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Ozzy
11-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Most improved draft eligible prospects
A list of a few players who I feel have really improved their play compared to last season and have become legitimate NFL prospects at their respective positions.

Mark Sanchez JR QB USC
Jevan Snead SOPH QB Ole Miss


Antone Smith SR RB Florida State
Charles Scott JR RB LSU
Brandon Minor JR RB Michigan


Brandon Tate SR WR UNC
Patrick Turner SR WR USC
Eric Decker JR WR Minnesota
Derrick Williams SR WR Penn State
Sammie Stroughter SR WR Oregon State
Demetrius Byrd SR WR LSU
Jordan Shipley SR WR Texas
Quan Cosby SR WR Texas
Dexter McCluster JR WR Ole Miss


Chase Coffman SR TE Missouri
Anthony McCoy JR TE USC


Sergio Kindle JR DE Texas
Corey Wootton JR DE Northwestern
Brandon Graham JR DE Michigan
Brian Orakpo SR DE Texas
Willie VanDeSteeg SR DE Minnesota


Ron Brace SR NT Boston College
Roy Miller SR DT Texas


Mark Herzlich JR OLB Boston College
Clay Matthews SR OLB USC
Moises Fokou SR OLB Maryland
Anthony Heygood SR OLB Purdue
Kaluka Maiavia SR OLB USC


Derrick Nicholson SR ILB Florida St.
Brit Miller SR ILB Illinois
Glenn Cook SR ILB Miami FL


DJ Moore JR CB Vanderbilt
Syd'Quan Thompson JR CB Cal
Javier Arenas JR CB Alabama
Ryan Palmer SR CB Texas
Josh Pinkard SR CB USC


David Bruton SR FS Notre Dame
Rashad Johnson SR FS Alabama
Demetrice Morley JR FS Tennessee



Most disappointing draft eligible prospects
Players who have disappointed this most this season, and a few of them were major prospects coming into this year but some have just had disaster senior seasons! A lot of them surprisingly even got benched and rarely play.

Cullen Harper SR QB Clemson
Curtis Painter SR QB Purdue
Todd Boeckman SR QB Ohio State
Matt Grothe JR QB South Florida


Arian Foster SR RB Tennessee
James Davis SR RB Clemson
PJ Hill JR RB Wisconsin
Jorvorskie SR FB Lane Texas A&M


Danario Alexander JR WR Missouri
Deon Butler SR WR Penn State
Jordan Norwood SR WR Penn State

Travis Beckum SR TE Wisconsin


Marlon Favorite SR DT LSU
Ian Campbell SR DE Kansas State


Mike Rivera SR OLB Kansas
Darry Beckwith SR ILB LSU
Prince Hall JR ILB Alabama


Danny Gorrer SR CB Texas A&M


JeMario O'Neal SR FS Ohio St.
Anthony Scirrotto SR FS Penn State

STARHEATHER
11-24-2008, 07:17 PM
maybe not for me but for most people rey maaluga. ust awful. how is it this guy is a finalist for the top lb?hes missed games, nowhere near the top in any statistical category. PR PR PR .marcus freeman has also been disappointing. potential rd 1 lb good athlete etc but just misses too many tackles. i wouldnt touch him these days.

on the good id have to say tony pike. hes risen from obscurity and the bench 3rd on the depth chart to the best nfl prospect at the position this year .

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Here are a few players that either came out of no where, or at least kind of snuck up on me and are decent and moderately promising NFL prospects at this point.

