PDA

View Full Version : Packers-Panthers, Week 12


GB12
11-26-2008, 05:00 PM
Just found out today that I'm going. Happy Thanksgiving to me.

TitleTown088
11-26-2008, 06:34 PM
Bastard.

If they lose this one the playoff are " officially" over.

Dr. Gonzo
11-26-2008, 06:38 PM
Bastard.

If they lose this one the playoff are " officially" over.

Nah. I crunched the numbers and you can afford to lose this one. You will just then have to rely on the Vikings and Bears losing some tough matchups down the strench.

EvilMonkey
11-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Nah. I crunched the numbers and you can afford to lose this one. You will just then have to rely on the Vikings and Bears losing some tough matchups down the strench.

yeah, 9-7 could possibly still be good enough. A loss this week makes it almost impossible, but not totally.

ChezPower4
11-26-2008, 11:05 PM
Nah. I crunched the numbers and you can afford to lose this one. You will just then have to rely on the Vikings and Bears losing some tough matchups down the strench.

This would also require us to win all of our remaining games, not going to happen

PACKmanN
11-26-2008, 11:20 PM
Nah. I crunched the numbers and you can afford to lose this one. You will just then have to rely on the Vikings and Bears losing some tough matchups down the strench.

Do you guys have the Cards on your schedule?

Dr. Gonzo
11-26-2008, 11:51 PM
Do you guys have the Cards on your schedule?

Zona week 15, ATL week 16, NYG week 17. ******* Bears and their easy schedule. If we lose to them this week the division is pretty much theirs. I think the only shot the Packers win the division is if we win this weekend as there is a good chance we lose two of the above games. Even if you lose this week and as long as you beat the Bears week 16 you don't need to for sure win out. The Bears have a few games left I could see them losing. No doubt in my mind this is going to be a very tight and entaining finish to the division race.

TitleTown088
11-27-2008, 01:27 PM
You get the giants when their starters could be sitting

Jennings is questionable for this game with a rib injury. Of course.

GB12
11-27-2008, 01:28 PM
You get the giants when their starters could be sitting

Jennings is questionable for this game with a rib injury. Of course.
Do you remember last year? Giants won't rest their starters, especially since they'll have a bye.

TitleTown088
11-27-2008, 01:45 PM
Do you remember last year? Giants won't rest their starters, especially since they'll have a bye.

Weren't the Giants playing for the wildcard down the stretch last season? They're going to go all out the entire game? I hope You're right.

tjsunstein
11-27-2008, 01:52 PM
This game is our season. Kills me to say it but if we lose this game then the playoffs are all but out of sight.

GB12
11-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Weren't the Giants playing for the wildcard down the stretch last season? They're going to go all out the entire game? I hope You're right.
They already had their playoff position locked up for the last game against the Patriots last season.

TitleTown088
11-27-2008, 02:49 PM
They already had their playoff position locked up for the last game against the Patriots last season.

That's right, but come on. They really didn't have a choice there. They couldn't lay down for 16-0 on a nationally televised game.

UK_Cheesehead
11-27-2008, 03:07 PM
Massive game for us, I would go as far as to say it is a must win. If we lose I see us struggling to get playoffs, especially if the Bears win too. We really need the Vikes to do us a favour as I see them losing a few of the tough games already mentioned.

I think we will win though, Panthers are not as good as their record suggests imo and are very hit or miss, fingers crossed they're not the good Panthers this Sunday.

tjsunstein
11-27-2008, 03:28 PM
I think we need to win out honestly.

Dr. Gonzo
11-27-2008, 04:36 PM
I think we will win though, Panthers are not as good as their record suggests imo and are very hit or miss, fingers crossed they're not the good Panthers this Sunday.

Don't tell that to Blindsite.

ChezPower4
11-27-2008, 09:17 PM
Do you remember last year? Giants won't rest their starters, especially since they'll have a bye.

The Giant may not rest their starters but their not going to be playing the whole game, bye or no bye.

UK_Cheesehead
11-28-2008, 05:26 AM
Don't tell that to Blindsite.

He'll realise they aren't that good when they go one and out in the playoffs.

