Saints Offseason Thread

[diabsoule]

Speaking of geriatrics, what would you say about the Saints targeting WR David Patten, formerly of New England and Washington?

Also, it seems that former Saints wide receiver Az Hakim is off the market, as he was signed by the Dolphins to a one-year deal.

So now it seems that the bigger names that are still available are Bobby Engram, David Patten, Corey Bradford, Antonio Bryant, and yes, Keenan McCardell.

Any one really jump out at you (besides TPFKA#1SaintsFan's man-crush on McCardell :rolleyes:)?

The names jump out at me in the fact that they used to names related to consistency but now are either inconsistent or are extremely aging veterans that still yearn to play in the league.

I still think Eric Moulds should be the guy we go after. He'd be a great #2 with Colsten as #1, but it looks like we won't sign anyone else in FA after acquiring Olindo Mare. It's kind of ashame since Ian Scott is still on the market.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Nice deal for the Saints. Carney is retiring, and Mare is better than any of our other options (Vanderjagt or a late round rookie).

We probably would have had to draft Crosby with our second rounder in order to get him. A kicker is just not worth a pick that high.

I completely disagree. Olindo Mare is not the kicker he was years ago, when he was automatic for the Dolphins. His accuracy and range has decreased over the last few years and he's no Spring chicken, either.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I completely disagree. Olindo Mare is not the kicker he was years ago, when he was automatic for the Dolphins. His accuracy and range has decreased over the last few years and he's no Spring chicken, either.

You, disagree with me? No f'n way! Who saw that coming?

Mare IS a spring chicken when compared to Carney. He's 10 years younger than Carney. He's also a 10 year vet, which, for a kicker, is probably equivalent to a 5 year veteran position player. He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL, so I don't know how you could say his range has decreased, and I believe he was the best on kickoffs in the league as well, which means we won't have to waste another roster spot on a guy just for kickoffs. He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.

[Auron]

He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.

Also I think we have to keep in mind half of Mare's misses last year came from 50 yards and beyond. So he was attempting some very low percentage kicks.

Some Dolphin fans have told me Mare's biggest problem was kicking from the Infield Dirt in Dolphin Stadium they have during baseball season. Kicking in a Dome on artificial turf should prolong his career by a few more years, and yes he led the league in Touchbacks last year with 24.

[jagsfreak27]

He is a solid kicker I think he will do you guys a lot of good.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

You, disagree with me? No f'n way! Who saw that coming?

Mare IS a spring chicken when compared to Carney. He's 10 years younger than Carney. He's also a 10 year vet, which, for a kicker, is probably equivalent to a 5 year veteran position player. He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL, so I don't know how you could say his range has decreased, and I believe he was the best on kickoffs in the league as well, which means we won't have to waste another roster spot on a guy just for kickoffs. He did struggle at the beginning of last year, but finished up very strong. I suppose you're basing the whole "his accuracy has decreased" just from looking at his FG% last year. Eh... whatever. He's a guy who can be relied on to make the 50 yard FG AND handle kickoff duties, neither of which could be said of Carney. I don't know who you had in mind, but I would greatly prefer Mare over Vanderjagt or a late round rookie.

And the fact that you would actually react to what I said was a shocker to me... :rolleyes:

Look, all I'm saying is that I didn't think that the Saints needed to trade a sixth-round selection for Mare.

First of all, Mare is thirty-three years old and has been in the league for 10 years now. I realize that this is nothing in comparison to the 42-year-old Carney, but he's still not that young.

As for the fact that his accuracy and range has decreased... here are the straight forward facts:
(per NFL.com and ESPN.com)

In 2006, (last season) Mare attempted 36 field goals. And missed 10 of them. While he was perfect from inside 29 yards (10 for 10), he missed four field goals between 40 and 49 yards, and missed all but one of his attempts from more than fifty yards. Also, he had two field goals blocked, the most ever for his career.

Compare this to just three seasons ago (2003), when he was 22 for 29, including being almost 72 percent on field goals longer than 39 yards.

It does seem that he did do well in the end of the season, but again, looking a little deeper at the stats, the best performance was in his last game, when he made five field goals against the Colts. Other than that, he wasn't all that consistent, going less than fifty percent in six games, and not attempting field goals in a game against Buffalo.

Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.

[Auron]

Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.

I think it will turn out to be an ok move in the end, as you stated his best game of the year came inside the RCA Dome, so that leads me to believe he'll fare much better indoors with us.

I agree that the decreased accuracy is a bit of a concern, but it may just have been a down year for him. A lot of times teams panic after a player has one bad year.

I believe the biggest difference we'll notice will be on kickoffs. Where now we finally have a guy that consistently kick off past the 20 yard line, so we're not conceding field position, our Defense is going to need as much help as it can get, and now we don't have to devote 2 entire roster spots to a kicker.

[diabsoule]

I think it will turn out to be an ok move in the end, as you stated his best game of the year came inside the RCA Dome, so that leads me to believe he'll fare much better indoors with us.

I agree that the decreased accuracy is a bit of a concern, but it may just have been a down year for him. A lot of times teams panic after a player has one bad year.

I believe the biggest difference we'll notice will be on kickoffs. Where now we finally have a guy that consistently kick off past the 20 yard line, so we're not conceding field position, our Defense is going to need as much help as it can get, and now we don't have to devote 2 entire roster spots to a kicker.

This is another gamble taken by Sean Payton and the Saint's Front Office. The gamble may pay off, like it did with Scott Fujita and Scott Shanle last year, or it could be like the gamble they took on Mark Simoneau, someone who comes in and does just enough not to be overtaken by someone who is on the second team.

For the Saints sake, and for my own, I hope the gamble will pay off, just as I hope the gamble pays off with Eric Johnson. One thing we do have to keep into consideration is that Mare played in the AFC East where a lot of teams play in terrible kicking weather. Carney's career was prolonged when we brought him here from San Diego and I am sure it will do the same with Mare's.

We still may draft a kicker in the late rounds as someone like Justin Medlock or Nick Folk may be there. One good thing is that the Saints have quite a bit of drafts picks and not that many positions on the field where we need immediate help so giving up a 6th Rounder for a player who can still turn his career around is not too risky. It is borderline risky, in my opinion, but as I said earlier, we will see if this gamble pays off.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

And the fact that you would actually react to what I said was a shocker to me... :rolleyes:

Look, all I'm saying is that I didn't think that the Saints needed to trade a sixth-round selection for Mare.

First of all, Mare is thirty-three years old and has been in the league for 10 years now. I realize that this is nothing in comparison to the 42-year-old Carney, but he's still not that young.

As for the fact that his accuracy and range has decreased... here are the straight forward facts:
(per NFL.com and ESPN.com)

In 2006, (last season) Mare attempted 36 field goals. And missed 10 of them. While he was perfect from inside 29 yards (10 for 10), he missed four field goals between 40 and 49 yards, and missed all but one of his attempts from more than fifty yards. Also, he had two field goals blocked, the most ever for his career.

Compare this to just three seasons ago (2003), when he was 22 for 29, including being almost 72 percent on field goals longer than 39 yards.

It does seem that he did do well in the end of the season, but again, looking a little deeper at the stats, the best performance was in his last game, when he made five field goals against the Colts. Other than that, he wasn't all that consistent, going less than fifty percent in six games, and not attempting field goals in a game against Buffalo.

Again, these are facts. Personally, I will say I would have preferred if the Saints would have drafted a kicker in the later rounds but as it is, I hope that Mare can resurrect his career with the Saints. As Auron pointed out, part of the problem could be the infield dirt at Dolphins Stadium, so maybe moving indoors would be a good thing.

Well, you could have just as easily replied to or acknowledged anybody else that agreed with my stance, but whatever.

If you're going to talk about "facts," let's look at the whole spectrum. Comparing just two seasons out of Mare's 10 automatically loses any credibility your argument might have had with me. Let's look at his entire career, shall we?

1997-2005:
FG 20-29 yds: 82-88 (93.2%)
FG 30-39 yds: 67-78 (85.9%)
FG 40-49 yds: 53-73 (72.6%)
FG 50+ yds: 13-24 (54.2%)

2006:
FG 20-29 yds: 10-10 (100.0%)
FG 30-39 yds: 6-8 (75.0%)
FG 40-49 yds: 9-12 (75.0%)
FG 50+ yds: 1-6 (16.7%)

As you can clearly see, the category that jumps out as the major drop-off is 50+ yard FGs. His percentage from 40-49 was actually a little better than his career average, so the 50+ yard attempts are definitely what brought his overall percentage down... but this is where it gets tricky. While I am in no way trying to imply that Mare didn't perform poorly from 50+, there was only ONE other season over the span of his entire career in which he attempted that many FGs from that distance. You already know what year that was, Dome Patrol. I know you only chose 2003 because it would support your argument, and yes, he DID make a career best 4-6 from 50+. But overall, 2003 was also (statistically) one of Mare's worst seasons in the league. His 40-49 yard percentage was the same as it was in 2006, 75%, but he only made 3 out of 6 from 30-39 yards, a career low 50%. His overall percentage in 2003 was the third worst of his career. I find it oh so very ironic that you'd pick his third worst season in the league to compare against his worst season in the league, and use that comparison to show me how his skills have declined from then to now. He was not good in 2003, and he was not good in 2006.

One of his 50+ yarders this past season would have been his career long had he made it, so I'd say he was more like 1-5. Anyway, that's still not very good, is it? Take away his career low 1-6 (2006) and his career high 4-6 (2003). Without those two seasons, his career percentage from 50+ yards is 50%. Now add them both back to his career stats, and his career percentage is still right at 50%. There is no evidence to suggest that last year wasn't just a bad season for him from 50+, just as 2003 was an extremely good season for him from 50+.

He's still got one of the strongest legs in the NFL. You can't say that his leg strength has decreased just from looking at some field goal percentage stats. That's like saying a QB doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL because his completion percentage is too low. It makes no sense. Watch him kick. That thing is a cannon.

Mare gives us a much better chance to hit the 50+ yarder than John Carney ever did (hell, they wouldn't even let Carney try the last few years). He also brings the best leg in the NFL on kickoffs to a team that had to waste a roster spot on a kicker just to handle those duties last season. And for a 6th round pick? We had two 6th round picks last year, neither played a down, and neither is even with the team anymore. I really don't understand how a couple of you Saints fans think, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

[Auron]

I'm looking for a link, but it's being posted on other Saints boards that the Saints are hosting Free agents Ralph Brown (CB), Jack Brewer (DB), and Orlando Huff. (LB)

Adam Schefter is reporting FA Cornerback Tory James is deciding between the Saints, Patriots, Packers, and Raiders.

[BiggerFoot]

alot of people tend to forget, but the Saints had a fieldgoal attempt to try and take the lead against the bears in the championship game, but the miss totally sent to momentum the other way. I think he was worth a 6th round pick, it can't really hurt us too much

[504 to ATL]

I have seen this also, but the only notable one in my opinion would be Tory James. The others could add depth sure, but not be significant players or even improvements.