Chris Crane SR QB Boston College
Andre Brown SR RB NC State
Quinn Johnson SR FB LSU
Robert Ayers SR DE Tennessee
Tremaine Johnson SR DE LSU
Willie Young JR DE NC State
Kenny Ingram SR OLB FSU
Chip Vaughn SR SS Wake Forest

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 07:21 PM
STARHEATHER not for me but for most people rey maaluga. ust awful. how is it this guy is a finalist for the top lb?hes missed games, nowhere near the top in any statistical category. PR PR PR .marcus freeman has also been disappointing. potential rd 1 lb good athlete etc but just misses too many tackles. i wouldnt touch him these days.I had him on my original list, but decided to take him off because he is playing bad but at least he is not playing so bad he got benched. Which could easily happen on USC. In the right system he will be decent, but yes he is having a very unimpressive senior season. Yes Freeman has not impressed this year either, but is not horrible just not having a real standout season. Then again neither has James, but he sure looked like his old self against Michigan though.

illmatic74
11-24-2008, 07:22 PM
Andre Smith some people thought of him as an NFL guard at the start of the year now he is the #1 ranked OT

Race for the Heisman
11-24-2008, 07:23 PM
Improved:
Nate Davis
B.J. Raji
Brandon Spikes
Javon Ringer

Disappointing:
Brian Robiskie (sort of, the switch to Pryor hasn't been especially kind to him)
Courtney Green
William Moore (a little bit)
Phil Loadholt

JaMario O'Neal (S/LB - Ohio State) was never much of a prospect to begin with.

STARHEATHER
11-24-2008, 07:37 PM
how is phil loadholt disappointing. it cant piossibly be from their games where they run at will pretty much and the qb rarely gets touched

MetSox17
11-24-2008, 07:46 PM
how is phil loadholt disappointing. it cant piossibly be from their games where they run at will pretty much and the qb rarely gets touched

Brian Orakpo beat him like a dirty rug for 60 minutes.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Improved:
Nate Davis
B.J. Raji
Brandon Spikes
Javon Ringer

Disappointing:
Brian Robiskie (sort of, the switch to Pryor hasn't been especially kind to him)
Courtney Green
William Moore (a little bit)
Phil LoadholtI cannot speak much for Nate Davis because I did not see him last year, but he is one of the hottest names out there right now. As for Raji, well he did not play last year because of academic reasons, but sure is playing great but he was playing great as a sophomore before last season also. Agreed with Spikes and Ringer, Spikes is having a huge year and Ringer really it is just because he is getting more carries, he was always a good back, now he is the man though.

Robiskie I totally agree, he was a really impressive prospect, now just looks average at best, not much improvement. And agree with Moore also, not having the same type of year as he did last year.



And the Andre Smith being a guard thing was a height issue, not a talent or play issue at all.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 07:51 PM
Wait, the two Penn State receivers who were more productive than Derrick Williams had disappointing seasons, but Williams had a good one? What the ****?

Deon Butler improved by 80 yards, over 3 yards per catch more, and had three more touchdowns.

Jordan Norwood improved by 121 yards, improved by 3.82 ypc more, and had the same amount of touchdowns.

Derrick Williams decreased his yardage by 78, improved his ypc by 1.5 yards, and had the same amount of TDs.

Explain, please.

STARHEATHER
11-24-2008, 07:52 PM
i dont know abot beat like dirty rug. orakpos a far above average player. they did score 35. every other game hes been pretty dominant.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 07:53 PM
i dont know abot beat like dirty rug. orakpos a far above average player. they did score 35. every other game hes been pretty dominant.

What does scoring 35 have to do with Loadholt not playing well?

STARHEATHER
11-24-2008, 07:57 PM
he is playing well. hes not disappointing. his stock has been up

SeanTaylorRIP
11-24-2008, 08:01 PM
Wait, the two Penn State receivers who were more productive than Derrick Williams had disappointing seasons, but Williams had a good one? What the ****?

Deon Butler improved by 80 yards, over 3 yards per catch more, and had three more touchdowns.

Jordan Norwood improved by 121 yards, improved by 3.82 ypc more, and had the same amount of touchdowns.

Derrick Williams decreased his yardage by 78, improved his ypc by 1.5 yards, and had the same amount of TDs.

Explain, please.

Exactly I was just about to say that. Butler did better than last year and became the leading receiver in Penn State history, while Norwood was very consistent this year when not hurt.

holt_bruce81
11-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Danario Alexander is coming back from a torn ACL, he had 2 knee surgeries this offseason. What did you expect?

