM
Connor Barwin....the next generation Aaron Kampman.

Most any of the prospects at DE as well...just because you have the ability to play 34 rush backer doesn't mean you lack the ability to play 43 DE.

Sniper
11-20-2008, 08:06 AM
Brandon Graham from Michigan. Can play either DE spot, has the size for LE at 6'3" and 270 pounds and the athleticism for RE (4.6-4.7 speed). He is also uber productive, this season he has 9 sacks and 17 tackles for a loss.

Yazshemash!!!!!

DeathbyStat
11-20-2008, 08:21 AM
Ill go with Graham as well

regoob2
11-20-2008, 11:26 AM
Connor Barwin....the next generation Aaron Kampman.

Most any of the prospects at DE as well...just because you have the ability to play 34 rush backer doesn't mean you lack the ability to play 43 DE.I dont think he is similar to Kampman at all. Maybe a Vrabel type. I dont think he's that fast and he's undersized for a 4-3 DE.

MetSox17
11-20-2008, 11:51 AM
Henry Melton

CantStopGregJones
11-20-2008, 12:16 PM
I dont think he is similar to Kampman at all. Maybe a Vrabel type. I dont think he's that fast and he's undersized for a 4-3 DE.

Hmm he's dominate against the run and pass. He can play strong side end because of his power. Barwin is 255 while Kampman is only 268. I'm sure Barwin can easily be up to 268 by the time he's ready to start in the NFL.

SenorGato
11-20-2008, 02:45 PM
All the potential 3-4 OLBs can play DE at the NFL level...it's a matter of who drafts them really.

Lawrence Wilson and Kyle Moore are two of the more intriguing guys in the draft IMO.

CashmoneyDrew
11-20-2008, 02:59 PM
Middleton isn't very good though.

Didn't say he was or wasn't. He just has prototypical size and would go after round 1.

ironman4579
11-20-2008, 06:39 PM
Have to go with Graham as well. If a 270 pound guy can't play 4-3 DE, I don't know how big you have to be.

BamaFalcon59
11-20-2008, 06:42 PM
Jason Worilds = <3

Smokey Joe
11-20-2008, 06:59 PM
Didn't say he was or wasn't. He just has prototypical size and would go after round 1.
Considering he's a Junior who likely wouldn't be drafted until late, it wouldn't be smart for him to declare this year.

foozball
11-20-2008, 08:14 PM
how good exactly is larry english? is 6'3 255lbs big enough for DE?

Smokey Joe
11-20-2008, 10:16 PM
He'd need to add at least 10 more pounds, but he'd be big enough for DE is a cover 2 scheme, a la Lovie and Dungy.

njboltfan
11-20-2008, 11:08 PM
hey all new here so just wanted to make my first post..... and jump into your conversation... basicly de's in college either play de in a 4-3, or olb in a 3-4 depending on ther size and ability and where they go. if you looking for a 3-4 de you need to look at defensive tackles in college, id say someone about 6-4 290 ish who can move well take up blockers but also be able to shed them to make takles at or behind the LOS hope this helps.... :)

Babylon
11-21-2008, 02:19 PM
Kyle Moore at USC can be a good guy to take maybe late 2nd round or maybe the 3rd.

Production isnt there, but part is due to playing on that defense. He has tons of potential tho.


That whole D-line i think has underachieved a bit this year. Maola has been up and down and they pretty much benched Griffen for awhile. I wouldn't waste anything near a high pick on Moore but i think he can play.

Heart of Oak
11-21-2008, 06:49 PM
Hi! I'm a new member, just signed up today. I was wondering what you all could tell me about Greg Hardy, in particular his ability to play RE in a 4-3.

I'm a Raiders fan working on a trade scenario and I'm looking for a 4-3 RE who is an eilte pass rusher but can stand up to the run. Does Hardy fit the bill? Also where is he likely to go in the draft, will he still be there between #15 and #20?

regoob2
11-21-2008, 09:15 PM
Hmm he's dominate against the run and pass. He can play strong side end because of his power. Barwin is 255 while Kampman is only 268. I'm sure Barwin can easily be up to 268 by the time he's ready to start in the NFL.
That sounds like a sure fire top 10 pick. You sure that's all true?

regoob2
11-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Didn't say he was or wasn't. He just has prototypical size and would go after round 1.I didnt see the after first round part.

CantStopGregJones
11-23-2008, 10:48 AM
That sounds like a sure fire top 10 pick. You sure that's all true?

Its all true. Kampman wasn't a Top 10 pick was he? Didn't think so, what about Jared Allen? Nope...sorry. Connor Barwin, regardless of draft position, will become one of the better DEs from this draft.

I hope everyone saw his game on prime time lastnight too. He dominated Pittsburgh.