[Saints67]

Saints signed Troy Evans (MLB, Texans), per NFL-Network crawler....

he is a ST guy and will most likely take Melton's former spot...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235373

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Saints signed Troy Evans (MLB, Texans), per NFL-Network crawler....

he is a ST guy and will most likely take Melton's former spot...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235373

Link? Any sources? :confused:

[Saints67]

Link? Any sources? :confused:

i stated per NFL-Network crawler as a source...here is another 1....

http://rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

look towards the bottom.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

i stated per NFL-Network crawler as a source...here is another 1....

http://rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

look towards the bottom.

Yeah, I see it. Eh, I don't know what to say. He doesn't seem to be anything more than a special teamer.

[Flyboy]

That's pretty much all he is. To replace Melton or Danny Clark for special teams. There are conflicting reports that Tory James (CB of the Bengals) is close to signing with us, though. We'll see.

[Auron]

The Saints have signed Free agent WR, David Patten. Link (http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/04/saints_sign_david_patten.html)

It's also on KFFL.
Saints | Team signs Patten
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:11:45 -0700

The NFL Network reports the New Orleans Saints signed free-agent WR David Patten (Redskins). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


1 year deal, it's not bad. He brings veteran leadership to a young position spot on our team, I expect him to be the 4th WR, and a contributor on special teams.

[TigerBait45]

Does this mean drafting a WR early in the draft is out of the question? I didn't really think we needed to draft one early to begin with considering the weakness' of the defense.

Scott's new mock has us taking Sidney Rice in the second, which I wouldn't mind at all if he was the best player left on the board. Otherwise we should probably go DT or Linebacker in some order in the 2nd and 3rd.

[504 to ATL]

Scott's Draft is nearly perfect in my opinion. That would be an incredible draft if all those pieces fell that way.

But Auron who do you have as the third ahead of Patten?

[Auron]

Does this mean drafting a WR early in the draft is out of the question? I didn't really think we needed to draft one early to begin with considering the weakness' of the defense.

Scott's new mock has us taking Sidney Rice in the second, which I wouldn't mind at all if he was the best player left on the board. Otherwise we should probably go DT or Linebacker in some order in the 2nd and 3rd.
I don't think drafting a WR is entirely out of the equation.. just because of the Patten signing.

If there is great value staring us right in the face.. like a Bowe, Ginn in rd.1 or a Smith, Davis, Rice.. in rd.2; I think the Saints will think long and hard about it, depending on how they have them graded out.

On a separate note, Patten is a guy who has 3 Super Bowl rings from his time with the Patriots, and he's made some clutch catches in the playoffs, even if he doesn't see the field much I think he'll mentor the young guys well.

[Sveen]

Adding depth and a veteran presence to an impressive but young receiving corps, the New Orleans Saints signed free agent wide receiver David Patten to a one-year contract Thursday. Patten, a 10-year NFL veteran, brings experience - and winning experience at that - to a passing attack that was tops in the league in 2006.

Source: http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3396

[Auron]

Scott's Draft is nearly perfect in my opinion. That would be an incredible draft if all those pieces fell that way.

But Auron who do you have as the third ahead of Patten?

I think depth chart wise speaking..that Henderson, and Copper will be ahead of him.

but he'll definitely see the field either way. Payton is a very diverse play caller, who uses multiple formations.

[Auron]

Well like I posted in the FA thread, can't hurt to bring in some experience at the position. Especially experience that has 3 Super Bowl rings. I believe he'll serve as a good mentor for the younger receivers.

I'm thinking he'll be #3/#4 WR, and can definitely contribute on special teams.

[Saints67]

'Indianapolis restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David is visiting the New Orleans Saints.'


source: http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492921


since he is a RFA, we would have to give compensation...and that would be a 4th round pick. but he would be a upgrade to our CB corp and possibly start.

[IndyColtScout]

The Saints have what 3 or 4 4th round picks? David is a very above average CB. He is undersized, but he is so consistant. You know what you will get from him every week. A solid #2 CB who can shut down probably 80% of the leagues #2 WR's. Not a great tackler, but enough to get the job done.

He sounds like the type of guy the Saints need and for the price of a 4th rounder, I'de go as far to say that this deal is a lock.

[Auron]

The Saints have what 3 or 4 4th round picks? David is a very above average CB. He is undersized, but he is so consistant. You know what you will get from him every week. A solid #2 CB who can shut down probably 80% of the leagues #2 WR's. Not a great tackler, but enough to get the job done.

He sounds like the type of guy the Saints need and for the price of a 4th rounder, I'de go as far to say that this deal is a lock.

Yea we have 3 fourth rounders, from your description David seems like exactly the type of guy we need. Solid cover guy, who won't give up the big play.

I would not mind giving up a 4th at all, however I think if we make an offer Indy will match as they seem to have already lost Nick Harper I would imagine they wouldn't want to lose another Corner this off-season.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I would not be against this move at all. One of our three 4th round picks would not be a very big price to land a pretty solid corner.

[IndyColtScout]

Yea we have 3 fourth rounders, from your description David seems like exactly the type of guy we need. Solid cover guy, who won't give up the big play.

I would not mind giving up a 4th at all, however I think if we make an offer Indy will match as they seem to have already lost Nick Harper I would imagine they wouldn't want to lose another Corner this off-season.

Colts won't match. Hayden & Jackson are ready to start. Jennings is going to be getting more PT too. David was going to be let go next off season anyways, so if the Colts get a 4th for a guy who would be a UFA, I think that's a win. It's a win for the Saints because you will get a solid #2 for a reasonable price, at the cost of pennies (considering how many picks you got).

[Saints67]

Colts won't match. Hayden & Jackson are ready to start. Jennings is going to be getting more PT too. David was going to be let go next off season anyways, so if the Colts get a 4th for a guy who would be a UFA, I think that's a win. It's a win for the Saints because you will get a solid #2 for a reasonable price, at the cost of pennies (considering how many picks you got).

are you really a scout, for the Colts?

and you really do think..if the Saints sign him...yall's won't match?

[Auron]

Colts won't match. Hayden & Jackson are ready to start. Jennings is going to be getting more PT too. David was going to be let go next off season anyways, so if the Colts get a 4th for a guy who would be a UFA, I think that's a win. It's a win for the Saints because you will get a solid #2 for a reasonable price, at the cost of pennies (considering how many picks you got).

Interesting.. didn't know about all the young guys you had in the wings.

I hope to see an offer made soon. We need all the corner help we can get.

[Flyboy]

Word has it that we might be close to signing Jason David (CB from Colts) to an offer sheet.

[Saints67]

Word has it that we might be close to signing Jason David (CB from Colts) to an offer sheet.

source?

also David met with the Saints today (per NOLA.com)...and that article from ESPN stated that 'we are serious about David'.

[Flyboy]

I suppose close to signing him to an offer sheet was a bit premature, but yeah... basically what you said.

[diabsoule]

I would love for the Saints to grab him even if it means giving up a 4th Rounder. I actually had the Saints getting David in the last forum mock.

[Sveen]

Saints signed TE Calen Powell to a two-year contract.

Source: Rotoworld.com

[Saints Dome Patrol]

I would love for the Saints to grab him even if it means giving up a 4th Rounder. I actually had the Saints getting David in the last forum mock.

I agree, especially since we have three fourth rounders.

If we were able to sign Jason David, then I think it could change the direction we go in the Draft in less than two weeks.

If we get David, do we still target a cornerback with our first rounder, or does it become a "best player available" situation?

[Sveen]

If we sign Jason David I think we would take the best CB, LB, TE, WR or DT available.

[corporaten45]

I don't know if I really like David guys, he is a complete mismatch waiting to happen. He is 5'7 / 5'8 and 175 pounds. That is too small to be a "solid" corner for us. It almost seems a waste of our 4th rounder. He'll be a mismatch against almost every WR and pretty much [from what i've read] won't be able to help us out much against the run either. In my opinion we should pursue other corners if we're looking for anymore free agents or just find a prospect CB in the draft. In the draft I'm going to be crossing my fingers for Chris Houston/Aaron Ross

[diabsoule]

I don't know if I really like David guys, he is a complete mismatch waiting to happen. He is 5'7 / 5'8 and 175 pounds. That is too small to be a "solid" corner for us. It almost seems a waste of our 4th rounder. He'll be a mismatch against almost every WR and pretty much [from what i've read] won't be able to help us out much against the run either. In my opinion we should pursue other corners if we're looking for anymore free agents or just find a prospect CB in the draft. In the draft I'm going to be crossing my fingers for Chris Houston/Aaron Ross

He is undersized and that was a reason for him dropping to the fourth round during the year he was drafted, however, he has panned out nicely for Indianapolis. He is their starting #2 cornerback and has played very well for them. I think he could come in and do the same for us and if not then he would be an extremely valuable nickel guy.

[SuperKevin]

Jason David is the name of my twin brother.

[TigerBait45]

Neat.

Hes worth one of our 3 4th round picks if nothing else. Hes done a good job for Indy, and we desperately need corner help.

Its a good insurance policy in case we can't get one of the 4 first round corner prospects this year.

[Jay]

I have great memories of David Patten. He can never stay healthy, but when he could, he was such a solid deep guy.

[diabsoule]

I agree, especially since we have three fourth rounders.

If we were able to sign Jason David, then I think it could change the direction we go in the Draft in less than two weeks.

If we get David, do we still target a cornerback with our first rounder, or does it become a "best player available" situation?

I think if we sign David, then it becomes BPA with our first round selection as David would feel a big need at CB.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I don't know if I really like David guys, he is a complete mismatch waiting to happen. He is 5'7 / 5'8 and 175 pounds. That is too small to be a "solid" corner for us. It almost seems a waste of our 4th rounder. He'll be a mismatch against almost every WR and pretty much [from what i've read] won't be able to help us out much against the run either. In my opinion we should pursue other corners if we're looking for anymore free agents or just find a prospect CB in the draft. In the draft I'm going to be crossing my fingers for Chris Houston/Aaron Ross

Fred Thomas, as terrible as he's been recently, was at one time a very solid corner for us. He's only 5'9".

[Sveen]

The Saints began contract negotiations with restricted free agent cornerback Jason David over the weekend.
If David signs an offer sheet, the deal could contain a "poison pill" that would make the contract frontloaded. The Saints have three fourth-round picks and would forfeit one if Indianapolis fails to match the proposal. David is expected to command a similar deal to the one Rod Hood got.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/Saints-pursue-Colts-RFA-CB-David?urn=nfl,29489

[504 to ATL]

No one made mention of the saints picking up Trev Faulk?

Ex LSU linebacker. Suddenly listed on the roster yesterday.

[TigerBait45]

I didn't even know.

He started for Arizona a few years ago. Should be at least a solid backup.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I didn't even know.

He started for Arizona a few years ago. Should be at least a solid backup.

I really don't think he ever started for Arizona. Anyway, he'll be a solid backup AT MOST, not at least. I'd be willing to bet that either Faulk or Alfred Fincher will get cut at some point before the season starts, maybe both. I liked the guy at LSU, but let's face it... he's a career backup, and I don't think he was even in the league last year. Maybe he'll play on the practice squad...

[Auron]

Yea I'm not expecting much from Faulk, adds another guy for competition in camp. If he makes the cuts he will provide depth, and contribute on special teams most probably.

[TigerBait45]

Hm. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else then.

[Auron]

Hm. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else then.