Pokeys
11-24-2008, 08:05 PM
I don't think anyone would disagree with Cullen Harper. Alot of Texas players on your list :).

Most Improved I'll name a few

QB Nate Davis, Ball State
QB Graham Harrell, Texas Tech

RB Devin Moore, Wyoming
RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
RB Cedric Peerman, Virginia
RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh

WR Brennan Marion, Tulsa
WR Quan Cosby/Jordan Shipley, Texas
WR Darius Passmore, Marshall
WR Mohamed Massaquoi, Georgia
WR Manuel Johnson, Oklahoma
WR Brandon Tate, North Carolina

TE Shawn Nelson, Southern Miss

OT Jason Smith, Baylor
OT Jason Watkins, Florida
OT Dane Randolph, Maryland

OG Cedric Dockery, Texas
OG Curtis Crouch, North Carolina St
OG Anthony Parker, Tennessee

C Alex Mack, California
C Antoine Caldwell, Alabama

DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
DE Jamaal Westerman, Rutgers
DE Phillip Hunt, Houston
DE Cody Brown, Connecticut
DE George Selvie, South Florida

DT Vance Walker, Georgia Tech
DT Terrill Byrd, Cincinnati

OLB Clint Sintim, Virginia
OLB Sergio Kindle, Texas
OLB Kevin Akins, Boston College
OLB Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida
OLB Kenny Ingram, Florida State

MLB Antonio Appleby, Virginia

CB Brandon Underwood, Cincinnati
CB Joe Burnett, Central Florida
CB Jahi Word-Daniels, Georgia Tech
CB Darius Butler, Connecticut

S Derek Pegues, Mississippi St.
S Chris Clemons, Clemson
S Reshard Langford, Vanderbilt
S Eric Berry, Tennessee
S Troy Nolan, Arizona St.

Disappointing
QB Cullen Harper, Clemson
QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia
QB Nate Longshore, California lol?
QB Stephen McGee, Texas A&M
RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
RB Ian Johnson, Boise St.
RB James Davis, Clemson
RB Brandon Ore, West Liberty St.
WR Aaron Kelly, Clemson
WR Derrick Williams, Penn State
MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
MLB James Laurinits, Ohio State
CB Vontae Davis, Illinois

jared
11-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Disappointing
QB Rudy Carpenter, SR, ASU - he's no farther along as a QB than he was 3 years ago.

Came out of nowhere
DE Connor Barwin, SR, Cinncinati - total stud after playing TE the first 3 years of his career.

@Ozzy, I'm not sure how you consider Scirotto to be having a disappointing season. He has solid stats for the #4 defense in the country.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Wait, the two Penn State receivers who were more productive than Derrick Williams had disappointing seasons, but Williams had a good one? What the ****?

Deon Butler improved by 80 yards, over 3 yards per catch more, and had three more touchdowns.

Jordan Norwood improved by 121 yards, improved by 3.82 ypc more, and had the same amount of touchdowns.

Derrick Williams decreased his yardage by 78, improved his ypc by 1.5 yards, and had the same amount of TDs.

Explain, please.The games I watched both Butler and Norwood did not really show up at all. I am speaking mainly about Ohio State, a team with NFL quality corners all over the field. Norwood was a great route runner with solid hands, but honestly is not making the same plays he did before. As for Butler, I just have not seen him make game changing plays like he once did against top competition. Did I watch every game Penn State played? No, but from what I have seen I was not impressed at all. Both are undersized and pretty physically weak and have so so speed. Derrick Williams physically looks like a NFL prospect, impressed me with his ability to run the football and make plays as a return man. Sure statistics are one thing, but really they mean nothing when they get in the NFL. And if Norwood or Butler are better than Williams in the NFL, I would be shocked. I did not watch the games they had their best performances, so maybe that is it. But again, Ohio State clearly has NFL type corners, and both did not show up at all against them, that says something.