PackerLegend
11-30-2008, 10:29 AM
Well this is pretty much our season. If we lose we still have the slightest of slight chances. If we win we are in the thick of it especially since we get the Bears once more. So I think its more important Minny chokes like normal.

Yatta!
11-30-2008, 10:42 AM
Hopefully the team that played the Bears turns up and not the one that played the Saints.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Hopefully the team that played the Bears turns up and not the one that played the Saints.

We can only hope, Our O-line played great in that game and if they keep up with their trend of Playing great one week and then playing bad the next two we're going to be in a lot of trouble.

jackalope
11-30-2008, 12:05 PM
Woodson is starting at SS with Tramon taking his place.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:06 PM
Woodson is playing safety for us today.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:09 PM
I saw that. weird.

I hate frost.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:13 PM
I saw that. weird.

I hate frost.

We all do, I can't wait for the day to come when we cut him or draft his replacement. Which ever comes first.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Rodgers is looking bad so far. Where has his accuracy gone lately?

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 12:27 PM
We are gonna get smoked on defense today. Woodson at Safety, Collins left the game, and all existing injuries. Bye Bye season if we lose this game.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:28 PM
Rodgers is looking bad so far. Where has his accuracy gone lately?

Maybe it's the cold weather? But like usuall or run d is playing like ****. On all of the outside runs we lose contain and we're not setting the edge to force the runner back to the middle of the field.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 12:29 PM
Rodgers looks fatigued cold and intimidated.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:33 PM
Collins is coming back in they said.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:34 PM
Frost is getting booed by the fans he's so bad.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:36 PM
If Rodgers does not start to play better we're in deep ****.

princefielder28
11-30-2008, 12:43 PM
Rodgers is starting to find a bit of a groove

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 12:46 PM
That Kampman sack was the momentum swing.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:54 PM
Man, I hate the rush defense so much. Why couldnt they have gotten that fumble, damnit.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 12:55 PM
That PI was fairly weak.

Defense blows.

EvilMonkey
11-30-2008, 12:58 PM
alright, after that terrible run and terrible unrecovery of that fumble, i am giving up and rooting for the Jets to give us a higher draft pick...

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 12:58 PM
we have to stop giving up huge plays on defense.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 01:00 PM
I hate watching this team so so much.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 01:18 PM
**** you scott wells. My god.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 01:20 PM
alright, after that terrible run and terrible unrecovery of that fumble, i am giving up and rooting for the Jets to give us a higher draft pick...

We should all be rooting for the Jets in the first place so we can get a higher pick.

Great snap.... just killed all the MO that we had

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 01:25 PM
**** our run d. **** Bob Sanders, they can never step up and make a damn stop when the team really needs it.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 01:30 PM
More injuries too. excellent.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 01:31 PM
We should not be down by 11 at half. Its ridiculous how many costly mistakes we make per game.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 01:31 PM
Is Jeremy Thompson gonna be one of those high ceiling guys thats always injured?

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 01:34 PM
I think wells was yanked for spitz too.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 01:36 PM
Is Jeremy Thompson gonna be one of those high ceiling guys thats always injured?

Like Harrell. And I'm not sold on Thompson what has he done? He's bad against the run and has givin us zero boost in our pass rush so I'm not really seeing where the high ceiling is.

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 01:42 PM
Any chance you guys win this game or is it that bad?

princefielder28
11-30-2008, 01:43 PM
Any chance you guys win this game or is it that bad?

it's pretty bad

bearsfan_51
11-30-2008, 01:45 PM
The Packers should really consider starting Brandon Jackson at RB. Just watching the game you can see him reading holes and hitting them much harder than Grant.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 01:49 PM
The Packers should really consider starting Brandon Jackson at RB. Just watching the game you can see him reading holes and hitting them much harder than Grant.

Jackson has really had his moments this year and has really improved since last year where at times he looked lost and out of place.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 02:07 PM
Im not sure we should start B Jack but I think implementing a two back offense would do wonders.

To anyone looking in on this thread for game updates: It usually isnt as bad as we make it to be because we only voice our displeasure.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:10 PM
Jackson has also had holes

IDK about the interception or not. No irrefutable evidence.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:12 PM
Oh man, they bit nasty on that play action.