NFL.com - Trev Faulk Player Page (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/303249)

Started his first year in Arizona didn't get playing time, spent the next 3 years playing for the Rams, put up reasonable numbers.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Any updates? He still hasn't signed an offer sheet, huh?

[Saints Dome Patrol]

Personally, in my opinion, the Trev Faulk signing is just to add more depth at the linebacker position, but I really don't see him contributing all that much, except maybe on special teams.

As for Jason David, if we were to sign him, I still think that the Saints would need to draft a cornerback. Maybe not in the first round, but the need for a true, man-to-man cornerback would still be there, since we're all quite aware, Fred Thomas should not even be a starter anywhere.

[Flyboy]

Attempting to address their biggest need before next weekend's draft, the New Orleans Saints reached agreement Thursday morning with Indianapolis' restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David on a four-year offer sheet.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

[TigerBait45]

Well we've got 7 days to see if Indy decides to keep Jason David.

I'd still like to see us take a corner in the 1st if someone like Chris Houston is around, but now I can defintely see us going the DT or WR route.

Or maybe Timmons, Beason or Poz. Our 1st round just got a whole lot harder to predict.

[Flyboy]

Well it definitely puts us in the position to draft the BPA.

[diabsoule]

I think if Paul Posluszny is there, it is going to be extremely difficult for us to pass on him. He is someone who could be the center and leader of a defense for a long time. I can see that esp. if the top cornerback's are taken already.

[Auron]

Well we've got 7 days to see if Indy decides to keep Jason David.


Just got in and read the news of the Saints signing David to an offer sheet.

It's reported that the deal is front loaded, in a way that would make it difficult for Indy to match.

should be quite an anxious week leading up to the Draft, and awaiting Indy's move.

[Sveen]

Hopefully the Colts don't match :)

[diabsoule]

I am hoping that the Colts don't match as well. David would be an instant upgrade over Thomas and would put us in a position to go BPA with our pick whether it is another DB like Chris Houston or Aaron Ross or possibly someone like Paul Posluzny, Dwayne Bowe, Dwayne Jarret, or even Justin Blalock.

[TigerBait45]

Yeah, I think they'll probably let him go. Marlin Jackson and that other guy (can't remember his name) are ready to play, so hes kinda expendable I suppose.

[Saints Dome Patrol]

It's official... as per NFL.com's Adam Schefter's report:

Thursday, April 26
The Indianapolis Colts opted not to match the four-year, $15.7 million offer sheet that restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David signed last week with the New Orleans Saints. The Saints now get David and the Colts get one of New Orleans' three fourth-round picks.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Who's excited? This guy! :D

[diabsoule]

It's official... as per NFL.com's Adam Schefter's report:

Thursday, April 26
The Indianapolis Colts opted not to match the four-year, $15.7 million offer sheet that restricted free-agent cornerback Jason David signed last week with the New Orleans Saints. The Saints now get David and the Colts get one of New Orleans' three fourth-round picks.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

Who's excited? This guy! :D

I'm very happy that we have finally landed a player who can be the cornerback that we've been needing for years. I think with this signing it now puts us in a situation to draft BPA.

[TigerBait45]

I still think we could use a corner early in the draft. Maybe McCauley in the second if hes around, just to push Fred Thomas off of the field altogether.

[Geo]

Just heard on ESPN Radio that the Saints and Charles Grant have come to a long-term extension. More good news for Saints fans.

[Auron]

Like the David signing, because it addresses a huge need spot. David is a young corner only 24 years old, who was a 3 year starter (I believe) for the Colts.

He may not be an elite player, but at least we add a solid cover guy. He has good quickness, and the speed to keep up with receivers down field... 4.47 in the 40. His campus workout was in the high 4.3 range but you know how campus workouts are. He's pretty quick. 3.93 in the short shuttle.

This move also gives us great flexibility in the Draft tomorrow, to take the best available players

[Flyboy]

Just heard on ESPN Radio that the Saints and Charles Grant have come to a long-term extension. More good news for Saints fans.

7-years/$63M

I shudder to think what Will Smith is going to want to command.

[Auron]

Glad we got that ordeal out of the way. Does seem like we overpaid a bit but Grant right now is a key part of the Defense, doesn't seem that bad when compared to the other over inflated contracts given out in Free agency so far.

Hopefully we won't have an issue when it comes time to re-up Smith, overall cap space should be increased again next year.

[Flyboy]

ay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 5 minutes ago

The New Orleans Saints will have about four hours to kill before making their first selection in Saturday's draft, but that didn't stop them from making a move Thursday.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Saints and defensive end Charles Grant have agreed to a seven-year deal that includes a whopping $20 million in guaranteed money.

The Saints had made Grant their franchise player this off-season, but that tag comes off with the new contract.

Grant had 62 tackles for New Orleans in 2006 to go along with six sacks and three forced fumbles. He also had five passes defensed.

The Georgia grad, who is entering his sixth season in the league, made just under $650,000 last year.

There's a link.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6742422?MSNHPHMA

[GeauxSaints]

with the signing of david, does this change how we rank our team needs?

i love the signing, but i still think we have to go CB in the first round.

clearly is willis avaiable we would take him. assuming we have houston, harrell, or puz to choose from, who would yall take?

also, somebody had mentioned earlier that if olsen was avaiable we should take him. before signing david i didnt agree, but now i do.

i really like how payton addresses the biggest needs prior to the draft, it opens up the possiabilites on draft day.

[TigerBait45]

Yeah, I think Olsen is probably number 1 on the board right now. Puz would be nice too.

I don't really expect one of those 4 corners to be around at 27, so I think its between Harrell, Olsen (if hes around) or a linebacker (Timmons? Puz?)

[GeauxSaints]

this is turning into a "draft post" but i will leave it here so everybody can keep up.

i think there is a good chance that some good offensive players will fall. i think there is a strong possibility either Jarrett, Smith, or Rice will fall to us in the second.

[Auron]

The off-season moves have shaped up for the team to take the Best Available Players when they pick. The Saints will let the Draft come to them, instead of reach for certain positions.

[TigerBait45]

Yeah, thats true.

I wouldn't be shocked if it were Bowe or Meachem. This is the first time in a while that the Saints are able to just draft the best player on the board..it feels weird.

[Auron]

Q & A article from the Saints (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3415) official website with the newest Saint, CB Jason David.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5624/jasondavidmo2.png

NewOrleansSaints.com caught up with the newest member of the Black & Gold, cornerback Jason David. David, who had been a restricted free agent of the Indianapolis Colts, signed an offer sheet with the Saints last Thursday and officially became a member of the team when the Colts declined to match the contract terms to bring the defensive back to Louisiana.

The following is a recap of the Q&A session with David as he talked about starting this new chapter of his career:

New Orleans Saints.com: How does it feel to be a member of the Saints?

Saints CB Jason David: "It feels great. This is an awesome opportunity and it feels like I am starting all over again, but I am really excited!"

NOS.com: Earlier this week you were at the White House with your former teammates. Can you talk about your emotions and what the reaction was from your former teammates regarding the possibility that you could be switching teams?

JD: "The emotions were cool. It is always great to see the guys that you went to battle with and it was good to see them and be a part of going to the White House and meeting the President. Everyone that I saw, from my former teammates, to the coaches and the front office people, were genuinely happy for me and excited about it and they said that I deserved this. I didn't hear anything negative from anyone. They treated me with class and I heard that they didn't want to lose me but this was the business side of it. But I thank the Colts for three great years and they gave me my opportunity and I will always be grateful to them."

NOS.com: Annually very few players switch teams via restricted free agency. What were your expectations as you headed into the process?

JD: "I really didn't have any expectations because there is very little movement among free agents when you are restricted. Once I got the tendered contract from the Colts, I pretty much thought that would be it, at least for the next year. But to have a team like the Saints who did so well last year and has so much going for them to be interested and willing to make a move shows that people have been paying attention and they like what they see in me. When the Saints called I was a little surprised initially but I always had the confidence in myself and knew this was a possibility. I am really happy and feel very blessed."

NOS.com: You came to New Orleans for a visit a few weeks ago. Can you talk about what your visit was like and when did you get the feeling that the Saints were sincere in talking to you about possibly joining the team?

JD: "I was sold when I got off the plane and it was 77 degrees. I had left Indianapolis and it was snowing in April. So I loved getting into the sunshine. In all honesty it was after I met the coaching staff and spent time with Coach Payton and Mr. Loomis. I sat down and talked to them and talked about the vision and their goals and expressed how happy they were to have me here. At first I wasn't too sure what was going to happen with the contract offer, but they made a very attractive offer and they showed that they believe in me as a player and a person and I fully intend to show them that they made a good decision."

NOS.com: You are a player that jumped into the starting lineup early in your professional career and you have been a mainstay throughout your career. What was the transition like for you from college to the pros?

JD: "It was tough, but coming out of college and getting the opportunity to play early in my career and see significant time and earning a starting spot really helped with my confidence. It is not an easy transition and you have to spend a lot of time getting in and learning the playbook, but that is what is expected of you as a professional. From there it was all about learning how to be a better player and work on continuing to improve. I take a lot of pride in my work habits not only during the season but also in the off-season. One thing that I am very excited about is coming to a team that has veterans in the secondary and guys that have played in the system for a year. That will be a big help and I am really anxious to get to know them and to work with them and learn from them."

NOS.com: There was recently an article that stated that cornerbacks in Cover Two schemes aren't asked to do all of the things that a cornerback is asked to do in a defense that relies on man-to-man coverage. How do you feel about that characterization?

JD: "I am excited and football is football. When you line up, it is about playing. That is overblown, in my estimation. We played a variety of different coverages, whether it was cover two, man, or zone, and I can play them all. The Saints knew that I played a variety of different roles and they did their homework. They didn't just say, 'He's a cover two guy.' They know what I can do and I am confident in my abilities."

NOS.com: You have been a guy that has developed a knack for being around the ball and making plays throughout your young career. Is that something that is innate or are ball skills something that you spend a lot of time working on?

JD: "I think it a combination of the two, I believe. I think that having the instincts is something that comes naturally, but you still have to work on your ball skills. I hate knocking down passes, I want to intercept them, but there comes a time when knocking a ball down is the only play you can make on a ball. But when you can make the opponent turn it over, it is always huge. You have to be solid in everything you do, I believe. It is about being sound in tackling, knowing your assignments and making plays on the ball. That's what complete corners do and I take pride in being able to do all of those things."

NOS.com: The Saints will travel to Indianapolis to open the 2007 season. Have you given much thought to what that will feel like for you to face your former teammates?

JD: "I have been thinking about that since the Saints called me and asked me to visit. It is going to be a fun game for me. I played against Peyton (Manning), Reggie (Wayne) and Marvin (Harrison) every day in practice and it is going to be fun and cool to line up against them and do it at game speed. It is going to be a lot of fun and I am already looking forward to it."

NOS.com: What are your plans moving forward? The Saints players have been here for roughly three weeks in the off-season strength and conditioning program. How anxious are you to come in and meet your new teammates and get started?

JD: "I will be there on Monday. I am very anxious. I am looking forward to meeting everybody and am really excited to be a Saint!"