As for Scirotto, yes he is a decent player but showed a lot more promise making plays on the football in years previous. He is not some amazing tackler or big hitter, so if he is not a ball hawk safety, what is he? Not worth that high of pick, that is what.


Pokeys
Totally agree with Hunter and most others on that list. However Akins on BC is being totally outplayed by the other LB stars on BC, he is not even on the same level as those two. And Eric Berry I think he was just as good last year as this year, sure has improved but that was a given, the kid is a DB God in prospect terms. I was not that impressed with Jahi Word-Daniels, and hasn't he had injury issues this year? Did not seem him against Miami.

As for Knowshon Moreno, he is still a great RB, losing Trinton Sturdivant early in the year really hurt that OL, and that OL is not that talented without him. Sure Georgia was supposed to win the National Title this year, but cannot blame it on him. As for Stafford, totally disagree, sure the team has not had great success but is it not all Staffords fault, more possibly overrated of them after player so great to end last season.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 08:49 PM
holt_bruce81 Danario Alexander is coming back from a torn ACL, he had 2 knee surgeries this offseason. What did you expect?Very true, but still I expected more out of him considering his athletic potential, but maybe he lost that because of his injuries. Anyway, speaking of disappointing, Chase Daniel, great college QB but will be nothing more than a backup in the NFL. Good game manager and leader but wow he has a weak throwing arm.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 08:53 PM
Are you talking about the same Ohio State game where Derrick Williams had 3 catches for 13 yards? That's the game where Williams impressed you so much? Just making sure we're on the same page. Does it not concern you that Williams has one career 100 yard game (Temple), while Butler has five and Norwood has four?

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 08:56 PM
Enjoy your 5-10, 170 pound NFL receivers.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 08:57 PM
Enjoy your 5-10, 170 pound NFL receivers.

Fantastic argument after you've gotten your previous one ripped apart. I never said Norwood and Butler would make great NFL prospects. However, you're just pissed because I made you look ******** by pointing out how dumb your post was. A guy decreases his production and improves his stock? Yeah, about that.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-24-2008, 08:57 PM
Enjoy your 5-10, 170 pound NFL receivers.

But the thread is most improve and most disappointing. They have done nothing on the field to say they are disappointing. This isn't an over/underrated thread, this is most improved and disappointing. Off that basis I can't see how Williams has improved on the field while Butler and Norwood have regressed when that's clearly not factual.

Pokeys
11-24-2008, 09:00 PM
Production really doesn't mean much, maybe he got the WR's mixed up. Derrick Williams hasn't done jack though and I wouldn't want my Cowboys drafting him.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 09:01 PM
I stand by what I said, and still believe in terms of being NFL prospects, Williams is impressing me much more than Norwood or Butler have. In my point of view Norwood and Butler have not impressed and because of that have disappointed in what is their senior season. Not that big of statistical success, especially from such small receivers with average speed.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 09:02 PM
So you just like Derrick Williams because he can run a 4.3 40 and don't care that he can't actually do anything on the field?

Al Davis wants to hire you as a talent scout.

Pokeys
11-24-2008, 09:03 PM
So you just like Derrick Williams because he can run a 4.3 40 and don't care that he can't actually do anything on the field?

Al Davis wants to hire you as a talent scout.

My mom does too.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
So you just like Derrick Williams because he can run a 4.3 40 and don't care that he can't actually do anything on the field? Really? That is news to me, nice time, however I am not big on looking at unofficial 40 times, wait for the combine for that.

jth1331
11-24-2008, 09:22 PM
One name I'll throw out there is Demarco Murray. Last year I thought he was a solid back, still good prospect, but after this year, he has just brought that up to amazing. I would love to see him as a Denver Bronco next year.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 09:39 PM
One name I'll throw out there is Demarco Murray. Last year I thought he was a solid back, still good prospect, but after this year, he has just brought that up to amazing. I would love to see him as a Denver Bronco next year.Especially of late, he has really impressed, always had that potential but really can wow you with his break away ability. And yes I agree the Broncos absolutely must get a talented RB on that team once again. Forget this RB by committee bull they have been doing ever since Portis left. Never really thought of it, but yeah if he keeps playing this well has a huge game in the Big 12 title and the BCS possibly, he should go out and could be a very high selection.