Texas Homer
12-01-2008, 01:13 AM
Henry Melton Sr. Texas. Strongside DE prospect.mid round guy.

I think this guy is just starting to pop up on scouts lists. He is converted DE from RB. He scored 16 TD's as a RB and converted to DE as a Jr. . He is a Sr. now and starting to look really good. He is really athletic(He was listed as an All around Athlete position coming out of high school). He has good bloodlines(Uncle Ray Crockett). He is listed at 6'3 260. His Defensive stats for the year are not overwhelming, but he has been pretty disruptive and in the backfield a lot.

He is still learning the position, but I could see him getting picked in the 4th or 5th round and end having a good career in the NFL.

Mr. Stiller
12-01-2008, 01:46 AM
Its all true. Kampman wasn't a Top 10 pick was he? Didn't think so, what about Jared Allen? Nope...sorry. Connor Barwin, regardless of draft position, will become one of the better DEs from this draft.

I hope everyone saw his game on prime time lastnight too. He dominated Pittsburgh.

Because Pittsburgh has an OT that will be a monster in the Pro's.

Are you BFF's with Starheather?

Barwin can be an exceptional pro in the NFL but to make assertions that he's the next Aaron Kampman or Jared Allen is a little... Overzealous.

ToldLikeItIs
12-01-2008, 02:51 AM
Mitch King

Iowa DL

Will play DE in the pros at 6'3 265 or so. He's lightning quick off the edge, possesses four or five great interior moves, and is solid against the run. He lead the Big Ten in TFL this year with 17, and was named Chris Spielman's defensive player of the year.

Currently he's playing at 280, but he'll shed 15 lbs after the season and play at a tapered 265. Expect him to be drafted in the third round or so, but he'll definitely contribute in the pros, and early.

STARHEATHER
12-01-2008, 07:54 PM
corey wooton 6 7 270 from nw.

DiG
12-02-2008, 09:03 AM
Mitch King

Iowa DL

Will play DE in the pros at 6'3 265 or so. He's lightning quick off the edge, possesses four or five great interior moves, and is solid against the run. He lead the Big Ten in TFL this year with 17, and was named Chris Spielman's defensive player of the year.

Currently he's playing at 280, but he'll shed 15 lbs after the season and play at a tapered 265. Expect him to be drafted in the third round or so, but he'll definitely contribute in the pros, and early.

Checked him out and he seems intriguing. Has a lot of tackles for loss but doesn't get a lot of sacks.If he does shed 5-10 lbs like you said it might make him that little bit quicker. Will be interesting to watch.

ironman4579
12-02-2008, 11:19 AM
Mitch King

Iowa DL

Will play DE in the pros at 6'3 265 or so. He's lightning quick off the edge, possesses four or five great interior moves, and is solid against the run. He lead the Big Ten in TFL this year with 17, and was named Chris Spielman's defensive player of the year.

Currently he's playing at 280, but he'll shed 15 lbs after the season and play at a tapered 265. Expect him to be drafted in the third round or so, but he'll definitely contribute in the pros, and early.

King didn't lead the Big 10 in TFL's, Told. Brandon Graham had 20 TFL's. Iowa's website also lists him as having 15.5 TFL's in 12 games, not 17. And they list him at 6'3", 280, not 265. At 265 King would have been a tweener actually. AT 280, he'd definately be a 4-3 DE or UT. I actually didn't realize King was that heavy. I actually really like him as a DT, which is what he played this year, isn't it? Although as a pass rusher he doesn't get a ton of sacks, but does push the pocket well.


EDIT: Should have read all the way I guess. I see what you were saying with the 265 now.

ToldLikeItIs
12-02-2008, 12:02 PM
"King didn't lead the Big 10 in TFL's, Told. Brandon Graham had 20 TFL's. Iowa's website also lists him as having 15.5 TFL's in 12 games, not 17. And they list him at 6'3", 280, not 265. At 265 King would have been a tweener actually. AT 280, he'd definately be a 4-3 DE or UT. I actually didn't realize King was that heavy. I actually really like him as a DT, which is what he played this year, isn't it? Although as a pass rusher he doesn't get a ton of sacks, but does push the pocket well.


EDIT: Should have read all the way I guess. I see what you were saying with the 265 now."

Ahh, I was under the impression he had 15.5 before the Minnesota game, where he registered at least 2 TFL's. Graham did have a big year though.

No problem, King could go the Babineaux route and play DT, but honestly, his frame is currently pretty much filled out at 280-283. I have heard he will shoot down about 15 lbs, which shouldn't be hard, as he's bulked up about 20 lbs beyond his ideal weight, and he will really impress at the combine with numbers in the 4.75 range, 25+ reps, and probably the quickest 10 and shuttle of DL.

He's an animal with great instincts, simply put.