Sounds like Payton has a bright vision on the teams future if he was able to sell David that well on the Saints. Sounds like David is a great person, and excited to be a Saint I look forward to seeing him make plays in the secondary.

[Auron]

Bit of a small signing, but we signed Punter, Jason Hanson yesterday formerly of the Jaguars to give Weatherford competition in camp.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/10166515

NEW ORLEANS (May 4, 2007) -- The New Orleans Saints signed former Pro Bowl punter Chris Hanson to a one-year contract.

never hurts to bring in competition. I do hope that Weatherford can earn the spot and beat him out in camp to become the future at the position though.

[Flyboy]

Training camp punter. I'm pretty Weatherford has the job on lock.

Goddamnit, I wish it was rookie minicamp at least already. =(

[Saints67]

Saints sign...

Kendrick Clancy, a DT from the Cards to a 3 year deal...per Siruis.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187514
http://www.azcardinals.com/team/bio.php?PRKey=86

[Saints67]

it's confirmed, he is signed...

http://neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3482

[Geo]

Not knowing the contract figures yet, but this looks to be a very good move by the Saints imo.

[Flyboy]

I think Geo is a closet Saint fan. ;)

[TigerBait45]

Don't know much about him, but hes started 30 games in his career so its at the very least a good move from a depth standpoint, especially considering how thin our DT corps is.

[Flyboy]

Not knowing the contract figures yet, but this looks to be a very good move by the Saints imo.

Here you go:

The Saints, apparently attempting to shore up the interior of their defensive line, signed free-agent defensive tackle Kendrick Clancy to a three-year, $5.2 million contract Thursday.

[Splat]

Saints sign DT Clancy

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/10217431

[Sveen]

Saints released CB DeJuan Groce.

Source: http://www.rotoworld.com

[Auron]

Michael Lewis cut as well, along with Willie Whitehead. Official Saints Site (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3490)

The New Orleans Saints have released WR Michael Lewis and DE/DT Willie Whitehead, it was announced today by Executive Vice President/General Manager Mickey Loomis.

Kind of surprised to see Willie get cut, he's been here since forever. I thought because of his experience, and versatility he would've made the team.. but I guess not.

[Sveen]

Drew Bledsoe could be an option as a backup for the Saints, according to the Biloxi Sun Herald.

Sources:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx
http://www.sunherald.com/sports/story/78933.html

[Auron]

NFL Network reporting the Saints signed LB, Dhani Jones to a 1 year deal.

Will have a link up in a bit. Ah thanks for providing a internet source Sveen.

[Sveen]

It's on Rotoworld.com now.

Saints signed LB Dhani Jones to a one-year contract.
Jones was in the NFL Network studio to announce the signing himself on Thursday. Cut by the Eagles in late April, Jones didn't get much action on the free agent market. The outside linebacker isn't a lock to make the team.

[diabsoule]

I think Jones is just a camp body and we might sign someone better if they are cut during TC by other teams.

[Sveen]

It's official. Dhani Jones is a Saint.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3510

[Sveen]

Washington might not be done making moves. In recent days, the Redskins have spoken to Denver about a deal for defensive tackle Gerard Warren, who did not accompany the Broncos to San Francisco for Monday night's preseason game against the 49ers.

The Redskins always are looking to upgrade their defensive line, and Warren could help. Warren played well in 2005, but struggled last season. Some believe it was his attitude, but others attribute it to the broken toe that Warren played with last season. They insist it prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

The Broncos also have spoken to the Saints, the Colts and the Dolphins. The Redskins and the Saints are the most likely landing spots, but teams are hesitant to deal for Warren when Denver might have to cut him.

However, if enough teams are interested, the Broncos might be able to get back a draft choice for Warren. If not, and he is released, Warren is expected to go to the highest bidder.

Either way, the matter should be resolved by Tuesday.

Source: http://www.saintsrevolution.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=216&Itemid=1

[diabsoule]

I don't know how I feel about trying to sign Warren. Maybe our coaching staff can motivate because if I remember correctly he has problems going all out on the field.

[diabsoule]

My plan for the Saints (broken down by position):

Offseason moves: Releases/Trades
Release
QB Jamie Martin
RB Aaron Stecker
WR Devery Henderson
TE Mark Campbell
DT Brian Young
LB Mark Simoneau
LB Alfred Fincher
CB Fred Thomas
S Jay Bellamy
PK Olindo Mare

Trade:
RB Deuce McAlister (I'd hate to see this happen but I think it's in the best interest of the franchise)

Re-Sign
OG Jamar Nesbit (1 year deal)
TE Eric Johnson (1 year deal)
LB Troy Evans (1 year deal)
DE Renaldo Wynn (1 year deal)
WR David Patten (2 year deal)
TE Billy Miller (2 year deal)
PK Martin Gramatica (2 year deal)
WR Marques Colston (long term deal)
OG Jahri Evans (long term deal)

Free Agent Signings

OFFENSE

QB: With Jamie Martin being let go and Tyler Palko not ready to move up to take the back up slot, the Saints will need to invest in a young, effective signal caller in case Drew Brees goes down.
Saints sign: QB Josh McCown
Alternative option: QB Quinn Gray

RB: Hopefully the Saints will be able to receive something of significance if they are able to complete a trade for Deuce McAllister. Although he is a popular fixture on the Saints, a 30 year old running back with surgically repaired ACL's in both knees is not that great to have as a featured running back. Still, based on name recognition alone the Saints may garner something worth while. Due to that, the Saints will need to add a punishing bruiser who is able to pick up the hard to get yards in short yardage downs. Pierre Thomas has displayed a lot of promise this season and I feel he would be able to step in to the 3rd down back position that Aaron Stecker previously held. If Payton is not confident yet in what Thomas can bring to the table then another running back might need to be addressed in FA.
Saints sign: RB T.J. Duckett
Alternative option: RB LaBrandon Toefield
3rd down alternative option: RB Mewelde Moore

WR: Most of the Saints success comes through the air, especially when Drew Brees is being efficient with his passes, which he is most of the time. Former Saints receiver Devery Henderson never lived up to his potential and was not re-signed. This leaves a hole in the slot position and the Saints need to target a receiver that can get down field quickly and help stretch defenses. Depending on how important the Saints feel this position is will determine how much money is put into acquiring a receiver.
Saints sign: WR Bernard Berrian
First alternative option: WR Bryant Johnson
Second alternative option: WR Justin Gage

TE: After re-signing both Eric Johnson and the emerging Billy Miller, the Saints can afford to rest easy at tight end. They could make a small splash by signing a player based on his potential or by targeting one in the draft but this is not an area of immediate concern, especially considering that tight end is not relied upon that heavily in Sean Payton's offense.

OG: The Saints face a predicament this year as center Jeff Faine becomes an UFA. They have two choices: 1) re-sign him or 2) don't re-sign him. If they choose not to re-sign him then they will have to find one in free agency and there is not an outstanding or even an above average center this year in free agency. One possiblity is that the Saints move Jamar Nesbit over to center and move last year's draft pick Andy Alleman into the starting left guard position. Any which way, the Saints need quality depth along the offensive line, especially at guard.
Saints sign: OG Justin Smiley
Alternative option: OG Fred Womack

OT: Another position the Saints need to address is right tackle. There hasn't been any indication that the Saints plan on moving backup left tackle Zach Strief over to right tackle so a free agent needs to be brought in to replace Jon Stinchcomb, a player who has not lived up to his draft status.
Saints sign: OT Sean Locklear
First alternative option: OT Travelle Wharton
Second alternative option: OT Stacy Andrews

DEFENSE

DE: With the recently re-signed Charles Grant lined up with Will Smith on the opposite end, the Saints have a very formidable defensive end group. Renaldo Wynn and Josh Cooper are able to sub in and out and both are serviceable. There is some depth needed, especially a 3rd down pass rusher, but free agency is a bit light on pass rushers.

DT: This is one of the most important positions the Saints need to address. It is also a position the Saints should look into spending quite a bit of money into by signing up to two defensive tackle free agents in order to upgrade this unit. Last year's starter opposite Hollis Thomas was Brian Young, who is an unrestricted free agent this year. The Saints face a tough choice to either bring him back or not. There are quite a few options available for whichever they choose to do. In order to begin rebuilding the defense, the Saints should look into letting him go. They need to get younger, quicker, and more talented along the defensive front in order to help out their underachieving linebacking group. In order to replace what Brian Young brought to the table the Saints need to go after a quick, penetrating defensive tackle. There's a top notch guy like that available this year. There are also players available that would add quality depth and be able to compete for a starting position.
Saints sign: DT Corey Williams
Saints sign: DT Damione Lewis
First alternative option: DT Ian Scott
Second alternative option: DT Randy Starks

OLB: After last year, the Saints thought they had found their future weakside linebacker in Scott Shanle, a player acquired for just a 7th round draft pick from Dallas. This year, however, reality came crashing down on Joe Vitt and the Saints defensive coaches when Shanle failed to live up to his contract extension. Even Brian Simmons, a highly touted free agent signing, failed to live up to his press clippings. This year, presents some problems for the Saints. Not there isn't linebackers to go after in free agency, but how many, and who to take in the draft. The key to free agency is finding young veterans who can help lead and make a difference. With Coach Payton and Co. believing in drafting best player available (BPA), going after some solid linebackers in free agency makes sense. It starts by targeting Scott Shanle's replacement.
Saints sign: LB Demorrio Williams
First alternative option: LB Lance Briggs
Second alternative option: LB Landon Johnson

ILB: Mark Simoneau has been the starter for the past two seasons at middle linebacker, a position that requires a game changer and a leader. Mark Simoneau is neither. The depth at middle linebacker is lackluster at best for the Saints and an upgrade is needed immediately. The best middle linebacker in free agency looks to be Arizona Cardinal Karlos Dansby, however, it is very doubtful if the Cards are willing to part with one of their most important defensive pieces. It would be best for the Saints to plan to go after someone that will definitely be there. Targeting a versatile linebacker in the draft is a must as well.
Saints sign: LB Kawika Mitchell
Alternative option: None available

CB: Former Indianapolis Colt Jason David was highly sought after by the Saints front office and was eventually signed away from Tony Dungy's team. The coaching staff as well as most of the fans praised this signing with everyone hoping and dreaming for someone who would be better than Fred Thomas. The poison pill contract offered by the Saints for Jason David ended up backfiring as the poison was held in the form of Jason David's play on the field. His play killed many close games as he was picked on by quarterback after quarterback. This year the Saints may be a little gun shy about targeting a big name cornerback but that can't stop them from going after one. There are three big time corners available, however, Oakland Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha will more than likely be franchised taking him off the market. New England Patriot corner Asante Samuel seems to be a product of the Patriots defensive scheme. That would leave the Seattle Seahawks Marcus Trufant as the corner to pursue. The Saints may also need to go after one more free agent corner to help completely revamp a terrible secondary.
Saints sign: CB Marcus Trufant
First alternative option: CB Drayton Florence
Second alternative option: CB Travis Fisher
Third alternative option: CB Randall ***

S: Starters Josh Bullocks and Roman Harper have been inconsistent at best as the starting safeties for the Saints. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that both are young. That learning curve is about to end, though, as Josh Bullocks needs to shine in 2008 more than likely if he wants to keep his job. Roman Harper also needs to show improvement next year as well. Depth at safety is extremely lacking as fourteen year veteran Jay Bellamy is the current backup to Roman Harper and Kevin Kaesviharn is backing up Josh Bullocks. Former NFL Europe player Chris Reis looks to compete for a roster spot next year but the Saints need to sign someone they can rely on in case either Harper or Bullocks go down with an injury.
Saints sign: S Gibril Wilson
First alternative option: S Erik Coleman
Second alternative option: S Greg Blue

[Geo]

Isn't Aaron Stecker an unrestricted free agent after this season? Unles you meant letting him walk by releasing ...