Speaking of greatly improved sophomore players....



Navorro Bowman Penn State- what an improvement, could totally go out for the draft this year and maybe be a 1st day selection.

Javid Best Cal- was just a situational guy last year, kind of like ok he is a fast little return man, same old, but now is totally a legit RB and one of the best big play running backs in college football.

Aaron Maybin Penn State- last year was just a good quick pass rusher, now he is a dominating pass rusher and game changer who is far ahead of Evans who last year looked more talented than Maybin did.

Dez Bryant Oklahoma State- big time change, now is one of the best receivers in the nation hands down.

Ronald Johnson USC- very improved this year in terms of his playmaking on the field and will only get better.

Chris Culliver South Carolina- wow what a change, used to play receiver now he is a standout safety on a standout defensive unit.

Kareem Jackson Alabama- great quickness, much improving tackling.

Staubach12
11-24-2008, 09:54 PM
Enjoy your 5-10, 170 pound NFL receivers.

Unless he shrank over the course of the season, how can he disappoint you? You knew he was small to begin with...

draftguru151
11-24-2008, 10:01 PM
With how awful the senior QB class is this year I'd probably take Chris Crane out of the group. He started out rough but has improved over the season and definitely has the tools. I like Clint Sintim coming in but he has been dominant at times this year, same with Everette Brown. Ziggy hood is another guy who has really jumped up a lot. Most of the seniors have been disappointments.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 10:04 PM
Unless he shrank over the course of the season, how can he disappoint you? You knew he was small to begin with...He did shrink...haha Ok early on in their career it is like ok Norwood is a decent looking receiver runs good routes has nice hands. Butler shows some big play potential, but both have not really gotten stronger since they started, one assumes a natural build up of strength or quickness. Seriously to me they are about the same as they were as freshman or sophomores. That is what is disappointing, sure they put up slightly better "statistics", so what, they have not physically developed well.

People are defending these two players like they are LaVar Arrington, reincarnated, cut in half and moved to receiver.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 10:17 PM
Here are a few more extremely disappointing senior prospects:

Derek Kinder Pittsburgh- just not having a good season at all, injury must have done him in.

Mike Davis South Carolina- showed promise as a backup last year but is totally tanking as a starter, ok short yardage but that is about it

Jaison Williams Oregon- what a disappointment for such a physically big and strong receiver.

Tiquan Underwood Rutgers- might be the most disappointing, was great last season, came out of no where, now, wow is doing nothing.

Anthony Hill NC State- what a dog of a prospect

Luis Vasquez Arizona State- disappointing after showing great promise last year

Allen Langford Wisconsin- very disappointing after player great football early in his career

Dominic Jones formerly of Minnesota- king of the idiots, was a wonderful prospect, big time tackler and had to get in trouble with the law



Seniors who have improved and surprised.
Kory Sheets Purdue- despite a bad season for Purdue, Sheets actually has gotten better, small runner but runs hard and has good quickness and speed, decent late round prospect potentially.

Marcus Thigpen Indiana- real playmaker, amazing return man and has continued to improve and make big plays this season on a bad football team.

etk
11-24-2008, 10:30 PM
All the Senior QBs have disappointed. One by one they fell like dominoes.

Everette Brown is definitely one of the most improved this year. He's one of those athletes who lives up to the billing when expectations are raised.

Zyro_1014
11-24-2008, 10:38 PM
Ronald Johnson USC- very improved this year in terms of his playmaking on the field and will only get better.