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 02:18 PM
Alright 21-21, now TAKE THE LEAD!!!

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 02:19 PM
Great drive by our offense and what a pass break up by College may be the difference in the game.

How but our d coming up huge to get us the ball back while our offense is rolling.

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 02:28 PM
YAA! Go Packers!

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:38 PM
Ah man. Tramon really blew it on that drive.Collins missed help on that though.

sbh15
11-30-2008, 02:38 PM
Wow, great catch by Smith. I wasn't really happy with this game being on tv (nobody on my fantasy team), but it's turning out to be a real good one.

There's a DeAngelo Williams TD... dude's really starting to play well.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 02:39 PM
Our kickoff coverage didn't help us out much as well.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:41 PM
Hopefully Rodgers can keep up his play this drive.

sbh15
11-30-2008, 02:43 PM
Hopefully Rodgers can keep up his play this drive.

Does Aaron Rodgers have a mustache on the left side of your sig? Might be the most hideous thing I've ever seen.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:47 PM
Does Aaron Rodgers have a mustache on the left side of your sig? Might be the most hideous thing I've ever seen.
hideously awesome.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 02:49 PM
Qb sneak here.

sbh15
11-30-2008, 02:53 PM
Packers look like they're leaving too much time on the clock.

... scratch that ...

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Cmon Packers...score

bearsfan_51
11-30-2008, 02:59 PM
**foghorn**

sbh15
11-30-2008, 02:59 PM
Wow... that goalline stand could be HUGE

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 03:00 PM
ehh a FG, lets hope it holds up

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 03:01 PM
Good call on the field goal but our defense has been bad of late in side the last two minutes of games. We need a big stop or force a turnover.

**** our god damn kick coverage.

sbh15
11-30-2008, 03:02 PM
And that's gonna do it. Carolina run game is too good to not score from this range.

dunagan15
11-30-2008, 03:03 PM
wow thats awful

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 03:05 PM
Our defense blows it again, with a chance to win us the game.

jackalope
11-30-2008, 03:17 PM
Another game we should have won. The season's over.

PackerLegend
11-30-2008, 03:18 PM
WE ****ING SUCK.... We choke more then the Vikings and are inconsistent as ****. Our special teams cant return **** anymore and has been letting the other teams have huge returns.

Derrick Frost ****ing blows and should have been cut after the 1st week he signed. He must be blowing Ted for his *** to still be here. Give someone else a try they cant be worse.

^&^^^^^^%#ERRYUOP HKKKKKKKKKKLLLLLLL____

bearsfan_51
11-30-2008, 03:20 PM
As much as I would like to say the Packers season is over, it's not. You have 4 games that are winnable, the most difficult being the Bears on the road. If you win that game you have the tie-breaker over both the Vikings and the Bears, and 9-7 will probably win take the division.

It's obviously not probable to win 4 games in a row, but this is a relatively good position to be in for a 5-7 team.

Boston
11-30-2008, 05:31 PM
I don't know what the **** TT was thinking when he released Jon Ryan for Derrick Frost, but it didn't ******* work.

ChezPower4
11-30-2008, 05:49 PM
As much as I would like to say the Packers season is over, it's not. You have 4 games that are winnable, the most difficult being the Bears on the road. If you win that game you have the tie-breaker over both the Vikings and the Bears, and 9-7 will probably win take the division.

It's obviously not probable to win 4 games in a row, but this is a relatively good position to be in for a 5-7 team.

All those games are winnable but we've lost 3 of our last 4 games and continue to blow games in the fourth quarter. Winning all those games in a row may get us to the playoffs but I find it highly unlikely that we'll win those games.

EvilMonkey
11-30-2008, 06:02 PM
it is getting way too frustrating to watch this team. Play like crap for a half, finally play up to their potential for a bit just to get me a little excited for this team again, then just ******* collapse in the end.

thank you green bay for getting my hopes up before taking a huge dump on my chest.....

GB12
11-30-2008, 07:39 PM
This loss falls on Mike McCarthy. I still can't figure out why the hell we didn't go for it on 4th and 1. That was a no brainer. Yes the field goal puts you up three, but that just leaves it wide open for what happend. You have to go for it. If we get it we're up a touchdown, if we miss they have the ball on the 1 with 2 minutes and 1 timeout. A tie game with them having to go 99 yards would have been much better than a 3 point lead and letting them do that.