Also, I wonder how easy it will be to trade McAllister following a torn ACL injury. He proved he could recover in time for 2006 following a 2005 injury, granted it actually helped him run more north-south than dance around.

[diabsoule]

Isn't Aaron Stecker an unrestricted free agent after this season? Unles you meant letting him walk by releasing ...

Also, I wonder how easy it will be to trade McAllister following a torn ACL injury. He proved he could recover in time for 2006 following a 2005 injury, granted it actually helped him run more north-south than dance around.

By releasing I mean just letting them walk if they an UFA.

[Sveen]

Saints signed WR Skyler Green, DE Josh Savage, TE Buck Ortega, CB Anwar Phillips, and G Tim Duckworth to reserve/future contracts.

Can someone explain to me what this actually means? None of them are listed on the active roster at http://www.neworleanssaints.com, but are they officially now on the roster, since the season is over I'm thinking maybe the Saints is allowed to have more than 53 players on it?

Edit: Never mind. Found the answer.

Players signed to “reserve/future” contracts means they are being signed for the 2008 season even though that season does not officially begin until March. Only players who were not on any NFL team’s active roster when the 2007 season ended are eligible for such signings; if they were under contract, then they would remain so until March. Players who were on practice squads at the end of the season are eligible to sign with any team.

Another question though. The players that ended the season on the practice squad; are they still on it? Or to put it another way, when in the year is the teams right to have 8 practice squad players over?

[Sveen]

Some news from KFFL.com:

Larry Holder, of the Biloxi Sun Herald, reports it is unclear if the New Orleans Saints will re-sign impending free-agent LB Mark Simoneau.

Larry Holder, of the Biloxi Sun Herald, reports it is unclear if the New Orleans Saints will re-sign impending free-agent DT Brian Young.

Larry Holder, of the Biloxi Sun Herald, reports the New Orleans Saints are more than $30 million under the salary cap.

Salary cap not an issue for Saints: http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-4/1199457012120280.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

[diabsoule]

I think possibly Tim Duckworth makes the roster and that's about it.

I'm hoping Mark Simoneau and Brian Young don't return so we can begin the rebuilding process on the defensive side of the ball.

[TigerBait45]

I could see Skylar Green making it as a special teams guy if he works on it. He was really damn fast in college, not sure what happened to him.

[diabsoule]

I could see Skylar Green making it as a special teams guy if he works on it. He was really damn fast in college, not sure what happened to him.

He's muffed a lot of punts in the pros and has been cut from Dallas and Cincinnati because he didn't contribute enough.

[diabsoule]

My plan for the Saints (broken down by position):

Offseason moves: Releases/Don't Re-Sign
Release
QB Jamie Martin
RB Aaron Stecker
WR Devery Henderson
TE Eric Johnson
TE Mark Campbell
DT Brian Young
LB Mark Simoneau
LB Alfred Fincher
CB Fred Thomas
S Jay Bellamy
PK Olindo Mare

Trade:
RB Deuce McAlister (I'd hate to see this happen but I think it's in the best interest of the franchise)

Trade For:
LB Jonathan Vilma: Although coming off of injured reserve and needing to pass a physical, Vilma would immediately upgrade the MLB position. Vilma's skill set is more suited to the 4-3 than the 3-4 and could come cheaply since the Jets have already found his replacement in David Harris. A third rounder would be the most the Black and Gold should offer. The key to trading for Vilma is his ability to pass a physical.

Re-Sign
OG Jamar Nesbit (1 year deal)
LB Troy Evans (1 year deal)
DE Renaldo Wynn (1 year deal)
WR David Patten (2 year deal)
TE Billy Miller (2 year deal)
PK Martin Gramatica (2 year deal)
OG Jahri Evans (long term deal)
WR Marques Colston (long term deal)

Free Agent Signings

OFFENSE

QB: With Jamie Martin being let go and Tyler Palko not ready to move up to take the back up slot, the Saints will need to invest in a young, effective signal caller in case Drew Brees goes down.
Saints sign: QB Josh McCown
First alternative option: QB Quinn Gray
Second alternative option: QB Shaun Hill
Third alternative option: QB Billy Volek

RB: Hopefully the Saints will be able to receive something of significance if they are able to complete a trade for Deuce McAllister. Although he is a popular fixture on the Saints, a 30 year old running back with surgically repaired ACL's in both knees is not that great to have as a featured running back. Still, based on name recognition alone the Saints may garner something worth while. Due to that, the Saints will need to add a punishing bruiser who is able to pick up the hard to get yards in short yardage downs. Pierre Thomas has displayed a lot of promise this season and I feel he would be able to step in to the 3rd down back position that Aaron Stecker previously held. If Payton is not confident yet in what Thomas can bring to the table then another running back might need to be addressed in FA.
Saints sign: RB T.J. Duckett
Alternative option: RB LaBrandon Toefield
3rd down back alternative option: RB Mewelde Moore

WR: Most of the Saints success comes through the air, especially when Drew Brees is being efficient with his passes, which he is most of the time. Former Saints receiver Devery Henderson never lived up to his potential and was not re-signed. This leaves a hole in the slot position and the Saints need to target a receiver that can get down field quickly and help stretch defenses. Depending on how important the Saints feel this position is will determine how much money is put into acquiring a receiver.
Saints sign: WR Bernard Berrian
Second alternative option: WR Jerry Porter
Third alternative option: WR Andre Davis
Fourth alternative option: WR Bryant Johnson
Fifth alternative option: WR Justin Gage

TE: Billy Miller was able to showcase his pass-catching ability this season when filling in for the injured Eric Johnson. Miller has shown to be a reliable receiving threat which helps open up the passing game even more. Re-signing him should be one of the first things the front office does. After Miller, though, depth at TE is scarce so a FA needs to be brought in who can help block and pass-catch.
Saints sign: TE Ben Troupe
Alternative option: TE Ben Hartstock

OG: The Saints face a predicament this year as center Jeff Faine becomes an UFA. They have two choices: 1) re-sign him or 2) don't re-sign him. If they choose not to re-sign him then they will have to find one in free agency and there is not an outstanding or even an above average center this year in free agency. One possiblity is that the Saints move Jamar Nesbit over to center and move last year's draft pick Andy Alleman into the starting left guard position. Any which way, the Saints need quality depth along the offensive line, especially at guard.
Saints sign: OG Justin Smiley
Alternative option: OG Fred Womack

OT: Another position the Saints need to address is right tackle. There hasn't been any indication that the Saints plan on moving backup left tackle Zach Strief over to right tackle so a free agent needs to be brought in to replace Jon Stinchcomb, a player who has not lived up to his draft status. Undrafted free agent rookie Jermon Bushrod might not be ready to come in and take over the RT position and I see him more as a back-up like Zach Strief.
One option could be to move current LT Jammal Brown back to RT and sign a FA who can play LT. The only FA that is capable of converting to LT is Carolina Panther FA Travell Wharton.
Saints sign: OT Sean Locklear
First alternative option: OT Travelle Wharton
Second alternative option: OT Stacy Andrews

DEFENSE

DE: With the recently re-signed Charles Grant lined opposite of Will Smith the Saints have a very formidable defensive end group. The thought of re-signing Will Smith has been tossed around but that is not crucial for this year since he was drafted in 2004 and signed a six year contract. Re-signing him next year will be a priority of the utmost importance.
Renaldo Wynn and Josh Cooper are able to sub in and out and both are serviceable. There is some depth needed, especially a 3rd down pass rusher, but free agency is a bit light on pass rushers.

DT: This is one of the most important positions the Saints need to address. It is also a position the Saints should look into spending quite a bit of money into by signing up to two defensive tackle free agents in order to upgrade this unit. Last year's starter opposite Hollis Thomas was Brian Young, who is an unrestricted free agent this year. The Saints face a tough choice to either bring him back or not. There are quite a few options available for whichever they choose to do. In order to begin rebuilding the defense, the Saints should look into letting him go. They need to get younger, quicker, and more talented along the defensive front in order to help out their underachieving linebacking group. In order to replace what Brian Young brought to the table the Saints need to go after a quick, penetrating defensive tackle. There's a top notch guy like that available this year. There are also players available that would add quality depth and be able to compete for a starting position.
Saints sign: DT Corey Williams
Saints sign: DT Randy Starks
First alternative option: DT Ian Scott
Second alternative option: DT Damione Lewis

ILB/OLB: After last year, the Saints thought they had found their future weakside linebacker in Scott Shanle, a player acquired for just a 7th round draft pick from Dallas. This year, however, reality came crashing down on Joe Vitt and the Saints defensive coaches when Shanle failed to live up to his contract extension. Even Brian Simmons, a highly touted free agent signing, failed to live up to his press clippings.
Mark Simoneau has been the starter for the past two seasons at middle linebacker, a position that requires a game changer and a leader. Simoneau is neither. The depth at middle linebacker is lackluster at best for the Saints and an upgrade is needed immediately. A trade for Jonathan Vilma would open up many different options for the Saints but if one is not able to be worked out then the Saints have other options as well.
The key to free agency is finding young veterans who can help lead and make a difference. This year, however, finding those young veterans are needed in the secondary and along the defensive front. With Coach Payton and Co. believing in drafting best player available (BPA), going after some solid linebackers in free agency makes sense, however, with so many needs already on the defensive side of the ball the Saints will have to find replacements in the draft at linebacker. This is actually a luxury since where the Saints are drafting they have the option of staying put and drafting an impact linebacker or trading down and still being able to land an immediate impact player. No money should be spent at linebacker this year.
Alternative option: LB Kawika Mitchell (1 year contract)

CB: Former Indianapolis Colt Jason David was highly sought after by the Saints front office and was eventually signed away from Tony Dungy's team. The coaching staff as well as most of the fans praised this signing with everyone hoping and dreaming for someone who would be better than Fred Thomas. The poison pill contract offered by the Saints for Jason David ended up backfiring as the poison was held in the form of Jason David's play on the field. His play killed many close games as he was picked on by quarterback after quarterback. This year the Saints may be a little gun shy about targeting a big name cornerback but that can't stop them from going after one.
There are three big time corners available, however, Oakland Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha will more than likely be franchised taking him off the market. New England Patriot corner Asante Samuel seems to be a product of the Patriots defensive scheme. That would leave the Seattle Seahawks Marcus Trufant as the corner to pursue.
There are also doubts that the Saints best cornerback, Mike McKenzie, might not be able to play at all next year. This makes signing another cornerback critical. A 2nd tier cornerback should be targeted to start opposite Trufant. If they Saints are able to sign these two players then drafting a cornerback does not become a top priority. The Saints need to put themselves in a position where they can wait and develop cornerback talent like they are doing with Usama Young. Being able to draft a cornerback at the earliest in round three will give them that luxury of developing talent.
Saints sign: CB Marcus Trufant
Saints sign: CB Drayton Florence
First alternative option: CB Jacques Reeves
Second alternative option: CB Travis Fisher
Third alternative option: CB Randall ***

S: Starters Josh Bullocks and Roman Harper have been inconsistent at best as the starting safeties for the Saints. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that both are young. That learning curve is about to end, though, as Josh Bullocks needs to shine in 2008 more than likely if he wants to keep his job. Roman Harper also needs to show improvement next year as well. Depth at safety is extremely lacking as fourteen year veteran Jay Bellamy is the current backup to Roman Harper and Kevin Kaesviharn is backing up Josh Bullocks. Former NFL Europe player Chris Reis looks to compete for a roster spot next year but the Saints need to sign someone they can rely on in case either Harper or Bullocks go down with an injury.
Saints sign: S Gibril Wilson
First alternative option: S Erik Coleman
Second alternative option: S Greg Blue

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Nice write up, I just think that Berrian, Corey Williams, and Trufant are going to command more money than you realize and I'm not sure how realistic it would be to sign all 3 (but I would love it).