Damn right, givin some love to an SC boy.

his big play ability is as good as anyones in the country

Sniper
11-24-2008, 10:39 PM
Damn right, givin some love to an SC boy.

his big play ability is as good as anyones in the country

Except Golden Tate. Golden Tate is ******* awesome.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 10:43 PM
etk All the Senior QBs have disappointed. One by one they fell like dominoes.Totally, even though it was never a strong class of senior QBs. I still like David Johnson, he has really came out of nowhere and is a real fine prospect.

Rudy Carpenter is ok, sure not great and not living up to the hype but I would not consider him a bad backup QB prospect potentially.

Tuitama, still just ehh nothing amazing, and Cantwell is slowly proving himself once he got the chance, just like Crane.

John Parker Wilson, even though he has a so so arm, has to be said he is playing well for the #1 team in the nation and that says something. I would not mind him as a 6th or 7th round pick.


And even with Cullen Harper having such a bad year, he still can throw the football, his mentality, leadership abilities and personality is really the problem.


Graham Harrell and Chase Daniel Missouri both are in the category of Danny Wuerffel to some degree, both are system guys who just get the ball into the hands of the playmakers, but do not have real good throwing arms. Harrell has impressed me a little though, but still he is nothing amazing in the end.


Then you have the athletic guys in Patrick Pinkney and Brian Johnson, two very solid players, great project QBs and could easily go anywhere 5th-7th depending on how they workout.

All of these guys either got benched or injured. What a way to end their senior season. I think Glennon has an outside shot though, and maybe Boeckman depending on how he works out.
Sean Glennon Virginia Tech*
Todd Boeckman Ohio State
Drew Weatherford Florida St.
Nate Longshore Cal
Ben Olson UCLA
Dustin Grutza Cincinnati

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-24-2008, 10:46 PM
Enjoy your 5-10, 170 pound NFL receivers.
DeSean hasn't had a bad rookie year.

Sniper
11-24-2008, 10:49 PM
DeSean hasn't had a bad rookie year.

I was SO wrong about him.

Ozzy
11-24-2008, 10:50 PM
DeSean hasn't had a bad rookie year.Speed. You can obviously be a small receiver if you are fast, if you are not, you have no chance. Speed is something Butler and Norwood both really do not have, Butler, ok speed but nothing to write home about and Norwood, I bet he runs one of the slowest receiver 40 times if he even gets invited to the combine.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-25-2008, 07:53 AM
Speed. You can obviously be a small receiver if you are fast, if you are not, you have no chance. Speed is something Butler and Norwood both really do not have, Butler, ok speed but nothing to write home about and Norwood, I bet he runs one of the slowest receiver 40 times if he even gets invited to the combine.
It's not about speed. It's about quickness. Wes Welker is arguably the best slot receiver in the NFL but ran a 4.60. With Norwood you can't just write him off because of size. We are looking at a slot wideout, and you can't ignore his natural route running ability and hands.

Ozzy
11-25-2008, 08:31 AM
It's not about speed. It's about quickness. Wes Welker is arguably the best slot receiver in the NFL but ran a 4.60. With Norwood you can't just write him off because of size. We are looking at a slot wideout, and you can't ignore his natural route running ability and hands.I agree with that, still disappointed in his play but maybe with how many receivers they have on that team, plus how often they use the screen game to the running backs, there was not enough balls to go around. Still if one is speaking of quick receivers, I would not put Norwood in that category personally. Wes is a great return man, and really that 40 time is not how fast he plays, he clearly plays fast and runs by people. Norwood could never return punts or kicks because he is simply too slow and not quick enough, he has never got that type of separation.

Sniper
11-25-2008, 08:45 AM
Wes Welker is not fast. He's quick, but he certainly is not fast.

CashmoneyDrew
11-25-2008, 12:41 PM
I was SO wrong about him.

I remember you ripping me a new one for giving him to the Eagles in one of my mock drafts. So...... nananana booboo. :P

Race for the Heisman
11-25-2008, 02:13 PM
Even though the conversation has moved away from him, I said Loadholt because last year he was being included in that top 10 pick category alongside Jake Long and Ryan Clady, whereas now he is definitively a right tackle and most likely a second round pick.