Other than us blowing it in the end it was a fun game. Traffic ******* sucked though. I left right after the game and didn't get home until just 25 minutes ago. An hour and 20 minutes up, 3 and half back. Ugh.

tjsunstein
11-30-2008, 08:16 PM
No excuses to lose that game. We had the gameplan just not the execution. I know this probably isnt the time to talk up Tramon Williams but I really like him but like the Cowboys did with TO when we pressed him, they just put Smith in motion and thats when we got killed.

GB12
11-30-2008, 08:19 PM
No excuses to lose that game. We had the gameplan just not the execution. I know this probably isnt the time to talk up Tramon Williams but I really like him but like the Cowboys did with TO when we pressed him, they just put Smith in motion and thats when we got killed.
Tramon Williams has played very well this year, but he had no business being one on one with Steve Smith in that situation. Woodson should have been shadowing Smith on that drive. Another bad coaching decission in this game.

TitleTown088
11-30-2008, 11:49 PM
This loss falls on Mike McCarthy. I still can't figure out why the hell we didn't go for it on 4th and 1. That was a no brainer. Yes the field goal puts you up three, but that just leaves it wide open for what happend. You have to go for it. If we get it we're up a touchdown, if we miss they have the ball on the 1 with 2 minutes and 1 timeout. A tie game with them having to go 99 yards would have been much better than a 3 point lead and letting them do that.


I'm more pissed on why the hell MM ran a FB dive there. Some sort of Bootleg with rodgers would almost have certianly scored.

GB12
11-30-2008, 11:56 PM
I'm more pissed on why the hell MM ran a FB dive there. Some sort of Bootleg with rodgers would almost have certianly scored.
I don't mind giving it Kuhn. We should have tried a sneak for one of those though. I don't think Rodgers has come up short on a sneak all season.

During the whole timeout between 3rd and 4th down Rodgers and the offense was on the field, then at the last second he pulled them and took the FG. Horrible decission. What you read earlier was after I had 3 hours to calm down about it. If I had access to a computer when it happend my choice of words would have been a bit different.

Boston
11-30-2008, 11:59 PM
This loss falls on Mike McCarthy. I still can't figure out why the hell we didn't go for it on 4th and 1. That was a no brainer. Yes the field goal puts you up three, but that just leaves it wide open for what happend. You have to go for it. If we get it we're up a touchdown, if we miss they have the ball on the 1 with 2 minutes and 1 timeout. A tie game with them having to go 99 yards would have been much better than a 3 point lead and letting them do that.

Other than us blowing it in the end it was a fun game. Traffic ******* sucked though. I left right after the game and didn't get home until just 25 minutes ago. An hour and 20 minutes up, 3 and half back. Ugh.

Oh, yeah, I completely agree. It's definately MM's for fault believing the unit we call our 'defense' could go out there and prevent a scoring drive...

The Packers could really use some Cullen right about now.

GB12
12-01-2008, 12:07 AM
Oh, yeah, I completely agree. It's definately MM's for fault believing the unit we call our 'defense' could go out there and prevent a scoring drive...

The Packers could really use some Cullen right about now.
We could have had the Steeler's defense and it still would have been the wrong call. In that situation you have to go for it.

TitleTown088
12-01-2008, 10:20 AM
I don't mind giving it Kuhn. We should have tried a sneak for one of those though. I don't think Rodgers has come up short on a sneak all season.

During the whole timeout between 3rd and 4th down Rodgers and the offense was on the field, then at the last second he pulled them and took the FG. Horrible decission. What you read earlier was after I had 3 hours to calm down about it. If I had access to a computer when it happend my choice of words would have been a bit different.

I'm still ******* Irate about that loss. Biggest choke by the Packers I can remember in awhile.Last year we would have closed that out even with just a FG. That is the difference between the 2007 and the 2008 Packers, not Brett Favre.