[Geo]

Yeah, I was going to say, Berrian is going to get paid like a #1 receiver on the open market. Whether he deserves it or not. I've heard the Raiders might be a good possibilty as a potential suitor, given their needs at WR and Davis' penchant for liking speed.

Are the Seahawks planning on letting Trufant walk? I would think not, although I don't know any details about that ...

As for defensive tackles, maybe the Saints might be better off going with the Draft like Washington and Indianapolis have the last two years. Then again, if they're looking for a starter, they might need/want a proven player.

An early 3rd for Vilma? Hmm ... Javon Walker earned a mid/late 2nd in 2005, and Vilma's more proven that he was. I wonder if the Jets couldn't get a mid/late 2nd for Vilma, tough spot for the Saints as they have an early 2nd that they could use for a very good prospect who slips out of the 1st round.

[diabsoule]

Yeah, I was going to say, Berrian is going to get paid like a #1 receiver on the open market. Whether he deserves it or not. I've heard the Raiders might be a good possibilty as a potential suitor, given their needs at WR and Davis' penchant for liking speed.

Are the Seahawks planning on letting Trufant walk? I would think not, although I don't know any details about that ...

As for defensive tackles, maybe the Saints might be better off going with the Draft like Washington and Indianapolis have the last two years. Then again, if they're looking for a starter, they might need/want a proven player.

An early 3rd for Vilma? Hmm ... Javon Walker earned a mid/late 2nd in 2005, and Vilma's more proven that he was. I wonder if the Jets couldn't get a mid/late 2nd for Vilma, tough spot for the Saints as they have an early 2nd that they could use for a very good prospect who slips out of the 1st round.

I put the ideal free agents first, followed by the more realistic choices behind them.

I would think the Seahawks would tag Trufant as well but it is just wishful thinking on my part that they release him. More than likely the Saints, who definitely need two starting CB's, sign someone like Drayton Florence and Randall ***.

The Saints definitely need starters out of any FA defensive tackle. Our defensive line is Hollis Thomas, Kendrick Clancy, and Antwan Lake. Those three definitely are not a murderers row and we need a pass rusher/penetrator which Corey Williams is.

Vilma is a complicated situation as well as the Saints. I don't know how bad his injury was, I don't know where he stands with the Jets, and I don't know if the Saints are going to show any interest in a possible trade. Another wishful thinking proposal on my part.

[diabsoule]

Do you guys thinks we should go after Norm Chow?

[TigerBait45]

It'd make sense. Our personnel fit his system much better than with the Titans.

I think he'll go back to the college game though.

[Rich Jr]

No, unless he coaches a position because Payton is not giving up play calling and he's too good at it.

[Flyboy]

Do you guys thinks we should go after Norm Chow?

Yes, I do. Him & Payton would be great together if Payton's ego didn't get out of hand.

[diabsoule]

Who do you guys think we have a realistic shot of signing in FA?

[diabsoule]

I'll be doing another offseason prediction very soon.

[Stoopid512]

I'm really worried about the secondary next year if the Saints can't come away with some big signings or players that will fit into the system in 2008. I'm sure they'll draft a CB, but you really can't expect a rookie to start in the NFL right away at the 2nd or 3rd CB position, unless you've given up on the season. Bottom line is that the Saints D is in deep doo-doo.

[Saints67]

Looks like the majority of players Saints looking at in the Senior Bowl, are on the offensive side. With Patrick Lee being the only D player.

I'm praying we take D in the 1st 3 rounds, but i really doubt it with this Saints team...it's all about offense.

[diabsoule]

Right now this is who I want:
Keith Rivers - 1st Round
Phillip Wheeler - 2nd Round
Charles Godfrey - 3rd Round
DeMario Pressley - 4th Round

[diabsoule]

Rumors are swirling that the Dallas Cowboys are shopping Marcus Spears and Bobby Carpenter at the Senior Bowl? Would any of you guys want to go after them? If so, how much would you be willing to offer?

I'd be willing to give a 5th round for Carpenter. He could come in and compete for a linebacker position, and if not win it, he'd be a great backup and valuable special teams contributor.

[Saints67]

A poster (a informative poster and reliable one at that) on Saintsreport.com, has said that the Saints have hired Ed Orgeron former Ole Miss HC with the position unknown but most likely DL coach.

[Flyboy]

Looks like the majority of players Saints looking at in the Senior Bowl, are on the offensive side. With Patrick Lee being the only D player.

Hahaha.

gogogo DeSean Jackson!

[TigerBait45]

if they really did hire Oregeron, thats a great move. Hes a hell of a d-line coach.

[Sveen]

If we could get Carpenter for a 5th rounder that would be a good move I think.

According to published reports in Detroit, the Lions are prepared to move on without Pro Bowl DT Shaun Rogers. The Lions will reportedly release Rogers if they can’t find a trade partner before the draft. And finding someone to take on Rogers’ $16M-plus cap figure for the next couple of years likely isn’t going to be easy.
That do you guys think of him in a Saints jersey?

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

We need Gregg Williams' number on speed dial if/when the Skins release him.

[diabsoule]

We need Gregg Williams' number on speed dial if/when the Skins release him.

I'm thinking the same thing. Him, Rex Ryan, or Rob Ryan.

[TigerBait45]

Shaun Rodgers is a man.

A man

[SaintsFanForLife]

There are alot of top CB's and LB's available this year. Both positions we really need help in. Who should we look to get and why?

[diabsoule]

There is a Saints offseason thread that you can look to for answers on any offseason questions as well as submit your own for answering.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I think we could get LB Dansby and maybe CB Florance in FA I think that is a real posability..

[Sveen]

It's looking like Dansby will get the franchise tag if they can't work out a long-term deal.

[SaintsFanForLife]

We really need to spend money on a top CB ther is not one in the draft that can start right away and Mike could be out for most of next year too. We need help now.

[diabsoule]

What do ya'll think of Scott's new mock? Leodis McKelvin and Curtis Lofton in the 1st and 2nd.

[Flyboy]

I would switch the order of the picks.

LB in the 1st: Keith Rivers
CB in the 2nd.

[TigerBait45]

I like McKelvin a lot, but man Rivers would be tempting at 10.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I would rather spend the 10th on rivers and pickup a CB in FA

[diabsoule]

I'd rather Rivers in the 1st and BPA in the second with that hopefully being an ILB. We'd be dangerous if we had Fujita, Rivers, and Wheeler/Lofton along with Grant and Smith at DE, and say a DT rotation Corey Williams, Hollis Thomas, Kendrick Clancy, and Randy Starks.

[Sveen]

According to the Globe and Mail, the Saskatchewan Roughriders quarterback is set to work out with the New Orleans Saints next month.

Joseph, who is entering his option year and is elegible to sign with an NFL club before February 15, is not happy with contract negotiations involving the Roughriders.

"Saskatchewan is not moving too fast on getting a new deal done," Joseph told the Globe and Mail. "I'm trying not to get frustrated on that point."

Last season, Joseph took a $125,000 pay cut to stay in Saskatchewan, a move that paid off with a Grey Cup victory and a Most Outstanding Player award. He made $225,000 last season and is slated to make $250,000 this season. But he's looking for more in light of his accomplishments.

"I want to get my salary up to par with the other [quarterbacks], especially with the season I had," Joseph told the newspaper.

Reports indicate that Anthony Calvillo of the Montreal Alouettes and Henry Burris of the Calgary Stampeders made close to $350,000 last season.

With Drew Brees as the starter in New Orleans, Joseph would likely have to outperform backup quarterback Jamie Martin to gain a spot on the roster. With his five years of experience, his minimum salary would be in the neighbourhood of $600,000, which would be too rich as a third-stringer. The work-out is scheduled for February 13.

While Roughriders general manager Eric Tillman would like to have Joseph back, he understands his quarterback's dream to play in the NFL.

"Selfishly, we want Kerry back. But if Kerry chooses to pursue his NFL dream, it's something we will accept and understand," Tillman told the Globe and Mail. "We have great confidence in Marcus Crandell, Darian Durant and Drew Tate and if the worst-case scenario happens, we'll go forward."

But Tillman also feels there is no immediate timeframe to get Joseph a new contract.

"I've had discussions with his agent and they will continue but not via the media," Tillman told the newspaper. "The thing that has to be factored in is that Kerry is under contract for next year. We're not talking about a lack of dialogue with someone who will be a free agent in a couple of weeks."

Should Joseph sign with the Saints and then get released, his rights would revert back to Saskatchewan and he would reportedly give up about half of his CFL salary.

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/news_story/?ID=228545&hubname=

[SaintsFanForLife]

We need a CB we have needed one since i became a Saints fan at birth..Just spend the money and get somebody. I really want to put my brown paper bag( aint's) up for good.

[Flyboy]

I rather get a stud DT or LB rather than a CB personally.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I rather get a stud DT or LB rather than a CB personally.

My thing is that we actually did ok in stopping the run this year.. We just got burnt on big pass plays thats why I want a CB.......Do we need a top LB hell yes and a top DT would be nice too. But we need to stop the pass.

[RAZERSAINTS]

My thing is that we actually did ok in stopping the run this year.. We just got burnt on big pass plays thats why I want a CB.......Do we need a top LB hell yes and a top DT would be nice too. But we need to stop the pass.

I agree 100% we need a CB

[diabsoule]

I rather get a stud DT or LB rather than a CB personally.

I agree with ya. If we can get a great pass rush then our secondary would look a lot better.

We can go after CB in FA. Same thing with DT. We're in a good position to get some incredible LB's in the draft.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree with ya. If we can get a great pass rush then our secondary would look a lot better.

We can go after CB in FA. Same thing with DT. We're in a good position to get some incredible LB's in the draft.

Thats what im saying spend some money in FA and get a CB.... we can get Rivers in the draft

[diabsoule]

Thats what im saying spend some money in FA and get a CB.... we can get Rivers in the draft

Rivers is a definite possibility and the guy I would like the most. I just have a hard time seeing the Saints going after a big name free agent. For some reason I see us targeting a 2nd tier CB like Drayton Florence.