I don't know who he hasn't been mentioned yet, but Shonn Greene came from a situation where Iowa didn't look like they would be able to run the ball at all to borderline first round prospect. One or both may have been mentioned, but both Ndamukong Suh and Mark Herzlich have played very well, although both have said they will return for their senior seasons.

Terrance Taylor has really fallen hard. As someone else said, Chase Daniel went from 'eh, maybe a mid-round guy' to seventh/UDFA pretty quick. Marlon Lucky had the same kind of fall.

Ozzy
11-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Even though the conversation has moved away from him, I said Loadholt because last year he was being included in that top 10 pick category alongside Jake Long and Ryan Clady, whereas now he is definitively a right tackle and most likely a second round pick.

I don't know who he hasn't been mentioned yet, but Shonn Greene came from a situation where Iowa didn't look like they would be able to run the ball at all to borderline first round prospect. One or both may have been mentioned, but both Ndamukong Suh and Mark Herzlich have played very well, although both have said they will return for their senior seasons.

Terrance Taylor has really fallen hard. As someone else said, Chase Daniel went from 'eh, maybe a mid-round guy' to seventh/UDFA pretty quick. Marlon Lucky had the same kind of fall.Loadholt, sure he has not lived up to the hype but then again maybe being surrounded by so many other great offensive linemen, he kind of gets lost in the mix. If you put him on UCLA at OT he would get a lot more attention and hype, hypothetically.

I agree with Greene, he really came out of nowhere, just a real bull of a running back. He does have a great offensive line in front of him though, and really I am not all that impressed with his speed. But as a every down back that can carry the football and be a tough guy, he is right up there with anyone.

I agree Lucky, he has been playing bad but then again I remember last year some people thought he was a good back, but I never really saw much in him. Never that quick, not that powerful, and very inconsistent.

jbooshey
11-25-2008, 08:36 PM
Here are a few more extremely disappointing senior prospects

Allen Langford Wisconsin- very disappointing after player great football early in his career



Sorry Ozzy...as much as I ripped Langford the last year...he had his best year this year and might have gotten himself back on the late round radar. He was voted 1st team or 2nd team all Big 10 (depending on if you ask the media or coaches). Hard to be a disappointment when you receive that praise when you previously didn't.

etk
11-25-2008, 10:25 PM
I was SO wrong about him.

It's all in the offense. There's a reason he dropped so far....because only Philly and maybe 2 other teams can utilize him effectively. Not to take away from his talent, but the offense just plays to his strengths. The pre-draft concerns are still valid if he played for a team like Minnesota or New York (either), etc.

I still like Chase Daniel, btw. I'll take a short QB with talent over the ragtag team of Cantthrows and Longsucks.

SuperKevin
11-26-2008, 01:07 AM
Any list of disappointing seasons has to start and end with Washington State's WR Brandon Gibson. Led the Pac 10 in recieving yards last year as a junior with 1100+ and had 9 TDs. This year he has just over 600 yards and only 2 touchdowns. A lot of it has to do with the disgusting QB situation in Pullman. Luckily he still got invited to the Senior Bowl and he can rebuild his stock.

Ozzy
11-26-2008, 09:10 AM
It's all in the offense. There's a reason he dropped so far....because only Philly and maybe 2 other teams can utilize him effectively. Not to take away from his talent, but the offense just plays to his strengths. The pre-draft concerns are still valid if he played for a team like Minnesota or New York (either), etc.Personally I bet he feel because Ginn had such a bad rookie year. However, thankfully Ginn is playing pretty good football and making big plays, which was what he was supposed to do. And so is Jackson, making big plays with his speed and being hard to tackle in the open field.