UK_Cheesehead
12-01-2008, 10:47 AM
I was gutted after that loss. I hated the call to kick the FG, we gave them the possibility of good to great field position on the kickoff (which is how it worked out), with 2 minutes left and 1 timeout. We should've gone for it, if we make it we don't lose the game in normal time (unless they pull it back and go for 2). If we don't make it they're on there own 1, very tough task to drive 70 yards in FG range to win it, and then there's the possibility of a safety.

Season isn't quite over yet, but we have to win out and rely on other teams.

umphrey
12-01-2008, 12:54 PM
We had to kick that field goal, but at the same time as soon as we did it I expected overtime or a loss. We don't play defense in the 4th quarter apparently.

ChezPower4
12-01-2008, 06:42 PM
We had to kick that field goal, but at the same time as soon as we did it I expected overtime or a loss. We don't play defense in the 4th quarter apparently.

We should have gone for the TD, have you not seen the other leads that our defense has blown this season. If we score and our d ****s up and allows Carolina to score a TD, we don't lose we go to overtime.

umphrey
12-01-2008, 06:51 PM
We should have gone for the TD, have you not seen the other leads that our defense has blown this season. If we score and our d ****s up and allows Carolina to score a TD, we don't lose we go to overtime.

If we score. We got no where on two tries, we had to put points on the board and at least force them to move the football, opens the door for interceptions, mistakes on their part. If it was closer I would maybe change my mind but it was like a yard and a half. Hindsight is 20/20, blame our defense and special teams, not the play call.

RockJock07
12-01-2008, 07:06 PM
I was at the game sitting in the endzone that featured that goalline stand and I honestly thought that MM was going to go for it. I was VERY surprised they didn't. MM is getting the rap that he's way to conservative in pressure situations and in others he's to aggressive. The problem for him is that is defense is not allowing for to many mistakes on offense.

BTW, Kampmann leads the packers in sacks, 2nd place is Cullen Jenkins who hasn't played in 2 months. There is no pass rush what so ever, must find it in the offseason. This draft is stacked with O-line, D-line, and LB's, no reason why TT can't find a starter with our pick and the Jets.

Also, I hope TT goes after Julius Peppers, that guy is sick.

princefielder28
12-01-2008, 07:08 PM
I was at the game sitting in the endzone that featured that goalline stand and I honestly thought that MM was going to go for it. I was VERY surprised they didn't. MM is getting the rap that he's way to conservative in pressure situations and in others he's to aggressive. The problem for him is that is defense is not allowing for to many mistakes on offense.

BTW, Kampmann leads the packers in sacks, 2nd place is Cullen Jenkins who hasn't played in 2 months. There is no pass rush what so ever, must find it in the offseason. This draft is stacked with O-line, D-line, and LB's, no reason why TT can't find a starter with our pick and the Jets.

Also, I hope TT goes after Julius Peppers, that guy is sick.

In general MM is far too conservative and he has cost him more times than not

TitleTown088
12-01-2008, 07:43 PM
I'm not sure I'd call MM conservative in general. He's gone for some 4th downs many other coaches would never consider. But yes, he has had some plays that "cost" the team but who's to say they would have turned out otherwise?

GB12
12-01-2008, 09:19 PM
If we score. We got no where on two tries, we had to put points on the board and at least force them to move the football, opens the door for interceptions, mistakes on their part. If it was closer I would maybe change my mind but it was like a yard and a half. Hindsight is 20/20, blame our defense and special teams, not the play call.If we don't score they have to go 70 yards in 2 minutes with 1 timeout. Not to mention their playbook would be limited because they were on the 1 yard line. Yeah hindsight is 20/20, but it was 20/20 at the time of the call too. I was so pissed when he pulled our offense off the field to kick. Horrible decission. Worst call McCarthy has ever made.

ChezPower4
12-02-2008, 10:29 AM
If we score. We got no where on two tries, we had to put points on the board and at least force them to move the football, opens the door for interceptions, mistakes on their part. If it was closer I would maybe change my mind but it was like a yard and a half. Hindsight is 20/20, blame our defense and special teams, not the play call.

If we don't make it then, they're on the one and have to very carefull not to give up a saftey and give us the lead and the ball inside of two minutes. At that point the Panthers main focus is to get a first down and out of the shadow of their own goal post, then secondly trying to score. If we had failed to score I really feel that we would have gone into over time.