[Sveen]

Bengals signed P Danny Baugher.
Baugher was out of football in 2007 after being cut by the Patriots. This is his second stint with the Bengals - he signed with the team as an undrafted free agent in 2006, but was cut after camp. Kyle Larson, the Bengals' punter since 2004, will become an unrestricted free agent on February 29.

Looks like free agency this year will start on Feb 29th.

[saintsfan912]

Anybody else think picking up a safety better than Bullocks would help the pass just as much as a 2nd teir Free Agent corner? He was constantly out of position this year and was just as much to blame for the burners as the corners. If Rivers is gone at 10, should we go after Phillips?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Rivers is a definite possibility and the guy I would like the most. I just have a hard time seeing the Saints going after a big name free agent. For some reason I see us targeting a 2nd tier CB like Drayton Florence.
Well even Florence would be a great upgrade..I would be happy with that..

[SaintsFanForLife]

Anybody else think picking up a safety better than Bullocks would help the pass just as much as a 2nd teir Free Agent corner? He was constantly out of position this year and was just as much to blame for the burners as the corners. If Rivers is gone at 10, should we go after Phillips?
If rivers is gone and Ellis,Gholston, and Dorcey are gone which they should be. I would rather have Phillips over any of the other CB at the Number 10 spot. I just dont think there is a top 10 pick CB in the draft...

[saintsfan912]

If rivers is gone and Ellis,Gholston, and Dorcey are gone which they should be. I would rather have Phillips over any of the other CB at the Number 10 spot. I just dont think there is a top 10 pick CB in the draft...

Agreed. Looks as if McKelvin or Jenkins are the best of the class and they are barely top 20 guys. No need to reach if we can pick up Florence or any other CB that WASNT a fricking cover 2 guy.

[Sveen]

I don't there is a Top 10 CB either. Atleast not yet.

My Saints Draft board right noe:
1. Glenn Dorsey
2. Sedrick Ellis
3. Keith Rivers
4. Kenny Philips
5. Leodis McKelvin

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree I would just add Gholston to the list.

[RAZERSAINTS]

If rivers is gone and Ellis,Gholston, and Dorcey are gone which they should be. I would rather have Phillips over any of the other CB at the Number 10 spot. I just dont think there is a top 10 pick CB in the draft...

I agree that Rivers would be the best bet...No CB this year is worth the 10th pick

[saintsfan912]

Not to mention that Rodgers-Cromartie kid could be available in the 2nd, I've heard some real good things about him.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Not to mention that Rodgers-Cromartie kid could be available in the 2nd, I've heard some real good things about him.

That is true i would like DRC in the 2nd.....

[SaintsFanForLife]

Also I would love to see Meachem come out this year and do something other than keeping the bench worm.

[saintsfan912]

Yea, you right about that. Fricking Meachem.

[RAZERSAINTS]

I really hope meachem pans out.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I really did not like that pick last year I wanted Puzluzny how ever you spell it or huston CB from AR. But I hope he makes me eat my words in the near future

[Sveen]

I didn't like the pick either. I believe I wanted Alan Branch (if I remember correctly). I didn't get to see much of the Cardinals this year, but looking at his stats it doesn't look like he accomplished a lot either. Anyway, let's hope Meachem will prove himself worthy of the #27 overall.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I hope he proves himself worthy of a pick at all

[saintsfan912]

What do you guys think of our HB situation? Do we go after a Julius Jones type in free agency since he probably won't be getting the money of a Turner or Fargas? Do we just stick with an oft injured Deuce, even though I love him, is not doing us much good? (Maybe he takes a pay cut, like he needs the money anyways haha) I know we keep Pierre Thomas, he was beastly down the stretch last year. And we have to keep Stecker, he was also a monster and has always been Mr. Reliable.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I think we stick with what we got I think that now we know that Stecker and Pierre can take the role of Deuce (if he is not healthy) and then just let Riggie run wild playing all the postions Sean wants to place him in. Im happy with our RB situation. Spend the money on D

[saintsfan912]

Spend the money on who on defense though? Brian Simmons again? Or how about another Jason David? Not many good FAs on defense that are actually gonna be let go by their teams.

[saintsfan912]

And we of all teams know how valuable depth at HB is. I'm not completely sold on Thomas anyways, he produced for what 3 games?

[Geo]

I really think some of that money needs to be used for a new, big deal for Marques Colston. He's clearly outperformed his 7th round rookie contract by a mile with two Pro Bowl (if the idiot voters could get it right) years, usually you sign a top-notch player to a big deal if he does that his first two years. I think the Saints do the right thing and reward/lock up their ace receiver, ensuring their NFC South opponents that they'll be seeing the two-headed monster of Colston and Meachem for years to come.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree on colston's contract Geo and from wnat I have read they are getting it togeather right also will smiths contract and Jari evans are getting done.

[saintsfan912]

I totally forgot about Colston's contract I guess because of how well he's performing and not remembering how damn far back in the draft we picked him. Yea, that we need to do, and also need to lock up Will Smith if that hasn't been done yet. And what 2 headed monster? Meachem needs to suit up before we say anything haha.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Spend the money on who on defense though? Brian Simmons again? Or how about another Jason David? Not many good FAs on defense that are actually gonna be let go by their teams.

Well there are A.Samuel CB Florence CB Lance Briggs LB looks like Trufant is getting let go also.. There are some FA out there. WE need to pick up one of the CB out there and draft a LB like Rivers..IMO

[saintsfan912]

OH yea, we have around 32 mil to spend this offseason.

[SaintsFanForLife]

OH yea, we have around 32 mil to spend this offseason.

We got the money to spend we just need to drop some cash on a top CB that we can keep for years to come.....

[saintsfan912]

Florence is the only guy out of those that's probably gonna be let go freely. I thought I read somewhere that Trufant and Samuels are pretty much locks to be franchised.

Do you think we franchise Evans?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Florence is the only guy out of those that's probably gonna be let go freely. I thought I read somewhere that Trufant and Samuels are pretty much locks to be franchised.

Do you think we franchise Evans?

Samuels cant be franchised its in his contract..and They said they were not going to franchase trufant but who knows on that one

[SaintsFanForLife]

[QUOTE=Do you think we franchise Evans?[/QUOTE]

Im not sure I think he has another year left on his contract but if this is his last year then yea I dont see why not he is on of the best young G..in the league I would say yes.

[saintsfan912]

Do you really want to pay Clements money to Samuels though?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Do you really want to pay Clements money to Samuels though?

I do man im so tired of having CB issues. Give him a 8 year deal and lets do it. Its the price you pay for a shutdown CB. I dont think the saints will do it but i wish they would

[saintsfan912]

I do man im so tired of having CB issues. Give him a 8 year deal and lets do it. Its the price you pay for a shutdown CB. I dont think the saints will do it but i wish they would

I agree, I am damn tired of the CB issue but is he truly that shutdown corner? He's undersized somewhat and has played on a great overall defense. I just don't want to get into another Jason David situation.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree, I am damn tired of the CB issue but is he truly that shutdown corner? He's undersized somewhat and has played on a great overall defense. I just don't want to get into another Jason David situation.

I agree I dont want to make that Jason David mistake again. But I think he will do a great job. I really think we will pick up Florence. He is a little older but a great man corner. But I do want a CB in FA. ( a good CB )

[saintsfan912]

I do like Florence, no doubt. Age is not a concern really, half the damn defense is pretty old. I would love to pick up a Talib, Cason, or Rodgers Cromartie in the draft, they look legit from what I've seen. 2 CBs in the offseason I think would be fine. We need to let Usama develop too, he looks like he can actually play once he learns the game.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree man about Young he is going to be good and if we could pick up DRC in the 2nd that would be great

[Flyboy]

I really think some of that money needs to be used for a new, big deal for Marques Colston. He's clearly outperformed his 7th round rookie contract by a mile with two Pro Bowl (if the idiot voters could get it right) years, usually you sign a top-notch player to a big deal if he does that his first two years. I think the Saints do the right thing and reward/lock up their ace receiver, ensuring their NFC South opponents that they'll be seeing the two-headed monster of Colston and Meachem for years to come.

Wow. Where did all these new Saints come from? It used to be just me, dia, Sveen, Auron, TPFKSA and a few others. Weird.

Anyhow, no worries, Geo. We're talking with Colston to lock him up long-term. It's one of our priorities for the off-season.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Nice to see some Saints fans...

[diabsoule]

Saints re-signed Martin Gramatica and signed two assistant coaches.

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/02/saints_resign_gramatica_hire_c.html

I like the re-signing of Gramatica. He really helped us out towards the end of the season and I like im a whole lot more than Mare.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Saints re-signed Martin Gramatica and signed two assistant coaches.

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/02/saints_resign_gramatica_hire_c.html

I like the re-signing of Gramatica. He really helped us out towards the end of the season and I like im a whole lot more than Mare.

I agree I like Gramatica better than Mare

[TigerBait45]

Mare was a disaster.

[Sveen]

I would like to see us get rid of Mare before the offseason programs begin, and then bring in a young kicker either via free agency or an undrafted free agent to compete with Gramatica for the job. Looks like there are quite a few good kickers in this draft, but no one that stands out (and will get drafted high). So we very well might see a lot of good ones making it to free agency. Maybe a guy like Ito from Rutgers or Hartley from Oklahoma.

I wish the Saints had just listened to me last year, and drafted Mason Crosby.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I would like to see us get rid of Mare before the offseason programs begin, and then bring in a young kicker either via free agency or an undrafted free agent to compete with Gramatica for the job. Looks like there are quite a few good kickers in this draft, but no one that stands out (and will get drafted high). So we very well might see a lot of good ones making it to free agency. Maybe a guy like Ito from Rutgers or Hartley from Oklahoma.

I wish the Saints had just listened to me last year, and drafted Mason Crosby.
That sounds good to me. I would love a young guy to come in and take the starting job.

[reznola]

I think the Saints will keep Mare around till the end of training camp at the very least. They traded to pick up a player that was probably going to end up on the street if no one would give them anything for him, and now the Saints are trying to save a lil face.

Last offseason for the Saints was a disaster here is to hoping and praying that this one fares much better.

[RAZERSAINTS]

That was stupid to give up anything for Mare....

[SaintsFanForLife]

That was stupid to give up anything for Mare....

I have to agree now...But at that time i actually thought it would be a good move. I was so wrong......

[RAZERSAINTS]

Yea I just think we gave up to much for him.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree we did give up to much.

I just saw you are using my Quote on your sig....That was a bad day for me man.......To go into overtime and go to the playoffs......An extra point come on Carny.....Ok im over it for now...

[Geo]

The one thing about Mare is that he's still very good/great at kickoffs, and I don't think the move to the dome changed that. Unfortunately his accuracy didn't improve with the move to the dome ... and a kicker just isn't worth that much grief. If anything, I thought Payton did stuck with that drama too long. Automatica Grammatica did a good job it looked like, although he's not as good a kickoff guy as Mare.

If you notice Neil Rackers of Arizona, he's obviously not as accurate as he was in 2005 when he had an exceptional year. But he's still great at kickoffs.