Sorry Ozzy...as much as I ripped Langford the last year...he had his best year this year and might have gotten himself back on the late round radar. He was voted 1st team or 2nd team all Big 10 (depending on if you ask the media or coaches). Hard to be a disappointment when you receive that praise when you previously didn't.Really? So he beat out Jenkins or V. Davis for 1st team All Big Ten? That is totally BS. I would say that has to do more with the fact there are not many good corners in the Big Ten, or at least all the good corners are on Ohio State. Not the fact he is so much better. Still I thought he could have become a much better player.

keylime_5
11-26-2008, 09:50 AM
Jamario O'Neal? Why has he been on people's draft discussions at safety the past couple years, he hasn't even gotten in the game at safety since 2006 and I'll tell you now it's not due to injury or misconduct. He started in 2006 when Anderson Russell got hurt, did terrible, and has never seen the field since except for on special teams. Kurt Coleman, Anderson Russell, Aaron Gant, Jermale Hines, and others are higher on the depth chart and have been than O'Neal. I don't see how you can be a disappointing draft prospect when you were at most expected to be 3rd or 4th string safety.

Cigaro
11-26-2008, 09:53 AM
Shonn Greene easily has to be one of the most improved, if not the most improved.

Ozzy
11-26-2008, 09:55 AM
Jamario O'Neal? Why has he been on people's draft discussions at safety the past couple years, he hasn't even gotten in the game at safety since 2006 and I'll tell you now it's not due to injury or misconduct. He started in 2006 when Anderson Russell got hurt, did terrible, and has never seen the field since except for on special teams. Kurt Coleman, Anderson Russell, Aaron Gant, Jermale Hines, and others are higher on the depth chart and have been than O'Neal. I don't see how you can be a disappointing draft prospect when you were at most expected to be 3rd or 4th string safety.Because the kid showed flashes of potential as a young player. However yes he is totally benched by much better players right now. Hines is the young stud now on Ohio State, and Coleman has playing just wonderful. He is disappointing because I thought he had more potential than this, and like you said just the fact he cannot get on the field says everything.

Sniper
11-26-2008, 10:17 AM
Really? So he beat out Jenkins or V. Davis for 1st team All Big Ten? That is totally BS. I would say that has to do more with the fact there are not many good corners in the Big Ten, or at least all the good corners are on Ohio State. Not the fact he is so much better. Still I thought he could have become a much better player.

No, he didn't. The Big 10 picks four defensive backs, not two corners and two safeties.

Not many good corners in the Big 10? Malcolm Jenkins, Vontae Davis, Donovan Warren, Donald Washington, Traye Simmons etc...

keylime_5
11-26-2008, 10:40 AM
Because the kid showed flashes of potential as a young player. However yes he is totally benched by much better players right now. Hines is the young stud now on Ohio State, and Coleman has playing just wonderful. He is disappointing because I thought he had more potential than this, and like you said just the fact he cannot get on the field says everything.

I don't think he ever showed any flash - he was a 5 star who started as a sophomore and looked awful, and was benched the next spring beaten out by two sophomores who had very little experience. The only reason anyone ever mentioned him is b/c he was a 5 star who started as a sophomore. Our safeties were either bad or young or hurt in 2006 which is why he got on the field in the first place.

Ozzy
11-26-2008, 12:18 PM
Carson Butler and Greg Matthews of Michigan. Wow Butler has fallen off the map, such a promising looking tight end and now, nothing. Then you have Matthews who is a lot better than what he has shown, just not the right offense for him.

Sniper
11-26-2008, 02:19 PM
Carson Butler and Greg Matthews of Michigan. Wow Butler has fallen off the map, such a promising looking tight end and now, nothing. Then you have Matthews who is a lot better than what he has shown, just not the right offense for him.

Rumors are Butler's entering the draft, mainly just so he can get out of the school. He sucks. Can't block, can't catch. Just a real athletic kid.

Mathews improved his numbers from last year with a QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. His YPC went up over two yards. Almost outperformed everyone's boy, Derrick Williams, despite a worse OL, QB, RB and pretty much everything.