Looking at the 2007 reg season stats, here's the top 5 kickers in touchbacks:

1. Sebastian Janikowski, OAK 22
2. Neil Rackers, ARI 17
3. Rob Bironas, TEN 16
T-4. Stephen Gostkowski, NE 15
T-4. Olindo Mare, NO 15

and Mare played in 13 games last season.

[RAZERSAINTS]

I still want a young guy that can do both jobs well kickoff and field goals

[SaintsFanForLife]

I still want a young guy that can do both jobs well kickoff and field goals

That would be the best bet but we will see what happens. I also would want a young guy in there

[TigerBait45]

Couteau from Georgia has an absolute cannon leg. I'd like to see them give him a shot if the value is right.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Couteau from Georgia has an absolute cannon leg. I'd like to see them give him a shot if the value is right.

I dont know the guy but we need a good strong kicker

[Sveen]

Former Miami Dolphins linebacker Zach Thomas is scheduled to visit with the New Orleans Saints before next week's NFL Combine, and then with the Dallas Cowboys after the Combine, the NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported Friday.

Full Story: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806b4a7c&template=with-video&confirm=true

[SaintsFanForLife]

Thanks for the update Sveen. I would like to see him on the field teaching our LB'rs how to play.....

[saintsfan912]

Man I would love to pick up Zach. Wouldn't it be great for a LB like that to teach Keith Rivers (fingers crossed)?

[diabsoule]

Falcons released Alge Crumpler today. Who would like to see him in a Saints uniform?

I know I would LOVE IT.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Falcons released Alge Crumpler today. Who would like to see him in a Saints uniform?

I know I would LOVE IT.

Same here..

[TigerBait45]

Hell yes, sign him up. I'll even put in a few bucks.

[SaintsFanForLife]

If we add him and Alge and Z.Thomas and maybe Florence I would call it a great offseason...Then get Rivers in the draft and I would flip out. Come on Saints spend the money

[RAZERSAINTS]

That would make my day.......Sounds like a good plan

[SaintsFanForLife]

I just cant wait untill the 29 so we can start making moves with FA...I know we can pick up Zach and Alge now becouse they were cut but I really want to see what we do CB wise in FA

[diabsoule]

If we add him and Alge and Z.Thomas and maybe Florence I would call it a great offseason...Then get Rivers in the draft and I would flip out. Come on Saints spend the money

I wouldn't stop there.

Land Crumpler, Z. Thomas, and Florence to start while having feelers out for Trufant, Nnamdi Asomaghu, Corey Williams, Sean Locklear, and Bryant Johnson. Hopefully we would land one of the top two CB's, along with the big DT and speedy WR, plus a better RT.

We would take care of our needs at CB, TE, and RT, as well as add depth and competition to the DT rotation. We would go into the draft looking at LB exclusively as well as S depth, QB depth, WR depth, and DT.

[SaintsFanForLife]

It looks like we will have some good options out there we just need to take advantage of the available FA's

[RAZERSAINTS]

We have an offence that can get us to the playoffs we just need to a catch up on D

[diabsoule]

My offseason desires are as follows:

CB Marcus Trufant
CB Drayton Florence
LB Zach Thomas
DT Corey Williams
TE Alge Crumpler
WR Bryant Johnson
OT Sean Locklear

[saintsfan912]

My offseason desires are as follows:

CB Marcus Trufant
CB Drayton Florence
LB Zach Thomas
DT Corey Williams
TE Alge Crumpler
WR Bryant Johnson
OT Sean Locklear

That would be the best offseason I could ever think of!

[SaintsFanForLife]

My offseason desires are as follows:

CB Marcus Trufant
CB Drayton Florence
LB Zach Thomas
DT Corey Williams
TE Alge Crumpler
WR Bryant Johnson
OT Sean Locklear

I agree but i would like to see maybe Briggs in there to take over shanle's spot

[SaintsFanForLife]

But I dont think we will give him the money. I hope...... but I dont see it going down.

[TigerBait45]

The good news is the team has like 30 million dollars of cap space.

The bad news is..its the Saints and they won't spend it.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Yea I agree not in FA at least .....but they will drop it on Colston, will smith and j. evens.. But I hope they will spend some money

[diabsoule]

If we go after one of the top CB's in FA then we won't go after Briggs, and to be honest with you guys, I'm happy with that. I'd rather go after a rookie LB so we'd have him for numerous years. I'd love to land Keith Rivers in the first and have Dan Conner, Curtis Lofton, or Philip Wheeler fall to us in the 2nd.

Think of this:

Front Four - Grant, Thomas, C. Williams, Smith
Linebackers - Fujita, Wheeler, Rivers
Cornerbacks - Trufant, Florence
Safeties - Harper, Bullocks

I don't know about you guys but that looks pretty bad ass to me.

[SaintsFanForLife]

It looks good

[SaintsFanForLife]

NfL to pay Saints for lost of home game...

http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/viewStory.cfm?recID=29930

[RAZERSAINTS]

Yea thats a good thing...but what about the the money that the city makes shops and things...They are the ones that need it..

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree it is going to take alot of money from the city. We are still rebuilding I think this is the wrong time to take a game away from us.

[TigerBait45]

Lito Sheppard has gotten permission to shop himself to other teams for a potential trade.

Good news?

[SaintsFanForLife]

I would jump on it but he has not played a full year since 2003 so Im not sure....If he could stay healthy I would take him in a heartbeat...

[RAZERSAINTS]

I would give our second rounder for him

[saintsfan912]

2nd is too high for a guy that hasn't played a full season since 03. A 3rd, heck yea.

[SaintsFanForLife]

Yea I would go with a 3rd.....but im sure philly is going to want alot more..

[diabsoule]

He's on a major decline. I'll pass.

[Bills2083]

Do you guys think Jeff Faine will be resigned by you guys?
Also, can you give me a quick scouting report on him?

[SaintsFanForLife]

Derek Smith is available now what do you guys think about him....

[SaintsFanForLife]

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the New Orleans Saints have made Thomas an offer to join the team. Earlier this week, the Patriots offered Thomas a contract.

[saintsfan912]

Derek Smith, the LB from San Fran? Not a fan at all, its just like we've been doing with the LBs. Taking outcasts that were never good. Zach is a different story, he would be a great teacher as he was one of the best at his position in his prime. Maybe picking up Zach is a sign that we are ready to pick up Keith Rivers in the draft!

[saintsfan912]

double post

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree I want Zach that artical also said that so far we are the front runners so that's good. But we need to make some good moves this offseason and this would be a good start.

[TigerBait45]

Zach Thomas can still bring it when hes healthy. If he does sign here I'll be cautiously optimistic.

[Sveen]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Saints have made free agent Zach Thomas a contract offer.

Source: Rotoworld

[RAZERSAINTS]

I hope Zach signs he ia a great addition

[SaintsFanForLife]

Ok if Vilma is healthy we should make a move....I have always like Vilma and he is young. A great addition if healthy and for a 3rd thats a fair price... I would like to see Him and Zach rotating till he is 100% healthy. That would be a dream come true.

[Sveen]

The Saints re-signed receiver Terrance Copper to a two-year, $2.75 million deal earlier this week, according to his agent Ronald Del Duca.

Copper, who turns 26 next month, has been a valued role player for the last two seasons, both as a backup receiver and special teams standout. He has 38 receptions for 511 yards and five touchdowns in two years with New Orleans.

Full story: http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/02/saints_resign_copper.html

[SaintsFanForLife]

Im glad we re-signed copper. But I want to see us going ahead and re-signing Colston and Smith...also Evans

[Sveen]

Signing Will Smith, Marques Colston and Jahri Evans should be high on the "To Do" list this offseason. We just can't afford to be in a situation where we could lose any of those guys.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I agree we need to keep them. We have the cap room to sign them all and our picks and a top FA

[SaintsFanForLife]

Dan Morgan just visited the Saints..

[Sveen]

Our biggest needs are DT, LB and CB, and there are some interesting players on the trading block at those positions. What do you guys think about Jonathan Vilma, Shaun Rogers and DeAngelo Hall? :)

[SaintsFanForLife]

I would love Vilma and rogers...If Hall will act right on and off the field then he would be a big pick up...He is only 24 and he is a good man CB. But for some reason I dont see us trading anything. I think it will be all FA and Draft that we make our pick ups. But I would love to have all three.

[Sveen]

I'd actually be very happy if we could get Shaun Rogers and Jonathan Vilma for our 2nd and 3rd. That would give us some proven players that can come in and start right away. If we could make that happen and sign a CB and LB in Free Agency, we can go into the draft and take the best CB/LB/DT available at #10 overall :)

Edit: Come to think about the ideal scenario would be for us to trade down from #10 (if Ellis/Dorsey are off the board), and get a 2nd or 3rd round pick back.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I think its worth taking a shot with Vilma with the 3rd.

[RAZERSAINTS]

I really would love to have Vilma and Rogers

[RAZERSAINTS]

Now that I think about it if The Falcons would take a 2nd and a later pick other than a 3rd I would take Hall for that. But not for a 10th overall. Maybe we trade that pick and drop down lower than give up that pick for hall. He would be better than any CB we could get in the draft.

[Sveen]

That is a possibility, but I just don't see the Falcons trading Hall to a division rival. Rogers and Vilma for our 2nd and 3rd and maybe Samuel in free agency would be good ;)

[RAZERSAINTS]

Yea I agree but I would love to have him. A 24 year old CB with 4 years( I think its 4 right?) expereince. What a great tool to have on our D

[SaintsFanForLife]

Now that I think about it if The Falcons would take a 2nd and a later pick other than a 3rd I would take Hall for that. But not for a 10th overall. Maybe we trade that pick and drop down lower than give up that pick for hall. He would be better than any CB we could get in the draft.

I think that could work we would get more picks with the move down mybe even a first next year and Hall...I would like that..

I like Rogers for a second also...

[Sveen]

I wouldn't be opposed of having him line up on the outside, but either him or Asante Samuel wouldn't be a bad thing :) Anyway, to be realistic. If Ellis or Dorsey doesn't fall to us I think we will take the best available corner at #10. Atleast as of now I see that happening with Leodis McKelvin as the most likely choice.

[SaintsFanForLife]

I really want Keith Rivers with that pick...I dont want to use it on a CB. I am still not sold that any CB this year is worth a top 10 pick......Im glad FA starts in 6 days. Then we can really see what we will do....If we pick up some good LB'rs than maybe pick the CB but I would like to maybe trade down a little than get him....What do you think?

[Sveen]

As I said earlier I would love Shaun Rogers and Jonathan Vilma for our 2nd and 3rd. Then get atleast a LB and CB in free agency. Come Draft Day we trade down from #10 (if Dorsey and Ellis are both taken) and get back a 2nd or 3rd. That way we can get the best CB/LB/DT available with our 1st round selection, and the best available player of the positions above that we did not take in the 1st with our 2nd/3rd.

[SaintsFanForLife]

We do really need rogers. But if dorcey droped that would be great..

Everyone is saying D-MAC will drop out of the top ten.. If he does drop to us I would love to trade the pick to Dallas and get there 2 1st rounders...

Im just ready for this all to be over with so we can make a real run at the superbowl...All we need is a better D and we are in. Our Offence is superbowl ready. IMO